Episode 203 - The Ultimate Horror Sequel Villain: The Scary Scuffle Sequel Part 1

In Part One of the Scary Scuffle, we’re putting the villains of horror sequels head-to-head in a one-on-one tournament to determine who is the ultimate sequel villain. Using a bracket-style showdown, each round pits two horror icons against each other as we debate who deserves to advance and who deserves to be sent back to the franchise graveyard.

Who has the best kills? Who is the most terrifying? Who has the most staying power? And, most importantly, which sequel villain would actually win in a fight?

Abby and Alan are joined by Dan Roberts and Kate Rotunda for a chaotic debate covering some of horror’s most memorable sequel villains, from slashers and monsters to supernatural killers and everything in between.

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Transcript

Welcome Back To Scary Scuffle

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Lunatics Radio Hour Podcast. My name is Abby Branker. I'm sitting here with Alan Kodan.

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Hello.

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And today we are also joined by two very special guests. First, Kate Retunda. Hello. And our friend Dan Roberts. Hi there. And both of these guests have been on the podcast a couple times this year. And today we're very excited because we are continuing our exploration of horror sequels. And we are also continuing a series that we started many years ago called The Scary Scuffle.

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I love The Scary Scuffle.

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Alan, this was your brainchild, so why don't you tell us about it?

SPEAKER_05 0:56

This is something that we used to do growing up where we all just sat around. It actually was inspired by um Dan, what's what's the song?

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Oh, the great battle.

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The the Come on, what's the name?

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Uh the most epic battle of all time.

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Something of Ultimate Destiny.

SPEAKER_04 1:12

Oh, yeah, the big battle of Ultimate Destiny. Or the battle of Ultimate Destiny. Is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:15

I think something like that. Anyways, whenever that was like a big thing in the early aughts.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

What song is this? Is it from a video game? No, it's not a it's like a weird kind of like jokey song.

SPEAKER_05 1:26

Yeah, this was like uh the the during the time of E Bomb's world and the ultimate showdown the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny. There it is, yes.

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By Lemon Demon.

SPEAKER_05 1:36

Yes. Okay. Uh we we we can watch it during our break. Sure. But it the idea is that we just picked a bunch of people from fiction, we drew them out of a hat, and then we would just debate who would win in a fight, because that's what teenage boys do. Yes. It was a lot of fun. So we're doing it now for the second time with horror movie villains. And

The Sequel Only Rules Explained

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but this time we are doing with sequels. This is only people that have appeared in the second a movie and a sequel to that movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 2:03

And we are counting feats from the first and second movie. We are not counting feats if the franchise continues. Is that clear?

SPEAKER_00 2:10

No, that makes perfect sense. Can you also talk us through, for those who are not um big sports betters, how the bracketing tournaments will work?

SPEAKER_05 2:20

Uh no.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Dan?

SPEAKER_04 2:23

I like how sports is framed from like the betting perspective, because basically watching sports just means gambling.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

But I mean the bracket. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Uh so yes, we're we're doing a a pretty true bracket uh tournament this year. It'll be 32 teams in head-to-head matchups.

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And by teams we mean individual combatants. Sorry.

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Not all individual combatants.

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That's true. That's true. I'm sorry, I I misspoke. Thirty-two Looking at you, five gremlins.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

Thirty-two entries, we'll say, uh, or entrants.

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Yes.

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And so they'll be going in a head-to-head matchup in rounds. So there'll be a round of sixteen matches and then eight and then four and then two, and then we'll have a head-to-head matchup and term and a winner.

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And whoever wins gets the the coveted trophy of the scary scuffle.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

That's right. And Dan, why don't you tell us a little bit about the arena situation?

SPEAKER_04 3:17

Right.

Brackets And Arenas With Water

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So I have been handed a very, very fun spinner, which will determine the location for each head-to-head matchup.

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And each of them has a water feature, because if anyone remembers from many years ago with the first scary scuffle, that immediately took Jaws out, and I I thought that wasn't fair.

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That's that's true.

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We felt I felt bad. Jaws hasn't uh been the same since then. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

So if anybody listened to the episode last week, we talked a lot about the history of some of these sequels. So if you missed that, that will give you a little bit of context before we get into this today. And of course, there's gonna be spoilers. These movies all kind of need to be spoiled to some extent for us to kind of talk about them the way that we're gonna talk about them today.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

That is correct. I I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

Okay, Alan's been waiting for this for years.

SPEAKER_05 4:02

It's such I mean, uh first off, the the this whole process is dumb and fun, but it's just such a good ex excuse to go watch a bunch of very specific movies that you wouldn't otherwise.

SPEAKER_04 4:12

Scary Scuffle is the summer event of the season. I mean, it is.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

That's right. So before we get into this tournament, because we did all have to go and watch 32 movies, which we'll tell you kind of as we pull out of the hat as we go.

Favorite Watches And Streaming Struggles

SPEAKER_00 4:25

But what was everybody's favorite movie that they watched for this?

SPEAKER_05 4:28

Why don't you go first, Abby?

SPEAKER_00 4:29

I'll tell you my least favorite. Was that I really did not like Texas Chainsaw? You were not with that. I think I would have been okay with it, but then Alan had really set it up, and he's like, because him and I don't love the first one, which I know is controversial, but he really set it up. He was like, it's so funny campy, you're gonna love it. It's so different, which is true, but it was also still gross.

SPEAKER_05 4:48

Well, okay. I do apologize for that comment. Yeah, we realized what the what the problem was. I had paused the movie about halfway through and like had not yet finished it. But in the first half is just really silly and campy and fun.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Yeah, it's very different from the first one.

SPEAKER_05 5:05

Yes, mostly.

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There's one pretty gross one.

SPEAKER_05 5:07

Right, there's there's some gross stuff, but it's nowhere near the like the constant uncomfortable dread of the first one.

SPEAKER_04 5:16

Yeah, the f I I'm with you guys that the first one is not my favorite, and I thought this was a a nice change.

SPEAKER_05 5:23

Uh yeah, but you know, but then you get later on in the movie, you get some nice face waggling. Yeah, you know, it it gets a little gross.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

If I had to give you a favorite from this list, it's hard because there's a lot of movies on here that I really love. But I'm gonna be predictable and say Bride of Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

That's fair.

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Kate, what about you?

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I am a huge Jeepers Creepers fan, generally, so I really like Jeepers Creepers too, but this did introduce me to the Maniac Cop movies that I had never seen.

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Yeah, Maniac Cop.

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And I honestly had a really good time with them. I thought they were fun.

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It's suspiciously good.

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It just was very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

I was like, uh sequels, I guess, were kind of a blind spot to me. There are some of these that I like saw, I've seen all of them probably numerous times. But other ones I like Aliens was a huge blind spot for me where I had not seen that one I really liked as well. But yeah, these were a lot of sequels where I had seen the first one like numerous times, and then the second one I just had never seen before. So it was good to interesting to see what how they continued certain series. Yeah, yeah. Dan.

SPEAKER_04 6:27

I think my favorite one was a a sh uh a franchise that is pretty popular that I had never gotten a chance to see, and I don't know why, but uh I really enjoyed Megan 2.0. I watched it very recently, and I thought it was just very funny and and campy and and fun.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Does that mean you watched it on the way here?

SPEAKER_04 6:48

I did not watch it on the way here. I watched it last night because I I still had quite a few. This was a long list. 32 movies is a lot. And the case point, like the second movie is often hard to find on streaming services. Initial horror movies are often there, and then you'll get like a random something from the franchise. Right.

SPEAKER_05 7:09

Three through five, no problem. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:11

What two?

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Fuck off.

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Yeah, and it's it's I like n none of very few of these were things that I had seen previously, and we usually do like a big like watch around like Halloween. We did a big watch when we did the first scary scuffle. Yeah, I w these were just a little bit harder to find, so I hadn't seen as many of them as I would have thought. Um, it just seems to be like what streaming content decides to carry feels kind of random unless you've been like, I'm gonna watch everything in this series because I fall so in love with it, which I've done for a few of these, but uh not for all of them.

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Yeah, Alan?

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Hellraiser too.

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Nice. Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 7:47

Uh and I love the whole Hellraiser franchise. It's been a while since I've gone back and watched them. And I made I did not make the mistake this time of trying to eat chicken wings while watching the movie. Good call.

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Yeah.

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Don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

I I I went in the foodless motherface. I wouldn't eat any well, I mean, I don't, but I wouldn't eat any meat while watching any of these.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

Especially not meat that you have to like rip off bones. Yeah, and it looks bloody.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

It's more like an immersive experience. It's like those movie theaters that like it like serves you meals and vegetables.

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I don't know.

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Chicken wings hanging on little chains.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Yeah, exactly. Well, I have to say I had to walk. The one time that I can remember as an adult walking out of a theater was at a like dinner, you know, where like a it's syndicated in Brooklyn where you can order food. Yeah. And I went to see the house that Jack built, which is uh Lars Vontier movie about a serial killer, and all of my friends and I were eating rare hamburgers, and we all, after like 30 minutes, just got up and left. Like we were so nauseous. Yeah. So that's a real thing. All right, shall we get into it on that note?

Myers Vs Xenomorph Sets The Tone

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Let's do it.

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So, Kate, will you pull pull our first two opponents for us?

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So, first up is Michael Myers.

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Ooh, starting off hot.

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Halloween two, and he is facing a xenomorph.

SPEAKER_05 8:58

Oh, geez. Wow. Some some big heavy hitters off the bat.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Dan, will you spin the wheel?

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They're going to be fighting in a spring break beach town.

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Okay.

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Let the debate ensue.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Is there really much of a debate here? I feel like the xenomorph takes it.

