Gypsies & Apex

On this episode of Bad Dads Film Review, the team reviews Apex (2026) — a stripped-back survival thriller set in the Australian outback starring Charlize Theron, Taron Egerton, and Eric Bana.

In this episode

• Garden-recording vibes, warm-weather chaos, and the usual Bad Dads preamble
• Top 5 Travellers/Gypsies segment before the main review
• Setup: remote climbing trip gone wrong after a devastating opening loss
• Tone shift from survival drama to psychological hunter/prey thriller
• Ben’s “helpful stranger” act and the slow reveal of what’s really going on
• Key tension moments: camp, cave, traps, cliff climb, and escape sequence
• Cannibal reveal and why that pushes the film into darker territory
• Performances: Charlize’s physical lead work and Egerton’s menace
• Runtime/pacing: lean, effective, and mostly free of bloat

Bad Dads consensus

• Tension and atmosphere: strong
• Performances: very strong
• Predictability: some broad beats are readable, but execution lands
• Rewatch value: good if you like survival thrillers with edge
• Overall: Strong recommend (all three)

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:12

I got a question today about bad dads not doing children's television recently. Yeah, that's true, we're not doing that. And uh you know, just as my wife reminded me that rice and ice cream isn't a main meal for for dinner, I think there's still elements of bad dad inners.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Well we decided to s not do it regularly because we don't watch as much of that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

It's not only that, all your kids have grown amount of children, and secondly, six hundred episodes of how many kids do you uh realistically do you still want to watch as a as a No Well I watched a little bit of Lego Masters today, which is it uh Arnett does that?

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Arnette does Batman, yeah, yeah, and he does the the Lego Masters and they have like a competition and they eliminate someone out every week. They've duos that build Lego cities and Lego towns, and they've got to have some kind of twist to it. I guess maybe they're trying to find a new Lego uh set, you know, whether like Ninjargo or Lego Batman or something, so they have this uh entertainment show where this last episode that I watched, and it was one of the first ones I've seen, they had the Builders City, and there was like eight of them doing it, uh, and it had to have a twist, and the twist was there had to be some kind of you know, everyone was enjoying it, and then a snow man was attacking them or something, or a dragon was coming out, and it was sustainable city, everybody was going well up until uh the smog monster came and attacked him and things like that. And Delly's been getting really into Lego, uh which is easy to do because Lego's bloody awesome. Yeah. Um are you still buying any more Legos? You may have noticed we're recording outside, and that's the ambulance just going by.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

I last weekend I finished my Soundwave Lego. Okay. Transformers one, so I don't have any at the moment on the go. Right, okay. But how long did that take you? It took quite a while because I thought I'd done it wrong and it turned out I hadn't, so it had just sat for months on the dining room table.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Oh, right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

And then when I sat down to sort of fix it and finish it, I realised I just had to finish it rather than finished it in one evening, so uh but like that one was probably about 140 quid. So How many pieces? A couple of thousand, maybe. Yeah. I mean it does actually transform, it's quite an impressive thing. But you can't be like buying them all the time. Do you know what I mean? No, yeah. And plus you have to keep them somewhere afterwards, right? They take a load of shit out.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

You want to take them all apart and just keep it in a box to do them again.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Um for those reasons I haven't got any more on the go at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Yeah, just to reiterate for those of you tuning in, uh it's been so warm in Jersey today that uh there's a bumblebee there who's practically got a person on it. That's huge. And a saddle on that one, it was huge. It's so warm in Jersey that we've decided to uh go out into the garden and record, and you may hear a couple of birds tweeting and um cars going past ambulances and motorbikes whipping past, but uh other than that it's incredibly peaceful and still worrying.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Yeah, and we're gonna talk about uh our favourite travellers. Yeah. Are we allowed to say gypsies? Is that is that derogatory?

