Arielle Sadan - Leadership Coach & Co-Founder of Revel&Awe

Arielle shares why you DON'T want her as your wing person, tells the story of her journey from getting her MBA and working in corporate consulting to co-founding a successful business and makes a high stakes promise to Jason to be forever saved on the Internet.

"Being aware of your fear does not mean that you need to live into it."

Arielle Sadan is a leadership coach and consultant and the co-founder of Revel&Awe, a company aiming to shift the way we approach life to experience more joy and wonder. She coaches clients on topics ranging from executive presence and function, leadership development, and career transitions with the aim of helping people discover and fulfill their professional visions. Arielle loves working with people from diverse backgrounds, cultures, and languages to create better understanding among individuals, groups, and companies. She has an MBA and is a certified professional coach.

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Transcript

Jason Frazell:   0:10
aerial afternoon. Welcome to the show today.

Arielle Sadan:   0:12
Thank you.

Jason Frazell:   0:14
So excited that you're on. I am. So yes, that was a nervous laugh. I hope you're not too nervous. Maybe a little nervous if you like. A little nervous Energy is good.

Arielle Sadan:   0:24
I'll get my nervous giggles out now. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:   0:27
it's perfect. I had a guest on who, like we laughed for, like, the 1st 10 minutes, and I couldn't tell if she was nervous. We're just having that good a time. But either way, I'm sure we'll have a similar thing. And, uh, it'll be a lot of fun today, so let's get right into it. First things first. What if you'd introduce yourself to the audience where you are in the world and yes, sure. What you'd like Thio kick us off.

Arielle Sadan:   0:50
Ah, short. So my name is Ariel Sadan. I am a leadership development coach here in New York, Um, from New York. Families from Israel and have spent my life mostly here in the city around the city have traveled a lot. So it's something that I'm really passionate about and yeah, I am. I'm excited toe to be here and see what else you managed to bring out of me.

Jason Frazell:   1:19
Yes, Well, that is that is my specialty. So we'll see if it will. You leave the re laughing or crying by the end. I'm not sure we'll see a

Arielle Sadan:   1:25
little bit about

Jason Frazell:   1:26
Yeah, a little bit of both. It's perfect. So thanks for sharing that. And as we always do, I just like to talk about how we met. So Ariel and I have only met once and we have a mutual friend slash your business partner, Jake, who has also been on the show. And so I'm actually really excited about this because I don't really know that much about you. Really? Nothing at all, other than you're great to spend time within. You know, any friend of Jake's a friend of mine. But other than that, like everything that the audience audience could be learning today I'm learning as well. The only thing I really know is that you're from New York. That's

Arielle Sadan:   2:00
about it. So that's a good place to start.

Jason Frazell:   2:03
It's a good place to start, so I'm super excited about this well and grateful that you are taking the time. So have a tradition on the show where we my guests and I we tell each other first impressions of each other, and we have definitely never talked about this before. And because it's my show and I make the rules, I would like for you to go first. So what is the If you remember, what is your first impression of me?

Arielle Sadan:   2:32
Oh, um well, I think the first impression I had of you was that you seemed like a very for lack of a better term like early Teddy bear. Because I'll tell you why I'm laughing

Jason Frazell:   2:56
in a minute. Keep going

Arielle Sadan:   2:57
home. Well, you know, like you came upto to meet me a space that Jake and I work at and introduced yourself. And, you know, you're you're a tall, built kind of person and you know you. I don't know if you were smiling or not in the beginning, but you give off like a very serious solid by. But But then the minute you open your mouth, you're actually like this. Very fun, funny personality.

Jason Frazell:   3:25
Oh, that is so good. Thank you.

Arielle Sadan:   3:27
Yes, I

Jason Frazell:   3:29
love it. I love that because couple reasons. One I have my friends today who's known me for over 20 years. She calls me a scone, crusty on the outside. But like once you like, get anywhere with it. It's like the lit delicious and soft on the inside. I'm actually like, Not even like I don't even consider myself serious ever like. I'm my greatest committed life is the fun But I have people tell me all the time they're like they're like, Oh, you had a serious look at your face And I think it's because I'm just not very emotive. I'm just, like, not I'm not somebody who in boats a lot like I emote fun. And I think I might like smiles, but when I'm like, not that I'm being serious. But if I'm not, like smiling that I'm just kind of like Stoick and yeah, yeah, I've heard that you're not the first person to tell me this, so thank you. Laugh. Because it's always funny to hear. Like how you show up the other people in the world, especially they don't really know you. So thank you for that. So, um, my first impression of you, you know, we talked about how he met in person was you have a really welcoming presence and um, we're looking for, but he used to. I know you used to do consulting work, so you're kind of you're kind of one of those people that it's like this woman knows her stuff, and it's also really cool. And I think in, you know, we both worked in the corporate world for a long time as well. Where it's like this is a credible person who is also like a lovely human being that I want to get. No. And I think sometimes, and I've talked about this with a couple of my other guests in here have done, like management, consulting and think like it didn't feel like you had a facade on. I think it's probably because now you're doing more like human work than work. You used to dio. Yeah, it was a media. I immediately felt comfortable with you. And then, you know, it's the workshop. We got to spend time together. I was a guest and you were doing the workshop. I was like, Oh, yeah, like your initial. My initial pressure view was like, definitely enhanced as we spent time together, you know, like sometimes you're like, Oh, yeah, and then as you actually see people in actually like Oh, no. It was like, Oh, yeah. It's like, Oh, yeah, even more. Yeah. Which is why I invited you to come on the show today. I would invite you. This is only for cool people. It's so

Arielle Sadan:   5:43
well, it has been my place goal in my life's Coulson's middle school to be cool. So I'm glad I finally made the cut.

