Rico and The Man

Star Wars Shake-Ups, Awards Season, Hamnet, Childhood Movie Trauma and More!

• Rob Traegler and Peter Martino • Season 6 • Episode 2

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Peter’s Dry January hits a speed bump, Star Wars drops Kathleen Kennedy as Disney rethinks Galaxy’s Edge, the boys recap the strange choices at this year’s Golden Globes, and Papa Tregs jumps in with a spoiler-free love letter to Hamnet before spiraling into the movies that traumatized us as kids.





Liz:

On today's show.

Papa Tregs:

No, I just wanted to defend it. Put it at the top of your last time.

Liz:

I'm gonna stick your freaking head in there.

Papa Tregs:

No one lied to you.

Liz:

When I killed your brother. You're listening to Rico and the Man with Rob Tregler and Peter Martino.

unknown:

Rico and the Man.

Rob:

Welcome back to Rico and the Man. I'm Rob Tregler. Always, always, always, always, always, always, always joined by Mr. Peter Martino. Always joined by me. There's the man of Rico and the Man. The man that brings it all together. The strike that stirs the drink. How are you, sir? Very good. How are you? I'm okay. Busy, busy, busy. Rushing around like a chicken with my head cut off. You know, you know, the grind. Rise and grind, as they say, right, bruh?

Peter:

Right, bruh. Gotta get that bread, bruh.

Rob:

It's all about the hustle. It's all about the grind, bruh.

Peter:

Yeah, you were a little bit confused about what time we're starting, right? You gave me one time and then you text me an hour earlier before that time saying, hey, I'm gonna be like five minutes late. And I'm like, wait a minute. Didn't he say No, you're an hour and five minutes early. And then you're like, well, I could do a half hour from now.

Rob:

So I'm like, okay. Sorry, bro. So sorry. I I got my times mixed up. The three hour people don't realize you're on the East Coast. I'm on the West Coast. Right. It's like 10:30 p.m. It's only 7:30 here. So I literally leave work and do the show. You've done your whole night before you even get on the air.

Peter:

Yeah, but we both kind of have it hard because you probably just get home and you just want to like relax, eat something, you know, and you have to like get right into this. So it's it's not easy for either of us, I can imagine. I believe it was our last episode where you remember when I said that I was going to do try January? Yes.

Speaker 6:

I'm just kidding.

Peter:

Oh no, really? Already. I had a little bit of a slip up this today, actually. Already. Already. So it's January 15th. I mean, you called it because you're like, you know, you have to try to avoid all these like social gatherings where like you go out and like because that's the time that you're gonna want to drink. So of course, today work has this happy hour inside the building. It's also free boo free booze on the company's dime. And of course, you know, they go down there with uh some co-workers, and they only had like beer and wine. And I I didn't drink a whole beer, I had a little bit of beer and like one of those little plastic, you know, those plastic cups they usually put like wine in at these parties. That's what I had it, and so it wasn't even like maybe like a half a bottle of beer in there, but I just did it to be social and you know, I did, I did, I did cave, I'll admit it, but it's just it's hard to do.

Rob:

It's the pressure of going out, it's the pressure of going out, and it's hard, it's hard to do that, and people rely on that social lubricant.

Peter:

I rely on a lot of lubricant, but it's it's just you know it's just one of those things, and there was another co-worker of mine who was also doing dry January, so we kind of made a pack that like if she did it, I'll do it, and vice versa. And she did, but we didn't we both didn't feel good about it afterwards.

Rob:

There is no dry January now, it's cancelled.

Peter:

No, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to make it to the end of the month. I made it really this was the see you next week, Pete. This was the half half mark stumble, but I'm going to get back on my feet and finish a race without stumbling again. I guarantee you.

Rob:

You guarantee? All right, folks. Let's put it on the dry January clock. Let's see if by the end of this episode he can't have a drink.

Peter:

Anyway, breaking news. I don't know if you have the breaking news music. There we go. Thank you. You're always prepared. This is why I love you.

Rob:

What is the breaking news?

Peter:

Star Wars Shake Up. Kathleen Kennedy steps down. Whoa. What? You didn't hear it?

Rob:

No, I did not hear this. Kathleen Kennedy is out at Lucasfilm.

Peter:

This is breaking news to you. Yes. After 14 years guiding Star Wars, uh, this is per Hollywood reporter, by the way. Uh, after 14 years guiding uh Star Wars into the modern era, through all its ups and downs, Kathleen Kennedy is stepping down as a president of Lucasfilm. Wow. Holy shit. Yeah. And they say that in her week, executive VP and Chief Creative Officer Dave Fallone has been promoted to oversee the creative direction of the company as president and chief creative officer. So there you go. She is out. It's it took a lot longer than I thought it was, honestly, but it sounds like she is finally going to be leaving.

Rob:

We've heard the rumblings for a while that she was gonna leave, but she finally did. And what that article gets wrong is that they said there were ups and downs. It's actually just downs, really, if you look at it.

Peter:

I mean uh there's been some successes. Well, there's been The Mandalorian, there's been Rogue One and Andor, I consider successes. Yeah, few and far between. But you're right, but you're right. More downs than ups.

