Lunatics Radio Hour

Episode 120 - Real Scary Stories 6

March 23, 2023 The Lunatics Project Season 1 Episode 149
Lunatics Radio Hour
Episode 120 - Real Scary Stories 6
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Abby and Alan present real unexplained stories submitted by our listeners.

Follow Marcus Hawke here. And Marc Sirinsky here. Final story by Erinn Bryant. 

Email filmsaboutlunatics@gmail.com to submit your short stories and paranormal experiences.

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Speaker 1:

Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Lunatics Radio Hour podcast. I'm Abby Brinker, sitting here with Alan Koan. Hello. And today we have, I believe, our sixth installment of our real scary story series. For You Real Scary Stories is when we read you back your stories, our listener submitted stories. There's ghost stories, just unexplained weird stories, paranormal experiences. It's one of my favorite series that we do. I'm super excited to get into it today.

Speaker 2:

You'd think five episodes would've been enough to tell all the stories of people experiencing things that aren't real. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but no, here we are with our sixth

Speaker 1:

Says The Skeptic.

Speaker 2:

I mean, yeah. I have, have we encountered one where I'm like, man, that's a ghost.

Speaker 1:

I think we've encountered stories where you're like, man, I don't know how to debunk that.

Speaker 2:

Mm. I guess that's a win.

Speaker 1:

So we'll see what we get today for you.

Speaker 2:

Okay. I mean, do we have a real spooky one?

Speaker 1:

We always have some spooky ones.

Speaker 2:

Can we start with like a real spooky one?

Speaker 1:

I think I'm gonna start with a u f O story.

Speaker 2:

Oh, geez.

Speaker 1:

Because it's short and sweet. It's right to the point. And UFOs lights in the skies. One of my favorite topics.

Speaker 2:

I would like to request a change to our format,

Speaker 1:

<laugh>. Oh, okay. Let's talk about it live on there.

Speaker 2:

I would like to just jump right into the stories without knowing who it's coming from.

Speaker 1:

Oh,

Speaker 2:

Sure. Okay. And then at the end, you can tell me

Speaker 1:

Okay. In case you know them personally.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. You know, that way I can just unabashedly be like, man, this is stupid. Uhhuh<affirmative> without feeling bad, because I'm like, oh, this person is such a good heart.

Speaker 1:

On that note, if you wanna submit your real paranormal experience so that I can gush over it and Alan could hypothetically rip it apart, please email us@filmslunaticsgmail.com or dms on any social platform, because we'd love to share your stories. All right. Let's get into the first one. I won't tell you who it's by. It is by a friend of the pod.

Speaker 2:

Okay. One

Speaker 1:

Late afternoon, I was walking home and it was the kind of day when it was still light out, but you could see the moon. So I just happened to look up at it like you do, and that's when I saw this object. Comparatively. If the moon were the size of a dime, this would've been a little more than the size of a head of a pin. It appeared to be white or very dull gray, about the same as the moon. The object zoomed toward it from a two o'clock position faster than I've ever seen something in the sky move. Then as it neared the moon, it slowed down, and once it got to maybe an inch away again, comparatively, it just stopped. I just stood and stared. But from where I was standing, I didn't have the best view because there were some trees just below. I moved the rest of the way up the hill that I was on until I reached the top. By the time I got there, it was gone. Weirdest thing I've ever seen. I'll let, I'll let you, uh, react Before I reveal the author,

Speaker 2:

How close did it get to the, the, the author?

Speaker 1:

So I actually asked the author this exact question and they said if I had to guess as high up as a plane, but there was no way to establish the scale for sure.

Speaker 2:

Hmm. So it basically moved around the sky and then stopped

Speaker 1:

Something much smaller than the moon. Yes.

Speaker 2:

White

Speaker 1:

And gray. Yes. Yes. Moved it, it seems like towards the moon,

Speaker 2:

Uhhuh<affirmative>

Speaker 1:

Stopped, like hovered completely stationary. Right. And then they kind of went up the hill to follow it and lost it.

Speaker 2:

Hmm. Sounds like a drone.

Speaker 1:

I should also say, I also asked when this happened mm-hmm.<affirmative>, and it was not recently. It was, you know, long ago in their lives. So I, I sort of got the impression that it was before drones were such a commonplace thing.

Speaker 2:

Okay. I mean, this does sound very suspiciously like drone activity.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. But this was, you know, hypothetically 15 years ago.

Speaker 2:

Sure. Well, 15 years ago,

Speaker 1:

20 years ago, 40 years ago, I don't

Speaker 2:

Know. 40 years ago.

Speaker 1:

Not recently.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

So, so, okay. So, okay, we'll say this, right? Could it have been a drone? Sure. Let's remove that. Let's say it couldn't have been a drone for whatever reason. Sure. What's your next, what's your next

Speaker 2:

Response? Remote controlled helicopter.

Speaker 1:

This is looks like a pin. It is, is hype up as a plane?

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Because isn't

Speaker 1:

A remote controlled helicopter a drone?

Speaker 2:

Very similar.

Speaker 1:

Okay. So let's move into a different category,

Speaker 2:

But they've been around for many decades.

Speaker 1:

Okay. What's your next,

Speaker 2:

The hovering is tricky.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Sounds like an alien to me.

Speaker 2:

I mean, there's the Harrier jet.

Speaker 1:

What's the Harrier jet?

Speaker 2:

Uh, the Harrier jet is a fighter jet that, that's like, you know, picture a fighter jet that has like the thrusters on the back. Sure. They can, I think they're mounted on the wings, but they can pivot down. So the jet is fully capable of just hovering mid-air, like a helicopter.

Speaker 1:

That's

Speaker 2:

Cool. It's very cool. I mean, yeah, that's just a very niche aircraft, I suppose. Yeah. It's, I mean, I don't know. I'm imagining it's a light in the sky that's moving around.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, but it, it's dull. I believe they described it as Sure. It wasn't like, oh, it's a star, you know? Right. Yeah. Or a plane, or it wasn't as illuminated as that. Oh, he also said it was the afternoon, remember it was daylight. This

Speaker 2:

Was in the day. Yeah. And there was the moon.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. You can see the moon in the

Speaker 2:

Day. That's impossible.

Speaker 1:

<laugh>. Uh, so we should be trusting you for all the debunking.

Speaker 2:

Okay. This being in the day is a Yeah. Okay. That's a little suspicious.

Speaker 1:

Oh, we got him. He's

Speaker 2:

Hooked. If it was any kind of like jet aircraft then well, you would see a trail or something in the sky

Speaker 1:

Chem trail.

