The Truth About Australia’s Education System... And How to Protect Your Child From It

Hey legend,

A few weeks ago, I went on what can only be described as a passionate rage on Instagram.

It started with a news article about a new pilot program in WA introducing full-time school for four-year-olds...

 And ended with my DMs full of stories, questions, and a whole lot of parents saying: “I feel like the system is breaking my kid.”

So, I recorded one of the longest, most personal, most important episodes I’ve ever done —

 and then realised it was too big to fit into one week.

So I’ve split it.

🎧 This week: Part One — Why I Believe the Australian Education System is Broken.

I’m breaking down:

• The shocking stats on teacher burnout and student wellbeing
• Why our current system isn’t working (for kids, teachers or families)
• What we can learn from countries like Finland and Denmark
• And why starting school earlier might actually be hurting our kids, not helping them

This one is equal parts research, rage, and raw truth.

 If you’re a parent, teacher, or anyone who gives a damn about the next generation — this one’s for you.

Next week, I’ll be answering listener questions and diving into alternative models like Montessori, Steiner, homeschooling, and how to actually choose the right approach for your child.

But for now…

 Start with Part One.

Because it’s time we stop saying “it could be worse” — and start demanding better.

Big love,

 B 🤍

As always, please don't forget to hit Subscribe! xxx

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Hello. I thought I would just start by explaining what is about to happen in these next two episodes. I recorded a huge episode, and I listened back to it, and it was long. So what I've decided to actually do is break this up, and I'm splitting it over two weeks, because it was a really long one, and so this week today, I'm going to talk to you about part one, which is why I believe the Australian education system is broken. I'm breaking down studies and research about the how to create the best outcomes for your children in terms of well being, academia, etc, what we can learn from countries who are performing very, very well in both academic and wellbeing pursuits. And I'm going to give a few of my unfiltered thoughts about why I wasn't a big fan of some new initiatives to sort of introduce kids to the schooling system even younger, and the different contexts, I suppose, studies, beliefs, experience that have informed my beliefs as an educator. So that's all part one. I've split it up now because I was talking for a long time. And so part two, when you tune in next week, I'm going to be answering listener questions, and in that, I'm really breaking down different school models, home schooling, Montessori, Waldorf, Steiner, private versus public, on all of those decisions and information, so that you can also make some decisions and just have a think about whether you're choosing the right model for your child. I have some questions also next week that parents have asked about how to get a child to school that really is disengaged and it is impacting their mental health. So there's a few extra listener questions, which were mostly centered around homeschooling, online learning, alternative models and all of that. And that's coming next week. This week is really setting the landscape and helping, you know the research, know the studies, know what actually impacts overall academic and well being performance, and that's going to set the landscape for next week. So I've broken this up. Enjoy the next two weeks. And also, in the next couple weeks, we have an episode coming from Dr Justin Coulson. He is Australia's leading research and psychology expert in this space, with children's screens and a lot of these conversations that are really pertinent to this topic. So make sure you've subscribed, because the next few weeks are going to be so valuable. If this is a subject that you are interested and intrigued in and would like to make informed decision. So I'll leave you now to listen to what is now part one of this huge conversation on the Australian education system. Welcome back to the mind school Podcast. I'm diving straight in because this topic today, I have got pages and pages and pages of notes in front of me, and it's a conversation that is so deeply nuanced and yet so important. I I got into a little bit of a and I'll say myself premature passionate rage on my Instagram a few weeks ago, and it sparked the most insane engagement from parents. I was really angry about something I'd came to discover about some pilot program that's been ran in Western Australia next year, and I was just going on a rant on my stories about how absolutely broken the education system is, and I couldn't wrap my head around why we would try to get kids in younger, earlier for more days. Anyway, since then, I've done a little bit more research, and since then, I've also been absolutely flooded. I ended up putting a questions box up on my stories, and I just got so many stories, honestly, some really heartbreaking stories, some questions from mums who are kind of at their wit's end, parents who are like, What do I do? What school do I choose? Which system is right for my kid, home schooling, or online learning, or education like the regular education system, private, public? What do I do when my kid is refusing to go to school? What do I do when my child loves learning but school is sucking the life out of them? What do I do when it's now impacting my child's mental health, and so many questions. And obviously, this is something I've been passionate about for the last decade, and I thought I would just do a whole episode on it. It is a big episode, and there is lots to cover, so I am going to be answering specific questions. I'm going to be sharing stories from mums who have been so gracious in writing in and some of my unfiltered personal thoughts. And then I'm also going to give you a little bit