Discipline and Discipleship with Todd Doxzon

In this episode of the i2 podcast, Josh Dotzler and pastor Todd Doxzon from Love Church discuss life change, personal discipleship, growing motivations, and the impact sports has made in their lives. Todd shares about his passion for small disciplines and how he has seen them make a major impact in his life.

Transcript

Josh Dotzler:   0:03
Well, welcome to another episode on the eye to podcast. I'm so excited about today so passionate about seeing every single person used their God given influence to see God's eyes intact in the world. I got one of my main man in the house today, Pastor tied Dr Love Church and bro, so

Todd Doxzon:   0:23
glad to have you and excited talk crazy. Think about the day we met in a Creighton basketball training room. Yes, till now and all that God has done in and through your life, it's Ah, it's an honor to be on this on this podcast.

Josh Dotzler:   0:40
I was actually telling the story the other day. I was I was hosting event for F C A and I was talking about my FC experience. Wow. Being in the training room and you meeting me right there in all these years later through sports, kind of as an initial connecting point and just how God has used that. I mean, you've been a great friend and courage or mentor. You've invested, partnered with our organization and just crazy. Cool likes those connections.

Todd Doxzon:   1:08
He sovereign. Lee connects and collides people for such a time as this. He's planted us in this city to partner. And yeah, we've learned so much from you guys to throughout the years, and I can live vicariously through you a little bit, you know, as a new old man now, looking at a younger

Josh Dotzler:   1:25
age. Although you're out there, you know, I got a few gray hairs on my chin and see if my hair's looking a little more like you're keeping a short of a top. I said, you know, it's bad when you're speaking and you put your head down and you see on the screen that is getting a little thin on you start pulling that thing. So just just for our listeners, like giving a little glimpse, you're married. You've got Children just kind of some of your personal life.

Todd Doxzon:   1:50
Yeah, we'll be married 20 years, man. If you can believe in 2020 big year, actually, for us, the boys will graduate. We have twin boys. Seniors in high school is crazy. And then, ah, our first permanent location will be will be done prayerfully by the end of 2020. So big year for us use, um, you know, had a radical conversion of Christ in 1997 in my truck after I got cut by the New York Jets, which was, you know, football was My God. Hey, had to get my attention. I'm actually preaching on it this Sunday at nine. It was a collision course with Christ. And and, man, it's been a crazy journey ever since.

Josh Dotzler:   2:26
So crazy talk about, you know, getting cut, playing professional football, backing it up. You played college football, high school football, one of your son's place football. You got Zion and Blaze. Just talk about them in one place for all the other one. Little more artistic into the music side of things.

Todd Doxzon:   2:44
They're actually both musicians on By what I tried to Denise, my bolts tried really make it clear in their life, God's created you uniquely and specifically with different gifts. We just want you to maximize whoever God made you just get. And so, from early on I feel like by God's race, they felt free to be who they were and are. Blaze for some reason, picked up football and loved it, and and so he would invite me into it later on in his life to coach him. So I gave him a ton of what I've been given. And he's just what I'm really proud of him is his consistency is hard. Work is discipline, never missed summer workout for football, got up on his own, said his own alarm. That is himself. Breakfast got their super proud of him. Zion, you know, just a fun guy to be around. Super creative Given did, Um, he's our number one drummer at our church. I mean, he's just he's a whole nother level on a creative guy will be interesting to see what they dio. Yeah, with their life.

Josh Dotzler:   3:45
Yeah, so cool. So it's so cool and fun to watch you as you raised your boys and how intentional you've been and how unique they are. Me and my four kids, they're all so different and they call you have thio, you know, see what the way God's gifted him and try to help encourage them in that direction. You talk about your story, your boys are getting ready to graduate. You were in high school at one point time and you talk about sports and football and how that really dominated your life. Talk about what high school look like for you leading into college and obviously your journey to the pros when it comes to sports and capable.