Speaker 2:

The, the Kia chem trail. Yeah. Still up there. I'm still on board with like, some kind of drone or, or some small unmanned aircraft.

Speaker 1:

Okay. Well, or like a U f O,

Speaker 2:

I mean u yes. A u f O in the exact definition of A U F O. Right.

Speaker 1:

Not a alien,

Speaker 2:

Alien spaceship.

Speaker 1:

You don't, but you don't, it could be, you don't have any proof that it isn't, you have just as much proof that it's an unarmed fighter jet flown by any number of countries.

Speaker 2:

We didn't say anything about armaments.

Speaker 1:

I, I mean, unmanned, I mean, unmanned or something from a different planet. You have no proof either way.

Speaker 2:

Okay. Well, we have Occam's razor.

Speaker 1:

Okay. So it could be technology that we don't really have and that we don't outright flaunt or it could be from another planet,

Speaker 2:

Or it just, it sounds like a lot of things that exist and it's just one of those things<laugh>, you know.

Speaker 1:

All right. So you don't, you're not swayed by this to believe that it is anything other than standard US military drone action?

Speaker 2:

Uh, I don't think it's even military. I would say that this sounds civilian.

Speaker 1:

Okay. So that's your final stamp on it.

Speaker 2:

But that is me coming at it from a 2023 lens where everybody and his brother can operate a drone

Speaker 1:

Or a weather balloon.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. But you know, it's

Speaker 1:

The year of weather balloons.

Speaker 2:

Right? That's sure. Yeah. Uh, but that still like really ties back into drones<laugh>, because in order to operate a weather balloon, you still need some kind of remote controlled turine. Right. So otherwise it's, it's just at the mercy of wind and lift.

Speaker 1:

Sure. All right. So this story came to us by our friend of the pod Marcus Hawk, one of our favorite writers. You can visit marcus hawk.com. That's Hawk with an e at the end. And I'll, I'll link this in the description. His Instagram is Marcus Hawk or Hawk House. TikTok is hawk.talk

Speaker 2:

<laugh>. You like that, huh?

Speaker 1:

I do. I

Speaker 2:

Do like that. I like all the

Speaker 1:

Ox. I like all the Hawk S. Yeah. And again, Marcus is an incredible horror writer. We will tag him and everything that, so you can hunt down his work. But thank you so much to Marcus for sharing that story. Again, Alienoid stories, especially right now, are high on my list.

Speaker 2:

Okay. So I do really appreciate this format of not knowing the author.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

Because that makes me really unabashedly.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. You, you don't feel guilt for being

Speaker 2:

Rude. That's correct. Yeah. But now, I mean, now I feel it.

Speaker 1:

I just have to sit with the guilt of you being

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's fine. Skeptical. Um, now that we know we have a very credible author Yes.

Speaker 1:

Now

Speaker 2:

That, you know, what do you think it is

Speaker 1:

A u f o you think? I mean, the thing about Marcus is he's not claiming that it's anything. Right. He's not putting a label on it. He is just telling you what he saw,

Speaker 2:

Which was a unexplained unexplainable phenomenon in the sky.

Speaker 1:

A u p s.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. I mean, I'm still on team drone. Sounds like it. Maybe it was a seagull or something.<laugh>

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

Tough to say.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. One of those seagulls that just stops dead in the sky and doesn't move.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Because it hits the invisible ship.

Speaker 1:

It's kind of like the same sort of idea as like, Nope. Like, like something that, and I no spoilers, but something that can kind of fly around, but then like, be totally stationary.

Speaker 2:

See, I was thinking about Nope. And how that would spoilers. Oh

Speaker 1:

Boy. Skip

Speaker 2:

Ahead. Uh, so if the thing in the sky changed shape of any sort Yeah. Boy, would that be another story? But it didn't, it was just like, yeah. That

Speaker 1:

Would be a another

Speaker 2:

Story, a a thing that did a thing that's explainable.

Speaker 1:

Sure. But, but it's daylight I think is the interesting

Speaker 2:

Thing. Yeah. Who flies drones at night? I mean, people, A lot of people. A lot of people. Yeah. But, uh, especially way back when you don't, didn't do a lot of night flying

Speaker 1:

<laugh>. Ah,

Speaker 2:

All right. I don't know. I'm really making that up. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. You are. I don't, I have No, but you thing is, you didn't put cameras on, I guess you did. Did you have cameras back then? You had cameras?

Speaker 1:

We've had cameras for the last hundred years.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. But, um, actually was just reading about this today. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> in, I think it was 1992, maybe 94, neither. 92 or 94. Guess what? The Guinness Book of World Records. Smallest digital camera was

Speaker 1:

Like the actual make and model of the camera.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

In 1992. Yes. Well, what's that movie where they, they put a camera into like the, the American flag pin. It's a nineties movie.

Speaker 2:

Uh, whatever that was, that, that is not the answer. The answer. Okay. Is the Game Boy camera. Do you remember this device?

Speaker 1:

No,

Speaker 2:

It's actually sitting right behind you if you wanna look at

Speaker 1:

It. You have a Game boy camera. Yeah. What am I, an Oprah.

Speaker 2:

All right. Yeah, go ahead. Take a look.

Speaker 1:

<laugh> this, it's like a game cartridge with a GoPro slap to the top.

Speaker 2:

Yes. But it is significantly smaller than a GoPro. It's, I mean, it's like two-thirds the size of a ping pong ball.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's accurate. But is this whole thing the camera, not just the top orb?

Speaker 2:

The top orb is the lens and the photo sensor.

Speaker 1:

Why do you have this?

Speaker 2:

That was given to us by another friend of the pod, Pete from Long Island. He's really into vintage video game stuff. And he gave this to me as a gift while back.

Speaker 1:

Very cool.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, the little top orb is the camera is the lens and the sensor. Then you have like the, the circuit board where the game cartridge is,

Speaker 1:

And that's where it connects to the game board.

Speaker 2:

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. It just slots in, it just slots into the game boy. Uh, and I think it has enough memory for like 20 pictures or something. And then you can connect to the little game boy printer accessory<laugh> and you could print out your photos. That's

Speaker 1:

Cool.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Uh, but I mean, think about it. Think about like a digital camera. Like did you ha I, um, when you think of digital camera, you think of, you know, like 2005 ish, right? Or or early two

Speaker 1:

Thousands. Early,

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Not nineties, that's for sure.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2:

Like maybe in like 98. You had like the web cam or something? Yeah, that was like

Speaker 1:

Awful web. We had web tv.