of a framework and some questions for you and your family to ask yourselves, so that you can choose the right school, the right approach, the right pedagogy, all of those things I'm going to give as well, and I'm also going to, like I said, give some of my very unfiltered thoughts. Now, before I do that, I'm going to just pre frame this whole conversation with choosing the correct school and system and approach for your child is such a personal thing. It is so deeply nuanced. And while I am the first person to rant and rave and stand on my soapbox and say the Australian education system, and not just the Australian many of the Western world countries, many of the OECD nations, have an education system that leaves a lot to be desired, I go so far as to say, the Australian education system is broken. I don't believe it's working for the children. I don't believe it's working for the teachers. I don't believe it's working for the principals, and I don't believe it's working for family. And in the very same breath, I also have so much experience, so much anecdotal evidence, from myself, from friends, from colleagues, from past colleagues, and I will still say to anyone who asks me, teaching was the best job in the world, but the system is broken. This is not a dig on individual educators. This is not a dig on individual schools. There are incredible schools, there are incredible programs, there are incredible educators who, as a majority, just want to be left to fucking teach. And that was the biggest heartbreak for me. Teaching is always has been, and always will be at my core. I believe what I'm put here on this planet to do, to teach, to speak, to learn. I love it, and it was so heartbreaking to realize that I was leaving a system that actually took away how much I got to teach, because it has become such an administrative role. It has become so many extra things, and the role of teaching is almost like this. In my opinion, it felt like something that you got to do when all of your other jobs were done, your reporting, your admin, your lesson planning, your fucking photocopying, your all of the things. And it was like, fucking just let me teach. I just want to teach. I just want to be with my students. So anyway, that was my two cents. But like I said, I am very damning of the Australian education system. And in the same breath, I wholeheartedly love it in the same breath, I adored my students. I looked forward to walking into my classroom every day. I lived for those conversations with my kids, my students, my relationships kept me fucking going, and I still to this day, I catch up with most of my students, and I miss them. I said to one of them just last week, fuck, I missed you. I gave her a big hug, and I was like, I miss you so much. She's like, you know, missed you. Ever think of going back? And I said, yeah, all the time, all the time, all the time. I love it. And that doesn't mean that there isn't some huge progress that we could make to make it better. So my little pre frame is that this might sound like a damning conversation, and I also believe that with the right context and with the right support, people around your children, despite the system, it can be the most rewarding, nourishing, connecting, intimate spaces of learning, of creativity, of all of the good things as well. But I'm still going to stand on my soapbox and say we need to fucking do better. And I totally understand why so many parents are now choosing to go homeschooling. That has doubled, I believe, in the last few years, and it's I totally understand that at the same time. So that's just my little bit of context. Now, the other bit of context before I provide personal opinions and a lot of information about choosing the right system, excuse me, I am very much refluxing at the moment. This baby must have a lot of hair, so the personal or professional context, I will add is that I personally have come from quite a private education system, so most of my experience is within the Catholic or Anglican education system. As a student, I did 13 years at a Catholic College, and then I taught at Anglican, mostly Anglican private schools. I did do some public school work when I was building my business, and I worked in quite a few different public schools. Since having my business, I've worked with a few public schools as well. Going to do like wellbeing presentations and things like that. And I've noticed a few things that have really influenced my beliefs. The other thing that I'll say, just as the Australian education system as a whole, that has also influenced my beliefs and my perspectives, is that I have got quite a bit of tertiary education, two different Australian universities, one Canadian. And so I have got quite a holistic picture of the education system, not just as schooling years, but also, what are we preparing them for? Is it the right thing? Are we doing the right thing to prepare them for tertiary education? Are we pushing too many of them towards tertiary education? Is tertiary education a scam? Honestly, like this is such a big conversation, and I'm trying to do it justice in the short amount of time that we have, but at the. End of this episode, if you have more questions, more thoughts, this is something that I am so happy to continue talking about, because I think it is so important. And clearly lots of parents are looking for answers. So like I've said, again, this is a very personal subject. No one, and I will say this a million times, no one is an expert in your child. No one has your specific family values, your working relationship. Maybe one of you is working, maybe two of you are working. Maybe you're in a single home. Maybe you have different values to the person next door to you. Maybe your child is different and learns different and has different skills and zones of genius. And so, like I've said, this is a very personal subject. I will give you some broad overviews of what I think would be the guiding principles to select