Stay

This week, Captain and Wilson discuss the 2005 psychological thriller "Stay," directed by Marc Forster! It stars Ewan McGregor, Ryan Gosling, and Naomi Watts.

One Letterboxd review said this is "Mulholland Drive" for boys(???).

Transcript

evil’s Tramping Ground Legend

Wilson 0:17

Okay, so what what do you got?

Captain 0:19

Okay, there's um the devil's tramp tramping wow, tramping ground. Um anyway, the devil's tramping ground is like this mysterious 40-foot barren circle in Bear Creek, North Carolina. Um, and legend claims the devil walks, creating a desolate vegetation-free ring. And it literally is like this random 40 feet circle um in the woods. Technically it's on private property, but you can go visit it. Um but like it's just naturally like this.

Wilson 0:57

So nobody nobody knows.

Captain 0:59

Like Well, I don't know if so again, it's on private property, so like I don't know if the guy like or the person that owns this, like, doesn't want to pay for getting it tested or whatever, but I have seen online that people assume like scientific theory would say that it's probably just like um a salt, like an old like a salt, a naturally high salt density earth spot. What do you call this?

Wilson 1:30

Yeah, like I mean uh I just it's interesting that the first guess is oh, clearly the devil's walking in a circle right here.

Captain 1:40

Yeah, I don't know. That's a legend. That's probably you know, older than science itself. High soil salinity or magnetic anomalies. People visit. People actually like pay money to go there. You can like pay money to stay overnight.

Wilson 1:56

I mean, it's smart of the property owner to do that, but like I'm not gonna go pay to look at a patch of grass or like ground that's not.

Captain 2:02

Patchless, yeah.

Wilson 2:04

Patchless, yeah.

Captain 2:05

A spot of dirt. Um, I just think it's interesting. Apparently the other thing.

Wilson 2:10

How did you find out about it?

Captain 2:11

Uh I don't know. It just came up on like TikTok or something. Um apparently it was first written about in the early 1900s, I guess. And it's even mentioned in two horror novels. I don't we're like not that far from North Carolina, but kinda.

Wilson 2:29

I would never.

Captain 2:32

I would never go to North Carolina without like going to the water, you know. Where is this?

Wilson 2:38

Like, where is Greensboro's a pretty I think it's a Greensboro. That's a pretty popular area. What did I look at?

Captain 2:48

I thought it said Bear Creek. Nobody knows.

Wilson 2:52

Nobody knows. Um you are right. It does say Bear Creek. Where the hell did I see Greensboro? Oh. Oh, it was somebody wrote about it from Greensboro.

Captain 3:06

Dude, this is like in North Carolina, like far away from the O'Shaughn.

Wilson 3:12

Well, yeah, then I guess this makes sense. People need something to look at.

Captain 3:17

Something over there somewhere for something. Yep. It's like uh, you know, all they got is this in the bowling alley.

Wilson 3:27

That's right next door, actually.

Captain 3:30

Um yeah, I don't know. I just fun random story. We'll have more to say next episode.

Wilson 3:37

Oh, yeah. I'm excited about our uh discussion next time. Uh do you want to pop into the Yeah.

Captain 3:45

Yeah, that's all right. So what did we say we're this is the most exciting movie to talk about?

Wilson 3:55

No. No. But let's find

elcome And Movie Pick

Wilson 3:58

out. Um welcome to the 188th episode of the Red Rum Podcast, where we review horror movies while enjoying an adult beverage or two.

Captain 4:06

And I'm Captain.

Wilson 4:08

And I'm Wilson, and this week we're reviewing the 2005 American psychological thriller Stay. Um this was directed by Mark Forster. Um he was known for Quantum of Solace, World War Z, um, also Monsters Ball, Finding Neverland, Stranger Than Fiction, and Christopher Robin. I guess I I wasn't aware of that being a movie. I think it is I just thought it was a movie. It is, yeah. I just clicked on it.

Captain 4:36

He did um Hand of God with Ron Pearlman, and that was like a really fun show. I think I've talked about it on the podcast before, where he's like playing a judge that basically like hears God speak to him. He's like a very um, you know, like science-based, law abiding uh like he's not religious at all in the show, but then all like the in the first episode or something, like got got he hears God speak to him and he's like trying to decipher if he's if if his whole worldview is a lie, or you know, like God is real or uh like he's going crazy.

Wilson 5:13

Okay. It's always those types of characters.

Captain 5:18

It was cool seeing him in person and being like, wow, it's him. Um but yeah, I don't really I did see I did actually I did see Quantum Solace in World War Z, but I haven't seen the other ones.

Wilson 5:32

Quantum of Souls was like just okay. World War Z, I think was good.

Captain 5:37

World War Z is like very action-packed.

Wilson 5:40

Yeah. I see he also did um A Man Called Otto. I did not watch that, but it seems to be very popular with the um Boomer age group. At least my parents raved about it.

Captain 5:52

I mean, isn't it isn't that like what the movie's about, I thought. I I guess the person going through that change of life. I I didn't see it either.

Wilson 6:03

Yeah, I don't know.

Captain 6:04

I could be totally wrong.

Wilson 6:06

They're probably right. I I it's all we need to know, probably.

Captain 6:10

I mean, I don't even like watch trailers. I don't know why I'm saying this. Like I don't know.

Wilson 6:14

Well, which reminds me, if I see the trailer for um what is it, Ready or Not 2 One More Time. I like I'm just not gonna watch the movie.

Captain 6:28

It's giving I just like you're promoting too much, like it might not be good, but yeah, it's just it's always the same trailer. Hmm.

