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What"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1483.29,"endTime":1486.17,"body":"do you think the challenges are"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1486.17,"endTime":1488.69,"body":"going to be in the future for"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1486.17,"endTime":1488.69,"body":"bat conservation?"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1489.98,"endTime":1492.47,"body":"Well, we have"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1489.98,"endTime":1492.47,"body":"a challenge in front of us."},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1492.47,"endTime":1495.98,"body":"We've had the challenge for a"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1492.47,"endTime":1495.98,"body":"long time in front of us and"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1495.98,"endTime":1500.3,"body":"that is a lack of information,"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1495.98,"endTime":1500.3,"body":"of real information and As you"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1500.3,"endTime":1505.46,"body":"know, there's a lot of people"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1500.3,"endTime":1505.46,"body":"who still blame bats for COVID."},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1505.61,"endTime":1510.23,"body":"And that is absolutely not true."},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1505.61,"endTime":1510.23,"body":"COVID is a human disease, that"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1510.23,"endTime":1512.18,"body":"if you're going to get it,"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1510.23,"endTime":1512.18,"body":"you're going to get it from"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1512.18,"endTime":1516.26,"body":"another human being, it's not"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1512.18,"endTime":1516.26,"body":"true that bats are going to give"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1516.26,"endTime":1521.57,"body":"you COVID. 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The"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1570.47,"endTime":1573.83,"body":"mitigation measures need to"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1573.83,"endTime":1578.24,"body":"become law in your country and"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1573.83,"endTime":1578.24,"body":"in my country, and we're"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1578.24,"endTime":1580.1,"body":"fighting to make that a reality."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1581.33,"endTime":1583.46,"body":"Rodrigo Medion. It's"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1581.33,"endTime":1583.46,"body":"been an honour to have you on"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1583.46,"endTime":1584.81,"body":"the podcast. Thanks very much."},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1584.96,"endTime":1586.67,"body":"It's a"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1584.96,"endTime":1586.67,"body":"pleasure to be here. Thank you,"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Medellin","startTime":1586.67,"endTime":1587.72,"body":"Steve for having me."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1592.04,"endTime":1594.378,"body":"Rodrigo is one of"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1592.04,"endTime":1594.378,"body":"those people you could spend all"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1594.425,"endTime":1597.044,"body":"day talking to and it still"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1594.425,"endTime":1597.044,"body":"wouldn't be enough time. His"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1597.091,"endTime":1599.85,"body":"enthusiasm is infectious, and"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1597.091,"endTime":1599.85,"body":"his talk the next day was the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1599.897,"endTime":1602.563,"body":"best I've ever seen open a"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1599.897,"endTime":1602.563,"body":"conference. You can find links"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1602.61,"endTime":1605.276,"body":"to Rodrigo's work in the show"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1602.61,"endTime":1605.276,"body":"notes along with his social"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1605.323,"endTime":1608.363,"body":"media pages. We've also included"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1605.323,"endTime":1608.363,"body":"the link to bat friendly tequila"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1608.41,"endTime":1611.263,"body":"brands. Join me next time when"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1608.41,"endTime":1611.263,"body":"I'll be in the East of England"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1611.309,"endTime":1614.162,"body":"learning how a controversial"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1611.309,"endTime":1614.162,"body":"road scheme could impact a super"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1614.209,"endTime":1615.8,"body":"colony of some of our rarest bats."}]}