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times you."},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1648.819,"endTime":1651.88,"body":"You do something like that, you"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1648.819,"endTime":1651.88,"body":"develop a new skill or you get"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1651.88,"endTime":1653.89,"body":"better at something that you're"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1651.88,"endTime":1653.89,"body":"not traditionally good at."},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1654.25,"endTime":1656.95,"body":"Out of necessity, when"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1654.25,"endTime":1656.95,"body":"you're forced to do it,"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1656.95,"endTime":1659.41,"body":"that's when you become, you"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1656.95,"endTime":1659.41,"body":"start to innovate, right?"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1659.8,"endTime":1662.26,"body":"And so I think it's gonna"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1659.8,"endTime":1662.26,"body":"be interesting to 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for"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1689.959,"endTime":1691.114,"body":"coming on today."},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1691.1190000000001,"endTime":1691.999,"body":"It was a pleasure having you."},{"speaker":"Ann Kuss","startTime":1692.269,"endTime":1692.779,"body":"Same here."},{"speaker":"Ann Kuss","startTime":1692.779,"endTime":1693.739,"body":"Thank you for having me."},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1695.284,"endTime":1696.4840000000002,"body":"All right"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1695.284,"endTime":1696.4840000000002,"body":"listeners, if you haven't done"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1696.4840000000002,"endTime":1700.405,"body":"so already, head on over to"},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1696.4840000000002,"endTime":1700.405,"body":"peoplemanagingpeople.com/subscribe."},{"speaker":"David Rice","startTime":1700.4740000000002,"endTime":1701.914,"body":"Get signed up for"},{"speaker":"David 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