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Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2327.27,"endTime":2330.06,"body":"listening. We'd love it. If you"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2327.27,"endTime":2330.06,"body":"can share our podcasts with your"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2330.06,"endTime":2332.88,"body":"friends or on social media to"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2330.06,"endTime":2332.88,"body":"help other people find the show."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2333.27,"endTime":2336.33,"body":"We'll be back in two weeks time"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2333.27,"endTime":2336.33,"body":"with Sue swift author of the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2336.33,"endTime":2338.85,"body":"definitive work on longer bats."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":2336.33,"endTime":2338.85,"body":"So join us then."}]}