Rob:

There was more downs than ups, and the Star Wars brand, what made it so special, I think, was the rarity of it. You know, I feel like it was this trilogy that was safe and locked away for many, many, many, many years. And then Lucas opened the vault and made the prequel trilogy, which is funny because when it came out, it was widely panned, everyone was let down, and somehow it grew this following that now it is just as beloved as the original trilogy by people. Yeah. But I don't think that the sequel trilogy is ever going to be beloved by anyone.

Peter:

Yeah, they're definitely due for a fresh perspective.

Rob:

Well, Felone ain't fresh.

Peter:

Well, you know what I mean. Just another another leader there. And who knows, maybe this could be for the better. But it sounds like she's not retiring completely. It sounds like she's gonna continue, you know, in some fashion in the entertainment industry. We just don't know what. Oh no, those those execs, they never die. They never die. They're they're like fucking government officials, yeah. You know, they never go away. They never go ahead.

Rob:

The thing is though, Kathleen Kennedy had an insurmountable task to take over Lucasfilm, the brand, and Star Wars and Indiana Jones. I mean, I don't think in this era anyone was going to succeed at that.

Liz:

Right.

Rob:

You know, people forget, you know, everyone was like, boo, Kathleen Kennedy, boo, but people forget her resume. I mean, part of pretty much every blockbuster movie ever made, you know, like, you know, a hand in some of the best filmmaking of all time. So, you know, when she was announced, I was like, that's a perfect choice. It makes so much sense. Whatever happened happened with Star Wars. And you and I were on board for the beginning of the sequel trilogy for sure. We were, we were there, we were signed up.

Liz:

Yeah.

Rob:

And the fans got the best of the movie making. I feel that after The Last Jedi, they just listened too hard to feedback and made a movie that was trying to please the wrong people with Rise of Skywalker. That's my take.

Peter:

Lucas did, I guess, trust her enough to because he's the one that handed her this position. So I wonder, interested to see what he thinks about the whole thing and if he gave uh blessings for Falone.

Rob:

I mean, I know he loves Falone. I know that him and Falone worked together a lot on clone wars and things like that.

Peter:

I heard he also likes baloney. Is that true? He likes Faloney and Cowboy hats. Polone and Faloney. That's big news in the Star Wars world. Some other news this week that just came out is that Disney is actually doing away with its time restriction on Galaxy's Edge, because originally they were that whole storyline of Galaxy's Edge was supposed to take place between episode eight and nine, and only the characters in the land would be represented from that era. But now they're opening it up and they're introducing Han Solo, Darth Vader, Luke. All the characters that we grew up and loved, and they're just kind of doing away with the timeline, but they say they're gonna still try to integrate these characters in their own respective storylines within the land.

Rob:

I did read that, and I, you know, go to the tape. I mean, you just have to go to the tape of this show. I can't tell you how many times I said they should have done that to start with leaning so far into the sequels for an entire theme park. I always thought was the wrong move because they started it before they knew that these movies were gonna be any good. Right.

Peter:

So they were locked into like fucking Kylo Wren and fucking Yeah, I mean, uh you know, the whole Star Wars now between the novels and like all these spin-off series, like there's a whole scope and range that they could go in. So it's very hard to limit a land into just one, you know, time frame in that whole saga of stories that that they can deliver. So, I mean, it'll be better for them in the long run, too, because if they do have another Grogu or you know, another hit or anything, naturally they're gonna introduce it into that land. So I think the majority of Disney fans are excited for this. They were waiting for this as well, so it sounds like it's gonna be a good thing, and it starts happening the end of April, so it's coming up soon. I'm excited.

Rob:

Makes me want to go back. Let's do it! We'll do another live from Galaxy's Edge episode.

Peter:

Live from Galaxy's Edge with special guest stars on solo. Chubaki and Lando Cal Rizian. Hello, what have we here?

Rob:

You get going, you old pirate. He'll be saying, hello, what have we here? He'll be saying, Willn't you get going, you old pirate? He'll also be saying, Wookiees stand out in the crowd. Thank you.

Peter:

I hope though that they do more than just like have walk-around characters of these. Like, I hope they like do more experiences and like shows that kind of incorporate like the older characters.

Rob:

We really don't know where we're gonna go from here. I know Sean Sean Levy is making that Starfighter with Ryan Gosling, but I really don't know what's gonna be the future of Star Wars film and television at this point, besides that one movie. And I know The Mandalorian is coming out with a movie very soon, but everything I've seen trailer-wise looks like the TV show, and it doesn't really look all that interesting, to be perfectly honest.

Peter:

Yeah, we're gonna have to wait and see. I think it's too early to tell. Well, they are doing another Ahsoka season, right?

Rob:

Yes, they are doing that.

Peter:

I liked the first season of that. I did too. But that's the thing, it's been so long since I seen it. I don't remember what the fuck happened last time. You know, previously on. Yeah, 10 years ago on Ahsoka.

Rob:

The whole Ahsoka, Clone Wars, all that stuff, I'm not that familiar with, so it's not like I can really buy into that as much as I can with other things. Same thing with The Mandalorian, but John Favreau I love, and I've always been a big fan of his, so I can't imagine he'd make a bad movie, but we shall see.

