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You know, no,"},{"speaker":"Jeff Leake","startTime":3482.82,"endTime":3485.7,"body":"you're gonna get good grades."},{"speaker":"Jeff Leake","startTime":3485.7,"endTime":3487.08,"body":"You don't fear the report card."},{"speaker":"Jeff Leake","startTime":3485.7,"endTime":3487.08,"body":"No,"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3487.08,"endTime":3489.36,"body":"make the most of"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3487.08,"endTime":3489.36,"body":"every opportunity. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3489.6,"endTime":3491.22,"body":"absolutely. Any closing"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3489.6,"endTime":3491.22,"body":"thoughts?"},{"speaker":"Jeff Leake","startTime":3493.44,"endTime":3495.6,"body":"No, I think this was"},{"speaker":"Jeff Leake","startTime":3493.44,"endTime":3495.6,"body":"a really good discussion."},{"speaker":"Jeff Leake","startTime":3495.66,"endTime":3496.86,"body":"Hopefully it was helpful."},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3496.86,"endTime":3498.72,"body":"Hopefully it was"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3496.86,"endTime":3498.72,"body":"helpful. All right. Well, hey,"},{"speaker":"Dave Leake","startTime":3498.72,"endTime":3502.52,"body":"we appreciate you joining us. 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