SPEAKER_05 9:18

I think it does. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Especially if we're just doing the first two Halloween movies. Specifically, Michael, he's just he's he's harder to kill because I guess he doesn't feel pain as much. Like he can get up after a little bit, but just one chom from the xenomorph, and I think he's gone.

SPEAKER_04 9:37

Well, we we have said we're saying that they are looking for each other, right? Like they're they're they're they they know their goal is to kill each other, which I think puts if Mike Myers was just one of many people in this spring break beach town. Maybe he could like try and blend in.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

He's pretty good at like well he's always like a little bit behind the pack though, because he's not super fast.

SPEAKER_05 9:56

No, he's not.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Is he gonna get distracted by all the teenagers though on spring break?

SPEAKER_05 10:01

Ooh, he does not like teenagers.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Yeah. And they're on spring break, they're gonna be raunchy. Yeah, I feel like he's gonna kill them.

SPEAKER_05 10:08

So he's gonna get even more distracted. Okay, so before we we really set our verdict here, we should also establish a few more baseline rules. Like, where do they start? Are they right in front of each other? Oh yeah. Are they across the I imagine they should there should be some distance in the beginning? Because like some people need prep time, some people, you know, need to dark.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Well, this isn't like hunger games, right?

SPEAKER_05 10:30

No, but it's like you there's some people that are like really clever, and if you just start right next to the Lake Placid crocodile, it doesn't matter how clever you are, you're gonna get chomped.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

I think every spring break beach town has a pier, right? Sure.

SPEAKER_05 10:46

Yeah, it does always.

SPEAKER_04 10:47

So maybe they're at opposite ends of the pier.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Yeah, okay. So we'll say 500 meters apart. Sure. It's a long pier. Yes. Well, I mean it in general, they'll always be 500 meters apart.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 10:59

So plenty of time to run and hide, or you can charge in and it's not like you're having to traverse.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

And they can't like directly see each other right away. Correct. Okay. I still think he I mean So there's hunting involved. Yeah, but the xenomorph is good at hunting.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah, and also Michael Myers' weapon is a knife. You stab the xenomorph, there's acid blood all over you.

SPEAKER_05 11:17

Yeah, he gets one stab.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yeah. I feel like I just unfortunately And it's not gonna be a good stab. No. All right. We've made our quick decision, I believe. It's it it is unfortunate. He he deserved better.

SPEAKER_05 11:28

Uh yeah, I mean, yeah, that if if this was any later, we might have more of a debate. But he's just a guy.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:36

For the f for the first round, we gotta we we gotta keep these a little bit quick, I think. And then, you know, the other thing is you know, there's a lot of people on here who Mike Myers would have but you know, we are not doing any seeding. You know, when you do a tournament like this, sometimes you have like a number one seed and you put them on opposite ends.

SPEAKER_05 11:51

But this was just a tough day for Mike Myers.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:55

Uh R.I.P. Yep. Legend. Sorry, Mike, will do to the death or incapacitation.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Like unconscious?

SPEAKER_05 12:02

Like well, there are some people who are invulnerable. Right. So I see so like you can like tear them apart or whatever. But like if you are able to uh who who's like a ghost on this thing? Like you can't kill Pinhead. Like, but you can you can like eviscerate him, yeah. Yeah, uh, and so he'll have to he'll like recompose himself, but like or you could turn them human again.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Yeah, and but so it's like when in boxing it's like a three, two, one, you know, and you're still down. Like there's no chance that they are.

SPEAKER_05 12:28

There are TKOs.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Got it. Yeah, okay. Okay. Next up. One rage virus infected from 28 weeks later.

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Okay.

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Versus Predator.

SPEAKER_05 12:38

Ooh. Well, hang on. Where's it?

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Where are we going?

SPEAKER_05 12:42

Unless this is spring break again, they got no chance.

SPEAKER_04 12:44

They are fighting in a graveyard.

SPEAKER_05 12:46

Oh, geez. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

What's the water feature in the graveyard?

SPEAKER_05 12:49

There is a pond. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

I was hoping it was a big fountain.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

There's both. There's a big fountain and there's a pond. Close enough to jump between if you're a shark.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

I would say it would almost be better for the rage infected to be in a crowd of people. A graveyard probably feels like the worst place for it because it could at least bite other people and bring them onto their team, but in a graveyard, they've got they've got nothing to latch on to.

SPEAKER_05 13:13

Yeah, if this was spring break again, like suddenly there's a lot of rage fires people.

SPEAKER_04 13:18

Um well, is Abby there to do a cemetery tour? Tour.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Cemetery. Abby and I are walking around, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:26

So you're there.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

No, no, no. I'm on outside the cemetery. Maybe like one or two stragglers. Yeah. I mean, okay, I die, but like I still think the outcome's the same.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

Gravekeeper is there?

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Like, and and his I mean, this feels similar, right? Like, Predator is very powerful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:42

He's also like pretty sealed in his suit.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

That's true, but in all fairness, in Predator 2, he's killed by like a NYPD officer in the 90s, which kind of lowers his don't d I mean, don't do Danny Glover dirty like that.

SPEAKER_05 13:56

Like he's a good shot.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Like, I I still think Pretheter wins in this situation, but since we're basing it off the sequels, I just thought Predator was taken out a little too quickly.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

Right, yes, but Danny Glover also like used the the meat locker to you know masking. I'm not just predatory signature.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

He he was also, I guess, like worthy in a sense.

SPEAKER_05 14:16

Yeah, yeah. Yes, uh rage virus people are just gonna be kind of dumb.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

There's also no like in Predator 2, Predator shows like a little bit of emotion towards the pregnant woman. There's no emotion to show towards the rage virus, there's nothing holding it back.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

So is it a pregnant rage monster?

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Yeah, is the rage monster pregnant? No.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

Uh that doesn't come until m much later in the series. Also, I'd I'd another rule establish. Uh if they have equipment that is prevalent that they use in the movie, they can have it here.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 14:45

Oh, and so like Predator. Yeah, Predator's got some good weapons. Does he have his plasma cannon and too? I think so.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

He's got something.

SPEAKER_05 14:53

Yeah, he's got his gun on his shoulder. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, they're they're fucked.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Okay, Kate. Okay. Next up.

Slasher Logic Meets Monster Physics

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Uh creature from the Black Lagoon. Good job reading my handwriting on that one. Versus the tall man from Phantasm 2.

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And they will be fighting at a clifftop laboratory.

SPEAKER_05 15:11

Ooh. Not good for creature.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

No. What's the water feature?

SPEAKER_05 15:15

Uh off the cliffs is the ocean.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Does it dive all the way off the that's too far?

SPEAKER_05 15:21

Sorry. Oh, yes, but also inside the laboratory is a massive, massive tank.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

So think uh way over the water.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

The shape of water. Shape of water, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 15:30

Okay. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Got it.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

He could go into that tank. It's it's significant.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Trap himself in a enclosed tank.

SPEAKER_05 15:38

Well, can the tall man get someone underwater?

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 15:42

He can.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

I would assume he has cosmic abilities. Duh.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

I I don't know. He's got the little sphere.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Probably one of the coolest horror weapons of all time. It's great.

SPEAKER_05 15:51

I wholeheartedly agree.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:54

I just like that it gets used against him in the end.

SPEAKER_05 15:56

So I I did a little research on like what those things are. The lore it they is they establish it in the movie. Um, but it's it's convoluted.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:06

So like the little ewok things running around are his victims that he's crushed down and removed their brain. Uh then he animates them in miniature ewok form.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Does he get some? I wanted to know this. Does he get a few of those little creatures?

SPEAKER_05 16:24

I don't oh, uh I'd say if there's bodies, he can get them. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

He he also has the ability to open the portal, right? Or is that a set location?

SPEAKER_05 16:34

How does he open the portal?

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Yeah, I can't I feel like in the first one, at least it's like kind of in a room. So I guess it's a question of whether the portal can only exist in one space or if he can summon it wherever he wants.

SPEAKER_04 16:45

Does it always have to be in a morgue?

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Yeah, can you only summon the portal on the morgue? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

I'd say a laboratory is probably the closest you're gonna get to a morgue anyway. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

I think there's both So we can maybe assume the portal is open in a room of the laboratory.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Sure. Why why not?

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Um rules here, really.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

But the the little orbs that he throws at people, those contain the brains that he takes out of the ewoks. Really? That's why the things are kind of smart and how they that's why they're like all homing and whatnot. But also, most notable trait about these little orbs is that they stick into things and drain the moisture. Yeah, and shoot the blood out. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty bad for creature. Yeah, it's not he needs he needs his moisture.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Creature is also just he you you shoot him, he dies. Yeah, he's yeah. And if he's contained to a tank, he's like kind of like a fish in a barrel.

SPEAKER_05 17:33

Well, he can jump off the cliff.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Yeah, but then he doesn't exist either.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

So if the creature doesn't the creature could play the hiding game, he could be like He could.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

But is there a time limit on these battles? That's a good question. But if he throws the orb, can't the orb just find him?

SPEAKER_05 17:49

We we don't know if it can go underwater.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I have to imagine it can be.

SPEAKER_05 17:53

If it's made of metal and brain, I can't see why.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

But if it has lasers, it doesn't laser. There's some kind of electrical It has a drill.

SPEAKER_05 17:59

The drill can break the tank. The tank will drain.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

If he's in the tank, there's no like he just you could throw the orb without anything coming out of it and it will probably break the tank.

SPEAKER_05 18:08

True. Yes, he could just hit it with a hammer.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Yeah, like I don't think that, but if we're saying that the creature can jump off into the ocean, I still I have to do it. All right, we've made our cough.