Jason Frazell:   5:51
Well, we'll see. I mean, we still have an hour of this conversation, so maybe by the end, Well, I'll tell you, by the end of that, you actually ate the cut or not.

Arielle Sadan:   5:57
Okay, No. Better.

Jason Frazell:   6:01
Yeah. So let's get into it. So, speaking of cool, what is something that you nerd out about

Arielle Sadan:   6:07
so many things? So many things. Um, well, I will be the first to be that cliche person that says I nerd out about my job. Um, but it's really true. I love reading books about positive psychology and ways that people make their lives better even in really incremental ways. Um, so I'm I'm reading the happiness advantage now by Sean Acre, which is really, really interesting, um and tryingto integrate some of his learnings about increasing positive thoughts. So that's, you know, one area of my life that I spent a lot of time on both in the office and out. Um, also, I've been an avid Grey's Anatomy fan for the last 15 seasons. Um, on Lee, Only a little bit ashamed to admit bad. Um,

Jason Frazell:   6:59
why would

Arielle Sadan:   6:59
that shame

Jason Frazell:   7:00
around? That's a popular show.

Arielle Sadan:   7:02
It is a popular show end. I've been watching it since middle school, so I'm a dead alien

Jason Frazell:   7:08
body. You're a

Arielle Sadan:   7:09
rodeo. Okay with it. I own it. I'm actually, um I'm turning 30 this year, so I'm happy to out that as well. Uh, this ah, big stepping stone and one that I'm pretty proud of making. So, you know, those are two of the big things. I think, um, I'm a big television geek. Um, liketo be in touch with what's on and what's new and with good. And I'm a loyal fan, even to the shows that have passed their peak. Not Grey's Anatomy. That's still great.

Jason Frazell:   7:40
Like, that's never gonna That's never gonna pass its peak. What indirect recommendations on new shows that you've seen recently that you think either myself or the audience would enjoy.

Arielle Sadan:   7:51
Well, it's not necessarily knew, but flea bag on Amazon Prime is excellent. I just finished up the second season this week, and it's riveting and funny and sad and all of the lasting, crying together moments. Um, and the awkwardness. Ah, and the reality of it just rips your heart to shreds. So highly recommended.

Jason Frazell:   8:17
I have. Yeah, do I? There's two shows, so I'm a big TV person. I'm a TV snob. I really only watch things that are, like, critically acclaimed, Which is my wife. Yeah, yeah, and my wife difference for me and that, too. So good thing we have two TVs in the house. But there's two shows. There was like, You have to watch fleabag and succession, and I haven't seen either of them yet. And I'm really excited watching fleabag and I know what the gelt they made that she made What? Sorry, Rachel. What's Waller fee? Whatever Phoebe Wall or whatever name is?

Arielle Sadan:   8:51
Yeah, I think

Jason Frazell:   8:51
the joke that she made about Obama and then I looked up with that man. I was like, I'm dying right now. This is unbelievable. Sure, if you know what? I'm

Arielle Sadan:   8:58
smart. She's so smart,

Jason Frazell:   9:02
so smart. So I am. That's on the short term list, and that's actually show that my wife and I would definitely watch together like we love like we love watching Mazel. We watch billions. So I feel like succession and flea bag or two more shows we can actually watch together because when she's like, yeah, I just wanna relax and work in front of television. It's not generally anything I wanna watch. Um, let's put it this way. It's usually on Bravo.

Arielle Sadan:   9:26
I mean, I understand I've been there and I'm often there myself, so I couldn't agree. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:   9:32
well, that's what I like. That's great. I'm gonna go do something else, which is totally cool. So So Grey's anatomy and positive psychology, those air to cool things that they're not about definitely. And both enhance life enhancing and in certain ways, yes. And you relax

Arielle Sadan:   9:47
in a different way

Jason Frazell:   9:50
exactly well, so next question for you is around your comfort zone. And first question is, what is something that's inside of your comfort zone that might be outside of somebody else's? And no fair saying watching Bravo my comfort zone.

Arielle Sadan:   10:10
Um, I think, but two things come to my mind, and I think they're really interrelated. So one is I'm really comfortable at talking sort of off the cuff unprepared. And I know that we've sort of touched on it, um, at the workshop that you came to, But being able thio, you know, present or talk to people and just be very open and genuine and also sound competent. Um, that's something that I think I feel very comfortable with. I feel my really own, you know, myself and my knowledge. And so that's something that I think a lot of people struggle with, but I feel very comfortable. Um, and in the same vein, I was very, very comfortable out laughing at myself, um, constantly making jokes at my own expense, laughing about my weaknesses, even my strings. Um, I think it ah, it's healthy to laugh. And it's healthy to acknowledge the things that maybe not so good at Maybe the things that you are not take yourself too seriously. So, um, I do that frequently. Um, so those are the two things. I think

Jason Frazell:   11:23
that's awesome. I personally I'm a lover of people like complete extra at the two types of people that I have a hard time being around one people that are just serious all the time cause I'm so not serious. And it's not like it's nothing wrong with being serious when it's time to get serious. But the whole, like everything, feels like this high stakes thing, and every decision is like the end of world, like I have a very hard time being around people like that. And the other kind of person that's challenging for me is somebody who is just always complaining and whining about something else. It's like outside of them, like their boss, for the subway, or and you know, his fellow coaches, like, tell it like being a cause for your life. It's like you like you just gave me a list of 10 things that you're pissed off a boat and like none of them you control. So why are you worrying about it and go figure out how you can create what you want? Um, being it cause what you want to create. So yeah, like I love even in the workshop. I think there's like a You guys had a moment. It was like It's it's like watching like comedy where people like, Oh, that joke didn't really land like next. It's like so endearing. People just be themselves, and that's not what you guys do in the workshop that I remember. But, yeah, I think that's great. Just able to laugh at yourself like a like not the end of the world. Life doesn't end And, uh, we're just out here trying to figure it out together and, like laughing at yourself at school. Thanks. Yeah, So now the reverse. What's something that's outside your comfort zone? It's likely inside of somebody else's,