SPEAKER_02 3:47

They refer themselves as gypsies. Okay. So I don't think what's gonna do that. Romani people. Romani people, travelers, gypsy. And as a as a side note, in Italian, zingaros or zingari, it means travelers, and it's not necessarily a derogative term. Anyone can be a a a traveller. You you've been a traveller.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

When you were traveling, yeah. You're not necessarily a gypsy, but you are a travelled, yeah, well traveled man wh when you were in Nepal and you were in India and all that. It it's not I didn't mean it as necessarily Romani or gypsy people as as a nation, unofficial nation, I guess. They're not really another country, but it's more like traveling people and uh and travels. And travels, and as far as I know, they don't take it they don't take offense. Okay. If you they call themselves, they refer to themselves as gypsies, so nice.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

We're gonna talk about that. And we're gonna talk about Netflix movie Apex. Yes. Charlie's Theron and Taryn Egerton. Taran Egerton, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

And a little bit of Eric Banana.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah, Eric Banat at the beginning, yeah. He was there for a bit. Some other cameos from some other people, but generally they then Yeah, they're the leads.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Anyone watched anything this week? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 5:04

What did I watch this week? Yeah. I watched the end of the boys. Oh right. Which we were talking about it last week. Yeah, yeah. That was dropping the last episode. And well, I won't spoil it for people that may have not caught up at the moment. But uh Is that the end of it? Yeah, it's the end of the year. There is gonna be a spin-off series, but I'm I'm sure there will be there's l huge potential for spin-off and everything, but uh it does n wrap that particular set of characters up in a bow quite nicely. Um and I must say that the thing that annoys me most about it is the fact that it's taken so long to get to uh season five after a long, long time. But I didn't I came to it late so already the first three or four seasons had had dropped, but the the fifth season took forever to get there. But it was good, it was it was a really cool spin on superheroes and you know I don't know, people in enhanced people and you know how drugs can I was looking at the enhanced games. I didn't actually watch it.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

I've seen that with uh the swimming.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

He he got a world record and he got over a million dollars setting a world cup world record. There was a an English swimmer, I think, Andrew Proud or someone like that, uh who was just yeah, just 0.5 of a second outside of the world record, which meant so he won and he got 175 grand for winning, but he could have got a million for breaking a new record. Right, okay. So he was he was a little bit frustrated that he didn't quite uh push it enough, didn't take enough drugs, I guess, to get him over the line. But uh it's uh it's not everybody's cup of tea, that kind of thing, but I think it at least allows athletes who decide that they want to see how far they can go and winning, and fame and money means more to them than competing clean. They they've got an avenue to go to.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Yeah, yeah. And and you know, there's all loads of people that were labelled as cheats. Now that that's allowed. You're not a cheat anymore. Not in those games, you know. If you're gonna we'll watch them. Oh I I didn't watch them, but I might do in the future.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

If you want to go and win the Olympics, then you know you expect to do it green clean. But if you wanted to go and get a million dollars for setting a world record, then you can do it over here. And one of the things that this swimmer, you know, he said, in my, you know, it's really gonna help my family, that money, the Greek guy, he goes, it's really gonna set me up for for the rest of my life. I I just wouldn't get that in if I competing clean. Competing clean. It would take me ten years to be constantly at the top to get that kind of stuff. So why wouldn't I do it? And he said, I might come back and try and beat it again next year. It's another million for him, you know.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

If he does it, yeah, fair enough. I tried to watch that as stated earlier, the Peaky Blinders film. Oh, yeah. I've never watched a series, which I'm probably gonna try to watch now. I know there's quite a few seasons though, so you're gonna be out of your comfort zone.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

I might look at it.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

What does that mean? I think that they're not like 20 episodes, I think it's like six episodes a season. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

I'll look I'll give it a go. I'm not I'm never and and I I I was impressed by it.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

I like it.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

I've said I've said that uh numerous times. I'm never saying never. I'm never saying like, oh I hate it because it's two seasons or three seasons or six seasons. You just said it twice. It's more that I generally find the second season, I never really got into third, but uh I find the second season that it just kind of tries to just prolong it and make it more and more, adding uncles and sisters and all that. So we'll see how that goes. But I do want to watch it. I did fall asleep on the flight to Turkey, but I watched I tried to watch that uh and I watched the the homework, trying to think if I did watch anything else, but I don't I I had a lot of time off, but I didn't really uh spend time on my phone or my iPad or whatever. I watched the football as much as I could, and I'd generally been out and about when I was in Turkey, so that's getting massaged by big men. He wasn't that big, but he was he was very strong. Yeah. Well very strong man.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

I knew down, he's gotta be.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Yeah. I don't think I watched anything other than the homework say it.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Oh really? No.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Okay, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Not not not one thing. Not that I remember.

unknown 9:47

No.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Okay. Shall we just get into uh gypsies? Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's take it.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

I I did dons. Why did I do dons? Have I worked? That was last week.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Do you now have the correct top five topic loaded up? Yeah, I think so. You locked him. I've got a few Why don't you start us off for your favourite gypsy?

