Episode 204 - The Ultimate Horror Sequel Villain: The Scary Scuffle Sequel Part 2

The Scary Scuffle reaches its bloody finale!

In Part Two of our horror villain tournament, the remaining sequel monsters and villains face off in a series of one-on-one battles to determine who will be crowned the ultimate champion. Every matchup is judged on strength, abilities, durability, intelligence, and, of course, their overall potential to ruin your day.

Abby is joined by Dan Roberts and Kate Rotunda as we break down the final matchups, argue for our picks, and decide which horror sequel villain deserves the title.

Who will survive the bracket? Who will be eliminated? And who will walk away as the winner of the second-ever Scary Scuffle?

Let the final fights begin.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:18

Hello,

Welcome Back And Bracket Regrets

SPEAKER_03 0:19

everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Lunatics Radio Hour Podcast. My name is Abby Branker, and I am sitting here as always with Alan Kudan. Hello. We are also joined again by our friends Kate Rotunda and Dan Roberts.

SPEAKER_04 0:32

It's so good to see you guys again. So good to see you.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

We are picking up our conversation on pitting some of the most violent villains from horror sequels against each other to find the ultimate villain. Today we are continuing the scary scuffle, the sequel.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

I I want to say I've been ruminating on this all week.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

And I do think that we made an error and that Jaws should have killed Leprechaun.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

It's not the gremlins versus pumpkin head. No, that was a good one. Have you stuck it? That one was we're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

No one is no one's turmoil.

SPEAKER_04 1:02

The caller advanced. We had a lot of upsets last we were here.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

There's a lot of I still can't believe Invisible Man beats Freddie Krueger. So I think we've all got ones that we're Yeah. We're kicking ourselves. We gotta move on.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Here we are. Okay, so today we are now in the semifinals and we are going to see this thing through. Shall we kick it off? Let's do it. Let's go.

Xenomorph vs Predator At Clifftop Lab

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The first pairing. One that I would say perhaps is a tale as old as time. Xenomorph versus Predator. Alien versus Predator. And where will they be fighting, Dan?

SPEAKER_04 1:34

They'll be fighting at a clifftop laboratory.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

Ooh. Okay. Take it away.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

I have not seen Alien versus Predator, but we're not taking that into account anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

We're not. I'm trying to erase that part.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

I actually don't know who wins in that, so I feel like I'm not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

No matter who wins, we lose.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

That's right. Movie taglines.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:52

I feel like anytime I feel like if it's what it's one xenomorph, it's one xenomorph. No predator.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

I think it's so hard because the acid blood really, really gets you, but predator has No, because the aliens are smart too. They like camouflage knowingly. They have the fancy spaceships. They're not just wild animals.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Predators hunt aliens for five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

This is true, you're right. They have their little skulls on the wall. Yeah, I guess Predator has to take it. Predator for the win. He's still just beat by a cop in the 90s. It's so crazy.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

So by the transitive property, Danny Glover could take out a xenomorph.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

I guess technically, yes. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

The only question is Ripley versus Danny Glover, who wins that. Oh, Ripley. Yeah. I mean. Did she get the suit? No, I think even without it.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

But even without it.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

I think hand-to-hand combat she wins. Yeah. She's the best.

Lake Placid Croc vs Tall Man

SPEAKER_03 2:46

Okay, we have Croc from Lake Placid 2 versus Tall Man from Phantasm 2. It's kind of similar. Very similar. I think I think if we end up going off of our previously established. Well, we gotta know where they are. Oh yeah, tell us.

SPEAKER_04 3:01

They're over at the lakeside summer camp. Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Oh, everything's different. We still have not decided if Tallman can swim.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

That's true. I don't know. I don't know. If the man is a silver lake. I think he can swim in like a way any other person can swim.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Any other like eight-foot tall person. Like Alan swims pretty poorly, and that's how I'm picturing this.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

That's correct.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Okay. Like he can like he can't really tread water for very long. So I think the croc has an advantage.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Well, I think in Lake Placid 2, the croc is killed with a machete, and that's basically what that big spear is at its lowest. It's very similar to the creature. I think it's the same. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

The the thing is, if the if the crocodile. Crocodile is an alligator. Croc.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

I think it's a crocodile.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

So if the crocodile can sweep, this is important.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Yeah, because we've been referring to it as a croc the whole time. It might be an alligator. I don't know the difference. What's the difference again? Something with their noses.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

They're just different animals.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Like visually, visually there's no different things.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

Yeah, they look different on their faces. They're snouts.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

People are gonna be really mad.

SPEAKER_04 4:07

Surprisingly, not very not like the first thing on the wet Wikipedia page. Uh crocodile.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Okay, good. Which is the first thing that's gonna be. I was gonna say people were gonna be really mad at us if we've been saying croc this whole time. No, we're good.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Furious. If yeah, it so the the the tall man has a lot of things at his disposal.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

You know, if he knows where the croc is, he takes it. Uh he can just do his little range things. I don't think the crocodile can dodge. No, no, no. The little drilly things that drain all your blood. But if the crocodile can ambush him.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

But we don't really know much about his durability, do we? No. I mean, I guess at a certain point anything can rip something up.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

He's attacked by his little silver ball. Yeah, he gets hit by his own thing and drains a bunch of shit out of his head.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Crocodiles can't do that.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

And well, well, I'm aware of.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

The little silver ball is kind of like a crocodile's teeth. It's got like those like that rotate.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

I think the little silver ball ball is just so overpowered to the extent where like n it's if he has that, I have a hard time imagining most things beating him.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

I can I'm picturing the tall man kind of walking back and forth on like the the lake side, and then the croc just wanting to eat him so bad that he just runs out, charges, and then the silver ball just goes right through his head.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah, because he's stabbed in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

Yeah, he gets stabbed with a like a tiny knife. It's a machete. A knife and a rapier.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of the croc.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Yeah, no, I'm saying in in that one, he stabbed with both a big knife through its bottom mouth, and at one point that guy stabs him just in the neck with a normal like hand knife.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

So the I think the only way the croc takes this is if he just ambushes the tall man, and I don't see that happening.