the right scenario for you and your family. But I always want you to apply this, knowing that you're the expert and nobody else is the expert in your child your family. So the rant that sparked the outrage. The rant that sparked the outrage was that I found out that West Australia is starting this program, this pilot program, where for free, which is, you know, that's great. There are a few schools around Western Australia that are going to roll out full time kindy that will begin in term one next year, and this is going to provide more children with full time, apparently, play based learning, with the intention to have them school ready. So my outrage from that, which was, obviously, I didn't really do a lot of research. I just saw it, and I was like, what my first thought was, why would we put four year olds in full time, five days a week school when we already have a system that is buckling we already don't have enough teachers. We already know that the system is not producing great results. Personally, for me, I'm like, if it ain't working, why would I send them more obviously, since doing a little bit more research, I'm like, Okay, it's a very nuanced conversation. There's a lot more to it than that. But for me, I was like, it's not working. It's broken. There's a shortage of stuff. I highly doubt it will be play based, as they suggest. And if it's to get them school ready, my fear is it's to get them nap plan and standardized test ready and sitting at desks ready, but that was my little opinion. And so why I came to that instant like, what? Why would we send our kids, four year olds, to full time school in a system that's already broken? Let me give you a little bit of an overview of what other bits and pieces have influenced my belief that the system is broken. So we currently have a teacher shortage. It has gotten worse since covid. It is very, very bad. In fact, Australia is above the OECD average in 2024, 42% of lower secondary school principals reported that their school had teacher shortages, and that is almost double the OECD average, right? So that's pretty bad. 42% of lower secondary schools don't have enough teachers. 58% of that is from public schools. And so there is, and this is another conversation, and it's something for you to consider when you're choosing the school for your child. There is a huge disparity in Australia in terms of equity and access to quality education that really is dependent on whether you're public or private, and the environment or the locale that your school is in huge, huge, huge disparity. And that is something I'll talk about in a moment. I've done a lot of research in my years about comparative studies between the Australian education system and the better ones in the world, and that is one of the main differences. Australia has a very large equality problem in terms of what kind of access to quality education you're going to get based on economic factors, socio economic factors, all of those things. So 58% of the shortages were in public schools. Now, just to add to that sort of landscape of teacher shortages, it's a real problem keeping teachers so most teachers actually leave the profession within their first five years. And this has a few impacts, if you think about it like one, there's such a big shortage, people are leaving really fast. There's not a lot of career satisfaction. I'll talk about that in a moment. But what that means is the Australian Government is actually allowing unqualified students, so students of bachelors of education at uni to come in and take on full time class loads, because they just need teachers and they're not fully qualified. Again, I don't know if that's necessarily a huge problem, because in my opinion, you become a better teacher by being in the fucking classroom, not by being in the books, learning about some pedagogy that you've never had the opportunity to apply. So for me, I'm. Actually, like, cool, get them in the classroom. Like half of the education degree is an absolute load of wank. And that. That's just another personal opinion about most of our most of our tertiary degrees. I don't recommend most of my high school students go to uni unless they fully know what they want to do. They've got a career in mind that needs a degree, not that they're just going there, because that's a whole nother conversation. Anyway, I might do that for another episode, but so teachers are leaving now. The other thing is, there is a very high workload, poor working conditions, teacher stress and burnout is at an all time high. Now, for me as a as a teacher, that fucking sucks. But as I think about it, from a parent's perspective, I don't want my child's teacher to be burnt out. I don't want my child's teacher to be unsatisfied in her job. I don't want or his job. I don't want my child's teacher to be grudging through the day, just trying to get a break, busting to pee and has a short fuse. I don't want that. No parent wants that. We want the best, most well, most engaged educators for our children. But these educators are just in a system where they're, like, crawling to the finish line and again, like, it's just not working. And so that's like, the professional landscape and what we're dealing with. So you can see why I was like, what we're going to add, kindy, where are these teachers coming from, and why would we put kids in more school? Because also, student results aren't great. So just over, this is wild to me, just over half of Australian students, half achieved the national proficiency standard. So half, around half, are proficient in maths and about 57% in reading. So a significant like when you think about half the students are getting to year 12 and failing to demonstrate that they have more than basic skills. And if the purpose of education is to get them ready in an academic sense, but we're not actually achieving that result or not doing it well, even though, I might add, I've seen headlines, it's so funny how data can be constructed. It's