Indiana Unknown

The Burger of Death

March 06, 2020 Jason Frazier Season 2020 Episode 8
Indiana Unknown
The Burger of Death
Indiana Unknown
The Burger of Death
Mar 06, 2020 Season 2020 Episode 8
Jason Frazier

I talk with Amanda Woomer of Spook Eats about the Death Seat Burger, the Ghostlight Theater, cryptids, and more. Plus we discuss her book, A Haunted Atlas of Western New York: A Spooky Guide to the Strange and Unusual.

Find Amanda at:
Twitter: @SpookEats
Facebook: Spook-Eats
Instagram: Spook_Eats
YouTube: Spook-Eats

Find A Haunted Atlas of Western New York at Amazon.

Show Notes Transcript

I talk with Amanda Woomer of Spook Eats about the Death Seat Burger, the Ghostlight Theater, cryptids, and more. Plus we discuss her book, A Haunted Atlas of Western New York: A Spooky Guide to the Strange and Unusual.

Find Amanda at:
Twitter: @SpookEats
Facebook: Spook-Eats
Instagram: Spook_Eats
YouTube: Spook-Eats

Find A Haunted Atlas of Western New York at Amazon.

spk_1:   0:50
Welcome to Indiana unknown. I'm your host, Jason Fraser. Today I've got Amanda Woolmer's book, Eats herself. She's gonna talk to us about food, ghosts, travel and her new book, A Haunted Atlas of Western New York. Amanda, welcome to the show.

spk_0:   1:12
Thank you so much for having me.

spk_1:   1:13
It's a pleasure. Very much a pleasure. All right, First off, right out of the bet. Um, this is a professional question. Um, when my grip was doing investigations and I dont efficiency investigations were more ghost hunters. Toward the end, we stopped investigating. We're just going from personal experiences. Sidetrack. Sorry. But anyway, when we were still doing that, we got into a ritual of eating Mexican food before the investigations. And that led to a lot of interesting EVP sessions. False positives. What Mexican food will d'oh! And in your professional opinion, is that a good idea? And what should we eat before it goes? That

spk_0:   2:04
Oh, as you were starting this, I was like, Well, yeah, Mexican beforehand. Solid tradition. I like it. Ah ha. But for me, I always liked toe be a little conscientious of what I'm eating. When I'm out on an investigation or prior to an investigation just because you might have, Ah, location that may or may not have a functioning bathroom or it's been there, Done that. Not fun at all. Oh, s. So I always like to go with Booth that I know are like 1000% safe. I tried and true, they're good to go, and they're also hardy. So I'm not looking for a snack in the middle of an investigation. Um, which makes it super difficult. Starting spooky. It's because it is a little bit a mixture of investigating, but also food and eating at the same time. So a lot of people think there was a like to world that shouldn't meet, but it's spooky. It's we do kind of forced them to collide, but again trying to do it carefully because you don't want to get those those negative or false responses and, uh, false recordings when you think you caught something amazing, like a growl or something and it turns out just be indigestion. Good times, very

spk_1:   3:26
tree, that is. We learned the hard with. They do go hand in hand, and we continue to do the midst Mexican thing for quite a long time. So I have always wanted to ask somebody that you were like, the first professional I had a chance to do. Combine the two. It was like, what were we thinking? Is that right? Are we wrong?

spk_0:   3:44
On every so often? I do regret it. Like I'll order something in, like, an hour later. I'll be like, Oh, God, why? Why did I add the extra cheese?

spk_1:   3:52
I mean, the same thing when you're hungry. I mean, the stomach girl, you know, recorders picked it up,

spk_0:   3:59
and you have to, like, tag it in front of everyone. Like, be like that was my stomach, everyone. Yes, I'm starving. Moving along.

spk_1:   4:06
I said that more than my fair share, but maybe he's a car. Jason Stomach? Yeah.

spk_0:   4:14
Yeah, I think it happens to everyone. I'd like to. I'd like to think that at least

spk_1:   4:19
I think so. I think they cut it out of a lot of the shoes. Yeah, I think it has to. So, you guys do in, um, you just do combine food and and it goes tending. So let's talk about the food first. Um, what's been your favorite place so far? Is it is that there are New Yorkers have been when you've been traveling

spk_0:   4:38
it. I feel ashamed to say this. It's not in New York. I feel like I'm turning my back on my home state. Oh, it's actually for me, my favorite place that I have gotten. It's new, a spooky place where I've gotten an incredible meal was in New Jersey, So almost New York, but not quite so Over in New Jersey, there's a place called the Old Canal in. It's this awesome dive bar in the middle of the neighborhood, and it's home to the death seat. And there's this huge urban legends surrounding this cursed chair that if you sit in it, you die of a heart attack and the owners and said, I'm trying to hide the fact that people have died in the establishment. After sitting on this evil chair, they decided to make a burger out of it and that you call the death seat burger platter, and it is amazing. I was not convinced that first, because it's a lot of like funky combinations on a burger, and I'm not ah, huge combo fan I like. I like my meat on one side of the plate in my potatoes, on the other, the veggies up there. But this guy is Ah, huge burger with mashed potatoes on top, Um, cheddar cheese and jalapeno peppers. And the whole thing is beer battered and deep fried. Yes, yes, it's ridiculous. And I always jokes, angle, You know, if you don't sit in the death seat and die of a heart attack, you're probably gonna die of a heart attack after eating this ridiculous burger. But it was so good as one of the best burgers I've ever had in my life, and it was just so unique to find a place that took they're ghost story and decided to 100% market it and turn it into a dish. I don't see that in too many places. And I ate that up. Unintended.