SPEAKER_01 10:13

My favourite gypsy. Okay, well the the first gypsy that comes to mind is Brad Pitt's gypsy in Snatch. Yeah. It's the Mickey O'Neill. Mickey Mickey O'Neill. I Doug. Yeah. It's that kind of Jason Statham, Benitiel, Del Torre, and Vinnie Jones, who was one of my dons that I didn't get to put forward. And it's about boxing promoters. And Mickey, who is Brad Pitt, he's proper hard as nails. He's a bare knuckle fighter. He's in sub Nick in this film as well. Yeah, he's he's in absolute fight club Nick, isn't he? He's 0% fat on him. He's looking the absolute beast. And he is great tattoos as well. Great tattoos and getting hit in the face is just bread and butter for him. He he doesn't mind it. He can take a punch and he can get back up and then hit back twice as hard. They think they've he's been beaten a couple of times within the other fighters that he's got, but he just doesn't quit and uh he's got a hell of a strike on him. Um is he supposed to throw a fight? He's supposed to throw a fight.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

There's no way in a million years he's gonna throw a fight.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

No. Uh because they bet on him as we know. They bet on themselves, yeah. But he's up against a load of gangsters and things like that, but they don't understand they're not gonna, you know, they're basically gonna fleece as many people. They're only loyalties to themselves and their friends and family. It's too much.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Yeah, it started off they've got involved because they've they've like fleeced someone off a dodgy caravan deal.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

That's right, yeah. And then it will be a good one. Yeah, Jason's, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Well, actually, Stephen Graham, yeah. He goes to buy a caravan with the the big guy, the George George's gorgeous George. Yeah. And he he just knocks him out.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yeah. He breaks his jaw and then And and Stephen Graham, like, from this film, has just gone on, you know, to be becoming one of those national treasures as well. He is a Don. Yeah. He's a he's an absolute hero. I remember him on Soccer Saturday doing stuff like, you know, just being so grateful for the opportunity he was given in in films when he was just like, doing stuff like De Niro and all this. And then he's dinner, and he's like all the rest of it, Pacino and De Niro and uh and having this kind of and I think obviously producers and directors and casting directors, they just know that wait a minute, you bring something a real kind of everyday normality to parts and and and different sides. We've seen them in the chef thing. This isn't about a Stephen Graham. We could do a Stephen Graham week, to be honest, because he's getting to that kind of status that even the bad dads are uh stand up and paying attention. But within this gypsy uh role, Brad Pitt is your archetypal Isn't it the gangster lot come down and burn down their site?

SPEAKER_00 13:10

The caravan with the mum in it. That's a fucking bad idea. Oh, so it's a world applied. And then they eventually when they come out after the fight, the guy pulls up and they've got the shotgun through the window, don't they? And just fucking blow everyone away in the car.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

And you've got that guy who's the the London is worth watching again is the Bri Top. He's the uh glasses. And he's uh he said, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't expect it to tell me how it tastes afterwards. Yeah. And loads loads of great lines, uh loads of great moments is put together as Guy Ritchie put together Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. I think this was his next best one after that, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Well I think first one was Lock Stock and then Snatch, no?

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Yeah, yeah, this was the film. Out of his films, I think this is you know, they are number one and two. I really enjoyed Lockstock, but he he's my the first gypsy that came to my mind anyway. Yeah. Mickey Mickey.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

I've got an animated one, Esmeralda, yeah, Disney from Disney World.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

So yeah, what's Esmerelda? She was she was a gypsy. Romani, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Yeah. Dancer outside a tragic figure, Disney heroine. I thought we it's one for the whole family there, you see.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

It's a brilliant film, actually. I've seen this. It's you know, great voice actors that that put it, but great Disney animation as well. And obviously it's a it's a well-known story of you know, this uh uh misunderstood uh figure. He's he's been shunned by the world, but actually he's he's got a heart of gold and he just rings the bells and loves Ismerelda, Ismeralda. Yeah, I like I like him.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Well, do you like him or Esmeralda better?