Speaker 2:

Web tv. What was that?

Speaker 1:

It was like some kind of device that connected to our tv. So we could go on the web, but it was like, that's right. A keyboard through our tv.

Speaker 2:

Wow. I haven't thought about that in a while. Yeah. I have a memory of going to my grandparents' house and you could tune to a certain channel and it would just be like Windows 95. Uh, just like desktop,

Speaker 1:

Like the screensaver?

Speaker 2:

No, it was just like a desktop.

Speaker 1:

Huh.

Speaker 2:

And it wasn't always there. And like I was convinced that my grandparents had this whole web TV thing. Yeah. And my brother is like, no, that's not how that works. You can't, you need like a device that connects to your tv.

Speaker 1:

But what was the channel?

Speaker 2:

I think it was just somebody broadcasting their, somebody, some network broadcasting their desktop. Like they had like 10,000 cable stations. Right. Growing up we had antennas. Uh, we didn't even have cable tv. We just had the rabbit ears and the TVs. Yeah. And so like when we went over to my grandparents' house, they had so, so many stations. And this was before digital cable and everything. So like you're not getting like the 10,000 foreign language stations. Right. This, there was just so much garbage, including one that was clearly someone that was just broadcasting their desktop.

Speaker 1:

Funny, interesting. I wonder if they would play video. It was like the original Twitch. I don't know. They play the X-Files video game. Maybe stream it out.

Speaker 2:

Uh, but yeah, like that. That's my web TV story cuz I, I was like trying to find an extra mouse and keyboard because then I thought my grandparents could finally have a computer<laugh>. But my brothers like, yeah. That's just not how that works.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Very wise. Are you up for the next scary story?

Speaker 2:

Yeah. We'll get, let's get back on track

Speaker 1:

Here. Let's get back on track. So as requested, I will reveal the identity of the writer at the end of the story or after you have your chance to comment. Okay. I grew up in Evanston, Illinois, a college town that butts up against the north side of Chicago. It's eastern Edge is flanked by Lake Michigan and the western portion is marked by L Tracks and a sanitary canal downtown features the campus of Northwestern University. An area which is quite developed now, but was a bit sleepier when I was a kid. My premi school years were spent in an apartment building on the southeast side of town. Just a couple of blocks from the beach where my friends and I would get up to shenanigans and family would congregate to watch fireworks on the 4th of July. The apartment was strategically situated across the alley from a park where all the neighborhood kids would play and have water fights. Using our kitchen as a filling station inside our home life was quite difficult, but outside of it, the neighborhood was pretty much all a kid could ask for. My best friend Dan lived about three blocks away. Our parents introduced us in strollers when we were six months old and we went to school together from preschool through college. We've since lost touch, but many memories of those formative years involved. The two of us going up to door country, Wisconsin to his parents', summer home to fish, kayak, and ride horses. Grabbing stuffed pizza at Carmen's or scarfing down wings at Buffalo Joe's and riding bikes. It felt like we were always riding our bikes someplace. The day started out like many others, it was a weekend and Dan and I decided it was a good day to ride to this one area of town that had an ice cream shop candy store. And most importantly, rent a record. Though I actually never saw anyone rent anything from there. I don't remember a ton about the place, except that it was the closest spot to buy music and was bathed in yellow golden walls. The plan was to grab a sugar boost at either Perry Drugs or JD Mills. A spot where you could buy gummy coke bottles and chocolate covered things by the pound and then head over to check out some music. Our stomachs filled with candy and our pockets stuffed with the leftovers. We locked up our bikes, walked to rent a record, and had a look around. The store was mostly empty. Save for a couple of 20 somethings behind the counter and one woman wearing a red scarf around her head and dressed in a bright colored blouse. As we made our way around the shop, she engaged us in conversation. Dan was the shire of the two of us, so I took a half step forward. Hi there. She said hello. I replied a little confused. This town was friendly but not talked to random strangers friendly. What are you guys up to today? She asked. Smiling. Not much. I replied thinking it was pretty obvious what we were up to. My name is Judy. What's yours? I remember this part clearly because my mom's name was Judy, spelled with an I and I thought it was an odd coincidence. She also appeared to me about my mom's age. Rob, I replied solely. Taking a step back. Dan's still behind me. At least that's what I think I said. It was definitely a made up name because my stranger danger senses were majorly going off at this point. You have to remember that in the mid 1980s, this concept was hammered into every kid. Part of it was because many of us were left to our own devices during the day, especially on weekends. So parents drilled these things into our brains to soothe their collective conscious. Plus, we were in the Chicago area, Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, the Tylenol murders, all of those happened not far from us. Do you two like ice cream? She asked gently. Almost like she was talking to children younger than we were. I didn't say anything and I didn't turn to look at Dan because something in me was worried about whatever look was on his face. He didn't say anything either because we can go get ice cream together if you want. My car is right out front. It would be fun. Why don't you two join me? You can just leave your bikes parked outside. We won't be long. No thanks. I replied nervously. I then made a decision that I partially regret and that I stopped being a good friend and began only looking out for myself. I'm not proud of it, but I was enacting the plan. My parents had rehearsed with me countless times. In short, I took off, I ran out of the store and unlocked my bike as fast as I could, praying that this woman wasn't behind me, possibly inches from grabbing me and throwing me into her car. I hopped on my bike and started to pedal behind me. I heard Mark, wait, wait. But it was too late. Dan's voice began to get quieter and quieter as I flew towards my house. I didn't wait for him, didn't call back to him, didn't check up on him. I just rode. And when I got home, I ran inside as fast as I could. My mom and I had a very troubled relationship. But when I told my mom what had happened, I remember thinking that she was awfully calm for something that she had warned me about for years actually coming to fruition. It was almost as though she didn't believe me, which even from her felt like an enormous betrayal. Dan and I talked on the phone later in the day and he asked me if I actually thought the worst could have happened. I don't know. I said, but I didn't want to wait around and find out after that day. I don't believe the incident was ever spoken of again, not in our house, not between Dan and I. And as far as I know, not even between our two mothers, despite the fact that they were also friends during this time. But even now, I remember that face, a smiling, warm face, possibly masking something sinister. Something that you could read about in newspapers or see on tv but never think will happen to you or your friend. I wonder if Dan thinks about that day still, or if I'm the only one who wonders what might have happened had we not been prepared. How do we not just eat in candy and instead let those warning signs be drowned out by the promise of ice cream cones on a hot Midwestern summer day?