Peter:

We shall see. We will be there, and we will give you our full review on Rico and the Man in 2029 when all this stuff comes out.

Rob:

If we're alive.

Peter:

Yes. Did you happen to catch the globes this past year?

Rob:

I did see the golden globes. I did. I once again I thought Nikki Glazer did a great job.

Peter:

Yes. I thought she did even better this time around than last time. Though she was more toight in her in her jokes and everything.

Rob:

I loved her joke about Sean Penn looking like a leather bag. Yep. You know what I liked about this year at the Globes that they started doing, which I thought was a good move? The Globes are weird, right? Because it's not like an auditorium where it's a theater where you know the first two rows are nominations. It's all seating, it's like banquet tables all over the place. So unfortunately, when someone wins, they might be like in the back of the room and it takes them 45 minutes to get to the stage. And what I liked that they did was this time around, when someone won, they just play like this early 2000s pop song when they went, when they won, as opposed to playing the score of whatever project they won for. Because, like, you know, when someone wins for adolescence, like it's gonna take them 20 minutes to get to the stage, and you don't want the music to be like you know, and it's just this weird tone. So, like this time it was just like Bruno Mars or Lady Gaga or Usher when someone would win, and I kind of dug that, it just kept the vibe up.

Peter:

It's like Stellan Skarsgard is walking up to Pink Pony Club playing. Right, yeah. Yeah, no, a lot of people were uh critical of that actually, but I actually didn't mind that. That I did that was who is critical? I want names, you know, the people on uh X or Twitter or whatever the fuck it's called, because they have so many opinions on there. Yeah, but speaking of Stellan Star uh Skarsgard, I actually did really like his speech. He said something really nice about going back to the theater. It was a good speech, very comforting to hear his voice.

Rob:

Yeah, there were some good speeches. There were some good speeches at this globes. I felt that no one got too political. I felt that nobody droned on. I felt that they were honest. I actually really loved Seth Rogan's speech when he won. He shouted out to the whole crew and you know, talked about the caterers and the grips and the like, you know, like that's what you want to hear because those are the the unsung heroes of every production.

Speaker 6:

Absolutely.

Rob:

It's not just the faces, it's the people behind the scenes. We're we're people behind the scenes, Pete. Yeah, we know.

Peter:

We know we know how that goes. Yeah. We're stuck behind the curtain, grinding those gears. You know, for no real surprises as far as winners go. You know, Jean Smart, I love her. I think she's a great actress, but my god, I mean, she wins everything that she's up for.

Rob:

Yeah, it's kind of laughable at this point. It's like whenever you see her name mentioned, you're like, oh, she's gonna get it. And she does.

Peter:

Right. Like I would have loved some people from White Lotus to win. The winners were not too surprising, but I have to see that Leonardo DiCaprio movie, though, it's on HBO now.

Rob:

So one battle after another is really good, and it's probably the only Paul Thomas Anderson film that I really like. I had no idea that he was with Maya Rudolph. Seems like such an odd pairing. Paul Thomas Anderson is with Maya Rudolph, won like 13 times, and not once thanked her.

Peter:

Yeah, isn't that weird? I noticed that too.

Rob:

Amelia and I were both like, wow, why isn't he thanking her? But maybe, I don't know, maybe they had a pact that he wouldn't. I have no idea.

Peter:

Yeah, I I said this to you before, but I am so kind of bummed out that we didn't win best podcast at the Golden Globes, do I was bummed about it too.

Rob:

I was because here's the thing podcasters finally get a category in some awards show. There should have been more podcasts nominated that aren't a celebrity podcast. I know. I mean, the only one that wasn't a celebrity was the Caller Daddy podcast. Everything else was smartless, Amy Polar, but next year I think we have a shot.

Peter:

I hope so.

Rob:

It's very political.

Peter:

It's very political, and like Bill Maher said, the reason I think that we lost is because they don't like what we have to say.

Rob:

Is that what it is?

Peter:

Because we speak freely, you know, we talk about the occasional booby or two. Whoa. I think that's I love your reaction. You're so agas, you're so aghast. Like that's it's all we talk about is boobies.

Liz:

Pete's burning them up. Next year we'll be there.

Rob:

Next year we'll be there for sure. But I was lucky, very lucky, and I'm glad this happened. So, right before the globes, like a couple days before the globes, I got a text message from my dad. Yeah. And he says, I just went and saw Hamnet alone. And I have to tell you, it's one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen. And I cried for hours after seeing it. And I was like, What? Holy shit. He's like, You have to see it. And so I went to Amelia and I said, We should probably go see Hamnet. My dad usually, him and I are usually aligned and have the same taste. And I really all of a sudden had a curiosity about it. I knew nothing about it. You know, it was not on my radar whatsoever. Right. And Chloe Zhao, who the director, I wasn't a big fan of Nomad Land. I definitely wasn't a big fan of Eternals. So I was like, let's see what this is about. I knew Spielberg and Sam Mendez produced it, and I knew that it was about Shakespeare. That was it.

Liz:

Right.