SPEAKER_05 18:20

Yeah, is anyone have any reason why the creature would take this?

SPEAKER_01 18:23

No. No.

SPEAKER_05 18:24

Okay, cool. I can't. No. I want to.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

I watching creature from uh the second movie made me realize how much like it's just a non-consensual shape of water. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

It's really that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_05 18:38

It's really upsetting.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

The second one is rough for that too. Very easily distracted by women. Yes. And also they treat him really horribly in the second movie. Yeah. All right, Kate. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

Cruising. They did take him to Florida, right? Yeah. Yeah. To SeaWorld.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Terrible. Okay. Leatherface, Abby's favorite. Yikes. Versus Ooh, croc from Lake Placid, too.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Well, I think we get to say goodbye to Leatherface.

SPEAKER_04 19:07

Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

I know, I know. Go ahead, Dan. Yeah, where are they?

SPEAKER_04 19:11

Once again, well, they'll be fighting in a graveyard. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Okay. What's the water feature? It's just the pond in the graveyard.

SPEAKER_05 19:16

There's a big pond and there's a fountain.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

But he doesn't need to be in the water at all times.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

But Leatherface can't pursue the croc in the pond.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Oh, yeah. No chance Leatherface can swim.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Yeah. So the croc could kind of come out and you know. I yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

I think even I mean There's no way. There's so many things counting against Leatherface on this one. He just reeks of human blood. Well, especially basically flathered himself.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

And in the second movie, he's so buffoonish. Like he just has no like skills. No, there's it's nothing.

SPEAKER_05 19:51

And if he finds the crocodile sexy, it's all over for him.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Yeah, you could the crocodile could manipulate him.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

Watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, I was like, I don't know who he could possibly win against. He has to do his little dance before he can do any kind of attack.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

You could run away while he's just racing the chainsaw. Yeah. Chainsaw is a terrible weapon, generally.

SPEAKER_05 20:12

It's great against completely normal, scared people.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

But it's so clunky and loud and like prone to running out of gas.

SPEAKER_05 20:20

Well, he's so bad with it. Yeah, but Ash and Evil Dead does great with it.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Well, but that's like a he doesn't he modify it?

SPEAKER_05 20:27

He makes it slightly smaller.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

He does slightly smaller. And like, but he can move his arm faster. He doesn't have to worry about it. Um yeah, I I think like yeah, I don't think there's any. I don't know if a uh Does the crap not have a name? I don't know. Even though there's several of them in the second one.

SPEAKER_05 20:44

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 20:45

Well, no, I was just gonna say I think Betty White talks to one of them at one point, but I can't remember what she calls it.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Yeah, she yeah, you're right. All right, next up, moving on moving quickly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Okay, Chucky from Child's Play 2 versus the caller from When a Stranger Calls Back. Ooh, interesting. This is actually a better matchup.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

They will be fighting in a haunted, insane asylum.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

So, Dan, we did our babysitter and the man upstairs episode with you. I did. So, what did you think about when a stranger calls back?

SPEAKER_04 21:16

When Stranger Calls Back, I watched last night. Uh enjoyed it. I liked the idea of a ventriloquist um murderer that it wasn't really about the dummy. Yeah. I was worried it was gonna be about the dummy. And then uh it wasn't, so I was thrilled about that. Um but you know, we watch a lot of horror movies. I don't know. It was okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

Yeah, sure. Okay, so we have Chucky versus the caller, and where are they?

SPEAKER_04 21:44

In a haunted insane asylum.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

All right, are there working phones?

SPEAKER_05 21:50

Yeah, he needs to call them before he kills them. Uh it it says it's haunted pay phones.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Yeah, so are the ghosts in play?

SPEAKER_05 21:58

Yeah, the ghosts are definitely in play. Isn't wait, yeah. Chucky is a ghost. He is.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Technically. He's like a consciousness.

SPEAKER_05 22:04

Yeah, so he's among friends.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Is he a ghost? Well he's he's inhabited by a serial killer. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's not possession.

SPEAKER_05 22:11

Isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 22:12

No, it's voodoo magic.

SPEAKER_05 22:14

Yeah. Movie magic?

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Voodoo magic. It's a movie magic.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

He's not a real doll.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

The doll isn't actually acting anything.

SPEAKER_05 22:25

Okay, so let's see. This seems like a shoe-in for Chucky.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Does it? No. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 22:32

I'm in disagree. Chucky, I love Chucky movies. But he's not actually all that frightening. Because he first off, you can always hear his little footsteps. He's yeah. And this guy and the the stranger in in The Stranger Calls Back is incredibly good at hiding. And I don't think Chucky's particularly good at finding people.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

I think they're both like similar skill sets, but the stranger is like a full-grown human. Yeah. It's serial killer versus serial killer.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

That's a great point.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Like they both have little knives, they're both whatever, but one is like a man and one is like a one-foot-tall.

SPEAKER_05 23:04

But Chucky can take more damage.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 23:07

But like how is Chucky killed again?

SPEAKER_01 23:10

In the first one, he throws him into the fire.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

Right, he's burned. And in the second one, he's put in like a factory like conveyor body. Like if you stab Chucky.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

It's just stabbing through plastic. But he has scar he bleeds, doesn't he? But again, we're trying to take him, we're trying to incapacitate him.

SPEAKER_05 23:25

Right. I'm trying to think of does he feel pain? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

I feel like you could just kind of step on him and then saw off his all his little limbs.

SPEAKER_05 23:32

Yes. So I so Chucky's biggest weapon is fear.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:37

Uh and the stranger, or the caller rather.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

Seems to be a sociopath.

SPEAKER_05 23:42

Seems to be loves tormenting young people. Yeah. Chucky looks like a young person.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

That's true.

SPEAKER_05 23:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Yeah. I think the collar takes it.

SPEAKER_04 23:54

Yeah. What a twist.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

I feel like also Chucky, they imply that he has voodoo magic, but that he never uses it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:01

Chucky can Chucky is constantly being out foxed by like a an eight-year-old boy. And in the second one is out foxed by an eight-year-old boy and his babysitter. And like he like his like I think he you know would easily lose to a uh someone who's in the heads in the game mark.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

He's got the big ego. He's very narcissistic, and the collar is just kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:23

True. Okay, done.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Alright, done. Next up.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Okay,

M3GAN In A Mall Plus Dream Rules

SPEAKER_01 24:27

next up. We got Ghostface, specifically from Scream 2. Are we doing? Yep. Okay. And Megan.

SPEAKER_05 24:34

Oh, jeez.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

These matchups are really funny.

SPEAKER_04 24:39

Uh so where are they? Well, they're gonna be fighting in a daytime shopping mall, which I think is gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Daytime shopping mall. Why did you write daytime?

SPEAKER_05 24:49

Because I wanted people there.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Oh, like it's during the daytime. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

But you wrote daytime shopping mall, not shopping mall.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

In the daytime. During during daytime.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

Daytime shopping mall. What do you call it?

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Just a shopping mall. Yeah. Open for bids. Daytime. Okay. Okay. Understood. And it's a big thing. It's bright.

SPEAKER_05 25:08

So, you know, all these, it's presumably like midnight, night, whatever, unless specify it.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Unless it's a daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

Unless it's a daytime shopping mall.

unknown 25:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Okay, so in ghost in Scream 2, Ghostface is a frat boy and a middle-aged woman. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:23

So there's two. There's two of them. But only one costume.

unknown 25:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Who are we choosing one of the ghost face or are they are they both there? They're both there. Okay. I think.

SPEAKER_05 25:31

Yeah, that's fine. It doesn't matter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

It doesn't. Ring all the time. There could be five of them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:36

I'm the same thing all of the the ghost face from Scream 1 as well.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

They're all there. That's fine.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

All okay.

SPEAKER_05 25:42

All four. And they're they're gonna start surrounding Megan with knives and she's still gonna win. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

She's gonna do a little dance.

SPEAKER_05 25:48

Actually, so they do start, you know, 500 feet 500 meters apart. I think Megan would just pretend to be a mannequin.

SPEAKER_04 25:56

Yeah. Yeah. She would kick in.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

Because that's fun.

SPEAKER_04 25:59

There was a moment when I was watching this movie where I thought, oh, if she has the behavioral inhibitor on, that's a good leg up for whoever she fights, because then she can't kill humans. But they take it off her by the end.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

So are we doing Megan at her strongest?

SPEAKER_05 26:12

Yeah, that's a feat established in Megan too.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:15

So she can kill. So no problem. And she knows Kung Fu. She does.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Yeah, I I they're just two very normal people in Ghostface to in Scream 2. They just have the advantage of sneaking up on people, I guess. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

Yeah. I've already wrote down that Megan wants. Yeah, I mean there's not.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

But have you considered that they're in a daytime shopping mall? Oh, good point. Good point.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

Yeah. What do you think? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Got it.

SPEAKER_04 26:38

The only thing the the real skill that Ghostface has is that you don't know that it's multiple people. But Megan, knowing that there's multiple people she needs to kill, kind of she's seen the first movie.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

I feel like she'd be like, why is your heartbeat?

SPEAKER_05 26:54

Why is your heart rate different from the last time I saw you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Oh, do they have like pictures of what each other look like? They know what the other person because I mean.

SPEAKER_05 27:02

They've seen each other's first movie. That's fair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Okay, but the two people who are in Scream 2 aren't in the first movie.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Yeah, but she still gets the premise.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

But then, but it in that case, I'm just saying if we're in a daytime shopping mall, I think the both the ghost face could blend easily if she doesn't know who they are. And then that happens, I think. And I don't think their little knives will.

SPEAKER_05 27:24

This could be a a full battle of attrition that goes on for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

But Megan's winning.