spk_1:   6:26
Wow, that's awesome. And you're still here. So no heart attack.

spk_0:   6:30
Exactly. I laugh. I survived, so it's fine.

spk_1:   6:33
She bought the chair in the burger. I don't think I've put anything. Were to run a burger than, you know, an egg fried egg. Never had the potatoes that actually sounds in fried. Everything's fried.

spk_0:   6:46
Oh, it's no good. So, like I was I was a leap of faith for me, and the owner was like, trust me and I I tip my hat off to him. He he knew what he was talking about.

spk_1:   6:57
Well, okay, so the food there is awesome. So how was the investigation? There

spk_0:   7:03
it was again. It was awesome. Not many places you go to are really open Thio talking about their hauntings. A lot of times they want to kind of hide it underneath the carpets and in the closets. They don't want to talk about it because it gives what they imagine is negative press. But this place 100% just owns it, and they have the death seat still out in the open. It's now kind of like, chained off, so people don't sit in it. But just this story is that the owner had surrounding not only the death seat, but also like the kitchens. He said that he saw the ghost of the previous owner kind of burst through the kitchen doors as if he was frustrated about something in the kitchen. And it was clear as day that he saw this down in the basement. You know, things happened down there where you know, flashlights will explode and light bulbs will explode, which makes him think that there's some sort of vortex or portal down there. Every single staff member has, AH, story to share, and they're willing to share it with you again, which is not something that you always see. So I that's my favorite thing about doing spooky. It is actually going to talk to the people, especially if it's not Ah ah famously haunted restaurant where they don't get to talk about these things all the time. But as soon as you bring it up, the floodgates open and they're just ready to share everything. And it's always fun to get to know not only the owners and the chefs, but also the bartenders and the wait staff. Everyone has a story, and they're always different stories because they're always in different parts of the restaurant, and a lot of times they might be alone or they're in a crowded area and things still happen to them. And it's just really interesting to see that no matter where you are in a building, whether it's empty or completely full, you still have these strange experiences that lead to a haunted location. And it's just if you have to eat somewhere, you might as well eat at a haunted location because of nothing else. It's more interesting.

spk_1:   9:01
That's true. That's great. I mean, you've got you've got everybody that works there, too. While you're doing your investigation to talk to you, it's not just one person that you're getting their you know their perspective of the haunting or what's going on there. Get the entire wait staff. It's That definitely helps in it.

spk_0:   9:20
Yeah, absolutely, Absolutely.

spk_1:   9:22
Okay, Well, not too long ago, you all also went over to Europe on a trip. What you get over their food wise. Did you get some decent grub while you were there? And it was it a complication as well?

spk_0:   9:36
Oh, so so much good for so he spent three weeks in England, Scotland and Wales. We just rented a car and drove throughout. The country didn't die in the process of driving on the opposite side of the car on the opposite side of the road, so that was good. But I just applaud the hospitality of the UK and how it treats its historic buildings. Almost every single place we ate in was, Ah, historic pub and you would be asking questions about the building and they would say, Oh, yes, you know, it dates to the 12th century, but it's not the oldest in town on you're like, Oh, of course it's not No silly, silly make thinking. The 11 hundreds was the oldest, and it was just I mean, the people there so, so friendly, and I think that I don't know if it's because just historically speaking, it's the buildings have been around for so much longer or if it's just the culture. But people there are just totally accepting of the fact that all yeah, the pub is haunted by, you know, six ghosts, a kid, two ladies and three guys like they'll just talk about it as if they're telling you, like what the weather is like outside. And it's not like they're taking these buildings and knocking on down. So many historic buildings in America are knocked down and turned into condominiums or shopping malls, or they're so preserved that it's almost impossible to access them. And I think that the UK has really found a way to find that perfect sweet spot off. Having these places open to the public while also respecting the history that's there, whether it's haunted or mundane from one of my favorite places we went to was the Golden Fleece in York. And according to the history as I was talking to the bartender, he said that across the street was the famous cynical way, the shambles. This street was the inspiration for Diagon Alley and Harry. Water like that just gives you like a visual of what it really looks like, and I get the shambles used to be kind of like the butcher's area, so the blood from the butcher's would roll down the shambles and basically create a puddle at the base of the doorstep of the Golden Fleece. And it's supposed to be supposedly all many pubs had this claim, but it's the most haunted pub in York. Um, it's hard to tell which one when there's about 12 of them that claim it. But I'll take the Golden Fleece because I actually went in. Um, they have the skull of an executed noble on display right next to the bar, just like in America. You wouldn't even say anything like that. Yeah, but over there, there I can Yeah, we put him in a case. There is a fine, um, and it's just you walk in and just the history. Just the look of the building is so unique and different than anything that we see in America. Then you throw in the history of the place. Then you throw in the hauntings of the place, and it's just it's wiles on. Every town has multiple places like that, whether it's an inn or a pub or just a regular restaurant. It was almost overwhelming. Every single day we ate at at least one if not two haunted restaurants or pubs, and I lost count of all the places we went to, Um, and it was just it was just filled with so much history and such good food. I know there's like a stereotype against British food. I I loved it. Um, my husband and I, we tried haggis everywhere we went in Scotland, you had thio, um, and so like we were like connoisseurs of hag. It's everywhere we went. We had to try it. So I'm always my rules. Always one in Rome. If you're traveling to a city or traveling to a location that has a specific thing that they eat. You gotta try it at least once. You don't know if you don't like it through unless you try it. So dried Agassi not in like I'm not in a rush to try it again, but it wasn't nearly as bad as one would expect us to be.