Arielle Sadan:   12:52
Um, you like, there are a lot of things you know I always struggle with, You know, you don't know what you don't know, Though I am sure that there are so many things that other people feel very comfortable about that I haven't even thought of, um, by it. If I try to come up with, you know, one or two things, let's just start with one. Actually, um, I think one thing I'm uncomfortable with that other people are. It's probably and this might sound kind of funny, but being a good wing man and I, I am a horrible wing man wing person. Um, because I get very awkward, even when I'm trying to fight for somebody else, you know, and support somebody else. Um, and I think it shows up, you know, in other facets of life. You know, advocating for others is something that I generally feel very comfortable with. But when it comes to actually trying to, you know, set people up or, you know, introduced to people at ah Barto D where it goes, that's something that I am so awkward and horrible ad that other people I think feel really comfortable with. It's easier for most people to get dates for their friends than it is for them to get dates for themselves. For me, for me, both are really, really are.

Jason Frazell:   14:32
Wait, You're saying it's hard for you to get a date for yourself and for others?

Arielle Sadan:   14:35
Yeah, well, that's like a whole nother story, but we've

Jason Frazell:   14:38
got we've got another 50 minutes, like, let's just go right there. That sounds amazing. I didn't tell you that this whole show is gonna be about your dating life.

Arielle Sadan:   14:45
I mean, I'm surprised if I can get I'll take it.

Jason Frazell:   14:50
Well, at the end of the episode, I will you do? Get a chance to tell people how they can connect with you? And I don't specify in what manners. So you're welcome to share what they could find you. That's so funny. Like I'm just trying to think for a minute it was like, for me that's so natural. Like,

Arielle Sadan:   15:06
how would it be

Jason Frazell:   15:06
awkward to set up to other people like I can't even like? What would that even look like?

Arielle Sadan:   15:12
Well, let's say you're at a bar with a friend and they see someone across the room that they're interested in. And and this has happened to me so many times I've tried wing Manning for my girlfriends, for my guy friends, and, you know, they see someone and I slowly try toe but sidle up next to them and, you know, hover outside the people that they're talking thio and find the entrance into the conversation to be like, Hey, run over there thinks they're pretty cute. How would you feel about talking to them? Well, most people would actually ask the question. I just hover awkwardly outside the group like a sad puppy. Are you jealous? Um, in general or in this particular situation

Jason Frazell:   16:03
in this situation. You like jealous that they're not wanting to talk to you. Think of this is just this, like, strikes me as something that would be on flea bag. And I've never even seen fleabag. It seems like I like a funny, like a like a girl's episode or something. And you see, this is this is amazing.

Arielle Sadan:   16:18
Yeah, well, weirdly Lena Dunham, even in all her eccentricities and awkwardness, is probably less awkward than I am in this particular situation. It's not jealousy. It's mostly just, you know, I think I get that no middle school feeling of being outside and not really knowing howto approach in so many ways, I feel really confident, but for some reason approaching a group of you know, people at a bar just feels very intimidating to me.

Jason Frazell:   16:50
Okay, Well, um, I Yeah, I know that this is like I said, I'm gonna learn a lot about you today. This is awesome. So, um, what if people set you up? Are you awkward when somebody's like, Hey, this guy's This person's interested in you. Um would you like to go out with them? Are you awkward in that situation when it's for you.

Arielle Sadan:   17:10
No, Never.

Jason Frazell:   17:13
Then you're like, you're, like, funny call calm, cool. Collected. You're like, Bring it on. That sounds great. Yeah. Oh, man, that's so interesting. Because I feel like most people see opposite.

Arielle Sadan:   17:22
Ah, yeah. So maybe that's one of the things that's outside my comfort zone. Oh, this is the thing. This is the thing that's outside my comfort zone.

Jason Frazell:   17:34
Thank you. I'm just I almost I just want to see this play out in, like, an actual, real life thing. I just think would be so I would probably be making fun of you. I'm just gonna be totally honest with you. I would be giving you first. Yeah, I would. I would be like I'd be like, Oh, now I get it. This is amazing.

Arielle Sadan:   17:49
Yeah. Yeah, Let's just not put it on Candid Camera. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:   17:53
we'll put on Candid Camera and we'll move on from this because you know that a lot of things to talk about in week, I could spend all the rest of our time talking about this even I'm sure you'll be very uncomfortable. Thing is actually dating show surprise on. Actually, actually, I've got something to set you up with on the other line right now. Click Great. Yeah. There we go. He's actually he's actually hung up now because he was scared him away with that story.

Arielle Sadan:   18:22
Oh, man, that happens on

Jason Frazell:   18:24
the Yeah, that's right. Someday, uh, yeah. So next question for you, you had mentioned earlier that you like to get up and, um, the front room and do workshops for you that you're very confident speaker. So what if I was able to give you five minutes to deliver a speech to the world? What would you give your speech on and why?