SPEAKER_01 14:52

I lo I like Quasimodo because basically he just He was a real looker. Well he wasn't a real looker, but he had you know Heart of Gold. If you could if you could shallow Howl him, he would be uh, you know, an absolute blinder. He would be a Brad Pitt.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Yeah. My first one that I thought when I did this was uh John Wick. Right? Yes. Because he was from the Romani school from the the house of the gypsies or whatever they're called, and uh that was the family at the seat of the high table or whatever, and he the Baba Yeaga or whatever it was called, he was originally a gypsy from the origin story. That's who that that's where he comes from and how he comes from. After watching the John Wick series and the ballerina, the Continental Yes. Well, the Continental is about Winston. Right. So it's I've seen that one. It's it's really good. Yeah. And it's like a three-part series, so it's an hour and ten minutes or an hour. Right, okay. So I I I really enjoy that. I don't care for ballerina too much. Me neither, but they do have John Wick in it. Yeah. He makes an appearance, not just her. And that's where you know the the gypsies teach her to and you kind of get that more of a background story where he was a gypsy, not just showing up from the films w about him. And uh that's can't remember what she calls him. She calls him something in in Romani. I can't remember the the the name of him. His actual name in in the spoken language, but um.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Did we do you know the uh Sherlock Holmes films with Robert Downey Jr. Did we review one of those? Did we get a second one? Because in that when they they do run her after Nomi Rapach, I have her on my list as well, yeah. And so they go to her traveller community and they get everything nicked on.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

She's a fortune teller. Yeah. He he goes to see her and then they go to France where they do all that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Yeah, I had her on my list as well. On my stag, dude, when we were driving, we went through some places that had a load of mad fucking gypsy houses that I'd never seen the like of before. Yeah. When when Pete was driving through that um because we missed our flight, didn't we? Or the flight was delayed and we the plan was always to drive, then we weren't, then we decided we weren't going to drive, and then the flight got put back or something, so we decided we were going to drive. It was a six-hour drive and uh given as any consequences. And then it's like footballers' wives, but like next level. Unbelievable. Because then we said like there are these two. On the ground floor. There's that'd be where like the horses and shit come out of. Yeah. And there's marble floors. Yeah. On the ground floor. So it's super lavish, but super like fucking tacky.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

And it's all that it's all in on one road because they all want to be their house on the road. Yeah. So there's there's no s you know how you go into a village and there's the main road where the cars go, and then there's other streets going back and like on that road. There's all the villages on one road because everyone wants to be on the on the Wells to get the horse out onto it and shit.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Yeah. But here is an eye opener saying all those gaffes, they were fucking mad.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Yeah, of towers, gold, roofs, and all that. So gaudy. Yeah. And that's real life, that's not even a film.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Well, more real life, did you ever see the series My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding?

SPEAKER_00 18:16

I was aware of it, but I never actually watched it. I've never watched it, but it normally exists.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