spk_1:   13:44
There was kind of overall. Was it the same or did you have Good hag is bad. Hug is

spk_0:   13:50
yes, it's very reached, its very regional. There were some places where you're like this came out of can. This is awful on. There were other places where, like I like they're making this right now. I can see it and it was amazing. I described it to other people. It's very similar to stuffing at Thanksgiving. Very bready. Um, it's if you don't think about what you're eating, it's good. But as soon as you start thinking like Oh, this is like organs cooked in a sheep's stomach. It's kind of weird then, then it gets really disgusting really fast. But it was really interesting to see how you know the lowlands of Scotland's haggis differed from the highlands of Scotland. Haggis on end Burrows was different from Inverness is and Inverness is was different from Sterling's. Um, so I'll be brave if you ever go to Scotland and got to go to the Golden Fleece that's in England, actually, up in the the drovers in up in Scotland. Go and get their haggis. They have it on all their hamburgers is great.

spk_1:   14:51
Yeah, My last name is Frasier. So do

spk_0:   14:55
you think about

spk_1:   14:55
that? Is on my bucket list to get over there versus Gore? Jeff means strawberry pickers so wear from the highlands. So I

spk_0:   15:05
mean, but that makes sense. French word for strawberries phrase that makes sense. That's so I'm sure anyone who's an Outlander fan is obsessed with your last name. I'm just going to say that right now, because that's the that's ah, that's the dashing young man's last name. So fun fact. Yeah, you D'oh!

spk_1:   15:23
Uh, there's some time travel in there, right? So it's kind of all right. Okay, That's a good enough excuse to watch it. All right. Aside. No said no. All right, so I take it you guys, But I didn't want to come home after just three weeks cash now? Yeah, that I gotta figure out how to get it. I'm also afraid to fly, so I gotta figure out,

spk_0:   15:48
as you say, a boat might take a little while.

spk_1:   15:50
It's not e handle that you did a really good job of selling Europe so

spk_0:   15:56
good. I'm glad I love it over there. So you got to get you got to go. Especially if your last name is Frasier. Come on.

spk_1:   16:04
Well, closer Back to home. You just released your book. A haunted efs can't talk a haunted atlas of Western New York. Um, how's that going? I mean that it looks like it's taken off pretty good.

spk_0:   16:17
It's surprisingly well received. As I was writing it, I wasn't sure if anyone other than close friends and family would really buy it out of obligation to me. Um, so I was kind of mostly writing it for myself because I figured if no one else reads it, but I like it and I find it useful, then a job well done. Um, but basically, for listeners who haven't gotten a copy of it yet, basically, it's a survey or an atlas of all the different haunted locations throughout western New York. There's eight counties in western New York that I've included. There's over 100 and 30 chapters in the book that include haunted locations as, well, a some urban legend. Some crypt IDs because I am also obsessed with crypt IDs and Western New York, surprisingly, has some interesting ones. So I was happy to include some of those in there, and it's got coordinates, and you can find these places. It's got walking tours and driving tours. It's got a spooky bucket list in the back of books so you can try toe visit everything before you die. Not to be morbid, but it's been really successful A lot of the local haunted places throughout western New York that are featured in the book. They carry it in their gift shops there, just as excited about it as I am. Um, so far we've sold almost 500 copies, and I I was happy to hit 100 s o the fact that it's still it's still going. We're doing ghost hunts now with places featured in the book, as well as book signings and para cons. It's really taken off, and it's exciting to be able to share the local history with people who are from the area and people who aren't from the area. A lot of people who have bought it don't live in New York, much lost western New York, but they're they're still purchasing the book. They're still thoroughly enjoying it, and they've. It's actually giving them, like a desire to actually want to come out and see Buffalo and Western New York. So I consider that an added bonus. And if anyone ever lost to come out, I could be like an unofficial tour guide for you because I've been to all these places. I know how to find them. I know which ones are worth it and which ones aren't. But I won't tell you that. Well,

spk_1:   18:33
yeah, I usedto I used to travel. Actually, Connecticut quoted the work in. The last thing I wanted to do is drive to New York City, so I would come out of Pennsylvania and run up through, you know, up Bo Central New York. Yeah, and it's beautiful. It is gorgeous countries.