Arielle Sadan:   18:49
Five minutes is a very short amount of time. Um, you know, in the past, I think I probably would have said that I would talk about why finding like your career passion is overrated. And how finding a career that you're excited about or good at is probably, you know, better use of people's time and energy. Yeah, but now I think I would probably talk. It's it's interesting. I'm not Ah, super activist kind of person. But I think given the current climate that were in, it would probably give a talk about you know, the five things that we can do toe save the environment or something like that. Something that you know has more macro impact. Um, generally, I'd liketo I feel like I'm adding the most value when I am impacting, you know, one person or a small team of people. Um, but I think that, you know, we're in Ah, really interesting period of time right now with all of the, um the fire's going on between California and Australia, which is so horrific, and I just happened to have read an article about this this morning. So it's on my mind, and I think that, you know, making individual impact is so important. But sometimes it's also important to zoom out and focus on the greater impact that we have and that we can have. And so my things got if I could give a five minute speech to the world, it would probably be about you know, the incremental ways that we can significantly contribute to the macro impact of the

Jason Frazell:   20:41
world. Nice. I love that. Thank you. So this is the part of the show where you get to share with us whatever you'd like about your journey to today and I don't mean it can be today. Like the day we're recording this, but not necessarily. Just, like gently. Like what's brought you here today and what you're up to in the world.

Arielle Sadan:   21:02
Um, so I told you a little bit about wearing from I

Jason Frazell:   21:06
had a question. I actually had a question. You're so you're a first generation American with both. Your parents are Israeli. Yes, I got it. And you were born here in the United States.

Arielle Sadan:   21:16
I waas. Yes. The first person in my in my immediate family to be born here. So the only one who can run for president. Um, you think I probably got my passport, the fastest on the timeline of anybody in my family, but yeah. Um, So yes, first person my family born here, my parents moved here in the eighties of my two older siblings. And so I think that's really where most of my journey starts is growing up in an Israeli household in the suburbs of New York. Um, I I think that really started my fascination with being multi lingual and being multicultural and having exposure to different places and different people. Um, I always loved it when people in school would ask me, Say something in Hebrew and I could see the most basic thing like doll. It's a humble again. Do you want a hamburger? And they would, you know, be over the moon. Yeah, and super impressed. And it's really easy to impress five year old Um But, um, I think that really sparked this interest in, you know, something more expansive than where I grew up. And I was very fortunate. Thio, you know, be able to travel a lot in my life. Um, I studied spay. I studied Spanish in Spain for two summers. I spent a summer in china studying Chinese. Um, I went to business school in Israel and Barcelona. So

Jason Frazell:   22:53
what's true? Did you go to what school do you want to? And

Arielle Sadan:   22:57
Israeli went to Tel Aviv University on the night of my masters at the Collar School of Management, and I studied for a semester in Barcelona University, called i E S e Business school. Um, and it was just one of the most amazing experiences. You know, my whole master's program of just being intensively exposed to people from so many different countries, backgrounds, experiences you know people who grew up in one country, but their parents are from another country. And then they went to school somewhere else and spoke seven languages and danced tango. And, um, it's ah, just very, um, in throwing, I think Oh, within And that exposure has always been, you know, part of what gets me excited about people. You're learning more about them figuring out what makes them tick, their intricacies, how different cultures communicate with each other, how they make people reflect on themselves. Um, even today I had a call with someone from Israel and trying to coach someone from a very different country is ah can be really challenging, especially when you don't know the intricacies. So I guess I have the benefit of, you know, hey, a little bit insider information about how they tick. Um, so I just I find it really fascinating to try and break down those those nuances. Um, and I guess that's part of what also brought me to coaching was, you know, the love of figuring out what makes people tick and how they can take better and work with or work through, the different cultural and family dynamics that sort of got them where they are. Toe even better versions of bells.

Jason Frazell:   24:54
So couple things. I was fortunate enough to go to Tel Aviv in November of 18 2001 of the coolest cities in the world. My opinion state best. I stay right on Rothschild and we I was there for work and we had Ah, let's just say we had a very good time. It's a very ah, very. It's a very easy place to go and stay out really late. Let's just leave it as I'm sure you know that like every night we were there for five nights during the weekend, every night it was act like Who are these people like? These are all like university of her Tel Aviv University students were partying before in the morning, along with all the people doing business there. So I love I love Tel Aviv and we got to go to Jerusalem and I went to that at sea and went to Assad and all that. So Israel's amazing country, um so between between finishing So when you did your degrees, did you do them consecutive consecutively before going into the workforce?

Arielle Sadan:   25:50
Uh, no. So I did my undergrad at Tufts University outside of Boston, and I studied English lit, which was awesome. Um, definitely gave me an opportunity to Well, even were madly in love with reading and with books and fiction. Uh, and then I went to go work in. Financial service is consulting, which was a big departure from what I studied, but was really interesting and gave me an opportunity to work in some of the big New York. Thanks, um, and get a lot of really good corporate exposure. And then I went to work at an education start up here in New York, doing a lot of business development, Um, client relations, things like bad and realized that I wanted to dio something totally different, but I had no idea what So I did what most people in that position do when I went to business school, Um, which was both very helpful and very not helpful, because what most people don't tell you about business school is that it doesn't really help you figure out what you really want to. D'oh.

Jason Frazell:   26:57
So I didn't I didn't ever go to business school, but I have a lot of Yeah, yeah, when I and I had a great career in corporate, but one of the things that strikes me about business school for some people. And maybe you can correct me if you're in a career path that you don't need to have an MBA. It's actually a really good distraction for a couple of years. It's like a really good way to distract yourself from like, Oh, I don't actually need to figure out for two more years when I'm actually going to do. Is that it? Was that your experience at all?

