Episode 242: Topuria vs. Gaethje UFC Freedom 250 Recap • Poatan's Appeal & Legal Action • Josh Hokit Says "Michelle Obama is a Man" • Daniel Cormier-Eric Trump post • McGregor vs. Holloway Interview

On this episode of Slip The Jab, we recap UFC Freedom 250: Topuria vs. Gaethje and break down Justin Gaethje’s fourth-round victory over Ilia Topuria to become the new UFC champion. We discuss what may have been the single greatest walkout in UFC history, why Gaethje’s stock has never been higher, and why Lino thinks he should start shooting his shot with one of the Trump daughters.

In our Not So Rapid Recap, we cover Ciryl Gane stopping Alex Pereira and the controversy surrounding Poatan’s claims of illegal shots to the back of the head, his pursuit of legal action, and whether this is ultimately a bad look for him. We discuss Sean O’Malley’s walkout salute KO win over Zahabi, Josh Hokit’s upset over Derrick Lewis and the controversial post-fight speech that instantly made him a household name, Mauricio Ruffy destroying Michael Chandler and Chandler officially falling out of the rankings for the first time in his UFC career, Ref Herzog doing Bo Nickal a favor by standing the fight up against Kyle Daukaus, and Diego Lopes punishing Steve Garcia after Garcia made the mistake of standing and trading with him.

We also run through the massive bonus payouts handed out at UFC Freedom 250, debate whether the event was better than Noche at the Sphere, discuss Tyson Fury’s odd walkout, react to Daniel Cormier denying allegations that he posted an Eric Trump DM about rigged fights, discuss Conor McGregor’s interview with Max Holloway, and close the show with our Post-Fight “Songs” of the Week.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_09 0:53

Knock the dust off these mics. Literally, yesterday I came down here to set everything up. There was literal dust everywhere, which you can probably still see. There's dust on the mics, that's how long it's been. How you doing, my friend? It is good to see you. It is good to see you. It is good to see you. We came to be back in this particular seat. I know in this setting. I'm so jealous of your t-shirt.

SPEAKER_07 1:19

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:20

Man, I had nothing. I wanted to wear something like that, but I didn't have anything to rep Merica like that. That's nice. 1776. Merca 250. Oh, it even has the 250 on it. Where'd you get that? Did you get like new? Like you must have ordered it, right? It is new. Yeah, yeah, it has to be. That's fresh. That's super nice. That's super nice. Yeah, we're coming. We came back at the perfect time. Perfect car. Big deal. Oh man. We got a lot to talk about. Greatest UFC event of all time? Better than the sphere?

SPEAKER_07 1:55

Yeah. I think. Okay. Yeah. I remember the feeling that I I saw the card. We talked like the card. I thought this isn't the White House card. This is when we were talking about Yeah, when we were talking originally about like, hey, we're talking about trying to get all title fights, but realistically not, but we could still put the best card together ever. And I don't feel that this was the best card ever by far. But name-wise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And matchup-wise. But how it played out so delivered.

SPEAKER_09 2:36

It really, I could not ask for like better deliverance for an event this big that is going to be viewed by these many people for marketing purposes. You're talking about every fight had a finish, and almost every fight had to finish in the freaking first round, almost.

SPEAKER_07 2:53

Yeah, I really underestimated this fight once I knew the card. Once I learned what the card was, I thought, this is you know, I don't know that this is gonna be there. And then the production, the organization, every little detail that I thought, there's no way you could UFC does a good job. Their production's always great, right? And then it's a White House, so you know it's going to be big and massive.

SPEAKER_09 3:20

And not in a cheesy way, the way like the MVP events are, because they put on like sort of like they they do things, but it's more like sticky and stuff, you know, coming out and like whatever.

SPEAKER_07 3:32

I mean, they put watches on their belts, yeah, which is just weird. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, the fact that this was uh what do you think about the production? I I was that's awesome, dude. Anyone hating on this card build the production.

SPEAKER_09 3:46

I'm not happy with uh the current president right now, I must say. You know, I have my own little beef with him for the whole Iran thing and dragging us into fight Israel's battles. But that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna give him his props for getting with Dana and putting this event on. If you say that you didn't like this event, like everybody's saying it was a I heard people saying it's a circus for Hicks, like saying a bunch of that they that they brought shame upon the White House, dude. You watch that thing and all you feel is patriotic pride. Like I felt so patriotic watching that with all the military people and then the military band, how they had the lock band plan, and then don't get me started on the cover that that dude did for Gecy's walkout. Gachy's walkout, without question, is the greatest UFC walkout of all time. The only thing that comes in a in a second place, like a close second, is Connor's 189 walkout with Sineo Connor. Yeah, with the butt to the foggy do. Way up there, way, way up there. Way up and you know what you know what sucks about that that uh walkout? If you go back and you watch that, it sucks because she wasn't able to get off to a good start and give the best performance because her earpiece, if you go back and watch it, she starts fiddling with her earpiece, something was wrong, like she couldn't hear good. So that's why when she first started, she wasn't singing, like she wasn't on tone that good. And then, like a minute into it, she started getting her bearings, yeah, and then she really got going. Like once Connor came out of the tunnel, she started hitting those notes really well. But still, Connor's walkout gives you goosebumps. Gachy's walkout is even better, it's 10 times better. It it made me so emotional when he started walking out.

SPEAKER_07 5:45

First of all, I love office.

SPEAKER_09 5:47

We got the virtual tour, we got a tour when they all came out of different rooms and had the pre-presser in the green room, like and he's reading the declaration of independence on the wall, like not even paying attention as the music starts, and then he's coming out to Ain't No Grave by our boy Johnny Cash. That's the cover they did. But the dude who sang that, okay, who did that cover, that song needs to be made. They need to figure out how to isolate it, take John Anik, Rogan, the commentators out of it. And I just want that cover, I want that live cover because he did it way better than any version I've ever heard of Johnny Cash's song. Live outside. Live outside. And then when the the thing they you're talking about the production, the thing that they did so well is when Gecchi came out, when he started walking out, they shot him from a side view too. At first, it was the front view, which we always see, but then they switched angles and shot him from a side view going down that walkway. And I don't know if that was just me or if anybody else felt it, but when they went to that side view with that music, with the way Gaichey looked, and you could see like the emotion on him of like how big this moment was. I got like a little teary-eyed, and I got a little emotional, and I was like, damn, I was like, This is making me a little emotional. And Ashley looked over at me and she was like, Babe, she was like, Oh, I'm like, what I was and she was like, why? And I was like, I don't I don't know. I was like, this angle they're shooting him at, the mixed with this cover and the way he like he's holding the flag, and I was like, This is awesome, this is just awesome.

SPEAKER_07 7:35

Oh, it was awesome. So any my moment for me was when they time perfect just finishing up the the national anthem and the the jets the the flyover, oh right over the White House and over like perfect. I mean, that is that is so.

SPEAKER_09 7:54

How can you hate on that event? How can you hate? You you have to obviously you're hating on the event because of who the current president is. The only thing I didn't like you gotta put that aside. That has nothing to do with this. Are you American or you're not American?

SPEAKER_07 8:08

Say it loud, say it proud.

SPEAKER_09 8:10

I mean, let's let's let's let's be real here. Are you American? Are you with us or are you against us?

SPEAKER_07 8:14

The only thing I didn't like was that he he memorized originally supposed to be like right around 4th of July weekend, and then he put it up one to his birthday.

SPEAKER_09 8:25

100%, and we said that this wasn't supposed to be Trump's birthday party. It's a country. This was to celebrate America. It should have been the perfect day to put this event on should have been July 2nd. Let's see what July 2nd actually would have fallen on. Let's see if that would have fallen on a Saturday. Let's see. So we figured this out before July, July 2nd would have been the second. Okay, all right. So may so it would have been two days ahead of time. It would have had to be a Thursday. Yeah. But the reason it would have been dope on July 2nd is because, and I don't know if many people know this, you know, you gotta know your history, man. You know, gotta know your history. July 2nd is actually our real independence day. I have always hated that we celebrate 4th of July on the 4th. The 4th is not our independence day. We signed the Declaration of Independence, but Naya Dio on the 2nd of July. So why are we celebrating our independence on the 4th? We didn't sign the Declaration of Independence on the 4th. We signed it on the 2nd.

SPEAKER_07 9:27

Is that because somebody had to like wrap it up and put it on a sa in a uh satchel and put it on a horse and ride it to other people to know it took two days? I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 9:35

You know what's funny? You're like sword on. Well, the the on the fourth, the only difference is that's the day that they went around the town square and actually like read it out to people. Okay, but it wasn't the the minute the ink hit that paper, that's when we still delivered. Yeah, that's exactly put a stamp on it. We are independent now. So we should be celebrating on the 2nd. So they should have put the event on July 2nd.

SPEAKER_07 10:00

This is not Trump's birthday party, dude. A Thursday is no, in my opinion, no. They do football on the yeah, it's no better or worse than a Sunday if you're talking about the working class or whatnot. Like we they could have done it on that.

SPEAKER_09 10:12

It's it's yeah, it's not if they were gonna do that. It's not. I mean, you're not off that day, maybe a little tired, whatever, but hey, we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_07 10:20

Or even if you would have had it the Saturday before I could be okay. That's what it wasn't it supposed to be. Wasn't that in talks the preliminary? That's when we thought it was. That's when they talked about it.

SPEAKER_09 10:29

Yeah, originally it wasn't supposed to be on Trump's birthday. It was supposed to be close to the 4th of July. Yeah, that's for independence. This is not your birthday, bro. I said this the first time we got into this. So yeah, I'm with you that this is like, you know, it's a little monarchy. It's uh it's a little what we fought to get away from, you know.

SPEAKER_08 10:48

So aside from that, this is a little no kings protesting, but uh you know, but still, like, come on, man.

SPEAKER_09 10:55

That event was so gangster, dude. It was so good. And you see those people 80,000 strong in the pavilion or whatever that was across the street. It was sick, dude. They try to blow that. They they they try to they try to drop drones on that thing. You hear about that?

SPEAKER_07 11:09

Did you hear about the terrorist poppy? 23 more they're suspected of going after.

SPEAKER_09 11:15

Come on, dude.

SPEAKER_07 11:16

So yeah, there's a whole to to cause chaos, drive them into a central location with snipers set up.

SPEAKER_09 11:23

Yeah, that was the plan. The drones were just supposed to distract the the the FBI or whoever it was so they can get shots off or whatever. Dude, come on, man. You ain't got nothing better to do, like there's literally nothing better to do. Like, this is what you're you know how much time plotting something like that like takes up? And they said that it's way more than the five that they got. They said that there's like 20. It's so sad. I I I uh I'm so glad something didn't happen because the whole time I was watching it, I'm not gonna lie, it was going through my head. I was like, I really hope nobody tries anything. Because I was I will I was worried about like the fighters and the people in the audience, too. That all of our you know military members were there, and I would I was I was genuinely concerned the whole time. So I was really sad that we have to think that way now based on prior attempts and how dude, it's so bad now that like I would never go to a like I don't want to be around big crowds, it makes me nervous. I don't want to go anywhere where there's like 80,000 people. It sketches me out.

SPEAKER_07 12:30

And I don't blame you, and I'm just wondering, like, when Dana and Trump were doing the long walkie-walk, if Dana ever thought, like, man, we're almost shoulder to shoulder. I should give you a few more feet. Like, I'm not inherently the target here, but I don't know, ricochet, wind blowing. Like, I don't want to be in the I don't want to be a yes, a side casualty here. Yeah, yeah. We we boys, but we need space, yeah. Yeah, back back, give me 50 feet. Yeah, but um the one thing that impressed me is every camera view, moving them around, different things showing across the street, aerial views down low, coming out, out of the White House. Every single view was in perfect focus HD. Everything. I didn't see one thing that you had to like, oh, we gotta zoom in here, oh we got this, but we want to see this, this people in the crowd, Melania, whatever we got, everything was perfect. I I just was blown away. I'm thinking, how could you not turn a camera and have to adjust, or maybe the person shook a little bit, or we gotta zoom? Like, yeah, I just don't know how they got the whole thing right live the whole evening when you showed the band singing or playing or everything, or the back views of the uh the pyrotechnics on the top and the lights and a lot of planning.

SPEAKER_09 14:09

Oh my god, a lot of planning. I think I heard Gecy say that they even they even uh rather had uh like a dry run, like a rehearsal the night before that they had to go through certain things. And and Dana said it from the very beginning whenever he went to go pitch the idea to Trump, or not pitch the idea, but tell him sort of what the plan was gonna be. He said, I want you to just see the White House, like in the back. Like they had everything mapped out on how it was gonna be ahead of time, and they just executed it perfectly. It was executed perfectly. The weather ended up being perfect, yeah, even though they was supposed to storm, they said that any the the storm split like it was heading straight for them and then split into two and went around, like literally went around the White House.

SPEAKER_07 15:00

Any uh thoughts about the floating conspiracy of we change the weather? Genetically were able to somehow make the bugs go away, the humidity, and have the storm split his split knuckle.