spk_0:   18:52
Yeah, people always think the same. New York and people always think of Manhattan. They always think of the city, and I'm like most of it is mountains and lakes and forests on a lot of farmland. Even so, it's a It's a really interesting, eclectic mix of geography where you have big, you know, big cities as well as beautiful, beautiful countryside.

spk_1:   19:15
Yeah, it's some of the prettiest places I've seen. I was. I was shocked the first time I went there. I did drive to New York City just to see it done. It wants in. It was I was. You come out of trees and then all of a sudden there's Manhattan. I mean, just that too far outside. I mean, you're in, you're in the country and it's it's gorgeous. And then, boom, You know, there's this gigantic city. It's it's amazing in the Hudson Valley, it's just beautiful limits. It's quiet. Asked the whole place, I would always had to. I was always in a hurry just to get over there, excited to get to work and not have a day or two to drive home. So I never got to explore. So I think like taking your book and going over there visiting a lot of these places would be one of my bucket, This thing. So you got at least one more seal. Perfect. And anybody else listening if you want. You know, obviously, if you're listening to me, you're interested in this stuff. So but, yeah, New York is gorgeous. If you want to head over there, this would be a good idea. So So how haunted is, obviously, if you get 100 some chapters. There's a lot of places over there. They're hunted. How is it, E?

spk_0:   20:23
I mean, I guess it doesn't have quite the reputation or history as other places in America. I think places like Salem and New Orleans and Gettysburg. Those cities are just They go hand in hand with ghost stories. You can't think of places like that without sinking off the hauntings. Um, and on the opposite side, buffalo people don't really think of as really old city, much less ah, haunted city. But in fact, it is one of the older cities in the country. Obviously, if you're just further east, the older the cities are. But there was a lot of action around here in the Nyad. Different here during the War of 18 12 is the big one, where there were actual battles fought during, you know, the French and Indian War and the American Revolution. You know, this area was, you know, a part of the war. But the War of 18 12. There are so many forts that are still left over from here. So many battle feels on actual burial sites that are directly linked to the War of 18 12. So I do think that that has a lot to do with the hauntings. A lot of times when I was doing research on locations, I would be researching one thing, and it would very quickly turn into a connection to the world of each and 12. Um so I do think because they're worse so many battles that were fought around here, that that just adds to the energy. On top of the fact, you also have the Niagara River. You have Niagara Falls and a lot of paranormal researchers and investigators think running water has a lot to do with, you know, stirring up energy. Um, if you are a believer of ley lines on ley lines run through western New York, so there's just a lot of different things, whether it's natural energies vs traumatic events that happened in the past that have kind of made western New York anon unexpected hot spot for strange and unusual activity. Whether or not it's a crypt, IDs or UFO sightings or ghost stories or just things that are completely unexplained.

spk_1:   22:37
What's the What's the weirdest scripted?

spk_0:   22:42
Okay, so the weirdest one, it boggled my mind. So I was researching and it's called the Sherman Beast. And at first, as I was researching, I thought was one thing, and it quickly transfer transformed into something else. So it's described as being 8 to 12 feet tall and all white. We also have an albino Bigfoot running around western New York's. That's what I thought. It was originally just the white Bigfoot Then. Then I read this eyewitness account that said that it walk on all fours, but it would stand on its hind legs, and it had these huge claws, and the person described it as being a giant sloth, and I just I just read that I was like slots aren't in western New York guys. Oh, yes, I saw in my research, I came across the map of worry, which is in South America and a lot of people think that that stems from the giantsloss, the giant ground sloths that ran through, not ran through that lumbered through North and South America, you know, 10,000 years ago and, you know, as they were dying out, humans were brushing contact with them. And so those stories transformed into them up in glory. So maybe the Sherman Beast is a leftover giant ground sloth. Some people think the reason why it's albino it's white is because of inbreeding, I don't know, but the most recent sighting of it was only in 2015. So fairly recent as scripted sightings go. A lot of them you read there from the 19 seventies or the 19 nineties. So it was It was very unique because I feel like we had Lake Monster is cause every lake needs a good lake monster on. We had Bigfoot sites because everyone's got Bigfoot sightings. But I thought the Sherman Beast as a giant ground toff was just it just it really It captured my attention, to say the least,

spk_1:   24:44
but yeah, I mean, you got Bigfoot. You've got the moth man, the devil. This is the first time I've ever heard about the giant ground sloth roaming around and and it actually makes somewhat sense from a I mean, you don't even really have to go to paranormal with it. I mean, the fact that it is albino like you said it could be a remnant that's white because of inbreeding unit. There's a really good scientific explanation for that. You don't have to get too far out there into the wound. Believe it. That's that's

spk_0:   25:16
exactly yeah, I was so excited when I when I started researching, I was like, This is really cool. Like it sounds bizarre, but it's actually, in my opinion, the most logical of all the crypt ins we've got here. So yes,

spk_1:   25:29
that was not expecting that.