Wilson 6:41

Is that the right name? Okay, yeah, because I feel like there's there's like two movies that have very similar names, so I wonder what other movie I'm thinking of. I don't know. Doesn't matter.

ast Rundown And Tangents

Wilson 6:53

Um The cast. Like you mentioned earlier, a lot of people, a lot of famous people, some that you know became much more famous over time. Um, but all these seem like they've been around for a while. Um Ewan McGregor was the main character. Um, Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Star Wars prequel, it's in Moulin Rouge, um, Angels and Demons, um, Dr. Sleep. Uh I don't know. You've seen him in everything.

Captain 7:24

Yeah, I was like, why where do I recognize him mostly from? It's probably Doctor Sleep. Yeah. And he was in Fargo, but that was from like a long time ago.

Wilson 7:32

And I think he got famous for train spotting. I haven't seen that.

Captain 7:36

But what the hell is that?

Wilson 7:38

I I my understanding is it's like a fucked up drug movie. Um perfect. But I could be a little bit wrong there. Uh we also have Na Naomi Walt. Sorry, Naomi Watts. Um she uh she appears in so many of the movies we do, especially in like the early 2000s. Just like she's she's always popping up. I feel like we've seen her so many times.

Captain 8:03

Yeah, was she in the children of core movie that we No no, that was that was number four. We didn't do that one. But we did do Maholland Drive, and we did do the ring.

Wilson 8:15

Yep.

Captain 8:16

Um, she's in Twin Twin Peaks.

Wilson 8:20

Oh, the revival, yeah. That was fine. Um I wanted to look up what else she's in that we've done because I swear there are more on here.

Captain 8:32

I think you're right, but I couldn't. I I dude, there's so much cast. I was like, I can't go through everything.

Wilson 8:39

No, that's fair. I just there's one that's like sticking out in my head, but it's not Maholland Drive. No, I could have sworn it was like case 39. Was that her? Or is that some other blonde?

Captain 8:51

Case 39. He's I think we did that. Oh, where she was a social worker or something?

Wilson 8:56

I think so. No, that was Renee Zellwiger. That's why.

Captain 9:01

They're basically the same.

Wilson 9:03

Yeah. Um, okay, so we also have Ryan Gosling. I mean, uh yeah, I mean, everyone, you know who he is.

Captain 9:09

Yeah, but this was his first movie role, I think.

Wilson 9:13

Really?

Captain 9:14

Yeah, he was in Disney Channel stuff and like Goosebumps, Narre Afraid of the Dark Dark, but oh no, sorry. He did do Remember the Titans in tw 2000. But this was one of his this was one of his main early movies.

Wilson 9:28

Okay.

Captain 9:29

In 2004, oh, never mind. He did the notebook in 2004. Why would he do this movie in 2005? Like, why would you do it?

Wilson 9:39

Money, I don't know.

Captain 9:40

This movie sucks. Okay.

Wilson 9:42

Um oh, I see you have it in your project Hail Mary coming soon. Did you buy tickets for it yet?

Captain 9:47

No. I'm like, okay, the book's so good. The book is so good. I'm like nervous that the movie How can the movie possibly live up to the book?

Wilson 9:56

It's apparently doing well so far. We're seeing it on Wednesday.

Captain 9:59

Really? Okay.

Wilson 10:00

Yeah. Well I mean by the time this episode comes out, the movie will be long out.

Captain 10:05

Did you actually you read the book, right?

Wilson 10:07

Yeah.

Captain 10:08

Okay.

Wilson 10:08

I don't remember too much, but yeah. It was like a COVID book. I was like, read it in like 2021.

Captain 10:14

Oh, I like loved that book. Um yeah, I would um let me know. Well, I guess you don't remember how it compares to the book. Somebody else I know is reading um the book or has read the book for a different book club that they're in, and then they were gonna go see the movie. So they'll be able to tell me how it compares. But they were like, the book's so good. I was like, I know, right?

Wilson 10:41

Uh yeah, if I had more time, maybe I would reread the book first, but I don't, we're not doing that. Um, okay, so then we have Bob Hoskins. Who the hell is Bob? Oh, okay. He's one of those faces where like I feel like you don't know his name, but you see him in a lot of things.

Captain 10:58

Yeah, he's in a lot of stuff, yeah. But he has a bat he has a BAFTA and a Goldman Globe and a Keynes Festival Award.

Wilson 11:04

Damn. So what is he what's he most known for?

Captain 11:09

Um, I mean, says that was for his role in Mona Lisa, but that was in the 80s. I don't know anything about that movie.

Wilson 11:18

Um, he's he passed away? Oh, damn.

Captain 11:23

Wait, really?

Wilson 11:24

Yeah. Like twelve years ago.

Captain 11:27

Twelve years ago? Why do I feel like I've seen him in stuff?

Wilson 11:31

Yeah, is this not who I think it is? I don't know. Damn. Okay.

Captain 11:39

This is the guy that plays Leon.

Wilson 11:42

Dr. Leon. Oh, yep. Okay, now I remember. Um Alright, then we also have Janine Groffalo. I think that's how you say her name.

Captain 11:52

That sounds right.

Wilson 11:53

She uh I first saw her in uh damn, the fake superhero movie. What was that? What was that called?

Captain 12:02

I don't recognize her. Like I know who she was in this movie, like Beth, but a fake superhero? How would I know? It's not written here. I don't know.

Wilson 12:14

Mystery Men. That is a good movie, at least from what I recall.

Captain 12:18

How long ago did you see it?

Wilson 12:20

I mean, I was younger. Yeah, but yeah. It's a superhero comedy. I mean, what? Has Hank Azaria, uh, William H. Macy, Kel Mitchell. It has Benjamin Stiller.

Captain 12:31

I was like, yeah, that should be the first name you mention. Listen, this is a 59%.

Wilson 12:37

Uh, that's not I mean, that's not that bad.

