Ballad of a Small Player & Gardens

 This week Sidey, Dan, and Cris fly solo — Simon's been called to Southampton on urgent business (he was spotted in a pub surrounded by tea cups, so make of that what you will). 

The dads are reviewing Ballad of a Small Player (2024), the new Netflix film from Edward Berger — the director behind All Quiet on the Western Front and Conclave — starring a very much on-form Colin Farrell.

 The Film: Colin Farrell plays Lord Doyle, a dissolute British gambler drowning in debt in the casinos of Macau — and if you thought Vegas was the gambling capital of the world, think again. Doyle owes 352,000 Hong Kong dollars to the house, is blagging his way past the front desk in a crumpled cravat, and somehow still looks magnificent. 

He falls in with a mysterious young woman at the Baccarat tables, and from there the film slides into gorgeous, ambiguous territory — is she real? Is any of this? And does it even matter when the rush of the bet is the only thing that feels true? Themes of addiction, redemption, obsession, and the question of whether you can ever really stop — all wrapped in the stylised, sun-drenched visual language of Macau's casino underworld. 

The lads give it two words each: "All in" (Dan), "Bizarre but funny" (Cris), and "Strong recommend" (Sidey). Consensus: go watch it. 

Top Five: Gardens The boys dig into their favourite cinematic, televisual, musical, and gaming gardens. From the gnome in Amélie and David Lynch's suburban lawn horror in Blue Velvet, to the brutal communal fields of Midsommar, Spirited Away's otherworldly beauty, and the garden in Saltburn that had certain members of the pod seeing quite a lot of a particular actor. Wonka's chocolate garden gets a nod, as does Miss Peregrine's hedge-portal to another time. 

Sidey & Reegs are also going to see Wu-Tang Clan at the O2. Protect ya neck. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:12

Intro and on Danello.

SPEAKER_03 0:14

And Simon has left us high and dry, hasn't he? Yeah. Some sort of work priority unbelievable is not here. Yeah, you went to Southampton as well. Yeah. I know. What's going on in Southampton?

SPEAKER_04 0:25

He's such a worker.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

When you're the at the top of the tree, I don't know. The big boss man. You've got to go to Southampton. You just gotta drop everything and go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

We miss you, Cy. Dearly. We miss you dearly. Although we have seen him on Friday.

SPEAKER_04 0:39

We did. He was in the man cave, a rare night out. Yeah. And in the pub.

SPEAKER_06 0:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:44

He was in the pub. He had loads of Garries with him. He had loads of sniff. Is he off the hook? He was off the hook. He had I don't know how many girls just in tow around him and everything. And he was dancing. Yeah, the entourage. That's what he'd done.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

I think he would want us to caveat that by saying it's not true. He probably would.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

Yeah, it's not true. He had his mates, but he he did, and and he was definitely but he had at least two cups of tea.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Yes. Yeah. I think I probably I know I had half a glass of wine and I went home.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

That sounds like an absolute tear-up. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was madness. Madness. But he has left us, which is why we're just mumbling and bumbling here.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Um Yeah, the just for the usual this is Bad Dad's film review and these are the dads.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Well, the things that are gonna happen is we're gonna talk about film. Yeah. We've got top five about gardens. Yeah. Nice. We do give away plot spoilers, and we do swear.

SPEAKER_04 1:43

We do. And I enjoyed hello.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Yes. Now is the chance to press the objector button if you don't want to hear any of that content. Did you sorry, before I start. Walking football update, we didn't have a game. I know that's why they tune in these days. Sorry about that, but we have got a game on Mother's Day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

Perfectly timed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:07

Did you watch anything, Daniel, apart from the homework?

SPEAKER_04 2:10

I did. Let's circle back while I remember walking football.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

That sounds like that sounds like jargon talk.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Yeah circling back. We are thank you.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Yeah. Did you see that that that struck a nerve on Discord? I imagine it did, yeah. Oh, I've got something else going on on Discord, I'll tell you all about it in a minute. Disco cordio. We had, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure. Sure, I'm sure. I thought that Darren had commented about what but Breachy got in touch to say that last week it was very triggering episodes. Yeah. Because she was sat in the office hearing someone say, Let's align on the logic. And then she put a gif of Adam Sonner saying a sudden kill me, please. And Mel, just following up on your thing about Elvis, says she saw that movie last week and it was fucking excellent. Thanks for that.

SPEAKER_04 2:56

Strong recommend for Mel. I'm looking forward to seeing that. I align with that logic. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

What about you, Christian? What have I watched anything?

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Yeah. Yes, I have watched it took me about two weeks to finish it, but I watched that series on Netflix, His and Hers, with John Berthall. Right. That is her name, right? With him and I can't remember her name. I think she's British. She was in one of the Creeds. She's a black lady, quite a good actress, to be fair.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Is that not Tessa something? Tessa Sanderson. Yeah, no, Thompson, Tessa Thompson. Yes, yeah, that's her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Her and the John Arpal. And it's like a police cop thriller in the woods of Atlanta. Somewhere in Georgia. I I don't know. And it's to be fair, by the last episode, I was just like, just kill me now. Not going after season two. Definitely not. But provided the end. I know who killed all these women, and it's quite interesting. It's seven, six episodes. So for me, yes, six episodes. So for me, that's spot on. It took me two weeks to watch it. And I don't know if I've said this before. I did watch that House of Guinness.

