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And of"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1496.22,"endTime":1500.9,"body":"course, We've built up all our"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1500.9,"endTime":1505.49,"body":"work, which we were very pleased"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1500.9,"endTime":1505.49,"body":"to be able to do and get it in"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1505.49,"endTime":1509.06,"body":"British Ireland Bats because it"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1505.49,"endTime":1509.06,"body":"pulled together everything from"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1509.51,"endTime":1516.95,"body":"2007 up to 2019. So maybe the"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1509.51,"endTime":1516.95,"body":"next 10 years will produce"},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1516.95,"endTime":1517.7,"body":"something more"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1517.91,"endTime":1520.1,"body":"Great stuff. Jane"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1517.91,"endTime":1520.1,"body":"Harris, thank you very much."},{"speaker":"Jane Harris","startTime":1520.28,"endTime":1520.67,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1522.2,"endTime":1525.05,"body":"And thank you to Jane"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1522.2,"endTime":1525.05,"body":"for meeting me on this fantastic"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1525.05,"endTime":1528.23,"body":"site whilst undertaking about"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1525.05,"endTime":1528.23,"body":"survey work that week over the"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1528.23,"endTime":1530.99,"body":"border in Suffolk. And thank you"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1528.23,"endTime":1530.99,"body":"to you for listening to this"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1530.99,"endTime":1533.75,"body":"episode. I hope you've enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Steve Roe","startTime":1530.99,"endTime":1533.75,"body":"it. 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