Captain 12:41

Okay.

Wilson 12:42

Anyway, um, yeah, she's in the cable guy. Uh, I feel like she's most known for Wet Hot American Summer. Could be wrong. Um West Wing, Ratatouille, still have not seen that. I'm so sorry.

Captain 12:54

So sorry. You're you should be denied from ever watching another movie.

Wilson 13:03

Uh we also have Elizabeth Reeser. Um, I think she's most known for Twilight.

Captain 13:08

I would assume she's most known for Twilight.

Wilson 13:10

She uh she plays Edward's mom. Um she was in Ouija Origin of Evil.

Captain 13:15

Is that Isma? Is that how you say that? Or no? Esma? Esma. Esme.

Wilson 13:21

Esme. Um I think in Ouija she played the mother of uh oh yeah, okay. Lulu Wilson. I just thought they looked very they cast that well.

Captain 13:34

Did we do oh yeah, she does look like Lulu. Um did we do Ouija for the I'm mixing Ouija up with that mirror movie, that mirror that can make you Oh yeah.

Wilson 13:46

Uh damn, was that also uh Oculus?

Captain 13:49

Oculus.

Wilson 13:50

Um we did oh we did do this Ouija movie.

Captain 13:56

It had to be a long time ago because I don't remember it at all.

Wilson 13:59

Do you want to take a guess?

Captain 14:01

Oh 50.

Wilson 14:03

You're close, it was 62.

Captain 14:05

Oh wow.

Wilson 14:06

Um we did not do Oculus, but I remember we saw that in college.

Captain 14:09

When was I know I still it's like very vivid in my head? I don't know why. Um when did we do Mahal and Drive for um Naomi? Was that I'm gonna say like 130. No. Uh yeah, let's do 130.

Wilson 14:22

Um I spelled it wrong. It was 133. Winner. Look at her. Um okay. Uh sorry, I got distracted looking up who was in Oculus. Oh, that was Karen Gillam. Okay, okay, sorry. Um she's also in the Haunting and Pillow House. Excellent job. Also casting very well there, too. Was that also was the young her? Did they that also sorry? I need to use my words.

Captain 14:54

The casting in that was really well, but I don't remember who the young her was.

Wilson 14:58

It was looks like it was also Lulu Wilson.

Captain 15:01

Oh, well, makes sense.

Wilson 15:02

Okay, well, yep, sure does. Um okay. I what were you just talking about? Is that so BDY? Is there any chance who did Ouija? I'm I'm just thinking like that wasn't like Flanagan, was it? Oh yes, uh yeah.

Captain 15:20

Uh I don't think so. Mike's about that.

Wilson 15:24

He did Oculus, though.

Captain 15:26

That's crazy. I would have never never thought that.

Wilson 15:30

Okay. Um Rabbit Hole over. Uh BD Wong. Um, I think he's most known for Jurassic Park. He was like the one scientist.

Captain 15:40

That's rude. He's mostly known for SVU.

Wilson 15:44

Oh, it's I don't watch SVU.

Captain 15:47

Okay, well, he's really good in there.

Wilson 15:48

So is he like he's like a main character?

Captain 15:51

Um yeah, he's like the um psychiatrist that like bring on cases for kids that are, you know, part of the special victims unit. But he's in like I he's not in all the episodes, but I would say he's in like, I don't know, a third of them.

Wilson 16:06

I guess I thought Law and Order was I just assumed it was always dead people, but I guess it could just be anyone.

Captain 16:12

Oh, especially I would say most of the time it's like somebody's alive and they're trying to help, I don't know, do something for their case.

Wilson 16:23

That sounds good.

Captain 16:25

Um I will never r forget this crazy episode. I don't know why this has been stuck in my head for like I don't know, 15 years now, but I remember this episode where um this guy was being um charged with like uh assaulting his um partner his female partner, and I don't remember they were like engaged or girlfriend or whatever, but um she I I guess she was pregnant and like because of the domestic violence, like she lost the baby. But what's crazy is like um a neighbor like uh reported it and brought the case. I guess like they charged him with a case, and she kept being like, No, I don't wanna, I don't wanna press charges, like you know, very, you know, like you know, they were trying to be like, no, you should, like, you don't want to get stuck in a cycle of domestic violence. Anyway, um, we come to find out at the end of the episode that when the neighbor hears her saying like um, like, like stop and like don't, like she was screaming that, um, the come to find out at the end that she actually was like didn't want the baby or like the baby wasn't his or something, and like she didn't want to tell tell anybody that, but she was like, No, I wasn't screaming like stop and don't. I was screaming, don't stop. And I was like, What? That's crazy. Like, I just remember being like uh mine balone that like I don't know. I was just like, I don't know, for some reason always stuck in my head. They would write some crazy episodes for that show. And Justin Justin Bieber was in an episode once and they like promoted the shit out of that.

Wilson 18:02

Damn, who though probably has not been in either a law in order or a CSI episode?

Captain 18:07

Oh, like pretty much everybody. It's like a it's like a intro to Hollywood.

Wilson 18:14

I see. I was not a law in order person, I was a CSI person, but I guess you could be both.

Captain 18:20

I guess, but I was big, big Law and Order for a while. It was always on.

Wilson 18:24

Yeah. So was CSI. True. Um, all right, so uh that was BD Wong. That was BD Wong. Yeah, that was BD Wong. Then we have Kate Burton. Um, she played Meredith's mom in Grey's Anatomy. I did not notice she was in this movie.

Captain 18:41

She's barely in this movie.

Wilson 18:43

I I will say there's like a five to ten minute span in this movie. I did fall asleep, and I think it was right there. Yeah. Because when I like woke up, I remember some conversation about like I talked to your mother, and I was like, I don't remember that.