Rob:

And I gotta tell you, Amelia and I went and saw Matt Nee, and sure as shit, man, during the entire end credits, we were both fucking bawling. Really? Just bawling. It is such a good film. It is so emotional, it's gut-wrenching, but it is so powerful, and it should have won. And Jesse Buckley should have won. She is fan fucking tastic in this movie. One of the best performances I've seen in anything. And I was just like, so all of a sudden, for the Golden Globes, that's all I was rooting for. And they won.

Peter:

So do you think uh this whole win best picture?

Rob:

My plan this year is to try and see every nomination for best picture, but I'm telling you, that one's gonna be hard to beat on my list for sure.

Peter:

All right. Well, that's that's high praise coming from you. I will check it out for sure.

Rob:

Put it at the top of your list. I'll put it at the top of my list. Peter, you gotta see Hamnet. I don't know why they don't call it Hamlet, but you gotta see Hamnet.

Peter:

I don't know why, but it's very confusing. But it's a beautiful picture with beautiful people in it and a beautiful story.

Rob:

I should really get my dad on to talk about it because he saw it twice. He saw it twice? Yeah, he went right back like two days later. Wow. God bless your dad, man. In this day and age, for someone to go to the theater twice to see the same movie, it's hard enough to get into the theater.

Peter:

Well, the nominations are coming out soon for the Oscars, so we're gonna have to see what's yes, we're gonna have to do a live Rigo and the Man that morning. We're gonna be reporting live as they're announcing the winners, but we're gonna have to whisper. Because we're in the audience with a bunch of people.

Rob:

We're going to be like golf commentators. And now he's got the envelope. And he's opening the envelope and he's pulling out a card. Do I see an H on there for Hamnet? It could be an H for Hamnet. Oh, yeah.

Peter:

We got Hamnet. It's Hamnet.

Rob:

Look at that. That's got to be the best announcer gig in the business, a golf commentator. You don't have to have the projection voice.

Peter:

You don't have to be like in the three-yard line. And you don't have to like keep like the football announcers, especially. They're like fucking talking, like ad nauseum. They have to fill every void with like them talking, mentioning something, a stat or talking about a player or whatever.

Rob:

And it's always dumb. It's always like, you know, Johnson's up there on the field. He's wearing shoes. Right. And look at him. He's standing up right now on a field.

Peter:

Pretty sure he has a cup in there somewhere. He's gotta protect his marbles. Then we have Anderson coming up who's wearing red to represent the Buccaneers. Red is the Buccaneers' color, so it makes sense. He's wearing red. Buccaneers were pirates back in the 1700s.

Rob:

That exactly. That's what it's like. But actually, I was just telling you that I would really love to hear my dad's thoughts on the movie, and look who's here. It's Papa Trix. There he is, ladies and gentlemen.

Liz:

What's up, Papa Tricks? Whoa. Whoa.

Papa Tregs:

What are we talking about?

Rob:

We were just talking about the Golden Globes, and I was telling Pete how happy I was to see not only Hamnet, but Jesse Buckley win. Absolutely. And I was telling him that you were the one who got me to go to the theater to see it.

Papa Tregs:

Yeah, it's definitely a theater experience. It's not really a watch-at-home movie. People go up and get chips and stuff, and you know what I mean, and pause it here and there. And I think it needs to be viewed in one two-hour shot, and it does not feel like two hours at all.

Peter:

No, really.

Rob:

Not at all.

Peter:

So you're saying that's a theater experience because you have to really sit and be engaged in it. It's not so much the you know cinematography or anything like that.

Papa Tregs:

Oh, all that pulls you all in. And the weird thing was when I saw it by myself, this guy comes in 15 minutes into the story, which is I don't get.

Rob:

I hate that shit.

Papa Tregs:

I know. And then he's got an Apple Watch that keeps lighting up. And it's you know, and I'm like, dude, I felt like put my phone in this face. This is where but you know what? Ten minutes later, I didn't see that Apple Watch. I was too pulled into the story. And I have to say this this is the first movie in a long time where I can't find any faults. Wow. I can't. Even movies I loved, One Battle After Another, I can still find faults in them. But this one, I don't know. It seems to me like a perfect film. What do you think, Rob?

Rob:

I agree. I mean, every piece of it is beautiful. The cinematography is beautiful, the performances are all spot on, the music is beautiful, like it has these cuts to black in between scenes, and Chloe Zhao started off as an editor, and you can totally tell because it's edited perfectly, too.

Papa Tregs:

Yes, those cuts to black are so powerful because they're just the right point of time in the story, and then it jumps ahead a couple years each time. Not every time, but sometimes it cuts to black to a different scene. But most of the time it's like a three-year difference. I haven't seen anything like it. I mean, I don't know who won Best Actress the past three years, and I don't care, but I'll always remember this performance.

Rob:

Oh, yeah, she's amazing.

Papa Tregs:

You know, Rob, you and I talked about why it was Paul, is it Paul Mescal, like the tequila, or Paul Mescal?

Rob:

I've heard it both.

Papa Tregs:

Okay. Well, I kind of see why he was up for supporting actor, because he's in and out of the film. He's not there full time. It's her movie. It's her movie, for sure.

Peter:

And a weaker actress could have destroyed that movie. Yeah, no, she's she's cute. I like I like her. No, but you know what I mean. Just like her personality, she seems cute and everything.