Todd Doxzon:   4:20
Played all three basketball, baseball, football, Actually, out I basketball is my favorite sport. I wanted to be a Josh does.

Josh Dotzler:   4:26
You're way more athletic than Josh. Don't ever think

Todd Doxzon:   4:29
that, um, but for whatever reason, got a scholarship. The Iowa State went there and actually played baseball and football my first year. And then I was a little too much. You know, I just zoned in on I didn't know that. Yeah, so play baseball, too. Yeah, And honestly, I look at, like, the way my body feels now it is. Sometimes there's days I'm like Nash in his own base. More couldn't have to change up, so I wouldn't have made it anyways. But zoned in on football. And it was good, man, I learned a lot of tough, humbling lessons at Iowa State. We had a didn't have the greatest team, but made a ton of great friendships build a bunch of relationships learned, uh, discipline and diligence and like, embracing uncomfortable a lot of the the things that you know that I use right now as a leader were being formed in that season of life. I had a strength coach, for example. Coach McGettigan came from Notre Dame. Uh, and he was the greatest strength coach I've ever had. And he would squeeze every drop of ability and effort out of you. And next thing you know, you're setting records on the squat rack because of his leadership and his challenge. And so there's just so many things, you know, showing up on time. Yep. Showing up with a great attitude. Yeah, even when you know you didn't really feel like it, All right, You know, some of those little things that have carried on through You're

Josh Dotzler:   5:54
so good. I think that's one of the reasons why we pride connected so early on is on the sports side of things. There's just a mentality that you live with, and you're constantly trying to get better. You're constantly trying to grow and develop, which translates to so many different aspects of life and is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you today. Because as we talk about seeing the influence and everyone lied to impact everywhere, I am convinced, and I of you know heard statements and read articles. We are not the sum total of our vision and goals, but of our habits and our disciplines and those things that we do on a consistent basis. And you as a pastor and leading a church. You know, our primary role is to make disciples, and the root word of discipleship is disciplined and helping people live a certain way. And so, you know, you think about your college career and those coaches and the way they helped you grow in athletics. Yeah. What? What did it look like for you? What were you growing towards? Because you talk about the collision course that you eventually have. But I think for you know, I could relate. I was growing towards something, and it wasn't using my God given influence to see God sized impact in the world. What we're growing towards.

Todd Doxzon:   7:11
Yeah, it's a really good question. My motives Let me let me go. I'll even go a step deeper if you if you don't mind. But I had a lot of insecurities growing up. You know, my parents went through a divorce. Um, I got dumped in the ninth grade by a girlfriend Yeah, I remember. I didn't make the the traveling gladiators basketball a

Josh Dotzler:   7:31
lot of gladiators. Yeah, that was the biggest eyes

Todd Doxzon:   7:35
while. Because when after the tryouts, the this is old school, man. They put your name, like on a piece of paper on the wall. Yeah, and I'm like, I had a great trial. For sure. I'm making this. I'm look, Wow, Look under the DEA's no docks in. Soon as I see it, I turn around on the coach, looks to me and he says Todd had a great tryout, but you're too small. Wow. And I'm telling you, do like it was interesting. And if you look back in your life, you can see some of these pivotal places you don't even know that were forming, right? Some of your motivation. So, honestly, I had a lot of real false and just bad motivation, and it was kind of like I'm gonna prove to you how small I am. Yeah, I'm gonna prove to you, and so I'm gonna make it to the NFL, sunken, then look back and point my finger and be like, Yo, dude,

Josh Dotzler:   8:28
every person who's ever cut you or said

Todd Doxzon:   8:31
yeah or the girl. That don't mean I'll show

Josh Dotzler:   8:33
you. You You want to

Todd Doxzon:   8:34
be with me right now when I get the NFL are you know, And so it was It was this crazy motivation that, um honestly, it was so unhealthy looking back. But, you know, when I came to Christ, it was cool because it all transferred and translated into a different thing. And we all have insecurities. But I tell you, the identity and the insecurity has been completely shifted as a result of coming to Christ so good. Not that you know, those. Sometimes I still struggle with that like any ready. But that that has been a major, major thing that shifted when I came to Christ.

