S5-08: Tech Team Tuesday with Shane Hendren & Gregg Burgard

Rio Grande Jewelry Tech Team members Shane Hendren and Gregg Burgard talk shop and answer your jewelry-making questions.

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Topics covered in this episode:

1) Mold making

2) Casting

3) Tips for adding color to a piece

4) E-coating - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YrEa5u0J4M&t=1s

5) Engraving

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Have a question for the Jewelry Tech Team? Email us at podcast@riogrande.com, and we will try to answer your question on the next episode.

Transcript

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Good morning and welcome to

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Tech Team Tuesday, live at 11.

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My name is Shane Hendren.

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And today,

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my special guest is none other

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than the glorious Greg Burgard.

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Greg?

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Yes.

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Give us a little bit of

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background information on you.

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How did you come to Rio Grande?

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Okay, let me be more specific.

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Give me a little tidbit of

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what you did before you got

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to Rio Grande.

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Okay.

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Right before I came here,

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I had a phenomenal job.

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I was the new product

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development director for a

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large manufacturer.

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And basically, my job, obviously,

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was to develop new product.

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But anything between the

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concept or an idea to production molds,

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hand it over to production.

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Everything in between there, I did that.

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And we produced anywhere

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from 12 to 30 new styles per week.

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I had about 15 people

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working in my department.

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We made all the production molds.

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We did all the models.

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I used a lot of outside 2D

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and 3D artists for wax

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carving that was really pre-3D printing.

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So they were all carved by hand.

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I had 2D designers,

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and I would give them

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direction about lines that

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we wanted to create.

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For example,

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if we wanted to make a line of...

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uh, girl sports charms.

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Right.

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And so we would have them designed.

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I would choose,

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sometimes we would modify

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the designs on paper and

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then I would hand out those to various,

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uh, 3D wax carvers, basically.

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Then we would get those in,

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we would make molds on them, uh,

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And then we would make wax injections,

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build our own trees,

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send them over to casting.

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We didn't do our own casting.

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Send them in for casting, get them back,

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clip them off, clean them up, sprue them,

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trademark stamp them, check finger sizes,

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make sure stones fit.

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And we did that as also part

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of our verification.

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And we gave them item

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numbers and everything.

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And we did three samples of everything.

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One went to the president for pricing,

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one went to marketing for photos,

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and another one went to

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salespeople for samples.

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How many years did you do that?

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I did that for about 20 years.

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Wow.

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20 years before you even got

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to Rio Grande.

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Yeah.

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It was a great job because, like I said,

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I got to fly to big

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customers like Avon and QVC

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and make special products just for them.

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So it was great.

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And correct me if I'm wrong,

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but you also did all of

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their pewter work in your

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own business on the side.

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i had a well we we did uh

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also part of what I did in

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product development was

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make uh you probably

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remember in the 90s all

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those dragons and wizards

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and stuff with all the

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crystals on them well we

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did that but those models

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were made in bronze okay

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and so we did that in my

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department that was part of the 15 people

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So half of our production

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was doing that stuff in pewter.

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The other half was doing it

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in silver and gold.

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And I actually started

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another business with a friend of mine,

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and we had a shop next door.

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And everything I made there,

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we sold through Pewter.

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Right.

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My day job.

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But they had a great sales network.

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But you weren't done there.

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You also because what I

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admire the most is your glasswork.

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Yeah.

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And you have a number of

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patents for things that

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you've designed and everything.

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So while you were doing

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these other two jobs,

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these other two full time jobs,

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you had another business

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that was exclusively

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explain that that business.

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yeah so um I went to I i was

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I was going to an art an

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art fair and uh because a

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friend of mine was a

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painter actually he was one

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of the 2d designers his

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name is dick wimberly um he

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lives in santa fe shout out

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to dick wimberly yeah and

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uh so he was one of our

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designers and I was just

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going to go visit him and

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see what he was doing I

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walked past this one uh

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this one uh it was the

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school building over at the

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fairgrounds and they were

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having a glass show and I

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thought I'm in the jewelry

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business I'm going to go in

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there and see what this is

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all about and I walked in

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and I saw torches and

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flames and and big colors

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you know in in in what we

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do and in the jewelry world

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most of the colors that we

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see are like this big right

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they're small stones but

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with the glass it was all

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the people wearing these

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big glass beautiful red and

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bright colors and I go this

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is kind of cool

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and so I walked around the

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show and there was a guy he

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had some sheets of paper

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and he said learn how to

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make beads you know and so

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I took one of those and it

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took me about two months

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for me to call him but he

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had a shop over in old town

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and I went in there and it

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was me and a retired pipe

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fitter and I started

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learning how to make glass beads and

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all of his former students

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would come in and and I

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noticed they all wore their

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beads the same way they had

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this great artwork on their

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beads and they would just

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string them on a cord right

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and I thought these people

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need a great way to wear

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and display these beads so

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I thought that's what I can

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do so I started to make a

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line of findings in silver

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that would uh and and I

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like to make them

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interchangeable so they can

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change them because usually

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their favorite bead is their last bead

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So they always want to change them.

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So I made a line of

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interchangeable findings in silver.

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And one of them was a ring.

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And I got a patent on it.

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Actually, I have three patents,

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but the ring one is the

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most profitable one.

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And so I ended up making and

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selling those rings at glass bead shows.

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And eventually I was looking

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around at all the glass

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artists and I thought, you know,

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I'm casting silver.

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I'm going to figure out how to cast glass.

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So I figured out a special

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process to cast the glass and, uh,

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And it took me about 150 experiments.

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And my wife would tell me, said, stop,

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stop,

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because she could see I was

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depressed after time after time.

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But I thought, no, when I get this,

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it's going to be really great.

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And so it was.

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And it became reliable.

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The process became reliable around 2012.

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And so anyway,

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I submitted it to a lot of

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design competitions and I

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won a lot of them.

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And I was actually asked to

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go to the Smithsonian in 2019.

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Yeah.

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And you also have work in

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the Corning Museum.

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Yes,

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I have a piece in their permanent

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collection,

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also in the Albuquerque Museum,

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in their permanent collection,

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a few of them.

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That's cool.

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That's really cool.

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So that thing on the

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glasswork actually ties in

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with a question we had from

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Gregory Coleman last week on YouTube.

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And Gregory's question was,

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what's your favorite way to

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add color to a piece?

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And I'm going to assume it's glass.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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the easiest way is to put a stone in

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there.

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Right.

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But what's your favorite way?

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He wants to know what's your favorite way.

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My favorite way.

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You know, since I started working here,

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I really like e-coding.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I know you've used it too.

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I really like it because

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it's very permanent.

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It's really durable.

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When we were learning how to do e-coding,

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they gave us these disks

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with different colors on them.

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And I thought,

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I'm going to test this stuff.

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So I put it in my pocket

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with my keys and my change.