Captain 18:57

Um anyway, uh it's a very weird scene, and it doesn't it doesn't go on for very long, so you're fine.

Wilson 19:07

Okay. Um we have Amy Sedaris. She pops up in everything, and I always hear her voice before I see her, and I'm like, that has to be Amy Sederis. Um but you know, she was in Kimmy Schmidt, Bojack Horseman. Um uh she's in a lot.

Captain 19:23

I mean Is she in this movie for a lot?

Wilson 19:26

I don't even remember where she I think so, but I just maybe she stands out to me. I just like I just hear her voice and know it. I don't know.

Captain 19:35

Yeah, I just don't really remember her role in this.

Wilson 19:37

Because like she was it elf I saw recently. She plays a secretary a lot. Like, very often.

Captain 19:44

Typecast.

Wilson 19:46

Yeah. Um okay, then we have Isaac Debancole. Uh probably not saying that right. Um, he's in Black Panther and the Brutalist. Okay, I see. Um, and then Mark Margolis. Um, I did recognize him. I I think I forgot his name, but he played Hector Salamanca in Breaking Bad, the um Tito, the uncle in the chair. Yeah, yeah.

Captain 20:16

Um I never knew his real name.

Wilson 20:18

Yeah. I whenever I see that name, I think of was it Miriam Margolis? Is that what I'm thinking of?

Captain 20:25

Sure. I I don't know.

Wilson 20:27

Oh, the um, she's from Harry Potter. Uh yeah.

Captain 20:32

I feel like he's this guy's mostly known for his role in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, though.

Wilson 20:36

Yeah, I would agree. Uh looks like he was also in Ace Ventura Scarface. Ace Ventura, we watched that recently, and it does not um does not age well. At least the first one doesn't.

Captain 20:52

Okay. All right. That's that's like way more than we needed, to be honest.

Wilson 20:56

Yeah, that was uh an extensive cast.

lot Setup And Suicide Deadline

Wilson 20:59

Um so I guess we can jump into this this movie. Um I will also preface since I fell asleep for roughly 10 minutes of this movie, um it I know the movie was inherently confusing. It made it much more confusing. And I wasn't sure if did I miss a lot, or is the movie just confusing?

Captain 21:20

Pretty sure. I mean you you might have missed up, but the movie's just genuinely confusing. Honestly, like okay, I so supposedly that's like it's shot that way purposefully, like to be disjointed. But I'm like, I don't know if we needed it. This just don't, I'm gonna be honest. Like, we put it together a little bit more, please.

Wilson 21:41

Like one of the reviews I saw said it's molehole and drive for the boys. I was like, I mean, I thought I didn't know molehole and drive was for for girls, but um this is like I feel like objectively worse. Yeah. I feel like they shot really hot. Like they there were a lot of things they tried to do or wanted to do, but it just didn't pan out. And like there were a lot of weird scene transitions and like wispies. Um, so I'm gonna try to kind of walk through this and make it engaging, but it's um probably not gonna make a lot of sense. Um yeah. Do your best. The movie starts off, Brian Gosling's character is like or you see like rolling on the ground, and you realize he was in a car accident on the Brooklyn Bridge. Um and it was like, okay, that's a weird way to start a movie, and he just like gets up and walks off.

Captain 22:47

Yeah, they do a lot of these like scene changes where like something moving in one scene will blend bleed into creating the next scene.

Wilson 22:55

So there are a lot of like in-depth scene transitions. Another review said like they spent so so much money on scene transitions and then nothing else.

Captain 23:06

Um I could I mean, I get it. I definitely get that. I mean it's cool, but it's we didn't I again I think it's supposed to like when the end of the movie's there, you're like I think it's supposed to like add to that, but whatever.

Wilson 23:18

Yeah. So um we meet Ewan McGregor's character Sam Foster, he's a psychiatrist, and his fiance, or maybe about to be, because I think he also has a ring at some point. Um, Lila, who's played by Naomi Watts.

Captain 23:33

Well Wilson, a ring at some point? It's like a main platform.

Wilson 23:37

Well, you know, because then I get confused about something that happens later in the movie, and I'm like, early on, I got the impression they weren't like engaged yet.

Captain 23:47

I he's in preparation to propose.

Wilson 23:50

Okay, so this synopsis that we were provided should not say fiance just to to be, yes. To be fiancé. Um so Sam gets a new patient, Henry, the guy Ryan Gosselin's character from the beginning, but we don't know a time frame at this point. We don't like know like when things happened yet. Um so basically, Ryan Gossel's character, Henry, he's a college student, an aspiring artist, and he comes in to see a psychiatrist, and his normal one is gone, and he's given Henry, and he's a little apprehensive about it. Um and you know, they have some like good dialogue, but I think um uh what's his face? Henry ends up leaving early because he doesn't want to like meet with him. Um but they do end up meeting again, and I think this is where Henry's like, I'm gonna commit suicide in three days, like Saturday at midnight. Um, but I'm down to talk about it.

Captain 24:49

Yeah, Henry's but until then. Their first interaction, Henry's just genuinely kind of just kind of weird. Like, he doesn't like I mean, I get it. He's talking to a doctor who's never talked to before. He doesn't want to like um I don't know, get too deep. But then he also says, like, it's a beautiful day, and he's like, Oh, it's gonna hail later, and then it does hail later, so then Dr. Sam's like really weirded out about that. Um, you know, when he tries to call Beth a bunch of times that night or the next day or whatever, and he Beth he said Beth won't answer, I'm like, oh my god, Henry killed her. That was my first thought. That was my first thought. Um, because he makes reference to like killing people or being guilty in that first scene. Yeah. Um, but that doesn't pan out that way. Um yeah, and I think I think you're right. Like shortly after that. Oh, he also talked about how it's oh yeah, he's gonna kill himself on his 21st birthday. Um and he Sam mentions to him, like, well, you must have people in your life that care about you, and he was like, No, my parents are dead. And he said, The only person that's ever meant anything to me in my life was this waitress that I used to order coffee from, and I was gonna propose to her, but it didn't I was gonna marry her, but it didn't work out. Um so that's like set up for for later, yeah, for things.