Josh Dotzler:   9:11
You talk about the collision course getting into a car accident, you're playing professional football. What was it about that accident that shifted the motivation in your heart? And what was God doing before? After kind of that moment, It's actually it wasn't

Todd Doxzon:   9:26
necessary. It wasn't a collision course like a accident. It was. It was I was actually in my car. There was no collision, but I call it a collision course because it was like I was literally delivering a bag of weed. And like a Jimmy John sandwiches. You know, I had just gotten cut by New York. I was finishing my degree in in Ames, Iowa, and I had hit rock bottom. And And, um so I was literally out one night and I was in a snowstorm. I didn't crash, but I felt with Lord, right, literally, his presence come into my truck, and and I almost had an out of body experience. God was like, saying tied. You can continue down this road. But, man there, my hands are gonna be off. And it could be, you know, premature death, disease, incarceration. Or you can just stop stiff arming me, man. You submit to me and I'll just I'll change your life. Come all Billy away. Come on. It was literally like I saw the polytech converge. That's exactly what I was thinking of describing. And that's why you know, we're in Matthew. Mark, Luke. John acts this year as a church were literally just this week, we read acts nine. Some will be teaching this and super excited about it, cause it's so personal till really you know, And then now you know 22 years later to see the fruit of that one pivotal decision. Yes, a all right, man, I'm I'm done doing this this thing on my own and trying to reach this goal. That Yeah. Okay, then what? Yeah, I make it to the NFL. Then what? Right fact, I'm glad I got cut. I'm glad I pulled my hamstring got cut by Bill Parcells. Because what? What? What would happen? Where would I be today? Right. Had I not had that season of my crazy, It's It's so like, sobering to think about where I could be right now. Hadn't had it not been for the grace of God. Sometimes the the most kind thing that God can do is put you through a crisis. Yeah, in my opinion, yeah, because it it's a way to open our eyes to man. Where am I really at? Right, you know,

Josh Dotzler:   11:34
Got got so good. He doesn't necessarily. He doesn't give us what we want. He gives us what way, which sometimes is good. Uh, you know, it's amazing. I think I said this last Sunday's many times when we're at our lowest God is closest. True because we see our need for him in a radically different way. So you have this collision course, not a literal, but God gets your attention, starts to redirect your motivation, which is like foundational to understanding that the influence we do have is from God and for God's right and not for ourselves, for our own desires, whether it's making up for stuff that's happened in our past or, you know, unmet expectations we've had. So your motivation starts to change. You start to pursue God's plan for your life. What does that look like when it's specifically when it comes to disciplines and and starting to shift? Just those the the journey that you were walking down the road you were walking down?

Todd Doxzon:   12:36
Yeah, one of things that happened, Josh right away was within a couple weeks of this pivotal decision in my truck. 1997 is the New England Patriots. Call out of the Blue Call, my agent and they said, You know, we want to sign Todd seven NFL Europe in Amsterdam on bro like think about it. So on NFL team wants to sign you to Samson, and you're literally The Patriots signed me and they send me. They want to send me to Amsterdam. We'll do. My struggle was women and weed. And in Amsterdam, it's like full Sandra, like

Josh Dotzler:   13:09
three enemies. Like I got a plan for your life. I got a plan for you. And it was so cool,