SPEAKER_09 15:15

I don't know. We we do know this. It is possible to change the yeah, one it's 100% possible that you can change the weather. There's countries that do it. Yeah, yeah, you 100% can do it. Uh if they did do it, Dana's definitely not aware because he was saying thank God for uh the breeze because it kept the bugs away and he was super worried about the bugs. Fighters love the breeze. He said, How did you guys feel about it? They all said that it wasn't an issue. The weather must have been nice, and I'm glad for that because I was a little concerned. I wasn't as concerned as Rogan. Joe was making a way bigger deal out of it than it had to be. My man acting like there's never been a combat sports event outdoors before. I mean, Muhammad Ali fought outdoor. Bowdog used to do all this on the beach. There you go. Yeah, allers were on the beach. Gates, I think Gagey's first freaking fight was outside. Yeah. I mean, I think his f I literally think his first fight might have might have been outdoors. I've been to the first time.

SPEAKER_07 16:14

I've been to local MMA events in Pittsburgh where they were outside.

SPEAKER_09 16:18

Yeah. He's acting like it's never been done before. But do I agree with you that you gotta be a little concerned? What if it is super humid and what if it is super hot and affects their cardio?

SPEAKER_07 16:30

But they also excuse me, but they also work out in gyms with different heat and humidity.

SPEAKER_09 16:39

Like when I one of the things I get started to tell the story when you used to turn the heat up to 120 and Jackie's skip out of you because the gas bill would be like $10,000 at the end of the month.

SPEAKER_07 16:50

This is true. Like if I was bro, what the hell? If I was doing running MMA class and he he, as in the owner, wasn't really there. I mean, maybe I took a little liberty of to the pun intended in plus and whatnot. And in the summer we didn't have AC, so it was 90 plus. Dude, in Thailand at Tiger Muay Thai, they train outdoors all the time.

SPEAKER_09 17:15

Inside ain't in no air conditioning, and that's where all the beasts train. It's where you got Zhang Hue Li and Pieter Yan and all of them. They train at Tiger Muay Thai. Yeah, so these people like these fighters have been in hot conditions. I think Joe just didn't want to be outside.

SPEAKER_07 17:28

We'll keep it real. I honestly am starting to think that's what the real problem was. Yeah, because he couldn't wear a black shirt to hide sweat stain, so he's a little worried.

SPEAKER_09 17:36

He did. He j yeah, he put a different color on that night. He switched it up. Yeah, he switched it up a little bit. So all in all, all in all, it was it was awesome. A couple critiques I had was uh I did not like the belt.

SPEAKER_07 17:50

I didn't I did love the belt.

SPEAKER_09 17:52

He did, I mean, dude, compare it to the UFC Noche belt, the UFC Noche belt.

SPEAKER_07 17:58

I need a I need I forget. It's been so long, I don't remember. Dude, I mean, look at the UFC Noche belt. I forget what it looks like, but I like the belt and I like the BMF belt. The BMF belt is still pretty darn tough.

SPEAKER_08 18:10

Dude, look at that thing. Look at the UFC, look at the belt they made for the sphere.

SPEAKER_07 18:15

UFC Noche is so cool. I forgot about you know what? I forgot all about that belt. That is a really two things they did way better for UFC Noche. Bring the American They made a 250. Freedom! UFC I need a close-up of it. Freedom.

SPEAKER_10 18:36

Freedom.

SPEAKER_07 18:37

That Noche belt is awesome. I totally forgot how cool that thing is.

SPEAKER_09 18:41

Ashley blamed it on uh Mexicans just having cooler style than us. She was like, yeah, that's not fair. She was like, Mexicans have cooler style. And they like bright colors. And we got a point.

SPEAKER_07 18:53

They like bright colors. Are they really into bright mixed colors? No, that's not it.

SPEAKER_09 18:58

That's not it. That's some fakey fake thing that I bought. Remember Loma and your kids? Remember I bought them the championship belt? That's it right there.

SPEAKER_07 19:10

I like it. I do really like it. You do like it? I do.

SPEAKER_08 19:15

Alright, because I sort of feel like they took the UFC belt and just put like a flag in the middle.

SPEAKER_09 19:20

I mean, I'm not saying it's ugly. I'm just saying I'm not like crazy impressed like I was with the UFC Noche belt.

SPEAKER_07 19:27

Uh here's my thought. I sort of changed my thought a little bit after you show showed me the noche belt. Because now I'm thinking, I really like this belt. But after seeing the Noche belt, like we could have done like a red, white, and blue belt. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_08 19:44

Let's that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09 19:45

You look at the UFC Noche belt, they even changed like the leather on it.

SPEAKER_07 19:49

We could have changed up the leather and uh gone a little more Apollo Creed with the belt, so I could I see your point. Yeah, I see your point.

SPEAKER_09 19:58

Look at that side-by-side comparison of it. Look at look at that thing. Look at that freaking thing.

SPEAKER_07 20:03

USA is beautiful.

SPEAKER_09 20:05

Look at that freaking thing, dude.

SPEAKER_07 20:07

Yeah. And then the other thing. But their culture is louder. It is. And and the USA culture is not as loud. This is true. So if we were in Brazil or Mexico, whatnot, they do have a louder culture as far as vibrant colors and celebration. So I it's true. And if this was Ireland, it would be just like the flag. It'd be like green, white, orange, like, and that would be it. And that would be fit them. Because they're not extravagant in their ornateness of things.

SPEAKER_09 20:36

So I the other thing I think they dropped the ball on was uh the ring girl outfits. Some of them were they crushed it for UFC Noche, and there was only two that were decent for this that were nice. I'm gonna say nice, not even just decent, but they were woman-looking one. That was pretty neat. I let's see, let's pull the five.

SPEAKER_07 20:57

They had different ones for each fight, and they were I liked them, but again, it's all you know uh American flag based and whatnot. So but again, like you were just saying, the culture, the Mexican culture for that, that just lends itself. These two that that one's sick, all right. And that one's nice. Turn them out.

SPEAKER_09 21:18

The the these two on the left. For anybody out there, if you guys saw the original when they first unveiled it with the what do we got here? Seven girls, it's the first two outfits were dope. All the other ones out after that, they're too cost to me.

SPEAKER_07 21:33

It costs you're you're gonna confuse them. That's not the order they went. The ones on the left, that wasn't the first fight. They're not in order.

SPEAKER_09 21:41

No, no, no. I just mean for people who saw the photo when they first unveiled it. It's the same photo. And the other thing was the boots are all super similar. They should have made every boot or shoe different.

SPEAKER_07 21:55

You're not wrong. Some knee highs would have fit in with some of the outfits, like the shorts. Shorter mini skirts, the the the knee high. Look at me sounding like Versace. I don't know what I'm talking about. But I would do somebody shot me.

SPEAKER_09 22:10

I was just checking the mail. Oops. Checking the mail. Yeah, so uh that was the other thing. I I I thought they dropped the ball a little bit on the outfits, except for the first two. Those were sick. But other than that, man, I I don't have anything to complain about. Uncle Dana said he'll never do this again. He's he'll go broke if he does, which I'm not sure. I I believe that. I think he's making a way bigger deal. Dude, this is the best $60 million you ever spent in your entire frickin' life. And I'm telling you right now, you need to give Josh Hokett a frickin' bonus. Okay? Give that man a bonus because if anybody didn't know that that event was going on after he said Michelle Obama's a man, everybody was gonna watch that event afterwards or know about the UFC. As soon as that came out of Hokett's mouth, I said, that is the greatest thing he could have ever done for his career. That was the first thing I said.

SPEAKER_07 23:11

That's gonna be that brings if you didn't watch it that night, if you didn't watch it live, that brought a whole lot of secondary level watching.

SPEAKER_09 23:22

I said everybody's gonna know him tomorrow. He's gonna be everywhere. He's gonna be on Fox, he's gonna be on CNN, he's gonna be on news outlets that have nothing to do with Paul. He's just gonna be everywhere. Everybody's gonna be talking to each other. Hey, did you hear about the the cage fighter that said Michelle Obama's a man? I can't believe he said that. My in-laws called me asking about it. They were like, we heard there was one fighter who said Michelle Obama was a man.

SPEAKER_07 23:51

On the White House lawn. On the White House lawn. That crazy SOB said that. Yeah. That's like that's that's past stricklin level, would you say? It's it's either I'd say it's on par.

SPEAKER_09 24:07

It's on par. I'd say it's on par. I don't know if it's true or not. Supposedly, I think Obama's talking about dropping a little lawsuit on him. But I mean, come on, man. Come on, bro. We're in the day and age, like you everybody's cray, everybody's calling each other something or lying about something. We all gonna start suing each other for lying. Everybody's lying. Like every everybody's saying shit.

SPEAKER_07 24:30

I mean, what are you gonna get? What are you gonna get out of him?

SPEAKER_09 24:32

And that's the other, what are you gonna get out of him? Exactly. What are you gonna get out of Josh Hokett if he should be? I think he did say though that the lawsuit would include Paramount and Dana White and like the whole shebang. Well then that's smart. But can you really follow? I mean, what does Paramount have to do? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_07 24:51

Like, what's Paramount have to do with it? Being that you can't censor an individual, it wasn't scripted, they didn't know forehand that he was gonna make those comments. I mean, if if he said, hey, I'm gonna say this and you knew about it and you let it go, then it's sort of on, you know, it's on the station or on Dana. But I I'm guessing he just said that off the cuff or planned it himself and didn't share that with them. So, and they're they're independent contractors for the organization anyway, for UFC. Yeah. So I don't think you could really make that stretch to go past Hoket himself.

SPEAKER_09 25:28

I mean, was it low rent? It was. When it came out of his mouth, I said, Yeah, I laughed, but I said, I'm not gonna lie, I laughed. Uh I laugh on a lot of things he says, but at the same time.

SPEAKER_07 25:41

Like, you're saying this, you're talking about Paretah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, okay, and then bang. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's low rent.

SPEAKER_09 25:50

You're like, let's have a little bit of class. Like, we are at the White House. I didn't even like it when Geechee said the F word or Sean O'Malley. One of them swore, and I didn't like that, but then but then again, but you know what changed? You know, Trump, for God's sakes, uses the F word when he said they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Remember? And you and I got into the debate about that, and I was like, it's low class, like you're the president, dude. You shouldn't be talking like that. So if the president's acting like that, then what do we I don't know. And there's sort of a sort of part of me. I wouldn't act like that at the White House, I can tell you that.

SPEAKER_07 26:24

Oh, I yeah, that goes without saying. I think all our slipsers know that. Yeah. But there's a part of me that in the vein of what Dana always says and whatnot, like, these are fighters. Like, this is what they do. So it's like, what about Strickland showing up and causing a brawl? He's like, he's yeah, he does that stuff. And then not that he likes it. That's what he does. Yeah, and what about when the fighters say or even curse? I'm leaving Hoket out of this part, but when you s drop the F-bomb still after a fight, but it's you're in the moment. You just gotta f you just fought, you know, life and death. And I say life and death because when you're in there, the other person is trying to do anything possible to put you unconscious. So it is sort of life and death. Do we uh does death occur? No, but you prepare for that because that's real.

SPEAKER_09 27:20

Somebody's really you go in there knowing that that's a possibility.

SPEAKER_07 27:22

Yeah. So and you just got done with this uh heavy set emotions, whether you win or lose, and boom, you have the floodgates open. It's a little harder to be in that situation and and tailor yourself as far as like, ooh, I'm here, I'm that. Like when Gachy basically made the comment to Ilya when he pushed him in the in the you know the earlier days. When he pushed him at like the early pressers when they were face off.

SPEAKER_09 27:52

When Ilya pushed Gachy?

SPEAKER_07 27:54

Yeah, yeah, days before. Yeah, yeah. And Gachy made the comment like this is beautiful, and like, what are you doing? You're an animal. He called him an F an animal. Did he? Yeah. That's something I would say to somebody else. So But that's a good point. You're an F an animal. Yeah, like that's a good point. Like right then, you're not as emotionally charged because this is days before, and it's sort of like this is the TV promo of the fight. So yeah, you should maintain. But we're talking right after a fight. It's harder than it's harder to keep your cooth and all these things.

SPEAKER_09 28:26

Because I always say when it comes to the F-word, if you like let it slip when you're heated or hot, you know, it's hard to avoid sometimes. It cut it just comes out of you, and you got a point. You're like in that state.

SPEAKER_07 28:38

Yeah, you are just killer be killed. Like this is this is what a minute and a half after killer be killed, and you're supposed to reel it all in and package it. Some can do it, some cannot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 28:50

Here's uh here's the hook at speech for those who didn't hear it. You're just trying to play it. You're gonna reason.

SPEAKER_12 29:03

There's only one person. More incredible and incredible host, and that's the Lord's take on Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_09 29:12

Everybody's like that.

SPEAKER_13 29:35

The funniest part is how he chuckled before he said it, because he knew He knew he was stirring up some bees mess there.

SPEAKER_07 29:43

Yeah. People were upset. Now, listen, people were upset that Joe laughed at this and was wrong. But Joe was Joe was laughing at the whole shtick. Yeah. Like it was he is a shtick, and Joe was laughing at the end. Yeah, and Joe was laughing at the moment before he even said the comment. Joe was already like, oh my, here we go. Yeah. Like he does with Strickland and and the Black Beast and the crazy things they're gonna say. Exactly. It wasn't like, oh, that comment, I loved it, and that's a he was already laughing at what is going on. People are just come on.

