Big Things Podcast

We Listen & We Don’t Judge (E13)

• Mitzi Payne & Mike Payne • Episode 13

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This week, we’re celebrating 500 subscribers on YouTube (thank you!). Mike and Mitzi step into the magical world of Harry Potter, for the first time, and we break down Instagram's new “Trial Reels” feature. Plus we share our thoughts on the Golden Globe 2025 Nominations and explore the viral TikTok trend “We Listen and We Don’t Judge” that puts relationships to the test. 

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  • Mitzi Payne @mmmitzi
  • Mike Payne @mmmiiike

Timestamps: 

  • 04:00 – We hit 500 subscribers on Youtube! Thank you for listening!
  • 05:00  – Mike and Mitzi experience Harry Potter for the first time. 
  • 12:20 – Check out the Easy Reads podcast and join the community!
  • 13:00 – Big Thing 1: Instagram introduces ‘Trial Reels’ to test content with non-followers. Should you try this? 
  • 19:55 – A trip down memory lane: Mike was a hipster and an emo?
  • 22:00 – Mitzi wants to start a reality TV show—but we need a villain. 
  • 24:50 – Who would win in a fight at Arcade? (HR did NOT approve this question).
  • 27:20 – Big Thing 2: Golden Globe 2025 Nominations are out and we’ve got opinions.
  • 40:58 – Big Thing 3: TikTok’s ‘We Listen and We Don’t Judge’ trend, explained - Relationships are falling apart while others get stronger.

Show notes:

Big Things with Mitzi (@mmmitzi) and Mike (@mmmiiike).

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Production by Morgan Berna, editing by Oliver Banyard.

Speaker 1:

All right, all righty, shall we let's do it. Cheers to the last that question. Anyways, welcome to Big Things. I'm Mitzi. This is Mike.

Speaker 2:

This is our show where we talk about the big things we're watching in marketing, social media, pop culture and sports, and we also talk about the things that we're seeing that could influence the future of digital marketing. You can catch the show every week on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts and, of course, check us out on Instagram and TikTok for all the in-between updates.

Speaker 1:

Totally.

Speaker 2:

I just got to say we're the Gore-Tex gang today. Cute, it's winter, it's almost Christmas.

Speaker 1:

You're finally matching with me.

Speaker 2:

We've been doing the hard pitch for people to embrace Alberta and move here and get their Gore-Tex and their down-filled jackets, and we're practicing what we preach For sure.

Speaker 1:

And I am doing this thanks to you. You got me these shoes. Yeah, this is my favorite purchase of 2023.

Speaker 2:

We need to get you another color for 2025. Yeah, I would love to. I just watched a clip on Instagram of George Costanza in Seinfeld showing up at Jerry's apartment with his Gore-Tex downfield jacket. I feel like we need to share it. On big things.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you should, that is so you coded.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was like puffier than puff.

Speaker 1:

Who do you relate most to from Seinfeld, jerry, yeah, you are.

Speaker 2:

Jerry, oh, I thought thought you're gonna argue with me on that one.

Speaker 1:

no, you are jerry for sure. He's kind of like intense about certain things in his home and like oh, I see, not because he's like good looking or like witty you're witty and good looking for sure about because I'm particular, I'm like Jerry. Yeah, and he always has like his home very neat and tidy. That's a compliment.

Speaker 2:

True, I do identify with him, but I feel like the person he reminds me of the most is Drew from our team.

Speaker 1:

Oh yes, Drew is Jerry.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Drew equals Jerry.

Speaker 2:

I don't know if he'd like us saying that.

Speaker 1:

No, I think he'd love it because it's his favorite show. Yeah, I think Drew is Larry David.

Speaker 2:

Well, Drew chose not to be in the office today, so he can't defend himself.

Speaker 1:

It's true, if you can't catch the Drift, it's going to be a very light and easy breezy show. We've got no deep stories for you. Whoa stories for you. So we got we still got some good stuff. Oh no, yeah, this is very like worth your while, worth your time.

Speaker 2:

It's just like it's not going to be that deep so you're welcome, it's like the end of the year. Yeah, it's still going to be worth a watch for sure. And I also want to take this opportunity, since this is the last one of 2024, to say if you've been listening to big things on Apple or Spotify or wherever, just give it a try, go on YouTube and watch the episode and see what you think, compared to the usual in-ear listen.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it would be really nice if you did that. This is also our 13th episode, which means that we've been consistently posting for 13 weeks. That's great.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and we just hit 500 subscribers on YouTube, which is a goal that we had for the start, the end of this year yeah, if you listen to this podcast anywhere, at any time, we love you yeah, if you're part of the apple gang, you're part of the bigger audience. Definitely, we're really trying to juice things up on youtube and even spotify. We're going to be getting video episodes on Spotify in the new year. So, wherever you're listening or tuning in from, thank you, but check out YouTube.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so for the last episode of the year, we're just going to cover three big things for today, plus follow a few rabbit trails. One of them is Instagram announced that they're releasing trial reels. We'll get into what that is and why it's important. We're also going to talk Golden Globe nominations and we're also going to unpack the viral trend on TikTok.

Speaker 2:

that is, we listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 1:

So we'll see. But before we get into those stories, I do want to share an important announcement. You and I, this weekend dabbled into something that we've never experienced before. That is a very I would say it's a pillar of our culture and we've always haven't been able to participate.

Speaker 2:

Haven't been able to or chose not to.

Speaker 1:

Or chose not to until this weekend. Right, and that is the realm of Harry Potter.

Speaker 2:

And we said it at the same time. Isn't that from New Girl? Yes, I love New Girl.

Speaker 1:

But anyways.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So your family came to visit for our daughter's birthday a few weeks ago and our sister-in-law is a big Harry Potter fan and was talking about how good the books were and she wished she could read them again.

Speaker 2:

And I've been like kind of spinning my tires on a few books recently that I've started and not finished. So I was like, why not? I've got a Kindle, I may as well just download Harry Potter and give it a try. And uh, so I did it and I cruised through the first book. It was like a pretty easy read. Um, so we kind of impromptu, spontaneously decided to watch the movie this weekend. Yeah, harry Potter and the the Philosopher's Stone.