SPEAKER_05 27:28

But I don't see a win condition for them taking her down.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

No. Because even if you kill her, her consciousness can live on.

SPEAKER_04 27:34

Yeah, there's a lot of electronics in them all.

SPEAKER_05 27:36

That's true. Yeah, I feel like if her body would be destroyed, that'd be a TKO. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

But I don't think they're doing that.

SPEAKER_05 27:41

But I just yeah, they're they're just frat boys.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

One frat boy, one mom.

SPEAKER_05 27:46

One mom. And even with mom energy, there's no chance.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

No. Okay. What do we got? The invisible man versus Freddy Krueger.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

Wow. The Invisible Man, I think, made the semifinals last time. Yeah. Really?

SPEAKER_05 28:00

He's very sneaky.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Kate, you gotta listen to this. This was the craziest guy I've ever made. He's just like a dude who is invisible.

SPEAKER_04 28:08

The rules of this the rules the rules for Scary Scuffle are just if you argue hard enough.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Well, yeah, that's true. Most things in life. That's why I had Kate this time because I was outnumbered the last time. Okay, where are they?

SPEAKER_04 28:20

They are fighting in a quarantined urban slum.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

What?

SPEAKER_05 28:25

Yeah, quarantined urban slums.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

It's like a call of duty map.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Okay, so they have the whole, it's like a town.

SPEAKER_05 28:31

So it's it's like urban slums, right? Picture so that this would be like uh candyman type.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

I feel like it would be more like 28 days later.

SPEAKER_05 28:41

With a combination with any of these zombie breakout things. So there's like the military presence around the perimeter. You cannot leave this area, that's why it's contained.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 28:51

You know, flipped over cars and stuff to still some people panicking.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Yeah. Well, here's the thing the invisible man still dreams. Yeah. He's just a guy who is invisible. Yeah. So he could still be targeted. Like him being invisible doesn't help him against Freddy.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

And he can't do anything when he's not asleep because Freddie, he's there's no I mean, I guess there's some precautions you can take, but for the most part, you have to meet Freddie on his turf, so he's gonna have to be asleep eventually. Well, yeah, this came up last time, you're right.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

Well, Freddy is in the arena.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Yeah. So he's in the arena, does he have all his dream abilities?

SPEAKER_05 29:23

No, he's in the real world. So he can attack someone if they fall asleep.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:29

Or he can just, you know, be Freddy Kruger and stab people with his hand claw.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

So it's a guy who happens to be invisible and a guy who has knives for hands.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

So then if it really becomes like a waiting game, yeah, like the invisible man could wait it out if this is a timed match, I think.

SPEAKER_05 29:46

Do we think the invisible man could ambush Freddy Krueger before he falls asleep?

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Yes. Of course. Because I think you could go a couple days without falling asleep.

SPEAKER_05 29:55

Freddy Krueger's also a massive narcissist.

SPEAKER_04 29:57

You have to kill Freddy Kruger in his dream, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Uh we're arguing he's in the original world.

SPEAKER_05 30:01

If you kill him in the real world, he's like banished to hell or something.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

I think that then I would put more weight on the invisible man.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

I think also Freddy Krueger mostly fights children. Yeah. I'm trying to think of in the Invisible Man 2, he's just a he's just a guy who hik who killed someone, right? I'm trying to think of like how strong he was.

SPEAKER_05 30:22

He's just he is just a guy. He's just incredibly strong.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

I can't reiterate enough that he is just a dude who is invisible.

SPEAKER_05 30:28

Okay, so in the in the second one, it's a different invisible man from the first.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 30:32

And but he's he's a criminal.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

I think he's a guy who's in jail, and I believe he killed someone.

SPEAKER_05 30:38

Okay, so a violent criminal who's now invisible.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 30:41

Okay, so no no extra feats of strength, but he's malicious.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

Yes. Yeah. And very at least capable of murder. Yes, and I'm fighting for his own.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

So is Freddie Krueger. For sure. But I for sure I do feel that like because this has to be like a stealth ambush situation on both their parts, but Freddie Krueger being such a narcissist is so easily baited out.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

But also the invisible man's like biggest strength is stealth. So if it comes down to stealth, he wins.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Yeah. Yep. And you could go like three days without sleep or something. So if it just takes him three days to find Freddie, and Freddie has to like make at least six quips before he kills someone.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Yeah. So Freddie is not good at blending in.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

No, not at all. And there's like there are other people in this quarantine zone.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

It's a quarantine urban slum, for all we know. It's quarantined because everyone's developed some kind of severe leprosy that makes them all look like Freddie Kruger.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

But do they have knife gloves? And are they stripey? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:37

Probably not.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

Well, it's a quarantine urban slum. They've had to resort to knife gloves to protect themselves.

SPEAKER_05 31:44

Um I I you know, he could just, yeah, take some of the take some children, make uh the invisible man could take some children, put them into like a little trap. Yeah. Uh Freddie Kruger shows up to get all stabby and then gets ambushed.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Like, I think it is crazy to say the invisible man beats Freddie, but if you're awake and Freddie is confined to the real world and you're able to stay awake, I do think that he's just yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

I think he got him. Unless it's snowing.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Why cause cold? No, because then you could see his footprints.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

Dan, is it snowing? It's I think in a quarantined urban slum never snows.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Ash falling from the sky.

SPEAKER_04 32:20

I don't know why. In my mind, I always I know this isn't what real quarantine zones look like, but I always imagine they place a giant dome over the city.

SPEAKER_05 32:27

Oh, that's true. So but there's a lot of dust. So there are dusty footprints. I just don't think that Freddie Krueger's smart enough.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Stay in one corner and never move and win. If it's a time trial.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yeah, Freddie's like looking around for him. All right. I think we've made our decision. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Second time, second scary scuffle in a row where Freddie Krueger gets knocked out in the first round.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

That's surprising. I really thought the invisible man would be knocked out earlier, but I guess in this case, just again the collar was gonna get knocked out. That's why it's a fun game. Okay. Next up, we've got the T-800 from Terminator 2. Yes. Versus Alan.

unknown 33:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

Versus Norman Bates. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

Oh, where this is an exciting one. And they're gonna be fighting at a lakeside summer camp.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Oh, a likely place for them both to be.

SPEAKER_04 33:19

Of course. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Um I guess the question is does if we're talking Terminator 2 T-800, can he still I'm trying to remember if he has like a behavioral block. I know he's like reprogrammed by is it Bill Paxton?

SPEAKER_05 33:34

No, uh, he can kill anybody except John Connor.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Oh, okay, then yeah. I Norman Bates is just kind of a sad sack.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

Uh, but we are using just a T-800. I don't want to be the specific one.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Okay. Okay, so okay. So either way.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

Yes. Uh so he could kill John Connor. He could kill John Connor.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

If Norman Bates has convinced John Connor to go to a lakeside summer camp.

SPEAKER_05 33:55

Yes. Is there any world where Norman Bates becomes so manipulative that his knowledge of John Connor dejade the T-800?

SPEAKER_01 34:04

No.

SPEAKER_05 34:05

No.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Because especially if we're talking Norman Bates in the second movie, he's just kind of being manipulated the whole time. Yeah. Even in the first one, he's easily fooled.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

So sad. All my favorite guys are dropping off. All right.

SPEAKER_05 34:19

Is I'm trying to think if there's any moment where we see whether they're full whether the the Terminators are submersible. I can't.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

What is Norman is Norman Bates is gonna go swimming? We don't know any idea about his to make it.

SPEAKER_05 34:33

Sorry, in in and it's like the they could they canoe into the middle of the lake for safety.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

T 800 is canoeing into the middle of the lake for safety. Oh, I see, I see.

SPEAKER_05 34:41

And then the T-800 would have to follow him in somehow. You can't canoe, he'll he'll flip. He's too heavy.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

That is, I feel like the T 800 could go under the water, but I think getting out from under the But he sits in like a He would just walk out.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

I'm in the first movie, he's like mostly alive in lava.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

Like or like he does get rained on, so he's at least um flesh resistance.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Human flesh protecting his That's true.

SPEAKER_04 35:07

Does he get to keep the keeping?

SPEAKER_05 35:08

I think he's submersible.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Okay, let's say he's submersible. I think either way. Yeah, he can't swim a move point.

SPEAKER_04 35:14

Definitely not swim.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

But he can walk around underwater.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

He can, yeah. Like a pirate of the Caribbean. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Because I think even if Norman Bates or mother or whatever gets a few good stabs in, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Yeah, if he gets close enough to do that, then he's dead. Yeah, exactly. Just gets a shotgun.

SPEAKER_05 35:29

If we put the entire cast of Psycho 2, this would still, including all the cops and so even if we don't give the T-800 a gun, he's still gonna win.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

He just hits him and he his brain explodes.

SPEAKER_05 35:41

Yeah, yeah. He'll throw things at him in the canoe. Yeah, he's still in the I still have him in the canoe. It's the only place that I can imagine. I think he's dead. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

All right. Sorry, Abby.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

It's okay. Life goes on. Okay, next up. We got

Spaceships Swamps And Pure Chaos

SPEAKER_01 35:56

the creeper. All right, Kate. Fantastic. Big one, big one. Versus a death angel.

SPEAKER_04 36:02

Ooh, it's a bad spin, but they're gonna be fighting in a derelict spaceship. Oh jeez.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

That makes a lot of noise. In space?

SPEAKER_05 36:11

Yeah, it's in space.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

But it's derelict.

SPEAKER_05 36:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_05 36:14

So life support is still active, but there's no gravity. And it's it's basically like a decommissioned spaceship.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

There's no gravity?

SPEAKER_05 36:23

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

We talked about this because that's very specific. Yeah, that's really that.