spk_0:   25:32
I have. I startled you that you have

spk_1:   25:37
the giant I've always liked Sloss vehicle. And then the fact that you step big ones run around the idea that there's still one maybe left. That's that's interesting. All right. One more reason didn't go over to New York. So giantsloss giantsloss Lord. All right, well, what we're talking about, you know, weird things. Where's the love? And I know you brought it up the energy and stuff. You've obviously been in a lot of the haunted locations. Done a lot of investigating in your personal opinion. I mean, you don't know the speculation. What do you What do you think ghosts are?

spk_0:   26:16
Who? It's a good question. I've been asked it a couple times, and I'm still not 100% sure on. I think if anyone says that, there ever 100% sure, I think they're full of baloney, because I don't think any of us really know what what it is, what we're working with or what we're dealing with for me. I have a very personal connection with paranormal investigation. Um, that I will bring down this whole conversation by bringing it up in 2015. My brother passed away, and that was when my interest in the paranormal went from just innocent curiosity to, ah, very deep passion. And so, for me, you know, there's always that difference between the residual haunting and the intelligent haunting, you know, the residual haunting. A lot of times it's just the energy that's been absorbed. It plays on Repeat, um, I think that in general is kind of accepted by the masses in the paranormal community, whereas with an intelligent haunt. You know, some people argue with me that it's not even a dead person. It could be someone in a non alternate reality, and at that point it gets a little too woo for me. At least for now. I am having a hard enough time wrapping my mind around the fact that, like I'm talking to someone through a digital recorder, so but for me, I do think that it is communicating with people who have passed on. And I think it is partially to do with the fact that you know my brother is gone. So I like to think that something remains of you when you're gone. And for me, everything in the universe is in threes. Whether it's, you know, ice water, steam or you have the Holy Trinity or everything comes in threes. So the one that I present to people is the body, the spirit and the soul. So when you die, your body is done. It's the container. It you know, some people bury it. Some people cremate it. Um, that's over and done with. Perhaps the soul, you know, returns to the universe. Whether that's heaven for you or hell, if you're a bad person or just, you know the universe, you return to the energy and then you have the spirit. And I think the spirit is what makes you who you are. That's who you are connecting with when you are communicating with someone who has passed on. That's why you have some spirits that seem very, very friendly and willing to talk where you have ones that kind of are jerks and seem really cantankerous and grumpy. That's just their spirit. Maybe they were just a grumpy person in life. Um, so for me, that's what I I personally think that's kind of what you're working with is the spirit of a person not necessarily the sole cause. I think that upset some people where they're like, you know, why are you still here? Why didn't you go to heaven? Well, maybe the soul did goto heaven, but their personalities stayed behind. Maybe they have loved ones that are still here. That they're watching over or it was a traumatic event, and they have to try to work through their sudden and unexpected death. Um, I don't know. And I think that's what's exciting. Is that the more that you investigate and the more questions that you ask, sometimes you find answers. But usually those questions just lead to even more questions. So the journey is kind of never done As you're trying to experience an explorer and try desperately to find answers that you know you you probably never will find, Well,

spk_1:   30:01
that is amazingly well send. Thank you. Yeah. Um hey, don't don't feel bad about bringing down. That's exactly how I got into more involved. I guess I should say in paranormal ls And my father passed away and I had always kind of snickered at him a little bit because I was a skeptic and our group and everything to begin with. And, you know, he would listen to coast to coast AM. And I am constantly reading the Bible. Not so much from a Christian perspective that we did believe in God, but just two looking for answers in there. That may be, didn't you know other people didn't see in stuff? He was very into it. And after he went, you know that that's kind of what got me into this. And don't ever feel bad about that. They get a lot of people get into it that way and then be I love your idea of the three's Never heard that.