Wilson 26:15

So at one point, um Sam, the psychiatrist, is meeting um with uh who's this guy in relation to him again? Leon, it's just his friend. Okay, Leon, who's blind. They're like playing chess, and then um Henry shows up and he's like he recognized um Leon and he get you get this like really shocked reaction and he runs out, um, and nobody's sure why.

Captain 26:46

Well Henry does say you don't remember that? Henry says, Oh, well, surely maybe it was after I think it was after that he could be wrong. That was that was my dead dad. I watched him die.

Wilson 27:00

Yeah.

Captain 27:01

And Sam is like, that's not your dad. I've known I've known Leanne a long time. He does not have children. Um so I don't know. Um I the everyone in this scene is very uh affirmed in their belief. Like he's 100% that's my dad, and he's like, it's definitely not your dad.

Wilson 27:24

Um yeah, and um going back to what you said earlier where Henry claimed that his parents were dead, um, Sam does find Henry's mom, um, and also I guess his dog or her dog. Uh but I guess I don't know, she wasn't really engaging, and this is where I kind of fell asleep.

Captain 27:47

Yeah, the scene with his mom is really confusing because he basically, like, um it's like he finds the house that Henry's supposed to be living in, and he rings, he walks up to the house empty, he rings the doorbell, and then all of a sudden a bench to the left of him appears with a woman, and she's like, I've been waiting for you. And he's like, Uh, okay. And then he's like trying to ask her questions about Henry, but she basically is just perceiving him as Henry. So she's like, It's so nice to have you back in the house. Like, I don't even know if our dog will recognize you, and he's like trying to like appease her just so she doesn't like go crazy that he's like saying, I'm not Henry. Like he tries to a little bit, but he's basically just trying to get answers about like why is Henry lying that you exist, or like what is going on, but she's also just as I can't even explain. It's like she's living in a different reality than what Sam's living in. Um so it the scene is very weird, it's very dreamlike. Um it doesn't really pan out to anything. That you also uh I think right before this, you get the conversation between Sam and his girlfriend about how she uh wanted to talk to she wants to talk to Henry because she's tried to commit suicide before and she was like, I feel like I could get through to him. Um she's like, why the fuck would you talk to like doctor patient confidentiality? Like, why would you talk why would you be allowed to talk to this man's patient? Like that's so weird. Um why would you even want to talk to him?

Wilson 29:28

Yeah.

Captain 29:29

But um, I don't know. It she just it was kind of like uh uh like more detail into suicide than probably necessary or apparently the UK version of this movie when it came out, they like trimmed that. They like muted a lot of that scene. Oh yeah, it's like because you get like a different rating, I guess. Um they muted it or they're like I f I I don't know, they like trimmed it or like something. But yeah, yeah. Um oh also at the end of that scene with his mom, well, with Henry's mom, uh the dog bites Sam like badly, like he his arm's like really uh damaged. So you see him at a clinic immediately after, and then a cop's interviewing him about a report. Did you wake up at this point yet?

Wilson 30:26

Um I don't remember the cop part, but I do remember the next scene.

Captain 30:33

You remember the so apparently the cops like I I know that lady. What's her name? Mrs. Letham. And he was like, I went to her funeral a couple a couple months ago, like she's dead. Um, she's deaf dead, like she died in a car accident. Um, so whoever was in that house, like it's not her. And he was like, no, she introduced herself as Mrs. Letham. Like, that's definitely her. Like, Sam, Sam thinks this guy's lying. I'm like, he said he's lived here his whole life and that he went to school with her. Like, how what? Um so this is where the movie started.

Wilson 31:11

Like,

eality Glitches And Missing Henry

Wilson 31:12

let's say, for example, Sam is like walking, I I think it was like outside of an apartment or into an apartment, and the shines keep flipping.

Captain 31:21

It keeps repeating, like uh repeating like a five-second scene.

Wilson 31:24

Yeah, but it's like his clothes keep changing or something like that.

Captain 31:27

Oh. Oh, I guess they did. I didn't really notice that detail, but sure.

Wilson 31:35

Okay. Well, anyway, that's where I was like, uh, okay, you're losing me.

Captain 31:38

Uh there were there were a bunch of those. Um the movie gets really I mean, if it wasn't already off the rails, it gets like really off the rails. Sam, like basically Henry goes missing. Sam like spends all night looking for him or multiple days. He's like not sleeping, and then he does find this waitress that um Henry said that he loved, right?

Wilson 31:59

Athena.

Captain 32:00

In an acting class. She doesn't really have a lot to offer though, right? Like, what does she really say? Like she remembers Henry, but uh it doesn't sound like she cares about it. Nothing helpful. Um and I think I I don't so I I'm really confused by the last like 20 maybe not like 10 minutes before the reveal. But like okay, Lila, his wife, Naomi Watts, is a art teacher, right?

Wilson 32:40

I don't know. I knew she was related to art.

Captain 32:44

Well, I'm confused because she's like painting or she has student paintings, and she so like it's flipping between her and Sam. So Sam's like constantly looking for Henry because he doesn't want him to kill himself at on midnight on his birthday, right? So he's like out in the streets looking for him. His scenes are real like really weird, like dreamy, they don't make a lot of sense. And then when it's flipping to her though, she has these paintings in her home that she's like looking at, and then she realizes on the back of the paintings it just says Henry Letham on all of them. And she's like like she has this big reveal moment. And I was like, girl, what does that reveal to you? I don't understand. Like, I have no idea.