Todd Doxzon:   13:14
though. How the sovereignty of God. Because at the same time, Kurt Warner signed with Rams and they were sending him to the same team. So my NFL, your coach calls me and says, Hey, um, our quarterback is in Des Moines. You're in Ames. I'm gonna connect to you guys because I was making the transition from quarterback to receiver. And he's like, You guys need to get together and train. And so literally Kurt would drive up from Des Moines. Why, like six in the morning? We go to the rec center at Ames, and he'd throw routes. We'd run gas Er's. And so we began this friendship. Well, little little did I know. I just come to Christ. Kurt had been walking with Christ for about two years on fire. Okay, so then we go to Atlanta for training camp roommates. He talked about disciplines. I mean, he's getting us up early to lift weights. I mean, we had, like, three days, man. And then before we went to bed like he literally would get me on, we'd be on our knees and teach me that prayer and of, you know, studying the word. And it was total game changer. Now we played a little video games. I think resident evil or something like that. I mean, is old school. But it's cool because it's funny, because just was, what's today? Friday? So just a couple days ago, I talked to Kourt on the phone into this day. The influence early on in my life in my walk with Christ is was so huge. And that's why we know we bring people in our home for that reason, because he gave his life away and trained me and some of the the key disciplines of the walk with Christ, when we want to be able to give that away, that's what we've been doing, what we've been doing for this money. Come on, man. So

Josh Dotzler:   14:56
I feel like I just want I just got so big and so good and you just see his

Todd Doxzon:   15:03
grace and his hand. You look like You know, I'm telling you, dude, if if I didn't have that there, because then we get to Amsterdam. And, you know, I'd like, come home from, like, we drive. I drive. I'd ride my bike into the city, grab some, like American cereal or something, and I'd come back and current, you know? Where were you at? I mean, he was Wow. So I had accountability. I had challenge a model, so he was a fierce competitors. But he was a Christian. He all in biblical Christian. I saw. I remember, um, during camp I saw him, his wife, and he adopted Brenda's kids. So they all came. We had we had something just a pizza together as a family. Wow. And I just watched him. And I'm like, That's the guy I want to be.

Josh Dotzler:   15:54
Wow. I didn't know you could

Todd Doxzon:   15:55
be like, ah, fierce competitor. A pretty cool guy and be a Christian. I was socked it,

Josh Dotzler:   15:59
right? Right. Those were mutually exclusive. Your fears coming or your your lame o pushover pressure. You know, you

Todd Doxzon:   16:08
could live life that way. His example. So powerful.

Josh Dotzler:   16:12
Not so good. God brings community. He brings a model, their motivations changing. You're starting to create these new habits. I mean, now, obviously, you're leading within the context of the church. What were those habits that you started to form? That even today, you would say, are essential for anybody who wants to become the full version, reach their full potential based on who gots created them to be?

Todd Doxzon:   16:37
Yeah, there's a lot of them. I'll give you just probably the 22 main ones. Number one was a daily intake of God's word. I mean, that's that has been a non negotiable. And that actually is another story. Because, um, ended up going to New England, got hurt again, got cut, went to Miami. Um, when I was in Miami, um, had a great couple of years there, and then I went to the XFL. And when we're on our way to the XFL, we stopped in Phoenix, Arizona, on New Year's Eve 2000. Ah, guy gets up there were at, ah Calvary Chapel in Phoenix. It wasn't the pastor, just like a just a lay leader. And he had the Bible study that it was a Wednesday night, and he challenged the old shirts to read through the Bible in a year. Well, he say, I promise you, if you read through the Bible in a year, I'll give you a guide on how to do it. You'll change everything well, and I'm like, That's all right. I'm reading the property of the day. I don't know, like I mean, um, and on the way out, my wife elbow me. I grab to these Bible reading charts and went to training camp. And so after practice, I would get in the ice tub for 15 minutes, you guys, and get the toe caps and neoprene toe caps on there. And so I had this little mini Bible with little snap on it. And I had that Bible in a year guide, and I'm like, Well, shoot, I'm gonna be stuck in here for 15 minutes anyways, so I just I literally started. It was Genesis one to Matthew one and someone, and then we just started it. And day two in the beauty of training camp is you get in such a disciplined rhythm in camp. And so you know, after a month I developed that habit and way we joke around our church that we say sometimes when you first started in the Bible, it's drudgery. But then it becomes a discipline. And but then late then over time it becomes a delight. So good. So now in the morning, like I'm excited to get with God and I'm a mechanical pencil guy. Ah, physical Bible guy and all of my Bible reading chart out. And, uh and we just we've been doing that and my wife's intern Think, 19th year of going through the Bible in a year. Well, I moved it to the Bible in two years, like 2008. I want to say to you as a nine broader church through the violence years and now we moved it to a Bible in six year program. So we're in year five of that right now, and it's a simple distance and them on. And

