Fearlessly Facing Fifty And Beyond
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EP214: Finding Time in a World of Chaos: Breaking Free from Over-Achievement
Have you ever felt like you're doing everything "right" according to everyone else's checklist, yet something feels profoundly missing? Margaret White knows that feeling all too well. As a self-proclaimed recovering perfectionist and former overachiever, she found herself waking up one morning with the stark realization that despite her successful career, marriage, and all the external markers of achievement, she was utterly depleted.
This powerful conversation takes us through Margaret's transformative journey from living by others' expectations to discovering what she calls "soul alignment." With refreshing candor, she shares the moment that changed everything – when she canceled her husband from their vacation and spent two weeks alone in the Caribbean, reconnecting with herself and hearing the whispers of her intuition for perhaps the first time in years.
Margaret challenges conventional wisdom around work-life balance, suggesting we should instead seek harmony – a dynamic dance that ebbs and flows rather than a tightrope walk of tension. "We were never intended or created to work from depletion," she explains. "We were created to be poured into so that we could then give of our gifts, time, and talent to others."
The discussion dives deep into what it means to get over "the overs" – overachieving, overstriving, overfunctioning, overcompensating, and overcommitting. For women who find themselves perpetually stuck in these patterns, Margaret offers practical wisdom for breaking free and creating space for what truly matters. She simplifies the often-elusive concept of alignment: "Alignment really comes down to how you're choosing."
Whether you're feeling caught in a hamster wheel of busyness, struggling with permission to prioritize your needs, or simply seeking more meaning in your daily life, Margaret's parting wisdom will stay with you: "Don't shrink to fit into spaces you're not meant to be in." This episode is for anyone ready to move beyond external validation and into the powerful place of living authentically, loving abundantly, and thriving unimaginably.
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Hey Fearless Friends, it's Amy Schmidt and welcome to another episode of the Fearlessly Facing 50 and Beyond podcast. We've got a great guest in store for you today. I just want to remind you, don't forget to check out the website fearlesslyfacing50.com, f-i-f-t-y and you know what. You can follow me on all the socials. Theamyschmidt and fearlesslyfacing50 underscore the F-word series. That's what we're into right now is the F Word series. Yep, you got it All those F words we face as we age.
Speaker 1:Today's guest is Margaret White. She is an inspiration in so many ways. If you are someone that has been dictated by your calendar, maybe you roll out of bed and the first thing you do is check your socials, check your emails, and you have a to-do list that is overflowing. This is an episode for you. We're going to be talking about fearlessly finding time, finding time in our busy schedules, so stay tuned for my episode with Margaret White. Hey, fearless friends. Well, you heard in the intro, this is going to be another great conversation.
Speaker 1:I'm excited about this show and you know, before I even get started today, I want to say you know, I don't have really coaches on my show. I have to be honest, I really, in all of the years of doing it, I haven't had many coaches on, because for no other reason than that I get a lot of pitches from coaches and I think they do a wonderful job. And I want to preface this by saying I met Margaret gosh. I met Margaret just recently and it's so funny because when you meet somebody and you find this instant not only inspiration but just a desire to learn more, a curiosity about a person, and that's exactly what Margaret White has brought into my life. So welcome to the show, my friend.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me, Amy. Such an honor to be here.
Speaker 1:I'm just excited to have you here. And you know what? It's funny, because we've now been together like four days in the last seven. Yeah, it's been four out of seven, it's been four out of seven, so that's pretty good odds. It's just really interesting how you know how we are both believers and we're both strong Christian women and that's really a part of who we are and it's at the core of what we do. And I think when you meet somebody and you share these values and just similarities in so many ways, it's so fun and that's when the magic happens.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. I feel that connection too. Isn't that funny yeah.
Speaker 1:So, and maybe we'll go to Italy together.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm doing a breakthrough retreat over there this fall. You're more than welcome.
Speaker 1:Exactly, prego, prego, like I would like to do the whole, the whole thing. I think it sounds amazing. So you know, I said in the intro a little bit about six words live authentically, love abundantly and thrive unimaginably. Those are powerful words and they're words that you really are behind. So let's walk through those. What do those six words really mean to you?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, if I can go back just a little bit to tell a little bit of my yeah Years ago, you know I've always been an overachiever, High achieving Me too Self-proclaimed.