spk_0:   30:53
It's just that's what, like, kind of like, that's what helps me get through the night, right? Sort of saying, You know,

spk_1:   30:59
I'm kind of looking at it in my head as you're talking. I'm thinking, OK, so you get the body, you've got the soul. Maybe even the body and the soul come together. You've got a unique body. You've got a the soul. The spirit is the energy that comes out of the combination of, you know, the things, all sorts of different with that. But I like that. I do. Have you ever. So now you're you're talking to spirits will get with that on. Uh, have you ever tried to confirm that you are talking to did humans arguments that have passed on that you go over E v P. And I'm gonna ask you secretly, if your grass for a recipe, you know, since

spk_0:   31:36
we're talking about food, that that's great. That's great. No, I have not done that. But I am kind of one of those people that I tried not to bring up the fact that I think this person is dead. I'm just because in I would be concerned that it sounds socially. Maybe it's like the millennial and me talking, but I would be so concerned with traumatizing whoever I'm talking Thio. If they don't know that they're dead. And, like, I don't want to be that one to be like, How old were you when you died? How did you die? Do you know you're dead? So I always try to avoid those kinds of questions. Um, just because I I don't know. I don't want to upset whatever I'm talking to. I know it sounds so silly. I've never actually said it out loud, but I do. I try to I try to avoid that, And I tried to talk to them as if they're still alive on. And I try to avoid silly questions like, What's your favorite color or things like that? Because in my in my mind, I'm like this person. If I'm talking to them, has been around. They lived a life, you know, however long So they have that experience, then they've been dead for however many years. So they have that experience as well. I would be so offended if I've been around for 200 years and some schmuck comes in and asks feel My favorite color is I'm not gonna talk to you. Um,

spk_1:   33:07
I'm gonna quote Monty Python If that ever happens to me after I'm gone, maybe he'll read no blue and then scream and go away. So exactly. So

spk_0:   33:17
I just I try. I try to ask more interesting questions. At least I try. Every so often, you do run out of things to say. And you're like, This is a one sided conversation. I don't know what else to say. Um, but I have found that by asking Maur mature questions, I guess I'll say I do get a bit better responses. Um, sometimes they make sense. Sometimes they don't, um and that just makes me want to research either the location or the individual. More s O. I always consider it a win, but never asked for a recipe, though. So maybe next time.

spk_1:   33:56
I was kind of wondering if you knew what have we lost? Really good food dishes that, you know, maybe some of you have. It's a store we have, and that would be an easy way to prove it. Okay, maybe this person was really alive. Still not. Come right up to him. Go. Hey, dead guy. You know, you don't have to say, Yeah. What's your favorite food? How do you make that? You sure that with me? Um, you have never I don't think I've ever Well, no, I can't lie. I said that I have provoked before. It was because people asked him to. I never felt good about it. So A I really admire your stance on trying, trying not to offend. Um, I don't um yeah. Just I feel like we we've kind of plateau a little bit on investigative side, and I think we need new ideas on how to communicate more. I like that. You're looking for a different way to talk to them other than the standard. You know, like you said, What's your favorite color was When did you die? You know what year it is? Do you know? So that's that's helpful. Like that approach? Yeah. So what has been your biggest? I guess we're not reveal, I guess Discovery. What has been your favorite communication with the spirit. What? What's your biggest wow factor

spk_0:   35:28
for me? I've had some really cool experiences. I love E v P. I love holding EVP sessions. I love listening for E v. P's Put me in a room by myself and let me just ask questions all night long and I'm thrilled. Um and that's where I get the best results. I don't usually catch things on video or camera or anything like that. I'm not that lucky. I always get E v p. So I kind of like I know where I shine. I'm just gonna stick with it right now. Um,

spk_1:   35:57
speaking of me, do you find it dies when you pull the cameras out? Sometimes, like the activity if you're getting any that it does.

spk_0:   36:04
I've never experienced it personally. I've had other people on investigations with me that have unfortunately, not only had their cameras die, but they've also lost everything on those cameras right now. I

spk_1:   36:17
was saying that, like the activity itself Yeah, exactly. I've experienced When we pull the cameras out, everything stops. So I was wondering Yes. Okay.

spk_0:   36:24
Yeah, I like for me. Luckily, knock on wood that has not happened to me yet. Um, but for the best thing I've ever captured, quote unquote, it was at a local theater. It's in the book it's featured in the book on was called the Ghost Light Theater. It's a theater company that I've been a member of for 15 years now. I grew up being a part of it. My brother grew up being a part of it. And about two years after he passed away, I was there on a mini investigation with just a few of the, um, company members and I was walking through, and I did not go looking for my brother just because I know that's a slippery slope and could be dangerous. You don't wanna, you know, But all you're hoping something, and it doesn't happen, or it's not who you think it is. But in my mind, I was thinking, you know, if if my brother jet is gonna be anywhere tonight, he would be here. I'm here. His best friend is here. My mom is here s o. I just started talking really briefly. Just like Listen, dude, like if you let me know that you're okay, that's all. I need to know is that you're okay The whole time I'm recording on my digital recorder, and obviously at the time I didn't realize it. But while I was down in the basement, one of the areas that he would always play with, much to the annoyance of the owner of the computer, I got an EVP that sounded like his voice when he was about 11 years old. So several years before he passed away. And it sounds like he's saying I'm fine, like it just sounds like his voice. You hear an echo even in after the words. So it was that was amazing. And at that exact spot, my girlfriend who was taking pictures on her phone, she captured a photo of what looked like my brother at about 11 years old. Um, and it was just not only that, have it beat my brother, which is what I literally asked for five minutes beforehand, but to have two different pieces of evidence that two different people captured without knowing it, kind of come together so beautifully. It to this day it's still probably the best thing that I've ever captured and probably will ever capture. I don't know if anything can top that, but it was just absolutely amazing to see how the evidence kind of came together to create this one super powerful piece of evidence.