Speaker 1:

Philosopher's Stone.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah and it was. Yeah, it was my first dabble in Harry Potter. I've never seen the movies, nor read the books, and and you were going off in your Instagram story.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I decided to do like a little recap of it, like a live reaction to the movie on my Instagram stories, and people loved it because I think I had like some funny hot takes and one liners, yeah, overall like cute, cute and spooky. I can see why there's like like kids who like it, adults who like it. I think the fact that it's like kind of old and like looks old adds to the charm a little bit yeah.

Speaker 1:

I love Hermione. I will die for her. She's amazing. She's the cutest character ever. They're all so young and cute.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think my favorite is Ron.

Speaker 1:

Ron is such a cutie. Ron Weasley I have a crush on all of them. They're so cute, yeah, and I loved Hermione the best.

Speaker 2:

Nice.

Speaker 1:

And I don't know, maybe I'm like I don't really know anything about this series, but I'd really love to see the origin story or, like the love story between Harry's parents. I wonder if that's part of it.

Speaker 2:

Maybe I feel like I was looking at. I was trying to find book number two in my Kindle and when actually no, it was on Fable. Shout out to Fable the new Goodreads, except better. But I was trying to find book number two on Fable so I could update that I was currently reading it and it shows when you start to search for it. It shows all the different books and there's a prequel. There's a Harry Potter prequel that like comes before book number one.

Speaker 1:

I'm assuming it was published later, so maybe, yeah, maybe it's like the origin story.

Speaker 2:

I hope it's a romance. I have no idea. And how?

Speaker 1:

they like came to be together.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

But I was not. The one thing that's interesting about Harry Potter is it mixes all of the things. It's like you got ghosts, you got witches, you got spirits, you got dragons.

Speaker 2:

You got frogs, frogs and toads, yuck.

Speaker 1:

Frogs are like my all time worst, most disgusting thing. If I had a greatest fear, it was toads. They got frogs. There's a lot of frogs. There's so many owls in it. But then there's also like a scene with like a unicorn that died and they were drinking its blood.

Speaker 2:

And a centaur and a centaur.

Speaker 1:

Like I was not mentally prepared.

Speaker 2:

And there's dragons.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I already said dragons, I wasn't mentally prepared for all of those things. In one movie I feel like we watch like other mystical fantasy type shows or movies like Game of Thrones. It's like okay you get you get used to the dragons, you get past the dragons mentally and then you can move on and enjoy the show. But with this I had to like, confront all these like imaginary things and then like spells and like it was sports a lot sports sports is a huge theme of that movie, quidditch sheesh.

Speaker 1:

So it's, it's like a lot for the senses and like it was one big signal of like pop culture today no no, no, am I reaching?

Speaker 2:

that's reaching for sure. Why there's sports?

Speaker 1:

there's like fantasy, mysticism that's not a signal it's all things that are very popular now yeah, but it's just like it's a popular thing.

Speaker 2:

It's been popular for like the last 20 years next thing I'm going to get you watching is Lord of the Rings no, thank you.

Speaker 1:

That's the one thing. I'm sorry to all those like Lord of the Rings nerds out there.

Speaker 2:

I don't think there's dragons in it, or there's. I don't think there's frogs. I don't think there's dragons in it, or there's. I don't think there's frogs. I don't think there's. Well, there's probably unicorns. There's definitely centaurs.

Speaker 1:

Centaurs are so weird.

Speaker 2:

Like centaurs are weird I don't know, I haven't. I haven't read the books in a while, but yeah, I feel like it's a little more narrow.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Less mass mysticism.

Speaker 1:

I just like more narrow, yeah, mass mysticism. I just like I really like reality. I just like have a hard time with, like, my imagination, but they did it. I mean it was a really cute movie.

Speaker 2:

I'll watch the second one, and I'm sure they get a little bit more modern and like better effects as they go, because I'm pretty sure it was similar to lord of the rings, where they didn't come out like quickly one after the other. It was like every couple years there's a new one. So I feel like we're going to feel the jump from movie to movie.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and now that I see them as kids, I'm so proud of them for like being in the public eye for so long, like they were really child stars and they're all kind of like good people.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the only thing that's hard, hard. I think this is just a perception thing, I haven't experienced it, but the thing that seems like it would be hard is when you're part of a movie or a tv show that becomes such a cult classic that it's hard to like redefine yourself as an actor for sure, because like they. None of them have like done too much noteworthy stuff past that series.

Speaker 1:

Right, but at that, at that like, um, like, at that being that popular, like being a global sensation, like that, you don't really need to do anything else.

Speaker 2:

Right Like Emma.

Speaker 1:

Watson is Hermione, and if she has to be anything else besides that, she's Belle from Beauty and the Beast, and that's it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I feel like Emma Watson was probably the one that had the most expansive career after Harry Potter, but I feel like Harry and Ron.

Speaker 1:

I don't even know their names.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Me neither I know Harry Potter like the guy that acted. Harry Potter had some other notable roles, but I just feel like Emma Watson was the one that like exited that and then did a lot more.

Speaker 1:

Right, yeah, but I feel like they probably don't even need to. It's like nice yeah, must be nice. It's kind of like like Seinfeld, like you don't really need to do anything else when you're that big of a like sensation right, except Jerry's touring as we speak yeah, he's a comedian though right, elaine had veep, which was a goaded. Oh for sure, so good yeah anyways, so that was a huge update for this. Um. I also will take this opportunity to plug my other podcast.

Speaker 2:

It's called easy reads because you're doing harry potter on it next.

Speaker 1:

No, we're not but we actually talk about harry potter literally in every single episode that we've ever done all year, because people can't believe they haven't watched or read the books. So it's a huge update for the Easy Reads community. So if you're part of that, we will do a follow-up episode about it as well.

Speaker 2:

I don't think it is that big of an update until you actually pick up one of the books. Sorry.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

Because it's a reading podcast.

Speaker 1:

Right, Well, we talk. It's like a movie based on a book.

Speaker 2:

Right. So are you just going to watch the movie of every book that you guys talk about on the podcast now?

Speaker 1:

We do sometimes, Just you know.

Speaker 2:

Instead of reading the book.

Speaker 1:

No, we read the book. You better read the book I don't want to.

Speaker 2:

No, we read the book you better read the book I don't want to.

