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And that kind"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1823.79,"endTime":1827.0,"body":"of was very naturally, very"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1827.0,"endTime":1831.29,"body":"naturally fit into the, into the"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1827.0,"endTime":1831.29,"body":"framework as well. So another"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1831.29,"endTime":1834.65,"body":"bonus about the typing is, it"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1831.29,"endTime":1834.65,"body":"looks a bit weird when you're"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1834.65,"endTime":1837.65,"body":"out at night, or in the evenings"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1834.65,"endTime":1837.65,"body":"with this kind of thing in your"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1837.65,"endTime":1841.28,"body":"hand, which most people think is"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1837.65,"endTime":1841.28,"body":"a phone initially. And then, you"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1841.28,"endTime":1844.07,"body":"know, people ask you questions"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1841.28,"endTime":1844.07,"body":"about it, and you get to talk to"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1844.07,"endTime":1847.88,"body":"them about, you know, how cool"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1844.07,"endTime":1847.88,"body":"bats are really. And so the"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1847.88,"endTime":1849.77,"body":"projects open up a lot of stuff"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1847.88,"endTime":1849.77,"body":"like that,"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1850.85,"endTime":1855.35,"body":"as well. Brilliant."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1850.85,"endTime":1855.35,"body":"And we've heard snippets as"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1855.35,"endTime":1857.36,"body":"you've been talking on the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1855.35,"endTime":1857.36,"body":"episodes, Mark, it sounds"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1857.36,"endTime":1860.6,"body":"absolutely fantastic. Finally,"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1857.36,"endTime":1860.6,"body":"where can people find it?"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1861.65,"endTime":1865.1,"body":"So it's going to"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1861.65,"endTime":1865.1,"body":"be on Bandcamp. If you just"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1865.1,"endTime":1868.85,"body":"Google walking with bots, and"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1865.1,"endTime":1868.85,"body":"Bandcamp, they'll probably throw"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1868.85,"endTime":1871.19,"body":"it back. If you can't get it"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1868.85,"endTime":1871.19,"body":"through Bandcamp. You can go"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1871.19,"endTime":1874.55,"body":"straight to my website, which is"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1871.19,"endTime":1874.55,"body":"Mark Ferguson audio, all one"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1874.55,"endTime":1877.88,"body":"word, Mark Ferguson, audio.com,"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1874.55,"endTime":1877.88,"body":"or just Google Mark Ferguson"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1877.91,"endTime":1882.71,"body":"audio, you've probably, you"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1877.91,"endTime":1882.71,"body":"know, it should hopefully be"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1882.71,"endTime":1885.86,"body":"available sort of be have been"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1882.71,"endTime":1885.86,"body":"promoted and kind of talked"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1885.86,"endTime":1888.38,"body":"about elsewhere. But those are"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1885.86,"endTime":1888.38,"body":"the two main channels. So"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1888.38,"endTime":1891.41,"body":"Bandcamp or you can go straight"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1888.38,"endTime":1891.41,"body":"to my website, Mark Ferguson"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1891.41,"endTime":1893.12,"body":"audio to get a hold of it."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1893.39,"endTime":1895.01,"body":"And we'll put a link"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1893.39,"endTime":1895.01,"body":"to both of those in the show"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1895.01,"endTime":1897.44,"body":"notes. Mark, it's been fantastic"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1895.01,"endTime":1897.44,"body":"talking to you. Thank you very"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1897.44,"endTime":1897.83,"body":"much."},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1898.16,"endTime":1899.6,"body":"Greatly"},{"speaker":"Mark Ferguson","startTime":1898.16,"endTime":1899.6,"body":"appreciate it. Steve, thank you."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1900.8,"endTime":1902.93,"body":"A huge thanks to Mark"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1900.8,"endTime":1902.93,"body":"for taking the time to do the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1902.93,"endTime":1905.63,"body":"interview you've just heard and"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1902.93,"endTime":1905.63,"body":"for allowing us to use his clips"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1905.63,"endTime":1909.05,"body":"from his new album walking with"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1905.63,"endTime":1909.05,"body":"that. You can find marks album"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1909.08,"endTime":1911.99,"body":"in the show notes along with"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1909.08,"endTime":1911.99,"body":"links to his website and a blog."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1911.99,"endTime":1915.74,"body":"He's recently written on the BCT"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1911.99,"endTime":1915.74,"body":"website. I hope you've enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1915.74,"endTime":1918.92,"body":"this instalment of series five"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1915.74,"endTime":1918.92,"body":"please tell the world about Bat"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1918.92,"endTime":1921.71,"body":"Chat on your social media"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1918.92,"endTime":1921.71,"body":"channels. And we'll be back in"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1921.71,"endTime":1923.27,"body":"two weeks time. See you then."}]}