spk_1:   38:47
Oh, man, just the fact that that would be amazing no matter what. But just the fact that your brother, you know that it looks like him and sounds like him. And you could tell him that that has to make it that much more special. That that's good, that it's going

spk_0:   39:05
t o it helps to and like because you were saying, like how you know your father's passing was what really kind of got you into the paranormal. That's really the reason why I started spooky. It's was because in my search for answers about life and death of what comes next, I found that so many places were almost impossible to access for paranormal investigators. You know, you see places on TV like abandoned mineshafts, orphanages or abandoned hospitals, and these locations are impossible for your average everyday person to access. You have to be a ghost hunter on TV to get to any of these places. So that's why I really wanted to focus on haunted restaurants, bars and hotels, places that are already open to the public. They want you to come in, and a lot of times their stories and their claims are just a CZ interesting and kind of scary, as you know, the abandoned mine shaft or the abandoned orphanage, and you can go in and for the price of an appetizer or a pint of beer, you know you could possibly experience something for yourself and maybe find answers. I can't be the only one that's lost someone important to me on. Then question What comes next? Obviously, you've had those questions, too. So other people have to have those questions, and that's my hope of spooky. It's is that it provides places for people to go in the hopes that they might be able to find their own answers

spk_1:   40:31
I could, and doing it that way. You've probably discovered quite a few places that really haven't ever been investigated very often,

spk_0:   40:39
and that's my hope. There's so many places that are there on all the TV shows. They're featured on that, and they're on the top list. So, you know, on the Internet and it's been fun to highlight locations that aren't usually thought of as being haunted. And they're so appreciative off the fact that you know people are starting to acknowledge them and really appreciate them and enjoy them. Um, so it's been It's been great being ableto find kind, like the places off the beaten path. In a way, Yeah,

spk_1:   41:12
and meaning from a business perspective. It helps the local police, and plus you get some good food, which is such an awesome bonus. I think you hit on like the the Colton Triad of Perfect. Let's hear you. You're helping people out. You're getting good food and you're getting a ghost. Oh, so there's your three things. What could you possibly want? That's awesome. Well, you're gonna be You're talking about the theater a little bit ago. Is that where your next event is? It?

spk_0:   41:39
It is. Um, we're happy. We're hosting the very first official public ghost hunt at the Ghost Light Theater, and it's sold out in two and 1/2 days, so people are very, very excited. You know, we're gonna be able to access places that have used usually on Lee. Cast and crew members are allowed to go. So people will really be able to explore one of the buildings in western New York that is so near and dear to my heart. Andi. I hope it's awesome. I'm a little nervous because it's the first investigation, so you don't know if, like anything's gonna really happen or things. We're gonna kind of like a receipt a little bit, so we'll see. But I'm really hoping that it will be a success and that people will come to love this historic theater just as much as I do

spk_1:   42:30
about bringing, you know, bringing awareness to these historic places in noting the mouth is, Hey, that's one of the things I've loved about hunting myself is just even if nothing's happening. Just the architecture in the history of the camp is always there's always so much to see there and like you were talking about earlier, we do tear things down so much of here. I hate it. Yeah, we are. We went over to ST Louis area over the weekend to see my father in law. Had his birthday party was a later a leap your baby. So he's perfect. He was 18 this year, so but there's a little town

spk_0:   43:11
so can't drink. Yeah, I

spk_1:   43:14
know he's got 12 more years, but there's a little town over there. Call 11 and just not too far away from there. And they their buildings air exactly the way they were, You know, when that town was founded and they still got the the brick streets. It's gorgeous little town love, and I hate that, you know, more of our history hasn't been preserved. It's been torn down to make way for really, he said. Shopping centers and condominiums. And that's all the reasons I really want to get to Britain. But, yeah, I love that you're bringing awareness to these places that, you know, have this history behind him. That's a great thing to do. And, you know, even if people don't believe in the paranormal, just the history and the artistry of the architecture and everything that's happened there, that's worth the trip. Plus, you know them if they're following your booth, there's also good food. Can you tell I haven't had dinner yet? They keep talking about E. No, that's your big thing. That Yeah, I'm starting to get hungry. Um, So what's your next thing? Your next project Are you gonna write another book? Do you think you're going to go down that road or you know what? What are you looking forward to? What's what's coming next?

spk_0:   44:34
This is funny. You're the third person to ask me this today. Just today, about the next book. Um, so I'm working on several books right now on the 1st 1 is I'm calling it working title. It's Krampus is Great. Big Christmas Book of Yuletide monsters. It's a Children's book. I turned it into a Children's book. Um, about all the scary Christmas monsters. So obviously Krampus is and that he narrates it. It's written all inverse, um, illustrated and everything. So that's currently what I'm working on.