SPEAKER_09 30:22

In this day and age, with all the shit that people say about each other. Come on, like, let's not make this a bigger deal than it is. I mean, people drop that conspiracy bullshit. I mean, it's like the craziest conspiracy ever, you know. But people like say it every it's a j he don't even believe he don't believe that shit. You think he really believes Michelle Obama's a man? He chuckled. That's why he laughed. That's why you hear him chuckle right before he says it. He's like he's trying to get a reaction. It's what he's pulling a Colby Coventon. Yeah, and he's a bit of a lowbrow guy to begin with.

SPEAKER_07 30:56

He's very lowbrow. He's super lowbrow. Yeah, but you so you can't, you know, I saw one I'll use the word journalist lightly, but said like basically tied this into like a bigger thing and racism and all this stuff for the country. Of course, of course. You're talking about always does. You're talking about one cat that went off script. Nobody knew he was gonna say this, but him and probably his best friend. Like, nobody knew this, and like one comment by uh a lowbrow individual that now this represents the whole event and the whole country and what that I mean. I don't I don't know that he that Hoket has that kind of power.

SPEAKER_09 31:41

Is Hoget black? Or not black? Is he mixed?

SPEAKER_07 31:46

I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 31:47

Every time I look at him, he looks like he's mixed with something, but I don't know what it what it is. You know, I don't know if he's mixed with black, or maybe he has like some sort of Middle Eastern in it. He looks like he has something else in him. I would agree with that. Yeah, yeah. He looks like he has something else in him, but um, yeah, I don't, I don't, you know, who has time for all that? And thank God, little by little, the fatigue has set in and people care a little less and less. People are still trying to. Do you ever see the meme of their like no racism, don't die? Oh, yeah, yeah. They're trying to keep it alive. Like, we need you, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 32:23

We need you, and that's sort of we need diversity in this country in some form or fashion. If racism dies, then we gotta move on to gender, we gotta move on to where you live, which political party you're in. We need we need this battle.

SPEAKER_09 32:37

All the great stuff that happened that night, right? All the great stuff, and then you're gonna cancel all of it out for like this one thing, this one stupid comment that Hoket made. On his own.

SPEAKER_07 32:49

On his own.

SPEAKER_09 32:50

Yeah, on his own. Exactly. We don't need civil unrest just because of Hoket. Right. Exactly. Since we're on that fight. What did you think about the fight? My boy the beast. He gassed.

SPEAKER_07 33:03

I I I was at the elements. I knew this was gonna be the outcome. I knew this was gonna go exactly how it did. That's why that's why I I remember we talked about it. I thought he's Black Beast Bobblehead. Oh, go get it. Go get it. Go get it. I thought he should have I thought he should have already retired a while ago. And it's my age.

SPEAKER_09 33:28

I'm the same age as him.

SPEAKER_07 33:29

I thought he should have retired a while ago. His last performance was mud as much as we like him. I but we talked about we talked about like him being on this card because Trump loves him, so good for him, and he should retire now. He should have retired before this, but it was a great opportunity for him to be at the White House and for Trump and have that. So great. It is time. Hey, you're older, you've been there, done that. Like you they got the most knockouts in UFC history. No shame in the game, man. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 34:04

I'm in my golden days, dog.

SPEAKER_09 34:06

I hear you, Beast. I'm in my golden days too. We're the same age, bro. Yeah, it's time, it's time. This actually would have been a I mean, I know nobody wants to go out on a loss, but this would have been kind of cool to do to retire on on this fight, but maybe we give him a send-off. It'd be nice to have a montage. That's why I'm really glad that Justin Gachy didn't uh retire that night. Yeah. Because Gecy's the type of dude we have to have like a week-long build-up how we had for Poirier.

SPEAKER_07 34:41

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 34:42

And it's gotta be all about Gecy, and we have to have a montage, and the fans gotta be there, and everything. That's how it's gotta go. So I'm glad he didn't, I'm glad he didn't retire uh that night. Um, the only thing I want to say, and the last thing on the Derek Lewis versus Hook It fight is that was the one song that night, the Beasts walkout song, that the band shouldn't have attempted. They needed to play that one through the speakers and in the real version. But they said that he liked it. I don't care what he liked, he doesn't know what's good for him then. That that song, there's there's a certain feel to it when it starts and how it hits, and and oh yeah, when he comes out to I remember when I when I was at the apex, when I saw him at the apex, and I mean, man, when that song hit and came on through the apex system, I felt it in my stomach and in my soul, and it hit so hard. They did not need to attempt that one with the band. There, a lot of the walkout songs that night worked with the band. Yeah, that song you killed it, you destroyed that song. Like you took everything out of it, all the heart and soul of that song. It doesn't dump. No, it it didn't dump. No, that song dumps, yeah. You gotta play it, you gotta play the actual thing.

SPEAKER_07 36:04

Who else did they play? They played NF. Um, is that uh that's about the only other how many?

SPEAKER_09 36:11

I think like parts of some songs too had certain things to them.

SPEAKER_07 36:15

Because I don't even remember who came out to NF, but I I thought, oh wait, this is not banned at all. They're playing the song. Right, but right.

SPEAKER_09 36:23

That's why I said that night, Malanova. Because Ashley was like, Well, they're using the band. I was like, Well, the some of the other songs weren't all the band, so this was the only one that definitely didn't need like Gage's song, great for the band. Yeah, awesome with the band. It worked, and they killed it with uh Diego Lopez Heck, yeah, with big freaking yeah, Ilya Taporia. Yeah, you come out to to the mariachi song made for the band. Yes, perfect, yep, yeah. So that was the only thing I wanted to say with that. Um, Ian, what do you say we do what we were supposed to do, the way we always start? Let's start with the main event of what happened. Yeah, the we went backwards this time, but let's uh let's give the people what they came for and let's start with the main event. UFC Freedom 250, uh Justin Gecchi defeated Ilya Topuria via fourth round TKO. Corner stoppage, Doctor Stoppage. Well, the doctor tried to stop it. Doctor tried a stoppage, doctor failed. I mean, listen, he wasn't coming back out anyway. If his corner didn't stop that, they weren't gonna let him come back out, anyways. So it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_07 37:35

It was interesting because the doctor's like, nope, stop it, nope. And then overruled him. Yeah, my God said, like, yeah, let him fight. Like, this is the White House, homie. Like, we we need to see finishes. Like, that was is is he allowed to do that? You're right, because I was thinking about that. I don't know. He like overruled the doctor. I don't know that we've ever seen that. Are you allowed to do this? I don't think I've ever seen that occur when the doctor says it. The way the ref starts waving.

SPEAKER_09 38:04

Because you can freaking kill a fighter. Like you, you know what I'm saying? Like, if the doctor says, like the doctor's supposed to know better than you. So who's the ref to say, no, I think I'm gonna let this go?

SPEAKER_07 38:14

Doctor said, suck it up, buttercup. This is the White House 250 freedom. I know. We want to squeeze this dry. We want a finish when action-packed fashion, not sitting on a stool fashion. And so I thought it was um funny. The doctor's sort of like, wait a minute. I thought, I thought I gave the Knicks, and you just just nope, move out of the way. You don't know what you're talking about. I know. That was that was crazy. And it was interesting. I have to watch it again. I'm gonna watch the floor. Yeah, give the people what they want, and I'm gonna watch the whole thing again. But what's the e-analysis? It was interesting because which corner person said no?

SPEAKER_09 38:49

Because his brother's like, no, we'll finish the I heard his brother say we're not stopping this fight. Yeah, we're gonna finish. We're gonna finish this. So who and from what I understand, take it with a grain of salt. I haven't confirmed it. I heard the story goes that Ilya said, I can't continue. And his brother said, No, we're not stopping this fight. And then that's what I thought somebody else in the corner, a third person, called it when they heard Ilya say, I can't continue. So Ilya's actually the one who said I I can't.

SPEAKER_07 39:22

And I mean, you could say what you want, like you quit, you're on a stool.

SPEAKER_09 39:26

He can't see you. He has dude, dude. His eyes are freaking closed.

SPEAKER_07 39:30

Yeah, I mean, I I I'm trying to think if I was in that situation, which you you can't really do. Like you can't play that game unless you truly had uh just to give everybody uh an update. He had two fractured orbitals. Really? And I think a broken nose.

SPEAKER_09 39:51

I thought it was just one.

SPEAKER_07 39:52

No, he had two non-displaced orbital fractures.

SPEAKER_09 39:56

No broken rib? I heard rumors of a broken rib. No broken rib, right? The report I read uh just said the two orbitals with the nose.

SPEAKER_07 40:06

Two orbitals, uh non-displaced fractures, so he doesn't need surgery, which is good. And then another one said his nose was also broken. So what that equates to, folks, is you can't like his eyes swelled up not even talking with the blood, too, but they just swelled up so much that you're literally blind. Yeah, you're blind, so you're blind. So as tough as you want to be in suck it up buttercup. And I'm all for that. I I love that. I love when I see that.

SPEAKER_09 40:37

Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_07 40:38

I love I love it. I love when you're just like heck with it.

SPEAKER_09 40:42

I remember when my arm went numb and I was like, maybe I should go when I had my cyst in my arm, and my arm finally went numb, and you were like, just I don't know, I just put something on it, like put some toothpaste on or something. I was like, and then I I legitimately like started feeling like a bitch. Like I remember when I was there actually getting the surgery, I was like, I shouldn't have done this. I probably could have sucked this up. Like Ian's getting so disappointed.

SPEAKER_07 41:05

No, you just he made a good decision. Okay, I remember being so worried that time that I was like not a man. I mean, just because I say these things or make poor decisions in my own life or say something doesn't mean they're correct. It was like just spray some Windex on it. Like you're fine, keep it moving, man. Keep moving. Yeah, I mean, I often make some poor choices. Uh so I love that. But at the same time, you have to at that moment think about you have kids, you have livelihood of this profession. You want to live to fight another day. So you going out there blind or as close to it as you can see, uh can be and see, against a monster like G, who is who hit you before when you could see, is going to definitely hit you again when you can't see. And the guy cracks so hard. I mean, so you know that this could get even worse, and you have the potential of losing eyesight permanently. Not like, hey, I want to be a tough fighter, but you gotta think like I could go blind if I take one more. That's that's that's a kicker punch. I could legit be forever blind. That's what happened to Bisming. So that's the part that if he did say it himself, good for you. Because now you could heal up, you could fight again, you could ask for a rematch, you could see your kids in a in like a week when your eyes do function. So yeah, I I appreciate toughness. I really, really do. But them not letting him go, smart him, if he didn't let himself go, that's still a great decision. Great, smart. Should have so and Goddard, I still appreciate that you overrode the doctor and like just get out there and fight. Sadly, I completely agree with you and I completely disagree with you. I don't know how that works when you could completely I 100% agree with you, 100% disagree with you. Medically, I a hundred percent disagree with you. Um, as far as America, I 100% agree with what this event is, what we call it, America. We're tough, let's keep it moving.

SPEAKER_09 43:20

I don't know. And he'll he'll come back stronger from this because the reason Ilya lost this fight, he made mistakes, it was his ego is that as well. But the other thing is the same with Patty, what happened with the Patty fight that I said when we recapped that fight. Gagey is used to being in hell, like he's used to the chaos, he thrives in chaos, he's been there before. And Ilya's not used to that. He wasn't used to the place that Gagey took him that night.

SPEAKER_07 43:55

That place they went, he's a highly talented guy that's never. Had that type of adversity. Yeah, he not that he hasn't trained that hard, not that he hasn't been he's been hit and stung, and we've seen him dropped before, but that's but that's one quick. Yeah, that's a flash knockout. That that's not even that bad. No, it's like it's not. Oh, what happened? Oh, I'm back. You don't even know that pain or anything till like later. But this was just got worse, more intense, more painful, less breathing, more blood, like he overwhelmingness. You haven't been in those waters.

SPEAKER_09 44:27

No, no, no, no comfort being in that chaos. It's like it's like, for instance, if something happens to you in life, okay, something bad happens to you. The first time it happens, you melt. You start making mistakes, you don't know what to do, you don't know how to handle this. But if something happens again later on in life, or if the same thing happens to you, you're now like a little more used to the chaos. Yeah. You know, you know how to navigate these waters a little bit more. You're not you don't panic as easily anymore.

SPEAKER_07 44:58

It's like being choked for the first time at the gym in a submission. You tap so instantaneously because you're like, I'm going to die. I'm drowning and I'm gonna die right now. How could this even be a thing? It's so bad. And then the more it happens, the more you could think through, the more you tough it out, more of this experience. Gachy's got it all in spades.

SPEAKER_09 45:20

And he's had in spades since his first fight. He's been in those waters, he's lived in that chaos since the very first fight. So now Ilya got a taste for that. So now when he comes back, if he's in those waters again, if he's in that environment again, he's gonna be a little bit more used to it. And who knows? Maybe Gagey gives him a rematch. It sounds like he doesn't want to, but who knows? Maybe it does happen, and I'm not gonna count Ilya out of that rematch because he's gonna be a little bit more used to it and know what he's going into this week. He almost took him out really hurt already.