Papa Tregs:

She she's raw in this movie. She's not, there's no makeup, there's intense, tight close-ups. I would say to myself, this woman is beautiful. You know what I mean? Naturally beautiful. You know, she took my breath away a couple of times.

Rob:

But let me ask you this, dad, because you had said this because I was bawling. Like, I'm I after the movie, like during the movie, like I'm an ugly crier. Amelia, she fucking like she cries and she looks the same when she wipes away the tears. I, for the rest of the fucking day, have red eyes. I look like I've been crying, I look like I was in a fight with somebody. I just look terrible after I cried, and the whole theater was crying.

Papa Tregs:

Oh, yeah, I I heard audible sobs.

Rob:

Steph would lose it.

Papa Tregs:

Even the non-criers were like, oh man, you know, they were at least verbally reacting, you know what I mean? The guy next to me, he didn't cry. The watch, the Apple Watch dude, but he kept going, oh man, like like he was punched in the stomach or something, you know what I mean? But here's the thing like, had you uh had me on a week ago, I'd I wouldn't be able to talk about it without tearing up. I think I it's enough time has passed now. I will definitely buy this movie, not to cry, but just to re-examine it. That's why I went back a second time and I picked up on stuff that I'd never seen, didn't catch the first time because I was so involved in just a basic story. I I've I saw little touches of Spielberg in this movie, not enough to turn it into a Spielberg film, but I I saw parts where he probably said, You might want to do this or you might want to do that.

Rob:

Why couldn't he have had a say on Dial of Destiny or the last 12 Jurassic World movies, if that's the case?

Papa Tregs:

That's a good point. Yeah, I think he was at the lunch.

Rob:

He's like he was burning some money somewhere.

Papa Tregs:

Did he even show up for the dailies?

Rob:

I mean well, I was telling Pete that you know, I don't have kids. And this movie still moved me, you know, to my core, but it's gotta be a rougher watch to people with kids, right?

Papa Tregs:

Absolutely. And when I knew you were going, I'm like, I don't know if Rob will cry because he hasn't been a parent, you know, but that shows, you know, that you're how sentimental you are and that that you do have, you know. That you do have a heart.

Rob:

Well, let's slow down, let's not go that far. That's not what I wanted to say.

Papa Tregs:

But man, I came out of there and I swear grown men next to me washing their faces in the sink, trying to hide the, you know, and that doesn't work, by the way. And then I go to Shake Shack and order a burger and look at the dude, he goes, Are you alright, man? I'm like, yeah, I just saw a movie, that's all, bro. But I didn't want to say I saw Hamlet because he looked at like 12, you know, and he's like, Hamlet, I thought it was Hamlet. That's what my students are saying. I thought it was Hamlet. I'm like, oh, I don't want to get into it right now. I tried to explain it, but they didn't even know what the word interchangeable means, so it didn't work.

unknown:

Yeah.

Rob:

But they get it out of the way right at the top of the movie. There's a card that explains it.

Papa Tregs:

And you know what? I'm reading the book, and that's the first page of the book. Well, there you go. I don't know. Is there a name today that that would apply to? Hamnet and Hamlet, whatever you call a person either one. Peter Martino or doucheball the clown. I knew that was coming. That's your best man, doucheball the clown.

Liz:

Yep.

Peter:

That's how I'm going to introduce myself to everybody.

Papa Tregs:

Here's the best man, doucheball the clown.

Peter:

Papa Tregs, what was your reaction to your son getting engaged? I didn't get your take on it. Whoa! Your P.O.B.

Papa Tregs:

I had no idea for one. And I really really good at that. Yeah, I was there, but here's the thing. When you played the audio, that's me going, Yeah.

Liz:

You should have been like, fuck yeah.

Papa Tregs:

But I had no idea, and and Jack didn't tell me, you know. So it was it was a great night, man. It was a really great night. I'm so happy I was got to be there. Yeah. The only thing is, like, I can't stay away from piano and I got in trouble for banging on the player piano. If you guys are piano there, I I'm like, I gotta play at least a half a chord. I'm not to try to impress anybody. I'm just I'm I'm addicted to keys, if that makes any sense. Beethoven over here.

Rob:

Draghoven. Tragoven. Ludwig von Trekthoven.

Peter:

Just picture your dad with the wild hair.

Papa Tregs:

I'm not putting myself in the same category as that guy. Come on.

Rob:

Yeah, no, you didn't get in trouble though, did you? Well, you told me the guy said something. No, I think I was the only one who was like, don't touch that. Yeah. And I think later the owner, she was like, it was great.

Papa Tregs:

Because then stop playing songs. So I'm like, I'll play one. I think I played Journey, don't stop believing. Don't stop. Which is actually very easy to play on the piano.

Peter:

I could teach it in like 10 minutes. There's a lot of things I would love to learn how to do, but unfortunately, I don't see it happening.

Papa Tregs:

Hey, it's never too late. I know. It's never too late, Pete. I know. I know. Since I'm self-taught, I used to like play cocktail hours at weddings, and people, I guess, that played piano would watch me and they're like, you play really weird. I'm like, I'm self-taught. Go away.

Liz:

Go away. Go away. You're playing a piano in a public place. And you're like, go away.