SPEAKER_05 4:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

I'm probably bothered with that. Which is the series as well. Again, I like the costumes and like that kind of period and whatever. It's like Peaky Blinders, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, similar to that. I've not watched Peaky Blinders, but for me, as you are well aware, it attracts me the limited series. Yeah. Yeah. If it's that one and done. But the thing is with the House of Guinness, it's definitely geared up for the second season. Whereas with this one.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

But it's even worse on Netflix because what they will do is they will do that. They will plan for second series or the third series or fourth series. But if numbers drop off, they just kill it. So there's some so even if you watch them all, it might not even end properly. That's really fucking annoying. They just don't they won't put any more money into it. They're just fucking ruthless about it.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

And I think that's it. I don't think I watched anything else.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

I do remember some low-hanging fruit that I'm circled back to me. I watched Young Sherlock, which is Guy Richiewell.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

I've seen that advertised, yeah. So did you like it? The first episode of the book.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

I quite liked it, I must say. Yeah. We weren't straight into the next episode afterwards, like one was enough, but I will watch another one. It's I think it's Hero Tiffin Finds, which I believe is Ralph Finds. That's his name. Yeah. Hero Tiffin Finds. And I'm not a hundred percent sure it is anything to do with Ralph Finds, but I think somebody it might have been Irons as well. And I've just got the feeling that it might be Jeremy Irons. Just a whole network thing. And yeah. And I watched the first episode, and actually me and the missus watched it, and we both enjoyed it. I think she did, but she was sat behind me and she sometimes closes her eyes and just nods along, but like a Sherlock. And this was another take on it. He teams up with Moriarty at school and they're kind of pals for a bit, which is an interesting dynamic on it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

Cool. I don't think I watched anything other than my usual sort of collection of YouTube stuff, yeah. No extra movies, I don't think. And then all weekend I got I I got a I built myself my own AI chatbot. Do it, I mean to do what? Whatever I want it to do. Turn up to work for you. No, but I could in theory get it to do some of my work, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:23

Can you build me one?

SPEAKER_03 6:25

Probably. Yeah. It's got nothing to do with entertainment or movies, so let's move on. We're gonna talk about top five gardens. Are you ready? I'd hope so. I can't guarantee, but are you a keen are you a keen gardener, Christian?

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Do you know what? I have discovered that I like gardening. I have to be in the mood and I have to be that I like it. I wouldn't go and be in the w I don't have a garden, we have a balcony which is fairly big and it's got plants, and you know, I like to I like every year to have cherry tomatoes, raspberries, yeah. Stuff that is fairly easy to grow, you just put them there, I only like to grow stuff if I'm gonna get something back in return. Yeah, we've got uh an olive tree which is not gonna make any olives, and a few other kind of just like decorative bushes kind of things. And this year I'm gonna have some British invasive ivy.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Dan, do you like a decorative bush? I do a decorative bush. You've got quite a mature garden out there.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

That's yeah, yeah. Having worked in gardens and on farms for a good few years, I must admit I it it although it taught me some things and I learned some stuff, I've tended not to then get involved quite as much because I feel like I've done my bit. I do enjoy I like growing plants to eat. Yeah. I like edible gardens as much as any others, to be honest. But a little bit of colour around the the spring and summer, some for the bees. Yeah, like all that.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

As the same, we got some lavender, some You know what lavender's good for? No.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Keeps mozzies away.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

Is it? Yeah. Okay. We've got a couple of these ones and there's some what is it? Oregano and all these other kind of herbs.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Herbs. I always find I with herbs, I always find I don't have enough time. Yeah?

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Yeah, there we go. That is the one.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

So we're talking about films now with garden.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

I've got films, TVs, songs, and video games. Right. You've got the beat. Go for it. Wow. Okay. Can I have garden gnomes? Really technically elaborate.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Yeah, they're they grow in garden. They well grow, they don't really grow. They reside in.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

In the movie Amelie, there's a gnome and it goes on a world tour and it gets polaroided all all around the world, which I like. God, we've got quite a few. I wouldn't say gnomes, but we've got other garden ornaments. Got hedgehog, dog. We did have a snail, but that's disintegrated. We've got a deer with glasses on. Okay. Uh yeah, we've got a few. I've got a wire sort of chicken, but I don't actually have a gnome. I feel like they're too ubiquitous.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Do you have a Buddha? No. They're quite common as well, no?

SPEAKER_03 9:19

Yeah, we've got like as when you go to ransoms, there's various different ones. You can get like Darth Vader and stuff like that, but I like them to be more animal-based. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

Yeah, if it's a garden, yeah. Years ago, and it's been done to death now, but I'd the first time I'd heard it was back in the late 90s. I was in Cambodia and this guy was travelling with a gnome that he'd stolen from a garden. Um he was sending pictures back, and it it even it put him in all kinds of situations because back in those days you could get guns in Cambodia and go to shooting ranges. So he had him there, he had him in various nightclubs in Thailand and things, this gnome. And he was sending pictures back to this random person he'd never met. He'd painted him a little bit to give him a tan and everything, and he showed me the gnome that he was gonna go put back in the garden when he got back one one day in a few months' time. Tickled me. Yeah. Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

That was I've got uh we I think we did it for the pod, the Miss Peregrine's special Oh yes, yeah, home for the special needs. For the special needs. That uh had a a garden. Yeah. And you went through a hedge to get into the house.

SPEAKER_03 10:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

And the outside was the war, and inside was the same day repeating or something like that. I'm pretty sure that's how the day was going. And uh the garden was really nice and had all sorts of special children. Can I have that?

SPEAKER_03 10:42

You can. You just reminded me of a Simpsons one going through the hedge is the moment where Homer backs away. Yes, yeah, that's the mean like T 1000. And you can even get like a Christmas ornament to go on the tree of him. Just halfway. So there is literally a Simpsons for everything. I've got blue velvet. We did that for the blue velvet.

SPEAKER_05 11:03

Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_03 11:04

It starts off with a garden scene. It's like David Lynch right there, the white picket fence, and then what goes on behind the somewhere Carmaglock and finds the severed ear in the garden there. And then it ends, I think, with the guy. Does he have a heart attack? And he falls onto the garden floor, and then the camera goes further, like further down through the grass, and it's all like millions of beetles scurrying around, and it's all like really creepy and horrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:29

He did another one, David Lynch, the lawnmower one. Straight story. Yeah. Um, which obviously featured gardens as well. Talked about edible gardens. You don't get much more edible than Willie Wonker's chocolate factory garden, where he's got This is the Gene Wilder version, yeah. Yeah. He's got a chocolate river, he's got candy, flowers, and boiled dildos. Dillies. Boat sweets and things, and Yeah, we it was fantastic. We all you could eat everything, couldn't you? You could eat the big mushrooms there and the leaves and Gene Wilder was just fantastic. You think who's done that that role now? You've had and Timothy Chalamet.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

I didn't like that one.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

No, I didn't like any of them apart from the He upset people at the weekend, did you see that?

