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Helen,"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3179.94,"endTime":3182.71,"body":"and thank you very much for your"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3182.763,"endTime":3183.03,"body":"time."},{"speaker":"Helen Bradshaw","startTime":3183.06,"endTime":3184.5,"body":"You're very"},{"speaker":"Helen Bradshaw","startTime":3183.06,"endTime":3184.5,"body":"welcome. Thanks for coming to"},{"speaker":"Helen Bradshaw","startTime":3184.5,"endTime":3185.01,"body":"see us."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3187.5,"endTime":3189.683,"body":"A huge thank you to"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3187.5,"endTime":3189.683,"body":"Dave, Claire and Helen for"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3189.731,"endTime":3192.531,"body":"taking the time to make those"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3189.731,"endTime":3192.531,"body":"recordings with me. If that's"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3192.579,"endTime":3195.522,"body":"inspired you to visit Chester,"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3192.579,"endTime":3195.522,"body":"you can book tickets in advance"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3195.569,"endTime":3197.943,"body":"of the zoo reopening this"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3195.569,"endTime":3197.943,"body":"spring, all of the links"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3197.99,"endTime":3201.028,"body":"mentioned in the show notes. We"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3197.99,"endTime":3201.028,"body":"hope you've enjoyed listening to"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3201.076,"endTime":3204.162,"body":"this episode of BatChat. Why not"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3201.076,"endTime":3204.162,"body":"tell us what you think on social"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3204.209,"endTime":3207.39,"body":"media. Our hashtag is BatChat,"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":3204.209,"endTime":3207.39,"body":"and we'll be back in two weeks time."}]}