Rob:

At a cocktail hour, you know? Yeah, no. Pete, you say you don't play instruments, but you are a songwriter. Nice. I am. I mean, I am. I actually have a clip here of a song that Pete wrote himself. Ah, yeah.

Speaker 8:

Boobies, boobies. I love boobies. Boobies, boobies. They bring me much joy. Boobies, boobies. I love boobies. Boobies. Boobies for every girl and boy. Boobies that article.

Rob:

Not bad.

Papa Tregs:

Steve Grovin. Yeah. That's crazy, though. That's the musical right there. I can see the guy walking around the stage pointing to the small movies. The big movie. Yeah. Holding a bunch of DVDs. I'll take them off.

Peter:

He's wearing he's wearing a mask like the Phantom of the Opera.

Papa Tregs:

He's in a blockbuster, and they're like, you can't take them. I'll take them off.

Peter:

See, now we're getting somewhere, guys. This is what we need to be, you know, brainstorming.

Rob:

You know, he's saying boobies. He's not saying movies. Oh, he is?

Peter:

Oh. You don't you don't movies?

Papa Tregs:

Yeah. I like movies better. I like boobies better. I I tried to circle back to Hamlet. Oh no, it's like.

Rob:

Well, we were talking about the Golden Globes, and this was one of the awards show first award shows in a long time where like I actually watched through the whole thing and I didn't get really bored.

Papa Tregs:

I didn't like this, but you said the choice of playing party songs when people came up to see the somber music. But when Jesse Buckley went one, it was like, celebrate dead kids, come on. Yeah, that's true. It didn't work for everyone, but no, I didn't mind it. I thought it was a good choice. I didn't like those two-knuckle heads. Jesse Buckley has a size seven shoe.

Rob:

Oh, yeah, the commentators that I did not like. You're right. I completely forgot about that. And that one guy, he's been around forever. He used to do like the E-red carpets and stuff, but like he's not a guy who should be on a microphone. He's like, Noah Lyle just won for the pit. And it sounds like he's got a pit of his own at home with the twin tins. And it's like, this guy should never be near a microphone, and he's like the one guy with a microphone.

Peter:

Yeah, they just had Kevin Fraser last time doing it. And then for some reason, they stuck this Mark Malkin Malkin guy with him to like, I guess, have some kind of kind of a banter between them, but it was just very annoying and awkward.

Rob:

And Fraser's fine, he's by himself, you know, like he's got a good voice.

Peter:

Yeah, I didn't mind him last year when he was by himself.

Rob:

But then he's not fumfering around trying to come up with facts. And when they cut to him, the guy has a script.

unknown:

Yeah.

Peter:

He sounds on Mike like he's making shit up as he goes. Like the shit they were saying was so stupid. Like Timothy Chalamet thanked Kendall Jenner when he won the SAG Award. Let's see if he thanks her again.

Liz:

Like, who the fuck cares?

Rob:

I did like um Pete. You actually texted me during the globes. It was it was a nice little touch at the end of the Golden Globes when Nikki was wearing the spinal tap hat.

Peter:

Yeah, that was perfect.

Rob:

Because there's no in memoriam at the globes, and it would have brought the whole work you know room down to do anything bigger. So I thought that was a nice touch.

Peter:

Yeah, for sure.

Rob:

It was a definitely a nice touch.

Papa Tregs:

I did watch Stand By Me over the break, but man, that movie holds up.

Peter:

Yeah. I actually tried to watch it with my kids, but I didn't realize I forgot how bad it was. So we had a we had to stop. No, I tried, I actually played it and then like Oh, don't Rob got scarred for life.

Papa Tregs:

I didn't sleep for two weeks. One of my biggest regrets as a parent was letting them see that movie because I forgot about the dead body shot.

Peter:

Yeah, totally that just like all the cursing and stuff. You become so desensitized with like these movies that you grew up with because it's just been part of your life, and you you know, but to see it, you know, from a new pair of eyes, it's it's pretty bad.

Rob:

See, for me, yeah, like the cursing and all that stuff wasn't the problem for me. Like, because I was a little kid, and I was usually a loner as a little kid, so I all I did was play in the woods. That's all I ever did, right?

Papa Tregs:

Oh, that was the woods connection.

Rob:

And so at the end, when they find a dead body of a kid in the woods, for some reason, it hit me so hard, and I literally could not like sleep alone for like two weeks. Yeah, that makes sense.

Papa Tregs:

He well, and they they shouldn't have showed the face. That the green face was what did you know what I mean? These lanes sideways.

Peter:

Well, it's a Stephen King, it's based on the Stephen King, you know, short story.

Rob:

Yeah, I know you both I don't watch it, but I know you both watch Welcome to Derry.

Papa Tregs:

No, I couldn't. I mean, first episode, the a kid gets ripped in half. I'm like, I'm good. Right, Pete?

Peter:

Doesn't that happen like at the end? Yeah, so you just watch the first episode and that's it.

Papa Tregs:

Yeah, I said, yeah, it's something about killing kids. I uh yeah, I know Pete's all about the killing kids.

Peter:

Well, I mean, the the way they die, it's very, it's very supernatural. It's not like you know what I mean.

