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So anyway, hope you"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3216.26,"endTime":3218.78,"body":"enjoyed today in this episode,"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3216.26,"endTime":3218.78,"body":"and we'll see you guys again"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3218.78,"endTime":3220.04,"body":"next time you."}]}