SPEAKER_05 36:28

I was trying to think, I was trying to include a lot of places where Jaws might do okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

No gravity?

SPEAKER_05 36:34

Yeah, he can just kind of like bounce around the walls and snap around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

And is there just water flow?

SPEAKER_00 36:38

It doesn't, we're not talking about jaws now. No, let's not get sidetracked. Okay. Creeper versus Death Angel in a no-gravity derelict spaceship in space.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

And we're assuming Creeper is functioning. Like he's not in his hibernation. Right. Correct. We're in the 23rd spring of a 23rd year. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 36:55

Correct. Uh but he only has 23 days to end this fight.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Yeah, I think he'll do it. I think Creeper. There's a lot of noise happening on spaceships. Creeper could just yell.

SPEAKER_05 37:05

Sure. But then the death angel finds him.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

True, but I think if you make enough noise, the angel gets at least startled. And then Creeper is a very difficult creature to kill and harm.

SPEAKER_05 37:15

His little throwing shurikans have the force of a shotgun.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

Uh, because they to like completely blow out wheels and whatnot. Uh and like that's how they take out the death angels.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Even without the sonic equipment that they have in the second movie, they can take them out with the yeah, with a rifle.

SPEAKER_05 37:35

Yeah, they're not like impenetrable skin. Right. They it's just they have very specific weak points that are very hard to kill. But if the creeper can shuriken from across a cornfield, yeah, hit a very small thing multiple times, I think he's got it.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

He's also intelligent. He's an intelligent life form.

SPEAKER_05 37:52

He's a smart guy.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

Yeah. And he's his skin is hard to break. I mean, I guess humans do technically defeat him in the second one, but it took him quite some time, and there was a lot of them. And he was on his last legs.

SPEAKER_05 38:05

Right. The reason why he was defeated was because he was out of time.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Yeah, exactly. So I think it's just kind of him versus a wild animal.

SPEAKER_05 38:12

Also, doesn't he isn't he silent when he flies?

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Yeah, he's very quiet.

SPEAKER_04 38:15

He also has Seth Green's eyes by the second movie.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Seth Green, Justin Long.

SPEAKER_05 38:21

You're thinking of robot chicken.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Yeah. Maybe. I think you're thinking of Family Guy, maybe?

SPEAKER_04 38:25

Maybe. No, I really thought in the Creeper that it's No, it's Justin Long.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

Really?

SPEAKER_04 38:29

Okay. I'm sorry. I was I was so excited that there was no Justin Long movies when I went through this whole list.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 38:36

So also we have one very smart thing, one not very smart thing.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

With pretty equal combat abilities.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

Yeah, and I would argue the creeper is significantly harder to kill in terms of his body, and the death angel seems to be kind of you can shoot it. Sure.

SPEAKER_05 38:52

I'd say the the death angel is more robust, uh, because the creeper regenerates, but there's no people to regenerate from here. But it doesn't matter. He's gonna take it.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Even in the first movie, he's shot and without regenerating is able to continue for quite some time.

SPEAKER_05 39:05

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

All right, we've made a decision.

SPEAKER_05 39:08

Thanks, Abby.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Someone has to, you know, call the shots out here.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Okay. Next up, Bri the Frankenstein versus Pearl.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Oh, I hate that we're pitting the ladies against each other.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

Come on.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

But where?

unknown 39:21

Where?

SPEAKER_04 39:21

We'll be fighting in a quarantined urban slum.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

Oh no, not again. We're back in the quarantined urban slum. Abby, do you want to start since you're a big Bride the Frank fan?

SPEAKER_00 39:31

I think here's the interesting thing. You have Pearl, who is a person, but is psychotic and a killer. You have Bride of Frankenstein, who is a slightly stronger person. You know, it it's interesting. Like, I think Pearl is smarter, potentially, and more maniacal. But I think the bride is a little bit stronger. I just don't know that she would see Pearl coming. You know what I mean? I I that's my question in my head.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

Though I don't know if Pearl is really known for being sneaky, she's more known for like very intense violent outburst.

SPEAKER_05 40:07

She just loses her shit. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

But I think Bride of Frankenstein is easily scared. Yeah. So I think Pearl, if Pearl were to like charge her, she could definitely catch her off guard.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Yeah, I don't think her instinct would be to like crush her back.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

But I do think that by the time Pearl attacks a startled Bride of Frankenstein and is stabbing or whatever, Bride of Frankenstein's stabs are not really gonna do much to her. She's already dead, and then at that point, just kind of animalistic reaction could probably snap Pearl's neck.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Yeah. I think it's really it could I could see it either way. Toys?

SPEAKER_04 40:40

Well, she gets the the the they get everything they have in the movie, right? So she has a pitchfork and an axe, Pearl?

SPEAKER_05 40:46

Both stabby things. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

Or slicey. I guess it would be I think it's the strength component of Bride of Frankenstein. You know, Pearl might get the Bride of Frankenstein decently injured, but as soon as Bride of Frankenstein gets up up and close, I think she's gonna kill her. And because she's reanimated flesh, I think she's probably gonna take can take quite a beating.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Fab.

SPEAKER_05 41:10

Also, Pearl is susceptible to whatever is quarantining the urban thing, and the bride of Frankenstein is not.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Yeah, there you go. This is true. Okay. The bride wins.

SPEAKER_05 41:19

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

Next. First sequel ever made. First horror sequel ever made.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Totally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:26

Pearl was?

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Who was the first horror sequel?

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Okay. We have Jaws. Yes. Are we doing the shark from Jaws 2? Because they're two different sharks.

SPEAKER_05 41:35

It is the shark from Jaws 2.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Okay. Versus the leprechaun. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05 41:43

Oh, but where? This is the.

SPEAKER_04 41:45

Where are they?

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Please let them be in a daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_04 41:48

They are going to be fighting at the hillbilly swamp.

unknown 41:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

So we got the swamp.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

So there's Jaws is in the swamp. Okay. Uh like he's got magic.

SPEAKER_05 41:59

He's got magic. Uh the only thing that hurts leprechaun is wrought iron. But wait, but hillbillies love wrought iron. There's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of wrought iron around.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

According to Leprechaun 2, wrought iron is everywhere. Sure. And everyone knows how to identify it on site.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

And remembers when things are made of wrought. That I could I watch Leprechaun 2 for the first time. I've never seen Leprechaun. I'm watching the movie, and every time they say wrought iron, I'm like, what? I've never like once looked at something and been like, when he's like, oh, there's a huge safe in there that's made of how do you know what the safe is made of?

SPEAKER_04 42:34

Does Jennifer Aniston use it is Jennifer Aniston right at all? In the first one. In the first one. Does she use wrought iron at all in the first one?

SPEAKER_01 42:40

I think it's a big plot point in the second one.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

I mean, I think Jaws loses, sadly. Like, I think there's just no way he can't manipulate magic. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 42:47

No, but he's they've shown Jaws Leprechaun won. I don't know if he understood any of it, but he saw the movie.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Sure. I still think he loses.

SPEAKER_04 42:56

So Jaws, is there any chance that the leprechaun drops some of his gold? Because he's pretty he's obsessed with this gold, but he's constantly dropping it. And so if he if Jaws manages to eat one of them.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

Well, I doesn't that just give the leprechaun a bigger incentive to tear Jaws apart?

SPEAKER_04 43:16

Yes, but he can't hurt somebody who's stolen his gold.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

And so if Jaws manages to eat the leprechaun's gold, he'll be invulnerable for the length of the fight. And then he'll need to just hope that the leprechaun stumbles into wrought iron.

SPEAKER_05 43:34

So okay, okay, you're on to something. Uh the leprechaun was clearly spawned with his pot of gold.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 43:42

Would he just leave it laying around when there's hillbillies about? Yeah, there's so. Yeah. And Jaws is gonna want to eat the leprechaun, and he's not gonna be. He's like a very small guy. Yeah. If he eats them, he's gonna eat all of them. Jaws is very non discerning with what he eats.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

But Jaws has to get to the leprechaun. Yes. Sure. The leprechaun. Can like easily just not go in the water.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

And also just cast it. Well, because the only way to really beat the leprechaun's magic is to because he he lives by a very strict set of rules.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

Just like Liam Neeson.

SPEAKER_01 44:10

Exactly. Um The Leprechaun is basically Liam Neeson. Um he lives by a very strict set of rules, but people can manipulate him out of those rules. Also, he can get drunk, which is a huge weakness in my point of view. So the hillbillies could get him drunk. But just throw him in the water, feed him to Jaws. Yeah, or the hillbillies on Jaws' side.

SPEAKER_05 44:30

Oh, the wow. I feel like the hillbillies, the the the leprechaun would manipulate hillbillies.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Yeah, he could trick he could be like, I have this pot of gold. I could see they would hate him. They would want to kill him.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

Right, because he's so annoying. This is the foreigner. He might get tossed into the swamp for his bad behavior. Yeah. Yeah. In which case, Jaws would take it.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 44:51

All he has to do is chomp him. Once he's chomped, he's at least battlefield removed.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

I still feel like barring all these extenuating circumstances where the hillbillies get the leprechaun drunk and toss him into the swamp. I think that the leprechaun can just make something out of nothing. Like, what's that called when you there's like a word for that? It's like one of the telepathic words.

SPEAKER_04 45:13

I can't think of it, but trans configuration.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

Yeah, where you can just like kind of create whatever you want.

SPEAKER_05 45:20

Matter manipulation.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

Yeah, I feel like you can't.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

I think ClaperCon takes it.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Minus manipulation from other people and his little rules. He has almost unlimited abilities.

SPEAKER_05 45:29

But how is he going to hurt Jaws?