Speaker 1:Perfectionist.
Speaker 2:Total perfectionist.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'm recovering with that. I say that often.
Speaker 2:Yes, always recovering, and now helping other women to recover is what I'm trying to do. Yep, I found myself in a space of really knowing I was doing everything according to everybody else's checklist. If you were to look at my life, you would think it would be so successful. There would be such happiness and such joy because I had checked everything off the list the marriage, the amazing career, the promotions, trips to Caribbean, the Europe, the big house, all the things that both ends didn't even sum up my life. It was even more dramatically worse than that, as far as just the amount of time, effort and energy I spent in work.
Speaker 2:Weekends became work ends and I really had that epiphany one day that this is not the life that God intended for me. Right, and something was so off and I felt it in my core and I had to take a pattern, disrupt for myself from my life to break away, and I actually took a vacation by myself. Well, there's power in that. There is absolute power in disconnecting to reconnect with yourself. Right, breaking away to break through. Yeah, and what I realized was that, while I was filling my life, what was missing was this soul, aligned fulfillment, wow.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that's hitting the chord with a lot of people right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've really worked over the last years in my own personal transformation to make sure that what I'm doing and what's on my calendar, where I'm putting my effort and energy, is really in alignment with what I'm divinely meant for yeah, divinely meant for. And I've made a lot of decisions over the last years. I retired early, for example, which, if you would have said in 2019, I would have retired early. I would have thought you were crazy, because I thought I was going to be working till at least 55, et cetera, in the career that I was in at the time. But I made a decision that was soul aligned to care for my mother In her time of need, yeah, in her time of need.
Speaker 2:Dementia, bordering on Alzheimer's, other medical issues that were pressing not enough leave time that I could ever take off to do what I needed to do for her and I made that choice to be present for her, and it was one of the best decisions that I made because it was soul aligned and I just use that as one of the many examples in my last years. But when I talk about living authentically, what's your truth? We all, I believe, have a divine imprint, one that God has placed within us, and it's up to us to try to listen and to hear that whisper as to what that is. I worked so much over the last years on fine-tuning my intuition.
Speaker 1:That's another powerful thing.
Speaker 2:Absolutely powerful. Yeah, one of my favorite quotes by Florence Scovel Shinn goes like this prayer is us phoning God. Intuition is God phoning us, phoning us, but so many of us don't take that time to be still.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, listen what's in listen Silence, right. You know being silent and listening and sometimes you hear things or you listen to things you really don't want to hear. Yeah, and that probably was that moment for you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You know, I had Annie Mayfield on a few weeks ago, who is just a rock star. She's a young woman and she's just on fire for life, for God, for everything and everything that she does. But she said to me I was addicted to achievement. And that just was like I think a lot of us are addicted to achievement and once we get that goal, that achievement, then it's like okay, now I'm onto something else, because that's not good enough, I got to do something else. So in that silence, in that stillness that you had, you found this epiphany of who you really are and what you're meant for, and I started aligning my life and my choices with that.
Speaker 1:Walk me through. Aligning. It's a strong word. It's a word that's being used a lot. Alignment Walk me through what that means for you. Can you define it?
Speaker 2:Well, alignment really comes down to how you're choosing True and a lot of people don't realize that that's a simple definition, very simple.
Speaker 1:Because, you think it's going to be some Webster Dictionary long drawn out thing.
Speaker 2:Right, and you think that all of a sudden, one day you're like, ah, I'm aligned. Yeah, and it comes down to the choices that you're making in your life. Right, because if you're not aligning your daily choices with what you value, right, with what is soul aligned to you, yeah, you know, it's just like when I talk to women. Some women are afraid to say no. I was just going to say no is as sacred of a choice as yes is. Yes, you're right, and we need to honor that.
Speaker 1:So you were never saying no before.
Speaker 2:I was never saying no Right, it was just sure I'll do it yeah.
Speaker 1:Margaret will do it. You're like, didn't I say it was like Mikey in the Life commercial, remember? Yes, mikey will do it, he'll do anything.
Speaker 2:That was Amy too.
