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Thank you very"},{"speaker":"Debbie Saunders","startTime":1920.27,"endTime":1920.75,"body":"much."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1921.14,"endTime":1922.1,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Debbie Saunders","startTime":1923.48,"endTime":1925.13,"body":"Thank you to"},{"speaker":"Debbie Saunders","startTime":1923.48,"endTime":1925.13,"body":"Debbie. For that insight. We've"},{"speaker":"Debbie Saunders","startTime":1925.13,"endTime":1927.86,"body":"put a link in the show notes to"},{"speaker":"Debbie Saunders","startTime":1925.13,"endTime":1927.86,"body":"the wildlife drones website. So"},{"speaker":"Debbie Saunders","startTime":1927.86,"endTime":1930.77,"body":"if you'd like to find out more,"},{"speaker":"Debbie Saunders","startTime":1927.86,"endTime":1930.77,"body":"check out the link. 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