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And I walked around with it

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for at least...

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four months and here at at

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Rio we have to go through

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security we take everything

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out and put it in these

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bins and when I was putting

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it in the bin one day it

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fell and it rolled under

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the security table and I

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never got it back but

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It had held up really well

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for like four months of

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every day just rubbing

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against your keys and your change.

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And it was starting to get a

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little bit around the edges.

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But that's a pretty durable test.

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And it's easy to do.

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It's very easy to do.

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You just need plating equipment.

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You do need a different

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rectifier that goes a little bit higher.

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Well, yes and no.

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It depends on the color.

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But because I did over 500 of them,

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remember all the pins for

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the SNAC conference in 2019?

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Yes.

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And it's actually very fast.

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Was that the Portland one?

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it might have been portland

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I remember seeing the rose

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it was with those rows

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right yeah all right yeah

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it was city of roses I

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think it's I think they

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were yeah I remember those

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we did a lot of them that

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gold color I dreamt about

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those for a while anyway

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they're really durable um

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it makes metals that you

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ordinarily can't wear next

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to your skin very well uh

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like copper because you'll

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sweat and and and it reacts

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with the skin well it it makes your

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It makes it bio.

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There's no pre-plating

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required or anything.

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Nope, nope.

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Super easy.

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It's a nanoceramic.

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Yes.

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Which makes it hypoallergenic.

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Right.

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I don't know if we can say that,

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but it's... And it's also a

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little flexible because we

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had these cuffs that we

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made with Bonnie Dune out of like,

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I don't know,

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18 gauge or something and

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they were copper and they

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were a little flexible.

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And I thought, oh, this will be great.

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I'm going to E-coat it and

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I'm going to squeeze it and

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see if it cracks.

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And it actually didn't.

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So it will withstand the

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flexing that people do.

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So E-coating everybody.

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That's a great one.

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E-coating Gregory Coleman is

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Greg's favorite way

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To color jewelry.

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But let me circle back around.

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So you did all this

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phenomenal work and

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everything prior to getting

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to Rio Grande.

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Okay.

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So what brought you to Rio Grande?

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What was the transition that

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got you from working for

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this other manufacturer to

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coming here to Rio Grande?

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The business sold.

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Yeah.

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And...

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uh you know I i actually

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wasn't working for a couple

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of years and uh I saw an ad

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to come be on the tech team

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and I thought I'll do that

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that's different yeah I

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always want to do something

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different right always got

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to challenge yourself and

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do something different so

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so once you got here you

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you'd been a customer of

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rio grande though oh yeah

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yeah since the 70s right

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But once you got here,

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because this is the thing,

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and I encourage everybody,

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get your questions in for

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Greg specifically.

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Greg is an expert on mold making,

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wax carving, casting, things like that.

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As you can tell, manufacturing, production,

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if you have anything.

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Design.

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He's helped me enormously.

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I'm a fabricator.

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Most of my stuff is one of a kind.

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Yep.

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All fabricated and everything.

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But you helped me to

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understand how to streamline my process.

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and to create molds for

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those things that I do repetitively.

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Right.

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So that I'm not spending all

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those hours completely rebuilding it.

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Right.

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And you also help me to understand how,

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even though I'm using

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something from a mold,

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it's still of a one of a kind.

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Can be, yes.

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Well, in my case,

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because the stones are always different.

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The engraving is always different.

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Right.

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And that kind of thing.

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Right.

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So if you have questions of any kind,

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you're more than welcome.

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We really,

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we really are looking forward to

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answering your questions.

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Um,

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I have one question from Polo Sandoval.

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He says, good afternoon, gentlemen.

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When setting pave stones in a ring setting,

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what graver should you use

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to split the shared prong

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between the stone before

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using a beading tool?

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Do you want that one, Greg?

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Do you do a lot of pave?

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I don't.

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I do a little bit.

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I would guess a flat graver.

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No, I wouldn't recommend a flat graver.

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For splitting?

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For splitting.

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So for me, at least,

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I don't even use a graver.

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I've made my own little

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wedge out of an old

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burnisher and I just push

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it straight into it and

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spreads them evenly.

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But if you were going to use a graver,

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I would use an onglet.

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Okay.

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If I was going to use a graver.

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But as we've said before on

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previous Tech Tuesdays,

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a lot of times you make your own tools.

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You make what you need.

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So like I said, if you have questions,

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keep them coming.

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We're more than happy to get

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them answered for you.

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But I want to go back.

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Because the tech team is all

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about sharing knowledge,

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all about helping people to

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improve their processes,

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to understand things better,

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to learn about new

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technologies and things like that.

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And with everything you've

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done in manufacturing,

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you have 50 years of

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experience in the jewelry business.

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I mean,

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a lot of people wouldn't believe

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that looking at you, but you got 50.

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In June, it's 50 years, right?

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I heard you and Phil talking

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the other day.

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Yeah, yeah.

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50 years.

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Yeah, I started young.

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Yeah.

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I was still in high school.

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But 50 years of working in

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this industry gives you a

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lot of background.

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What I'd like you to expand on, though,

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is mold making.

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Okay.

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Because that's where you had

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the greatest impact on me.

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You really helped me to

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understand how mold making

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would help my fabrication

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process streamline and

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become more efficient.

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So tell us a little bit about mold making.

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I would like to see people...

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think differently about

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molds and I think they

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should even if you don't

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use molds if you're a

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fabricator and you use you

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make everything with bezel

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and wire and sheet like you were saying

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they're still I think I

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think it it it will it will

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change the way you think

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about your jewelry and it

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gives you a lot more design

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opportunities I'll give you

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an example so um if you may if you uh

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if you had a little rose or

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a cat or a skull or something,

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I think you should mold it

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because you can take that

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and you can use it as a design element.

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If you make a mold of it and

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then cast a whole bunch of them,

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you can put them here.

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Let me give you an example.

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Like here's a,

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Here's a sheet.

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Here's your bezel with your stone, right?

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You've got to face it that direction.

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Here's your bezel with your stone.

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That's a really terrible drawing.

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But let's say you have a

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mold with a little skull or

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a rose or something.

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Now you can take that,

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make multiple copies,

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and put them all around your piece.

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Mm-hmm.

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you can only do that if you

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make a mold or you got to

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make 20 or 30 of them which

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nobody wants to do also

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making molds is great um

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like let's have you ever

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made a shank and you looked

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at that shank and you said

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this shank is so perfect I

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almost can't believe I made

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it I can't see a single

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thing wrong with this shank

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I would say mold that shank right because

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You mold it, you inject it,

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and you cast a whole bunch of them.

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Now all of your shanks are that perfect.

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I know I can see you going, no,

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not exactly, because they're not,

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you know.

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But let's say you add, you know,

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you make a V-shank and you

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put your flour in there.

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Yeah, try to fabricate that.

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Yeah.