Speaker 1:Amy will do it. Yeah, and there's still an element of that. I see in myself like, oh, all right, I can do it, but I am learning to step into no as a complete sentence, right, and simply saying with no apology, simply saying I'm at capacity. Thank you for thinking of me.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it Not right now Exactly, and sometimes you need to realize it might be someone else's place to step in, there where you have to say no, yeah, and that gives someone else an opportunity, right, and you keeping a door closed, it might allow another person to rise. That's true, that's true, and we don't often think of it that way. So alignment really is about choosing. It's about choosing.
Speaker 1:Wow, I bet that's got a lot of people thinking. You know, when I met Margaret, we were talking I think it was last week and Margaret's a big tennis player and of course now we're in Florida, so there's a lot of time to play tennis in this beautiful sunshine and you said to me you know what? No, that's my, you've kind of blocked your time. I may not be using the correct word, but you were very open and transparent about the fact. No, that's when I'm playing tennis, that's when I'm doing this. And those were treating yourself like a guest of honor. You were doing something for you.
Speaker 1:And I believe we all need to yeah Well you were taking years off your life, as was I. When we're saying yes to everything, yes, you absolutely do.
Speaker 2:And the thing I'm going to challenge the myth of that, because I chased it for years, right as many women do, but guess what? I've never, really ever, found anybody that got there. And here's why Because we treat balance. When you think of balance, it's like equilibrium.
Speaker 1:It's like assuming all parts.
Speaker 2:Well, not just a balance beam. Imagine a tightrope. Oh right, yeah, With that pole trying to balance everything.
Speaker 1:A picture of Phil Dunphy on Modern Family. He was like two feet off the ground. Yeah, right, okay, I'm there.
Speaker 2:So there's tension, yeah, there's fear, right, there's trying to move forward, but having to do it so slowly. And, to me, one of the things that I've realized is that life is about harmony, and harmony is a dance, and sometimes it's a super fast, fun dance, super fast, exerting dance. Sometimes it's slow and sweet, and then it's everything in between, and if you can begin to view life as seeking harmony versus balance, you're going to be so much happier, because balance is elusive. You're really never going to get there. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1:That's true, wow, see, this is why I brought Margaret on the show. She's amazing. You're very thoughtful and contemplative with your words too, which I really, I really like. Margaret was part of a panel, just an event we were in together, and you talked a lot about overachieving. You know these whole things about overs and I love that you talk about that and that's your thing. This is Margaret's thing. So nobody take the overs, because this is her thing, and I think it's so cool, because overgiving over, serving over all of that, when really what we should be doing is.
Speaker 2:We need to be in overflow, overflow. Yeah, that's the only over we should be in.
Speaker 1:Right and I picture that as you know that saying that goes around, that says you can't pour from an empty cup, but you know you fill it up because you have to have it actually going over the sides onto the little saucer so you're serving others as well. Is that kind of what that means?
Speaker 2:Absolutely Okay. We never pour into ourselves as women. At times we get stuck in the overs, and what I want to help women with is I want a movement of getting over the overs. Yeah, Feeling like we need to be overachieving over striving, over functioning, over compensating, over apologizing, over promising, over committing. I could go on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how many women are going? Oh man, she's like she's hitting a nerve right now?
Speaker 2:And how many others could we add to that list that I didn't? Even mention so many Right Stuck in the overs. But what we realize? We were never intended or created to work from depletion Right. We were created to be poured into so that we could then give of our gifts time and talent to others. And working from depletion, you will never get as much out of that as you will in working from overflow. Overflow is where it's at. Overflow I like it and again, overflow actually taps into alignment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2:Because if you're choosing things, you use the tennis example for me, I love time with my friends and I combine fitness with it, so that's some sacred time that I schedule to pour into myself. Yes, because friendships fun and fitness fuels me. Yeah, so how?
Speaker 1:do you do that for yourself? A lot of F-words right there. I love that.
Speaker 2:That's what we talk about. I know you love your F-words.
Speaker 1:I love my F-words. I want you to take me to that moment and I know this is personal, so you know you go as deep in as you want, but I know my moment and I've shared it before. But I'd love to hear your moment when you thought I just I can't, I can't do this anymore. Was it anxiety? Was it? Was it just sadness? Was it just, I mean, depletion? Yes, you were depleted. But take me to that time when you just said you know, eat, pray, love that book years ago, where she was on the bathroom floor and all of that. Did you have one of those moments?
