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But I think just purely"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1794.99,"endTime":1798.56,"body":"from a point of view with"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1794.99,"endTime":1798.56,"body":"detectors and thermal cameras."},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1798.8,"endTime":1802.4,"body":"If get a decent night It's"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1798.8,"endTime":1802.4,"body":"around swapping time that the"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1802.4,"endTime":1806.12,"body":"wind conditions and the weather"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1802.4,"endTime":1806.12,"body":"and the rain are in our favour"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1806.15,"endTime":1808.73,"body":"would be something to do. But"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1806.15,"endTime":1808.73,"body":"those elements haven't all come"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1808.73,"endTime":1812.72,"body":"together for me in recent years,"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1808.73,"endTime":1812.72,"body":"unfortunately, but it is the one"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1812.72,"endTime":1817.43,"body":"on the radar but yeah, there's"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1812.72,"endTime":1817.43,"body":"there's occasional pips swarming"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1817.79,"endTime":1822.65,"body":"activity, one site where I've"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1817.79,"endTime":1822.65,"body":"been monitoring a natural roost"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1822.65,"endTime":1826.67,"body":"late in the season. But it's"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1822.65,"endTime":1826.67,"body":"only a couple of individuals, I"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1826.7,"endTime":1829.16,"body":"really don't know what goes on"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1826.7,"endTime":1829.16,"body":"with our pipistrelles in the"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1829.16,"endTime":1834.44,"body":"winter. The back group have got"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1829.16,"endTime":1834.44,"body":"some detectors out one in the"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1834.44,"endTime":1839.09,"body":"east and one on the west, which"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1834.44,"endTime":1839.09,"body":"are left out year round. And"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1839.09,"endTime":1843.35,"body":"obviously, the number of files"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1839.09,"endTime":1843.35,"body":"really dies down in the winter."},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1844.88,"endTime":1848.06,"body":"But particularly the one in the"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1844.88,"endTime":1848.06,"body":"West, which is in a lovely bit"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1848.06,"endTime":1852.89,"body":"of woodland, close to a couple"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1848.06,"endTime":1852.89,"body":"of German fortifications, you"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1852.89,"endTime":1857.39,"body":"get a reasonable amount of"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1852.89,"endTime":1857.39,"body":"Myotis activity. So you know,"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1857.39,"endTime":1859.34,"body":"it's quite exciting because"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1857.39,"endTime":1859.34,"body":"you're not having to plough"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1859.34,"endTime":1863.3,"body":"through tonnes and tonnes and"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1859.34,"endTime":1863.3,"body":"tonnes of common pipistrelle"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1863.3,"endTime":1867.92,"body":"files, to find the Myotis. A lot"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1863.3,"endTime":1867.92,"body":"of them are sort of hidden away"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1867.92,"endTime":1871.28,"body":"and noise files for the brain as"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1867.92,"endTime":1871.28,"body":"well. So they seem to be quite"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1871.28,"endTime":1875.63,"body":"hardy, and we'll be flying"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1871.28,"endTime":1875.63,"body":"around quite a lot during the"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1875.63,"endTime":1881.6,"body":"winter, but, you know, just"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1875.63,"endTime":1881.6,"body":"don't know enough about about"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1881.6,"endTime":1885.23,"body":"them. They just need loads more"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1881.6,"endTime":1885.23,"body":"research to do. So I think with"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1885.23,"endTime":1888.77,"body":"our passive acoustic monitoring"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1885.23,"endTime":1888.77,"body":"going forward, we really nice to"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1889.01,"endTime":1892.4,"body":"have an element that is also in"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1889.01,"endTime":1892.4,"body":"the winter, as well as during"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1892.4,"endTime":1895.34,"body":"the summer months just to see,"},{"speaker":"Liz Walsh","startTime":1892.4,"endTime":1895.34,"body":"see what's really going on."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1896.42,"endTime":1899.45,"body":"Great stuff. Dave,"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1896.42,"endTime":1899.45,"body":"Henry and Liz. Thanks very much."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1900.11,"endTime":1907.34,"body":"Thank you. Massive Thanks to"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1900.11,"endTime":1907.34,"body":"Dave to pink, Liz Walsh and"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1907.34,"endTime":1910.37,"body":"Henry Glenn for taking the time"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1907.34,"endTime":1910.37,"body":"to sit down and chat with me and"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1910.37,"endTime":1912.62,"body":"to the other Jersey back group"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1910.37,"endTime":1912.62,"body":"members. I had the pleasure of"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1912.62,"endTime":1915.29,"body":"spending time with that week."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1912.62,"endTime":1915.29,"body":"We've put a link in the show"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1915.29,"endTime":1917.69,"body":"notes to the Jersey bat group."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1915.29,"endTime":1917.69,"body":"And if you'd like to find out"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1917.69,"endTime":1920.45,"body":"more about your local bank"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1917.69,"endTime":1920.45,"body":"group, check out the link which"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1920.45,"endTime":1922.7,"body":"will put you in touch with the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1920.45,"endTime":1922.7,"body":"nearest group so that you can"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1922.7,"endTime":1926.27,"body":"get involved with things going"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1922.7,"endTime":1926.27,"body":"on near you. We'll be back in"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1926.27,"endTime":1928.88,"body":"two weeks time So until then,"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1926.27,"endTime":1928.88,"body":"I'll leave you with the sound of"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1928.88,"endTime":1931.52,"body":"an early summer's evening on the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1928.88,"endTime":1931.52,"body":"island of Jersey."}]}