Josh Dotzler:   19:06
then the number two,

Todd Doxzon:   19:06
I would say, is his physical discipline. You know, we in our in our DNA is in the culture of our church. We just we believe in in, um, consistent workouts, consistently sweating together, getting uncomfortable, right. And we've done that, um, for a lot of years. Our youth pastors are trainer, and he kills us. I hate him and love him all the same time. My wife teach. She teaches a bar bell class. It was Saturday for our whole. You might have been

Josh Dotzler:   19:34
there. Out. Have you have a barbecue? One of our other classes. You know what I was walking in? You might have been to

Todd Doxzon:   19:40
a yoga class or something. Yes, like the Saturdays for our whole staff. And then there's bunch other people at the gym and I call it bar Hell, seriously, it's It's Saturday.

Josh Dotzler:   19:50
Let your wife ain't no job.

Todd Doxzon:   19:52
No, she don't mess around. She's a kneeling. I don't know how she does it, but it's what I love about it is it's something in your schedule that I I don't want to do. Yeah, and yet every Saturday, I hit my alarm. As much as I hate it, I'm gonna be there. And so those I feel like the biblical discipline in the physical discipline have been some of the key components that have translated into this this, you know, longevity of health, of fruitfulness of, you know, just blessing our lives in so many areas.

Josh Dotzler:   20:25
I love what you said about disciplines. You know, sometimes it starts off as drudgery. Oh, even when we hear the word discipline, it's like, Oh, man, do I have to put a discipline into my life? But the consistent discipline ultimately leads to delight and at least two feeling a certain way. It leads to thinking a certain way, believing a certain way big. And if we can discipline ourselves enough to the point where we can start to experience the delight, the goodness of God, it's the game changes every one of us. So but to go into it, knowing it's gonna be hard, yes, but, man, if I keep doing it consistently long enough, there's gonna be results in fruit big time that I'm gonna enjoy and everybody around me is gonna enjoy to one of

Todd Doxzon:   21:09
the phrases we we've gone by for a lot of years is his little disciplines and lead the big victory. Right? And I remember even like training our Pee wee football team in that phrase. And it's funny because now they're seniors in high school. And you know, guys like Nate Glance starting probably people by this all state quarterback in the state. Andrew Bednar. You know all these? My son a lot of these kids. It's funny because you'll text them now and you will say little disciplines lied to and they know it. And then we talk about, you know, an audience of one perspective, right? So we say one like they understand these concepts and they are living in the fruit, right? Alright, then implementing those disciplines in their own life. And, you know, again, it's spiritual disciplines, its physical disciplines. It's, you know, you could live honestly. You cannot even believe in Jesus and just live by biblical discipline. Right? And you'll see fruit in your life now, right? You won't have necessary that deep peace, you know, in your soul and row where you're going when you die. But, um right, but those things are just natural laws that God has in place.

Josh Dotzler:   22:18
When, when it comes to the biblical discipline of getting in God's word, I don't know that there's anybody that I know that believes that with such conviction and passion more than you. And that's such a core component of the church that you lied. I've heard you guys talk about having a whoa. That's something that I like is your passion, your conviction and part of what I hear you saying is it changed your life so much, you know that if other people do it, their lives are gonna be forever changed.