SPEAKER_07 45:56

Yes, he did. He was yes, he did. He was already hurt, exhausted, beat up, and he still was always dangerous. Like Gaichey said, like he's always dangerous. I couldn't count him out.

SPEAKER_09 46:08

He hit so hard, and and I was really worried for Gecy there for a second because I was happy that he didn't have the same game plan as he had when he fought Patty. And I'm like, this is good. You're fighting smart, you're fighting how you did against Tony. More technical jab out there. But for a second there, the Arturo Gotti came out and came out in him, and he's he starts trading with Ilya, and I'm like, Oh, here we go. Like, this is it. This is gonna be Ilya versus olives all over again. Because if olives would if if olives wouldn't have fought Ilya like that, I don't think that fight would have gone that way. I'm gonna tell you that right now. I don't think it would have gone that way, but Ilya was st or olives rather excuse me, was stupid to stand there and trade with him. And when Gaichey did that, I said, Oh no, this this is gonna end horribly now. I mean because you're about you're about to get knocked out if you do this. Don't fight like this.

SPEAKER_07 47:00

The other thing Gagey, and this is um this is a a knock against him as far as skill. Um, whenever he does play Rock'em Sok'em Robots, which he did for that brief period against the fence. Like when before that he was following a game plan, smart, smart. But whenever Gagey does play the Rock'em Sock Em Robots, he completely puts his head down and starts swinging like amateur day one. Like I'm swinging as hard as I can. Like he's not looking at his opponent, his head, he's looking straight at the ground, right? Just swinging like a very amateur person, just in those brief moments.

SPEAKER_09 47:42

So big overhand, right? That comes at this angle looking head.

SPEAKER_07 47:46

Just swinging, like I assume I still know where his head is, and I'll find it, which he has done. But like going into a car crash. It's like he's going into a car crash. He looks away. And even when Ilya was trading back with him, Ilya still was directly looking and trying to hit the mark, even though he was getting hit, like his punches, I know where they're gonna land. Gay had no idea. He was going with the assumption that we're trading, that your you know, approximation of your head's right about here, and I I'll I'll find it like one out of three shots. Um, but that's what he did. Like that was so if you had to talk about two mistakes that they've each made, that was his in that fight. Like when he put his head down and just started swinging, that was a huge gagey mistake that could have cost him. Uh because you left a bigger window of opportunity to lose. And then Ilya.

SPEAKER_09 48:38

Yeah, what was the Ilya mistake that you were expecting?

SPEAKER_07 48:40

Ilya was so hell-bent on making his prediction happen and taking him out right away that he rushed in, which I mean, well, what have we seen in Ilya's fights? He hunts you down, but he doesn't hunt you down and just start swinging right away. He he throws very little at you to begin with. He downloads you and what you do, and he has the high guard, and he tries to avoid any real damage, and he chases you down.

SPEAKER_09 49:11

Like the Max fight. It took three or four rounds for him to finally find his because he was waiting, because he was playing.

SPEAKER_07 49:17

He was playing the odds of I download, I keep safe, and I see what you're doing, figure your pattern, your movement, and then I start landing, and then that's when I know what's going to be open. He was so stuck on I told everybody I'm gonna finish him this quick, and that's what I'm gonna do because I hit hard and I can, which is all true. But he went to hunt him down, but he started attacking him right away. Um, which is why he got hit like at the very beginning. He got hit uh at the very beginning because he was more focused on making his prediction go true than I'll I'm gonna go attack mode and feet and pressure, but I'm just here to dodge and block. I'm not here to do this till I know exactly what I'm up against. He didn't follow his own strategy, and then he started getting hit. And then, you know, kudos to Gecy. This was the this was the brilliant part of Gagey when he would go down for the knee tap takedown and come up with the uppercut on the side. That move was brilliant because he did that right from the beginning. He did a couple times, and he caught him with the uppercut and cut his eye instantly. I gotta give you your flowers.

SPEAKER_09 50:25

So I'm gonna wait and see if you you say it first though. Go ahead and finish your thought because I gotta give you a big ass bouquet.

SPEAKER_07 50:31

So that was smart. He did that to let you know from the beginning that I'm coming at you from all angles. And then he Gagey would lean in. He kept his distance, he would throw the jab, but kept himself, his body, very far away. So I I don't play that phone booth game with you because you're far better at it. You're great at the phone booth fighting. So he made sure he kept the feelers out to keep his defensive reign. That's a Gagey I'm speaking in. Um so Ilya made those mistakes. The other thing that Ilya did a little bit later, which worked, but he should have done it from the beginning, and his corner should have shouted, Alright, he's got his range is long and he's hitting you, and he's fighting. Gagey's fighting long, which he should. Why didn't Ily do a couple feints? He should have done that from the beginning if you're gonna play that pressure mode and throw strikes, strike, faint, come in, because then you draw the mistake out of Gagey. You draw a defensive play out of him, and then you capitalize because you're a good counter-striker. You went in with a poor game plan, and it cost you because you got damaged early, and that damage kept on going, and it was the beginning of the end. So that's a mistake. Ilya.

SPEAKER_09 51:44

And he started the gas on top of it. Yeah, started the gas on top of it.

SPEAKER_07 51:48

And the other piece, I mean, he got him down with the liver drop, which was great, but you went down and you tried a mounted triangle, and then you were he looked a little gassed then, so you couldn't quite get your shorter legs to connect. Then you were gonna go for the arm bar, whatnot. Um, can you finish people because you're great on the ground? A lot of people said that's a big mistake. You should have let him up and just hit him with one more body shot. Yeah, who said that? DC, I think, right? Which I mean, it's hard to say. Like, if you would have let him and did that, would you have won? There's a very high likelihood you would have, yes. But your ground games at such an expert level that trying to m do the triangle or the arm bar was equally smart because you could have just finished it right there with no, because it's not like you're not good on the ground, yeah. You're fantastic on the ground, you're at the highest level on the ground, so yes, uh, you just sort of gassed out while you were there. You ready for your bouquet? What's that?

SPEAKER_09 52:49

Your big ass bouquet?

SPEAKER_07 52:51

What what'd I do?

SPEAKER_09 52:52

Ian Ebbett, since 2019, every time we preview a Justin Gacy fight when he gives his e-analysis, he gives the blueprint on how to beat Justin Gacy. He has said this every time. You can go back and check the body first and check the tape. Ian has said, body first, go to the body. You have to go to the body. And Manaya, if not this time, Ilya starts going to the body and I scream at the TV. Ian always said that. Somebody finally did it. Ian's been saying this since day one. That is that's his kryptonite. That's that's Gachy's kryptonite.

SPEAKER_07 53:31

Cowboy, Cerone, and and Justin Gachy, you go to the liver. You go to the liver first, and that you will find a victory. And if you don't, that you're not cracking that steel melon.

SPEAKER_10 53:46

So happy Valentine's. My friend, happy Valentine's. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_07 53:51

Thank you. And that's for anybody that wants to fight him again, but please retire. Gagey. Please retire. What do you want to do? You've been there, you've done it, you have the most fight bonuses. You like fight of the night bonuses. Is it finished bonuses?

SPEAKER_09 54:09

Bonuses in general. He has the most bonuses in in history. Like, and actually, he doesn't like it when people bring up the stat because there's like people will say, You have 11. And he'll go, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I have 13, and they just didn't count the other two because of something. I forgot he said it one time. He was like, No, I have more than that. But he's made more in bonuses than he made eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Or 25,000. I thought it was 850, I heard. But I could be, I could be. Oh, you mean 825. Okay, yeah, you're probably right. 825,000 in bonuses just from this fight alone. He's made more in bonuses than most fighters had made in their career in the regular purse. It's regular purse, rather. So yeah, it's time. It's just uh, you know, I'd I'd like to see him. I would like to see him uh have like a nice send-off, but if he retires, of course I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_07 55:10

Yeah, I mean would I love, love, love to see him and Ilya run it back in March. I would love it. I would love it because there's it's it's just a a golden opportunity for fans, fighters, each other. But at the same time, Ilya wants the rematch and stated this, but Gaychey, like Ilya fought once at 155, and he won the belt, but no title defenses though. Yeah, like you don't deserve a rematch. And and again, you you got you got bloodied, battered, broken bones, and finished. So did you have moments where you almost finished him? Absolutely. Was it a great fight? Absolutely, but make no mistake, you haven't held the 155 belt for all this time, and you deserve sort of uh an immediate uh title fight again. No. Uh I I I know you could say the records, well, one loss, that was his first loss, and what is he, 17-1? But Armin.

SPEAKER_09 56:20

But again, Armin's Armin deserves the next title shot. If Gagey's gonna stick around, it should be Armin versus Gagey.

SPEAKER_07 56:28

Yeah, it should be. Ilya doesn't deserve it, cuz like Gagey said, I I beat you. Like I finished you. Like it didn't go the whole distance. Like you you were finished.

SPEAKER_09 56:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 56:40

Not only were you finished, you you know, but look at what I did to you. You know what would be a fun fight. You want to know what'll be a fun fight? I really beat the shit out of you. I like I literally when you talk about breaking somebody's face, I literally broke your face multiple times.

SPEAKER_09 57:00

It was so funny. At the post fight presser, Dana said, we immediately they said, Where is Ilya now? And Ilya and Dana said, uh, we immediately, as soon as he left the the octagon, we rushed him to the hospital. And Gaichey's face, like you had to, he was so proud. Like you had to see the smirk on his face. He's like, Yeah, I did that. I did that. Ilya talked a lot of stuff. Yes, he did. He listen, when you go and you have a victory party the night before the fight, and say we've already, you know, uh secured our victory. This you know what I mean? And then you can't a whole lot of humble pie.

SPEAKER_07 57:40

That's two, two, two helpings.

SPEAKER_09 57:42

Yes, it is, yes, it is. Yes, it is. So, what they should do now, if Gachy sticks around, you make Armin versus Gagey, and then for Ilya, you know what could be fun? Make my boy Hoofy versus Ilya.

SPEAKER_07 57:57

That would be nice. Wouldn't that be nice? You know what else would be nice? What? Patty versus Ilya. A backstory? You both lost to the same guy, so you could take this argument game of we're pretty neck and neck, settle the score. I mean, I want to see that story, this, that, but that makes more sense because Hoofy's not gonna, he's not as far up in the rankings as Patty.

SPEAKER_09 58:26

Patty's sitting at number six, I think. Hoofy's still probably, I think he's probably nine or ten or something like that. Who is he, Hoofy? I don't know. Somebody in the top five. You gotta give him someone who's Charlie Olives. Damn, dude. I don't want that. See, man, I don't want that fight for Hoofy because freaking the fake ass BMF Charlie Olives is gonna try doing the same shit he did to Max Holloway. Yeah. And Hoofy's ground game ain't that good, and we're probably not gonna get a really fun fight out of it. Ooh, what about Hoofy Patty if they don't make Ilya Patty?

SPEAKER_07 59:06

Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_09 59:08

Or we could see how we could see how freaking Connor shakes out. And what if Connor beats Max? We can make Connor Hoofy. New Connor versus the old Connor. Is Connor gonna come down here? Connor 1.0 versus Connor 2. No, but Hoofy's so big, he can fight at 170. Hoofy's huge. He is.

SPEAKER_07 59:26

He's so freaking big. Now we still gotta figure out or Max loses or Benoit Saint-Denis. We can't forget about him. Oh my night. Because to be honest, right now, if I have to wait, he's fighting on the corner card, right? He's fighting Patty, and I honestly am probably gonna pick him over Patty. I'm gonna pick him over Patty.

SPEAKER_09 59:47

It's not a bad pick. It's not a pick.

SPEAKER_07 59:49

I think it's an awesome fight.

SPEAKER_09 59:50

It's gonna be fun, but my boy Patty can take a lot of abuse, but it's not a bad pick.