Arielle Sadan:   27:26
Well, I think you know it. It's a degree that can fit whatever purpose you need it to fill. So for people, people most often use it for some sort of either big leap on the corporate ladder, or they use it to pivot, you know, geographically or industry or function that they're in. So if you let's say you're working in sales in tech sales, but you want to work in H. R. In medical devices, that's a pretty big leap. So business schools like a good story about how you pivoted, Um, bye. Yes, it can also serve as a really good distraction Um, But what generally ends up happening in my experience is that go to business school. You learn a ton, you have a lot of fun more often than not, because you create a great network and they're wonderful people. And it's so diverse. And you know all of the great things about it. Yeah, um, but business, school, and a lot of times, often, like certain colleges, it's geared on getting you a job. Probably a good job also. But unless geared on helping you figure out what is that the right job to set myself up for a career that I will really be fulfilled in. And for some people, it does it. You know, they eh, find something that get in a path that they're really happy with. Um, but for people who have a little bit less clarity, they end up taking a job and then a year or two in realizing that it's not sustainable or they're still not fulfilled or they're not happy and they need to do another pivot. And then it becomes a little bit more challenging. No toe to figure out what your next step is. That sort of where I ended up also.

Jason Frazell:   29:18
Yes. And then you and you were mentioning you got into coaching. So that's that's what you're doing full time today, right?

Arielle Sadan:   29:26
Yes. Yes. So I worked in consulting out of business school. Like most business school students, Um, and I really loved it. I had a great experience. I got to travel a lot. Um, meet amazing clients, work with really big companies, make a lot of impact and also realized that my impact was more valuable in a different context. So I moved into the coaching world, and I've Yeah, I've been doing this full time for a while, and it's great. Now I'm very,

Jason Frazell:   29:56
very cool. And you figure it out and you figure it out pretty early in your career to it. Like for me. I've only, you know, we've been doing this full time around the same time, period. And they took me 11 years longer than you to figure it out. So and including, like, I also didn't go to any sort of, um ah, program like graduate programs. So I like, literally worked. Like the day I graduated college. I was in the workforce that next Monday, so yeah, and It wasn't that I hated my career anything. But it wasn't. It wasn't my thing. So, kudos to you for, like, taking the the leap that just go after it, like, you know, early on, Like picking up on that because I think a lot of people get trapped in the money or this prestige. Or like you probably heard this and coaching like you should all over yourself. Like I should be doing this. I should be doing that. And you end up like, Wait, how did I get here? And then you end up in your later in your career where you really can't. It's really hard to do anything else because you're kind of pigeonholed into one. Think at that point,

Arielle Sadan:   30:56
yeah. Yeah.

Jason Frazell:   30:57
Regrets to you. Awesome. And so the other thing we talk about is you. You live in the tristate area. You are, I believe, single based what you said earlier. That

Arielle Sadan:   31:08
dress. Yes, I am

Jason Frazell:   31:10
six year. Got everybody listening. She is single.

Arielle Sadan:   31:13
Yes, Sky folks out there. My mother would be very happy if it's brought me some.

Jason Frazell:   31:22
Do I get a finder's

Arielle Sadan:   31:22
fee? I'm sure we can arrange something with my mom.

Jason Frazell:   31:28
was like, How do you get out? As many podcast is possible cause it's time

Arielle Sadan:   31:31
she'll definitely cook you a meal if you make something happen so

Jason Frazell:   31:35
fantastic. I love it. Well, uh, we'll make sure we make it very clear how to get a hold you by the end of the episode.

Arielle Sadan:   31:43
That's not embarrassing at all. Don't not

Jason Frazell:   31:45
embarrassing at all. But embarrassment. Embarrassing is is a small thing compared to true love. So

Arielle Sadan:   31:51
that's true. Multi spirit. Sure.

Jason Frazell:   31:53
Awesome. Well, thanks for sharing that. Yeah, it's a cool journey, and you've obviously done a lot of great stuff, all right? And you and I know you and Jake together as a team and also you separately in your private practice air, creating all sorts of amazing things for your clients to work with. No, thanks for sharing all that. And you're probably gonna be excited about this next thing where you get to ask me anything So you get to pick on me for a little bit. So yes, area. What would you like to ask me that I can answer for the audience and for

Arielle Sadan:   32:21
you? One of the things that I think would be really helpful for people who had very similar first impressions as I did. Yeah, is what's going through your head when you're not smiling or laughing.