Speaker 2:

Sorry, easy Reads community. Should we get into the thing? One Sure, instagram announces trial reels, so Instagram is allowing creators to test their real ideas on new audiences before sharing them with followers. Trial reels will be shown to non-followers first, providing engagement data, including views, likes, comments and shares, approximately 24 hours after publishing, to help creators determine whether it's worth sharing with people that follow their account. So this feature aims to help users try out new ideas and expand their audiences without negatively impacting their established following on the platform. Many, which may be useful for creators who feel chained to a particular style of content and that is largely what Adam Mosseri kind of talked about when he was announcing trial reels was that, uh, this was for the creators that had apparently expressed to him that they felt that they were afraid to try other types of content. What do think?

Speaker 1:

yeah, I mean, on the one hand, it seems like Instagram is giving creators a chance to test out concepts, and I think that's really cool, um. But on the other hand, like I'm also seeing a lot of frustration from creators who are just like asking for their content to be seen by their followers. This isn't really like doing that necessarily. This is getting shown to people who aren't following you. So I mean I think I would use it just to see, like net new, who would be interested in this content, who doesn't know me. But then your face the harsh reality that, like I feel like it's really hard to make content for people who don't know you very well. It takes like another muscle, which, I mean, that's the whole point of Instagram. They're just trying to favor content that will get shared and saved.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think I can't relate to big creators. I don't have the stakes that they have when sharing content and I don't even share that much content on Instagram in the first place on my own channel. But I can imagine that if you have 300,000 followers and an engagement rate that you're happy with that, you would feel that there's a level of risk attached to publishing a different style of content and I think Instagram's really gone above and beyond to make them feel that there's a level of risk attached to publishing a different style of content.

Speaker 2:

Um, and I think, like Instagram, has really gone above and beyond to like make them feel that way, like get like your audience is King, give them the content they've they've known to expect from you.

Speaker 2:

This is why they trust you, that kind of thing.

Speaker 2:

As I've thought about this, I think it's actually a really interesting tool to use, potentially differently than Instagram intended it, because I think people have wanted to have some sort of test feature for a long time and that's obviously interesting.

Speaker 2:

But I also feel like you could take the angle of, like this is a different type of reel that you can publish and a different type of content, different type of reel that you can publish and a different type of content, and that's that Like. I kind of liked the idea that you can now create content to publish on trial reels and decide that it's only going to go to people that don't follow you. It's almost like top of funnel content and maybe content that you frame differently because you know that people that don't follow you and likely don't know you are going to see it. And then you still get to produce content for your audience outside of trial reels and just a traditional reel that is specifically for your audience. So it almost they're giving us the ability to create our own funnel and have different content, perform different ways with different audiences.

Speaker 1:

For sure. That's the most interesting thing to me, yeah, and I think once you do a trial and if it performs well, you can say like, send it to the rest of my followers. And so I'm curious about what that flip looks like, because then it'll show up like on your feed and on your reels tab and then get shown, presumably, to your followers. So whatever flip they're switching for that like that's interesting.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like does it. If, once you decide to publish it to your followers, does it like suddenly show up like it was published, like that moment.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2:

And like get the initial, like boost that a new post usually gets. Like that would be curious to me and I also would be curious to know if there's like a time limit, like do you only have?

Speaker 1:

I think so. I think there is a time limit. I have the feature. I haven't tried it yet, though.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we should try it and report back. I know it says approximately 24 hours after publishing you get those insights, but I wonder if you have to decide at that point if you want to publish it to your followers or if you can go back and do that four days later. Right, you know.

Speaker 1:

I kind of like the idea of like sending something out to people that don't follow you and just leaving it there.

Speaker 2:

That's exactly what I'm saying, too. Like that's, I'd be more inclined to use the feature that way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I wish they had this kind of feature for other things like podcasts. Yeah, I think it'd be fun to do a podcast trial of like different like subject matters. Like I know we always joke about having like a sports show one day. Like if we could just like dabble and see like what would a sports, how would it perform in the podcast network or universe. But like doesn't have to go to our immediate audience.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because we feel kind of not stuck, but like people, our audience expects marketing content from us.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and we're giving them pop culture right.

Speaker 2:

So like it would have been cool to test that before, just like going out on a limb with it, but hopefully y'all like it yeah, I know it's.

Speaker 1:

It's a huge gamble and I I get that pressure. It's like you. You people expect one thing from you and I think oftentimes, like creators, can feel typecast, similar to like actors, like they have to do this one certain thing, this one niche they double down on and that's the only thing that people care about. So if they want to try something outside of that, it can be daunting.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and even we talked about like influencers' aesthetic a few weeks ago, and even that I feel like influencers could have some stress around evolving their style, even Not even just the type of content, but just how they look or dress themselves in their content, depending like what their authority is. Cause if someone followed started following you when you were a hipster and then now you're not, you know remember hipsters?

Speaker 1:

I do.

Speaker 2:

I feel like I didn't we see one in the wild?

Speaker 1:

I was going to say, the other day we saw a hipster and we're like wow, that I haven't seen a hipster in so long.

Speaker 2:

I know I feel like the days of the hipster were like the golden days, not because being a hipster was so fun, but just because it was like pre all this crazy world stuff.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, not to get into politics, but just like there's so much stuff happening around the world, I feel like anything 2019 or earlier was just the golden age, an ease that we didn't know we had right.

Speaker 2:

We're just like naive and just drink your little lattes, yeah, like. Take me back to the lumber sexual aesthetic when everything was simpler.

Speaker 1:

I think you were a hipster, definitely. Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2:

I was a hipster and then even earlier than that, like late high school, I was like kind of like emo, like punk vibes oh yeah, like the tight band t-shirts and like did you ever dye your hair? I like had like highlights or whatever, like bleach yeah frosted tips not frosted tips so much as like highlights you never went dark no, my dad would not allow it good job, todd.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I wouldn't be into that you did have a top knot, just just just so the people put that out there for everyone.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah so that was something yeah, it wasn't like the full long hair with the top knot, it was like shaved on the sides, it was like an undercut and long on the top with the top knot.

Speaker 1:

That's crazy, Mike.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. That's why we're lucky, we met each other when we did.

Speaker 1:

We might not have.

Speaker 2:

The vibes might not have been present.

Speaker 1:

It would not have been present.