SPEAKER_03 12:16

He did. He said ballet and opera is shite and no one cares about it, and everyone who cares about ballet and opera were up and arms.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

But full respect for those people that do like it, no disrespect. You try to roll back a little bit. Yeah, so fuck what I said. It's already around the world and he's taking shots that he doesn't need to take. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Yeah. To be fair, I don't want to defend him, but that's his opinion. He's entitled to it. No, I don't think he is. Yeah, but why is he not allowed to say stuff and just Yeah, that's his opinion. He can be wrong.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

I think I think he is wrong, but it's yeah, again, he's that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

Yeah. I uh like the garden in a film that we watched and we all loved, especially for the penis content, was Saltburn. I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_04 13:02

Did you not? No, I was away that week.

unknown 13:04

Oh, you should watch it.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Oh yeah, you need to watch that. That's good. Right. I like dick. You see a lot of dick. Okay. A lot of dick. And it's quite substantial. But also the gardens are very nice. Very nice property. And you can see there's quite a few scenes in the gardens on in different areas of the garden as well, because it's a big property. There's the young lady watch that she fingers herself and he goes down on her while she was on her period. Yeah. And there is also the scene when they're sunbathing of the pool. Kids. And he's trying to and she tells him that he had another toy friend and toy friend. Yeah, because like a boyfriend guy, what's his name? The sexiest man alive. Jacob Ed Laudy. Yes. He brought this guy as a as each summer he brings a friend over to stay over, and when if someone touches his sister, that's it, it's game over. And anyway.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Lot of rumours about him and Margot.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

They're in that movie together, no? And they are both.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

And she's a married woman.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

Oh, is he? Okay, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 14:14

Yeah. Anyway, look, I'm not here to spread rumours. What about did were you around in the pod when we did Midsummer? I was. It's kind of I'm still haunted by it.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

Is that the Danish thing? Is that the thing? Scandalous. It's Sweden.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

It's a place, it's a rural Swedish area. There's one bit where they're taking acid and she's looking at her hand and it's like moving in and out of the floor.

SPEAKER_04 14:33

Lulling is into a false sense of security.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

So then there's all sh she's the Midsummer Queen, she gets all the floral wreaths and all the flowery dresses on, all that and it all takes place. It's more rural than it is like specifically someone's garden. But it is out in a rural area and like absolutely horrendously brutal violence.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Right. Was that some like a terrorist attack where someone just machine guns everyone? Is that the one?

SPEAKER_03 14:56

No, no, this is a this is like a big Swedish commune where they euthanise, they voluntary voluntarily euthanise all the old people, so you get to a certain age, and it's a privilege that they don't see it as a some sort of barbaric act. They're like, Sam, we've had a great life, boom, we've got to, I don't know, say 75. So the there it's her and th her boyfriend and two other people, two or three other people, and they don't fully know, but they don't know at all what's going to happen. No. And the first time you get there's all sorts of tapestries of stuff, but it's like crudely sewn, and you're like, and there's a bear, and you're like, and the first one that they see is there there's this big dinner out in the garden, or everyone's sitting at what big long tables, and then these the two it looks like the matriarch and the patriarch of the group get up and they go up a hill and they go up to basically like a cliff, and they still don't really know what's gonna happen, and they just jump off. And right, and it's and it's so graphic, it's so graphic, and she the lady dies, I think, but the the old man's still like groaning, and they just get this enormous mallet just fucking crushes head, but it's explicitly shown on the screen, and Florence Pierre's just like fucking freaking like what the fuck are we doing? She's there, she's come along in this chip because her parents have just died, so it's enough trauma going on, yeah. But it's all set in this like really idyllic sort of garden setting where it's fucking terrifying. It's not terrifying, it's just it just stays with you because it's so fucking grim. Yeah, it's madness.

SPEAKER_04 16:25

Yeah, I've got a cartoon film, Spirited Away, and you can be pretty much blown away by this film. It's Oscar winner. Have you ever seen this, Chris? No, I don't think so. Oh, it's fantastic. Studio Jubilee did a collection of really amazingly animated films that seem to just connect with kids, adults, everyone, and they tell these kind of fantasy stories about the animation is so beautifully done and very uh easy to spot. It's Studio Ghibli after you've seen one.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Some of the characters have a similar look, but in the age of computer and digital animation, this is all still, as far as I know, hand-drawn. But the main guy, Miyazaki, is it his name?

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Yeah, uh Haro Miyazaki. Um and when I was in Japan, which is nearly a year ago now, just thinking back to that earlier, that's gone quick. You can see all these characters are well represented within the culture. Still, there's shops and cartoons and printouts and posters and stuff of them all around still. But the this particular one, Spirited Away, I think it was the first one that I'd seen of Ghibli, and it's got the most amazing kind of pictures of flowers. I'm showing Chris a photo here of one scene, and it's magical. You just can't believe the detail and time and effort they've gone into every single scene when they're drawing flowers, like every petal is purposely made, drawn. It's a wonderful story, brilliant animation, and that's got loads of flowers to choose from. Yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

Is that is that just one thing? Is that spirit that you said?

SPEAKER_03 18:16

That spirited away, okay. I've got a little badge of the ghost, you know, the white and black demon ghost thing. I've got a bad I've got that in Thailand when I was there. It's on one of my shirts at work.

SPEAKER_04 18:27

But they've got no, they've got my neighbour Tototo. My neighbor Totoro, How's Moving Castle is another one.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

Uh they'll always tend to have quite an environmental message in them as well. Princess Mononoke is really all that about the forest and the forest stores. Kiki's delivery service.

SPEAKER_04 18:44

Yeah, there's a ton of them.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

And is this like uh an hour and a half or two hours, or are they?