SPEAKER_07 59:58

I think I'm gonna pick Saint-Denis for this one.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:01

Why don't we do loser of that fight fights Hoofy? I like it. Right? I like it. And Chandler, what are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:09

I saw a thing where he was removed. I don't necessarily think about it.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:12

He wasn't. He was just removed from the rankings. He was removed from the rankings finally. I mean, he should have been removed from the rankings a long time ago, but it's time for him to call it a day. Yeah, for the first time in his UFC career, he's no longer a ranked fighter. He was ranked since two uh 2021. It's time to go. What are we gonna what are we doing here, man? It's time to go. I mean, you want like one more against someone. This fight should have never been when this fight got made. I said, this is a bad idea. Like, this is such a bad idea. Well, that's another one that Why are we making this? Yeah, but Chandler deserves to be at the White House.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:46

Yes, he's an all-American kind of guy.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:48

You want to make up for the Connor debacle a little bit?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:51

So I like that, but I didn't like the matchup. I like him at the White House. I didn't like this matchup because I knew it would go the way it did. So I thought you'd give him somebody that's I like so again, the matchup, not a good one, dude.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:07

Let's make the fight that I always wanted to make, which is Chandler versus Drew Dober. Yes, that's his final one and retire. That'll be fun. That will be fun. Doesn't Drew Dober have the the most knockouts at lightweight, too? I think he holds the record for most knockouts at lightweight, dude. It's gonna be a banger. That fight will be a banger. Make that fight.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:28

It will, and I'm picking Dober. I still think. I'm sorry. That's okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:32

I still think I feel bad for Chandler, dude. Volk people love Chandler some. Well, I shouldn't say people because the fans always shit on Chandler, but Volk actually, and he like Hoofy is part of Volk's camp. Yeah, and even Volk felt bad for Chandler. He was like, Man, of course I was happy Hoofy won. He was like, but I felt so bad seeing Chandler get beat. He got beat up. I mean, he got beat up like bad. Like it was so one-sided. Yeah, it was so bad.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:00

He should retire. He needs to retire. He really should not have another fight.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:04

Isn't he four? He's 40, 41. I mean, he's up there, right? He's in his 40s. I know that's check that out.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:10

Okay, let's see. He should he should retire. At this point, he's now risking uh long-term brain injury. He's he's now in the uh flirting. He's flirting, he's pushing the CTE camp. He's pushing the CTE camp. He really, his family, his wife needs to say, hey, here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna go do raph. That's that's what you're doing. Yeah, go do raft. Go do raph all you want. You'll make big money, they're making decent money. You do your original sport, your favorite there. Take the Colby Covington route. He's like, I'm going to do raph. Go wrap it up. Raph it up. Raph it up. That's what he should retire now. Don't take one more punch. You've just think in this last what three fights? How much damage he's taken in comparison to all the years prior.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:13

Yeah. I I I I don't want to hear people talk shit on Chandler. Chandler, we had so many good times with Chandler from the moment he came over from Bellator. We had fun with Chandler before he came to the UFC. He's fought the who's who.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:29

Him and Eddie Alvarez's first fight is still up there as probably one of my favorite all-time fights.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:37

Chandler's a beast. He's just I hate to use the word. He's washed now, you know? That's all.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:44

It's just 40 and he's been there done that. He had a long, fantastic career. Yes, yes, he did. And he still comes out looking like a chiseled superhero. Dude, that's dude.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:54

The way he looks his physique, his training is so crazy that he looks like that at 40 years old. Yeah. He's so ripped. He's so chisel. I don't know what that dude's doing, man, to look like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:06

I gotta get some friggin' advice. He's a working machine. He's always on that bike, that stationary bike. Like he puts the work in. Go do raft, buddy. Retire now. Not one more fight. You don't need one more punch. Yeah. You really don't need one more punch or kick, honestly.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:24

Which is another reason that Gagey needs to retire. 100%. He's him, Max Holloway. Yes. It's just a given. That Gagey. When he taught, I can see it even when he talks now. Like I can see it that he's even a little bit, you know, it's a little bit there.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:40

Yeah, it worries me for having him have a conversation in 14 years from now.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:46

Gachy, retire and then give with one of get with one of the Trump chickies. I saw them eyeing you up moment. They're all enamored with him. I know. They were so enamored. Like, hi. Yeah. Yeah, dude. He's single. He hasn't had a girlfriend because he said, you know, he hasn't had time. He's dedicated to the sport. Now you can retire and get with one of the Trump chicks. There you go. Find one of the Trump chickies.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:08

Boom.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:08

You'd be super pay. You'd make more money than you ever made in your life. And your mom would be so happy. Oh, yeah. She loves Melania. She said it was her dream to meet Melania, and he made her made her dream. Yeah, and he's all married. He fits in perfectly with that family.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:23

Boom.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:23

There you go. All right. Bathroom break real quick. We'll come back. And we're back. Okay, let's see where we left. Oh, because we've been very off uh script today. We haven't really been following the notes. Uh next up, we have the not so rapid recap. We got the co-main event. My boy Cyril all gone, defeating Alex Paeta via second round TKO punches. Alex Pejeta is appealing the result of the Super Gone fight in pursuing legal action. He said it became a life threatening situation. We don't know how it's going to affect me long term. We're going to talk to our lawyers and the bill. is gonna cal for some people.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:02

It's it's not gonna go his way. Because look, Zero Gone got him down and then landed um eleven eleven strike. You could argue one sort of barely grazed him. But eleven strikes when he was down. And people are talking about well you elbowed the back of the head, did that, and then a couple hammer fists. Uh out of all eleven the very last one when he was standing back up again he threw a hammer fist that was the only one that was illegal. That was the only one out of eleven. And here's here's the rule, the protocol, the benchmark if you will go look up uh Herb Dean.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:53

It was such a good explanation Herb Dean I'm so glad you brought you brought this up.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:56

He he showed exactly what the area is that is illegal and people think the back of the head it's just illegal. No three-dimensionally you can hit the back of the head you just can't hit below the ears kind of where it develops into the neck area.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:15

Yeah it's more they're more concerned with the lower part actually.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:19

I mean you you can't do that because you cause and then uh I'll explain the video Herb Dean basically put his full hand fingers and thumb together um and covered a person's neck from the ears down and then he put a secondary hand on top of that or under it but and he put uh fingers and thumb together and he kept his hand vertically and how good you are with your descriptions I'm trying if you don't watch your video yeah you're so good with your descriptions so basically he made thanks thanks black peace thanks double be uh so he basically made sort of a cross motion if you will with his hands and that is the illegal area because of significant damage to cerebral cortex spine all those things it should be but there's part of the back of the head that you can hit and not risk damage and it is legal and watch the they have a nice close up view of every single strike like I said there was 11 that gone through one sort of missed. There's a different angle Ian saying yeah there's a perfect view to see exactly where they're hitting and you can see where Pareto took the photos and said his head swollen it's swollen in the legal areas.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:41

So that's another argue it's like that's where you're allowed to hit such a bad look he made himself he it's just worse it's almost like an aspinal situation like bro let it let it go.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:52

Yeah and now that hopefully he knows the understanding of this role he doesn't care he he he saw the Herb Dean thing and he set you and he he's and the very last punch that Gone threw as he was getting up he did throw a hammer fist ish punch and he did hit him in the base of the skull in an illegal spot but again in Gon's defense Pareta was moving up quickly so he threw it and he moved so it's sort of you moved into each other. So you could argue it was a moving target and you moved up as he threw down and you could say like I was going for the top of the head or the legal spot and you moved in. So it's an appeal or whatever you're gonna do it's gonna go nowhere. You can't sue him it's not gonna work he threw 10 out of 11 legally in the one you moved up into so that was sort of how it like it goes.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:51

It's not that he was not in control of his weapons he very much was not to mention fights that actually have a leg to stand on as far as getting overturned never get overturned. We went over the stats once and it's like one percent of any appeal ever gets overturned. And we've seen legit hitting the base of the skull on your spine that didn't get overturned we've seen bad Paul's uh Q-Laba being one of them when he when he faked that he was hurt uh yeah we've seen and they tried to pre and he tried to get an appeal he tried to get overturned they said no yeah and and the rough part is the rule is outlined very specifically and the view of what occurred is on camera perfectly visible.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:41

It's not like it was behind near the fence or we don't have the best view.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:45

Yeah no it was it's all captivated very easily to distinguish and bro I mean listen I mean even if he hits you dude he was tearing you up I mean it was so bad he beat him up so bad. Yeah talking about we were talking about the one sided ass whooping that Hoofy gave our boy Chandler dude this was bad I mean he beat Paeta up bad we've never seen Paeta get beat up like that and I don't know why anybody's surprised and we haven't podcast in a long time the only fight I predicted wrong on this card was the main event.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:20

I I did pick Ilya yeah that's the and then I was I said on whatever social media I put like the betting odds against Gecy are crazy because like I bet Gecy.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:31

Yeah I was like but but I thought Ilya was gonna beat him but I bet Gecy because the odds were so I got plus 385 odds.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:38

Those odds I thought were bizarre I'm like Gachy could easily win this I mean we saw him against Patty and how this could play out similar so I thought the odds were crazy and Gecy had a good chance which better than good because he did win but that's the only one I got wrong. Like this one I mean the power does does you know does uh Pareta have the power yes but his style of fighting he's not Pareta cannot beat John Jones uh Aspinall or Cyril Gone at heavyweight no if they fought 10 times he's losing 10 by all three of them yes he's definitely what's crazy is his best chance of beating a heavyweight was probably Cyril Gone out of the three of them because Cyril's ground game isn't as good as Aspinall or John Jones.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:33

You don't have to you can take that off your worry list. Exactly exactly but I have you know Cyril he's never gotten the respect he deserves I've been saying that since he lost to Francis. I mean you're you're talking about a guy who turned into a wrestler okay I don't want to hear yeah but Francis's knee Francis's knee this and Francis's knee dude he turned francis into a wrestler john jones I'll say it until my last dying breath I think if I think if John would have fought Cyril today because it's obvious that Cyril got a little more serious with his takedown defense and his ground game I do not think that John beats Cyril if John can't get him down.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:19

If John can't take him down can't beat Cyril Gone nobody's beaten Cyril Gone on the feet in the heavyweight division not even Tom Aspinall it's we saw Tom getting tuned up the way he was I picked Tom in their first fight if they do do the dance in September in Paris I'm picking Gone why is that uh is it because Cyril's worked on his takedown defense in his ground game and I his I mean he has a formula to win and he's he's intelligent very intelligent high fight IQ and he's high fight IQ he sticks to it. Like I dance around the outside perimeter and take safe calculated shots. I I I'm defensively responsible and I land little ones only what I can get away with with such a uh high risk reward and I just do that until I start to see that they're landing and what's working and what combination in your movement and then I just start to bump up the intensity a little more and then I stay in the pocket and add a few more to my combination. Start out with just a leg kick and a jab or a jab and a leg kick and then if I see the success rate going I just slowly build upon that in my combinations and my time staying in the pocket because I already tested the waters and saw that you're diminishing or I'm safe or I'm fast enough to move or get out without taking damage. And then it just it it's just like I just keep feeding on you. It's like the piranhas and now it's like oh I see the bites taken out I take more bites I come back faster faster then I go in there and then I throw more combos and now your days and now I start sitting on my strikes my punches my kicks and then they get harder and then they get harder and now I could stay there until you're finished it's just and every fight is the same.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:17

It's brilliant the people the fans saying that Cyril Gone isn't a natural finisher do not know what they're talking about. The way he does it is just different than your average fighter because it's like he's chopping down a tree starts really slow a little chop here a little chop there a little front kick to the knee get out move around but like you said he starts turning up and when he sees that the tree is starting to fall down he does turn it up he is a finisher he's a finisher he's shown it numerous times that he's a finisher yeah definitely so yeah he's so smart he never gets outside of his game plan or skill level my favorite heavyweight I've said it yeah I said it since he came into the UFC I I've always talked up Cereb yeah you do always I said that I've never seen a heavyweight like him you love your cereal I do love my cereal I do and I love him I Bongame he's such a great guy I don't know why people dislike that dude so he's such a good dude too he's got a lot of class he's and it's no surprise that GSP is in his corner because GSP was the same way like I fight smart I I do I do the risk reward piece of veer from the game plan.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:35

This is my game plan and I'm sticking to it no matter what yeah I I I ramp it up when I see the openings or things are working I mix it like Ian every where we at with Tom Aspinal how you feeling about my man Tom these days I mean did you see where he said has anything changed did you see where he said I'm in first September in Paris?

SPEAKER_09 1:16:55

Okay that's good at least finally so I'm I'm hoping he said like yes to both those things okay on camera so let's be about it as well talk about it let's be yeah let's be because I didn't know where things were headed there for a second because he signed with uh Eddie Hearn and uh it started to look go to box for for a second it it's I started to get the vibe that it's like oh he wants out of his contract like he's holding things up that's what it looked and he's trying to bait the UFC into releasing him and doing like a cyborg where it's like we don't want this headache we just don't even want to deal with you go ahead we're gonna release you uh which I knew was just not gonna happen particularly just out of spite Dana wouldn't do that for Eddie Hearn.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:46

You know what I mean he's not gonna let Tom out of his contract you're gonna have to fight out of your contract yeah you're gonna have to fight your contract you're gonna have to fight out of your contract dude yeah John Jones wouldn't play his game and do the hand and be on the 250 card and thought he could do this and pick this and do that and then he said no and then he wanted to go elsewhere and he's like no yeah like you you played the game you lost do you feel any different about Tom now with the whole I thing from the first time how you felt about it? I mean I I do I I do think there was more milking of it. Yeah I'm not saying it wasn't a real injury I'm not saying that either I'm just saying I'm not saying that either what like I'm just saying did it did he make it there's is he making it worse than it is is like what it comes down to. Is he making it out to be could he have come back sooner than than this I guess is what it comes down to that that's a a a piece of it the other piece is I I didn't mind when it first happened I agree I agreed with him like we don't know how bad an eye injury is because it's not our eye eyes are sensitive blah blah blah and then it's why are you mad at me when I'm the one that got poked I did nothing wrong. I was fighting a fight I got poked in both eyes and how am I the bad guy? And I completely agreed with that but then after that I don't I don't know why you need to keep talking and being in the media to talk about it. Just go get healed and then let us know when you're ready to fight.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:18

So that that ongoing I don't know did you feel like you're over defending it that's what people do when they're insecure about something right yeah don't you do that you know I'm not saying you I'm saying that's what people do whenever they keep bringing something it's like bro why do you keep I'm not asking you about it why do you keep bringing it up like you're you're the one who keeps bringing it up so obviously you're insecure about something yeah that's why you want to keep bringing it up yeah it definitely hit an awkward stage of all right you got an eye injury go do whatever you need to do well just let us know when you're back in a training camp.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:51

