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Until"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1640.4,"endTime":1643.28,"body":"then, the Bat Conservation Trust"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1640.4,"endTime":1643.28,"body":"wishes you all a Merry Christmas"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1643.31,"endTime":1644.51,"body":"and a very happy new year."}]}