SPEAKER_04 5:49

No, no. Okay. Because he has to wait.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

He can just wait on the he could even leave the camp within if there's any other people there, he can or bodies anywhere. He can get minions and then lure the croc with bait.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

True. All right. In

Caller vs M3GAN At The Mall

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our southeastern division, we have the collar versus Megan. Well, where are they?

SPEAKER_04 6:14

They're gonna be fighting at a daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Megan really likes her favorite venue.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Um, well Megan. It's it's Megan. Yeah. Because also the second he picks up a phone, a modern iPhone, she's in it.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Literally, Megan's Megan's job is to protect children, and the collar is strictly about she kills a child in the first movie. Well, no, I mean like like the West Pacific child. Like she's like she is like the greatest babysitter of all time.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

Yeah, but it it would are we assigning her the one child or all the children in the daytime shopping mall? Because she's fine killing kids as long as they're not the ones she's at she's protecting.

SPEAKER_04 6:53

Well, I'm just saying the collar's only thing is like trying to kill babysitters or deal or like get like I see. If anyone is equipped to take out the collar, it's I feel like Megan.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

Yeah, I think it's Megan. Yeah, it's Megan. Just Alan, any rebuttal?

SPEAKER_00 7:07

No, I I think as soon as the caller calls Megan.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Even if it's a landline, which it is, because he doesn't even know what any other phones are. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Um They got landlines in this daytime shopping mall. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah, they got some he's calling a store, right? So so no, he goes to a store, uses the phone.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

Yeah. Does the store still have a landline or do they have like a house iPhone?

Landlines Spam And Voice Throwing

SPEAKER_03 7:27

My office has a landline? Interesting. I I want I would like a landline here. And we keep fighting about it.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yeah, I think it's nice. I have a landline at my house, but no one picks it up anymore. Like my parents' house. My parents' house has one. I'd love one at my apartment, but my parents' house has one, and it's we never pick it up anymore because it's just spam.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

It's just spam. That's all you get on landlines now.

SPEAKER_04 7:47

I have a landline, I briefly had a landline for a very specific reason. It was constant spam calls, and very, very rarely the caller would breathe heavily into it and tell me that I needed to check the children, and I don't have any children.

SPEAKER_03 8:02

What was the specific reason to pick up for the caller?

SPEAKER_04 8:07

Yeah, so I could hear from myself. Um no, the I live in an apartment building that that in order to open the front door, you needed a phone number with a specific area code. And my cell phone doesn't have that area code.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

You can get a landline you can attach your iPhone to. Now we're talking. Yeah. They have my friends one.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

So as soon as the caller calls Megan, which of course he's going to because that's all he does.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

She's gonna trace the call, find out where he is, all his stealth is out the window.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Yeah. And he's just a guy.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

And then yeah, like he's might throw a nice right right hook and break his hand on her.

SPEAKER_04 8:44

Yep. This is like a technical question that I don't know that any of us know. But when a ventriloquist makes noise sound like it's coming from somewhere else, can techno like would a microphone, maybe you do could a microphone pick it up, like would it pick it up from where he's making the no like where he's throwing his voice?

SPEAKER_00 9:03

I don't know if throwing your voice is like a real thing.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

I think it is, but not so far as that if you were to do it into the microphone. I think you can a little bit make it sound like it's not coming from you, but not to the extent where if you were right in front of a microphone like this, like it's still coming out of your mouth.

SPEAKER_04 9:20

But he's I mean, we're talking about a movie. He was in the living room making it sound like he was on the other side of the door.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Sure. Which is very impossible without technology. Yeah. And she is technology.

SPEAKER_04 9:32

But he I mean, these are movies. Yes. We could say he's got a superpower.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

He's got the sure. He can make his voice come from an that's fine. She's gonna find him with a Megan's still winning. Megan's gonna find him with thermal vision. That's fine.

unknown 9:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

There's cameras everywhere in the daytime shopping mall. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

If she gets frustrated enough, she'll just kill every single person until they're all gone.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Alan, we've been talking about what our next round of merch is gonna be. It's just daytime mall. It's gonna be daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Then a bunch of like dead bodies in a daytime shopping mall. You gotta count how many times we say that.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

There is a mall horror movie that I've seen. Chopping mall. Yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

There's no sequel.

SPEAKER_04 10:10

But that's not daytime.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Is there a sequel, the chopping mall? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

No way. I don't know. Not worth talking about here.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

There was.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

So Megan takes that. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

We're not returning to the channel. Wait, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_03 10:20

I already wrote it down. How? The Invisible

Invisible Man vs T-800 In Graveyard

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Man versus T 800. Well, I don't think of in Dan.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

A graveyard.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

In a graveyard. Okay. Um T 100 can for sure see him still, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:38

I'm trying to think if he has thermal vision. I don't think so. I don't think so. So I don't think he can see him, but I also don't think the invisible man can do anything to him.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

I think he does have thermal vision. When he lands, because he lands in the parking lot, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:51

And then he I thought there's like scanning, it's all red. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

It's naked.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah, I think it's just monochronic.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

Okay. I see what you're saying. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

It identifies people. I don't know if it'll identify an invisible person, but regardless, I don't know what the invisible man could possibly do to a T-800.

SPEAKER_05 11:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

He could dig a hole, lure him into the hole.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Uh-huh. The zombie approach.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

I th start putting some dirt on his head.

SPEAKER_04 11:14

I think the T-800 can get out of a hole. He survives a motorcycle accident in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

I mean, by the time he gets it doesn't make you a good climber.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

How would he lure him into the hole though?

SPEAKER_03 11:26

He would stand on the other side and make himself uninvisible.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

And he would use a shotgun.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Yeah, turn the invisibility off.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

That's what I would do. He can put glasses on.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Yeah, he can put an article of clothing on.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

And then get shot.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

Throw him the yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I think sprinkle some dirt on his own head.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

I feel like Terminather, I don't know if he has thermal vision. I feel like somehow he he'd probably be able to hear him. There's some way Terminator would be able to sense him. Even if again, even if he cannot like he's just gonna like reach around until eventually he gets him with the reach around.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

He would eventually strangle him.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

The only way that like the invisible man can survive this is if he hides. And I do think there's a limited amount of places because I think the terminator will never give up.