SPEAKER_01 45:31

I feel like he could just explode him with his mind.

SPEAKER_05 45:34

We we never see that though. We never has to be something kind of comical. I feel like he would go to the end of the dock.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

He could maybe like, sorry, continue.

SPEAKER_05 45:43

And just like, you know, make himself into like little fishermen or something and like cast it out. And then Jaws would just chomp him because he'd underestimate him. It's a giant fucking shark.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

I feel like I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility that one of the leprechaun's powers is he could remove all the water from the swamp.

SPEAKER_05 45:58

Oh yeah. He's got like cartoon powers. If he just like pulled the plug on the swamp, it would drain. Oh yeah.

unknown 46:04

All right.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

Yeah, we're calling it.

SPEAKER_05 46:06

Okay. Hillbillies be damned.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

Hillbillies be damned.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

I tried.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

I would like to see the Leprechaun try moving.

SPEAKER_05 46:11

I just want to see Jaws get past the first round for watching this.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

I know.

SPEAKER_04 46:14

Next year. Next summer. I was excited with Swamp because when I picture it, it's a hillbilly shack on a dock surrounded by water.

SPEAKER_05 46:22

Water is everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Not quite as like, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

It's like a marsh. Well, yeah. It's shallow water. Yeah. Jaws is only kind of in it. He's got a like out.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Next summer we'll do a scary scuffle only with water monsters. That would be good. And then Shaz will have a chance. We'll see about that.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Alright, Kate. Okay,

Peachfuzz Vs Jason Then Cop Debate

SPEAKER_01 46:40

next up we got Peach Fuzz.

unknown 46:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Versus Peach Fuzz from Creep 2. Creep 2. Jason Voorhees.

SPEAKER_05 46:48

Oh, this is Peach Fuzz, hands down.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Does he have the mask on?

SPEAKER_04 46:53

They will be fighting.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

He does not have the mask in the second movie.

SPEAKER_04 46:56

In a derelict spaceship.

unknown 46:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Oh, no gravity. Jason gets the mask in the third movie.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

I was asking if Peach Fuzz has his mask on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has the mask on. So no gravity.

SPEAKER_05 47:06

No gravity.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

Serial killer versus serial killer, but one of them is already dead. Yeah. I guess. Wait, my first question is because I've heard people have different uh different opinions about this. In Friday the 13th, too, do you think Jason is a supernatural being? No.

SPEAKER_05 47:22

He is not. Definitively not. Well, sorry. He is not this massive juggernaut zombie.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Yeah. So he's not. So in the second one, you don't view him as a kid that drowned and came back to life. Instead, he is a kid that has been living in the lakeslash woods.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

I think regardless of the origin story, because we're gonna get in that will be like a huge side tangent. Sure. His abilities are that of a man in the second movie.

SPEAKER_05 47:45

I'd say he's on par with Michael Myers for Yeah, slightly elevated man. I think I think he is un I think he's undead. Because he's still yeah, like you can't living in the water. Yeah, I think he's I think he is supernatural. I'm thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

But he doesn't present any special skills from that.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

He's just not like again crazy indestructible. You can take him down with like a bat and a sweater vest.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

That's all you need. And some purity, you know what I'm saying? Yep. Um technically Peach Fuzz Peach Fuzz has in the second one. Yeah, very true.

SPEAKER_05 48:17

Peach Fuzz would talk the fuck out of him.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Well, that's why it's like a question of because But he wouldn't care. Yeah, because it's not listening. Peach Fuzz's abilities stem from the fact that he f befriends people, charms them somehow, or in the second one just meets someone that matches his crazy.

SPEAKER_04 48:33

It's specifically Peach Fuzz. So that makes me think that he's like actively put the mask on. Yes, and is and is kind of ranting and crazy. Yeah. Not like the first movie where he's kind of there are moments where you're like, he seems alright. Like he's a little off, but he's you know, he's kind of likable.

SPEAKER_05 48:52

In creep two, he does also have a pistol. He can pop off some shots. He could. It's not gonna do anything, but he can.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

And as I argued earlier with Alan, he survives a hit from a from a shovel. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

When does he have a gun in Creep 2?

SPEAKER_04 49:10

Doesn't he sh doesn't he shoot?

SPEAKER_01 49:12

I just watched it.

SPEAKER_04 49:13

I thought he shoots her. Oh, maybe you're thinking because I thought he got shot.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

No, he stabs him.

SPEAKER_05 49:17

That's what I'm thinking of. Sorry, we had a d what what's the what's the phenomena called where you have like a shared Mundal Mundal. Yes, a shared mass delusion.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:26

Because we were talking about, yeah, Peach Fuzz surviving a gunshot wound, and then there's no guns in the entire movie. Uh yes, okay. Peach fuzz can survive a single shovel hit.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

And several stabs to his abdomen.

SPEAKER_05 49:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

Which also Jason can. Yes. But I will say, Jason eventually, right, in the first two movies, is like put like he doesn't ultimately defeat every or I guess in the second movie, he doesn't ultimately defeat. So if a random teenager could survive it, why couldn't a serial killer?

SPEAKER_01 49:59

Well, because I think in the second one, the random teenager in the first one at least the random teenager survives because help gets there right away.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Right, but that's sort of a special case, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

And then the second one, it's almost a special case because she finds they are in his turf where she finds his mother's altar. Whereas if she had not found that, I don't think she would have survived. In a derelict spaceship, I don't think we're gonna find Pamela Voorhees Sweather and severed head.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

But you but you're with somebody who is more who's more like cunning in the spaceship. Sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

It's one of the spaceships where we've put all of our great cultural accomplishments in Pamela Voorhees' head.

SPEAKER_00 50:39

I think this is sort of like similar to the Pearl Bride matchup a little bit, because you have one who is like a little bit of a maniac, and then you have one who's definitely slightly stronger, but is less like aware of what's happening.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

Do we think that Jason Voorhees is so desperate for friends that Peach Fuzz could manipulate him?

unknown 50:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 50:57

I feel like Peach Fuzz would choose to trust him at some point, and then Jason would get stabby.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

Yeah, I think Jason ultimately I feel like most of what happens with Jason is that they confuse him for about 30 seconds, and in any other situation you can use that to your advantage. But if we're just kind of mindlessly floating through space, I don't know. I think they would make out.

SPEAKER_05 51:21

Mask to mask.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Yeah, Abby's gonna write a fan fiction after this. He's wearing like a bag. Yeah, it's a bag. Just one eye hole.

SPEAKER_05 51:29

That's a mask.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

I know, but it's you know, you can't like not really he doesn't put it on as a mask behind it, just gets trapped in it.

SPEAKER_04 51:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

And leaves it.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

Oh silly.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

I really think Peach Fuzz wins. I I don't I just think that that like Jason. Walk me through the scenario and how does it go down?

SPEAKER_05 51:46

Walk us through it.

SPEAKER_04 51:47

What triggers Jason? Jason is triggered by horny teenagers.

SPEAKER_05 51:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 51:51

And there are just none of those in space.

SPEAKER_05 51:54

I mean, there's probably plenty, just not there. Well, maybe I shouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

You think there are plenty of horny teenagers in space?

SPEAKER_00 52:01

There's lots of aliens in space. Yeah, they could be horny.

SPEAKER_01 52:04

I think the question though is because if we're doing it off of they need to kill each other, like they know they need to kill each other. Because then you could argue a lot of these are like, well, they're not going to do anything because this doesn't pertain to their movie or rules.

SPEAKER_05 52:15

In which case they would just die of exposure and Jason would win.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

Yeah. But because he does go to space. That's a later feat.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

We can just say I think that mentally, I feel like for some reason, mentally Peach Fuzz would be thrown off by the no gravity, whereas Jason would be like, okay, cool, I've lived in water for a long time. This is just like swimming.

SPEAKER_05 52:36

That's a great point.

SPEAKER_01 52:37

So I don't think it would give him as much pause as it would Peach Fuzz. That's true.

SPEAKER_05 52:43

Yeah, and not that we can bring in later feats, but Jason does do great in space.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

I I think it's gotta be Jason. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 52:51

All right, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_05 52:52

Honorable mention Peach Fuzz.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Peach Fuzz. Okay. Next up, Hannibal versus Maniac Cop.

unknown 52:59

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05 53:00

Alright, uh, Dan, where are we fighting?

SPEAKER_04 53:02

They are going to be fighting in a suburban neighborhood.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

A classic.

SPEAKER_05 53:07

Okay, Maniac Cop basically survives his own autopsy.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Maniac cop survives in an yeah, autopsy, he's buried, he's burned, he's shot. He's a maniac. But the question is, if Hannibal were to somehow subdue him, which I don't think he could, if he were, and he were to eat his brain. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:24

He would certainly do that.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

With his function.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

He would get, yeah. But he would defeat him. He would. I agree though, it's like, how do you possibly sub get close enough to subdue him? Unless he like poisons his food because Hannibal is quite smart.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

This is true. Hannibal is quite smart. And in the second maniac cop movie, Maniacop enters a pseudo-gay relationship with a man, a serial killer. Do we think Hannibal could romance Maniacop?

SPEAKER_00 53:50

He could romance anything.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

I don't know what's going on in Maniac Cop too with that weird subplot with that second serial killer that like falls in love with Maniac Cop. I loved it. I loved every second of it.

SPEAKER_00 54:00

But it's a it's good. It's good for us to talk about it. But relevant here.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Yeah, this is what the people need to hear. We do know that Maniacop can befriend people. Right. At least for a short amount of time.

SPEAKER_04 54:14

But Maniac Cop knows he needs to kill Hannibal.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

This is true. But Hannibal is one of the world's leading seductresses and thinkers.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

And the psychologist. So would he be able to get to the mental Could he treat Maniac Cop?