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So you can make things that

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are hard to fabricate.

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And, I mean,

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we've all seen rings with big

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lion heads and stuff.

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I mean,

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I know a few people that can

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actually carve that stuff

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in metal and do a pretty good job.

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But what if you get an order

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for 50 of them?

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You've got to make them all.

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I actually have a couple of

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friends who do that.

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They engrave and they sculpt

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the metal and everything.

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And...

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Their stuff isn't cheap, quote unquote.

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But in my opinion,

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for the time and energy

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that they're putting out to

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create these things,

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it should be 10 times what

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they're charging for it.

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And I've told them the same thing.

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There's a love and a passion there too.

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Right,

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but it would be so cool because they

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only make one.

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And then once it's out there, it's gone.

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That's right.

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All you have is a picture.

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Well,

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this is where you sold me on the mold

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making.

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There's a lot of things I've made molds of,

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especially with the

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silicone molds because

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they're fast and easy.

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Not because I want to reproduce them,

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but because I know after I

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sell that piece...

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I'm never going to get it back.

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But now that I have this mold,

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I can always inject it,

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and I can at least make a

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copy of it that I can use as a reference.

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And it's a base object.

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Right.

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It's a base object that you

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can now elaborate on,

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and it'll get you from zero

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to 40% of the way much

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faster than starting from

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scratch and sawing out this cross.

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Right.

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Well, as an engraver, a lot of engravers,

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they do castings.

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They do castings of their

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engravings because it's one

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thing to look at something

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two-dimensionally and see a

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drawing of somebody's

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engraving pattern or something.

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It gives you a lot of information.

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But the casting,

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you can see the actual depth of the cut.

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You can see the width of the cut.

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And you can see it in three dimensions,

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right?

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And that's where the mold making,

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for me...

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has come through because I

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do something I did

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something two years ago I

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make a mold of it I can I

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can at least uh inject it

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with wax and now I've got

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that three-dimensional

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object and it's reminding

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me of the depth that I used

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or yeah or the thicknesses

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of something because even

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in a photograph then you're

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just guessing right you don't really know

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Right.

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Having best-selling items is

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kind of a blessing and a

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curse at the same time.

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It's a blessing because

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you're getting the sale,

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but it's a curse because

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you have to keep repeating your work.

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So that's all I'm saying about molding.

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Like with your shanks, I'm saying mold it.

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And actually,

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it might even make sense to

00:17:59.044 --> 00:18:03.039
make molds of your sizes, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,

00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:03.346
10.

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And then you've got those already made.

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Yeah, it's true.

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I've got questions coming in, Greg,

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so let's go to Facebook first.

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Okay.

00:18:13.198 --> 00:18:15.138
Dwayne Hall, he says,

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can you name the name of

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the treatment again for

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making copper safer for skin wear?

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And he wants to know,

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will it prevent patina from

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reacting with skin?

00:18:25.182 --> 00:18:26.241
It was E-coating that we

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were talking about.

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Yes, E-coating, and it's made by Lagore.

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We sell it.

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And...

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Protecting a patina.

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Yes, it will.

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Well, how do I say this?

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Because you have to clean

00:18:44.993 --> 00:18:46.414
the metal before you E-coat it,

00:18:46.535 --> 00:18:48.115
even if you're using a clear E-coating,

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a lot of times it'll remove a patina.

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I have, but I have done it.

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Right.

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I have done it.

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I don't leave it in the

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cleaning solution as long.

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Okay.

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Because I want to preserve

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some of that oxidation patina.

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So it'll take... It's possible, yes.

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Some practice run.

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Yes,

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you're going to have to play with it a

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little bit.

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But imagine what happens is

00:19:07.284 --> 00:19:08.584
it goes into the solution,

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these little tiny beads... Mm-hmm.

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that have a charge are

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attracted to the surface,

00:19:13.953 --> 00:19:14.556
which has the...

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anode,

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they're attracted because of the charge.

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So imagine little tiny nano ceramic,

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because it's nano ceramic,

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these super tiny little beads,

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and they completely cover

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the conductive surface.

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Then you take it out and you

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got to let it dry.

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You put it into an oven,

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all those little tiny plastic beads,

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they melt and fuse together

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and create this shell that's ceramic.

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And it's fantastic.

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And not only does the

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E-coating come in colors,

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We have it in clear as well.

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Clear, black.

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And matte and everything.

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So there's a whole variety

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of things that you can do with it.

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Yeah, it's phenomenal.

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I love it.

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But let's go to the next question.

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I've got a question on

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Instagram from Honeyblue Designs.

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And their question is,

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is it best to do a mold

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first if I plan on making

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multiple pieces to sell of

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the same design?

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I'm new to this process and

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trying to minimize my trial and error.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Mold it first.

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Mold it first before it gets,

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you don't want to take an

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old worn out piece.

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Just think of your mold.

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It's going to preserve whatever you mold.

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So if you mold a nice, sharp,

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crisp piece with nice

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detail and everything is

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exactly the way you like it,

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that's the way all your

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copies are going to be.

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I would mold it early.

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And it's also important that

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whatever you mold,

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that's going to be the way it comes out.

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So whatever level of finish that you want.

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so what I what I remind

00:20:51.127 --> 00:20:52.169
people of is if it has

00:20:52.209 --> 00:20:53.650
scratches it's going to

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mold those scratches always

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finish everything as far as

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you can don't don't assume

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like I can take care of

00:21:00.256 --> 00:21:01.837
this in a tumbling step

00:21:01.897 --> 00:21:03.318
later you're always better

00:21:03.338 --> 00:21:04.661
to get it as close to

00:21:04.721 --> 00:21:06.241
perfect as you can from the

00:21:06.261 --> 00:21:07.323
beginning before you make

00:21:07.363 --> 00:21:08.964
the mold right okay I've

00:21:08.984 --> 00:21:09.925
got another question from

00:21:09.986 --> 00:21:12.147
instagram uh a stay a

00:21:12.208 --> 00:21:13.148
jewelry work and I'm sorry

00:21:13.189 --> 00:21:14.048
if I mispronounced that

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They want to know,

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could E-coating be used on

00:21:17.092 --> 00:21:19.593
the back only of a metal clay piece?

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I'm thinking of white copper

00:21:21.634 --> 00:21:23.915
clay pieces that contain nickel.

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Oh,

00:21:26.217 --> 00:21:28.117
because they're concerned about the skin.

00:21:28.298 --> 00:21:29.538
They want to know about just

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using it on one side.

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Sure, you can.

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We used to have a mask.

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I don't know if we still have a mask,

00:21:39.923 --> 00:21:42.066
because the mask would have

00:21:42.105 --> 00:21:43.248
to be able to withstand

00:21:43.307 --> 00:21:43.808
about 300 degrees.

00:21:47.215 --> 00:21:48.836
You can always remove it later.