Speaker 2:Yeah, mine was actually looking in the bathroom mirror one morning, really Waking up one morning, and you know I can't even recall everything that had happened because life was a blur back then, to be very honest. Yeah, of just event after event. You were dictated by your schedule, Everything you know, were you married at that honest of just event after event. You were dictated by your schedule, everything. Were you married at that point?
Speaker 1:I was married at that point, and that could be a whole other podcast topic, exactly.
Speaker 2:Because I was in a marriage that I stayed in where I wasn't valued as I should have been, and again overcompensating, over-functioning, over-apologizing. And again overcompensating, overfunctioning, overapologizing. Back in those overs and I woke up and I realized honestly that my life was just not as fulfilling as it should be. I was not as inspired as I should be.
Speaker 2:And while I loved my work don't get me wrong I worked with some of the most amazing people so successful, yes, and we did amazing work together for kids, for the families, for the community, and I'm so proud of that work. But at the end of the day, I was running to the ground and I was exhausted, trying to be everything for everyone and not just in one corner of my life, in all of them, and I actually, that day, made a decision. This is how I ended up on that breakaway, by myself, I canceled my husband out of our vacation and I went by myself for two weeks down to the Caribbean. Wow, yes, it's your moment. That was my moment. And I sat on a beach and I remember. Did you feel lonely? No, I started to feel expansive. Were you nervous? No, I started to come back to myself because the only person I could hear in my head was me and God, and I had not given myself that chance or opportunity to be still. I couldn't remember the last time I was on go.
Speaker 1:You had to be with yourself. I said this recently and I mention it in my book the fact that a good friend of mine, I had three very busy life and I was involved in everything book the fact that a good friend of mine, I had three very busy life and I was involved in everything. I was a stay-at-home mom at this point, traveling here and there with my kids, and my husband was gone four nights, three nights a week. And a friend of mine said your Honda Odyssey, your minivan, is never in the driveway. You're always doing something, you're always busy. You're always what are you doing, like committee meetings and this I was so overextended, there's another over that I actually I wrote in the book that I wondered if at that point in my life I was just like a hamster wheel, because if I actually was silent and still with myself would I actually like myself.
Speaker 2:That's a question a lot of women ask themselves. They're scared to slow down because they're afraid of what? Not only that, but they're also afraid externally. What other people will think about it? External validation for people that are the overachievers, the high performingperforming, ambitious women that plays a huge part in it as well.
Speaker 1:It's not the comparison trap, it's more of the self-worth, the validation part of it. Yes, wow. So you're sitting on a beach and maybe having a margarita or two, I hope, perhaps A lot of whatever, and you're just, I think, in those moments of stillness, yeah, you really do uncover and rediscover things about yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'll never forget and I actually use this quote on my website because I just love it by Anis Nin I was reading a book and it happened to be at the top of one of the chapters and I can't even remember what the book was, right, but the quote the risk to remain tight in the bud may be greater than the risk to blossom. And I was staying tight in my bud, wow, with what I knew. And I just remember looking at that and I must have reread it 20 different times. Yeah, and tears just came streaming down my face. Yeah, because at that moment and I'm sitting, I'm sitting literally in the water, partially in a chair, on this beach, where there were only two or three other people, and all I feel are these waves washing over me, and I just knew at that moment that I was meant for something totally different in my life Totally different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was time for me to start making choices that aligned with me Were you surprised at your husband.
Speaker 1:Did he not show up that whole time, like he didn't come and join you or anything? I told him not to. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I made it explicitly clear, you made it clear, I made it clear I needed that time. For me, that's big Well, and it was at that juncture that I actually decided I needed to ask for a divorce. Really, yes, yeah, and that was part of the moving forward. Yeah, the moving forward.
Speaker 1:Amazing, yeah, and I'm sure so many women listening are like no-transcript, that were like you're working too hard, like take a break. Did you ever get that? Were you just so on top of your game all the time that nobody thought you needed anything?
Speaker 2:Well, here's what's interesting, so a lot of the people I was surrounded with, and especially the women, they were in the same place. I was in so many ways, and so there was just an expectation that you're at this level. I basically was on call 24-7 since I was 27. Wow, right, wow yeah. As a school leader and then a district leader, you know and you never know what's going to happen, right and when. So that was part of the culture, yeah, and it was just accepted.