SPEAKER_04 12:09

Never surrender.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

One of them would die of thirst and hunger. Exactly. Well, not thirst because there's water features in the graveyard. Uh but there's not much to eat except jerky. Is that the bodies?

SPEAKER_03 12:20

Portable water?

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Probably not. It's from a graveyard.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

Okay, so T 800? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

I think we're all right. Here we

Creeper vs Bride In Asylum

SPEAKER_03 12:29

go. This is this one's gonna break my heart.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

We have creeper versus the bride. Bride of Frankenstein. Obviously.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

Where are they? They're in a haunted insane asylum.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Now the bride is dead. Is she friends with ghosts?

SPEAKER_04 12:43

If anyone in the world.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

That's not canon. I feel like a lot of things we're saying aren't canon. Yeah, I think the I think the Creeper could just tear her apart. I think so too.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

And he can then even take body parts from her.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Yeah. R.I.P. Are dead body parts though of any use to him? That's what I was thinking. I don't think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 13:02

We've said before that rationale is not part. Like like he just wants to kill regardless of the city. He'll kill regardless.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

That's not a that's not a problem. But just in general, I don't think he'd gain anything from it.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

I think he could just use his little throwing stars and it they would do enough damage.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

That and also I just think he could grab her and rip her apart. She's like sewn together.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Yeah. Oh, he loves to stitch.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

He does love to stitch. Maybe he'd admire her for a moment.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Maybe, but he's also Maybe they'd also kiss.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Maybe they'd kiss.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

And then Frankenstein shows up to sorry, Frankenstein's monster shows up to out of jealousy.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

So is the bride of Frankenstein the bride of the Dr. Frankenstein that they don't specify in the title that she's the bride of Frankenstein's monster?

SPEAKER_03 13:42

I know. So man's world, Kate.

Leprechaun Magic vs Jason Voorhees

SPEAKER_03 13:45

Alright, next up we have Leprechaun versus Jason Voorhees.

unknown 13:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:50

Leprechaun will be fighting Jason Voorhees at his home turf of Lakeside Summer Camp.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Oh. Is Jason stronger when he's on Lakeside Summer City turf? No.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

Not in this, not in those movies. 15% combat efficiency.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

In later movies, there is something about like he's been away from the lake for too long, he's losing his something. But that doesn't matter here. No.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Again, I just think the leprechaun's magic is basically limitless if you don't have the like mental ability to manipulate him out of it.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

And Jason certainly doesn't. He doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Is his machete wrought iron? Ooh. I don't think machetes are wrought iron. That would be so heavy. No, that'd be crazy and very brittle.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Will Jason get him drunk?

unknown 14:35

No.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

No. No, probably not. Would he steal his gold? No.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Would he say bless you to someone before they sneeze three times in a row? Every time he speaks.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

Since I watch this movie, every time somebody sneezes, I I like mutter, God bless you, just in case.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

Really got into your head, huh? Alright, so we're giving it to old Lepi? I I did think so. Old Lepi? Old Lepi.

SPEAKER_04 15:01

Like a dog.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

That's his name. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 15:03

Old Leppy. For the record, I think Leprechaun would summon, would be able to summon Pamela Voorhees' sweater.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

And then, yeah, I absolutely think so. I think he could probably make himself look because he makes himself look like the girl in it.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Yeah, he well, I mean, he would basically just dress up as Pamela.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Yeah, he doesn't even have to dress up. I think he can shape shift.

unknown 15:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

But I think he would for comedic effects.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

And Jason would still be confused.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

He would. Maybe he'd be like Pamela's sweater, Pamela's head on his tiny little body.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

Yeah. He would just turn into Pamela Voorhees.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

But the size of a leprechaun.

SPEAKER_04 15:38

Well, he would make the remember in the second movie, he like makes the guy like try to kiss like a razor that's going like this. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Great point. Great point.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

I just had an idea. Who's kissing in this one? Yeah, who's kissing in this one? That we should send out before these come out the blank bracket with just the initial pair-up so people could fill them in and then see if they agree with us.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

I'm gonna do it and see if I agree with what we said.

SPEAKER_04 16:08

I'm just gonna freak out by the time we post. I did have a pick. I did have a person. An ultimate winner pick? Yeah. And I did not, they're already out. Oh, was it Jaws? It was not Jaws.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Who was it?

SPEAKER_04 16:20

Uh it was Candyman.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Interesting. I wouldn't miss him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

Okay, next up. Let's get the venue first.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

Fighting in the hillbilly swamp. There. Always good. Great.

Jigsaw Traps vs Maniac Cop

SPEAKER_03 16:31

We have Jigsaw versus the Maniac cop. Well, okay, come on, guys.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Uh, okay. So even if the maniac cop gives J uh Jigsaw like uh a few weeks to build a to build a trap. I think he's still getting out of it.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

I just think the maniac cop well, because the whole point of Jigsaw's trap is that you can escape.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

And the problem is that most of the time people their body shut down before they're able to finish cutting off their arm or ungluing themselves from a truck. Or they're too selfish. I don't think who gets glued to a truck. I think a Nazi.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Like genuinely, I think it's a Nazi.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Okay, so this one's really going in in uh in favor of Maniac Hop. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Um because also just like Maniacop one has a gun, two, Jigsaw is a man who's old and dying of cancer. But maybe if Maniac Hop does give him a couple weeks, he could have like his last hurrah of fucking with the hillbillies.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Sure. So the the That's nice. So Jigsaw's having like a nice little So Jigsaw gets some prep time while Maniac Cop deals with the Hillbillies.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Okay, sure. Well, what if we split the hillbillies in two groups? One Maniac Cop entertains himself with and the other group is put into a jigsaw trap. And then that way Jigsaw gets his last dying wish.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

And then he's killed by Maniac Cop. Great.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

The funny thing about Jigsaw though is because I'm trying to like, what would the hillbillies have done to end up being in a jigsaw trap? Because but they could do anything, because jigsaw traps range from you're a Nazi to you kind of cried about your son too much dying. Yeah. Like you were kind of too sad about your son's death for too long.