like Australia performs in the top 10 of OECD nations, and it's like, yeah, but we're still ninth, and that still means half a failing. Like, look at the whole picture, and those from wealthier backgrounds always outperform, not always, mostly outperform students from less privileged families. So again, it's there's a real equity problem with education standards in Australia. Now that's kind of just really quickly touching on the academic landscape, which, in my opinion, leaves a lot to be desired. What I found super interesting, too, was when we look at more of an emotional, social wellbeing perspective, it actually gets even worse. So there is, and this is just one metric. It doesn't have to be the be all and end all, but there is an assessment that is done every few years of 15 year old students in in all OECD nations. It's called the PISA Program for International Student Assessment. And in the results, the latest results for that Australian students actually reported higher rates of bullying and a greater sense of feeling unsafe at school compared to other countries. And that was actually put down to a few things, disciplinary climate. So this one I found super interesting. And I must say there were a few schools that I worked at where I was actually baffled at how true this statement is. So the PISA said many students reported that they don't listen to the teacher, get distracted by digital resources, or that there is noise and disorder in class. And so the disciplinary climate isn't always on point, and honestly, it's probably because one teacher is trying to keep teach 33 children who all have individual needs, and it's actually not going to work. So the disciplinary climate is challenging, and that climate links to academic performance. That makes sense, right? So, a positive disciplinary climate leads to less bullying, which is then linked to stronger academic performance, but because we have a lower disciplinary climate, we have more bullying, and that is also it's obvious, right? When there's more bullying, the kids aren't paying attention to what's to the content to the subject, and so they're going to fall behind academically. There is also a little bit of what they've called a wellbeing crisis. So the piece of results highlight a growing wellbeing crisis for Australian students, particularly among girls and high levels of anxiety which are connected to digital devices. That is another thing that just baffles my fucking brain. How soon and how early we get these little kids on their iPads and on their screens, and we get them using laptops and using their iPads and all of this fancy stuff, and then when they get to their. Had 10 to 12 exams. It's all handwritten with a pencil, and they're fucking cramping, and they don't remember how to write for three hours, even though their exams are three hour written. And it's like, make it make sense. Choose one, and we know the research on screens. My belief is that we should stick to handwriting. I know that sounds old fashioned, but let's be honest, so many, if we think about like General 40, 5060, year olds, they didn't have screens, they didn't have screens at school, and they're still addicted and know how to use screens, they're not going to miss an essential skill by just delaying screen time a little bit longer. You can pick that up pretty fast, and they're going to get screen time. It doesn't have to be done as much as it currently is inside the classroom, when we know it increases distraction, we know it's increased to a lack of concentration. We know it's increased it increases anxiety. And so there's just so many like contradictions, bring in iPads, bring in it, and yes, that is amazing to a point, but not when it actually detracts from their ability to write and focus with a pen. When we're getting them ready for year 10 to 12 exams, and even universities that still write three hour exams, the skill is there's a disconnect. So anyway, that's another little side rant, but anyway, you can kind of see why when you look at that landscape, academically bullying, well, being, discipline, all of these things. It's not really working. So when I heard that this pilot program is going to make it accessible for four year olds full time, I was like, why on earth would you do that? Now, granted, I understand. It's a, not compulsory love that not compulsory. B, it's free. So I can understand for parents who either have to return to work or want to return to work, this might be a bit of a oh, thank the Lord. There is free childcare. It might be preparing my child for school. It is apparently play based. I don't have to pay for it. Amazing that can work for some families. My argument on social media was, this is an economic issue as well. If parents have to return to work, because most of the time, it is unlikely that we can survive economically with a family and one person's income like we used to both parents are now having to return to work, and from what I'm hearing, many mothers don't actually want to, but they have to. And what I was saying is, fix the economic problem. This should not be an economic decision. To send your child to school if you want to, amazing, if it works for you, great. If you want to return to work and you're totally okay with your child, four year old, being in full time school, essentially. Then amazing, like I said, nuanced. There's lots of different scenarios. But for me, my initial knee jerk reaction that sparked this rage on my stories was the system's not working. Why do more of it like fix the system, fix the economy, fix the system, before we jam kids in there for longer now. To add to all of that, that was the landscape of Australia. What a lot of my research was really intrigued. I was very intrigued while I was in the system about, okay, like, I've heard people argue. I've heard people say things like, Oh, could be worse, look at America's system, or could be worse. It look at whatever. And I'm like, Could be worse is that the