Speaker 2:It was just accepted and accepted, right, correct, and I watch so many of the women, especially in that field, because education does have a ton of women in it. The percentage is a lot higher there in that field. They knew that you're going to have to put in that work if you want that promotion. Your trajectory is going here. You want that next job? Yes, and it's like that in so many work cultures as well, and that's where I think that we do a disservice to ourselves at times. So I either see, because of that culture, oftentimes I will see women playing it too small. They're really destined for something greater but they're afraid what that greatness might bring into their life or that it might disrupt something in their life, or they might face fear to go into it Right. And then there are those that go into it wholeheartedly and then they're just not quite sure how to find that harmony back in their life.
Speaker 1:You know, raising a family, making sure, as you get older, your own parents are cared for as you need them to be. Their generation, you know? Or the same age, right? You know we're the same age, right, you know my parents have both passed, but, yeah, we're caring for, you know, aging parents. Yep, it's a tough gig, for sure. I talked to a woman yesterday, india Martin. She's out of DC, and we were talking about some of the things that she's done and she said you know, amy, when people would come into me women in my office and talk about their jobs, it wasn't job stress, it was all of the other peripheral things that they were dealing with. The men that would come in my office were like, yeah, here's the deal, this is what I'm dealing with at work. There was no outside noise on that periphery, whereas women, it was always dealing with menopause, or I'm dealing with something with one of my kids, or I'm dealing with my aging parents. We carry so much weight.
Speaker 2:We do, yeah, we constantly carry it, because we don't give ourselves permission.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a big word. You like that word permission. I always wonder about that word, Like do we have to give ourselves permission?
Speaker 2:If you don't, who will True? That's true. If you don't, who will True? That's true. And if you don't, what will you do differently? And if you don't, what would you do differently If you don't give yourself permission?
Speaker 1:Good reframe there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that Because the thing is, we have to be able to give ourselves a pass, a permission slip per se on some things. Yes, yes, you're right, right and honestly, do you want to know what permission is?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do want to know. It's grace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go, there you go. Permission is grace, yeah, and if God can give that to us, we can give it to ourselves, we can give it to ourselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, mic drop. See, margaret White gotta love her. So you come back. We've only got a few minutes left. But you come back and going through a divorce, you're going through all that. You still have your job. I assume You're still working. Did you ever have that moment? And I say this a lot, you know where? You're just in bed and it's like man, I just want to put those covers back over my head because I just can't face it. I want you to walk me through. I'm sure you've had a day like For somebody listening that might be right there right now thinking I don't know, I'm on this cul-de-sac and it just keeps going around. Give me a couple tangible takeaways for listeners that you help women in those situations.
Speaker 2:Well, so first let me say that, yes, I have had one of those moments, but that was really before I had the epiphany. Okay, so you really haven't had that many since you're-. Since I have really honed in on soul alignment. Like there's a divine imprint in you and when you find it, there becomes a fire in you. That is unstoppable, yeah.
Speaker 1:I can see that in you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And so, when I started making decisions that were aligned, my life started to free and open up right in front of me.
Speaker 2:And I continued to ask myself and here's the beautiful thing Some of your greatest growth happens in the smallest of moments. Right, I would agree with that. Where you are on the edge, you're looking way ahead to where you know you want to be, and you know that there's a great gap and a great chasm in between that. It feels so daunting, almost like trying to cross the Grand Canyon on a pogo stick. There you go, but the thing is, what's my next step? And then my next? All of those small incremental steps add up like compound interest, and we know what can happen to a bank account over a couple years with compound interest. Right, right, yeah, so it's easy to get stuck, and that's what I help women get up and out of. Yeah, that feeling of being stuck, yeah, and it starts by taking inspired action.
Speaker 1:Inspired action and I love that about you and that's I love that about you and that's why I think I wanted to have you on too, because that's what it's about. It's about action, movement about movement. Yeah, I use that analogy of. You know, my book is called cannonball and you know, standing on the top of that diving board when you were a kid, and just that fearless exhilaration of just going and cannonballing off, making that splash and everybody's watching and being like she's so cool and you're making sure everybody's watching you because you feel so cool and you want to do it again and again. And then we get to a point, wherever that is in our life, where we get stuck on that middle rung. You're like, ah, you know what, I'll do it. I'm sure you get a lot of women that'll say, okay, yeah, I'll start next year when I have more money, when I have more time, next year, when I have more money, when I have more time, when I'm 10 pounds slimmer. That's what we tell ourselves.