00:21:48.856 --> 00:21:51.438
I'm actually doing some

00:21:51.498 --> 00:21:53.519
experiments where I'm

00:21:54.019 --> 00:21:54.980
e-coating something and

00:21:55.019 --> 00:21:56.881
then removing it before I

00:21:56.961 --> 00:21:59.402
put it into the oven.

00:21:59.422 --> 00:22:01.542
Because I think it's easier

00:22:01.563 --> 00:22:02.824
there because it's not all

00:22:02.864 --> 00:22:04.025
fused together as a shell

00:22:04.404 --> 00:22:05.826
to try to like wipe it off

00:22:05.865 --> 00:22:07.246
with a soft brush or something.

00:22:07.506 --> 00:22:09.727
And I got to apologize.

00:22:09.807 --> 00:22:11.909
I haven't really done that all the way yet,

00:22:12.229 --> 00:22:13.950
but that's possibly a way to do it.

00:22:14.190 --> 00:22:14.369
Right.

00:22:15.351 --> 00:22:16.852
We have the masking pins,

00:22:17.332 --> 00:22:18.292
is what you're referring to.

00:22:18.732 --> 00:22:19.653
And then you can remove it

00:22:19.673 --> 00:22:20.555
with an acetone...

00:22:22.698 --> 00:22:23.798
I remove it with acetone.

00:22:23.999 --> 00:22:24.960
Okay.

00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.903
But some people use fingernail polish.

00:22:28.942 --> 00:22:30.983
There's all different masking methods.

00:22:31.304 --> 00:22:32.924
As long as it will withstand

00:22:33.526 --> 00:22:37.268
that curing process, whatever.

00:22:37.409 --> 00:22:38.108
I forget what it is.

00:22:38.229 --> 00:22:40.250
It's different for different colors.

00:22:40.951 --> 00:22:42.672
But what I'm saying is when you mask it,

00:22:42.711 --> 00:22:44.053
like with fingernail polish, for example,

00:22:44.073 --> 00:22:45.094
you're going to remove that

00:22:45.253 --> 00:22:47.154
before you cure it because

00:22:47.194 --> 00:22:48.316
otherwise it's going to burn off.

00:22:48.336 --> 00:22:49.277
Okay.

00:22:49.657 --> 00:22:50.740
uh well you can't just dip

00:22:50.819 --> 00:22:52.703
it yeah because all the the

00:22:52.743 --> 00:22:53.786
little beads aren't fused

00:22:53.826 --> 00:22:55.609
together yet it's time

00:22:55.630 --> 00:22:58.214
consuming yeah it's you can

00:22:58.275 --> 00:22:58.977
dip it then you gotta

00:22:58.997 --> 00:22:59.919
remove the e-coating and

00:22:59.939 --> 00:23:00.640
then you gotta it's

00:23:01.551 --> 00:23:03.133
We were also experimenting

00:23:03.153 --> 00:23:04.012
with some kind of like

00:23:04.073 --> 00:23:04.992
rubber cement kind of stuff

00:23:05.012 --> 00:23:06.212
where you kind of peel it away.

00:23:07.134 --> 00:23:08.054
And actually,

00:23:08.973 --> 00:23:10.954
that might be a great way to do it.

00:23:11.414 --> 00:23:15.855
So to be more specific, a stay of jewelry.

00:23:16.175 --> 00:23:16.817
Yes, you can.

00:23:16.957 --> 00:23:17.656
It's doable,

00:23:18.416 --> 00:23:20.117
but it's going to take experimentation.

00:23:21.057 --> 00:23:22.817
We don't have a tried and

00:23:22.857 --> 00:23:24.078
true method yet that we can

00:23:24.138 --> 00:23:25.818
say this is exactly how to do it.

00:23:25.838 --> 00:23:27.920
But you can also coat them in clear.

00:23:27.940 --> 00:23:28.019
Yeah.

00:23:30.009 --> 00:23:30.409
Exactly.

00:23:30.489 --> 00:23:31.509
You can coat them in clear

00:23:31.609 --> 00:23:32.851
and the whole thing is protected.

00:23:32.871 --> 00:23:33.151
Right.

00:23:33.270 --> 00:23:34.330
And you can't really see it.

00:23:34.811 --> 00:23:36.291
So if you want to protect the whole thing,

00:23:36.332 --> 00:23:36.551
I mean,

00:23:36.571 --> 00:23:37.853
what if you're wearing it and it flips?

00:23:38.492 --> 00:23:40.433
You want to protect both sides probably.

00:23:41.055 --> 00:23:42.194
We need to circle back.

00:23:42.335 --> 00:23:42.915
Okay.

00:23:43.036 --> 00:23:45.116
We have the Art of the

00:23:45.196 --> 00:23:47.698
Artifice had a follow-up

00:23:47.758 --> 00:23:49.739
question about the pave setting.

00:23:50.199 --> 00:23:51.099
They wanted to know about

00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:53.361
the chisel that I was talking about.

00:23:54.201 --> 00:23:56.502
They say they favor an 80 to 90 degree,

00:23:56.522 --> 00:23:58.344
but they're no expert on...

00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:01.940
I can't tell you exactly the

00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:03.440
degrees on the chisel that I'm using.

00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.700
It's less than... Something you made.

00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:07.901
Yeah, it's probably like 70 degrees.

00:24:08.840 --> 00:24:09.800
You know, I ground it down,

00:24:09.840 --> 00:24:11.201
and I put it in there,

00:24:11.241 --> 00:24:12.721
and it's enough to split

00:24:13.682 --> 00:24:15.162
the prong so that it goes

00:24:15.241 --> 00:24:17.663
over both sides simultaneously.

00:24:17.682 --> 00:24:19.603
And after that, you... Yeah,

00:24:19.743 --> 00:24:21.923
and then I put a... Put a bead on it.

00:24:21.943 --> 00:24:22.523
A bead on it, yeah.

00:24:23.124 --> 00:24:25.805
So I couldn't tell you the angles, sorry.

00:24:25.825 --> 00:24:26.045
Okay.

00:24:26.525 --> 00:24:27.685
But whatever works.

00:24:28.145 --> 00:24:28.365
I mean,

00:24:28.405 --> 00:24:29.506
a lot of times you end up making

00:24:29.547 --> 00:24:30.207
multiple tools.

00:24:30.886 --> 00:24:32.887
Some of them are very, very specific.

00:24:32.907 --> 00:24:33.709
Those are the best tools,

00:24:33.909 --> 00:24:34.528
the ones you make.

00:24:35.009 --> 00:24:36.170
We've got another question

00:24:36.210 --> 00:24:38.810
on Instagram from Lunick Jewelry.

00:24:39.791 --> 00:24:41.592
And it says, according to plating,

00:24:42.113 --> 00:24:43.333
do you recommend coating

00:24:43.373 --> 00:24:46.015
them at the end for extra protection?