Papa Tregs:

So yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it a I don't know. Maybe I gotta watch it during the daytime.

Rob:

Too scary. I gotta come play with you while you're sleeping. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna give you the first ever ever built Sony CD player that skips every song. That's how that's how you tried to calm me down was you gave me a compact disc player, but I believe it was the first one ever invented because every CD we put in it would skip. Yeah, right. I'm sure I pounded it at some point. Yeah, I'm sure you got mad and punched it at something.

Papa Tregs:

That always works with equipment. Yeah, that never makes it worse. I felt like the worst father, you have no idea. Your mom was pissed at me. Why would you let him watch it? And I'm like, I forgot about the green body.

Rob:

I'm sorry. I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world. You know, it's like you wouldn't have known. I mean, like you wouldn't have known it would have had that effect on me, you know?

Papa Tregs:

It's like Well, you had seen Readers of the Lost Ark with faces melding. I thought, this is nothing.

Peter:

Right. Yeah, yeah, you never know what like a kid's gonna be affected by, you know what I mean?

Papa Tregs:

Like something, it's true. Like I got traumatized at his age, the same age my dad watched Lord of the Flies, the old black and white one, and there's a scene that I if you read the book, there's a scene where the meeting kids just a goofy kid with glasses, and it's just innocent. He's down below, and they push a giant rock right on top of this. Yeah, it's a fat kid, right? That they do. Yeah, yeah, Peggy, Peggy, yeah, yeah, yeah. And and then all his friends are like, Peggy, no, yeah. You know, and like nightmares for a week, but my dad wasn't trying to come and lay with me. It was me, just me in my room, and my brother tormenting me. Peggy, no. I'm like, stop.

Rob:

Pete, do you have any movies that like stuck with you as a kid that were like traumatizing? Were you all man?

Peter:

I'm all man. No, I uh child's play was a big one for me. I remember I was scared of Chucky, and I had the my buddy doll. I don't know if you guys don't know.

Rob:

Oh, yeah, it was just like Chucky.

Peter:

Yeah, it looked pretty much just like Chucky. So as soon as I saw Child's Play, that fucking thing went in the attic and like stay there because I didn't have anything to do with it after that.

Rob:

It's still there.

Peter:

Yeah. Yeah, that was a big one for me. I don't know why, but now you know, now I watch it and I'm like, what what the what the hell is it?

Rob:

Yeah, when you get older, then you go back, and like I remember watching Stand By Me as like a teenager, and I was like, what the fuck was I scared about? This is nothing, you know, but it's right, I don't know, it's at the right time, the right age, it gets you.

Papa Tregs:

Yeah, 100%. My mom didn't like all the movie movies like my dad did, so I was his movie buddy for R Radio movies when I was like 12 and 13. So he had me in Marathon Man, and you know, this is thing, you know, and they're knifing people in the street. I didn't bother me at all. Yeah. So I think he he kind of hardened me to that kind of violence.

Rob:

Well, what's funny though is you did try to respect the cursing because I remember you showed me, I don't know if it was like Terminator 2 or something, and you tried to live censor it by pausing it every time they said fuck. I'm like, just play it. I know what they're saying.

Papa Tregs:

I didn't I knew that movie that well. Yeah, you knew it enough to know when the fucks are coming. I couldn't tell you how it plays out now. All I remember is a guy getting the milk cart and sword through the mouth or whatever.

Rob:

Yeah, that was fine, but the word fuck, oh boy.

Papa Tregs:

I think a couple movies I put my hand over Jack's eyes when he was little person. Showgirls.

unknown:

Yeah.

Rob:

I think you put your hands over my eyes during the sex scene in Dances with Wolves. Oh, really?

Peter:

Yeah. Is there nudity in that though, or is it just like kind of speaking of love scenes? Are you guys watching Heated Rivalry? What everybody's talking about. I'm good.

Liz:

No penises in this mouth, son.

Peter:

Uh yeah, I uh I haven't seen it, but oh my god, everyone's talking about it now.

Papa Tregs:

I'm good. Just like I didn't see the movie with Zendayah and the the tennis players. I I have no problem with that, but it's just like wait, why are they?

Rob:

Oh, whoa.

Papa Tregs:

Whoa Double woe. That's my favorite. That's one of the most disturbing sound clips. And you don't have to connect it to that movie. It's just Harrison Ford, that's some of his best acting. I know.

Peter:

Yeah, I know, right? It's a lot of sound clips.

Rob:

It's a little too. It's like there's really in Star Wars and Indiana Jones, the two most uncomfortable things in the whole thing come from Harrison Ford because that scene when you know when he's not even on camera being tortured and in the other room. And in Temple of Doom, when he's on the Rock Crusher and the Voodoo doll, like it's so fucking like intense.

Peter:

Like I thought you were gonna say when he drank the blood of Kali was on the rock, like fucking out. You know, even that, like we're so desensitized by it now because we've seen it like a million times. But you know, you show a kid something like that, and it's just like, what is going on? Like the fucking heart scene and everything.