SPEAKER_04 18:48

They could be about two hours, yeah. Alright, okay. Yeah. The red turtle is a fantastic one. I don't even think there's any words in that.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

I'm pretty sure I've seen that actually. Is that the kid with a turtle? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:58

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen that.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

I think. Uh we did two turtle weeks, we didn't we? Yeah. Let's move on because it's taking notice. Chris?

SPEAKER_02 19:07

I've got a band called Savage Garden. Yes, you have. And they'll take me to the moon and back. Yeah. And I've got my nom.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

Okay. What about the home of the New York Knickerbockers?

SPEAKER_02 19:18

The Madison Square Garden. Yes. It's a square garden. The garden.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

I watched Michael Jordan play for the Washington Wizards in his final year of playing in the NBA. Wow. He wore a pair of grey Jordan 11s, they were fucking cool. And he was still the best player on the court. Yeah. Which he basically slated everyone else saying, why is the guy who's 40 something still the hungriest guy on a court of the So that was quite interesting.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Was there anyone good at the Knicks then?

SPEAKER_03 19:46

I think um I think Carmel Anthony or someone. Yeah, Carmel Carmel. Yeah, Marshmallow was there. Yeah. Couple of songs for you, a couple of Beatles songs. Okay. Can you guess? Ringo. Octopus Garden.

SPEAKER_05 20:00

I'd like to be under the sea. And also Lucy Garden.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. Tangerine Trees and Marmalade Skies. Marmalade Skies, yeah. And then Janie Mitchell. Big Yellow Taxi. They paved paradise. How fucking dare they! And then Van Morrison, I'm not a fan, in the garden song by John Denver. Other stuff of that nature. And Scarborough Fair by Simon and Garf Uncle. Past this age, Rosemary, and Time. Yeah. A great sound guard, doesn't it? And then I'll just put my nom in off that. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:32

Okay. I will add in one more, and it may as well be my nom. No, I'll add in one more and then I will then nom. Kill Bill. Yeah. Volume one. The blood sprouter on there. And she finally overcomes her. There's a couple of garden scenes in this. There's one where she's going in volume two. Yeah, she's going up to the old kind of Chinese guy in his Zen garden.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

Was that two? Two, yeah. Whereas she's fighting Lucy Lu at the end.

SPEAKER_04 21:02

No, that's one. I'll just say kill Brennish is, I think, is in that Japanese thing garden in this like. That's one, yeah. Oh, sorry. Sorry. That's okay, Chris. There's lots of there's lots of good things in it. The Shining would be another one as well, where we've got the maze. There's a few great mazes in films, actually. Yeah. You're thinking Goblet of Fire, Harry Potter. Amazing. But my nom will be because I do like an edible garden, it's gonna go back to Willie Wonka.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Nice. Right, okay. Christian? I have got a a real garden in which you can also visit, and I highly recommend it, and I've been twice, and it's the Garden of Versailles.

unknown 21:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

At the Palace of Versailles. Right, yeah. And you can cycle through the gardens, you hire a bike, and because if you walk, it takes you two days because it's that vast.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

Which part of Barcelona?

SPEAKER_04 21:58

Have we got a Hornet in the house? It's a big fucker. We may not make it out of this pod.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Who is the point guard for Charlotte Hornet? It was small, a six-foot guy. No. Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Anyway, The Garden of Versailles, it has been the backdrop for iconic films for over 200 films.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

I was gonna say a lot of period stuff.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Since 1896. The best and the most Marie Antoinette by Sofia Coppola in 2006. Little Chaos, directed by Alan Rickman. Ah, Rickman. Dangerous Liaisons, Midnight in Paris, and Jefferson in Paris. And The Royal Exchange. Anyway, that and also I would if anyone wants to visit, I don't have any skin in the game. But honestly, if you ever decide to visit the palace and the gardens, the palace is amazing. It's really nice and loads of history and all that, but the gardens are really and that's my nom. Do you like topiary?

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Remind me what it is? Shaping bushes into shapes. Okay. Yeah, because I was thinking of this is my nom, but I was thinking of Edward's scissor hands. He does that. Of course, with his scissory hands. But my nom is going to be the godfather. Have you seen that? Came out in 1976. Oh, okay. We're talking about in the final fucking, he's all powerful, but he snuffs it with his grandchildren. And his tomato plants. I thought it was tomatoes. He's got that old school spot spray. And he just collapses.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

What a way to go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

But he's with his family and you know.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

Not gunned down in the street. He was gunned down earlier, but he survived that earlier.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Yeah, but he survived all that. To die at home. That's how people want to go, I think. So there you go. Great colours.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

Great choices. It's actually quite a rich flower-based. Fertile ground. Fertile ground. There we go. That's the link we're after. So I'm sure people could give us a few.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Yeah, give us a few ideas. There's going to be a lot that we missed, or a lot that we've not one or two, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

Yeah. We need two more nons, and then we're going to talk. We are now going to talk about it's completely not really that gardeny, but ballad of a small player. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

We are going to talk about the ballad of a small player.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Okay. This is directed by Edward?

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Yeah. Any relation to Patrick? Yeah, this is Dad. Or quite on the Western Front and Conclave.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

So some pretty like punchy stuff.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

Yeah, and and quite sorry, topical and strong rather than I think Conclave was lucky because it came out around the time that the Pope snuffed it, like pure coincidence, I think. Yeah. Unless he hadn't killed in a publicity study, which is like pretty that's pretty hard.

SPEAKER_04 25:04

Was that based on the Robert Harris book?

SPEAKER_03 25:07

Don't know. Hang on. Robert Harris Science of the Lambs. Or am I thinking a different Thomas Harris's Thomas Harris was the science of the lambs? Anyway, that's got nothing to do with Ballad of Small Player.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

No, this is based on a novel though. Yeah. By Lawrence Osborne. Yeah. Okay. Do you know him? Well.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

It's just doing our stupid play on words thing. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

All I knew about this going into it that it was that it had Colin Farrell in it. I d that was the only thing I knew about it.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

We're on a like a rich run of form in movies that we've reviewed with him in have been strong.