00:24:46.295 --> 00:24:47.375
And how could you make the

00:24:47.454 --> 00:24:48.935
gold plating more durable?

00:24:51.707 --> 00:24:52.688
Just like I said,

00:24:52.847 --> 00:24:54.829
you can coat it with a clear.

00:24:55.089 --> 00:24:56.050
Right, the E-coat.

00:24:56.310 --> 00:24:58.492
Yes, you can E-coat with a clear,

00:24:59.472 --> 00:25:02.035
and that would definitely

00:25:02.095 --> 00:25:02.855
protect the gold.

00:25:04.657 --> 00:25:06.019
And it wouldn't affect how

00:25:06.058 --> 00:25:07.779
the gold shines.

00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:09.320
You could still see it as gold.

00:25:09.922 --> 00:25:12.183
Right, and as far as gold plating,

00:25:13.223 --> 00:25:14.605
there's really no way to

00:25:14.645 --> 00:25:15.665
make it more durable.

00:25:16.126 --> 00:25:17.367
It is what it is.

00:25:18.075 --> 00:25:18.474
You know,

00:25:19.757 --> 00:25:22.959
I think acid-based solutions are

00:25:23.118 --> 00:25:25.201
slightly more durable than cyanide-based.

00:25:25.300 --> 00:25:26.701
And also, you don't have the cyanide.

00:25:27.262 --> 00:25:27.782
Right.

00:25:28.364 --> 00:25:31.086
So acid-based gold solutions

00:25:31.266 --> 00:25:32.626
are slightly more durable.

00:25:36.330 --> 00:25:38.112
But yes, an E-coating.

00:25:38.392 --> 00:25:40.153
A clear E-coating is ideal.

00:25:40.294 --> 00:25:42.776
Oh, it's going to save it a lot longer.

00:25:42.796 --> 00:25:43.696
Yeah.

00:25:44.186 --> 00:25:45.048
Oh, okay.

00:25:45.087 --> 00:25:46.568
I've got a question from YouTube.

00:25:48.309 --> 00:25:51.093
Christine Nor's dragon Weber

00:25:51.772 --> 00:25:54.474
wants to know if you reticulate silver,

00:25:55.256 --> 00:25:57.037
use it in a project that

00:25:57.076 --> 00:25:58.719
includes some solder and

00:25:58.798 --> 00:26:00.119
then decide to scrap it.

00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:01.901
Can it be melted down,

00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:03.663
rolled flat and re

00:26:03.762 --> 00:26:05.604
reticulated or does the

00:26:05.683 --> 00:26:07.365
solder prevent it from working?

00:26:10.347 --> 00:26:10.728
Hmm.

00:26:11.308 --> 00:26:11.648
Don't know.

00:26:13.450 --> 00:26:14.510
It definitely is going to

00:26:14.570 --> 00:26:16.354
change the composition of

00:26:16.374 --> 00:26:18.435
the material and how it reacts.

00:26:18.596 --> 00:26:19.336
Because you're bringing

00:26:19.396 --> 00:26:20.519
stuff to the surface that

00:26:20.558 --> 00:26:21.480
wasn't there before.

00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:21.740
Right.

00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:23.561
So once you bring it up to the surface,

00:26:24.123 --> 00:26:24.864
and then you're adding

00:26:24.943 --> 00:26:26.246
other stuff like solder,

00:26:26.786 --> 00:26:28.428
and then you try to roll it back down,

00:26:29.328 --> 00:26:29.950
I think it's going to

00:26:29.970 --> 00:26:31.811
affect the way that it crinkles.

00:26:32.093 --> 00:26:32.232
Yeah.

00:26:33.614 --> 00:26:34.454
It's going to be trial

00:26:35.474 --> 00:26:36.494
because no two things are

00:26:36.515 --> 00:26:37.056
going to be the same.

00:26:37.395 --> 00:26:38.635
But it's definitely not

00:26:38.655 --> 00:26:39.416
going to be sterling

00:26:39.477 --> 00:26:41.217
anymore because you've

00:26:41.436 --> 00:26:43.518
changed the overall composition of it.

00:26:43.978 --> 00:26:44.818
And I think that's something

00:26:44.858 --> 00:26:45.939
people need to keep in mind

00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:48.220
when you're melting down

00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:49.961
your own scraps and everything.

00:26:50.441 --> 00:26:51.682
There's clean scrap and

00:26:51.701 --> 00:26:52.521
there's dirty scrap.

00:26:53.303 --> 00:26:54.544
And there's a huge difference.

00:26:55.085 --> 00:26:56.226
Especially when you're going

00:26:56.306 --> 00:26:57.146
to do the resale.

00:26:57.887 --> 00:26:58.749
Because you're not going to

00:26:58.788 --> 00:26:59.509
get the same amount of

00:26:59.549 --> 00:27:00.570
money for dirty scrap that

00:27:00.590 --> 00:27:01.511
you get for clean scrap

00:27:01.892 --> 00:27:02.933
because the refiners have

00:27:02.953 --> 00:27:05.076
to do more work to break it down.

00:27:05.415 --> 00:27:06.217
So when you are...

00:27:07.898 --> 00:27:10.101
keeping your scrap.

00:27:10.580 --> 00:27:11.662
I encourage people to keep

00:27:11.701 --> 00:27:13.202
your clean separate from

00:27:13.303 --> 00:27:14.403
anything that has solder in

00:27:14.443 --> 00:27:16.625
it and assume that all of

00:27:16.704 --> 00:27:19.126
your filings and everything are dirty.

00:27:19.507 --> 00:27:19.707
Right.

00:27:21.087 --> 00:27:22.528
And their question also

00:27:22.910 --> 00:27:24.310
brings up an interesting point too.

00:27:24.691 --> 00:27:25.811
We're asked a lot of

00:27:26.112 --> 00:27:27.532
questions that are kind of

00:27:29.430 --> 00:27:32.971
that are not common.

00:27:33.071 --> 00:27:36.114
That's why we get asked the questions.

00:27:37.234 --> 00:27:38.474
And a lot of times we don't

00:27:38.515 --> 00:27:39.316
know the answer because we

00:27:39.355 --> 00:27:39.855
haven't done it.

00:27:42.821 --> 00:27:44.143
The thing that I always say

00:27:44.202 --> 00:27:45.463
to people is do a test.

00:27:45.723 --> 00:27:45.884
Yeah.

00:27:46.424 --> 00:27:47.226
Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:47.826 --> 00:27:48.606
So do a test.

00:27:48.787 --> 00:27:50.228
Maybe not on your important work,

00:27:50.407 --> 00:27:51.209
but do a test.

00:27:51.568 --> 00:27:53.450
I always tell people to keep a notebook.

00:27:53.790 --> 00:27:54.872
Yeah.

00:27:55.231 --> 00:27:56.432
Use the scientific method.

00:27:56.653 --> 00:27:56.813
Yeah.