I did actually watch an episode of this, so um very well placed to talk now about it as an expert. But it was real people, yeah, real gypsies, and it was this British documentary series that explored the lives and the traditions and the weddings of these Romany kind of an Irish traveller communities in the in the UK, and they were just so extravagant, you know, and there were very young girls sometimes getting getting married. It was a massive hit, but and it really brought I I guess the the traveller community into the the mainstream a bit, and people started to understand a little more about them. But these girls would get dressed up in dresses that were huge neon kind of dresses married in it's a whole different world. And uh, you know, the the kind of life that they lived and and just accepted as part of that that life, you know.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Well, he just had Tyson through his daughter. I was getting married last weekend. She's 16. Um and but like afterwards, like Google her wedding cake. I mean it's like floor to ceiling. Fucking insane.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah, I mean it's um They go all out. They they really do. And this this show I think just made a lot of people uncomfortable and made a lot of people It's a bit exploitative. Yeah, but it's happening. Do you know what I mean? It's like it it wasn't just for the show. Yeah, they didn't know. They didn't have to be. You know, it was that outlandish anyway. They didn't have to put on network. That's just how they do it, yeah. That's just how they do it, and they don't uh they that's the way they roll zero fucks. The zero fucks, that is their community, that is their history, that is the the way that they want to live life. They don't want to get tied down into uh nine to five jobs, they don't want to get tied down into paying bills for the councils and things like that. So they'll move and they'll just sit up and go and they'll pick up. And there was recently in the in the news uh because very little that the UK law can do to prevent, you know, 40-50 caravan houses and sites, and they come in and it's a full-scale operation. Do you know what I mean? They're not like they're not pulling caravans with horses anymore, they've got propers RVs and and they're laying tarmac down and and suddenly this sleepy little hamlet in kind of you know Sussex or wherever it is, is just they've got 300 families just moved in next door to them, and who knows how long they'll be there. Probably in, you know, the councils know that they're in for a long law fight because nothing's clear. Uh the families around them suddenly they're live, their quiet, little kind of perfect life is is very disrupted. And that but this was a brilliant show, and it showed their side of things a little bit more. And actually it ran for like five years, and uh it was pretty cool. Okay. And I I maybe watched three or four episodes a bit.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Well, look, you said you're not an expert. You're you're definitely more of an expert than both of us because I've never watched any of it, so I can't really say anything. What I have watched was, however, in speaking of Romania and Romani gypsies, Borat. Yeah, I was wondering. He he's not necessarily himself a gypsy. He is c well, he claims he's from Kazakhstan, but the film is the the whole film is filmed in Romania. Uh the first one. And uh he does go and go into a village and he's he's it's all shot in in proper gypsy environment. Yeah. In in Romanian. And and the the the people he interacts with they are proper gypsies. Yeah. And uh whoever hasn't watched Borat, they need to watch it because it's amazing. I'd not have to. The main issue is that uh the people that were filmed and the revenue that uh Borat made has never gone to these people. Oh right. And obviously these are people that they're just villages, pe they people that live in a village in Romania, they don't really know what a film really is, or or the internet or whatever. And now I think they're not necessarily suing the people that uh directed or created Borat, but they're a bit like, well, we've been exploited because we actually thought this is this is You made a lot of money off our pack. These are people with cameras that brought this guy in, and we thought he's either a celebrity or a diplomat or something like that. They're taking a piss out of us. Yeah, and he was just How wrong were you? And they yeah, exactly, and he's just there take the piss, but y a at the same time I think it's funny.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Fire beware.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

So I can't really I can't really say anything more than that.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

But one of the tropes we've seen you mentioned about Naimu Rapace's character in Sherlock being a fortune teller as well, but they also use the Romani, they kind of can curse people. Yes. And there's films where that crops up. We've got a couple of examples. There's the Stephen King adaptation, Thinner. Oh wow. Uh which is also like kicked off by uh Romany Curse, yeah. Okay. So that's quite good. And Sam Raimi's rad, so any any chance of getting him in there? Go there. Do you want some music ones? Yeah, we we we like that. It's quite a lot where they just have a song titled Gypsy. Fleet with Mac had one, that was a Stevie Nicks song. Uh Shakira, familiar with her work. She has a song called Gypsy. Lady Garga also has one called Gypsy. I'm a big fan of her husband Cali. Uh but my favourite, I genuinely really like the song, it's a Cher song. Gypsies, Tramps, and Thieves. Oh, yeah. That's a real good one. From way back in 1971. When you were when you were what, in your 40s, Dan? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

I was I was I was well into it there. Did you ever hear of that uh that Romani fortune teller? Uh she was just escaped from prison, she was quite short. She was uh small medium at large. Um there was a joke coming, but I just wanted to know what what's yeah. The one that I would put even uh higher than that one is uh one that we talked about a little bit earlier, and everybody's kind of fawning over uh Peaky Blinders. There's there's not just a film which has come out kind of recently on Netflix, there is also um the series that that dropped on BBC. And I I got to it late. I think there was already at least three or four series out before I started watching, which just meant that You can binge. I could binge, yeah, because you can get into a film uh and a series a lot better if you can resist that first urge when everybody's saying, Oh, did you see it? Did you see it? Oh I can't wait for the next episode. Yeah, you're right, I can't wait for that, so that's why I'm not watching it now. I'll I'll give it all to me. I'll I'll kick it a year down the line and start to watch it. And this was really worth watching. Uh you've got Tom Hardy, Killian Murphy, uh set in Birmingham. Yeah. You know, after World War One and the Shelby Crime family, who have Romani heritage and uh and family on on their side, and there's also you know, they they twist in into the the ghosts and the supernatural. And the supernatural, exactly. And different members of the family have more power than other parts of the family, but they all respect it, and there's, you know, they're illegal betting rings and high society and you know, razor blade fights and crazy haircuts and peaky caps and everything.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Um the blades and the caps, do they have the blades, I think?