Jason Frazell:   32:38
Ah, this is great. I love this. We think about that. Well, a lot of the audience knows I was in sales and I sold technology. So I think part of this what goes to my head or the impression that I give off is, is a bit of a remnant from that world, because most and this is not a stereotype. This is just the facts about my career. I'm mostly sold to men, and, you know, there's always a dynamic between buyers and sellers. And, you know, the whole proved to me. It's like, Who's the Alpha male? So I think on I'm working through this. But I think the first habit that I have with my natural place to go would be a, um would be a uh oh, that's a great question. So what is going through my mind when people get the first impression that I'm serious? One definitely judging people. I'm a big assessor. Ah, have a very like I have this like, um, detective, part of my personality or in coaching called your survival mechanism. I call it my cynical Sherlock Holmes. Some boys like assessing. Yeah, but I don't Yeah, I don't think this is This isn't specific to you at all. But you know what I think it is? I don't like what? I don't like the way. Look, when I smile, I just realized that so I think because it doesn't feel natural, it first to me, like your thing about not feeling natural about setting people up. I would like for me like I don't feel natural when I smile at first. And so I think what subconsciously going through and thank your trading A breakthrough for me literally live on the show today. Good. Good coaching is that I'm self conscious. What? Smiling too early Side don't. And it's also interesting because, you know, in the coaching program that I just graduated from, people would be like, You're so lovable and like, so fun. And it's like you said in the room with the stove Look on your face. I'm like, yeah, because I don't like I'm just not any motor. And for me to like be Maur expressing my face especially for me people would be super weird for me like it would not like. Your time would be an authentic in front of a room. Be super weird for me to like. It would feel fake to me, so I don't do it now. Could I grow into that? Yes. And I think you're inspired me to pass to practice that a bit, but would usually what's going through my mind when I meet somebody. And you know, I'm 42 now, So I've had some experience of this generally. Now that I'm doing my own thing, my first impressions of people are almost always true and they almost always exceed my expectations, which is really, really fun way to go through life because I don't think that a lot of people go through life like that, and I know I didn't use to either. So I think you make me think about this. I've never had this question under this. I think what's actually going through my mind is like, what do I think about this person? Not from like I'm not like, you know, it's like a physical thing. Or like, um, I'm gonna like them. We're gonna become friends. They're gonna be on my podcast. It could be a client. It's not like that. It's just more like, What's this interaction gonna be like? Because I am. I have a friend, Marie, who was on the show on Episode five. She's amazing. So we have this interesting context around people. Her context around people is people are punks and therefore it. It's hard for me to connect with a lot of them. And we actually talked about this. I have a context around. Life is like people are punks. But I love them anyway, like, you know, like like it's like I have a high bar off, like people showing up, being on time, being accountable, high integrity, all those things and just conscious like it's just challenging the shop like that is a human being. So all this long winded answer to say what's actually going through my mind is I think, what I'm actually thinking, that I hope I like this person because it's for me to not like a person is rare, like there are not many people that I'm like. I'm don't want to spend time with that person, and there's really only two types of people, people that are whiny all the time, and, um, and people that just take themselves too seriously like we talked about. So, yeah, I think that's what's going through. My mind is I think I'm like, calibrating, assessing, judging and also like, subconsciously, just not emoting. And that's really all there is to it. Nothing more than that that I could come up with next time. Next time I catch myself, I'm definitely reach out to be like, Ah, this is the other thing I'm doing now. You have created a new A new awareness for me. A nice positive psychology. Nice misery, Very

Arielle Sadan:   37:35
good. I mean, it's It's the first time someone's called me a wizard, but I will take it and embrace that. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:   37:43
you can use that in one of your testimonials. When you're working with clients is like I've been called a wizard.

Arielle Sadan:   37:48
I love that I'll do that. Endorse Sambuca E.

Jason Frazell:   37:52
I will endorse it for with wizard wizardry.

Arielle Sadan:   37:58
Just waiting for my Hogwarts invite to come through the mails

Jason Frazell:   38:01
Exactly. She is one heck of a not a non Muggle. Yes. Awesome. Well, thank you for the thank you for the really cool question this, man that you could tell me. I was like, Whoa. Like I've never thought about that.

Arielle Sadan:   38:15
I'm glad.

Jason Frazell:   38:16
Yeah, Thank you so much for that. And now I'm gonna rip the microphone back away from units back. Now, I get to go back and ask you some more questions. Freddy, that was that was super uncomfortable. Not really. But, uh, it's Ariel. What are you passionate about,

Arielle Sadan:   38:33
huh? I, um Well, I feel like the first thing I want to say is that I'm passionate about my work and passionate my clients really passionate and excited. Um, on top of both of those things about the business that I'm building with Jake, who you've had on the show and who introduced us. And so our company revel in awe is about finding, uh, wonder and finding direction and really embracing journey towards those things. Um, and I think that it's really exciting to be able to create programming and off philosophy around those things because it's something we so often just forget to incorporate into our daily lives and to our lives at all. Um, so you know, the Ah, I guess that's something that really gets me excited and gets my creative juices flowing that I'm really like juice, really digging my hands into, um And I'm really passionate about traveling and, um, getting more exposure to the world, Expanding my mind. Um, and yeah, spending time with my friends and my family. I have five nieces and nephews, so I'd better be a very passionate And because they are great. Are

Jason Frazell:   40:13
they Are they local here in the Tri State?

Arielle Sadan:   40:15
They are there any work until they start going off to college.

Jason Frazell:   40:21
Oh, how old are they?

Arielle Sadan:   40:23
The oldest is 11 and 1/2 and the youngest is 10 months.

Jason Frazell:   40:29
Oh, congratulations. That's awesome.

Arielle Sadan:   40:31
Thank you.

Jason Frazell:   40:32
It's so fun. Yeah, I think I think you know I have our daughter Will be for a Sunday, February 2nd.

Arielle Sadan:   40:38
It's amazing Hitch. It's a great age. It's a great age.

Jason Frazell:   40:41
Most of the time, most of the time. Yeah, she's awesome. But yeah, it's definitely an interesting age because you're like and I don't know if you've seen this in your in your and your niece is at all, but where you start to see her like, Oh, there's And as his parents very it is apparent is it's so obvious where you're like, Oh, there's my personality Oh, there's my personality that isn't that great Like like my wife and I are both extremely competitive. And our daughter, like, hates losing. Like if we run in the sidewalk together and one of anybody beats her, she gets really pissed off. And I'm like, Oh, so she's basically just like me Like she does not like losing. Um, that's cool. That's awesome. So you have a lot of family, and, um, you get to see it often, which is really, really nice.

Arielle Sadan:   41:32
I do. I'm very fortunate that

Jason Frazell:   41:33
it's very cool. So what's the thing that you're most proud of?

Arielle Sadan:   41:42
I I think that I'm most. I think I'm most proud of a leap that I took quite blindly, I may say, from corporate, too, building my own business. I left. I left pretty far into that abyss without having too much of a concrete plan, just knowing somewhere deep inside and some weird hidden Tess inside my myself in my soul that that was the right thing to Dio. Um, and most people thought I was crazy, and I did it anyway. And the things that, Uh, it was like a real show of bravery and self trust that, um, I feel both fortunate to have found, but also very proud to have found and created from it.