Wilson 33:26

Like an audience reveal, but not a character reveal.

Captain 33:29

Like, yeah, like to her, that wouldn't make any I don't think he even told her the guy's name. Like, I'm even if she did, what would it matter if she had his paintings? Like, what I what am I supposed to do with that? I I was so confused. And then she's like running through the streets trying to find her husband or her boyfriend. And I'm like, what do you po what what I can't even imagine what you have to say to Sam right now. That was so shocking. Like, I I couldn't I I have I was like, what detail am I missing? Was I like does that make any sense?

Wilson 34:03

Yeah, the last like I don't know.

Captain 34:06

Somehow they both find each other on the top of the Brookham Bridge Bridge as like um, you know, Henry's gonna kill himself. I thought he said he was gonna jump off the bridge, but then he has a gun. So like I don't know.

Wilson 34:18

Just options, you know?

Captain 34:20

Gotta keep the options open. Yeah. It was like very it's so so confusing. Um but I I guess he does end up actually killing himself.

Wilson 34:35

Yeah, but this is where all like the weird swirly lights are appearing. I don't know, it's supposed to represent like reality is just all wonky, but yeah, so it looks weird.

ridge Climax And Big Reveal

Captain 34:48

It's revealed that the car crash in the first scene was actually like the only thing that really happened in real life, and Henry's fatally wounded, and in his last moments, he's like having this long, dreamlike state. And basically, everybody that you meet in the movie, like the his parents, well, the people he thinks are his parents, um, Dr. Foster, yeah, Sam, Naomi, like none of them actually are who the characters were in the movie. They're just random people that either observed the accident or reported the accident, or are they watching Henry like basically bleed out? Like he survived this car accident, but he is about to die. So it's like it's like almost like not his life flashing before his eyes, but like life's he's made in his head flashing before his eyes in his last moments. And I'm like, okay. I don't understand why I've read multiple things online that this is like he's suffering from survivor's guilt, and I'm like, from the active accident that just happened right now, like I'm confused. Or is there like so he's it sounds like his parents died in a car accident, but I'm like, was it this accident that just happened at the beginning of the movie? Or is it an accident that happened when he was a kid and he's dealing with he's been he's been dealing with survivor's guilt from like when he was younger? Does that do you know?

Wilson 36:16

Uh I don't know. I yeah, I'm not I couldn't say.

Captain 36:22

I it says he's suffering from survivor's guilt, and I'm like, okay, but he's about to not survive this.

Wilson 36:30

I mean, is it maybe just in the dream he's surv suffering from survivor's guilt? Like he still thinks as he's dying that it's like kind of real? I don't know.

Captain 36:40

I don't know. I'm just like survivor's guilt for the 10 minutes that you survived and then didn't? Like, I don't know. You're bleeding out! I I I just I'm so confused. So anyway, what Sam and Naomi don't even or Sam and Lila don't even know each other, right? They're just like two people that are trying to help him. She's like actually a nurse in real life, and I think he is a doctor. Like I think his job was.

Wilson 37:08

I think he did say, yeah, he did say he was a doctor.

Captain 37:11

Um and yeah, like Beth is there, she's the one that called the accident in. Um, like his first psychiatrist, and Leon is there. Oh my god, Wilson, what was that scene where he like hugs or like grabs Leon and makes him not blind anymore?

Wilson 37:31

I don't know what that was about.

Captain 37:32

The fuck was that? I I don't even know. I don't even know what I'm watching. What is this? He's like, he's like, I I bl I forgive you, dad, or or I love you and I'm sorry I killed you or something. And I'm like, and then he hugs him and then he's not blind, and I'm like, and then Leon goes to confirm he's not blind anymore by seeing Sam Later, not when Henry's there, and is like, Oh, I didn't know you had brown eyes or something, and I'm like, What? What is happening? Who wrote this? I'm so confused.

Wilson 38:08

Did Mark write this and direct this? Uh oh no. Um the guy who one of the um D from uh from uh Game of Thrones, one of the people that tanked the like the last season.

Captain 38:24

Jesus Christ. Yeah. I I don't know what David Benioff. Well, David, pour one out. Okay?

Wilson 38:33

Poor one out.

Captain 38:36

Um yeah, like the during the scenes when Sam's looking for Henry, there'll be flashes of what Henry's doing on the streets while Sam can't find him. Yeah, and one of them is him making Leah not blind, and then there's like the whole bookstore scene where that's where um Hector Salamanca comes in, but none of those scenes are really that important. They're basically just like where Henry is not. Like he goes, he spends all night looking for a diner on a street, and there's like 50 diners on that street. Yeah what I mean. I guess he finds Athena, a friend of Athena, or eventually, but I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing with all of this. It's very, it's almost giving like a really bad what's the guy that does um the ping pong movie and um that Adam Sandler movie where it's just like Wait, like Balls of Fury? No, no. The the recent one with Timmy.

Wilson 39:36

Oh, Marty Supreme.

Captain 39:37

Yeah, like Marty Supreme, and what's that other one where it's like Adam Sandler just taking L after L?

Wilson 39:42

Oh, Uncut Gems. It was a Safty brother.

Captain 39:44

Safty, yeah. Like it's almost like Safty, but like really bad. Like not even executed well, where it's just like a guy kind of going through life motions that are just like not good or fun. And I'm just like, what am I supposed to be doing with this? Yeah. At least Safty, like, there's like tension building or something. I I don't know. Um yeah, I just I don't know.

Wilson 40:12

It wasn't good.

Captain 40:14

It wasn't good.