SPEAKER_05 54:29

Ooh, Maniac Copia's because he feels he's been wronged. Exactly. I mean, because he was wronged.

unknown 54:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:35

They murdered him for something.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Well, they put him in jail, and then the people he put in jail murdered him.

SPEAKER_05 54:40

But he why did he get put in jail?

SPEAKER_01 54:42

I feel like something happened. Was it he was got like a I'm trying to remember if he was like a little rough with a criminal and then they like put it, they set him up for it. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Only they did that. Now it's just a little rough.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

I can't remember what it was.

SPEAKER_04 54:56

I only watched the second. I didn't watch the first one.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

I did watch the first one. I just can't I know he was set up.

SPEAKER_05 55:01

Yeah, he I know he was he was definitely set up. I'm trying to remember if it was like if he was completely innocent and framed, but I don't remember. Not that it really matters. Uh Hannibal's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Okay, yep. And then he became a corrupt. I think Hannibal takes it.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Really? I think he's so smart. He like he's the smartest villain here.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

But the time it would take. So if Maniac Cop knows that he needs to kill Hannibal, the time it takes Hannibal to get to Maniac Cop and to start talking at him actually again? In a suburb?

SPEAKER_05 55:36

Yeah, yeah. Suburban neighborhood.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Yeah, so he doesn't have a great place to be safe, I guess, while he has this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Yeah, because I I I feel like as soon as Maniac Cop sees Hannibal, he shoots him.

SPEAKER_04 55:47

But he's a master of disguise, as we see in in the end of Silence of the Lambs. He's quite good at at like blending in. But then puts on that little fedories, basically invisible.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

But I feel like in the second maniac cop, Maniacop stops killing just corrupt people. He just kind of kills people. So I don't know if he would care about the people in the suburbs.

SPEAKER_05 56:07

It's a it's a tough call because like Hannibal could start taking hostages. Like the the how there's people in the houses.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

Yeah, but I don't think Maniacop cares.

SPEAKER_05 56:14

He is a maniac cop.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

Uh like and in the second one, someone is robbing a like convenience store and he shoots the guy in the convenience store, not the robber.

SPEAKER_05 56:22

Yeah, there's there's some dubious.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

So he is killing innocent people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:26

It's complicated. If Hannibal's good at manipulating any kind of person, it is law enforcement officials.

SPEAKER_05 56:32

Great point. Great point. So but how would Hannibal take out Maniac Cop?

SPEAKER_01 56:37

That's the question. Is that well, I guess after manipulating him, he'd just eat him.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Yeah, but I guess if he doesn't have poison on him, right? Because we have but he's in a super neighborhood. He's got Draeno. Yeah. Yeah. So he's just Draeno's gonna take out another one. I think he would poison him.

SPEAKER_05 56:52

Or he could push him into the pool.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

Is Maniac Cop immune to poison? No. He can swim Maniac Cop. He goes underwater in the truck in this in the first one. Oh no. Alright. Because I just think I think that Hannibal would be able to outsmart Maniac Cop. I just think Maniac Cop is almost impossible to kill. And then the time we figure that out.

SPEAKER_05 57:12

There is a world where Hannibal convinces him to kill himself.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

But how?

SPEAKER_05 57:18

Just oh I mean he did it to the guy next to him.

SPEAKER_01 57:21

No, I mean how does Maniacop kill himself?

SPEAKER_05 57:24

Like he's not immortal. He's just stupidly durable. He just shrugs off into. Could he hang himself? I think if he wants, like, you know, if the plot demanded he kill himself, I think he could.

SPEAKER_04 57:36

Hannibal convinces his cellmate to k to hang himself. Yes. If Hannibal could do that to Maniac Cop, and we presume that Maniac Cop needs oxygen. Everybody needs to breathe.

SPEAKER_00 57:48

At this point, it's just about how much time he has to do that.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

And I just feel like if by the time Hannibal approaches Maniac Cop, I think Maniac Cop just acts and just kills him. Hannibal is just a guy.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

Alright, vote. 3-2-1. Who thinks Hannibal would win? Oh, we're tied to the city. No, it's a tie.

SPEAKER_05 58:05

We haven't finished voting.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

Okay. 3-2-1, who thinks Maniac Cop would win?

SPEAKER_05 58:10

Oh, we're tied.

SPEAKER_00 58:12

So we are at a bit of a standstill, I would say, between Hannibal and Maniac Cop. So we've we've texted Kate's dad, who is the only person any of us knew that would have watched these movies and knew what was going on enough to vote. That's all the credentials required, really.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

Um his response was I said who would win in the fight, Maniac Cop or Hannibal Lecter? And he said Maniac Cop, super strong and undead, and police training. Police training. Which is probably the first time I've heard my dad use police training as a positive.

SPEAKER_04 58:44

Do we think we have a deciding vote?

SPEAKER_05 58:48

That is the deciding vote.

SPEAKER_04 58:49

And we're not arguing.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

So Maniac Cop has more cop ones.

unknown 58:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:52

You voted for Maniac Cop.

SPEAKER_04 58:54

I know. What's going on? While I was during the break, we got to eat and reset a little bit. I had to. And your senses came back to you.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Well, we could do a revote.

SPEAKER_04 59:02

No, because the I I think we've all right.

SPEAKER_00 59:05

Alright, we've settled. All right, Kate.

SPEAKER_01 59:06

Next, next pairing. Next up, we've got Jigsaw. Okay. Versus five zombies from Dawn of the Dead.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

That's so good.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

So we've got a cancer-riddled old man versus five of the lamest zombies I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 59:27

That can't like follow direction. Hang on, hang on.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Where's this?

SPEAKER_04 59:30

Yeah, where is this happening? Most importantly, they have to fight at a graveyard, which I think puts Jigsaw at a decent disadvantage.

SPEAKER_05 59:39

There's not a lot of tools to build traps.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

True. It's just the thing is that I'm watching okay, so I watched Dawn of the Dead. I rewatched it for this because I hadn't seen it in years. Any zombie that you can get close enough to punch in the face, which happens multiple times in this movie, they are punching zombies, is a really bad zombie. They're very bad zombies. It just hit them. But Jigsaw is short. Is he? He's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:03

We're talking about the guy. Yeah, the puppet's on heavy.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:07

He's got his choice in animals. He does have his equipment, so he has the puppet with tricycle. That makes a big difference. He has a TV with a VHS take.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:18

And a recording of him proposing a puzzle. He has a camera so he can make the video. Nothing was made ahead of time.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

Like he can't, he hasn't set up any traps in the screen. Oh, oh, question. Yeah. And I don't know. We're doing Day of the Dead, so there's no point in this. But to not to bring in the whole other movie. In World War Z, they argue that the zombies don't go after people who are already sick. Are we gonna give that to other zombies as well? No, they're they don't they're just too stupid to realize they shouldn't inhabit.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

They are absolute idiots.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

And okay, then I think the in I really thought these zombies would go out faster because they're awful zombies, but I think jigsaw.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:58

I mean, all you guys do is find one open grave and just lure them on the other side and they'll just fall into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

But like that's what they'll fall like three feet into the ground. Six feet. Yeah, I don't think they could get out.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

TKO by he could just cover them with dirt slowly.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:14

Yeah, it would take a while, but he could do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

Okay. They're really bad zombies.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:17

They're really bad zombies.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

Okay, so Jigsaw.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

Okay. All right. Wow. And he's I mean, does he have his oxygen tank?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:23

Yeah, sure. Okay. Jigsaw took out Freddie Krueger last year. Or last time.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:27

Jigsaw took out Freddie Kruger?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:30

Uh because I really like Jigsaw.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

Did you re-listen or do you remember that?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:33

I don't remember that. Because Pete Pete was mad at me though.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

Because that's insane.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:38

A friend of ours was not thrilled. My my well, the thing was that I assumed if they went into a dream that he would come up with a scenario in his dream that would kill Freddie Kruger.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

It was like talking lucid dream? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:54

But I stand by it and I like Jigsaw and I want him to make it to as many rounds as possible.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:59

That's fair. I think in this case the zombies are so bad. Yeah, give it to Jigsaw. Alright. So we have two more uh first rounds here. Yep. Okay, next up.