SPEAKER_04 18:16

You spent too much of your life. You're not appre any any lack of appreciation. For life. For life, would no matter how slight. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

You could like tweet, I'm kinda sad today, and you're you're in the jigsaw trap.

SPEAKER_04 18:28

You've spent too much time on your phone tweeting out your miseries when you could have been doing things to make it better.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

That probably would be a modern jigsaw reason for let your plants wither and die.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

AI has taken all your agency away, and now you're living for the machine.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

And then Minia Cop shoots him.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

And then Minia Cops shoots them. We have one final matchup in this second round. Ooh.

Pinhead vs Five Gremlins In Space

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Pinhead versus five gremlins. Okay, we're Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 18:58

They're gonna be fighting on the Derelic spaceship.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Oh no. Oh, where's the water feature there? Uh so there isn't this is the one that does not have a water feature.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

No, they all had to have water features.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Sure. Okay, so a pipe bursts, the lower decks are flooded. Yeah. Except there's no gravity. So there's water droplets everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

I'm like, how many chains does Pinhead have? If he has five chains, they're all gone.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

He's got enough.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

They're gone.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

He's got plenty.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Gremlins are gone.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Thank God. Honestly, the gremlins are so annoying to me. They're pissing Abby off that we let the gremlins be called Pinhead. They're so chaotic.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Okay. We unanimous Pinhead.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Well, hang on.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

I can't try to close your eyes and imagine five gremlins floating around a spaceship as if there's any agency there, as if they can do anything. Right, it kind of suspends there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Pinhead's gonna do great in zero gravity. Yeah, pinhead is basically yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

We've already established he's pure electric electricity. Yeah, but either way.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

So he might electrocute the chains, but they're not connected back to Pinhead.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

And also, even if they are, he's into that.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

But he will only attack those that have desire.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

They 100% have desire.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Yeah, they're little. They're little gremlins.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

They're so lustful.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

All right. And one's a girl now.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

So which is yeah, game over.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

So

The Top Eight Enter The Arena

SPEAKER_03 20:17

we are now in, I don't know how to call this if it's a semifinal, a quarter final, but we're in the fourth round now. Or no, we're in the third round now.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

This is the bi-annual final.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

So we're going to let me read you our top eight, and then we will go from here. In reverse order. Pinhead, maniac cop, old leppy, creeper, predator, tall man, Megan, and a T-800. Damn. That's our top eight.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

And they're all gonna fight simultaneously.

unknown 20:45

No.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

No.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

God in a daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Dan, if you would please give us a venue. It's the daytime shopping.

Predator vs Tall Man In Mall

SPEAKER_03 20:55

All right. For Megan and the T 800. For Predator and the Tall Man. We are in a daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

This one's hard. So Predator would go invisible.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Oh, I forgot Predator is invisible.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

And unlike the invisible man, he can turn it off.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

He can't turn it off.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

And Tallman is very easy to see in a crowd because he's very tall.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

He is very tall.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

We know that Tallman's pretty hard to kill.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

But Predator has space weapons.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

He does. He's got his little his little shoulder cannon.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Which is kind of like the question of like the whole Buffy thing where it's the one guy that can't get killed by weapons, and she's like, well, that was in the past. And she blows him up with a bazooka. Is it like kind of the same thing?

SPEAKER_00 21:38

I mean, there's nothing that says he can't be killed by weapons, though.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

This is true, but I'm saying, like, we're arguing that tall man's hard to kill in a world of a child and his like teenage boy. Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Well, he's an extra dire extra dimensional being. So, like, yeah, he has extra feats of durability. But rather there is just a very hardy alien.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

Yes. With armor, invisibility. And very weapons and hunting skills.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Does the tall man have any visible weapons?

SPEAKER_01 22:06

But would the predator know that the spear was a weapon?

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Oh, he's seen the movie. So yes. If he sees the spheres, he would attack. If there's no visible weapons.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Does Predator's gun shoot the spear? Like, can it? Do you think if Predator shot his gun at the sphere, it would break the sphere?

SPEAKER_00 22:22

I feel like the Predator would not use the gun at first. Uh because it's all about sport. So we try to get in close with this little stabby knife thing. If the if we think the tall man could one off him, then maybe. But if he can't, then he's gonna whip out the plasma gun.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

The predator's the one who was taken out by a cop.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

He was taken out by a cop in the 90s in a version of New York that is overrun by gangs.

SPEAKER_04 22:45

So the cop doesn't even do a good job.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

He's not even that good of a cop. New York is not doing well.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

Yeah, I really think I feel like the orb would would take out the predator.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

I agree, but the question is the predator is invisible. Can he get to the tall man before the tall man can know where he is to send the orb after him? Does the orb see through invisibility? If it ho, like you mentioned it has honing advice.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

I I think that the predator would underestimate the tall man. Yeah. Just do the the the backstab.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

But it wouldn't kill the tall man. And then in that brief moment, orbs would get him or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

The orb is a really hard weapon to beat.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

It is. It drains all the fluids.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

It just has so you you keep mentioning that as if it doesn't have lasers and saws and like so many other abilities.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Very concerned about hydration all the time.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

It's also not just all the fluids, it like embeds itself and shoots out all your blood. Like blood comes out of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Yeah. They're pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

It's like a really it is one of the most powerful weapons in all of horror.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Pretty OP. It is. So if the predator was taking him seriously, he could one-shot him from a distance. I don't think he'd take him seriously.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

No, and I think it wouldn't be fun enough in the daytime shopping mall to just shoot them from across the mall.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

That's correct. I think he has to weave in and out.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

I'll vote. Tall man?

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Tall man.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

I'm gonna abstain only because I think it's I think it's like a tie, but I think the topic is a leg up.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Yeah. Plus, he's so tall.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

He's so tall. So tall. Probably just not that tall. Maybe he is. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

Dan, give us a venue.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

I wish there was like a concert hall on here. Haunted Insane Asylum. Close enough.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

Are there ones we haven't gotten yet so far? Okay. There's repeats.