00:27:57.292 --> 00:27:57.973
And keep notes.

00:27:58.554 --> 00:28:00.236
Because as much as we think, oh,

00:28:00.316 --> 00:28:01.237
I'm going to remember this.

00:28:02.441 --> 00:28:03.922
And I'm only speaking for myself.

00:28:04.021 --> 00:28:05.242
Nine times out of ten, I forget it.

00:28:05.563 --> 00:28:05.864
Yeah.

00:28:06.284 --> 00:28:07.404
But I've got these little

00:28:07.565 --> 00:28:09.026
notebooks that I've got notes in.

00:28:09.046 --> 00:28:10.247
Some of them are 20 years old.

00:28:10.287 --> 00:28:11.407
I do the same thing, yeah.

00:28:11.748 --> 00:28:12.509
And, you know,

00:28:12.628 --> 00:28:14.150
the pencil is rubbed and everything.

00:28:14.630 --> 00:28:16.031
You can't remember what

00:28:16.092 --> 00:28:17.353
setting you had or what the

00:28:17.413 --> 00:28:20.375
temperature was or what, you know,

00:28:20.375 --> 00:28:20.835
10 years ago.

00:28:20.875 --> 00:28:21.556
You can't remember that.

00:28:21.736 --> 00:28:23.297
I have people who see a

00:28:23.336 --> 00:28:24.198
piece of jewelry that I

00:28:24.238 --> 00:28:25.179
made 20 years ago.

00:28:25.898 --> 00:28:26.499
And they're like,

00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:27.939
can I order one of those?

00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.240
And you hate to say no.

00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:31.519
But it's like,

00:28:31.579 --> 00:28:32.980
I can't even remember how I made that.

00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:34.941
Pull the mold off the shelf.

00:28:35.121 --> 00:28:36.500
Well, if I had a mold,

00:28:36.580 --> 00:28:37.381
it would be the way to go.

00:28:37.520 --> 00:28:38.141
You got a mold.

00:28:38.340 --> 00:28:40.481
We've got another follow-up

00:28:40.541 --> 00:28:42.741
question from Christine

00:28:43.442 --> 00:28:44.602
Nor's Dragon Weber.

00:28:45.102 --> 00:28:45.721
She wants to know,

00:28:45.862 --> 00:28:46.863
another question I've got.

00:28:47.682 --> 00:28:49.123
She says she's got a few of them today.

00:28:49.542 --> 00:28:52.223
Can rose gold be granulated

00:28:52.423 --> 00:28:53.523
or does the copper in it

00:28:53.584 --> 00:28:54.564
make it impossible?

00:28:56.433 --> 00:28:58.435
Wow.

00:29:00.958 --> 00:29:02.499
I would think, here again,

00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.301
do a small experiment

00:29:05.321 --> 00:29:06.262
because I haven't done it.

00:29:06.563 --> 00:29:06.843
Have you?

00:29:07.203 --> 00:29:08.105
I actually have.

00:29:08.244 --> 00:29:09.365
If she's referring to

00:29:09.425 --> 00:29:10.807
granulation as in melting

00:29:10.846 --> 00:29:11.607
it and making balls.

00:29:11.688 --> 00:29:13.048
Making perfect spheres.

00:29:13.148 --> 00:29:14.009
Yes, I've done that.

00:29:14.190 --> 00:29:15.730
That you can... Have I done

00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:16.531
it consistently?

00:29:16.852 --> 00:29:17.012
No.

00:29:17.893 --> 00:29:20.375
So it's a simple, yes, you can, but...

00:29:21.411 --> 00:29:22.392
You're going to have to practice.

00:29:22.751 --> 00:29:23.833
And I think it also depends

00:29:23.893 --> 00:29:24.513
on the carriage.

00:29:25.114 --> 00:29:26.655
It balls up much better when

00:29:26.715 --> 00:29:27.596
it's higher carriage,

00:29:28.498 --> 00:29:30.098
which means there's less copper in it.

00:29:30.439 --> 00:29:31.319
So it's not going to be as

00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.962
rosy as something with more copper in it.

00:29:34.282 --> 00:29:35.124
Right, right.

00:29:35.503 --> 00:29:36.704
But it definitely,

00:29:37.846 --> 00:29:39.207
you can definitely ball the metal up.

00:29:39.847 --> 00:29:40.628
Oh, sure, sure.

00:29:41.690 --> 00:29:42.891
But the consistency,

00:29:43.471 --> 00:29:44.731
now you can't fuse it.

00:29:45.432 --> 00:29:47.234
The way you can do 22 and 24

00:29:47.234 --> 00:29:48.154
karat granules.

00:29:48.174 --> 00:29:49.036
Is that pure?

00:29:49.476 --> 00:29:50.136
Close to pure.

00:29:50.457 --> 00:29:50.676
Yeah.

00:29:51.218 --> 00:29:51.458
You know,

00:29:51.478 --> 00:29:52.838
the fusing is not going to happen.

00:29:53.259 --> 00:29:53.940
No, no.

00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:54.621
I wouldn't think so.

00:29:54.661 --> 00:29:55.161
And then you're going to

00:29:55.181 --> 00:29:56.362
have to mess with some of

00:29:57.482 --> 00:29:59.484
that rose gold solder, which I hate.

00:29:59.884 --> 00:30:00.565
Yeah, yeah.

00:30:00.585 --> 00:30:01.886
It always is a pain.

00:30:01.906 --> 00:30:02.866
I know.

00:30:03.288 --> 00:30:03.748
And you know what?

00:30:03.807 --> 00:30:03.827
I...

00:30:05.998 --> 00:30:09.839
I know that some granulation

00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:11.020
people have been,

00:30:11.941 --> 00:30:12.821
they will come in with a

00:30:12.862 --> 00:30:14.242
laser welder and tack, tack.

00:30:14.803 --> 00:30:15.383
Right.

00:30:15.462 --> 00:30:16.763
They'll tack things in place

00:30:17.044 --> 00:30:17.763
so they don't move.

00:30:18.224 --> 00:30:18.404
Yeah.

00:30:18.484 --> 00:30:19.984
The Pulsar welder is great for that.

00:30:20.145 --> 00:30:20.326
Yeah.

00:30:20.385 --> 00:30:20.826
Or a laser.

00:30:20.885 --> 00:30:21.346
A laser.

00:30:21.665 --> 00:30:22.707
They're using the laser a lot.