Speaker 2:

No, I heard you used white eyeliner.

Speaker 1:

You know that's still cool. By the way, there are some girlies out there doing it right the way the white eyeliner yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it, but I'll take your word for it um, the other thing I wanted to say about like shows and testing different formats is if I could have this feature for a podcast or for any type of media. It would be to test a reality show.

Speaker 2:

I thought you were going to hit me with something crazy, but yeah, that's not surprising.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I've said it lots, Like our team knows this. It would be super fun Maybe not always fun to have like a little BTS reality show of arcade. The only thing that I can't get past is like who would be the villain? And it's not allowed to be anyone within the team. Like no, like inter-team fighting, which I know every good reality show needs like a villain. So the only thing I've landed on and I've thought about this long and hard is that it would have to be clients yeah, we've talked about that and that's absolutely not going to happen.

Speaker 2:

But I actually I've thought about it more and I think the villain would have to be like one of our competitors.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

Like you think back to one of the goaded movies of our time.

Speaker 1:

Good, Burger, oh wow, remember Good Burger. Yeah, and the villain in.

Speaker 2:

Good Burger was Mondo Burger Right. Good Burger yeah.

Speaker 1:

And the villain in Good Burger was Mondo Burger, right.

Speaker 2:

So we got to figure out like what is Arcade's Mondo Burger and build a reality TV show around that villain.

Speaker 1:

Yes, maybe we need to just do that for just like the vibes, like every Even without a reality TV show we need to give our team someone to hate. Yeah, we need a villain.

Speaker 2:

Like we need to like compete against something.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, someone that just like keeps us awake at night yeah, and like we just have to be better than them.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, every good hero needs a villain yeah, like I feel like michael jordan's chicago bulls their, their villain was the detroit pistons yes like who's our Detroit Pistons?

Speaker 1:

Who is our Detroit Pistons?

Speaker 2:

And that's assuming we're MJ Malice at the Palace. I guess that wasn't with the Bulls.

Speaker 1:

But yeah Well, I'm not going to name any names, but I've got some thoughts, so I'll save them for off camera.

Speaker 2:

For the reality TV show. How about that?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I feel like the closest thing we have to a reality TV show right now is our TikTok, because it's like the point of view of the social girlies.

Speaker 1:

Shout out to our social girlies.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they're doing vlogmas as we speak. So, they're posting a vlog every single day.

Speaker 1:

I really feel for Pamela because she came. She's our social media intern who's here watching this record the show, but she came to the office today to like do her vlogmas and it is so boring like there's no way we could have a reality today is extra boring it's just because most of our team doesn't come to the office on mondays or fridays, and it's the last week before the holidays.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I don't expect anyone to be here, but it's just like a tough day to do a vlog yeah the other closest thing we have to a reality show is my my youtube tell us more about that oh, thanks, um, I just started youtube.

Speaker 2:

It's really fun and I'm gonna do more of it yeah, you've been doing monthly vlogs, but we've been talking about how you need to go weekly yeah, and I think you're also going to add a weekly vlog for vlog whoa.

Speaker 1:

I did not sign off on that yet.

Speaker 2:

Yes, but I have signed off on this.

Speaker 1:

Just when will I do that? I barely have the time to do this show. You're doing it anyway.

Speaker 2:

No, I know you just cherry pick some of the stuff that you're shooting for your weekly vlog on your channel to be specifically around building our weekly episode for big things and showing off the team.

Speaker 1:

I mean, you know what? We have a writer's room every week. Sound off in the comments if you would like to see a weekly vlog on Big Things' YouTube channel Be right, brb, just texting all my friends to jump in the comments real quick Okay before we move on to the next big thing, I do have a note in here about who would win in a fight in arcade.

Speaker 2:

Whoa, and I think so.

Speaker 1:

HR did not approve. No, totally, um. But I think that came out because the team was talking about, like who would win in a fight if it was up against Mel, our social media director, or Morgan, our editorial lead, and everyone. The consensus was Morgan, and no shade to Mel. Mel is a very wonderful, strong, resilient person. But I just think we all kind of like sense that Morgan's got that that girl in her, she's got that dog in her. So, anyways, it kind of started people thinking like okay, if we had a reality show. And it reminded me on Vlogmas, when I was doing my vlog, and it was also like kind of a boring day around here. I'm really doing this like reality show, pitch lots of favors, um. But Ben was joking like oh, like maybe we'll like start some drama, like maybe I'll get in a fistfight with Mike or something, and then that started like the conversation, like if there was a fistfight, who would win?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I think, I think I agree that Morgan would win. Um, mel's pretty tough, but I think, think the sole thing that tips the scales in Morgan's favor is that she swims competitively. I feel like to be on a swim team or to swim competitively. You have to have that edge.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Like, you got to be willing to like dunk someone you know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the older I get, the less I care about like physical strength. Yeah, the older I get, the less I care about like physical strength and the more I care about being the ability to like like talk circles around. Someone Like this reminds me of that Yellowstone episode where, like, beth went to the bar and she's like this is what I do for fun, and she just like gets drunk and then like picks some guy and like just lures him over and then reads his mail and embarrasses him.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that would be like a really cool skill. I just don't have it. I don't. I'm not like that ruthless.

Speaker 2:

You're not that type, that personality type. Yeah, you're too nice.

Speaker 1:

I am too nice, you're not too nice.

Speaker 2:

You're too nice to do that.

Speaker 1:

I'm too nice. You're the perfect amount of nice. That's nice.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, I'm pretty nice too.

Speaker 1:

Anyways, enough of that.

Speaker 2:

Anyways, enough about trial reels. I feel like we barely talked about this story, but it was iconic.

Speaker 1:

It's there. I'm sure Adam Masseri has a post on it on his Instagram that you can go watch.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we'll drop some stuff in the show notes. Do you want to talk about the Golden Globe nominations?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Golden Globe nominations came out and it's really interesting because we actually watch TV and so I feel like we have some thoughts.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I got to confess I feel like we didn't do a great job with the last awards breakdown.

Speaker 1:

We didn't, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:

Which one was it? Even it was the Grammys.

Speaker 1:

The Grammys? Yeah, it was only because we don't like, we're not like music heads, we're more podcast people.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so we don't listen to a lot of the new emerging artists, so I feel like we just were biased towards the few that we knew, like Shibuzy and. Sabrina Carpenter. But when it comes to the Golden Globes, we know TV around here, so we've got opinions.