M3GAN vs T-800 Robot vs Robot

SPEAKER_03 24:25

Okay, so in a haunted insane asylum, we have Megan versus a T-800. Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 24:33

I've wanted this matchup this entire time. Oh wow. I've been waiting for it. So two robots.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

In the yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

In a world.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

In a world where there's no technology.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

T-800's so much stronger. Megan is so much faster.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Megan is very fast. She's very agile. She can like cartwheel around. But I feel like she also. I don't know. Because Terminator has flesh that you can penetrate. Like you can suck up his flesh.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Yeah, but it's just But then he has still his whole self underneath. It's just like clothing. It's not he's very hardy. But Megan can hack electronics.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

What electronics are in the haunted insane asylum?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

No, the T 100 himself. Oh, I see what you mean. But he's from the future.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yeah, so is she compatible?

SPEAKER_00 25:16

I don't know. I don't know if they have compatible frameworks. Yeah, does he still have a Bluetooth or Bluetooth capabilities or a USB port on his back?

SPEAKER_04 25:26

The whole Megan 2.0 movie is about her fighting a future technology from the 80s, which is sort of how I feel.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

And she does pretty well. Yeah. But she doesn't kill the, she doesn't destroy Amelia.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

Dan, you've said you've been waiting for this matchup. Talk us through it.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Well, the reason I've been waiting because I just think it's robot versus robot. Who doesn't want to see that? Robot robot action. But I I've the thought that I had going into this was what's stronger, like perceived uh sci-fi technology when you have less of an insight into what it's gonna look like, or is it stronger when you have more of an insight into what it's gonna look like? Like Megan, they're constantly referencing like actual technology. Like there's actual things that they talk about that that we have that are you know computer science terms now. Whereas like Terminator is based on kind of our limited, you know, at the time perception of what a robot would be like. Or or slightly more limited. I So what's stronger? Like what we imagine a robot would be capable of, or what we're like pretty sure a robot could do if we could build the body for it.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Well, Terminator happens after the singularity, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Uh not exactly. Because if we pass the singularity, then I would say it's not the it's not that the singularity, it's yeah, it's just machines take over.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Like there's there's the So we're not past the point of robots surpassing our level of intelligence.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

No, it's just a very malicious computer.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

Okay. Is it like maybe it's one of the lather terminator movies that's got the like crazy smart one? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Genesis?

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Maybe but getting off track.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Um I it I think she he would try to just punch her, shoot her, whatever. And she's uh she does not have does she have guns? No, she doesn't have no guns.

SPEAKER_04 27:17

No, I think she could hack him.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

I either she hacks him or she just hides, you know, and then does an ambush and like does some little quick re-circuitry on his neck and makes him shut down or some bullshit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

But I feel like in the time it would take her to get through his flesh to his neck, he could just shoot her like crush her head.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

The T 800 is taken down by a pipe.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

This is true.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

They stab him and they went, they they rend the pipe, and that's enough. Because like it's the T1000 doing it, so it's like it's machine strength.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

But like I guess it's fair. I just it's just so hard for me to say that Megan beats the Terminator.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

I think she's like the new I guess Terminator. But no, like if if if they were like in a locked room together, she's fucked, you know. Oh, so you think because she can yeah, because she's fast and nimble, you know, she can disassemble her parts and put them in vents, and you know.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

I guess that's fair. She is, I would say, probably more intelligent than the Terminator is.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Let's not discount that it's haunted.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Yeah, let's not discount that it's haunted, and I think they'd like Megan more because she's a little girl. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

I think she would just be like, go away, and the T 800 would be confused by ghosts.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

He'd be shooting at them.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Waste all his bullets on the ghosts.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

All right, Megan.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Like the idea that Megan just says go away to ghosts. She gets she gets it.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

All right.

Creeper vs Leprechaun At Clifftop

SPEAKER_03 28:40

I think this might be a very interesting one, Dan. Where are we located?

SPEAKER_04 28:44

We're gonna be fighting at the clifftop laboratory.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

In the clifftop laboratory, we have in one corner creeper. In the other corner, old leppy.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Damn. These are two I've argued so hard for on both sides.

SPEAKER_04 29:00

Does the creeper have any wrought iron?

SPEAKER_00 29:03

No, but he's smart.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

He is smart, he is an ancient being. They're both ancient.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

And like there's definitely wrought iron in the laboratory somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Old war buddies or something.

SPEAKER_03 29:12

I don't know. They probably had a wrought iron rod that they used to like collect lightning strikes. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

So he goes and gets the lightning strikes.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Sorry, he goes to get the lightning rod, but while he's up there, he might get struck by lightning.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

And I don't think the creeper is easily tricked. Leprechaun's magic largely revolves around tricking.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Yeah, and has to be funny. And the creeper has no sense of humor.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

No. No. I do think that the creeper could just bite him, just bite his neck off.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Just bite his little face.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Which I know was the argument with Jaws, but I still think that the creeper has a layer of intelligence. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

I think the creeper would rip off his own arms and replace them with the leprechaun arms. Like a little T-Rex action?

SPEAKER_04 29:51

Yeah. Would the creeper steal his gold and make himself invulnerable? Probably. Probably.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

He'd figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

He'd think it's funny. That's that's his sense of humor. The creeper.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Yeah, sure. Okay. Yeah, because he turns himself to like he makes himself look like a scarecrow a couple times.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Yeah, that's kind of fun.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

That's fun.

SPEAKER_04 30:08

He got that cool hat.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

He does have a cool hat. They both have cool hats. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:12

They do.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

They trade hats first and then kiss, and then the creeper wins. Exactly. And then trade arms. They trade arms.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

They trade hats. They kiss a little bit. The creeper kills the left.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

Yeah. That's how most of our relationships go. Yeah. Okay, in the final quarter final matchup, Dan, where are we?

SPEAKER_04 30:29

I'm

Maniac Cop vs Pinhead In Slums

SPEAKER_04 30:30

gonna say it's the quarantined urban slums.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Cool. Quarantined urban slums. In one corner, we have Maniac Cop.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

In the other corner, we have Pinhead. Huh.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

Tail as old as time.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Tale as old as time. I think.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

This is both this is home turf for basically both of them.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

A lot of sinners in the uh quarantined urban slums.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

It's hard not to be a sinner. Does the maniac cop have desire to revenge for revenge?