Speaker 2:

I mean, not too much to be skeptical about here. This

Speaker 1:

I I was so eager for that. For you,

Speaker 2:

This is just like, this is a story about just someone being a creep to kids. Yeah. Really glad that all of like the stranger danger and all that conditioning finally paid off. Cuz so much of it just ends up being needless worry. Yeah. But every so often Yeah. You get these weirdos that go talk to kids and then bad things happen. So I'm assuming that this author is named Mark because they called after Mark. Yeah. Good, good on that person and what yeah, what a, what a feeling to not have your parent validate your feelings when you're doing exactly what was drilled into you.

Speaker 1:

I sort of, what I took that as, and I don't know, I mean, I don't know anything about this woman<laugh> or her, her parenting, but I almost take it as like someone being so calm and it not coming up was because the realization of like, yeah, that's what would've happened if, if they had gone with this woman. Like, I almost just lost my son today.

Speaker 2:

Or you know, it could have been the mother didn't understand the gravitas of the situation. Yeah. Of it's like, Hey, someone offered us ice cream. Okay, good honey, because I he seems pretty young when he was in the situation. Yeah, totally. You know, perhaps the way that he explained it to his mother was not, didn't properly convey how he felt at the time. And you know, he said they never, that moment never got spoken of again. This wasn't something that they circled back to, you know, years later when he is like, Hey, just so you know, I felt like I was about to get abducted and then, you know, the mother could be like, really? I thought you were just saying that someone offered you ice cream

Speaker 1:

<laugh>. Did you, I mean, I think in, in a household where a mother or a parent is so, like he said, drilling into you about the stranger danger, especially in like the satanic panic and all the stuff that was happening at that time, I think the mother probably understood. But have you ever had a situation like that when you were a kid? Like did you have any near encounters?

Speaker 2:

Not as a kid. Yeah. All my abduction stories happened later in life.

Speaker 1:

You were abducted later in

Speaker 2:

Life. No. But when there were dicey situations of like, kidnapping

Speaker 1:

That you were involved in?

Speaker 2:

Uh, yeah.<laugh> what? Um, another time. Oh

Speaker 1:

Boy.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, as a kid, the only thing that's like coming to mind again, it's, it's, I grew up in a very small town where everything was boring all the time. Where there, you know, there was very, very little crime, let alone the type of like sweeping hysteria of like serial killers, abducting kids. So I remember after the, like the first big school shooting that we had to go through all these like trainings about if you see someone in this school who looks suspicious, you need to, you need to follow all this protocol. I remember one of my class, like someone was like, came into our classroom as like an assistant or something. It was something that did not seem suspicious at all, but we had color coded badges and someone in the class noticed that they were wearing the wrong color badge for that day,<laugh>. And they casually ex excuse themselves from the classroom and they come back with like the principle and security and like, just like, you know, they just like basically drop the hammer on this person.<laugh>. That's funny. Um, and it's like, yeah, they just got, it was where they were given like the wrong color badge or something.

Speaker 1:

That reminds me of, there's a story where when I was, I don't know, really young, like bef pre third grade, I saw a car go by our house and the, I thought I, the, the we, our house was like a hundred yards from a hundred feet from the road. It was not

Speaker 2:

Close. No. Cuz it was the oldest dairy farm in the

Speaker 1:

Country. That's right. And I thought that I could see this girl in the front seat, a kid not wearing a seatbelt. And I literally took a full page of notes and left my mom a voicemail at work about this kidnapping that I assumed happened because she looked upset and I took the plates of the car. I took like what I assumed her height was like every kind of information that I could write down mm-hmm.<affirmative>. That was like my mindset as a kid. Detective

Speaker 2:

Watch. Because that's the thing, we had this ingrained in us that everyone is out to get us. Yeah. Uh, we have to be hyper-vigilant at all times. And it ended up being this security culture in super safe suburbia that mostly caused problems.

Speaker 1:

Well, yes and no because if you look at this story, then it saved lives.

Speaker 2:

This is why these rules were put into place and Yeah. If we have to go through a little bit of hysteria to keep some really horrific things from happening Sure, yeah. Let's do it. Yeah. But when you go, you know, decades in a small town treating everybody like they're out to get you when nothing at all happens. Like, that's exhausting.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, totally. So this story came from our friend Mark Senensky who, Alan, you asked the question earlier, if any of the stories that we've read on this series had kind of passed your test and Mark's story may be one of the few that you had a really positive reaction to.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm on team Mark<laugh>. He, he just, he tells it like it is aren't we? Are? No, no, no. Absolutely not. No. So much fluff around here. Everyone's talking about, you know, spaceships and werewolves and all this stuff.

Speaker 1:

It sounds literally like the stories that

Speaker 2:

You write. Yeah. I did literally write werewolves in space. Yeah. Um, but that's, that's, I wasn't claiming that was a real scary story.

Speaker 1:

I think about this often, especially lately when it comes to the paranormal, this sort of chicken or the egg situation of have I had more paranormal experiences because I'm more open to them and receptive and less paying attention. Do you have less because you are less open to them? You know, and how does that all factor in and play out? And is it that you're shutting them out or, or is it that you're just like changing the fabric of what's happening around you because you aren't open to to those sorts of things?

Speaker 2:

I think people will always see what they want to see. Not always, but very, the vast majority of the time, think about how you can throw cold hard facts at a certain group of people and it is met with nothing but talking points that dispute this that they hear on Fox News.

Speaker 1:

I was on a 400 person zoom call last night with a medium and he said something that I think<laugh>

Speaker 2:

Really, I'm sorry, can we circle back? You were what?

Speaker 1:

That's all, that's the amount of information that I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 2:

Were on a 400 person zoom call

Speaker 1:

With a medium,

Speaker 2:

A single medium,

Speaker 1:

A famous medium.

Speaker 2:

Was it? Yes. Who was it? Was it

Speaker 1:

[inaudible] I'm not gonna say who it was, but

Speaker 2:

Is he a medium? He's a medium, right? Yes. Okay. But are there more, there more famous ones. There's only one.

Speaker 1:

There's multiple famous mediums. But anyway, the point is that he said something really funny that someone had asked the question, what happens to non-believers when they die? And he said, it's like the best surprise party ever. And I hope that for all of us, I hope that after this you spend your life being grumpy and close-minded and you go through life not living in this fun world that I live in where there's all these other things that exist and then when you die you realize that you were wrong and that I was right. And it's a really fun surprise party for both of us.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. A real fun surprise party as we're burning in hell because we didn't repent and accept the proper Lord and Savior.

Speaker 1:

That's<laugh> obviously not what we're talking about.