SPEAKER_04 25:42

Yeah, he does have um a good habit of choosing lots of good films we watched recently. Yeah, we had a 'cause we watched the Total Recall we made, which is fucking gross.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

And then everything else after that seems to have been like he seems to have given himself a good shake.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

But it's also it's similar to what you were saying earlier, the what the about the film that we did the midweek, where it almost seems to me that because he's done all those films and blah blah blah blah blah the Banshee Zoe and Sharon was it was a small budget. It was he he basically decided to do that. The what is the one with the lobster one, the one with the goat, the the horror one that we re something to do with the goat, I can't remember the deer or something, the sacred skilling of the deer.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Yeah, they had the really weird language the way they talked they just talked all like that the whole way through. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Look, uh it almost feels like he's got to that stage where now he just says yes to Yeah, yeah, he's he's paid his dues, and now it gets. I've made money, I've done this, I've done that. Now I just wanted And he still does a rom-com or a in-between, but he's also anyway, we'll get into this one.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

Can you remember the first word of this film?

SPEAKER_02 26:54

No. Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Yeah. I was about to go the camera gets right close up to his face and his his size goes fuck. And then he's he's well dressed, he's looking okay. It's quite sweaty though. Yeah, he's a little bit sweaty, he's not under press and he said fuck, so he's something he's under pressure a little bit, and the camera sort of stays on him as he goes he's cleaning the hotel room, but we don't see immediately the state of it. It's a couple of hints, he just goes to a safe and you can see there's a champagne bottle on the floor. There's phew. And he and then the camera moves and he but it doesn't show that immediately. Then he opens the door to the safe and it's a bollocks, there's nothing in the safe. And then we see the extent of his hotel. Well, it's a suite, it's not room, is it's a fucking big suite. Yeah. It's like you know, the hangover, there's just bottles of food everywhere, like the face fucking trashed. There's about eight uh room service trolleys, it's yeah, it's just carnivores. And he then is searching through different things and he goes to a great big kind of vase on the surveys. Yeah, so it'll be something else because they're in Macau, aren't they? But under the TV, and he's got a big fat roll of cash under there. And then yeah, I think it it reveals then that he's in Macau. The people think Vegas is the gambling capital. It is fucking not by a long shot. And this is like the gambling mecha, number one in the world, and he's there gambling away. He is Lord Doyle. Lord Doyle. But I think I don't know how you felt watching it. I was like, this is obviously a grift, like not a fucking Lord, not by a long shot. Because he's also got this English accent, and I'd I'm sure he wouldn't play someone with a fucking dopey English accent like that.

SPEAKER_04 28:37

I'm the way that it pans out in it a little bit is what we'll get to. I'm glad the way it does because yeah, you he's in these outrageous kind of velvet suits and cravats. Yeah, love a cravat. Um yeah, and he's looking great, uh his hair's slipped back, he's got this little It does start to deteriorate quite a bit. It does, it does give it half an hour, but he's he's blagging it, he's playing the game, he's and as he goes downstairs and avoiding the hotel staff as best he can to you realise he owes money all over the shop, this guy.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

He goes downstairs and he sees the valet guy and he's He tries to look the other way as he walks past the front desk, isn't he? Yeah, checking his watch and everything. Lord Doyle.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

But they're already on to him. The car, the limo that would leave that hotel, um has left, and they've got to call him a taxi. He decides, no, I'm about to I'll walk, but just as he's pissing down, isn't it? Yeah, it looks a lovely evening. I think I'll walk it. The weather starts. He gets called back in and says, Look, you owe 352,000 Hong Kong dollars, which is around about 350,000 pounds, I think. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

He says, Oh, I'll have my I'll have my private banker wire the funds immediately. But it's this is a weekend and it's a bank holiday back home or Monday. You'll have the money by Tuesday. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:00

And they say, right, Tuesday afternoon, or we're calling the police.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

And the guy is he goes to the valley, and the guy's like, Look, go to the Crystal Sunshine Casino or something, you might get credit there. Yeah. And that's where he goes.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Yeah, he and heading into there, he's playing at a few tables and he's got his what of money.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

But they just very meet the killer, isn't it? The old lady. His game of choice is Bacarak. Yeah. Which I still don't know how to play.

SPEAKER_04 30:29

Well, you've got Yeah, I thought I knew until the last hand of the film, and then I was like, But it was high cards. Yeah. So he said, Baccarat, very simple game to play. You've picture cards, tens are worth nothing, and the highest score you can get is nine. Although clearly two sevens would be fourteen. Do you bust if you go over to I just couldn't work? No, so I don't know that bit, but this lady, grandma, keeps on pulling over they say they call her the killer or something.

SPEAKER_03 31:00

Yeah, she she's He's here gambling with her like multi-billionaire husband's money while he's out shagging.

SPEAKER_04 31:06

Yeah. And that's the arrangement they've got it works for everyone. And he's nine, she keeps on pulling out nine. And you're betting against the other table, I think it's the the highest bid against the city. Did you watch it with subtitles?

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

I mmm can't remember. I don't think I did.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

What you the effect I didn't know would have done. I didn't know if they put subtitles on for what she was saying, because she's talking to Yeah, I did watch it with subtitles. Down. Yes and she's being like really. He's an arsehole. This guy's gonna crush my balls, all this sort of stuff. I didn't know if they put that translation on because then she she's not getting the she's not giving him the proper translation.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

No, because yeah, he's oh what's she saying? He's high, you're in for a ride.

SPEAKER_04 31:48

You're in for a tough game here, and really she's saying this guy's a fucking loser, he's gonna run out on your hornet's back.

SPEAKER_05 31:57

Just a wasp. Okay. Has it got yellow legs? We can't see from here. I think so. It does next to yellow. Yellow legs is a hornet. It does Asian Hornet.