Todd Doxzon:   22:49
You absolutely nailed. Why? I believe I'm on this planet, right? We say, find your Whoa, Find your flow. Yeah, I feel like I'm in my flow when I'm helping people developed that daily discipline and God's word. And again not as a homework assignment or 1/2 too. But the heart is so you can get to know God for whose I says he is right and develop this intimacy and friendship in a relationship with the creator of the universe. I mean, and so you're right. The reason we're so passionate about it is we We've seen the impact. So, you know, this whole podcast is about influencing, In fact, I mean, we've seen the personal impact in our lives. And then I mean story after story after story after story we've seen in, and it's funny. We weigh joke about catching the virus and, you know, even church, church world. We used to kind of like take it personal or get sad when people would leave the church, and now it's almost opposite. We're almost like awesome. Take the virus to the other church in the city of Omar where you goes. Yes, because the goal is not yes, for a bunch of people to come to our church. The goal is that people become self feeders because we we've seen the fruit ourselves and we've seen the longevity. You know, it's not just a flash in the pan Christianity. It is long term lasting fruit. Come on, which is our heart? Come

Josh Dotzler:   24:16
on, come on. We're talking about using your God given influence to see God sized impact. I'm here with my good friend Pastor tied docks in talking about the power of disciplines on how doing small disciplines over a period of time produces game changing, life, changing results, talking about getting God's word, talking about physical fitness and health. You know, we we lead based on the lifestyle that we have. And so I love like you live it more than anybody else that I know you're leading. You've got an entire church he talked about You guys are breaking grounds for a permanent location, which I'm so excited.

Todd Doxzon:   24:54
The O Can we have you preaching a man. Your

Josh Dotzler:   24:58
faithfulness consists of you guys been meeting at a high school for how long?

Todd Doxzon:   25:00
Over a decade. Do over a decade, That crazy to think about

Josh Dotzler:   25:04
that. That's that's the picture of doing the same thing consistently for a while and then God saying, All right, I've got a door open for you guys and you guys walking into that as a pastor. As a leader, two things, number one. You start to create these disciplines, getting God's word, you start to go after him. I'm sure you're like, Oh, I got to be a pastor like that is the thing that I have to do with my life. How did you stumble on the role of leadership that you're playing today

Todd Doxzon:   25:31
for the good question? Honestly, it would be the last thing in the world I thought I'd be doing. And if I'm really honest with you, I I look at myself as a coach. In fact, I love that. If I had my druthers, I would be probably ah, college position coach. Um, but you know this This is what I I knew God called me to and I would go back Thio. You know the whoa thing. I was actually out of place in life. I read a book. I think I might have mentioned this to you years ago. Called The Cure for the Common Life by Max Lucado On the subtitle was How To Find Your Sweet Spot and the two major questions that he asked was a When you most alive but be what freaks you out the moment. What do you hate about life and the culture? What's the what problem in the culture like you can't like? You can't sleep because you think about this problem, right? And getting honestly, Josh, that was that. That question was what helped clarify my call because, you know, I was I I was I couldn't just see that problem and and let it go. And one of the main ones was. A lot of Christians would just go to church 1.8 grams and run, never cracked their Bible from Sunday to Sunday and would be living lives of defeat and despair and depression. And I just saw such a such a it would just my blood would boy and and it was funny because I would complain you're early on. I was so mature, I would complain about it and talk trash about churches and pastors. And why don't you get your people in the Bible? And Ah, God brought me back to a picture of way back in college. I was a senior at Iowa State. We're playing Texas A and M, and it was fourth quarter. We're down by 10 6 seconds left. No one was open. I scrambled and said, throwing the ball away or whatever. And maybe was 30 seconds, I don't know. And I had always heard it from the crowd. Always like my whole career. Never, never responded to him at all. Well, after the game, I'm walking up the tunnel. There was a drunk college student that was walking with me, and he was just let me

Josh Dotzler:   27:48
Why throw a ball way? Just, you know, like you idiot doctor. And he was, like, right next to

Todd Doxzon:   27:53
me. And I stopped, like, in my tracks. First time ever in my whole career. And I said, Listen, this is before I was a Christian, okay? You need to shut the you know what up? Pick up your jockstrap. Beat me out at practice, and then you can talk all the trash in the meantime, Shut the whatever. And it was funny because it was like God was reminding me of that. And he said, Todd, shut up. Now he doesn't got, doesn't custody didn't it was able vulgarity, but he said,