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Yeah. And he can be is maniac cop strong enough to break out of Pinhead's chains?

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Yes. I think so. I think he could rip the chains.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Even if there's enough of them?

SPEAKER_01 31:15

How many chains can he summon?

SPEAKER_00 31:17

I don't know if there's a limit. And he can also do like the little s swirly uh columns that have pieces of people on them.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Those are kind of spooky.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

And Maniac Cop's not going to be able to remind Pinhead of his humanity.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

No, he doesn't talk.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

He doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

I think Pinhead's taken it.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Yeah, I don't see Maniacop doing a puzzle box.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

I was gonna say, like, is there anything that he'll do the puzzle box? But no, he's too much of a maniac.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

I guess I don't really know if if you shoot Pinhead, what happens? Like they never really show like people like attack him, attack him. Do you think that's a good one?

SPEAKER_00 31:46

So I I wa not I don't know if not in the first two pinhead specifically, but the uh the the the the fat one with the glasses a uh falling piece of wood takes him out.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

A falling piece of wood?

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

In which movie?

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Like it's it's I think it's towards the end of the first one.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

I can't remember that. That's not a pinhead.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

It's not pinhead. But also, like it's you know, it's it's scenobites can absolutely be bested. Yes, with physical means.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Technically, they're just min uh they're what the what's the word? Maimed, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

Yeah, I but that said, I think mutilated.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Utilated.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

I do think that uh he could incapacitate maniac cop. And also, cops are hated in the urban slums. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

True. He might get some from the locals. You're right. Uh you know especially quarantined ones. Yeah. Because they're the ones imposing the quarantine. Yeah. Yeah, I think Pennhead probably takes it.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

Alright. We have only two rounds left.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Okay.

unknown 32:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

Our semifinals and our finals. I think is is how this works.

SPEAKER_04 32:53

We've got three three battles.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Cliffhanger. Three battles to go. Okay.

Semifinal M3GAN vs Tall Man

SPEAKER_03 32:56

Dan?

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Our first semi-final will be taking place at the Cliff Top Laboratory.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Okay. Like a family favorite?

SPEAKER_03 33:04

Yep. The Cliff Top Lab is where the tall man will face Megan.

SPEAKER_04 33:10

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

That's a tricky thing. This is tough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:15

In the second Phantasm movie, they they do something to like corrupt the little ball. Do they hack it? What do they get to like that it attacks the tall man? I don't forget why.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

I thought she just throws it at him, throws it back.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

Oh, so Megan could just throw the she could probably catch it.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Yeah, how I'm trying to, what happens? Like it's like he gets stuck with the the ball. How does that happen? Is it like a last-minute duck out of the way situation?

SPEAKER_04 33:43

I forget. He gets attacked by it, and I was uh but like presumably she could hack it if it was hackable, she could chuck it back at him if it's thrown at her.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Well, most of the balls are useless on her because like the little drill is not gonna break.

SPEAKER_04 33:55

And then she has no moisture.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

She has no moisture.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

The only thing that might do it is the laser.

SPEAKER_04 34:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Also, he has telekinesis. Because like he chokes the guy by grabbing the necklace and hangs him. I guess he could she is a uh maybe she weighs a ton. Um, but like could he just like pick her up?

SPEAKER_04 34:13

Maybe. I mean that would pretty pretty well no, that wouldn't even neutralize Megum because she could hack stuff in the laboratory. Presumably there's some computers in this laboratory.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

It's very old.

SPEAKER_04 34:23

It's a very old laboratory, so it's like so he could probably make minions.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

It's like a Frankenstein laboratory.

SPEAKER_04 34:29

So it predates Alan Turing's invention of the there's an Apple IIe computer?

SPEAKER_01 34:35

No, no, there's not. But I feel like even in Phantasm 2, the tall man is quote unquote killed, they like destroy his body and he still comes back.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

Yeah. So like if you destroy his body, that would be a win via the floor.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Okay, so even though he doesn't technically die, correct. Yeah, okay, so okay, so you just have to destroy him at least once. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

She could break the giant water tank. And the big water tank was there and flo and flood him. Yeah. Knock him off his feet.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Is she water immune?

SPEAKER_04 35:05

She is. They they that's a like a point in the second movie. Is that they've made her they've made sure that she is not uh waterproof? Yeah, that she's waterproof because that's how they take her out in the first one.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

She's like the new iPhone.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

This is a tough one.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

It really is. But she's she's so fast and fighty.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

She is.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

Like there's definitely like knives and whatnot or in the laboratory. I'm sure she can find all sorts of different things to be used as weapons.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

And she can throw really fast, presumably.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

Yeah, and I bet she could catch and or dodge that orb as over. But it has lasers. Can it just from like a distance laser her?

SPEAKER_04 35:46

I don't know. But I mean, in the movie, the tall man is bested by like children? Yeah, three men. No, teenagers. Teenagers.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

But I think she could just cartwheel away from the laser.

SPEAKER_04 35:57

Yeah, she's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

She's like, She's very agile.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Yeah. If Megan wins this freaking thing, I swear to God.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

A woman won it last time.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

It would be That's not my issue.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Yeah, that's what I thought you were mad that it was gonna be a woman. I'm so pissed a woman is winning this. I'm gonna I'm gonna call it and we're gonna say Megan. I think it's Megan.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Okay, Megan is a Did not expect her to do this well.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

No semifinalist.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

But she is, as you said, fast and fighty.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

She never had to face Jaws.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

If she had to face Jaws.

SPEAKER_04 36:28

If only.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

Okay, Dan, what's our our next venue?

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Fighting

Semifinal Creeper vs Pinhead

SPEAKER_04 36:32

at the Lakeside Summer Camp will be the creeper versus pinhead.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 36:36

Tail as old as time.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

We do know that the creeper's wings can be cut.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Yep. And that's a lot of area to grab with hooks.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

So if yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

So he could easily remove the creeper's wings.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Yeah, or just slice him up so bad he can't fly. And then he is kind of like crucified at the end of the second one, which is something very Cenobite-esque.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

They do love a good crucifixion.