SPEAKER_04 32:06

It does next to that yellow light. Yeah, it's I'm getting blinded here.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Um so he yeah, he's Dao Ming, she's becomes an important character. Yeah. He's been told that she might be able to offer him credit. So she does, and the terms are like fucking astronomical, it's like 16% plus commission on top of that. And he likes to be all blase about that. Okay, great.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

50 at 10. And you've got to sell your drinks bill first. Yes. Okay, I'm just get me another bottle and I'm just gonna be back go to the toilet. Because he doesn't have the$300 for the cristal champagne, which he asked for in perfect Chinese or at least decent Chinese, says, Don't give me the cheap champagne, give me the good stuff. And yeah, he's he's just a gambler, isn't he? He's an absolute addiction to gambler.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

Degenerate gambler, yeah. So he loses that, but what that roll of cash that he had, that's gone now.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

And he wakes up in the morning in the same hotel suite, uh in the same mess. In the same state, yeah. But without that water money and a vase to fall back onto.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Yeah. This is where he goes outside, doesn't he? And there's the jumper.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

Yeah, he's having a pullover. He's having a meal, and you just see it go past the window, and he looks, but he does and then he hears a thud and a scream, and he runs downstairs and he sees Dao Ming, the lady who had offered him credit the day before from the rainbow, and runs after her and chases after her. He starts running. One lady has tried to start a fight with Dal Ming and said, Why did you lend him any money? Because obviously she had, he lost, and saw his only way out was to kill himself.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Which means that Daming is going to be in trouble because she's lending the money and there's no money coming back.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

He works that out when he goes back to her place and asks her, Oh, let us a bit of money, and she's saying, No, look, but you're just a degenerate gamble, and he says, Look, I may be, but I ain't no different to you because if you were any good, you would be earning commission on when people lost money. You wouldn't be up to your neck in it either. You're taking risks here on side bets and hustles, and like me, you're pretty fucked up as well.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

And so they have this kind of kindred spirit relationship where they both realise, yeah, we're we're both in the It's also mental the difference between and I've seen that before with people that work in these high-end places, but they live in basically just a room. Because it's she basically works, she lends people money, she gives them line of credit for 300,000 Hong Kong dollars, but she lives in a studio flat with a houseboat, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 34:56

Yeah, or a who knows. It certainly wasn't the luxury that Lord Doyle was was used to in his wonderful suite.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

We're gonna learn a bit more about him because it gets into a lift, doesn't he? Yeah. And Cynthia is there, Tilda Swinton's character.

SPEAKER_04 35:12

She's already clocked him once before. Does she call herself Betty? Yeah, she does. She's already clocked him once before as he's walked out of the hotel, and she's followed him a little bit, but this time she gets a selfie of herself in the lift, and he's clearly in behind. He knows what's going on. And he follows her into the ladies and demands that she deletes the photo of him. Yeah. And at that point, we start to see a layer of the colour. But the accent goes, doesn't it? Yeah, now he's Irish again. And he's saying Mr.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Riley, she calls him.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

And yeah, she's obviously And he's denying that he's Mr. Riley, right? At this point. Yeah. She's accusing him. She's working for a lady that has had a load of money stolen from her, which he tries to deny at first, but we're gonna learn that it's actually true, yeah. And it's not the only person. And I think with this lady was sorry, 900,000 was she said. 953,000. Yeah, it's a a big chunk of cash. So he's he owes he's stolen millions and just gambled the whole lot away. He was a I think he was the private banker for these people.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

We find out that he was also in the Philippines where he faked his own death, and but the trail had gone cold, but she'd been able to pick it up again, as we find out a little bit later, the reasons why. And he's got charm though. He's got good looks, he's got charm, and he insists. Yeah, he's insisting to everyone, look, my luck can't be that bad for this long. It will change.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

It's just the guy, the ballet, the guy that he met when he was trying to get the limo, and he says, I just need one big win. Yeah. I don't know if that's gonna pay off. I think he goes to meet his mate who who is the prince. We'll have a di we'll have a dinner and a dance. He keeps saying that to it, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_04 37:03

Yeah, we'll have a dinner, a dance, and maybe we can s come to some kind of agreement. He loses it, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_03 37:08

He goes, he's he's just his like appearance is starting to get more disheveled. He's now he's like looking a little bit like more unshaven, he's sweating all the time. It's has heart palpitations. It's like he's in deep into all this. Yeah, so he gets pissed and he goes to see his mate that they've you get the impression they've done scams together before and this guy owes him about eight grand. He's pretending to be someone have you hosting a party, isn't he?

SPEAKER_04 37:31

Yeah, and he's saying, Look, I need it now, and he gives him two. Screaming at him doesn't he's like properly lost it. I give he gives him two. This is great, because he gives him two out of his wallet and he goes, I haven't got it. Come on, let's go and have dinner and a dance. And I fucking that's my line. My fucking line. But they do go down and have dinner, and he goes, Oh, come on, Riley, and he goes, Well you just call me Riley. Why'd you call me Riley? And he goes, You fucking give me away, didn't you? And he goes, Yeah, I did. Um, he doesn't deny it too long. He goes, I've got my own problems and I did it for amnesty because they'll be after me next, so yeah, I threw you under the bus. And they talk a little bit about the shame and the death of shame, and how he's got to get to that position where he's doesn't even give a shit anymore. Shame has died, and then he gets up to walk out and he goes, You better pick up the bill for this, and it's all the money that he's just lent him, which just goes to show what an expensive place a Macau can be if you're in two thousand pounds.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

He has had this interaction with Cynthia and he's robbed, he said to her, for that photo, you've got to give me 500 bucks. And it at one point he he runs off with her purse, doesn't he? Yeah, and he he takes her phone and he and she eventually gives him the 500. And at this point he does have a bit of success. He turns that 500 to 50 grand, yeah. Um she says, take that and give that to your woman. She says, Yeah, fuck that's not like it's gonna be enough. Scratch it.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

He goes, There's ten thousand for you though, just disappear a go. And she's not having any of it. Yeah, she's in there to do a job. This old lady's been on his trail for a long time as well. And we start to hear a little bit more about the Filipino death certificate and how she managed to track him down a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

But he's just Just a bit about the way it's filmed, all these casinos, like it looks stunning. It is shots down the corridor. I was getting a bit like shining vibe of those shots down hotel corridors and stuff. Looks amazing. A lot of overhead stuff where it's looking down on the floor while people are walking around, look looking into the sky straight scrapers and everything.