Wilson 40:15

I entered that and I was like, what the hell did I just watch?

Captain 40:19

Yeah. Oh, at the very last part of the movie, after Henry dies, um Sam does ask Glayla out for coffee. So maybe they will get together.

Wilson 40:30

Doesn't a dying Henry get to see that happen?

Captain 40:34

Does he?

Wilson 40:35

I feel like is that like the last thing he saw? Maybe not.

Captain 40:38

As he's dying below them, they're like, Oh, you want to grab coffee?

Wilson 40:42

It's kind of what it reads like. But I don't know.

Captain 40:45

No, I think he's I think they like took his body in the back of an ambulance and then and then he said, like, you want to get coffee? I I won't be able to sleep tonight anyway, or something.

Wilson 40:54

Okay, that's better. They're like trying to resuscitate him, and he's like, Do you want to get coffee?

Captain 41:04

Um, yeah, anyway. Um, I I just it's just not it's just it's just a lot, and it's not good. Um Yeah.

cores And Box Office Fallout

Captain 41:13

I did have some numbs and Nun Ums a hot goose in here if you want to talk about that.

Wilson 41:16

Spill 'em.

Captain 41:17

You want me to spill them?

Wilson 41:19

Oh, I mean, I I well, I can spill them. I don't care.

Captain 41:22

You spill 'em.

Wilson 41:23

Alright, alright, alright. Um Rotten Tomatoes, 26 Critic, uh, 69 audience. Which kind of surprised me. I almost feel like this this movie kind of felt like it would be the opposite. Like somehow critically did very well, and the audience is just like, what?

Captain 41:42

Yeah, it's giving arts to you, yeah.

Wilson 41:44

Um, and then I was looking at the letterbox. The the score in letterbox is 3.5, which is pretty good. So I feel like that is crazy. Generally liked. Um budget was 50 million, box office was eight point filler.

Captain 42:00

Yeah, apparently this was like a box office disaster, I think was the word they used.

Wilson 42:05

I mean, that's pretty bad.

Captain 42:07

Yeah, that's like, I mean, yeah, that's really bad. It's like not even 20% of what you had to spend to make the movie. Yeah.

Wilson 42:16

So And I feel like they spent all of that on transitions because it didn't look like a movie otherwise that would have been very expensive. But I don't know.

Captain 42:27

Yeah, I guess well, the three main characters are like they were already well known, I guess, at that time, so that was probably where some of the budget went, but but yeah, the rest of the movie didn't seem that expensive. I was mostly just shot in New York, I guess.

Wilson 42:42

And yeah, like it didn't look like they had to create any sets. I mean, I don't know.

Captain 42:48

Oh yeah. Even that church scene apparently was from a real church in New York. Like where the acting class was. So they don't fuck that up. I guess they had to destroy a couple of cars. I I'm not really sure.

Wilson 43:02

We don't really think about in movies when I see like they blow up an expensive car, I'm like, damn. But then at the same time, I'm like, well, if you look at a movie budget, you know, a blown-up $50,000 car is like pennies. Yeah.

Captain 43:16

Yeah, they do it a lot in Fast and Furious, and I'm like, sir, like uh that car is probably a gazillion dollars. Like, yeah. What's the one car that's like a quarter of a million? I'm like, I swear that's in a movie and they destroy it.

Wilson 43:27

I mean, I I don't know. I feel like there's a lot like that, but like a Lamborghini is I think a pretty popular one that's like a quarter of a million at least.

Captain 43:35

Yeah.

Wilson 43:36

I don't know.

Captain 43:38

Well, I I you're probably right. Transition's probably costing us monies.

rivia And Hidden Symbolism

Wilson 43:44

Um, do you want some hot goss?

Captain 43:47

Yeah, give it to me. Yeah. Piping.

Wilson 43:50

Piping. Well, I don't know if this one's piping, but um Mark was inspired by Vertigo um for this movie, or at least he references that along with. Some other movies. Um I mean, apparently the length of the character's pants that he's wearing on his like are significant.

Captain 44:10

So yeah, I looked this up. So what it's saying is like yeah, it's like d details, right? Yeah. So apparently in the movie didn't notice this, but Sam's trousers that like his his pants are too short for him. I I who whatever.

Wilson 44:27

Um piping hot ghost.

Captain 44:29

But apparently his pants are are like too short for him for the whole film. But it's because he's in reality, he's crouched over Henry, and when you crouch, your pants rise. So in Henry's mind, the only time he's ever seen Sam is with cropped like sh like sh pants are too short for him.

Wilson 44:51

I mean, I like that in theory, but I never would have made that connection.

Captain 44:56

I couldn't even. I'd yeah. But uh I mean, I'm like, good for you. Uh what am I supposed to do?

Wilson 45:04

They would need to do like a a Netflix thing where like, you know what, zoom in on his pants cuffs like several different times during the movie, and then come back to it at the end.

Captain 45:13

I'd be like, oh yeah, I yeah, you'd have to zoom in oodles. It would have to be like a main transition point.

Wilson 45:22

Yes. Um all right, so we also uh Letham or Letham, the his last name, Henry's last name, right? Yeah, yes, um, it's an anagram of Hamlet, apparently. Um which they referenced several times throughout the film. Um in the scene where uh Sam uh meets uh Henry um at the art art lecture, um they're talking about at least four sets of twins and triplets all dressed alike in the hallways, and some are seen twice.

Captain 45:57

Yeah, so I think the civilians was if I'm I I if I'm I don't know if I'm reaching, but I think it was trying to push for the red herring of like multiple personalities disorder, and I think like having a bunch of triplets or twins in there was like trying to hint at that. Um but I like I like I said, I think it was like a red herring for the movie.

Wilson 46:23

Hmm. Okay.