SPEAKER_04 37:03

The creepers love are very they desire, you know, the creeper desires stuff.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

He dires human flesh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:11

I feel like Pinhead is gonna rip him apart.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

That's so unfortunate.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

And you know what?

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Because I really don't think Pinhead is that powerful of a villain.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

So I I think the the big d dangers for Pinhead in this are the little throwy stars.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

You love those throy stars.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

But if Pinhead throwing stars have been the make and break bit of technology for the creeper. If Pinhead makes his little spinny columns, yeah, and he hides behind him. He's ducking behind them. Why is he ducking like that?

SPEAKER_02 37:44

I really wish we had visuals for how Alan was returning to the biggest.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

I think he could pull it out. He'd have to speed blitz Pinhead.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

I do think but the qu like if he grabbed the chains with him, could Jeep uh could the Creeper just like rip his hands out? But I guess if he keeps grabbing him and he keeps ripping chunks out of his body.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

Well, the the the chains are not attached to pinhead. They just go.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

No, I'm saying I'm saying Creeper can like rip out his hands from the chains. I don't think pain stops him, but I guess if he keeps tearing out chunks of his body just take him, it would be death by a thousand cuts.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

Really quick, I just want to ask Alan, could you please do your imitation of how he ducks? Okay. Yeah, that's what Pinhead does. We'll post this somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

That's what Pinhead does. Okay, Dan. Okay, ladies and gentlemen. I

Final Showdown At Shopping Mall

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know this final match. Our final match. Our finalists. Where is it? Dan, give us a venue. Please be daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

For the final battle of the scary scuffle of 2026.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

The sequel.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

They'll be fighting at the daytime shopping office.

SPEAKER_03 38:49

We have Megan versus Pinhead.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

The Daytime Shopping Mall. This shopping mall has seen so much.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

A lot of Megan's fights have been in the shopping mall. Do we think that it carries over? No. They don't have.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

It's a new daytime shopping mall every time.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

I'll give her a advantage on navigation of the shopping mall at this point because she knows a way around.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

I also just don't think Pinhead would know how to get around the shopping mall.

SPEAKER_00 39:15

But to counterbalance it, despite starting 500 meters apart, Pinhead's gonna start next to like the little kiosk that has the map.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_00 39:23

He's gonna read the map. So he knows where Sears is.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Okay. But that's not helpful because Megan could hack the map. Those maps are all digital now. Great point.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Great point.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

He's turning off all the screens.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

And he doesn't even know what hacking is. No, no, he's from World War II.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Yeah. And he's, I would assume we're in America. He's in a foreign land. It's a shopping mall. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

She has no flesh.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

For him to rip.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

That's kind of his whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

He does like the flesh.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

His ripping flesh. She's not organ. She's yeah, non-organic.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

I feel like she'd get weirded out by him. She'd find him. She'd find him pervy.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Yeah. She'd be pretty disgusted. But how would she take him out?

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Well, I guess if she's super strong, she would smash his pins into a can she move fast enough to just quickly remove all his pins?

SPEAKER_04 40:08

It's like plucking a porcupine. Exactly. I mean, she has that training montage where she's hitting like the wooden dummy. Yeah. It's really fast. Yeah, she'll just do that between his little pins.

SPEAKER_03 40:19

But he could still, even though she's not flesh, he could still send his hooks at her.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

He could hook into her metal frame.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

Is it?

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Can they pierce the metal? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Yeah. Metal hooks can pierce metal.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

Depends on the metals.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

But the question is, is Pinhead going to even be able to recognize, like, I can't imagine his reaction to her.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

Well, he's seen the movie. He's seen the movie. So he knows what she looks like.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

But he can read the desire in someone's heart.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

But she's a robot. So that's null and void. I think she would just go to the second story, wait for him to walk below, and then just take a weight that she got from the sporting goods store and just toss it on his head.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

This is the weirdest, scary scuffle. I can't believe we're here. I really can't.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

This is I really thought xenomorphs were gonna get so much further. I thought a lot of a lot of people were gonna get much farther than they. Like, no, I love Pinhead, but in the second movie, it's just kind of like, okay, he's just kind of there. And then what easily manipulated by this child being like, remember when you were a person? He's like, hmm, kinda. Pinhead.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

The last time we did the scary scuffle, I think, I was fresh off watching every single Hellraiser movie to ever come out. Yeah. And I was so excited for Pinhead to do phenomenally well. And he was eliminated very early on.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

I remember that. That was disappointing for all of us.

SPEAKER_04 41:41

But I'm proud that Pinhead came this far. He's been training.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

He made it really far.

SPEAKER_04 41:46

He's done a lot of work since 2021.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

Abby, what do you think of this?

SPEAKER_03 41:51

Yeah. Here's yeah, I'm gonna sort of talk it out live. This is what it comes down to for me. Because I think Pinhead could very easily shoot his hooks as he's done with everybody else so far in this tournament and fuck her up. He knows that she is the target because he's seen the movie, he understands the assignment, he knows what's going on here.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

He understands the assignment.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

The question is, which I hear is you know, she's she's inorganic, she has no desire, she has no this, so is his power. But I still think like if he knows that he needs to kill Megan as part of this tournament that he is dis signed up for, then he would beat her.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

But I want to throw in one thing.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

So he's like Mr. Aura floating around.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Mr. Aura?

SPEAKER_00 42:39

You know, we okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

The next piece of merch is gonna say Mr. Aura, and it's gonna have a picture of Alan's head. Mr. Aura at the daytime shopping mall.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Uh and you know, the she Megan's gonna take one look at this and be like, no, thank you. And she's just gonna run over and solve the puzzle box.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Okay, so she does know the puzzle boxes. Okay. She's seen the movie. She's seen the movie. I love to picture all of them sitting down and watching these movies.