spk_1:   45:13
You're doing illustrations.

spk_0:   45:15
I did do the illustrations. I'm actually I'm officially calling them doodles. It'll speak. I'm not an artist, so we're calling them doodles, not illustrations. I should have. I should have. Yeah, but I'm working on that one. Also working on my dream Look, which is hopefully gonna be in the next year or so is a spook. Eats highlights Route 66. I know there's so many haunted books out there about Route 66 but spooky It's really focuses on restaurants and bars and hotels. So I really wanna travel Route 66 on and visit and highlight the haunted restaurants and bars along the way. So I'm hoping that every year we do either a Disney trip, an international trip or national trip. So hopefully next year is the national trip. So I'm hoping to convince Mr Spooky is to do Route 66 with me s O. Then I have a few other tentative things book wise, but nothing really concrete just yet. I've got lots of talks at libraries coming up lots of Paris cons. Um, so it's gotten surprisingly busy as of late. So I'm actually struggling to find timeto work on the books, which is killing me because, like, that's what I love to do. I'm a writer. I love writing and now laughed like drive and like, What do you mean? I have to talk in front of a conference in the at a library. What I I don't have time for this. I have to write my book, so hopefully I'll be able to chisel out some time to finish that before the holidays this year. Well,

spk_1:   46:51
I hope you find the time. And if you do need help convincing Mr Spooky, it's to do the Route 66 thing. I have dr 166 and it's amazing, and it is gorgeous and is knowing worth it. And there is so much to see. Um, and I did it way before I was into the paranormal, so I can imagine how much there is. But when you throw that in, so yeah, he should definitely want to do that. It is just a great time just to relax and just take your time driving across the country, even though, yeah, you have to start in Chicago, which is

spk_0:   47:24
I know I don't want to do that at all. No offense to Chicago. Five in Chicago. No, we always might. Mr. Smooth pieces from Minnesota. So we always drive from New York to Minnesota, and we either go through Canada or we go, like, an hour out of our way to avoid Chicago. Sorry, Chicago, but you're a hot mess with traffic.

spk_1:   47:43
Yes, they are. Once you're up, there is not too bad, but yeah, getting there. Uh, I had friends lit up there. Yeah. No, no. I looking out my window, I could see cornfields. Obviously, I don't like traffic and large people. Yeah, Yeah, your punk. Castro's doesn't like you audience. That was a great thing for me to say. No, I really do. Like e. I just don't like crowds of people. I'm s Oh, I'm actually the fact that you can go to the conferences and stuff. That's impressive. I think, if that ever happens to me Ah, I quit because I don't know if I can do it. You

spk_0:   48:28
gotta do a live podcast recording. That's what you have to do. That's all the rage now in front of a live studio audience.

spk_1:   48:36
A soon as I start that, Um, well, I tell you what. When I first started, I was so nervous I couldn't even do this type of podcasts recording and then, you know, releasing it later in the week. So maybe slowly. I am facing my fears so well, Amanda, thank you so much for coming on. Um, this has been great. This has been a fun interview. Really appreciate it. And I want to go back to New York, is gonna get your book, and I might take you guys up on being our personal guide. Jennifer and I can come over. Guys could show us around. That would be great. Holy,

spk_0:   49:09
should I know all the good places to go and eat?

spk_1:   49:11
All right. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. And hopefully, you know, find the time for the second book and things go well here. And where can people find out about where you're gonna be in what you're doing next? And where should they follow you? That

spk_0:   49:24
So I am all over the social media. So it's the website is nice and easy. It is spooky eats dot com. And on Facebook, instagram and Twitter, it is all just spooky. It's one word. Nice and easy. Um, that's S p 00 k e a T s. It's not spooky. Eat. It's spooky. It's trying to be a pun, but I'm not good at ponds. So we're just gonna go with it. Works? Yeah, I'm always updating, um, on social media and posts on Twitter. Instagram and Facebook are always different. That's never the same post over and over again, eh? So definitely if you're on any of those, definitely give us a follow. We're always doing with some fun stuff, doing giveaways every so often announcing special events and talks. And if many of the listeners are, either they own a haunted restaurant or bar or they know of one and they want to share the story. I'm always looking to add to my personal, spooky bucket list to feature it on my website. So if anyone has any good haunted locations that they'd like to check out, my email is spooky. It's at gmail dot com again Nice and easy. And again, I'm always looking for new places to go. I'm always traveling and I gotta eat somewhere. You might as well you have a haunted place. So let me know those hunting places.

spk_1:   50:44
Great. All right. And you got to promise me that, you know, this book's taken off. You get the next book out, matter how famous you get. You gotta come back on the show though. Okay? Always. Okay. Awesome. All right. Well, thank you so much for being on. Um this has been Indiana unknown. I'm your host, Jason Fraser. Take care