Jason Frazell:   42:41
Yeah, it's awesome. It's one of the one of the, uh, through lines on this show from everybody. I talk to you and most everybody that I have on the show has taken some big risk in some way, whether it be business or whether it be moving to someplace or even if they're working in a corporation like creating something on the side. It's like people like, Oh, that's sillier. That's stupid. And I think the thing that everybody has in common and I'll include myself with this is nobody regrets it. No, nobody has been like, you know, I tried that thing I always wanted to do, and I really regret it like nobody has said that. Everyone's like It's the best thing I ever did. Whether or not it worked out, I learned a lot about myself and I I like I grew so much. So, uh, I applaud you. You know what? You and I are similar, like both worked in corporate and like that's and were good what we did, and we both decided to take that leap, and it's very scary. But, uh, it's cool to see someone like you has crushed it out there doing your thing, um, and living your purpose and doing it from a place like, you know, the thing I'd say about you and Jake is you guys are obviously having a lot of fun together. Which man? How cool is it that you get to make money, having fun and getting to trade a difference in the world? Because my jobs and corporate we're not always fun?

Arielle Sadan:   43:54
Yes. Um, yeah, we're really lucky on. And it's definitely one of the things that we try to incorporate as much as possible, because so easy to get bogged down in in details in admin and stress and strain, but, uh, ability Thio, keep things fun and playful and exciting is definitely something or we're pretty proud of.

Jason Frazell:   44:18
Congratulations. Very cool. So have a few more questions for you. If you have a few more minutes to spend with myself and with the audience said OK, yeah, great aerial, but is something you're afraid might actually be true about you and let's take it out of the dating room because I think we've done a pretty good job of covering a t least that at least the whole, like, set up part of it. I think you've done a pretty good job of covering that off. So again, Like what? Something that you're afraid might actually be true. But

Arielle Sadan:   44:53
I hadn't even thought about taking it into the dating realm. Um, but,

Jason Frazell:   44:57
well, we can if you want. I mean, it's always

Arielle Sadan:   44:58
interesting. Um, you know, I think one of the things that I'm afraid might be true. And I think that this is something that is pretty human. Um, is and I really hope it doesn't come off as self aggrandizing, but I'm afraid I'm actually really going to be successful. Oh, that And I think it scares me because then you have toe have toe live into it every day and keep up that momentum. And right now, when my businesses is still small and growing, But that's something that I can hedge a little bit. Um, I can still, you know, almost complain about how small everything is and how stressful it is to grow the business. There's there is, um, like a little personal shot. And Freud, you know, like you're there's joy in the complaining. Um, but with things start going really good. You don't really have that as much anymore. The complaints are still there. They're just about other things. And I think that, um, I'll be very happy when that happens. And, um, there's something about it that terrifies me.

Jason Frazell:   46:31
Yeah. So the second part of this question is, what do you do to compensate for that beer?

Arielle Sadan:   46:40
I mean, I don't I don't know that it's so much compensating for it, but, um, I think I do try toe push through it almost were At least take it along with me. I'm very lucky that I worked with another coach right closely. So we we talk about this kind of stuff, right? I think that it's not something that, uh, ever really goes away for people who have this kind of fear. Um, but you can learn Thio, you know, get a different kind of bag for it. That's more comfortable. Um, you know, like a to strap backpack instead of a cross body messenger bag. So that at least you're you're carrying it in a more balanced kind. Hey, um and I think but recognizing it and realizing that it's not the enemy, you know, fear isn't the enemy here. That's also something that really helps Toe toe, you know, quiet the quiet A fear a little bit.

Jason Frazell:   47:51
Yeah, it's beautiful. You probably know more about this than me from, like reading but positive psychology and stuff. But we did talk about this a little bit and the coaching program that I just finished up the idea that most humans, as we start to get success, we like we actually sabotage ourselves. Have you ever read about this? Is that sound familiar to you? Because I know it's familiar to me.

Arielle Sadan:   48:14
Yeah, I mean, definitely. I think it's a common theme. I've definitely seen it with my clients, even with myself. Uh, when you know you find ways to make things harder for yourself, I think that's pretty common. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:   48:31
totally. Yeah, because it's like it because I know for me the context is always like you have to work really hard and like, Oh, this is like it. Some days I'm like, is it really possible that have this much fun and actually create a meaningful living. And it's like I'm moving into the space now off. Um, it's feels inevitable to me as well. Like my business is taking off. The podcast is taking off. It's like this shouldn't be this easy, like this needs to be hard, like how could actually make this more difficult because otherwise, like, there's no way no, no, this has to be really difficult. And, um, yeah, I just think, Yeah, it's that I think it's the same thing for most of us who are really driven at well educated people who have had success in other years of our lives will be moving to something that's new and different is yeah, just the whole idea of like it's all possible. It's all inevitable. And I want to thank you for the answer because I think I I also really identify with that. I think I live in that kind of that same context. At least it feels that way now. I want I want to ask you to make a promise to me in front of the audience today and can you make the promise me without without me without knowing what it is. Do you trust me enough?

Arielle Sadan:   49:45
I d'oh, I will. I'll make

Jason Frazell:   49:46
this problem. All right, So when you're when you're massive, will you come back on and do the show again?

Arielle Sadan:   49:53
0 100% 1 huh? Yes.

Jason Frazell:   49:56
You all heard it here first. Like when you're like, uh, the next Mel Robbins are like, whoever. You whoever you decide you want to be going to be yourself. But whatever you create in the world when you and Jake are like, have your own television show like you are both still gonna come back on my show again. That

Arielle Sadan:   50:11
stuff. You heard it here

Jason Frazell:   50:11
first, folks. Awesome. Thank you so much.