SPEAKER_00 43:03

Especially Jaws.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

Especially Jaws. Jaws watching Leopard Fun too.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Um Jaws, pay attention, please.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Please look at the movie. This is um They're just like kind of snapping their fingers and pointing at the movie.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Wrought iron. Raw iron.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Um I feel like we argued that Megan could dodge the tall man's orb.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

How fast are pinheads chains? I feel like if we we're arguing that she can dodge lasers. We're arguing that she could dodge the orb. She can't cartwheel heist movie her way through those chains.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

I think they're faster than the orbs, slower than a bullet. I do.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

I feel like I remember them coming out not that quickly.

SPEAKER_00 43:55

I think that it's like a harpoon, you know?

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Okay. Sorry. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

We have a family rule. No harpoons allowed in the apartment.

SPEAKER_03 44:07

Alan and I just went to Nantucket and there's a lot of harpoon discussion. And we gotta just keep him clear of the topic if we want to get through this.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

Um so it comes out the speed of like a bow, an arrow. Bow and arrow, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Yeah, like even if even if, you know, I I can see I can see her just like straight out outsmarting him. She dodges change, she lets herself get caught in her in her leg or something, he thinks he's got her, he has to do his ending monologue. He does not have to be a good thing. Meanwhile, she's detached her hand, it's like creeped over to the cube and solved it.

SPEAKER_04 44:39

She doesn't even need to do that. Like, even if we made the argument that he could destroy her body.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

We're in a daytime shopping mall where she can hack into But we've argued that destroying her body is winning in this case.

SPEAKER_04 44:51

Do we okay?

SPEAKER_01 44:53

So she's not dead, but we've argued that for Megan. I wasn't sure if it's like her sentience like because she wouldn't be TKO'd if she But that the tall man isn't either, but we argued that if you destroy him once, it counts as destruction.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

So therefore it's her physical form. For argument's sake, like even if she like put her consciousness into something else, if her body was then still destroyed dormant, she'd lose.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

Really? Okay. Because with the tall man, it's not like he ever leaves his body. I mean, regardless.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Sure. I s I still think that she would change. Even if she can't physically best him, she's gonna banish him.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Yeah. I thought you were arguing for pinhead.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Nope. No, Mark.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

Interesting. So I think we're all just arguing against each other for the same thing. I think so.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

The winner of the scary scuffle sequel matchup, round robin tournament, Megan from Megan 2.0. What an upset. And that's a Megan with a three.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

In case you want to write that down in your scorebook at home.

SPEAKER_03 45:54

Look

Winners Recap And Bracket Fixes

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at that bracket. Let's do a quick a quick recap. Let's remember where we've come from. This is gonna upset me.

SPEAKER_04 46:00

In memoriam.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

In memoriam. I don't even know how to do it.

SPEAKER_04 46:04

Who did Megan fight to get here?

SPEAKER_03 46:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:06

We'll stick with Megan's trail of victory.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

That's a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 46:09

Yeah. Megan initially defeated Ghostface. Yeah. She then defeated the collar. She then defeated in quite a jump. A T-800. Humans, and then a whole other robot. Then she defeated the tall man, and finally she defeated Pinhead. A wake of terror she has left behind her.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

And most of it in the daytime shopping mall. Most of it.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

Those people are traumatized. This is why malls are closing, guys.

SPEAKER_04 46:37

That's great.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Megan's fucking stuff up.

SPEAKER_04 46:40

Oh my god. Who did other people think would win? I don't know if anyone thought Megan would win.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

I thought the xenomorph was gonna get really far.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

You thought the xenomorph would win?

SPEAKER_01 46:49

I th I think that was the one that I I think xenomorph and tall man were the two where I was like, these are tough.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

I had uh tall man and pinhead.

SPEAKER_01 46:57

Pinhead I really didn't think would get this far.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

I d he's one of the few people that has really, really good ranged attacks. This is true. And most of these people just are very stabby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

I think I'm still upset a little bit that five gremlins took out pumpkin head. You know? I don't know if I'm fully there, but yeah, I I think the creeper made it far, but I thought would maybe make it a little bit farther. The creeper's just so strong.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

The creeper is so strong. I love the creeper, it's probably one of my favorites on there, but I didn't I think you I think he got as far as I thought he would.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

I I think the death angel got taken out real early because of the creeper. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

They're just kind of wild animals that there's they're like bears to me.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Bears that can hear real well. Yeah, but that are also mostly bulletproof.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

Yeah. So are bears.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Well, to an extent, yeah. It just takes a lot of bullets.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Polar bear.

SPEAKER_04 47:50

We I I'll I'll say this. We don't do any you know, we we don't do any seating, right? So in the first round, you had a lot of big ones get taken out by a lot of other big ones.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

Um yeah, this is a very flawed system.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

We got a lot of seri we got a lot of uh fortunately serial killers against serial killers in the beginning. So we were able to move some humans up further than I think they would have.

SPEAKER_00 48:10

And women versus women.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

The one matchup of the bride versus Megan.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

That's correct.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

It was Pearl, too. Oh, Pearl versus the bride.

SPEAKER_03 48:18

That's right. I do think doing in the future would be fun to do these by categories, which I think would sort of even the playing field a little bit if they're all water creatures.

SPEAKER_01 48:28

Yeah, all humans. Yeah, all humans, people with supernatural abilities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

So I think then what we should. I mean, this is only our second time, so there's plenty of of norms we can start.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

We can we can have like a quarter of each bracket be like a specific kind of right, like a kind of like a region, but like a yeah, like so who won from the water region? Who won from the versus serial killer? Yeah, exactly. Amazing.

Episode Plugs Merch And Goodbye

SPEAKER_03 48:54

Well, thank you all. Thank you, Kate and Dan. Thank you. If you have not listened, thank you, Alan. If you have not listened to our babysitter and the man upstairs episode with Dan, please do. And we have so many great episodes with Kate, feminist horror, mirrors, the history of birds. What am I missing? Puppets, puppets, some great ones, and some more to come. So please check out those episodes because we love talking to them. And as always, thank you all so much for being here. I hope you check out our merch store pretty soon. Keep your eye out for the daytime shopping mall t-shirt and the Mr. Aura. Mr. Mr. Aura band bandana. Stay spooky, stay safe. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. Bye.