standard we want to hold for our children, for our next generation, for fucking education. Like to me, education is one of the pillars and cornerstones of society we need highly. Education is the antidote to so many issues, to poverty, to domestic violence, so many things. Education is the answer, and we don't want to hold a standard that is could be worse. So I go, okay, cool, that I'm not even listening to that argument. Because to me, I don't want that to be the standard. I want to look at the best education systems in the world and say, What are they doing? How can we follow their standard? I'm not going to look at something that's more broken than ours and go, Oh, could be worse. So for me, I've always done a lot of research and comparison between Finland, who performs really well before I go into this, it's very hard to have a quote best school system in the world, because different countries obviously excel in different areas, and what one person deems the best will depend on your values. Some people will say the best is the one that gives the best academic performance. Some people would say the best country is the one that delivers student wellbeing or equity. So it's really hard to have an overall like this is the best in the world, because it's again, dependent on your values. But countries like Singapore and Finland are frequently sort of cited as being the higher academic performance, specifically Singapore for that one. And then Finland is often noted in a lot of these conversations as having a really strong emphasis on equality. Energy and well being. So I do a lot of I've done a lot of looking into Finland. Personally, for me, it has a lot of things that I think are amazing for the betterment of society. And so when we look at higher performing systems, there are a few key proponents that make it so different to Australia. And one of those things actually is they start later. Typically, when people start later, it actually creates better outcomes. And this isn't always just because they've started later. Like I said, it's such a nuanced conversation. But often in those countries, rather than going to school early, kids are spending time with their parents and culturally. In some of these countries like Finland, there is an almost agreeance that play based learning is incredible for student outcomes. And even in those countries like Finland, there is an emphasis on play based learning, whereas in ours there is a lot of emphasis on standardized test tracking, streaming, all of that kind of stuff. So I just found it really interesting that we're saying our system is broken. We don't have enough teachers. Students are going backwards. But hey, let's make it available for four year olds. And like I said, that might be a good thing for some people, but my initial reaction was like, why would you do that? Because comparatively, like I said, I look at schools and countries like in Finland, they typically have to start compulsory formal school at the age of seven. We are five and now making it available to four year olds. That is a whole extra three years, and that is in the most formative, important time of a child's life. The first seven years are the formative years. It's where they create so many neural connections. It's where their development is going off the fucking charts. It's where they learn connection. It's where they learn really, there's a quote I love it. It's like, show me a child in his first seven years, and I will tell you the man he will become, because most of our programming is done in those first seven years. And imagine how much more rich it can be if we spend those three years doing those really important connection, emotional regulation, all of the things that create the building blocks to access and engage with academia later, if you can't connect, if you can't regulate your emotions, if you don't understand any of those formative things, accessing education later is going to be even harder. There was actually a study, a Danish study by Thomas D and it was a one. It was a study called the gift of time, and what they found is that a one year delay in starting school reduced inattention and hyperactivity. They were looking at ADHD, sort of symptoms, and what they found was just delaying by one year can increase their ability to concentrate and dramatically reduce inattention. They also suggested that by delaying education, by delaying the school starting age by one year, it improved self regulation when they're older, which can link to better academic performances and benefits. So again, this isn't about delaying their academic education. It's about setting them up for even better greater success with academia, because they've learned those foundational skills in the first seven years. So this may help to make decisions for your child if they're below the age of seven, below the age of six. And all I want to say, My heart breaks if you're listening and you're like, this sucks because I have to send him, her to daycare, to school, to kindy. There's no other option. I fucking feel for you. And what I will say is the positive in all of this, as much as I'm highlighting all these negative impacts, the positive in all of this, and all of the research will will support this, your role as a mother, as a father, your role as a parent, and the work that you do at home, the work that you do in giving them those self regulation skills in role modeling healthy behaviors that is still more important and far more wide reaching than anything that happens at school. The parent is the number one influencer, and so even if you're like, oh my gosh, I have to send them. There's no other option. That's why I keep saying we need to fix this from an economic perspective, so that school doesn't become an economic decision, but a decision for each individual family to engage with if they want to, not because they need to. So that's all I'll say about that. And what I'll say for you, if your child is younger for their