Speaker 2:

But if that's just, you know, that's just like your opinion man. You know, like

Speaker 1:

Yeah. But that is very easily traced back to political and other like there's like, you can really get into that.

Speaker 2:

Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 1:

I, what I would love, let's get into it, whatever this episode was. What I<laugh> I think it's important to be skeptical, right? It's not blindly believe every paranormal experience that you see or have.

Speaker 2:

Great.

Speaker 1:

I also think it's important to be open-minded enough to not believe that we know everything about the world. Cuz of course we don't.

Speaker 2:

Of course not. Um, and I think, but there's a very fine line between looking at something that can be explained without the paranormal versus looking at something and be like, well, it could also be explained by the paranormal, so let's go with that. You know, it's like we Right. We're we're, we're looking at the same line. We're just standing on different sides of it. It's not like there was a 70 foot tall moth man walking around the city. And it's like, you know what? I betcha that was just a, a big hoax.

Speaker 1:

Okay. But I, I think that there's a difference between someone like me who believes in the possibility of an afterlife or some sort of like spiritual continuation or spirit continuation versus, you know, nine rings of hell in this whole like, hierarchy of angels and demon. Like, like to me, I think one of those things is more likely than the other. Even if you're just looking at the scientific evidence that we have. And I also think, and I I'm not trying to discredit anybody's religion here. I'm just talking about my own personal beliefs, but I also think that there's, we know, right? We know for a fact that we can only see and process whatever small percentage of what's actually happening around us. Sure. Like that's scientific fact. That is fact. So knowing that can, can you understand the concept that some things could happen? That we don't have the terminology or the understanding of the universe enough to even process. So we put Yeah. We say it's a u f O, we say it's this we, because those are terms that we understand. It's a ghost. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, it's this, but this kind of brings us back to the moth man stuff that you were just talking about, but like the idea of explaining physics to a cockroach. Sure. I don't think we know enough about the world. We are the cockroaches. Like we don't know enough and all we have are the, the terms that we have. But, but do I think that there's a lot more happening out there than we have the perception of Yes. Absolutely. All right. I think we'd be silly to not think that.

Speaker 2:

No, I'm, I'm, I, I I agree. I'm,

Speaker 1:

And I also think that living in a world where I believe there's possibilities of things is way more fun than living in a world that I think is really limited and closed.

Speaker 2:

Ah, being a naysayer is exhausting.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. You must need to sleep

Speaker 2:

Today. All the time. It's exhausting.<laugh>.

Speaker 1:

Well, we have one final story that I am extra excited for. Okay. This comes to us. Well, I won't tell you

Speaker 2:

Who this came to us.

Speaker 1:

This came to us first time sharer on the pod, and there's some beautiful photos that came with this post that I'm going to hopefully get permission to share on social media so that there's some visual references that can go along with what I'm saying. The haunting of Agnes Avenue. My husband and I were driving back from Austin after we visited my best friend. I saw a beautiful Victorian home driving down I 35 back towards home. I leaned over to my husband and said, wouldn't it be cool to own an old Victorian home? He nodded and agreed. I had always wanted to have a bed and breakfast because I was bored. I started looking on my phone at Homes for sale over the next 30 minutes and came across a website with Victorian Homes for Sale. Hey, let's take a little detour. I told my husband, let's head to this town called Marlon, Texas. It's only about 20 minutes off the highway. Are we really doing this? He responded, and I nodded my head. I called the realtor listed, and amazingly she was able to show us the home We arrived in the small town of Marlin, which we would later learn, had a very interesting history. We turned down Agnes Avenue and we're in awe of the three story White Queen Anne Victorian home directly to our right. But that wasn't the home we were coming to see, and we could tell it needed more work than we were willing to put in the house. Next to it was a beautiful, well restored yellow Victorian home built in 1930. It had a wraparound porch in beautiful gables. We pulled into the driveway and got out to meet the realtor broom by room. We were amazed by the architecture and instantly fell in love. Within the week we put in an offer and it was accepted. The former owner even sold us all the furniture. She had so wonderfully furnished it with the first night, we all stayed in the same room as there was only a bed in the master. We made a pallet on the floor for our daughter who was five years old at the time. It was strange being in a home, this old with all the unique smells and creaking floorboards. The master had two glass doors that opened into the dining room and looked out into the kitchen. Houses during this time had a different flow and lots of doors to be more specific for exit doors going outside. We figured it was to let a good breeze through the home before air conditioning. Every time we slept in the home, I would always wake up in the middle of the night and stare through the dining room to the kitchen that was very dark beyond. It was like someone was watching me, but there was no one there and no movement. My father died when I was very young and I had felt what seemed like his presence before, but this was nothing like it. It was a different feeling. The first night we were there, I shook it off. The next day we explored the attic. We were surprised to find a chimney in the attic. We called the realtor and she told us that they used to burn coal back in the day, and that the rest of the chimney was walled up right there in one of the kitchen walls. We also found a doll head in a beautiful hutch in the kitchen. It had a little note that said it had been found under the house, which was pure and beam, and had been discovered during the foundation being fixed. The note specifically said that it should stay with the house. A little creepy with some of the possessed doll movies out, but still kind of cool to us. Our first weekend was busy with getting my daughter a bed and setting up her room. Her room would have the only tv. We wanted to do things the old fashioned way here and have family time minus electronics. The TV had a VHS tape player built in. My aunt gave us a vintage doll house that my daughter played with in her room all weekend. But soon it came time to go back to our home in Arlington. As we drove away from the house. My four-year-old said, mommy, when will we be going back? I wanna see the nice lady again. What nice lady? The realtor I asked, no mommy. The one that watched me play with the dolls. She told me. Innocently chills went up and down my arms. My husband glanced at me quickly and I knew he wondered the same. What had she seen in the old house that we couldn't see? We went back once a month and quickly forgot about the incident. I was very excited to take pictures and learned more about the history of the home in town. I learned that the hotel in the middle of Marlon was one of the original Hilton hotels. I found out that in 1929, Conrad Hilton built his eighth Hilton hotel in Marlon to serve the many visitors frequenting the Marlon Sanitarium Bathhouse. In 1893, aha Artisan Spring was discovered and Marlon became known for its curative waters. I also learned about the family that had lived in our house for years and met the grandson that lived down the street. He had told us a very interesting story. The room where my daughter stays used to be the actual dining room. It has a swinging door that leads directly to the kitchen. So we figured it out. His aunt used to live in the house and was very nice on the day of a parade, she was all gussied up with a feather boa. When she fell asleep in the dining room table, never to wake again. That's when things started to click. I was shocked. Had my daughter had to visit from this woman. I still wasn't sure as my husband and I had not had any experiences of our own. Then one night we decided to put our daughter in the main bedroom to sleep so we could watch a VHS tape of space balls. While we were sitting on the bed, I heard the back door swing open and bang against the swinging door. Leading to my daughter's room where we now sat. Being from the city locking doors and security are very important. My husband jumped up and ran into the kitchen. I yelled at him to run and check on our daughter. I was so scared. An intruder had broken into the house. While the town wasn't very big, it did have high crime for thievery and break-ins, so it would not have been unheard of. My husband ran to the main bedroom where our daughter was still sleeping. He checked the whole house and found nothing. He even walked to the back of the property and around the house demotion lights had not come on, which would have told us if someone was in the yard. I had locked the doors myself that night. So the fact that the door flew open was impossible, even for an old creaky home. I need to tell you something. My husband said when my best friend and I stayed in the house a month ago when we stopped here before camping on the Brazos River, something happened to him. My eyes were wide knowing something creepy was coming. My friend was using the bathroom, the one next to my daughter's room with a door that sticks badly in his heart to open. I was outside and he came running out asking if I had played a joke on him. I told him no and asked what was going on. He told me he was using the bathroom when the door flew open very quickly and hard, he was so petrified and set off by the fact that it wasn't me pranking him, that he ended up sleeping on the floor in the main room that night with me because he was so freaked out. Holy crap. So that makes three experiences between my daughter, his friend, and now us. I confirmed he nodded. When we went to bed, I did not sleep well that night. I kept waking up and looking through the dining room into the dark, dark kitchen. I told my husband that I probably was the old woman that died in our house. Nothing more. I didn't wanna give it any power and hoped that it was a non-malicious being. The next day I was outside taking photos of the Queen Anne house next door and really wanted to explore the property. The grass had grown tall, even though a couple from Austin had bought it. I literally was falling apart from neglect. I started by taking photos with my digital camera, which was better than my phone from the front of the home. I like to put it in sepia mode to capture the house in an old timey photo way. The paint on the white railing of the porch was peeling and falling off the porch swing was sitting on one side of the porch where the chain had broken. When I moved to take a photo of the window on the second floor, the side that faces our yellow Victorian, I paused at a movement of the old white curtain. Maybe a draft in the house had moved it. I went to take a photo and my camera did the strangest thing. It said battery dead and turned off. I knew this was impossible. As I had just charged it, I turned it back on. It came on and I took a picture of our home. Then I turned back to the second story window, next door. An eerie feeling came over me like a whisper on your neck that causes all the little hairs to stand up. I aimed the camera for a second photo and again, the camera shut off. I felt very uneasy at this point and decided to walk back home. Later in the day after my husband finished painting the back porch and playing baseball with our daughter, we went to the back of the Queen Anne to do some more exploring. There was a cottage behind the home that had two sides to it, both with its own front door entrance. However, where the doors would've been was now a gaping hole. The cottage may have been grand in its day, but now was a disaster and probably a squatter's home. We went into the left side first. It was a small room full of light, nothing of significance, maybe a servants quarters. With the house being late 18 hundreds, early 19 hundreds. It's very possible that this three story beauty had its own maid in Butler. Then we walked through the tall grass praying that there was no snakes like our neighbor had warned us of only the day before, and walked into the other side of the cottage. It was dark, dreary and had an overwhelming creep factor about it. We looked into the closet and there were shackles and chains attached to the wall. Something is very wrong here. I told my husband as I rubbed the goosebumps on my arms, my daughter even asked to leave my husband and I quickly grabbed her and we did. I will never forget that eerie feeling of being in that cottage where we think something very, very bad happened with the town having a sanitarium. Was it possible a family member could have been shackled there? We would never know the truth. Oddly, the zip code in this city is 76, 6 61. If you're a religious person, then you know what the 66 6 stands for. I'm just saying after seven years of loving the house and having those few experiences, we sadly decided to sell it during 2020. I put my dreams of having a bed and breakfast on hold as family needs and work took up too much time to even consider managing one. Plus, the town seemed to have too much bad luck. Offers were made to the hotel and the veterans hospital that could have revitalized the town, but they fell through hgtv, came and looked at the queen and home, but decided not to put it on fixed or upper with covid. And the loss of all of these things not taking off the town was no longer an ideal place for our bed and breakfast. We left the new owner with the doll head and a note saying, this doll head belongs in this house. We didn't wanna bring anything ghostly from the house back to our home in Arlington, even though we ain't afraid of no ghosts.

Speaker 2:

Okay. I mean this, there was a lot that happened in this story lot, lot of twists and turns. Uh, the f the first thing that really piqued my interest though was when the little girl said a comment about the woman that was watching her. I was really hoping, cuz they, they found the woman who it might be the ghost of that woman, right? Yep. Because they talked to the neighbor. It was an old family relative, right? Yep. I really wished that they'd gotten a photograph of that person and then just like, basically done a lineup with like a bunch of dummy photos of old-timey, you know, well red herrings I guess. And then just put'em on a table and see if the daughter could pick her out of a lineup. Yeah. Because if she could hold, that's a good idea. Holy cow. Talk about some validation.

Speaker 1:

My friend's daughter right now who's very young lately has been talking about people in this kind of way. Like people that aren't there, or noises or, or people being in corners of rooms walking down hallways with her and they don't have a sense of who those people could be if, if they were real. But that's an interesting idea. If they find out maybe some history.

Speaker 2:

Well, that's the thing. Like, you know, kids have really unbridled imaginations. It is so easy to concoct de grand's, not hallucination, fantasy, whatever you wanna call it, daydream, you know, but there's always a chance that there is some validity to something. And so by having indisputable proof by having a photograph of that person mixed in with a big lineup, I mean sure, not indisputable, cuz there's always that, you know, one in six chance I guess that they picket arbitrarily. Right? But if that is the person that died in that home and your young daughter is saying, this is the one that's seeing me without every, without any context, you know, to like tip her off that she should be picking this thing. Like, I don't know. That's, that's kind of spooky.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I mean, I also think that there's probably an age where kids have seen enough media that they know how to pretend that something is haunted.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely.

Speaker 1:

Or, or in their brain they're like, oh, I'm, I'm scared of this now because I've seen horror movies or scary things. But I also wonder what that age is, you know, if you're talking about a two or three year old, if, if them having that kind of experience feels more valid because it's before they've been immersed in that like horror culture. I don't know. I'm just throwing things out into the universe. Hmm. I sent much of my childhood being afraid and there was a definitive shift between memories I have of things, you know, happening Sure. Versus being afraid of, of scary. Like, like the X-files.

