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Jess,"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2082.33,"endTime":2087.1,"body":"who's our membership secretary,"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2082.33,"endTime":2087.1,"body":"she, she spotted it and she's"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2087.16,"endTime":2090.91,"body":"said 'Oh, that's a big bat!' It"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2087.16,"endTime":2090.91,"body":"certainly, is a big bat! Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2090.91,"endTime":2093.88,"body":"We were sort of looking at some"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2090.91,"endTime":2093.88,"body":"Daubenton's on the wall and she"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2093.88,"endTime":2097.18,"body":"just sort shined her torch up"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2093.88,"endTime":2097.18,"body":"and and as you say, that sort of"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2097.18,"endTime":2101.08,"body":"jaw dropping moment. Wow, that"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2097.18,"endTime":2101.08,"body":"is out there and then yeah, just"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2101.08,"endTime":2104.29,"body":"waiting to see that it wasn't"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2101.08,"endTime":2104.29,"body":"the usual one who had just, you"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2104.29,"endTime":2106.45,"body":"know, scraped off his ring or"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2104.29,"endTime":2106.45,"body":"something. So yeah, it's"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2106.45,"endTime":2109.78,"body":"definitely a second bat. So"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2106.45,"endTime":2109.78,"body":"yeah, very exciting. Very, very"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2109.78,"endTime":2110.35,"body":"exciting."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2110.62,"endTime":2113.08,"body":"That's brilliant, how"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2110.62,"endTime":2113.08,"body":"excited were the other team when"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2113.08,"endTime":2113.62,"body":"you told them?"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2114.43,"endTime":2116.59,"body":"Yes, all very"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2114.43,"endTime":2116.59,"body":"excited and all really keen to"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2116.59,"endTime":2119.14,"body":"tell Tony, that was what"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2116.59,"endTime":2119.14,"body":"everyone was saying can't wait"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2119.14,"endTime":2121.9,"body":"to ring Tony's so yeah, I think"},{"speaker":"Ryan Greaves","startTime":2119.14,"endTime":2121.9,"body":"he's excited too."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2122.35,"endTime":2122.98,"body":"Great stuff Ryan t"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2122.98,"endTime":2125.496,"body":"Thanks for that"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2122.98,"endTime":2125.496,"body":"update. To read more head to the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2125.548,"endTime":2128.851,"body":"shownotes, where you'll find a"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2125.548,"endTime":2128.851,"body":"link to our news article on this"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2128.904,"endTime":2132.154,"body":"exciting discovery. Now, just a"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2128.904,"endTime":2132.154,"body":"reminder, we want you to leave"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2132.207,"endTime":2135.405,"body":"the show a voicemail. 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