Speaker 2:We are great at self-sabotage, aren't we? Yes, we are, we are, and one of the first things that I have to work with women on through my personal revolution code is liberation, and that's liberating them from their limiting beliefs and their thoughts, their patterns and the stories and the narratives that they have that are inside of them, that are created from external sources, oftentimes before they're even seven, and then they seek validation for what they have found. Year after year after year, they continue to look for those same things, so they believe them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Right, Right. Ants we call them ants. Negative thoughts, a negative thought, and you want to stomp out those ants. You know, and how many negative thoughts we have, Right? Have you done any research around men versus women on negative thoughts?
Speaker 2:So I haven't specifically about negative thoughts. However, I have done some work with the women centered coaching model which is something that I specialize in as well. I've done some work with Claire Zamet her team through that and I'm remembering correctly, the statistic is around 80% of women all hold limiting beliefs that they basically are repeating daily. Yeah, and it's astonishing that it's somewhere like 20% of men. Yeah, I thought so. It's the gap, it's unbelievable. It's there and it's unbelievable, yes.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be linking everything about Margaret in the episode notes so you can contact her. You work worldwide, countrywide, with women, wherever. I highly encourage you to reach out to Margaret and you will find the amazing woman, the gifts that she has, her ability to thoughtfully move you along your journey is wonderful. So I'll have all that in the episode notes. A couple of things. First of all, how are you fearlessly facing friends right now? Because I mean, listen, friendships are not easy. They come and go, they evolve. 60 seconds on how you're fearlessly facing friends.
Speaker 2:So again it comes down to me for that soul alignment, I would rather have 10 to 12 soul aligned friends where we have deep sisterhood and connection, than 100 or 200 that are just surface level, yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, you're not a small talk girl Me either. I always say that I'm not. They always say, if Amy were in a room, it's like you got a couch and you got people all around her and then you got Kleenex boxes. Because we go deep, we dig in, we do. It's not peripheral talk. I love that talk.
Speaker 2:I love that Fearlessly facing faith, faith, you know you have to have some type of a routine for that.
Speaker 2:I firmly believe that and that was something that was missing in my life. I always had deep faith. I would go to church, you know. I would do the practices, you know pray. I was a firm believer, but it wasn't a daily integration and that shifted for me. Yeah, and I believe that you know you have to change your spirit to where you are connecting with source, with God, on a daily basis. Right, and that for some could be a walk in nature connecting, seeing all the miracles that are around every single day. Yep, yep, at a red light, exactly Stopping to every single day. Yep, yep, at a red light, exactly Stopping to say a prayer.
Speaker 2:Yes, Reflecting on the day saying you know, god, give me my next inspired. Step.
Speaker 1:Right, so great. Yeah, it's like a sunset for us. My husband and I always sit at the sunset every night. We always pause. Sunset's our thing, and what are the words you describe? A sunset, heavenly. You want this moment to last forever, those moments of silence, stillness, all of that Realigning, harmony, balance. I love it. You've hit on so many great things. Last question before we leave is, of course, the one I ask everybody, and that's Margaret. If you're sitting on the couch and you look to your left and there's Margaret at age 30, what advice would you give her?
Speaker 2:Don't shrink to fit into spaces you're not meant to be in.
Speaker 1:That's good.
Speaker 2:That's good. We too often stay in cages or boxes of our own design. Yes, and I had many other opportunities during the time when I was leading that I did not branch out into, and while I wouldn't trade my journey for anything, because it has led me here, if I could speak to my younger self I would say do not ever shrink to fit into a space you're not meant to be in.
Speaker 1:That's a mic drop right there. So thank you for joining us. Margaret White, You're amazing. We'll reach out to margaret thank you, and we're going to do a lot more together. Love it, so stay tuned. Thanks everybody for joining. Thanks so much for listening today. We know how valuable your time is and that's why we keep it short and sweet. Don't forget to follow us on all the socials, and you can check out all the links and resources in the show notes. Until next time, go forth and be awesome.