Speaker 2:

Right. You know? Right. And then there's that gray area of you don't even know whether it's real or fake.

Speaker 1:

Well, as an adult, I think I can look back soberly,

Speaker 2:

Uh, your tentacle story.<laugh>.

Speaker 1:

Well obviously that was fake. Obviously that didn't happen, but I have a memory of it and as an adult I can admit that clearly it didn't happen.

Speaker 2:

But that is irrational mind saying, I have a memory of this happening for sure, but there's no way that it could have happened. So it must have been fake. Right. So like that, where does that fall?

Speaker 1:

Or, or it must have been fake or unexplainable, right? It could be in somewhere in between. You're right. It could be a gray area, but I don't have, I don't have a rational, logical, earthly explanation for it. There was clearly not an octopus in the attic.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Clearly. Um, all of the other things though, nothing got me about like, wow, a hundred percent supernatural. Like doors flying open. That's a little unsettling, but stuff happens. Right.

Speaker 1:

But there's a difference between like, okay, a door creeks open and, and I'm not, I'm not saying it's a ghost, but I'm saying there's a difference between, okay, you're in an old creaky house, which I lived in things, creek things shift. The walls aren't totally even right sometimes. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So like, yeah, you, even if you think you lock a door sometimes the door can can open. There's a difference between that and a door violently being thrown open.

Speaker 2:

All I know is every time someone has come to me and be like, yeah, the, the, there's some movement in the house of things that are not supposed to be moving. If you investigate it thoroughly enough. Granted this has not happened to me many times, Uhhuh<affirmative>. But if you investigate it thoroughly enough, you can find what's going on. And it's usually a very mundane explanation.

Speaker 1:

Maybe,

Speaker 2:

You know,

Speaker 1:

If that door always flung, open violently, then maybe, but it doesn't sound like that's the case.

Speaker 2:

I mean, yeah. You

Speaker 1:

Like sure. Houses have ticks, so if you step on this sixth floor board for some reason it tickles the house. You know, whatever. Like,

Speaker 2:

Oh, the ticks. I'm like, geez, Lyme disease,<laugh>. No. Um,

Speaker 1:

But you know what

Speaker 2:

I what I mean? Yeah, no, I gotcha. Yeah, exactly. If you're in a quiet house, nothing is happening and all of a sudden bam. Like yeah, that's, it's unsettling. Yeah. But I'm not gonna say it's supernatural. Uh,

Speaker 1:

Well, no one's asking you to.

Speaker 2:

No. Sure. Uh, same thing with like the shackles on the wall.

Speaker 1:

I have a similar story to that as well. Okay. Which we'll get into another time. But, but it, it was, that was one of the things that really drew me into this story because I have a very similar story and I just think it's so bizarre. And that to me is that is like clearly a remnant of something terrible that happened here. Like regardless of the intention, regardless of why there's shackles on the wall,<laugh>, it's, it's not going to be a good human positive situation that someone endured something terrible here. And regardless of that, that whether it's the manifestation of just like bad energy versus a haunting, it's just not gonna be good.

Speaker 2:

I don't know. There's like, uh, so up in my hometown, like there's a lot of very old buildings mm-hmm.<affirmative> and, you know, some of these are pretty much untouched cuz they got, you know, repurposed for industrial stuff, but they have like sections of it that are just not, not used. Right. And there's like a lot of creepy stuff in, uh, like, I'm, I'm thinking of this, this one building where it has like a old, because it used to be an old factory and this, there's this whole area that was like walled off. So like, of course it's pretty untouched and back there was like all this really creepy. Right. Uh, that it makes it seem like this area is straight out of like one of the saw movies.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

First off, you're already freaking yourself out. You're looking for nefarious intent when this can be so easily explained by bored teenagers in the fifties. Right. Uh, I

Speaker 1:

Don't know if I'm following

Speaker 2:

Where it's just like, I'm gonna set up this spooky thing and just leave it. Cuz it's funny. What's,

Speaker 1:

What spooky thing did they set up?

Speaker 2:

Uh, just like, you know, it's like satanic graffiti with like weird stains. Places.

Speaker 1:

You think teenagers in the fifties were doing that?

Speaker 2:

50, uh, uh, f fifties was a bad example. Like there's, there's graffiti all over the building Sure. And like, people write the date and so Yeah. Stuff goes back to like, maybe like 62 I think is the oldest that I noticed.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I mean, graffiti is, you know, that's the nature of graffiti. Yeah. You can go into any abandoned old building and there's people write, you know, creepy graffiti on the walls. Yes.

Speaker 2:

It's cre Yeah. So you have this like satanic graffiti with like, what could be blood stains and, you know, uh, chains and a pail on the floor. Like, okay, cool. Like, yeah, it's spooky, but it's also funny.

Speaker 1:

I think that's different because these houses are privately owned and the, the situation that I had, again, we, we really had to like, I sh I say we, I wasn't there this, but the situation with the chains I think is being drilled into walls. Like, it's not like throwing some chains onto the ground. Th these are like in the house that I'm referring to too. It was like sets of chains, like across the whole basement that were soldered into the walls. Like that's not a prank

Speaker 2:

Soldered.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Like, or whatever, you know, drill, like

Speaker 2:

Probably bolt a

Speaker 1:

Chain bolted Yeah. Into brick, you know,

Speaker 2:

Masonry nails. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

That was not, that's not some teenagers setting that up.

Speaker 2:

Ah, you really underestimate teenagers. But I don't know if I had the opportunity to make a spooky thing for future generations to find, I would absolutely do it. Cuz I would find that hilarious.

Speaker 1:

You're the problem.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. I, I fully admit that, but I am certainly not the first.

Speaker 1:

Okay. Well it's been really fun talking to you about all of this as always.

Speaker 2:

Uhhuh<affirmative>. So this who Yeah. Where's the story come from?

Speaker 1:

This story comes to us from Erin Bryant, who very, very graciously reached out, sent this again, sent some beautiful photos of these houses that she's talking about. Hopefully I'll be able to share those for everybody. We're, I'm, I'm so grateful for Erin. I thought this, all of the stories today were super well written and I loved the, the diversity. We had a classic ghost story, classic U f o, light in the sky sighting, and then probably the scariest of the mall. Like a real terrifying human interaction. Yeah. Which is really the monster at the core of everything. Sure.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1:

You know, like UFOs, ghosts, those things could be scary because they're unknown, but when you're talking about human monsters, that's the worst of the worst.