Josh Dotzler:   28:20
but thanks to us in the way we need to hear

Todd Doxzon:   28:22
and I needed to hear it, He said, Shut up, get your Bible jock strap on and do something about it. And that really was why we ended up starting the church because he was like, You can't talk about a problem and just whine about it, right? Do something not so good. And, uh, and honestly, again, I I'd love to be a college football coach, you know, because I really love investing in young men. And but I just didn't think that I was called that you could sell of impact there. But the broad impact in the in the body of Christ to develop self feeders so good I just felt like we couldn't We couldn't make a impact the way we'd want to if we didn't start a church

Josh Dotzler:   29:05
so good. I mean, you hit the nail on the head when you talk about just your journey, your story as we're helping people understand their God given influence to see God sized impact. Two things really stand out to me about your story. Number one. You can't really fully experience all that God has for you unless you have the spiritual discipline of getting in God's works. Huge because you understand who you are and you understand God's story and plan for the world and your role in it. Number two. You didn't set out to be a pastor, but as you engaged in this spiritual discipline and got started to speak to you, and I can relate to this in my own story in life, I could see it

Todd Doxzon:   29:46
in your eyes,

Josh Dotzler:   29:47
not plan to be where I am sitting in this seat today. But it's amazing how God changes you and has those conversations with you and tells you, man, stop complaining. Those things that you're frustrated about are those things that I want you to be a part of the solution. Think, Zack says. People are listening. You know those disciplines help us discover even more specifically where our sweet spot is, which helps us when we get in that sweet spot, the influence that we have, the impact we have. It's so much easier because it's from God for others through us. And we get to walk in that I also love. You know, I love the word coach and I say the same thing. I probably coaching college basketball somewhere could see you. And I feel like a coach in the sense of what we get to do. And even this conversation as a coach from a coach's perspective. What do you say to listeners when it comes to them putting these disciplines habits into their life, to really discover who they are in the impact there called the half?

Todd Doxzon:   30:43
Yeah, I think it is just what you said, man is, um, one of the questions We challenge people to pray consistently. As we say, Lord, we challenge him. Say this Lord, what do you inviting me into in this season and then have the patients to pause and pray and you really listen? And I think that's a major one man and and then have the courage to obey whatever he says. And to your point, though, you have to put yourself in a place in a posture to hear from God. You know, um and then obey that and then, you know, trust the sovereignty of God, man. I mean, it's it's not about all of, you know, just are comfortable iti It's about what he's called us to what he's you know, and he's gonna equip you for the call, right? We just got to say Yes, sir, And I'm all in. Whenever you say I'm gonna obey way. Use that phrase phraseology a lot. Whatever you say, I'm gonna pay.

Josh Dotzler:   31:37
Come on. So good, Pastor Todd docks in love church. I love you. You live it. I mean, even today getting together. You bring me a Bible for our family. Children's bible. You practice what you preach, You live the way you lied. Love you excited for people to listen to this and and really learn and grow and put those types of disciplines in their life that will help them use their influence to impact the world. We say all the time we're not called to do everything, but God has gifted us. He's given us a sweet spot to do something that's right. And so We just wanna see everyone use their influence for impact in the world. Hey, if people want to stay connected to you, follow you see what happened at love church working. They find you guys

Todd Doxzon:   32:18
love church dot org is the website love church. Global is our is our app. You can also follow us on love leadership. That's our new podcast that we're working on love leadership. Find it online. I don't I'm not a big social media guy. Which I was gonna follow my wife. I don't know what hers is way. Actually, I actually have a Facebook page that I check. Not real regularly, but you can follow me, connect with me on Facebook docks. D'oh, Zealand, Gonzo and Denise toxins his wife. I love you. Thanks for spending some time today, Man. Appreciates you, bro. Awesome.