Captain 46:25

I I'm I'm guessing, no one told me that.

Wilson 46:28

It's probably a good guess. Um and then so you already talked about this a little bit earlier, but the entire movie is basically a dream or hallucination taking place in Henry's mind, like the seconds before he dies, and the film is based on survivor's guilt. Like he feels guilty for being the only one who survived the accident, but it's like, I mean, was he really alive that long? But I guess in those seconds his dreams were of him feeling it in his dream world for his parents that died a long time ago or something.

Captain 47:04

Yeah, I again I don't know if his Yeah.

Wilson 47:09

It's just odd.

Captain 47:10

It's just really weird. Um Yeah, I honestly gave this movie a little bit of points for not being multiple personalities, because I feel like there's a lot of movies that are like that, like psychological thrillers, so I like I I think I gave it like a two on letterbox, and it was like honestly, you get half a point just for not being that, but still not good.

Wilson 47:33

No. And then the last bit here the movie is intentionally disjointed to simulate a dying, surreal dream state where identities shift, like people becoming twins or switch places, and reality is bent. Like, so all these things sounds creative. It sounds like you know, a fun premise for a movie, but I I don't know, just how it was executed in this movie, it didn't it didn't hit right, I guess.

Captain 48:02

It's not hitting.

Wilson 48:03

It's not coming across well enough, and I yeah, I don't know.

Captain 48:07

You know, it says that the like he's referencing other movies like Vertigo. Vertigo's actually like kind of like this, but good.

Wilson 48:14

Vertigo's really good.

Captain 48:16

Oh, you have seen it?

Wilson 48:18

Yeah, uh earlier this year. Oh it's pretty good. If you haven't seen it, you should see it.

Captain 48:23

No, I have seen it, but it's been like probably like almost 15 years.

Wilson 48:27

Oh no, the first time I saw it, I was in theaters like earlier this year. I was like, okay.

Captain 48:32

Wow. Look at you. Um yeah, the yeah. I I did have I did pull out a raise of glass moment. Um when Henry um so there's a scene where Henry's outside his apartment, outside of Sam's apartment, and Sam's like getting fed up with Henry not answering questions. And so he kind of like starts interrogating him, and during this like heated discussion or argument, they like they're like morphing into each other, like as the argument's happening. Like Sam will be starting a line and like it'll morph and Henry will be finishing it. Um, so it is kind of like weird, like druggy, halluciny, hallucinating thing happening, but it is kind of cool the way they shot it. Um but I during that while that scene was going on, that's when I was like, oh, they're one person, multiple personalities. And earlier in the movie, where Henry saw Sam's ring to propose to his girlfriend, Henry said, Where did you get that? And he said, Wow. He said, I bought it, and Henry said, Oh. And then like he didn't really respond, but later on in the movie, Henry said, Your ring looks exactly like what I was gonna use to propose to that waitress. And I was like, Oh, he said he lost it, and I was like, Oh, that just means that the other personality in the same body took it, basically. But then it's not that, so it's not multiple personalities, so I don't it's just but at least during that scene when I thought that's what it was, I was like, Oh, that's cool.

Wilson 50:12

Yeah.

Captain 50:14

Yeah. Did you have a razor glass?

Wilson 50:16

Um, it was hard to because nothing super jumped out at me, but um I did like the scene, like I think it was done well, where I mentioned it earlier. Um Sam comes back in his apartment and he's like freaking out because things are unraveling, and Naomi Watts is there, and like that's where um everything keeps shifting really quickly, like replaying or like their clothes change. Um I just thought it was like it it looked cool.

Captain 50:46

Hmm. Yeah.

Wilson 50:48

Even if I didn't know what was going on.

Captain 50:50

It was probably the most interesting part of the movie that I hadn't seen in other movies of this, like yeah, like almost like a time glitch where it's just repeating a few seconds of the same scene over and over.

inal Ratings And Next Movie

Wilson 51:01

But yeah. So and you you say you gave this a two, right?

Captain 51:07

Yeah, but 40's too nice. This is like a um I don't know. This is like a 35, I guess.

Wilson 51:22

Yeah, like we've definitely watched worse movies, but uh like I think I also gave it a two in letterbox because I was just I didn't I just I didn't have a good time.

Captain 51:32

Would not recommend.

Wilson 51:34

No. No, but I guess unless somebody's like really into those movies where it doesn't make any sense and you really have to think about it later, like maybe, sure, have at it. It's a good puzzle for you. Maybe you'll get it right away.

Captain 51:47

I don't know, but so what would you so you're gonna give it a 40 then out of a hundred?

Wilson 51:56

Um no, I'd say like like you said 35 or 30, 30 percent. Yeah.

Captain 52:04

Okay.

Wilson 52:05

I don't agree with the audience.

Captain 52:11

Yeah, I would not recommend. Um anyway. Um next week we're doing Annihilation, which is like a sci-fi movie kind of about an evil evil plants isn't right. Um, evil uh or maybe not even evil. Yeah, different um intelligent life.

Wilson 52:37

Yeah.

Captain 52:40

Also with a fuck ton of famous people in the cast. Yeah. So enjoy that.

Wilson 52:45

Um do you have advice for me?

Captain 52:48

What? No. I'm supposed to be getting advice. I'm doing XV.

Wilson 52:54

Uh um, yeah, so okay, so what uh you need advice. Um can I have like uh Oh god Do you just want like general advice or like on a specific I mean I don't even know, man.

Captain 53:12

I I feel like nobody This movie's so I don't know.

Wilson 53:17

I don't think you can have Survivor's Guild if you're also going through the same thing.

Captain 53:20

Yes, not really advice, but um Yeah, I totally agree with you. Um I don't know. I mean, general advice for this would just be like drive safe. Right.