Speaker 1:

For sure. What are our opinions?

Speaker 2:

Favorite nominations, one would be the Bear.

Speaker 1:

Yes, we like that show. It's also again nominated in the comedy category and I went to see Matty Matheson last month for this book event and someone in the audience asked him is the Bear a comedy? Because that's a big criticism of the show. It's getting all these awards. In the audience asked him is the bear a comedy? Because that's a big criticism of the show. It's getting all these like awards in the comedy category when like really it's like not really a comedy show. But Maddie explained that if your show is under like 45 minutes or something, there's no other category that you can be up for except for comedy.

Speaker 2:

Oh, so he's like.

Speaker 1:

I have no opinion on whether it's comedy or not, but that's the only category we can go for.

Speaker 2:

It definitely has comedic relief, but it's like I would say it's more written like a drama.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure, it's like I think it's a drama.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but there's funny parts for sure, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Um, so that's a show that I'm excited for. I also parts, for sure. Yeah, um, so that's a show that I'm excited for I also. We both watched mr and mrs smith this year with donald glover and that was also up for an award, and we really like that show, and both actors in that show are also up for their categories that's cool.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, donald glover never ceases to amaze me with how this isn isn't the right word, but I want to say ambidextrous. He is Like he's. That's not what he is, but he's just like so versatile across different forms of art, whether it's like music or poetry or, um, I'm sure he's great like with visual art but also acting.

Speaker 2:

He's such an artist, yes, and I think he's even talked about how, like he likes to move kind of fluidly across mediums. So for a while he was known as a musician, but then as soon as he gets fame or recognition in that art form, then he wants to be in something else.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and he started as a writer. He was a writer for 30 Rock, which was super cool.

Speaker 2:

Oh't even know that yeah.

Speaker 1:

He. That's how he started, like his career.

Speaker 2:

Cool yeah and 30 rocks.

Speaker 1:

So then he was a writer in 30 rock and then he acted in no he was a writer in 30 rock, then he was a comedian, then he acted in right, he did stand up. Yeah, I went to a show with for him.

Speaker 2:

Oh, oh, I remember that.

Speaker 1:

I went to a show for him, or one of his shows, early in his career and it was a show that was half stand-up comedy and half music cool. And then I got to meet him yes we got a really cute picture together.

Speaker 2:

I remember, I remember seeing that picture when I was like just starting to be into you and wanting to date you and just kind of feeling jealous of that photo.

Speaker 1:

I know I would have been jealous too. Like we look like we're dating.

Speaker 2:

You definitely looked like there was a vibe.

Speaker 1:

We looked like a cute couple. Nothing happened, nothing happened. He was just like hey, bye. Good to know. I was like bye, um, but anyways, back to the golden globe. The other category that I think is interesting is in best performance by a female actor in a supporting role. We have ariana grande, who's nominated, and so is selena gomez.

Speaker 2:

to pop disney, pops girlies is selena for that, only murders in the building no, she was nominated in that category for emilia perez.

Speaker 1:

so the golden globes is interesting because it's movies and tv. So there's a bunch of nominations or categories for TV and then there's a bunch for movies and she's interestingly nominated for both TV and movies this year, get it girl. I know it's a lot going on for her and she just got engaged.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, to Benny Blanco. To Benny Blanco. I don't really know anything about him, but I'm stoked, I knew that. So I don't really know anything about him, but I'm stoked, I knew that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and there's a lot of other categories. Wicked was nominated for a few things, which is no surprise In terms of other TV shows the Penguin was nominated right. Yep Shogun is nominated, which you really liked.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1:

And Nobody Wants Us was nominated, which is one of our favorite shows, but I think are saying like it shouldn't have been nominated.

Speaker 2:

it's like not that good according to the critics, but yeah, it kind of scratches the itch of like, kind of like a cheap rom-com, you know, like that, which is what everybody has been wanting. So I think that's probably why it got nominated like we just have a severe lack of good like lighthearted, almost like borderline PC comedy, and I think that was the type of rom-com that people just were missing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:

So, and it made Adam Brody great again.

Speaker 1:

I'm all for that. Yeah more of that, even have a crush on the guy like he's just like he checks all the boxes he seems really nice yeah um, so, yeah, interesting to see all that stuff come out.

Speaker 1:

But I think one thing we were talking about with the golden globes is, yes, you know, these shows and movies are quite popular and lots of people are talking about them and watching them, but it doesn't compare to the numbers of people who are watching YouTube and Internet shows. And we saw, I think it was two years ago, the Emmy Awards, which is the awards body for just strictly TV. It includes like more TV categories, like reality and talk show and daytime, like it really covers like all facets, facets of television. They started to recognize internet tv shows like hot ones, and hot ones was nominated for emmy award, which is like a huge deal because, like, they've never done that. Um, so, and when it comes to tv, youtube is actually the most watched and people spend more time watching youtube on tv than they, and people spend more time watching YouTube on TV than they watch network or streaming.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't think we really watched a lot of YouTube on our TV until we had kids and then we started watching some of their shows on YouTube on the TV. I think sometimes you watch vlogs on the TV, but so far we haven't made the leap personally into watching a lot of what we watch through YouTube. We could definitely do it for sports now that YouTube has more sports licensing deals, um, and we haven't yet sprung for YouTube premium to to miss all the ads, but I think it could be a contender in the next year or so for us as a family, totally, I think.

Speaker 1:

So I mean, I feel like I watched, I don't realize what, like what is considered an internet show to me, like it's also just like a YouTube series, you know, but like it with all, like it is a YouTube show or an internet show, you know.

Speaker 2:

So we do watch some things like Hot Ones was probably the first one we watched, so it makes sense that it's the first one to be nominated, not that, like we're the standard that everyone else followed, but, like for us, when it came to watching YouTube on our TV, I feel like Hot Ones was the first one, and then Architectural Digest, open Door was another one that we watched a lot on our TV, just like sometimes on the weekend or in the evening, yeah, or NPR's Tiny Desk series. True yeah.