SPEAKER_01 26:36

But yeah, it was uh Yeah, they I mean they were they were a nasty lot, and they were feared in Birmingham, and they ended up leading this uh this crime family right to the top of uh sort of the UK, I guess, and going into politics because he was a he was a clever fella. The guy that uh what's his name? Killian Murphy, but yeah, the the Tommy Shelby. Tommy Shelby. Yeah, Tommy Shelby. Sorry, Thomas, I don't know. Brilliant character played brilliantly by Killian Murphy.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

I did hear a story about that. I don't know if it's true or not. I didn't verify it. I'm not mates with any of them, but apparently that when they did the casting, the BBC, I think there was BBC initially that started it. Yeah. When they did the casting for the main character for the Thomas Shelby, there was Killian Murphy, Tom Hardy, and someone else, and they were one of the other ones that is really good British actor, and they were want they were more the the people that were doing the casting were more kind of inclined to give that guy the role. And Killian Murphy had the last hearing or whatever you call it, the last thing. Before he left, he was like, I this is my last performance, you decide who you want, but please remember I'm an actor. I don't know who your other choices are, but do remember I'm an actor. Rather than whoever the other ones were or what Tom Hardy's an actor as well, isn't he? Yeah, I know, but I can't remember if it was Tom Hardy or someone else, but it was one of the like a pretty boy, right? Killian Murphy's not necessarily a pretty boy. Tom Hardy is a like a more handsome man, if you want to call him that.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

He ends up in it, though, doesn't he, Tom Hardy?

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Yeah, he does, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

He plays a brilliant character. Apparently, I don't see that particular.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

He plays a brilliant character in it, yeah. I I've only got one more and then I've got my no. Yeah, same. I have which I it's more of a documentary, and we you've touched on it before. It's the Fury family. Okay, yes. They have a TV show and look, he's a gypsy king for a reason, especially here in the in Great Britain. And I was gonna touch on the on the subject of his daughter's wedding and all that. She's got some mad name as well, isn't she? Esmeralda? Or something bonkers like that. Or Argentina or something like that. Yeah, it's something like that. Which I'm I'm just mentioning that because this family of uh Furies, it represents I I'm obviously from Romania, we have a uh big Roma gypsy community, and I used to be. Venezuela, I name it. Venezuela, Argentina, Venezuela, sorry, yes, one of them. And my one of my second cousins was called Argentina in Romania. I know a few Mercedes, I few I know a few Bentley. We know Bentley. I knew a few, like anything uh diamond, Diamantha, which is the diamond but is the feminine diamond. In Romanian, you can do that. So when I was playing football as a as a youth for for for the youth teams at Starbucharest, we had quite a few gypsies, and I've become quite accustomed to the traditions and the family and all that. And I briefly dated one of the girls that was in a gypsy family and lucky. No, but I know a few of the traditions and one of my mates, we went on a night out, this girl went to his house, they slept together, and then the next morning there was about 20 people surrounding his building because he was expected to marry her. Mind you, this wasn't her first night sleeping at someone's house. But because she didn't come home, they asked her where she was. She was like, I'm in this area, give me the address. She asked for the address, and there was people outside, and basically apparently we found out later that she would do that, and if you were weak and you would just say, I'm I'll marry you, really, really scared you were getting by pure pressure and and doing that. And this is a tradition that in the gypsy family, in the gypsy community, there's one of my friends here who is Romanian, he admitted to me that he kidnapped his wife to marry her. When she was 17, he was 23, and in his own words, he was like, Oh yeah, I kidnapped my wife, you know how it is, gypsy style. And that's how he he he's not afraid to admit it.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Crying on Baywood on Bad Dad's.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