00:30:23.067 --> 00:30:24.107
and and that's the other

00:30:24.127 --> 00:30:24.768
thing a lot of people

00:30:24.788 --> 00:30:25.847
aren't aware of I didn't

00:30:25.928 --> 00:30:27.368
know this until uh I went

00:30:27.409 --> 00:30:29.690
to a class recently and the

00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:30.631
guy that I took the class

00:30:30.651 --> 00:30:31.550
with was master stone

00:30:31.570 --> 00:30:32.530
setter and he was

00:30:32.590 --> 00:30:33.612
explaining to me how he

00:30:33.711 --> 00:30:35.512
uses the laser welder to

00:30:35.553 --> 00:30:37.673
make the beads on his uh

00:30:37.713 --> 00:30:39.775
settings yes and it it made

00:30:39.954 --> 00:30:41.194
so much sense after he

00:30:41.255 --> 00:30:43.395
explained it but when I was

00:30:44.116 --> 00:30:44.977
when he first said oh yeah

00:30:44.997 --> 00:30:45.857
I just used the laser

00:30:45.897 --> 00:30:47.417
welder to make the the

00:30:47.458 --> 00:30:48.679
beads and I was like huh

00:30:49.884 --> 00:30:51.044
And you know who I heard

00:30:51.084 --> 00:30:53.204
that also from is Lonnie here in town.

00:30:53.224 --> 00:30:54.605
Yeah.

00:30:55.704 --> 00:30:57.246
And they were doing some

00:30:57.286 --> 00:30:59.946
assembly line type pave.

00:30:59.987 --> 00:31:02.707
And they had one guy pushing a curl.

00:31:02.967 --> 00:31:03.686
And that's all he did.

00:31:03.968 --> 00:31:04.928
He just pushed the curl.

00:31:05.307 --> 00:31:07.827
And then he handed it to the laser welder.

00:31:07.948 --> 00:31:08.729
And they went under and they

00:31:08.769 --> 00:31:10.788
hit the curl and just like bam, bam, bam.

00:31:10.808 --> 00:31:11.929
They were polished and everything.

00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:12.289
Yeah.

00:31:12.430 --> 00:31:14.329
So it was a one shot.

00:31:14.349 --> 00:31:15.390
That's what he was explaining to me.

00:31:15.410 --> 00:31:15.589
He said,

00:31:15.609 --> 00:31:17.270
you saved so much time and everything.

00:31:17.290 --> 00:31:17.411
Yes.

00:31:18.590 --> 00:31:19.771
And there's no risk of

00:31:20.712 --> 00:31:23.035
slippage or any of that kind of thing.

00:31:23.236 --> 00:31:23.455
No.

00:31:24.576 --> 00:31:27.638
But, yeah, there's so many tricks.

00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:28.539
Yes.

00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.102
And I think that's the advantage.

00:31:31.001 --> 00:31:31.863
I know it's an advantage

00:31:31.903 --> 00:31:32.584
since I've been on this

00:31:32.624 --> 00:31:33.785
team for – I've been on the

00:31:33.825 --> 00:31:35.747
tech team now for over six years.

00:31:36.007 --> 00:31:36.186
Yeah.

00:31:36.507 --> 00:31:37.828
And before I came here,

00:31:38.970 --> 00:31:41.990
I didn't have the time to –

00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:42.811
I was so busy.

00:31:43.172 --> 00:31:43.952
I was at my bench.

00:31:44.053 --> 00:31:45.053
Just doing your thing.

00:31:45.133 --> 00:31:47.535
Humped over my bench, grinding it out,

00:31:47.816 --> 00:31:48.875
making jewelry, right?

00:31:50.698 --> 00:31:51.959
But once I came here,

00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:53.619
it was like this cornucopia

00:31:54.181 --> 00:31:56.642
of knowledge that it was like, holy cow,

00:31:56.682 --> 00:31:57.682
I had no idea.

00:31:57.702 --> 00:31:59.023
Yeah, yeah.

00:31:59.305 --> 00:32:00.526
And that's why I encourage people,

00:32:01.046 --> 00:32:01.306
you know,

00:32:01.526 --> 00:32:03.167
everybody out there who's watching this,

00:32:03.587 --> 00:32:04.348
whether you're watching it

00:32:04.409 --> 00:32:06.210
live or you're watching a recording of it,

00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:07.691
Tech Team Tuesday is a

00:32:07.770 --> 00:32:09.071
perfect opportunity to ask

00:32:09.112 --> 00:32:10.673
questions to people who...

00:32:11.473 --> 00:32:12.634
have been there, done that,

00:32:13.075 --> 00:32:14.634
or they know somebody who has.

00:32:14.894 --> 00:32:15.115
Yes.

00:32:15.976 --> 00:32:17.215
And you can ask those questions,

00:32:17.496 --> 00:32:19.076
which brings us to another question.

00:32:19.096 --> 00:32:20.376
We've got another question on Instagram.

00:32:20.596 --> 00:32:21.438
Sure.

00:32:22.357 --> 00:32:24.358
Tribulet Escola.

00:32:25.358 --> 00:32:27.039
I would like to know if they

00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.559
use any products to ensure

00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:29.961
the gold doesn't lose its

00:32:30.060 --> 00:32:31.721
shine when soldering.

00:32:33.521 --> 00:32:33.842
Well,

00:32:35.241 --> 00:32:37.282
that's one of the big advantages of

00:32:37.502 --> 00:32:39.304
the barrier flux.

00:32:39.624 --> 00:32:39.743
Yeah.

00:32:42.557 --> 00:32:46.300
And I was working with a silversmith,

00:32:46.320 --> 00:32:48.423
a friend of mine named Paul.

00:32:48.443 --> 00:32:48.903
He's deaf.

00:32:48.964 --> 00:32:50.526
He's a phenomenal silversmith.

00:32:52.107 --> 00:32:54.651
I showed him barrier flux.

00:32:54.691 --> 00:32:56.713
And at that time, I just used the,

00:32:57.974 --> 00:32:59.237
what's the pink one that we sell?

00:33:01.057 --> 00:33:01.979
I know what it looks like.

00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:03.259
I forgot the name of it.

00:33:03.820 --> 00:33:05.782
But anyway, we sell a barrier flux,

00:33:05.823 --> 00:33:06.604
and it's not flammable.

00:33:06.663 --> 00:33:07.565
It doesn't have alcohol in it.

00:33:07.924 --> 00:33:09.586
But it's pink in color.

00:33:09.666 --> 00:33:10.228
I'll remember it.

00:33:10.587 --> 00:33:13.191
But anyway, he made a piece,

00:33:13.550 --> 00:33:14.311
and he polished it.

00:33:14.771 --> 00:33:16.614
And I told him, dip it in here,

00:33:17.275 --> 00:33:21.640
and then solder on it.

00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:23.580
And even coming out of the pickle,

00:33:23.661 --> 00:33:24.500
you would think the pickle

00:33:24.540 --> 00:33:25.580
would make it white too.

00:33:26.060 --> 00:33:26.862
But he pulled it out of the

00:33:26.902 --> 00:33:27.862
pickle and he just rubbed

00:33:27.882 --> 00:33:28.402
it with his hand.

00:33:28.422 --> 00:33:29.903
And he goes, wow, look, it's still,

00:33:30.682 --> 00:33:32.123
it's going to take a lot less.