SPEAKER_04 39:35

Very stylised. Yeah, really good. And his suits and his his whole kind of get up is brilliant, but he is looking more and more pasty as this goes on.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

He completely loses it, isn't he? He has solo dinner. Yeah. He's racked up another big tab and he asks for more drink, and then he says, You've got to pay for what you've had first before you can have anymore. And he says, Just go and get that one and I'll sort it out. But he collapses here, he has a full-on heart attack. And then from this point in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

Dow Dow Ming is coming at this point. She picks him up. Yeah, she picks him up and he's Oh and she takes him to a houseboat.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

First of all, she he's been in hospital. She says you slept in hospital for two days. And then we says that and then we're on this houseboat, and you're a bit like he's got a number.

SPEAKER_04 40:19

Different gaff though, isn't she?

SPEAKER_06 40:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:21

He's had a number since they met one night and went back to the beach of Hong Kong or Macau, and it's looking onto Macau, and it just looks a real kind of muddy. Yeah, because then the tide comes in in the morning when he wakes up. And he's got this kind of these digits almost tattooed on his hand, but it looks like it's written in a pen. But he we see him have a shower and go swimming and everything. This number's still on there.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

And in this houseboat on on a river or just in the sea, there's a kind of shed off it with a padlock, and it's a combination padlock and But this is he comes to the conclusion of that through a series of hallucinations. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

But she disappears. Yeah. We don't know because they really they have this night, they really she says, Tell me one thing about yourself that's true. And he says about his gambling and all this sort of shit, and the shame he has from ripping off all these people. And she says her truth. And they have the bottom of the room. Her family and stuff, no, her and then she's fucking gone.

SPEAKER_04 41:26

And and then she's and they talk a little bit about the Buddhist hell where people have very thin necks and wide mouths, and they just can't get enough, right? The greed that it's just greed, it's like a a a Buddhist kind of hell, and that's where she says, It's too late, it's not too late for you, she says. But it's me. And she's just lent money to too many people who have now killed themselves and and too many bad stories involved with her, whereas he is very selfish and he has hurt a lot of people, and he's uh but maybe not to the levels where she has. But he's starting to reflect on this because he actually gets a shit ton of money from this combination lock, and there's two I thought he was gonna drag her up from the two, yeah. But it's two bags filled with money. That's me. Absolutely tons of it, and he's he doesn't want anything to do with it he's not gonna it for a bit. That lasts about yeah, that last that lasts about five minutes, and then suddenly he's back on the boat, he's going, he looks like shit, he's dressed not like Lord Doyle, he's got those clothes on, but it's in a bad way, they're dishevelled, he's he's not shaved, he looks pasty as hell, and he's going back into Macau with all this money. He's got a plan, hasn't he? He's gonna go the back around tables is the plan.

SPEAKER_03 42:49

He says to Cynthia, I'm gonna win the most amount of money in a game of back around that's ever won in the history of the world. And she's she's no, you need to go to the police. She's just I found you, you're coming in, blah blah blah. He's I can make it right, I can do it all. He said, I've only got about two-thirds of what I owe you. It's one one more grift, but it's his mate. He's arranged this game with the the prince of blah blah blah blah blah, and it's his mate, like strides in and they sit opposite ends of this table. Yeah. They play a game of just a single hand, everything's all in on this game in Baccharat. And this was like, I've never seen this uh in Baccharat before.

SPEAKER_04 43:26

This is what confused me with the game because he's two cards each, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

He gets something, and then his mate gets two.

SPEAKER_04 43:34

A nine and a two, didn't he? And so it goes one over. I was like, I don't know what the fuck's. No, I'm out. I don't know. Um but yeah, his mate.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

He's had this thing with his gloves, hasn't he? He's got these yellow gloves, and he really like takes a long time to check the card, and really I was like, You're fucking but ruining every single card. Yeah, yeah. Because he bends it right back, and they really draw this out this is the suspense of what his his On his card. They don't actually show you. He you see him look at it, and he's trying not to give anything away, and it doesn't give it away. And if they like then turns the card over, boom, he's won the fucking lot wallet.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

He's he's come up trumped. You can't believe it. He's his mate is gutted because I think it must be his last money as well. And he goes back. Where was his money from? The other guy.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

I don't know. I think the argument would have been, I think the insinuation was that it was he was backed by someone else. That and that was the same thing that he was owing money to so many people that he's I'm gonna give you him. And then once he got him, he said, Oh, this guy's coming in with money, I'll win the money for you. Just back me, I'll win the money. But then that's where now they try to take him to the grandma. Yeah. And then it goes a pair. But that's the thing, because in Macau and in that kind of culture, they show that he's got a dead person with him.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

They said that when that he's with a ghost. Sorry, he's got a ghost. But the first time they won the fifty grand, they call him in and they said, There's a ghost behind you. And I'm watching again. So that he literally has a ghost behind him and it's her, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

Because then he finds out that she's been dead for ages. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:15

Yeah, and they have the he's got a couple of shit. She's surrounded herself. In his in his room where he's looking in the reflection of a bucket he's being sick in. He gorges himself.

SPEAKER_03 45:27

And one of the things I couldn't work out what the fuck it was he was eating.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

There's a big lobster bit, and then there's something like that.