Pinhead Vs Candyman Then Upsets

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

Candyman versus Pinhead.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

That's a good matchup.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:15

Alright, where's it happening?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:16

They are fighting in a haunted insane asylum.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:19

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Oh, I thought wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:22

This would be this is the movie we gotta make.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

A lot of layers to this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

Yeah. Pinhead is alone.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

Pinhead is alone. He's the only cinnabite there. Yep. Uh his starting equipment, he does have the puzzle box. Okay. So if Candyman manipulated it, he could send him back, but Candyman only has one hand.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:42

This is true.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:43

He's not solving a puzzle.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:44

One of the least likely people to try and pick up a puzzle box.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:47

Second only to Jaws.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

And we're and both have been, I mean, we're not basing off of any summoning laws on either of them. They're both there. They're both. They're both there.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:57

They can both be unsummoned, but they are both there.

unknown 1:03:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:01

And they both want to be there to win.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

And they both have the abilities they have when summoned.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:05

How does one unsummon Candyman?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

I don't think you can. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:08

I think you You just die.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

You either summon him away, perhaps.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:12

Maybe. But I feel like in the in both Candymans, he is summoned by one person who he chooses. That's going to be the long game. And then he's summoned numerous times by other people. But that is a good question. If someone were to summon Candyman during this fight, would he have to leave, or do you think he could put a pause on that? Is there a time limit on when he has to murder the person who summons? Does, yeah, does even if he has to leave, he still has to come back. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

Does Pinhead have a cell phone? Because then he could call someone to summon Candy.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:38

How is he gonna hold a cell phone up? He's got the pin sticking out. Speakerphone.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:42

Speakerphone. Yeah. You're right. AirPods.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

Well, I guess in in this case, you either have to Oh, well, okay, if we're giving Pinhead the disadvantage of having his puzzle box, which could be used to unsummon him, does Candyman also have his mirror that can be used to destroy him? Yeah. Because in the second one, the mirror Okay. So it's just kind of a battle of who can get their hands on the other object fast enough. Can who's a faster sprinter? Do they each know the other the object?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:10

We never see Candyman move. No. He just teleports around.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

He's just Yeah, he just kind of stands there and learns. Well, okay, is Pinhead because Pinhead is human, technically.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:17

Yeah, Pinhead, but he's a floater.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

He is a floater. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:22

We're losing both hooks at once at the end of this.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:25

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:25

We've got hook hand versus chained. Yeah. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:28

I mean Oh, I was gonna say, because uh Pinhead can kill you from afar if he sends out his Candyman in the second Candyman movie only ever kills people by stabbing them from behind.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:40

Yes. And that that's when they're like in a mirror. So if they are starting away from each other, the only way that Candyman can appear near Pinhead is if he's summoned. Or I guess if he just casually walks.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:52

And unless you remind Pinhead he's a human, can he really die if he were to be stabbed?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:58

Same deal. Would he enjoy it? Well, you could certainly, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

Well, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:03

Yeah, you could fuck up his body enough where he you get a TKO, but he can't kill him, kill him.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:07

Yeah. I mean, Candyman, you know, generational trauma. Could easily bring up World War two or one that Pinhead is from. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

You think that Candyman could remind Pinhead of his trauma enough to get him to turn back into a person?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:21

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Because he doesn't have that basis.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:24

Does Candyman even know about it?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

But you don't know that in the first movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:29

They've only seen the first movie? They've seen the first movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:33

Anyone has a beef with the British colonial power. It's candy man.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:39

This is quite the tangent. Um I think he's gonna hit him with the fish hooks.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

I think from far I think I think Penhead wins this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

But he can send the bees, which are gonna do nothing. Yeah, he's covered in the middle. He likes it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

But I think ticklish to him. How do you have to kill? I guess like, are the hooks just gonna Rip Candy Man's body apart enough that he can. Okay. But then yeah, I guess Pinhead.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:04

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Even though Pinhead isn't like the main villain in the second one.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:07

No, he's not. It's a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

They make him like a victim.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

Last matchup. Okay. I don't even know who's left. Last matchup of the first rounds. Yeah, you know one group that's left. We got Pumpkinhead.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:19

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

Versus five gremlins.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

Okay, we have Pumpkin Head versus Five Gremlins. And where are they fighting?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:28

Hillbilly Swamp, Hillbilly Swamp. Oh, so close. Spring break beach town.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:33

So close to Hillbury.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:36

So I will say the Gremlins will thrive in Springbreak Beach Town. Oh, yeah. Chaos everywhere. Yeah. Only second to daytime mall. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:44

This is true.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:45

Okay. Uh this is not quite the straightforward matchup or the slaughter fest that I was expecting, because in Gremlins 2, they're not just like little little buggers. They they have some abilities.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

Some of them have abilities. So are we saying they have the like have they drank the genetic serums that give them the abilities in this matchup? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Tell us, tell us some of their abilities. Okay. So the main abilities are one gets really, really smart. So he gets very like cunning and manipulative. He can talk. He can figure things out. He can out smart people. That didn't really serve Hannibal well. This is true. This is true. One becomes a woman. Okay. So like up there. Um, and one becomes a being of pure energy. Like electricity. Sorry, being of pure electricity. Okay. So it has electrical powers. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:33

But can it okay? So it can like shock water. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:37

I think we're we're forgetting that we're at a beaks beachside spring break party festival.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Which is very sunny and the gremlins cannot go into sunlight.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:45

But it's it's nighttime.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:46

It's nighttime?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:47

It's nighttime unless specified.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

But this seems like it would be daytime. I I agree. Yeah, like I feel like you see spring break, you think sunny. Yeah. It's always sunny during spring break. Always.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:57

Okay, okay. Especially at days. I'll allow it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:59

Yeah, great.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:00

Okay, but so it's but they could go into daytime.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:05

Yeah, they can be inside.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:06

They can hide. Can they hide long enough? Can they hide 12 hours for it to get dark?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:09

Well, they don't need to. If if if they're these are gremlins, right? Yes. They want to have a good time. This is true. They take over a seaside bar. Uh-huh. They're playing loud music, throwing glasses across the room, in walks Pumpkinhead.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:27

I forgot Pumpkinhead was here, honestly. We've been talking about the Gremlins for so long.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

The gremlins fight on themselves. Pumpkinhead is invulnerable, super strong. Who summoned Pumpkinhead? Did one of the Gremlins summon Pumpkinhead? Uh we did.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:43

Well, the question the question is if that's why I was asking before, because some of these people strive, like they thrive basically just on their rules. Like Pumpkinhead seeks only revenge, but in this case, we're saying he's bypassing that. Yeah, yeah. And he is now just trying to kill the gremlins.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:56

Yeah, we'll say one of the gremlins took his wallet.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Question is can Pumpkinhead tilt his head far enough down to see the Gremlins?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:03

In base state? No.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:06

Dude, I feel like his anatomy wouldn't allow him to reach the size of Gremlins.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:12

Yes, at first, but because there's water everywhere, all they have to do is get wet and they get back.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:17

You're right.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:18

And they turn into their like super combat mode.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:21

This is true. They just have to eat, get wet.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:24

Oh, they have to eat. So there's spring break.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:26

There's food everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:28

There are five of these Kremlins.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

Soon to be more.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:31

Yes. I think Pumpkin Head doesn't do well against numbers. I think he's very zoned in. I think he would try and attack one of them and then get shanked from behind.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:41

He's kind of a juggernaut.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:43

But how do you kill him? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:44

I mean just constant abuse from energy shocks. I don't know. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:49

You could do that, you could do the electric shocks, or I guess if you get enough gremlins, I'm like picturing 50 gremlins jumping on. Jumping on pumpkin head and just like eating him. I think he would just eat them.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:02

What happens when you put a gremlin in the ocean?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

Yeah, they're gonna be like they're gonna be so many of them multiplying.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:09

You would get a tsunami of gremlins.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:13

I'm just like well, there's gonna be well now we've entered the world where there's more than five of them. Yeah. So like if there's like 70 of them, could they over? But I guess you could just kind of like He's so strong. Yeah, he's very strong, and he's really really hard to kill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:30

Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

So But he's also a person.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:32

I'm reminded of my time in Costa Rica.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:35

Okay. Sure. Tell us.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:37

Watching a giant armored scorpion have to fight off hundreds of ants. And it went on for like hours. And like the ants can't do anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:45

And then you watched it for hours?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:47

No, like we saw it happening in the beginning and then we came back. And by the very end of it, like the scorpion was in pieces. Because they all they have to do is get like the little like they just gnaw their little teeth into his joints.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:01

But we did sort of make a little bit of a leap, which is that we're saying the gremlins hang out inside a bar.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:07

Yes. Obviously.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

Wait until nighttime. Yes. Then reproduce. But but the pumpkin head could come into the bar. Oh, you're saying they're they have water, so they can like will beer count?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:18

Sure. Yeah, they've they have running water. They have a sink. The New York Times.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

But is it just water or they just can't get wet?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:23

You just can't get wet.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

So if someone's like pouring body shots on them.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:26

Ooh, cake stand.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:28

Yeah, there's a lot of liquids flying around at spring break. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:31

That's true. That's true. Abby would know.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:35

I've actually never been to spring break, but I've seen the videos. The videos? The videos.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

Of my friends when they went to spring break. Gremlins on spring break. Yeah. I don't. It's tricky because pumpkin head is so big, and I feel like he could just step on them or pop them in his mouth. But I also feel like he's really stupid, and if there's enough gremlins, they could just overtake his whole body.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:58

Don't see him killing all five before one the smart one is like, oh shit, let me run and reproduce.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:04

Yeah. Or the girl.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:08

Like I said, the smart one.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:12

Okay. Now let's vote. All in favor of the gremlins. Raise your hand. All right. So unfortunate.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:19

So for everyone who wasn't in the room, everyone just voted for gremlins.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

So, question now for the next round, is it five gremlins or is it 70 gremlins? I think it's five gremlins with the idea that they can still reproduce. Okay. We have officially gone through our first round.

Round One Recap And Next Week Tease

SPEAKER_00 1:12:37

Let us recap where we are, and then we will continue on towards the finals. In a match of Mike Myers versus Xenomorph, the Xenomorph took it. One rage virus infected failed against Predator. Creature failed against Tallman. Leatherface failed against the crocodile. Chucky failed against the collar.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:57

Maybe some people can win. Give us your ranking out of out of seven.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:06

Ghostface failed against Megan. Freddie Krueger failed against the invisible man. Crazy. Norman Bates failed against the T-800. Death Angel failed against the Creeper. Pearl failed against the bride. Jaws failed against Leprechaun. Peach Fuzz failed against Jason. Hannibal failed against Maniac Cop. Five Zombies failed against Jigsaw. Candyman failed against Pinhead. And Pumpkinhead somehow failed against five gremlins. So on that cliffhanger, we are going to pause here, let you all take that in, maybe watch some of these movies. And next week we will come back with the thrilling conclusion and your ultimate villain champion of the scary scuffle sequel. Thank you all so much for being here. Stay spooky, stay well. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.