Arielle Sadan:   50:14
It's on the record. Yes,

Jason Frazell:   50:16
it is recorded for audio for all time and on the interwebs. So we gotta time for a couple more questions. We're gonna wrap this up here in a few minutes. Love does just get your general philosophy on life. Like what I mean by that is like, how do you know? What's the lens you view the world through? Like, how do you generally operate?

Arielle Sadan:   50:37
I think that, you know, one of my biggest I have I like to think about it a little bit, you know, part of it is philosophy. Part of it is values. Part of it is, you know, the experiential, you know, build up that clouds your your vision or colors your vision. Let's say, um so one of my core values is comfort, Mom, and also humor. So I think that I tried to integrate those things into as many aspects of my life as possible. I tryto I consider myself a funny person. Even if I'm the only one laughing at my own jokes. I you know, I only wear comfortable shoes. It's very rare to find me and a pair of heels, and I also think it's really important to create environments where people feel comfortable where I feel comfortable. Um, and that's not that I don't push myself out of my comfort zone or push others, but, um, you know, creating that psychological safety for people to do that and enter that space, um, I think is really important on. I definitely tried to do that. Both know at work, but even or so outside of work, So I think that those are probably the two things that propel me the most in the way that I approach things. Yeah,

Jason Frazell:   52:05
I love this. It's

Arielle Sadan:   52:05
not funny. It's not fun.

Jason Frazell:   52:08
Yeah, Yeah, I think this is where you and I were So comfort is not one of my greatest commitment. So I So I call that your greatest commitments. And, um, I have three minutes to excellence to connection and to fund. So you and I actually shit to me, like fun play humor. It's all kind of the same. It's all in the same, obviously, the same realm. And when your view the lens through, what I heard for you is like, hey, like, I'm gonna be in a podcast today or him and going work of this corporate client, er, does this new client do I feel comfortable with him? And is it is there fine or is there humor in it? And like looking at everything that you do through that lens and knowing that that's like when you're when you're showing up, is your most power itself is is a very freeing thing that I never realized for myself until about eight months ago, and now I gotta know how it goes for you. But when I look at it all things like creating a podcast. Does it create? Do I see it as something that's excellence? And, yes, it's always a work in progress and City's better. Hopefully doesn't allow me to connect, does it allow me connected? Is it fun? And if it's all three, it's like for me. If the all three of those things are checked, I'm almost always a hell. Yes, almost always as long as there's obviously safety and financial concerns. But generally it's a hell. Yes. So here for you like comfort and humor. Like if you got those two things, you're probably shown up pretty powerfully.

Arielle Sadan:   53:22
Yeah, Yeah. Awesome. I like that.

Jason Frazell:   53:24
That's awesome. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. All right, so where can the audience find you? Okay. How can they connected to you and learn more about you and learn more

Arielle Sadan:   53:34
about the company so they can follow me on instagram, um, at revel in all or go to our website, revel in ah dot com. Um, they can also go to my personal website. Ariel Sadan duck. Um or check out my instagram r e l sit on underscore, coach. Um so lots of different ways to get in touch with me. Um, and I really look forward to being in touch with your unity. It sounds like you built something really wonderful so far. And I'm please like to see how it continues to grow.

Jason Frazell:   54:11
Yeah, and if I'm half kidding, if they want to find you on dating apps, I'm kidding. We won't be

Arielle Sadan:   54:17
Oh, just reach out to me on Instagram. It's thirsty,

Jason Frazell:   54:22
Ember. And she's like, just the arm on Instagram. She'll check out your profile should look at the pictures of your food that you've taken and decide if it's a good match and she'll let you know

Arielle Sadan:   54:31
in just a warning that Jake also reads the revel in awe. Instagram D'oh! So make sure you're addressing it to the right person.

Jason Frazell:   54:38
Good. He would probably have quite the kick out of that Would be hilarious.

Arielle Sadan:   54:42
He would He would never let me live that down so

Jason Frazell:   54:45
well that that would create humor, which is what you're committed to. So that's perfect. That's true. You were at your own expense. Well, I want to thank you for being on Today was awesome to get to know you like I had mentioned the beginning. We don't really know each other. I feel like I know quite a bit about, you know? So thank you for coming on today and spending the time with us. Yeah, I would love it if you would leave. Leave myself in the audience with some area words of wisdom. And these words of wisdom should fit on an instagram post. Not the text part of the Post, but the picture part of the post. They had a guest, like, get contentious to me. Like in a fun way about that. I'm like, No, the picture on instagram or on a post it note. So what words wisdom do you have for us to leave us with today?

Arielle Sadan:   55:28
Oh, my goodness. Um, being concise is not one of my strength. Um, we're going through Hey, um, I think being aware of your fear does not mean that you need thio. Um, toe live into it. Uh, yeah. So you can know that it's there and you don't have to give in.

Jason Frazell:   56:05
Yeah, it's awesome. Thank you. That those air that's very wise. And I love that I'm taking that wise. You are wise. I'm telling you, not only do you feel wise, I am acknowledging you for your wisdom. Those air definitely words with

Arielle Sadan:   56:18
him. Well, make sure that you also include words of wisdom and wizardry because apparently

Jason Frazell:   56:26
on the show notes and on the marketing that will do for this episode, wizardly will definitely be inside of all that. Well, I want to thank you one more time for being on today. It's been a delight, and I'm sure we'll be seeing each other very soon.

Arielle Sadan:   56:38
Sounds great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Hi.

Jason Frazell:   56:44
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