Yeah that's what we need to know we wish you well go do so we'll see right so we'll sign paper and I'm let's go.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:00

Yeah I I did not know about that though that he said he's ready to run in September so that is that's that's great news in Parija. So that should be uh that should be fun and as far as Paeta listen it's a bad look that you're doing this if I was you I wouldn't go this route because you have nothing to be ashamed of it's dude you like Rogan said he dared to be great yeah you dared to be great you you went up to a third weight class and and you tried it's like how Izzy went up you took the words right out of my mouth Izzy went up and yeah you showed that this just this this division ain't for you but you dared to be great you have nothing to be ashamed of um but uh we'll we'll see now i uh he's saying he has no intentions of going back to 205 uh we'll see if he can hang at heavyweight him and hoak it let's run it oh yeah let's run it that's that that's actually good let's run it run it yeah people want to see it it's already been said one more at heavyweight it makes sense because honestly dude if he did have to go back down to 205 I don't know how easy that's gonna be anymore sometimes it's hard when you put that much weight on depending on if you put on muscle or if this was fat you know it's it can be hard to go back down we've seen it with Roy Jones when Roy Jones went down like 47 pounds or something at 253 pounds or he was heavier than Cyril Gone but you could show but you could see that he at he was at his frame was actually smaller than Cyril that's the part that people we need we need our audience to understand just because he weighed more that his weight was not all muscle no and it's not all weight that he's been moving around in for years.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:53

Is he is he a heavyweight naturally walking around yes is he 253 no is he 238 yes so that extra 38 to 53 I mean is there some muscle did he build up his glutes a little bit more and you know his ass blow up yeah so that yes but I mean serial gone 200 pounds of that 253 all ass yeah his ass got so big yeah I thought it was photoshopped when I seen it I mean even John Jones doesn't have a heavyweight no frame no he doesn't I I I still again to this day John Jones could have kept at his normal body weight this is all skill and technique that's why he's able to do that. He could have beat all the heavyweights at his walk around weight when he was a 205 champ he didn't need to take three years off to do you know squats and deadlifts he could have just said he could have been like Anderson Silva like oh okay just put me a 205 and I'll show you I can knock out those people as easy. John Jones could have easily done that been significantly lighter and just smeared all the heavyweights at that time and got the belt easily he didn't need to waste three years of his life but Parada yeah gone moves fluently at that weight and knows how to use it and you just put weight on to be a heavyweight.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:23

I think Hoket had a good point when he was saying it would have been way better for him to come in lighter so he could have moved around more easily too yeah you know somewhere would have been nice around like 230 ish you have to really probably would have been good for him.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:40

You have to ask yourself or your nutritionist your strength condition your corner you really have to weigh if I put on more weight what is the benefit because it's how is it how is the weight is it weight of muscle and muscle equals harder punches um easier to pick you up and body slam you easy to grab you and not be turned easier to what uh or if you're putting on weight okay it's not all muscle and strength but then it's harder for you to move me physically in a clinch position you could argue that but if you don't have a very specific methodology to why you're putting on weight and how much and then what are you using this weight for? Because if you're just saying well the heavyweights weigh about 250 so I should just be 250 that makes no sense there's no strategy behind it other than you think being 250 makes you equal players. We've seen people that you know you take a Bruce Lee that was you know 140 to 145 and then he would beat the hell out of all these other people why would he go up he's like well if I'm fighting an angry big huge unskilled person I don't need to put weight on to beat an unskilled person.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:00

Almeida's a smaller dude look how he handles guys. Yes but he's small he's super small for that division.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:08

Yes and he did pretty well yes he does like so it's again why would you put on extra weight just to say I'm too light for the division I mean even Randy Couture. Randy Couture was lighter in the heavyweight division and became champ. And then he ran into the wall of Brock Lesnar because Brock Lesnar cut the 265 and was juicing and was huge. Like he had his weight was muscle and athleticism he didn't he wasn't just a big guy to be a big guy. He legit what he has the frame for it he has the muscle and the athleticism so his was all useful weight. So in that situation yes your weight is all useful what you did his is all useful but there's a there's a 45 to 65 pound difference when they fought for the belt then you're gonna lose right yeah don't just put on weight without a very specific game plan okay so for paeta hoke it hoke it's around 230 233 something like that right paeta that's perfect 230 rehydrated 205.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:17

Yes that's like walk around weight when he was fighting at 205. And he was still a build he didn't just have a a little bit of a tire around him exactly so there you go let's run it let's make it oh that's awesome it's gonna be fun that's gonna be fun um let's see where are we at uh next fight we have uh Shawn Amali defeating Ariel Hawani via second round PK never getting told that's so good uh Zahabi man Zahabi he good game plan he you know what's so crazy about him okay he throws his leg kicks in such an unorthodox weird way where it's like there's no way that can work like you throw in a leg kick like that it's just it's not gonna land and it's not gonna do any damage.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:08

But Manaya he landed the leg kick every single time because he takes one big step into it hits and lands on that leg which is kind of strange.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:18

It's very strange it's like a running he does this running start and like a almost like a clay guida I don't even know.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:26

And he tries to be pretty defensively responsible with his hands up or the Philly shell that he was rotating back and forth for so it's I'm gonna go I'm I'm taking this big step to get in very deep on it so I'll land mostly an inside thigh kick which is great an inside knee. But I know once I land on that leg, I'm in very much territory to get hit. One with you know the countering of O'Malley his speed his accuracy and his long long mile leg or arm to hit Hit you. But he did pretty good at that game plan. And what do you want to do for O'Malley? You're not boxing with him, so like if you damage his legs and he limps, you slow him down in his movement. So it's a great game plan.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:14

Why did you say I need to see this? When the Sean O'Malley fight was on. Oh. After the bathroom break.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:21

I wanted to watch because there is that a camp of was that an early stoppage? With it, the walk-off.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:30

My boy, my boy Street Jesus definitely thinks it was. It's he was super pissed about the star. He said it was definitely an early stoppage.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:37

When you just watch when I just watch it, the fight and the fight end and they show, you would say it's an early stoppage. But then when I saw Zahabi like after standing up, then he looked at me like he was out of it. So but when you see the stoppage and he gets right back up quickly, like that's a that's a bad stoppage. But then you see him after, and I'm like, oh, okay, I'd say that was a good stoppage. Like the ref saw something we d we didn't before we knew it. So I I agree with the stoppage, but yeah, if you just watch the end of the fight and see him pop up and that and don't watch the aftermath of his body language and whatnot, I I could definitely see why you'd say that was a a bad stoppage.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:28

Maybe they just wanted to get off Sean O'Malley's military salute. It was all a nice little pretty little setup to get that military salute walk off. Yeah. Gangster. It was smooth. It was gangster. It's gangster he called it that he said that that's what he was gonna do. Yeah. So that was smooth. It'll be uh it's good to see Sean O'Malley back in the wing column. I've always been a fan of Sean O'Malley. Let's run him. We cheated. We were cheated again. Because it should have been him versus Peter Jan.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:57

You're gonna say no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Why were we cheating? This fight should have been him and San Hagen. That's the fight it should have been. San Hagen mentioned this fight like way back when they announced a card. Like he said me. How did they make that? He said me and O'Malley at the White House as soon as they did that. They're both right around the same. They're both healthy. That would be so much. They both didn't have a fight. That would have been probably that would have, to me, that would have been my favorite fight on this card. It would have been by definitely my favorite fight. Really? And it because it's such a great matchup. They've been dancing around each other for years now and haven't met. They both they're great. It would have been we were cheated. That's the fight that should have been on this. Have they said why they didn't make that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:41

I don't know. Because that is a that would have been a great fight to have on the card.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:46

And ooh, I don't know. I might have picked I might have picked San Hagen if I was picking the fight for this. That fight, I don't know why it didn't happen. I don't know how. I'm not saying that. He's got a better ground game than O'Malley.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:59

That's for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:00

Oh yeah, yeah. And even his stand-up is pretty darn technical. He never fights outside himself and his skill set. He's his fight fight IQ is uh through the charts too, and his training for doing this. So yeah, we were cheated out of that fight. We got Sahobi. Not that I have anything against him, but what what should have happened could have happened.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:25

Maybe we'll get maybe we'll get that next because I mean there's a good possibility that they'll run the Marab Pieter Jan rematch. They should. Well, then if they do that, then they should use Sanhagen and O'Malley. Okay, then there we go. We said it.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:40

They should have already done it. And we've been set up for the the next one. So we got cheated. That's again why I was a little upset at this card. The Black Beast being on the card, even though I liked it, but his matchup, and then Zahabi and O'Malley not the right fight.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:57

But who would you have had Hokit fight if not the Beast?

SPEAKER_07 1:32:03

I mean, I would have to I mean, I I just didn't I think Black Beast should have retired after his last one. You just didn't want him on the card. Like, I just don't want to see him on the card. Because yes. And then not that I don't love him and I love this opportunity. I love that Trump loves him. You thought it would be a good one. But the fact that yeah, we we know where he's at in his career, and I thought we're gonna do the best of the best, the best matchups, the best card, the best fighters. We talked originally about Trump wanting all title fights, and I know that if we can't get that, Black Beast still shouldn't have been on the card. Respectfully, he should not have been on the White House card.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:38

Got you.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:39

Based on if we want to see the best of the best in the very top of the division, he's no longer there. You didn't say whether or not you thought he gassed. I thought he gassed that night. Yeah, he gassed and he got hurt early. Like it's a combination. And maybe he got hurt more because of your conditioning.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:55

I mean, because he said that he he I don't know if he's lying or not. He said he didn't miss a day of training camp this time and he trained more than any other time. I I took it as maybe the elements, like maybe it was fighting outside.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:08

You know, or maybe maybe it's just like you maybe you you had maybe you did work hard and you did the best, but you're 40 plus now, so that's your your own standard's not gonna be the same. Even if you put all the work in, it's just not gonna be after old.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:24

This is depressing.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:26

Like him him tra I'm not saying he didn't, him training every single day really hard still might be equivalent to him six years ago eating pizza and bacon and training like twice a week.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:41

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:42

Granted, you're just like, but I train every day, I work really hard, I feel great. Yes, but based on age and testosterone and what goes into it, yeah. Your your your seven years ago self could have like got off the couch, ate pizza, and came and kicked this guy's ass. Sad to admit it, but it is the truth. Like it's just no other way around it. So I got you.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:04

Well, the next fight uh up is Bo Nickel defeating Kyle Dachis via first round TKO punches. Ian Ebbett, what'd you think?

SPEAKER_07 1:34:12

I thought the best thing we already talked about Chandler Hoofy, okay. So that's why you're speaking.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:17

Yeah, do you want to go back to it? No, no, we got okay. I uh I thought the best thing that happened to Bo that night was ref Herzog standing it back up. And it's crazy because originally when Herzog stood him up, I was like, What are you doing? Why are you standing him up? And then he stood him up and then Bo knocked him out, and I was like, Oh, all right, well, I guess it worked out for the best.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:38

I mean, it worked out for fans, but it was a mistake. Yeah, he should have never stood it up. Like, what are you like it's not like he was doing nothing down there?

SPEAKER_09 1:34:45

But it he in the end, he did he did Bo a favor because getting the the finish on the feet was way better than him winning the fight on the on the ground.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:53

Very yeah, it worked out still worked out for him, which took the mistake spotlight right off Herzog. But let's not make a mistake Herzog made a mistake, big mistake, and he does this a lot. Yes, he's a fast stander-upper, and he's gotta stop it. He sees people even working and still stands them up. Dude, he stood up.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:11

Valentina Chefchenko. When she was she was literally dropping the elbows and bombs while he was he grabbed, he grabbed her arm while she's in the like like coming down with her elbow. He grabbed her arm. Yeah, I mean, it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my entire life. You want to talk about working? She was working, working, and he stopped her. And she was like, What that? She looked at him, she's like, What are you what are you doing? Why are you touching me?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:38

Yeah, it's he She thought it was fixed.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:40

That's how bad that that was that time. She thought it was fixed because I think that was the Noche fight. And she was like, you know what? Maybe next time we fight in like my country. And I'm not doing this again on a Mexican independence day against a Mexican. She legit thought it was fixed.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:57

And I mean, I'm I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. I'm not. I'm not. I get her point. I think it is a very valid point. But we also see her zog do this time and time again. I think he's a pretty with that exception, I think he's a really good ref, except when he does that. He needs to fix that.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:15

Yeah. Ashley hates his freaking guts. Because of that or other? Yeah, she thinks he's she thinks he's terrible. She thinks he's a because of all these mistakes she made. He sh he is always in her mind. As soon as sh we watch the fights and we see it's him, she goes, Oh, I hate this guy. If you're she doesn't know his name, she just goes, Oh, I hate him so much.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:37

If you're a ground fighter and you pull her her zog, you should be concerned, which that shouldn't be the case of you're fighting, you got other things to worry about. You sh you shouldn't have to worry about judges and refs. Yeah. That should never be in a fighter's mind, and the fact that it is it it always is because we've seen bad refing and bad judging. So it is in the fighters. And then if you pull her zog and you're a ground fighter, you should be like, damn. And then if you're a striker, you'd be like, Woo jackpot, let's go. Let's go, let's go. We hit the ground, I'm gonna do a huggy hug, and then I'm gonna throw a flying knee at you. That's that's the truth, because there's been enough of an established pattern time and time and time and time and time again.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:23

100%. Ian Abbott, anything else on that fight before we go to the last fight of the night? Good job, Bo. I mean We're fans of Bo. He's a hometown boy. PA. PA PA in Pittsburgh, baby, PA.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:37

I mean, PA, Penn State, American guy, blah, blah, blah. Do you think he should have been on a card?