cohort, and you're sort of thinking, you know, maybe they're the youngest in the intake, there may be some merits to delaying a formal start. And that's kind of what the research would suggest, especially if you're using that time to focus on self regulation and attention. And even if you don't delay, which maybe you can't, maybe your context and you know, environment says that there's a reason you can. Or maybe you don't want to just designing the first year of schooling for self regulation, for play and for prioritizing social and emotional development can actually help to offset academic disadvantages later. So like I said, your role as the parent is always going to be number one. And then when you're choosing the school that is the correct sort of developmental curriculum for the ages, I'd be asking questions about how much they prioritize play, how many programs and initiatives they have for social and emotional connection and development at that age, before the age of seven. So hopefully that's a little bit of a practical thing that you can take away from that, but that is really sort of highlighting and explaining why that pilot program, for me at first was like, Well, that's an interesting choice from the Australian Government. Why not fix the problem? So anyway, that was my sort of overall rent, and that led to a lot of questions and a lot of stories. One of the stories that I actually took a screenshot of because I thought, well, this really highlights or exemplifies the problem sometimes with starting earlier our eldest at kindy. Sorry, our eldest started kindy at three. He didn't turn four until June, and was suspended that same year for being, quote, immature, for his age, for pretending to be a dinosaur when the deputy principal was trying to talk to him. So if you're being in trouble for pretending, which I would say is a creative developmental norm at that age, you know, pretending play that is such a beautiful thing, if you're being told off for that thing that is developmentally appropriate and beneficial, that's where there's some issues, right? That just blew my brain a three year old being suspended for pretending to be a dinosaur wild. So that was, there's been so many stories and so many stories that I've got that are really reflective of the system and why so many parents ended up asking me to talk on home schooling and different alternative options. So another story that I got was, and this really highlights such a hard task for so many teachers and parents. This lady says, My son is severely autistic, and sits in what we call the gray area where he didn't qualify for special ed due to not quite having an intellectual disability. But then he really struggles in mainstream, to the point he is now on a medical exemption because of the significant trauma, burnout and regression mainstream schooling Put him through. It's been absolutely awful, and this really it just breaks my heart, for the child, for the family, for the teachers. Like I can honestly say I remember having a classroom once that truly it was the beginning of my end. I had a full classroom of year sevens, and I had them for a double period on a Monday or a Wednesday, and I dreaded it, because there was 33 of them. About five were extremely high needs. About two or three were very, very bright and needed extension. And then there was just like 25 in the middle, and you had two hours to try to control them with no support, two hours to try to teach, but mostly what you were doing was a little bit of behavior management and calming down after lunch. And it was a zoo. It was a zoo. And honestly, I was not qualified. That's the other thing. When you have children who have so many intense special needs, so many extra diagnoses, that's not something that the regular classroom teacher is properly qualified in. I would argue that there needs to be so much more training and specialization and so many smaller classrooms. That's something that I'll get to. But I feel for everyone involved. And like I say, the system's not working. The system is not working, and it's a very difficult one to try to fix, because, like I said, it's economic, it's political, it's cultural, it's so many different things that are adding to this shit storm. But it really is a shit storm. And so thank you for sharing your stories. I think that this is just such an important conversation, and this conversation did actually create a lot of questions come into my DMs. So I'm going to stop this episode here now and break it up. So next week's episode, I'm answering listener questions. I'm talking about how to get your child engaged in school when it's sucking the life out of them. I'm answering my thoughts and a bit of research around alternative models, home schooling, Montessori, public versus private, and a bit of a framework that you will be able to apply to make the correct and informed decision for you and your family. This is the same sort of framework and conversation that my husband and I are having at the moment with a child coming into the world. So I'll share all of that next week on part two. I hope you enjoyed this part one, and it gives you something to think about, or at least some data and some research, some evidence, some opinions to kind of marinate on before we get to all the different models and listener questions that I will be answering in part two next week. Thank you for tuning in to the mind school podcast, it is a massive intention of mine to continue to grow this show, because the more the show grows, the better the guests get, and I know that is going to be so powerful for you listening. So if I could ask this massive favor, it would mean the world if you could please leave a review, hit the Follow button or leave a rating on Spotify, so that we can continue to grow this show and bring you the juiciest, most thought provoking and expansive conversations through incredible guests. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see you next week. You.