But that's how he's done well, no, they they their daughter is now 17, they lived here for 20 years, and you know, there's no more they're happily married, they're still together and all that, uh even living here, but that's the tradition. That there's no and it used to be because in the gypsy tradition, is like like any trans transaction is is available. So if you have a daughter, you have a daughter, and my son is of marrying age, and we're best mates. No, it's not necessarily that we it's best mates. We do a deal. Yeah, okay. Well I'll I'll give her I give my daughter to to your son, but how much are you gonna pay? Or how much is gonna be her dowries? And that's how these these things are negotiated, which is sad in a way because th these people don't care about love, it's more about transactional. And you end up loving your person or not later on in life. So the Fury is on a long story short, I think it's a it's a good because now there's television stars rather than just boxers, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Arranged marriages, certainly not only a lot of cultures. Yeah, it's it's not only uh Romani or gypsy kind of uh style, is it? It it does happen over uh a few different cultures and things. Uh you mentioned travelers before, not just gypsies. Uh so I was thinking of the Leonardo DiCaprio beach. Remember that film The Beach where they had a group of travelers and things who Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 32:25

You can't go there anymore?

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Uh, it's heavily restricted, or is it you can, but it it is heavily restricted. I think it's only eight hours a day. Right. And you can't go in the water anymore. Zero. It's not where we go. Yeah, they I mean It's the best place I've ever been. Yeah, I've been before it was restricted, don't you? Is is I've never been to a place that looks so beautiful. Like that Maya Bay.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, they they still do trips to Maya Bay where they're they're making money from it and things, but it was obviously had a a huge uh influx of people that did damage the biodiversity and everything, the the nature of the area after the popularity of that film. My nom would be From Russia to Love. Yeah, I thought I I thought I was gonna jump in there first because I knew that Saidi would maybe just jump in ahead of me. But uh this was James Bond, he's set to assist uh a Soviet consulate clerk in escape in f in Istanbul, and he goes to a heavily fortified camp, a Roman uh Romani camp, where a big ball breaks out with Spectre agents. Well, first of all, they get they get their belly dancing.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

And then it's a fight to death of the two girls over the man. And this this was uh took uh a couple of weeks because the director wanted to get it to feel uh really uh untamed compared to standard you know Hollywood accounts of fights and things at at the time and just being really kind of gritty and and everything. But yeah, Sean Connery is is involved and uh doesn't he end up like one of the women pledging herself to him or this saved someone's life. As you say, you see they this these amazing belly dancers at first.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Never never thought that was anything. I think he saved someone's life, and he's then he's like, No, you then you must marry my daughter, sort of thing. He's like, oh don't you know about me? I'm James Bond. I'm not the marrying card.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Let's it let's it go better. Yeah, from Russia with Love, a 1963 uh going right back, that would be my norm. 1963.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Jeez, I know. Well, you've taken mine saying I'm gonna put in Mickey O'Neill from snatch. It's got it's got a top five name in there.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

No, I think it's a fairly solid choice.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

I've got well, I've got two norms actually, because one is uh one is a traveller and one is a gypsy. Okay, for it. The first one is quite changing, is David Carradine in Kung Fu, who is a traveller.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

The uh, because I was thinking about uh Roger Harrow and like Blind Fury and stuff like that, the traveling sort of hobo type character.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

So this is for me, it is that was one of the first ones that because I didn't want to just put gypsies and and he is he auto asphyxiate himself to death in a cupboard? I think so. Yeah, I think so, like uh what a way to go. Yeah. It's how he's how he would have wanted. Who wouldn't? Really? But top five. Quite chancane. The series Kung Fu ran between 72 and 75, and the sequel in 1990s, the legend continues. Uh the traveler, American, he travels in the old west seeking seeking his half brother. You've also got a monkey to put in there, haven't you? I just thought of someone just that just travels, and it's in a series of just him being on the road and not pretty much like Sonny.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Yeah, I I I I tried I tried yeah, I could I could put a Sonny Supertramp on YouTube in it there as well, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Which is a real person and he's a descendant of a Craven dynasty. He's a descendant of bad dads. But my uh nom is a film that we've done for the podcast, and it was my first nom ever on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

A film, uh Serbian film, which was White Cat Black Cat.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Black Cat White Cat actually. Yeah. By Mirko Sturica. And it was all of them are gypsies.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