SPEAKER_09 1:37:45

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, American, you know, if we're gonna go for like American-themed guys, I thought he should have been on a card. I don't think Kyle Dawkins should have been on a card. I thought his dance partner was bad for him, marquee name-wise. But yeah, I thought Bo was good for it. I thought it was a sin not having Colby on the card. I thought Colby should have, and I think that had something to do with Colby getting released, quitting, whatever happened there. I don't know exactly what happened if he got released or he What is his status? Oh, he's gone. Officially, he's officially gone. I just I've heard two sides of the story that he quit and then I heard he got cut. So I'm not sure which one it is, but I definitely think that he feels slighted because he wasn't put on the White House card. And to be honest, he should have been put on the White House card.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:34

There I go back and forth for sort of his loyalty and patriotism. For that alone, he should have been on the White House card. I I sort of agree with it, but based on like his performances in his last several fights.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:50

I'm with you, but then we can do that same thing for Chandler, see? But for Chandler, we're like, oh, we're so happy he got to be on the card because he's America's America.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:59

True, but if Chandler wasn't on the card, I would have still been okay because I don't think his again, I keep going back to You wanted this most stacked card possible. Yes, I thought we were getting the best of the best, and Chandler's no longer that guy.

unknown 1:39:14

No.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:15

So he'd wash it. Yeah. Like these are these are the people. That's what bugged me. We had great finishes, but yeah, these people shouldn't have been on the card.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:27

I hear you. I hear you. Uh is who else is like really American that like wasn't on it that if we could have thought of? I mean, Colby's super American Bo, super narrow, gay Chi, chance. Torrier, but he sort of left. Tori is gone, but he was super patriotic. Is there someone else? I don't know. Marav? No, nobody's more patriotic than Morov.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:47

Isn't that something to say? Yeah, legitimately something to say. Morov's definitely the most patriotic. I would not, I mean, I would have liked their trilogy to be if it if they to be on it. I would have thought that would be great for this card. They both were probably healthy enough and could have trained enough. They're both gym rats, so it's not like they take much downtime and they couldn't have been prepared. I don't know that they had any injuries that I know of that would have prevented it. I haven't heard anything of either of them. I'm not sure. Because Yon did have something, but I thought it was remedied, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:29

So yeah, I just looking back, I'm glad they didn't put Connor on it. Originally we wanted Connor on it bad, bad. But looking back, I'm glad because now we get like two events instead of one. True. You know what I mean? We have next month to look forward to.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:45

And forget about the mystical suspension. Oh, yeah. We're supposed to go past this time frame still. Is it for Gazi? Wait a minute. But wait a minute. He's fighting July 11th. Yes. Is his 18-month suspension even over then? I have no freaking idea. I still have to go. Where did it go? I mean, I don't understand. Like, where did he go? Everybody just forgot about it and boom. Where did you go?

SPEAKER_09 1:41:14

My lovely.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:15

Where did you go? I wanna know. Where did it go? It's nobody even talking about it. Nobody talks about it. Am I the only one that brings it up? I think I'm the only person I stopped thinking about it because I was just like, okay, I guess nobody cares anymore.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:32

It just disappeared. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:34

Man. It's so funny. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:36

It's crazy. But uh um, okay, and then the last fight of the night is uh Diego Lopez defeating Steve Garcia via second round TKO punches. Steve Garcia was doing very well in that fight, but the mistake was deciding to go ahead and trade with Lopez, somebody who has one of the best chins in the UFC and hits incredibly hard. So I don't know who told you to do that. You were fighting a very technical fight, and Manaya, you threw it all using that reach and distance, and then this guy, his favorite thing to do is play rock him soccer.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:11

Yeah, yeah. That's what he wishes everybody would do with him.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:16

So yeah, I mean yeah, that I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:20

But it was fun, it was fun though. Yeah, it was Ian. Anything else on that fight?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:25

I mean, I just love that he then weighed in for the light, but and then was even willing to like go back to the hotel room, chill, relax, grab pizza, and come back.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:36

So wait a second. I heard about that. How would uh how would have that how would that have worked, by the way? He weighed in at one. So does that mean he would the the Garcia fight would have got scratched?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:49

Yeah. Okay, I was trying to got bumped to no man's land. Okay, so we would have to have it.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:57

Yeah, his show money or something.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:58

You should and you hopefully you give him even more because if you're gonna screw him over at a chance at the White House, like hopefully they would have really taken care of him.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:06

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:07

I hope. But yeah, he Armin's still in timeout, back in timeout.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:11

What are you doing? Why didn't you get somebody else other than Lopez? You were gonna risk we already didn't get like a full car, which I was fine with because of how when it started and how it ended and the things they were doing in between, which we didn't even go into all that, the cool uh like stories and stuff that they were going into. So I'm okay with them not having as many fights as we usually do, but what I don't understand. Just get somebody else, other than Lope. Why Lopez? Why Lopez for the title? Again, what's I mean he just fought for the title against Volk twice.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:44

Here's the other piece. I don't know why they didn't get Volk to weigh in at 155. And he would have done it. He even said it. Did you see like a couple weeks ago when he was already there in front of the White House? Yeah, it's always ready. And he's not online. He's always ready. He would have done it. He would have put on a decent fight against either of those. I mean, he he lost to Ilya. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:07

And you could argue, but it's like the old Paeta when Paheta just used to throw up the uh the telephone emoji. Every time like a fight would fall through, you paeta would get on Twitter and just put the telephone emoji. Yeah, we so yeah him and Volk, they were always like always ready to save the day. 100%. Okay, so uh the bonuses, fight of the night. Uh fight of the night went to Ilya Topuria versus Justin Gagey. Should uh 100,000 UFC performance of the night, and then they got 300,000 in uh crypto, sponsored by crypto.com. Performance of the night. There were two performance of the night bonuses. The first one went to Justin Gagey, 100,000 in UFC performance of the night cash, 125 in USD one, sponsored by World Liberty Financial, which is a commercial guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:03

Oh yeah, commercial voice and everything.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:05

We're gonna hire you, and then 200,000 in crypto sponsored by crypto.com. Then Cyril Gunn, he had the second performance of the night bonus, 100,000 in UF UFC performance of the night kish and 125,000 in USD1 sponsored by World Liberty Financial, and an additional 200,000 in crypto sponsored by crypto.com. For those of you who don't know what USD1 is, that is just a different type of crypto that I think is made by the government, from what I understand. Like it's like a government crypto. Don't look at me. I don't know. The government's like, hey, we can't be left out of this crypto game. We gotta get in on this crypto game, my man. We're gonna come out with our own coin. We gotta diminish the value of the dollar even more. Even more, man. Let's get on this. Uh and then uh everybody who had a finish got 25,000, from what I understand. I don't have it here on my notes, but I just heard about it today. No question. That's good. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:01

The is it even a waste of time at this point to try and look up what they actually which each fighter actually made? Because I just saw three different ones that put it all out, and none of them were the same for the fighters.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:18

That's why we stopped playing the biggest bag.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:21

Yeah, we were giving out like unintentional false information all the time.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:26

So we stopped.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:27

How much did each fighter make at UFC Freedom 25? Let me see.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:34

And we want the non-bonus attachment, right? We want to know what they were just getting paid. We already know the bonuses, because that was that's the only thing that we can find, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:46:43

Yeah, we don't want the 1.25 million bonus pool in there. We just want to know what they got.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:49

Two men who earned fighter than let me skim through this real quick. So it's a good thing. Man McGregor running around, he da-da-da. Oh, look at that. This doesn't have anything. Let me see. I'll check one more.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:04

Look, uh, we're uh as you're looking that up. Round four to Poryagey, Ilya is still moving forward. As busted up as he is, with two fractured orbitals and uh jacked up nose, he's still he's still moving forward pursuant.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:22

His boxing's so nice, man. It is. He's the best boxer in the UFC, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:28

If you don't call him tough, like he's literally moving forward with any even the I'm sure he could feel his heartbeat in both of his eyes, and it feels like his own heartbeat is like a hammer hitting him in the face. Nah, he's got heart, he's a gangster, and he's still moving forward to try to take him out.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:48

So Gaichey's physique is so funny. His entire career is just like so unassuming. If you saw Gaichey put his glasses on it, and he has his nerd glasses he wears, like it's just like look at his physique versus Ilya's physique.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:03

Yeah, you just would not at all Did you see Connor's uh He's got almost a dad blood?

SPEAKER_09 1:48:09

Yes, he does. Did you see Connor's interview with Ariel and what he said about Ilya? Yeah, it was pretty and when Ariel was like, Well, you know, a lot of people compare him to you, and he was like, What? Really? And he was and then he goes, Well, of course. He goes, he has tattoos, he has my tattoos, he moves like me, and then they showed the side by side of Connor when the fight starts and how he does the wiggle like that when he goes like this with his shoulders. Oh, yeah, yeah. And Ilya legit did the same exact thing, and I didn't even catch it. Like, I didn't catch it during the beginning of the fight until Connor pointed it out, and I was like, Holy shit, dude, he really did.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:49

He definitely started out wanting to be Connor.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:51

Yeah, and even uh Connor was right. He said he wanted to scream at the ceremonial weigh-ins when Taporia went like this, just like Connor does, and he like had to stop himself from doing the Connor scream, but he wanted to. Yeah, yeah. He definitely loved Connor until Connor started talking shit on him. Yep. And then, you know, everything went south after that. Ian, I'm sorry, I can't find you, my man. I can't find the purses. That's right. I can only find the It wouldn't have been real anyway, because you can only find the the the bonus.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:19

It would have been impressive anyway.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:21

Yeah. Uh Ian, any last thoughts on the event?

SPEAKER_07 1:49:26

Just just go watch it. If you haven't watched it, go watch it. Go watch it even if you don't care about fighting. Because the production, having military people walk out on each side, like a first responder on one side and a military vet with their names and their stories, walking out with the fighters, like the the level of patriotism production.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:50

I mean, it was just you know what we gotta use for the thumbnail for the you know how we always use three images? Yeah. In the middle, we should use the flyover. We have. Won't that be perfect? That'll be perfect. That'll be perfect.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:04

Thunderbirds and blue angels. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:07

Um, my last thoughts on the event. I have two things. The first one, I just want to say, what the hell was Tyson Fury? Like, what was that for? If you're gonna have him walk out and not an Yeah, but no announcement, no nut. It's just Tyson Fury walks out and then nothing. I think that's it. So what the hell was the point?

SPEAKER_07 1:50:25

It's just a big old teaser, just to keep you on the hook for whenever that announcement hits.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:30

And we have to assume by him doing a walkout, they're fighting. It's it's that that Dana Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:39

Yeah, he signed it. Anthony Joshua and them they're yeah, they're gonna fight under Dana's name.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:43

This is uh him getting a little little back at Eddie Hearn for signing Tom Aspinall.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:48

Big time.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:48

Little friendly rivalry. Big time. He signed my guy, I signed your guy. Yeah, it is. Um and then the other thing I wanted to say, uh the the the the Daniel Cormier, his Twitter getting hacked. Do you believe him? Did you hear that story? Yeah. Uh here, let me go and read a little bit about it if you didn't hear about it. Uh, UFC commentator Daniel Cormier denies post an alleged Eric Trump DM about rigged fights. Uh it is still under investigation whether U.S. President Donald uh Donald Trump's son Eric Trump asked UFC commentator Daniel Cormier for insider information about the UFC Freedom 250 event at the White House via direct message, which allegedly included the younger Trump asking, are any of the fights rigged? The rumor stems from since deleted X post that appeared to come from Cormier's account. While evidence suggests that the post itself is real, Cormier has denied posting it, claiming that he was hacked or something. Trump also said that the screenshots are fake and claimed that they were generated by artificial intelligence. Here's the full exchange circulating online. Eric Trump, hey Daniel, I'm gonna be attending UFC 250 tomorrow. I saw you were casting, hope to see you there. Yo, Eric, didn't expect to d didn't expect a DM from you. Excited to meet you and the family. Much love, brother. Eric Trump saying, Anything you can tell me about the fights tomorrow? Who you got who you got winning. Cormier then said, Haha, I like to stay unbiased, but I love to watch Nickel fight. Trump then said, You placing any bets? Cormier, nah, I'm actually not allowed to bet on any of the cards or anything. Trump, are any of the fights injured that you know of? Then Cormier said, I'm not quite sure why you're even asking me this, but I think they're all in good shape. Trump said, I'll just cut to the chase. Are any of the fights tomorrow rigged? I've been I in the Lopez fight, and I think an upset wouldn't be too unrealistic with two dollar signs. Cormier finally ended the the uh message exchange with no, none of these fights are rigged, and honestly, I'm appalled that you would even ask me something like that. So what do you think? Is Cormier telling the truth that his account was hacked, or do you think this exchange actually is real?