SPEAKER_04 45:35

It's that till he pukes. It's the greed, is this kind of look onto no matter how much he's eating, he can't be full, no matter how she's drinking, he he can't actually be satisfied. They talk a little bit at one point, him and his mate, about oh, do you hear the one where the gambler dies and he goes to he dies and he's finds himself at a table and he's got loads of lovely girls around him and he can't stop losing. He just can't stop winning. He just wins and wins and wins. And he turns to one guy and he goes, Oh, I thought I might be going to the other place. You can't believe this. And he goes, This is hell. Because you never lose you just always win and always win. But there's no satisfaction in it then. His mate has said to him earlier, the winning will kill you quicker than you're losing. And and so we see him have the opportunity to have a 500 to one shot in his favour. Because he's given he's paid everything back via Cynthia that he's got two suitcases. He knows his Dalmins, he goes, This is her money, I'm a lord, he's he's mentioned before, and I will pay back my debt. And so he does, he tries that, but then she says, Oh, she's dead, and just for a moment there's a flicker across his eyes where he thinks, Well, I might as well just gamble it all then. And you're thinking, Don't do it, don't do it.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

I thought he was gonna do it and win. I thought they'd give another win.

SPEAKER_04 47:01

I I was just thinking It's gonna be the end of you if you do it, and I think he feels that as well, and I think that's what the film's saying as well, because he doesn't, and he goes to the the festival of the ghosts, yeah, which they mentioned before, and burns all the money.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

He goes full KLF, yeah, yeah, he burns a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04 47:20

He burns fucking money for her, for Dalmin. He says, This is your money. And he drops the gloves. And he does that. Because that's his gamble. I'm never I'm never gambling again.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

So it was his big it was a big pretense because he would say the Savaro a bit of China.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

And he was getting rid of that, exercising that persona in a little bit, I think.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:39

And so he's he burns all the money, and I think that's pretty much the last scene, isn't it? I don't think there's anything else. Yeah. And so he is a gambler who has found redemption and a second chance. Weird film. I liked it. I liked it though. I like the look of it. I liked it. I liked it, but I like the styling, the stylistic side of it, the style in it. I like the themes of gambling and just going for it and these compulsive gamblers that just and also the philosophy behind it, right?

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Where you can't stop and you can't be satisfied, you can't win, but you win, but you you're still not happy, you're still chasing that, you're still w what is important there's no happiness.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

The rush is the bet. Yeah. Not the win or lose, it's it really doesn't matter. This the rush is actually the chance that there's something unknown of what's gonna happen to it. That's the rush. It's weird because as a main character protagonist, like he's a fucking criminal, right? Yeah, he's robbed fucking loads of people, pension funds, the rest of all of that, gone. And his She was a bitter twisted old woman, he's and his problem is gambling, and the redemption arc of him is through gambling and pulling another con with this guy, and you're like, I don't know, it's weird. But always watching Colin Fowell. The film looks great, stylistically, it's so nice, so it's so nice to look at. It is I don't know, it felt a little bit hollow in terms of the morality tale, I suppose.

SPEAKER_04 49:06

But I did it because it it was different. Normally you see them do one more gun and they lose.

SPEAKER_03 49:13

Normally a bit fucking much as well.

SPEAKER_04 49:15

Yeah, weird clubber in there. Yeah, mad clubber.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

And then the whole thing, she just looks like a boy scout.

SPEAKER_04 49:21

Yeah. Until right at the end where she's in a very um Yeah, she gets a bit because he tells her, like dinner and dance.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Live a little. Live a little. Yeah. But when did she die? What was the point where she where Dao Ming is supposed to have died? She left him there in the boathouse. She was real there. Yeah. And she went off a kill herself.

SPEAKER_04 49:40

No, I'm not even I'm not even sure because we flash back at one point and he's he thinks that he sees Dao Ming in the restaurant when he has that heart attack. Because she's already because they're saying she's a ghost. She was a guy. She's not it was just a guy and she's not.

SPEAKER_03 49:53

Because they're saying she's a ghost when he's gambling with the 500. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

The only thing is the question I have for that was because I don't know how he got there. If she didn't take him to the boathouse, how would he get there?

SPEAKER_04 50:05

I I I think he's probably done it all himself, but he's hallucinated that he's with her the whole time. Potentially It's probably something that he's known about that with his emergency fund or whatever he's all it but he's just She had told him that other night, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

He's yeah, he's just had a that is where yeah, that is where it's unclear because that period it's all hallucination rather than revealing.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

But a bit of ambiguity like that's okay.

SPEAKER_04 50:34

Yes, I it just goes to show that he's been so untruthful to himself you don't even know what's real or not anymore. He's not until that time where he's lying down on the bed with her and they're doing opium and she says, Give me the truth, he actually gives the truth and says, I'm a scoundrel, really, I'm a fraud, I've been horrible, I've robbed a load of people. It's almost like that was his confessional and the that was his and he doesn't go back after that. He says, I'm gonna win back the money that I owe people, and that's what he does, but he doesn't know. So it wasn't just gambling, it was drugs too.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

If you had to sum up your feelings for this movie in a two-word uh review, what would you say? All in. Bizarre but funny. I would say strong recommend.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

Yeah?

SPEAKER_03 51:33

Well, I think that wins. That was an abrupt ending to that movie review, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 51:43

Yeah. We didn't do any I didn't we didn't do any usual did it cost money, it's a Netflix. It's a Netflix for a second, you don't know.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

It cost a trillion and it made none because they don't they just don't do it.

SPEAKER_04 51:53

So the But nice to see another good addition to Friend of the Pod Corin Farrell. Yeah. Yeah. He should get on the he should come and see us, I think.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

He loves Siggies in real life. Does he? Yeah. Have you not seen him?

SPEAKER_01 52:07

Every interview he just sparks a Siggy just anywhere. I think it's you. Is it me? I think so. Is it me? I don't know if it is me. It's definitely not me.

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Oh, we do have a bit of a problem because I'm away next week. Chris is away next week, and Riggs and I are away on Tuesday and Wednesday. So it m who knows what's gonna happen then. So might have to take a week off. Where are you going? To watch the Wu Tang Clowns. Oh, yes, the Wu Tang. At the at the O2 Arena. You better protect your name. We could, yeah, I know. We could record Monday. We probably won't go down well at home if I'm there. Anyway, we'll figure something out. All that remains is to say tidy signing out. La revedere. Dan's gone.