Speaker 1:

I feel like we've been watching that for years. We just like have it on. I also really love Chicken Shop Date Amelia de Mordenberg De Mordenberg, that's how you say it yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's a good one. Mr Beast is obviously the big one. I just personally am not that into his content. I think like it's interesting sometimes, but I catch more of it on social media just kind of clipped down than like committing to like going to his channel and watching his latest episodes.

Speaker 1:

Mr Beast is so crazy. Actually there was like a new report that came out kind of similar to the timing of, like, the Golden Globes, but according to this report that they ranked all the top Netflix shows in terms of total hours watched and mr beast surpassed all of them. So they had like for for netflix. They had you. Season four, queen charlotte by bridgerton. Wednesday season one, the glory. Season one, jenny and georgia. Season two, the night agent. Season one, which happened to be the top watched netflix show with 81.2 million. But even surpassing all of those shows was mr beast with 1.06 billion watch hours that's just hard to wrap my head around I know it's crazy, so I just wonder like, when will these like award shows catch up to what people are actually watching?

Speaker 2:

If they were to start including more internet shows, which one would you nominate?

Speaker 1:

Chicken Chop Date. I love her.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's a good one. I'm jealous of that one. Like jealous that you picked that one. I don't know which one I would pick. Beyond that Like Hot Ones obviously got its recognition, mr Beast is getting its recognition. Pick beyond that like hot ones obviously got its recognition, mr beast is getting its recognition. I feel like when I think of other big creators, they're more like streamer style, like kai sanat or right or um jake paul yeah um, and then there's some older ones.

Speaker 2:

I don't know if they're still popular. Is david david dubrick or david dubrick still? I don't think so.

Speaker 1:

I think he kind of like had some legal troubles, um, but we actually just listened to a podcast episode with Jake Shane and yeah he was saying he's like a tiktoker turned podcaster and his podcast therapist is on YouTube and it's quite popular it's a funny name.

Speaker 1:

I know um, but he was talking about how he really has a lot of vision for himself as like this new media creator to like kind of take over late night.

Speaker 1:

So when you think about late night tv, it's hosted by like all the jimmies in hollywood and they kind of like have these like really um produced segments. So then they'll have like a celebrity come on who's there to talk about the latest project that they're promoting, and all the stories and anecdotes and like little off, like things are just like very produced. And what Jake Shane was saying is like he's able to get these celebrities and it's totally real, raw conversation. There's not like a producer that had like five calls with their pr person to kind of like figure out what stories they're going to bring to the show and they're not being prompted. It's not scripted by any means. Well, that's kind of like what late night is and people are like steering away from that because they're kind of over that, like shenanigans, and they really want something that's real and unproduced and unfiltered and a little unhinged, and that is someone like Jake Shane.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1:

He described himself as like Andy Cohen, mixed with. Who is it?

Speaker 2:

I'm having a hard time remembering. Andy Cohen is the one that I remember. Yeah, shoot, I wish I wrote that down. Yeah, well, anyways, keep your eye on Jake Shane.

Speaker 1:

I think he's Shoot. I wish I wrote that down.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, anyways, keep your eye on Jake Shane. I think he's going places. Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 2:

He just has a knack for being creative, being really entertaining and then also like building lore really quickly, Like the way that he talks to his followers and his community and just the like terminology and phrases yeah, I'm not going to say it cause I know your parents are watching, but um, just the way he addresses his fans and like, like phrases catch on really quickly.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he's so good at that. Um, speaking about Hot Ones, did you see it got sold.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I think it's interesting that it got sold one. I didn't realize it was owned by Buzzfeed, cause I view it as a complex show. I didn't realize it was owned by BuzzFeed, because I view it as a complex show, but it was sold by BuzzFeed to another, I think some Soros investment group or something like that.

Speaker 2:

But the interesting thing for me that I really liked out of this transaction was that, from what I've read, sean Evans, the host of the show and the creator of the show, actually has an ownership stake as part of the investment group that bought it so that's, really cool to see someone who was like, I say, just the talent, because that's what he was, but obviously is so much more than just the talent now also have a stake in the show as it continues to grow and yeah increase in value and things like that well, I saw some like content about when it first went on sale and how people were saying it actually doesn't make business sense for it's kind of like a liability to buy hot ones without having Sean Evans as part of the ownership group because he would be kind of like a flight risk, like just being the talent even though he's so integral to the show.

Speaker 1:

Like could the show survive without him? Maybe not. He's all obviously like quite expensive to keep on board because he's so prolific now. So it's like for whoever is going to own this new entity, they like sean evans has to come with it. They either have to pay like a high price for his like involvement or give him part of the ip so he can be part ownership yeah so good, good for.

Speaker 2:

Sean Evans. Yeah yeah, smart by the ownership group and good move by Sean Evans.

Speaker 1:

For sure Should we move on to our last big. Thing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we listen and we don't judge, so some relationships may be falling apart on TikTok thanks to this new trend we listen and we don't judge. Others may be getting stronger, but overall at least it's entertaining. So if you're unfamiliar, it's a trend where a couple will look at the camera, sitting next to each other, and they'll chant together. We listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 2:

There you go and then they'll take turns listing confessional style issues that they have with each other or things that they do on their own because of, like, each other's quirks, that maybe that their partner didn't know, and the whole idea is that they can't be judged for confessing that thing and it's supposed to be entertaining. Sometimes it's a little bit more cringe.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there are some that are so hard to watch because people are really like putting it all out there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, some of them are like pretty savage and you can tell that there's some dysfunction in that relationship. Others are almost like just funny and endearing and you can tell that like it's just funny to each other because they have a good base.

Speaker 1:

For sure, like some of my favorites, like the good ones where, like one person was like, sometimes I watch show episodes without you and fake my reaction when we're together.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and then you could, you could tell in that one how they react to each other that it's like not that big of a deal. They just think it's funny.

Speaker 1:

And then one of my favorites I saw is this wife telling her husband sometimes if I want you to do something, I give you a compliment first and then then you can just see like doesn't just think about all the times where that has worked, where like he's so like easy that he just like needs to be complimented, and then he'll do whatever, but that would work on me no, for sure, that is totally you 100.

Speaker 2:

That same couple. The guy said that sometimes he'll act like he doesn't smell the silent and deadly farts that she rips, which is so funny.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, there are some that are so savage that I can't believe they're on the internet. Like one person said, sometimes when I'm doing the laundry, I check your underwear for skin marks.