SPEAKER_07 1:53:23

Who knows these days? It's too hard to guess that. What do you think? You got an opinion on it. This is how I look at it. Here's what I here's what I here's my thoughts. The responses from Cormier seem like Cormier responses. The responses from Trump, while I don't know really anything about him, they just seem fake. They seem like fake like money, like you're you're not really doing that. I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:56

Like you don't talk like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:57

No, this is not how you say that. It's that seems like completely fake. That was the first thing I just completely fake text, fake things, fake conversation, and the right is more how the Cormio does.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:09

And DC's gonna say I'm appalled. I guarantee DC's probably never used that word in his entire life. Appalled. So I'm with you that the the way it sounded just didn't, you know, it sounded a little made up, but more importantly, the first thing that came to mind was do you have any idea how much money Eric Trump would have to bet on the fights in order for him to feel anything? Like it's like that movie that we love with Al Pacino and the Hey brother, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's his name? Wait, what movie? Wait. Alright, alright, alright. Oh, McConaughey. McConaughey and Al Pacino? Oh. McConaughey can pick the fights. Oh, what's the name of that? Um I love that movie. I know you do. That's what I'm asking. I'm asking you. Um people probably know what I'm talking about. Matthew McConaughey can pick winners for football games, and Pacino like bats on all the teaser. I don't know. But the point is in that movie, Pacino says something very telling and very true about gamblers at the end. He said it's not how much you win, it's how much you lose, and how much you actually have to bet on the fights to feel anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:29

And in order for Eric Trump to feel anything when placing a bet on a combat sport, too for the money, for the money. That's it. It would have got flagged so fast, especially with all the shit that's going on right now with uh the sport spreading and how the UFC, you remember that scandal that happened with the betting scandal with the UFC? Like they're on it, they're watching all that right now. Oh, they're so hyper-vigilant. Stuff's like that. 100%, dude. And the Trump kids, they're so busy with the insider trading. You think they're worried about betting on a fight? They're busy making so much money with the insider trading right now and the crypto schemes and everything else they got going on. Why would they wanna why would they want to bet the fight? Why would they want to risk? It sounds like from the tech, let's say the text message was real, right? It sounds like him and DC aren't boys, like they don't know each other all like that for him to trust DC not to go tell somebody that he just asked this question.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:30

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:56:31

He's gonna trust DC to keep his mouth shut that he just asked him to for to uh for inside essentially insider information. Yeah, we he's not gonna trust DC with that.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:41

Well we punched holes and all that.

SPEAKER_09 1:56:43

Yeah, exactly. So that definitely uh that definitely didn't happen. Um, and that's it. Those were my only those were my only last two thoughts. I'm excited for the Connor McGregor versus Max Holloway rematch in uh coming up in on July 11, like Ian was saying. We're finally starting to get some marketing going. It's kind of fun. Uh Connor and Max went out and went at it, and it was hilarious. Uh Connor each other.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:10

Joe just chuckled in the middle.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:12

Joe, excuse my son. He's rude. He's talking, excuse him as I talk. He's speaking when he's not supposed to be speaking. He's rude. It's another world when you're going there with me. And it's another world at this weight. We should play. Let's play it real quick. Let's play it for everybody.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:29

The fact that Connor said Max won't lay a glove on him. That's a bold statement.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:35

It's a very bold statement. Let's take a listen.

SPEAKER_13 1:57:43

And even if you do lay a glove on me, I'm gonna laugh in your face. It's another world here against me, and it's another world at this weight. I love that. I'm gonna come out of this battle unskared and in all glory. I am welcome to this. I'm talking about warriors, brother. I'm a Hawaiian warrior, brother.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:02

I'm gonna put your face over and over again, brother. I already know this, brother. Joe, Mystic Max. Welcome to the myth, brother. Welcome back.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:16

Welcome back.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:19

Return of the max, July 11th.

SPEAKER_13 1:58:22

A bunch of dogs made you laid on that pretty face, brother. I'm gonna box his name to me, hands down. Man, so I gonna box you on my hands. We saw the last time what happened to you being boxing. I wanna go again. Excuse it, Joe. Excuse his rudeness. Excuse me, he's my child, excuse his rudeness.

SPEAKER_09 1:58:46

Uh so that's gonna be I'm glad we're not getting politician Connor, you know, for better or for worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so the build-up should be good, it should be fun. I'm excited. We're gonna be previewing that fight. So that card is yeah, so it'll be exciting. It's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:03

Damn fun.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:03

Yeah, it's gonna be really fun. And hopefully, I know Uncle Dana said that they're never gonna do a White House event, but they're already talking about doing an event for the troops. And I was thinking, put that shit on a battleship, you know what I mean? Put a battle set an octagon up and then on a battleship in the middle of the ocean for the Navy.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:25

Fantastic. Oh my god. Now you got something that's moving with weather and waves. Oh, I didn't think about that. They're not doing waves motion and storms and out there and those hard to take cover and I did not take the waves into consideration.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:45

I did not take that into consideration. The weather thing we can get past, you know, you move. You see where the storm's coming. Hey, it's a big ocean. You know what I mean? We'll take our ass to a part of the ocean where it ain't raining. But you got me with the waves. But you got to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:00

I can argue with how much you feel on the waves on a calm day on a platform that mega huge, but still. Still.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:09

We're gonna have to kick around some ideas. I just thought that'd be such a cool backdrop. It would really be Street Fighter shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:18

Remember in Street Fighter they had a battle shit. That is pretty fantastic. That is but keep flowing with the ideas, because that's a darn good one. Thanks, Mom. Thank you. What's another epic one that we could tie? Like a place? Yeah, that we could tie to America for the troops.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:36

I don't know. That's what I I don't know. Uh put that shit in the middle of the Pentagon. We could do wait.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:45

We could do a huge hangar in a military base. Now a hangar would be cool because now you're inside too. You're inside, it's you know, and have cool stuff all around. You could have all the vehicles and weaponry around it for like setting the stage, and then you zoom in under there in a big hangar.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:07

Oh, or even like uh a fighter jet in the background.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:11

Yes, and you can have the fighters walk out of like uh a C-17, Globemaster 2.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:17

What the hell is that?

SPEAKER_07 2:01:19

That's the big, big jet that carries like tons of troops, and the tanks come out of the Oh yeah, yeah. And you can walk out of the back of it. That's sick. That's a sick idea. That's big enough. That could be a warm-up area, literally, for the fighters. Can warm up inside that plane.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:33

And then for the fight kits, they could be camo.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:36

This is good. Right? Different types of camo. Yeah, different types of came. The gray, the green, the snow camo. We're getting there. We're getting there.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:44

Damn, we're so good at this. Yeah, this is why we came back. The world needs Alright, Ian Evan. Uh, you wanna get anything off your chest, my man?

SPEAKER_07 2:01:55

Um I don't know what your post-fight song of the week is. But my I have an idea for a song, so maybe that's just gonna be my last words.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:08

Oh, oh, okay. You wanna you wanna steal my post fight song of the week? I wanna steal it maybe? No, maybe we'll be a bumper pull. Maybe we do a little toofer. A little toofer? Yeah. Alright, let's do a little toofer. You want you want me to go first or you wanna go first?

SPEAKER_07 2:02:25

I'll I'll go first. I'll tell you what it is and you look it up and play.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:31

Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:33

It'd be crazy if it was the same one. Wouldn't it be crazy?

SPEAKER_09 2:02:36

That would be crazy.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:37

That would be beyond crazy. I don't think.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:39

Mine's probably a lot more obvious than yours. Is yours obvious?

SPEAKER_07 2:02:43

I think it is.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:44

Oh, maybe we have the same one. Alright, it can't be the same one. Alright, what is it? First, I'll just say the band, and then we'll see. Okay, we don't have the same one.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:52

Ah, you got an individual. Yeah. Alright. Drop Kick Murphy's. The boys are back. Not a whole lot of lyrics to the song, but it's good.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:12

Do I know this song? Let me see.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:20

Okay, good, good. Even better.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:22

Are they an American Ben or are they Irish?

SPEAKER_07 2:06:24

They're Bostons.

SPEAKER_09 2:06:25

Bostons. Bostons. Yeah, this some this that's some skinhead punk shit, right? I could see that in like American History X or something at one of the parties. That's very definitely uh super punk. Very uh Irish punk. Very fitting, very fitting. Uh okay, so my turn. My turn now. All right, here we go.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:55

There ain't no grave. Hold my body down. There ain't no grave. Hold my body down. Hear that trumpet sound. Rise right out of the ground. There ain't no grave. Hold my body down. Wait down. What do you think I see? I see a band of being joking.

SPEAKER_09 2:08:15

That's the side view of a scientist in awesome production. That right there. Sick.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:36

Meet me in the air. Well, you can argue.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:40

No American fighter deserves to make it.

SPEAKER_09 2:08:42

Sick, I had to go with KJ's walk out.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:44

And then I thought it was I'm glad you did because I got to soak it in more now. Awesome. Because I I soaked in more visually than I did auditorially when I watched it. So now I got to intentionally switch that around.

SPEAKER_09 2:08:58

Well then I think uh you're gonna love this even more because that song. Have you ever heard the original?

SPEAKER_07 2:09:07

I don't I don't know. I'm a Johnny Cash fan. Um, but I I need to hear it to know if I've heard it.

SPEAKER_09 2:09:17

This is the original for everybody out there. If you guys love that song, this is the original right here. Ain't no grave by Johnny Cash.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:31

There ain't no grave. Can hold my buddy down. It's so funny that when I hear that, I have to can hold my buddy down. When I hear the trumpet sound, that chain right, the chain and the bang, right?

SPEAKER_09 2:09:49

And that's the only thing, unfortunately, that the the band, the military band, it's subtle. If you listen really closely, it's there. But you really couldn't hear it good enough. They really needed this stump in the chain to come out.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:02

Because this makes a band of angels. Because it has a rhythm.

SPEAKER_09 2:10:06

Yes, and you need that when you're fighting. Yep, it's so grimy. And then finally, I had a little treat for you. This is for you, my friend. This was a little uh welcome home gift for you. Oh I thought this would make you so I'll play a little part of it. It's something you really love, okay, but it's a remix of something you love, and it's very on theme. Okay. Ready? It's for you, my friend. I'm peaked. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:44

Just listen. This is gonna make your day. When the world has gone through so many changes, so many ups and downs, so many obstacles, so much confusion. I take it upon myself with being one of the new leaders of the hip hop to make a change and bring it to the forefront. Ready?

SPEAKER_09 2:12:09

You'll have to listen to it's it's you know it's as long as his regular song, but this one's all about America, like patriotic America. No, no, no, no. This is this was a remix he made. It was the Raise Up USA remix by Pete Pablo.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:25

Oh man.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:26

And I know how much I remember you saying how much you love that song. You said it was like one of your favorite club bangers. And when I was trying to think of what song for the post-fight song of the week today, I was trying to think of like, are there any patriotic rap songs? And unfortunately, most rap songs that talk about America are talking shit about America, if you think about it. And there was only two I could think of, and that was the Pete Pablo Raise Up USA remix, and uh and the other one was um uh Soldier Hard. I don't know if you ever hold a so heard of Soldier Hard, but he's a vet, he's a rapper, but he was a vet, and he reminds me of Mookie so much, I don't know why, but his music's super dope and all of it's very patriotic. But it's incredibly difficult to find any rap song that uh is talking good about America and not bad about it, and appropriate in all listeners, yes, and appropriate for all listeners, but I thought you would find that man.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:25

I thought I I like it even more because I thought you were gonna say that that was like an AI-generated remix.

SPEAKER_09 2:13:32

No, this is real. This is he he made more fantastic, and if you if uh whenever on your own time or whenever you listen to it, you'll like the other verses too, because just like how he was naming everything about America to be proud of, he's naming like the military and navy SEALs, he keeps going on about that, and then the ending of it, I won't spoil it, but he gets like super, you know, patriotic, and you'll understand around what time what time, like what year he made this and why. Put it that way.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:03

This is that is good. Oh, that is a nice one.

SPEAKER_09 2:14:08

Ah, so there you go. Ah, I liked your song too. I liked yours as well, man. It was very fitting. Everything was very fitting. That's what she said. Okay. Too long, my brother. Too long. All right, Ian. Anything else, my friend? I I don't I don't think. No, I'm good too. All right, everyone. That's it for our show today. Please don't forget to like and share the episode when you see the thumbnail pop up on social media. We missed you guys. If you want to support the show, you can make a donation by going to the show notes and clicking on the support the show link, or you can make a donation directly to us on buymeacoffee.com. If you want to reach out to us and even know where we at, we on that bluebird real bad. And slip the jet pod myself at Lino the Cake and Ian Kong Fu Bacon. Come chat it up. I'm I'm ready. Once again, thank you all for listening. We love talking to you guys. We missed you guys, and until next time, enjoy the fights, stay safe, and we'll see you guys in a few weeks. Miss your homies.

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