Speaker 2:

Um, I do wanna clarify that. I really enjoyed this last story and because honestly it fit very well with the others and that nothing seemed dolled up. Yeah. All these seemed very, like this was my experience and I love that. Like I, I, I want to have some kind of experience.

Speaker 1:

I want that for you so badly. More than I want anything else.

Speaker 2:

You have very interesting priorities.

Speaker 1:

I might pay a private medium a lot of money to try to break you.

Speaker 2:

Please do not.

Speaker 1:

I might

Speaker 2:

Don't do it. They're all fakes.

Speaker 1:

Well not if they can break you.

Speaker 2:

Okay. You think that person who is on a zoom call with 400 people was the real deal?

Speaker 1:

Yes, I do. I personally do.

Speaker 2:

Okay. And over zoom they made a psychic connection with you?

Speaker 1:

Not with me. Okay.

Speaker 2:

No, actually I'm sorry. I'm really not going to dispute psycho connections over zoom.

Speaker 1:

Great.

Speaker 2:

As phony as it sounds, Uhhuh<affirmative>, I have firsthand experience with someone making a psycho connection over zoom to excellent results.

Speaker 1:

Are you talking about our experiences with Charlotte?

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

<laugh>. So our friend Charlotte, we will shout out and leave a link to her services below. But our friend Charlotte, who does readings for mediumship and psychic readings for pets and animals, an animal communicator, she gave us a life-changing reading for our cat James. That actually really changed the dynamic in our household quite significantly. So,

Speaker 2:

I mean, on paper I think this is very silly. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, however I cannot argue with results. That's right. By implementing the changes that she suggested based off her second interactions with James. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> are so stupidly spot on<laugh> that my complete, my relationship with the cat has completely changed

Speaker 1:

For the wedding. And honestly then the relationship between us has become better. Yeah. So we're, we're very, very, very grateful for Charlotte. But, but it's, it's exactly the same sort of thing.

Speaker 2:

No, it is

Speaker 1:

Not. If you came, I wish you would be more open to coming because I,

Speaker 2:

This is charlatan.

Speaker 1:

I really disagree. I really do. And, and I, I don't want to talk about this publicly, but I really do, and I really have, I believe experiences that even as an observer in this space, in person, I've seen him multiple times in person. This

Speaker 2:

Is[inaudible] wasn't it?

Speaker 1:

I'm not going to say who it was

Speaker 2:

[inaudible] It's a hundred

Speaker 1:

Percent. But that just being an observer and hearing people's reaction and hearing people's reaction after the fact that it's powerful. And I'll say this, nobody leaves that feeling upset or agitated. I would, and, and I do think people, I admit that people go looking for people who are maybe desperate for connections with loved ones who are taken too soon or tragically, and they go looking for that validation because they're grieving. And I understand the complexities of that, right? Sure. They look at the Civil War. After the Civil War, the spiritualism movement in the US skyrocketed because people were looking for ways to connect with people that they had tragically lost. I can very clearly logically see the connection, but

Speaker 2:

Look at, look at the vipers that chase after people that lose their kids.

Speaker 1:

But I will say this, nobody leaves one of these events feeling worse. People who have readings all leave feeling validated and like they, they have connected with these loved ones that they really, really miss. And the intimate personal details, like I've seen this person read rooms of thousands of people. He reads, you know, 20, 30 different groups with such intimate details and sometimes they don't even know, and they figured out at the end like, oh, that's what this is talking about. And he'll fight with them on it. And I just wish that you would be open enough to go and observe

Speaker 2:

Okay. With a pool of people that big.

Speaker 1:

But he's not, not being vague.

Speaker 2:

No, he's

Speaker 1:

Not. He's going, Hey, guy in the green beanie is your grandfather named Walter?

Speaker 2:

Hey, guy in the green beanie, who is our paid actor,

Speaker 1:

Alan,

Speaker 2:

As someone that works in television, and you're,

Speaker 1:

This is not being televised.

Speaker 2:

Doesn't matter, people are paying a lot of money to do this. Are they not in a pool? Again, if this was, uh, a reading

Speaker 1:

There, there's details that are available that are not able to be looked up. And there's people that have had readings that we know that I personally know. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So I know that they're not paid actors. So what do you have to say to that?

Speaker 2:

I say that those readings were pretty vague.

Speaker 1:

They were not, there was intimate details that nobody had shared with each other.

Speaker 2:

I feel like the really successful mediums, have you seen this? The show Psych? No, you gotta watch psych.

Speaker 1:

Okay. I'll watch Psych if you come with me to an event.

Speaker 2:

It's basically somebody who is a super good detective, all Sherlock Holmesy, and he's just so good at reading people and context clues. Sure. That it is easier for him to claim psychic powers than having to constantly explain himself.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I believe that. I, I believe that that's real. And I think a lot of these people certainly can be really good at like, you know, reading body language and whatever else, but I, I don't think that tells you some of the that comes out of this mouth.

Speaker 2:

Disagree.

Speaker 1:

Oh, really? You can look at a group of people and say, oh, did you have a debate over your, your husband leg came off in a car accident. Did you have a debate over whether or not you should have put that leg in the coffin or not?

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

You could tell that from looking at a group of people.

Speaker 2:

Me personally, no. If I had a paid actor plant, yes.

Speaker 1:

Okay. So we agree to disagree. Yes. Great. If you would like to send stories for us to read and debate on lunatics radio hour, you can reach out to us via email, films about lunatics gmail.com especially if you have a story that could stump Alan on the debunking side of things. I would love that. If you have any suggestions for haunted hotels or locations where I could take Alan so he could have a paranormal experience, I would also be open to hearing those. And as always, you can reach us on any of our social media channels. It's, it's an easy and fast way to get in

Speaker 2:

Touch. I think this is gonna be the last one of these that we're gonna do where it's just us. I think we need to have more people on these types of episodes

Speaker 1:

Panels,

Speaker 2:

Just so Yeah. We can bounce ideas off somebody. We need someone who's perfectly neutral,

Speaker 1:

Kind of, uh, dial us back

Speaker 2:

A little because you are, you're, you're on team, anything goes,

Speaker 1:

You're on team, nothing goes.

Speaker 2:

That's correct.

Speaker 1:

So here

Speaker 2:

We are. So we need, we need somebody on team. Half the things go.

Speaker 1:

Okay. Well, we'll start thinking about our perfect panelist. Okay. Thank you all so much for being here. We will talk to you soon. Stay well. All right. Bye.

Speaker 2:

Bye.