Rob:

Well after Amelia and I watched Raiders, she she said Last Crusade was always her favorite, but she'd only ever seen Raiders in Last Crusade, and so so like I was like, Oh, we gotta watch Temple of Doom. And you know, like she fell asleep the first time we watched Raiders, and she fell asleep when we were watching Last Crusade, just because you know it got late or whatever, but she stayed the fuck awake for Temple of Doom because she was like, like, there were so many times where she just turned me and she was like, Jesus Christ. And I'm like, Yeah, I didn't think about it like that. It's been a minute, like it's fucking dark as fuck.

Papa Tregs:

They're whipping children and stuff. Yeah. Well, you you guys know that that movie and Gremlin single single-handedly created the PG 13 rating.

Rob:

Yep. Yeah, they're like, it's not bad enough to be R, but it's definitely not like Jaws is PG.

Papa Tregs:

Oh my god, the Quinn Death scene is such an R-rated thing, too.

Peter:

I know there's a lot of movies that got away with the PG rating back in the day that shouldn't be PG.

Rob:

That is one that I fucked up on is Jaws because when Jack was like a toddler, we were watching Jaws like in the beginning, and then I dozed off and I woke up to Quint being thrashed around and Jack just sitting there with the uh biggest eyes I've ever seen on a kid, just like oh no, I was like, oh fuck.

Papa Tregs:

Like I think I came up on him, I go, Why are you showing him this?

Peter:

It's like whoops. One time I felt so bad when my niece was really young, who framed Roger Rabbit was on TV, and it was a part at the end where Judge Doom, like, you know, gets the high-pitched voice and his eyes like turn into like the daggers and everything. She lost it, and I felt so bad because I killed your brother. Yeah. And I talked just she lost it. Like the fear in her eyes. I I just still see it to this day, and I felt absolutely terrible. She didn't cry with a little cartoon shoe. No, we it was just like you, you know, we I put it on, it was towards it was at that part in the movie, so I thought, oh, you know, she'll she'll watch this. And then that then he turned into you know the evil character, and she lost it. And I was like, oh man, I felt so bad.

Rob:

All the hits tonight. I know. Who frame Roger Rabbit, Showgirls by me?

Papa Tregs:

Jaws. I was in Jaws, okay. So uh this woman I work with goes, my father-in-law was in Jaws. I'm like, no way, show me a picture. And it's the guy in the yellow raincoat from Jaws 2 with the blonde hair. Uh I'm like, that's Jaws 2. And she goes, Oh, well, still. I'm like, it's all it's still no, it's not still.

Peter:

It would have been funny if if her dad was like the guy that was like, uh what?

Rob:

Yeah, that would have been amazing. Yeah, I don't want to made it first by Tiger Shark.

Liz:

I'm gonna stick your friggin' head in there.

Papa Tregs:

And I'm dating myself here and it's going well, but I had to wait in line at the garden theater in the hot sun for two hours. Back then you bought your ticket and you got in line on the street. That's why the term blockbuster came. It went all the way down to Palmer Square from the garden theater.

Rob:

No QR codes then, son.

Papa Tregs:

No, are you kidding me?

Liz:

No reserve seating then?

Papa Tregs:

No, you sat reused out. I think I said pretty up close, too. Reclining?

Liz:

What the fuck is reclining, motherfucker?

Papa Tregs:

And also, too, the very first movies that have stereo were Star Wars and Close Encounters. Everything else was mono back then.

Rob:

It was all mono back then. We all had mono back then. Remember, folks? Do the kids still get mono? Is that still a thing? No, they don't have no idea what it is. Because I was always jealous of those kids because they'd be like out of school for like weeks. I know. It's like, oh, so-and-so's got mono. I'm like that. And they were making girl.

Papa Tregs:

I know. And I used to say the other kids got his brother's got stereo.

Rob:

And you were the smartest kid in the room, but everyone made you feel like an idiot, I bet. Yeah, I know. Yep, yep. That was my that was my school experience.

Peter:

And now that's my work experience because I say things sometimes, and it's just like right over their head. I know. It's like Tragler, get over here. You made us laugh.

Rob:

Tragler, get over here.

Papa Tregs:

Stop making us laugh. The good old day.

Rob:

Tragler's making a clever joke. I was constantly bullied.

Peter:

Yeah, there were so many assholes in my town.

Papa Tregs:

Oh, dude, I used to walk to Reynolds and Tragler pummeled with snowballs, you know, and like I remember laying in the snow and like, stop, please.

Rob:

Jersey, man. Jersey's rough. Yeah.

Papa Tregs:

Yeah, it's a rough time, place to grow up. Yeah, for sure. I wonder what the bullies were like out here. Hey yo, man. You're nobody likes you. No one, no one likes you, man.

Rob:

Meet me on the playground at three o'clock. You're gonna take the 10 to the 405. Yeah, get off at Lankersham.

Papa Tregs:

I always I find myself always quoting Bubba, though. Like, sometime when I have a rough day at school, I'm like, I'll go off to another teacher and go, I won't go home.

Rob:

And on that note, yeah.

Papa Tregs:

Pete, try to get your wife, get a babysitter, go see Hamnet while you still can. Yeah. Don't watch it with the lights on and chips, and you know. Pause it, I gotta go to the bathroom.

Peter:

Pause it, I gotta go jerk off.

unknown:

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