Speaker 2:

Which honestly reason numero uno that I don't wear white underwear just to be safe but like how could you put that on the internet about your spouse?

Speaker 1:

like that's crazy, yeah and someone else said, sometimes the dog will get into the floss, and then I wrap it up and put it back, so you don't know or get mad at me yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2:

But also like why would a dog want to get into the floss? I know that's so specific.

Speaker 1:

That's a head scratcher to me okay, this one that was actually so crazy when I said that your dad's car was in a hit and run. It was actually me. That's gnarly and some of them are really rude. Like one person said, I screen 90 of your calls and text. Yeah, the worst one I saw of all of the internet and I watched a lot of these is somebody said this man said about his wife I found your wedding vows before a wedding and read them and then wrote mine to make sure that mine were going to be better than yours.

Speaker 2:

What a strong start to a relationship.

Speaker 1:

And then so she was like so you faked your reaction. And he's like yeah, like at your wedding. Imagine thinking back like that moment.

Speaker 2:

That is a narcissist.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that was so much that the comments went crazy, cause, like I was like run girl. But like, imagine, like you're the moment when you're like saying your vows to your partner at your wedding. It's like seared into your brain, like, and for all of that to feel like a lie, like like I don't know how you can come back from that yeah, that's like pretty, pretty intense I'm.

Speaker 2:

I personally lean towards the more endearing ones, like, I think, the couple that we both like that feels like they have a healthy relationship, so this is just like water off their back. One of the guys said that sometimes he'll eat her leftovers and then tell her that they went bad and he threw them away.

Speaker 1:

Classic, that's just like marriage.

Speaker 2:

That's just like marriage.

Speaker 1:

That's like honestly roommates.

Speaker 2:

True.

Speaker 1:

Like whatever. It's just not a big deal, it's not that deep.

Speaker 2:

But it's funny, especially when it's the type of roommate where they like put their name on everything oh yeah and they're. They're like keeping track of everything that's in the fridge, just to make sure there's.

Speaker 1:

So there's two extremes with roommates. It's like people who are like that, who are like they're like this is my side of the fridge, this is your side of the fridge, and then everything is labeled. And then there's people who are like share everything. Or there's that roommate that like like. I remember a friend of mine had a roommate and he would like come home to their apartment, open the fridge, be like hmm, what should we have for a snack? And he's like what do we have in the pantry? Like as if it's like his mom's house, and she like came back from Costco, like everyone in this place is like buying their own stuff. Yeah, so I always leaned more.

Speaker 1:

I don't know what kind yeah.

Speaker 2:

So I always leaned more I don't know what kind of roommate you were, but I always leaned more towards like the end of we just share everything but we all do our part to make sure that, like, we make up for what we consume.

Speaker 1:

You had some pretty good roommates then, yeah. I was like I think I've lived in both scenarios and both were fine.

Speaker 2:

Nice.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I'm a pretty were you ever labeling your stuff in the fridge? I did Um in one situation where I like didn't know my roommates, like I was put into like a house with a bunch of other people too, and so like we all kind of just like did that and it's fine, it's like not not a huge deal.

Speaker 2:

Did you ever have like a really messy roommate situation?

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Tell me more.

Speaker 1:

It wasn't that bad. It was just like this person's like really messy. Is this dramatic? Oh like literally messy.

Speaker 2:

I thought I meant more like like it was a dicey experience.

Speaker 1:

I don't think I want to. I don't want to share it.

Speaker 2:

No, no Okay.

Speaker 1:

Um, but yeah, this trend has been really fun to watch. We actually wanted to do this trend for you, live on the show, but we have such we have too good of a relationship to do that we like literally couldn't come up with anything yeah, we definitely like.

Speaker 2:

There's things that I do that annoy you for sure, like every married couple, yeah, and I think we do some of the things that, like some of these people talk about, but, like with each other's knowledge, like sometimes I just need a break because the kids are crazy that day, so I spend a little longer in the bathroom than normal.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like every man.

Speaker 2:

Just like scrolling on my phone.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

Or sometimes if you're going out with your friends, then I'm going to take that opportunity to order McDonald's.

Speaker 1:

For sure, or like.

Speaker 2:

I might even watch ahead some shows. There was a couple actually there's a couple of times where I watched ahead some shows and then you were kind of upset at me, so I didn't do that anymore.

Speaker 1:

What shows? I think it was.

Speaker 2:

House of Dragon. Maybe, Cause you weren't sure if you wanted to keep watching it after the first couple episodes of season two cause they were so intense, but I really wanted to see what happened, so I watched ahead and then I was like it's okay, You're going to like this episode.

Speaker 1:

Right, yeah, yeah, and I actually I'm glad that you did, because then you can give me like spoiler alerts or like trigger warnings. Yeah, that shows intense.

Speaker 2:

Are there other things that you've seen people talk about in this trend that you relate to?

Speaker 1:

Like kind of, but like nothing that that's like okay. So the reason why this trend is really hard for us is like there's two types of like versions of the trend. One is like when they confess things that they've done that were a secret, and then the other is like quirks and patterns that the other person do does and how they react to them, and like the quirks and patterns stuff like doesn't really like phase me. It just kind of like I've, we've been together for like almost 10 years, like I've accepted you for who you are.

Speaker 1:

Oh, thank you, and I don't care that much.

Speaker 2:

You know right, I was always stressed that because I know that I snore, I was always worried that the person I ended up with would have a really hard time with my snoring yeah, and as a perfect angel that doesn't move an inch when I sleep, then, like I actually have learned to love your snoring. Right.

Speaker 1:

No, I'm totally joking. I'm such a disruptive sleeper too, so it actually worked out great.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we've accepted each other for who we are. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

So, anyways, the reason why this trend doesn't apply to us is because I literally can't keep any secrets from you. Like I tell you things that you don't ask to hear. Like everything that kind of enters my brain comes out to you, so like I don't have like those like deep, dark secrets, and then for the pattern stuff we've just kind of like we don't care. And then you are so undramatic, like you don't like make things bigger than they are, like you wouldn't even think, like if something I do is like kind of annoying, you don't like make things bigger than they are, like you wouldn't even think, like if something I do is like kind of annoying, you don't like think about it. Or do you Like you think about it, but you don't like make it a thing?