00:33:32.604 --> 00:33:34.144
Like it's already pre-polished.

00:33:34.183 --> 00:33:35.365
All you got to do is hit a final.

00:33:36.664 --> 00:33:38.506
That barrier flux is good on

00:33:38.546 --> 00:33:39.165
sterling as well.

00:33:39.766 --> 00:33:40.405
And that's what I try to

00:33:40.445 --> 00:33:41.507
explain to people because

00:33:43.287 --> 00:33:44.207
it's something that isn't

00:33:44.268 --> 00:33:45.107
commonly taught.

00:33:45.996 --> 00:33:47.336
And some people think that

00:33:47.997 --> 00:33:50.117
it's an extra step and it's unnecessary.

00:33:50.637 --> 00:33:51.597
But in the long run,

00:33:51.638 --> 00:33:53.298
it really saves you a lot of time.

00:33:53.878 --> 00:33:54.299
Oh, yeah.

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.039
It cuts down on the fire

00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:57.941
scale or the fire stain,

00:33:57.980 --> 00:33:59.221
whichever you prefer to call it,

00:33:59.261 --> 00:33:59.882
that kind of thing.

00:34:00.382 --> 00:34:01.383
And it's just one of those

00:34:01.423 --> 00:34:03.183
things where you're working smarter,

00:34:03.223 --> 00:34:03.723
not harder.

00:34:03.903 --> 00:34:04.144
Yes.

00:34:04.584 --> 00:34:05.023
But, yeah.

00:34:05.484 --> 00:34:08.246
So we're coming to the end

00:34:08.266 --> 00:34:09.206
of our time here, Greg.

00:34:10.047 --> 00:34:10.806
I wanted to ask you

00:34:10.987 --> 00:34:12.327
questions about wax carving,

00:34:12.347 --> 00:34:13.347
and we didn't even get to that.

00:34:13.728 --> 00:34:13.947
Okay.

00:34:13.967 --> 00:34:15.369
So we're going to have to do this again.

00:34:15.708 --> 00:34:17.230
okay because uh you're a

00:34:17.289 --> 00:34:18.471
plethora of information

00:34:18.751 --> 00:34:20.632
thanks and um let me check

00:34:20.672 --> 00:34:23.434
here real quick um the uh

00:34:23.614 --> 00:34:24.875
the flux you were talking

00:34:24.954 --> 00:34:27.237
about is the stop box stop

00:34:27.257 --> 00:34:28.998
box too and uh roman

00:34:29.038 --> 00:34:30.358
numeral two it's uh yep

00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.880
stop box two anti-fire

00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.461
scale coating spray yeah and um

00:34:37.130 --> 00:34:38.110
we got that in there.

00:34:38.791 --> 00:34:39.952
Um, like I said,

00:34:40.233 --> 00:34:41.393
we're going to have to do this again.

00:34:41.554 --> 00:34:43.536
Remember everybody Lindstrom

00:34:43.835 --> 00:34:46.458
one for 10% off all

00:34:46.538 --> 00:34:48.699
Lindstrom items for the month of April.

00:34:49.501 --> 00:34:51.842
Um, Lindstrom one is the code.

00:34:52.643 --> 00:34:52.744
Uh,

00:34:52.943 --> 00:34:54.686
if you haven't ever used Lindstrom

00:34:54.945 --> 00:34:57.507
cutters or pliers, I encourage you to,

00:34:57.588 --> 00:34:59.030
there's some of the best in the world.

00:34:59.789 --> 00:35:00.210
And, um,

00:35:01.242 --> 00:35:01.762
Before we go,

00:35:01.782 --> 00:35:03.023
I want to ask you one question.

00:35:03.405 --> 00:35:03.545
Yep.

00:35:03.965 --> 00:35:04.766
I have these canned

00:35:04.806 --> 00:35:06.266
questions that I tend to ask people.

00:35:07.047 --> 00:35:08.608
But this is one I haven't

00:35:08.668 --> 00:35:09.608
asked a couple of people in

00:35:09.628 --> 00:35:10.849
a couple of interviews.

00:35:10.889 --> 00:35:11.570
But I want to ask you,

00:35:11.590 --> 00:35:12.471
because you've been doing

00:35:12.490 --> 00:35:13.411
this for 50 years.

00:35:14.172 --> 00:35:15.313
If you went back to your

00:35:15.333 --> 00:35:17.175
12-year-old self and you

00:35:17.215 --> 00:35:19.135
could give yourself one piece of advice,

00:35:20.496 --> 00:35:21.038
what would it be?

00:35:21.478 --> 00:35:23.018
Because you've had a very

00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:23.800
successful career.

00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:24.699
You've had a great life.

00:35:25.740 --> 00:35:29.563
You know, I would say...

00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:36.052
not to not I would say go go

00:35:36.172 --> 00:35:37.353
deeper in the the

00:35:37.414 --> 00:35:38.675
specialties that you like

00:35:39.596 --> 00:35:41.137
and get and get the best

00:35:41.317 --> 00:35:42.858
training you can possibly

00:35:42.918 --> 00:35:45.920
get go to the person who's

00:35:45.980 --> 00:35:46.940
doing the thing that you

00:35:46.981 --> 00:35:48.501
want to do because that's

00:35:48.521 --> 00:35:49.342
the only person who can

00:35:49.362 --> 00:35:50.123
tell you how to get there

00:35:50.242 --> 00:35:53.085
right and they may not even be teachers

00:35:54.425 --> 00:35:56.067
And I have talked people

00:35:56.106 --> 00:35:57.047
into teaching me how to do

00:35:57.086 --> 00:35:58.166
stuff who weren't teaching

00:35:58.206 --> 00:35:59.487
or didn't have a class or anything.

00:35:59.527 --> 00:36:01.367
I just convinced them just

00:36:01.409 --> 00:36:02.989
to teach me one-on-one or whatever.

00:36:03.028 --> 00:36:05.269
But a lot of times people will do that.

00:36:05.829 --> 00:36:07.329
So I would say approach them and ask them.

00:36:07.349 --> 00:36:07.791
But yes,

00:36:08.271 --> 00:36:11.811
get the best training you can

00:36:11.851 --> 00:36:14.492
possibly get in the area that you love,

00:36:14.693 --> 00:36:15.853
that you have a passion for.

00:36:15.913 --> 00:36:17.273
That's a perfect segue out

00:36:17.313 --> 00:36:18.213
of our conversation.

00:36:18.463 --> 00:36:19.684
Tech Team Tuesday today.

00:36:20.405 --> 00:36:22.367
So next Tuesday, 11 a.m.

00:36:22.588 --> 00:36:23.048
Mountain Time.

00:36:23.349 --> 00:36:24.650
Don't forget Lindstrom One.

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We'll see you next Tuesday.

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Bye.