Speaker 2:

Right. Yeah, it's annoying sometimes, like there's things that feel frustrating, but it's not always just the result of you doing a thing A or B. It's like also am I tired? Are the kids?

Speaker 1:

crazy.

Speaker 2:

Like, is work stressful? You know there's so many different dynamics so it's not like it's not that deep. Yeah, and you're kind of the same way.

Speaker 1:

Totally, yeah. What's the bigger picture? Yeah. One of my favorite things from the internet, though, is when, like, there's couples that are like we're on the same team same team, same team yeah, because that's more relatable to us like when life is crazy. Kids are crazy, work is crazy, the world is crazy.

Speaker 2:

Like we're on the same team yeah, but tell, tell our audience like one thing, that is really annoying, that I do just pick one. I don't know just pick one, just say it. I don't know we all know that you have a list Is there something like specific you want me to say. No, I just know that I'm not flawless, so there's got to be a couple of things.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, you're not flawless, but like I can't think of one on the spot.

Speaker 2:

Yes, you can, you're just afraid to say it.

Speaker 1:

I don't really know.

Speaker 2:

Wow.

Speaker 1:

You want me to say yeah, I do. It's not like that deep though.

Speaker 2:

You're prepping me, I can handle it. We listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 1:

So we are doing this. It's just like one.

Speaker 2:

Well, just tell me something that's annoying. It doesn't have to be like a secret.

Speaker 1:

Well, it's just like you're on your phone a lot, and it's often for fantasy football. Yeah, true, like a lot. And it's often for fantasy football yeah, like a lot yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's okay, yeah, and I feel like we don't really get to do like keep up with stuff on our phone that much during work because we're on like so many calls.

Speaker 1:

We listen and we don't judge. Now you.

Speaker 2:

First off, do you think I'm on my phone more than you?

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

I don't think so. Well, we? I think it's a classic trope. I feel like you see it all all the time on TikTok. It's like the they're both on their phone scrolling and then as soon as the girlfriend stops scrolling, she's like annoyed at the boyfriend that he's still on his phone.

Speaker 1:

I will say that we are for sure that, but we can just look at our screen time how do you even see that? I don't know you don't know I'm just looking up screen time what's your daily average?

Speaker 2:

six hours and 39 minutes what mine's eight hours?

Speaker 1:

hey, you heard it here first folks okay to be fair.

Speaker 2:

It says down 16 from last week.

Speaker 1:

Mine is down 40% from last week. Gotcha, I don't know how that's possible.

Speaker 2:

That's so lit. I love that. Oh my gosh. Okay, I needed that today.

Speaker 1:

You need to tell me what's one thing that bothers you about me.

Speaker 2:

I think you already know. I think the thing that bothers me is such a small thing, but it's that you leave a mess everywhere you go. So I don't really like cooking, but I'd prefer to cook because I clean up as I go. So then, like, if you're going to be the one cleaning up after I'm done, there's very little left to do. You might have to wash a pan, but if you're cooking, then it's kid. It looks like we just moved from another apartment into the kitchen and then someone spilled the flour.

Speaker 2:

So then I'm like I really have a big, a tall task, you know, or you come in from the car and it's like four bags and six pairs of shoes are in the in the walking path.

Speaker 1:

I am like the normal amount of messy when I'm juggling two kids by myself, like that's just so normal, like my.

Speaker 2:

We listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 1:

No, the way you pregnant is like so funny. She's like you know this. It's not a big deal at all, but you leave a mess everywhere you go.

Speaker 2:

I just almost spit up my coffee and I swallowed it.

Speaker 1:

Weird and my throat hurts like everywhere I go is like such a stretch not everywhere you go, but like in the walking path you make it sound like I leave a trail behind me of like stuff.

Speaker 2:

You leave a mess in the kitchen and the entryway.

Speaker 1:

That's not everywhere I go.

Speaker 2:

Primarily yeah. And it's not a mess and I love you all the same, and most days it's a joy to tidy up those areas.

Speaker 1:

I think you're just extremely tidy. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2:

So I'm moderate moderate, something that I inherited from my father. I'm moderate and you're extreme but here's the thing I will give you credit. We care about different things. You care that the house is like clean, like from like a like a using a cleaner and like germ free standpoint, which is important, especially when you got two young kids, but I care more about tidiness. So, like, visually is the space clear because I feel like how I feel mentally is a reflection of like the environment I'm in yeah so I can't relax until I think all that stuff is out of my sight and, in addition, I care about organization.

Speaker 1:

So if you're putting everything in a drawer, I won't stop thinking about what's the contents and what's the situation in that drawer. Yeah, and does everything in that drawer? Should it go in that drawer? Is that the home for everything in that drawer? And does everything have a home? That's what I think about. Right, but you're like, oh, it's in the drawer, it's fine. Which means same team, same team.

Speaker 2:

We're a great team, same team. So yeah, it's not a big deal, it's not that deep, but that's one that's. If I had to pick something, that's the thing I'm picking.

Speaker 1:

I'm okay with it. It could be worse. Yeah, totally. I want to unpack that today. No, yes. Well, with that, should we end it on a high note? Yes, before we sign off, I just want to say thank you to everyone on the big things team. That's oliver, that's morgan, that's drew, that's pamela everyone who's like behind the scenes helping us make this episode go live every week. Um, also alissa, who's in our writer's room. Um, I just like it. This is such a fun thing to do. Like this is probably the favorite part of my job. If I could do more of this, I would be so excited, and it's because of people who are watching. So thank you for listening, thank you for being here and supporting the show.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and you have a special episode to look forward to in January that many of those team members are contributing to. We're going to be releasing our 2025 trend report via Scan Club, but we're going to have a special big things episode with Morgan and Alyssa to unpack those new trends and how we're thinking about them, how they can influence your content or your campaign plans in a new year. So I think it's going to be fun. We're going to have to change up the set a little bit. We still have to figure out what that looks like, but plan for that middle to late January.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, thanks for listening and we'll see you in 2025.

Speaker 2:

Should I ring the last gong of 2024?

Speaker 1:

Do it Make it a good one.

Speaker 2:

All right, here we go. Three, two, one. Happy new year. Happy new year. Happy New Year. We came out of that one unscathed. What's that?