Brilliant. I've got that on DVD. It's one of the few DVDs I've I've hang on to.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

All the film was all the film was in with gypsy, all of them. All of them were gypsy, the language is used with gypsy, the guy wipes his bum with a geek. It's complete madness. It's complete madness, yeah. You can't you can't beat that. Yeah. So that that would be my norm. People with gold teeth and all sorts in it. Yeah, it is. Girl Pitic or all that. Oh, that's a great, that's a great norm. Yeah. So that would be my norm, and we're waiting for two more from two more norms requires. From the great unwashed.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Right, really up to date 2026 joint, Apex, Charlie's Theron. Yeah. Terran Agerton. I always struggle with his name. Pretty much opens up with a quite an intense climbing sequence. Well, there, that's where we have Troll Wall, Eric Banner, and Troll.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Trollvegan.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

And there's a bit of weather coming in.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Yeah, Eric Banner is there. Yeah. And I'm thinking, alright. Didn't know he was in this. I didn't know either, to be fair, yeah. And so they're climbing and hanging. Still I I think about this a lot. Like, how does that work? Because they're in a tent on I assume still just a sheer fucking wall.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

I'm in a hanging basket kind of thing. Yeah, he's like in a birdcage with an open side. Well, that's what they do.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

They they've got a a base of six uh beams where it's one across, two across, and four rectangular it's a rectangular like a base, and it's hanging on the cliff. Yeah. How they put, I don't know the name of these things that you Carabinas or whatever. The carabiners. So the carabinas are hanging. Could you get any sleep on that? Fucking hell. Apparently, because if you put it the other way.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

I'd just be fucking nervous. But well I suppose they're wedged in, uh so there's more than just one. I guess climbing is like this is just not for me. This is extreme climbing. Oh yeah, that's not for if you watched free solo, then you'll know the kind of wall that we're thinking of. Uh that's in uh Yellowstone or Yosemite National Park, uh. But there's a few spin-offs from that uh where they climb in so long and well I think they they had wanted to summit, hadn't they? They do sleep in these in these bigger, you know, in these tents. So they're it's it's like a a hanging tent. As you say, they've got carabiners that that clip into the wall face. I think they would reluctantly camp.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

They wanted to sum it.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

They wanted to sum it.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

She couldn't quite make the bit she keeps getting stuck on, understandably, could it look fucking impossible to climb over.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Like a lip that you get. It's a lip that you come and it's an overhang that you have to kind of s spring up and he's like, we'll do it tomorrow. We'll go we'll get over it tomorrow. She's fallen three four times and he calls it, he says, Look, there's a bit of weather coming in, and in the tent he's saying, Oh, don't really, you know, older than that. I'm getting to the end of it I'm getting to the end. He looks older than her. I don't know if he is in real life, but he looks older. She's calling me, you know, she's calling him out a little bit and saying, Well, you know, it's just don't you know we've still got plenty of this in it. And he goes, Well, you know, you don't want to go too far. He's basically it's he brings out some saying I can't remember the words. Yeah, about the luck.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Your luck will develop the luck run out. You go many times on this mountain, your luck will eventually run out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

This is not the sort of thing you can push too far. And it is an i a terribly extreme mountain, it's just the two of them, it's cold. You know, it's it's literally ice blizzard and their hands are cold and they're having to pull themselves up, and she on the retreat down, as the weather is really closed in, uh, says, Yeah, yeah, I've I've got the the thing in place. Actually, she doesn't, and he ends up falling. And I think some ice falls down, isn't it? Well, some ice falls down. She's not sure if he's dead already, but she can't hold on in that current and she has to take the decision to cut the rope or or let's go. She lets the rope doesn't go, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

He dies. And you're thinking, fuck, Eric Banner's not in this for very long. Yeah, he was just yeah, at the beginning of ten minutes.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

Next thing it kind of cuts to her in Australia five, six, eight months. Her name is Sasha, by the way, in this film. Yeah. She's like five, six, eight months later, she's sad face, on her own. In a campervan in the outback of Australia. Exactly. And she's going to Canoe. Wandara National Park. She's getting a few supplies in, and there's these couple of real, you know, uh rednecked kind of guys that uh sizing her up in the in the convenience store, which is just a store in the middle of nowhere, and saying, Oh, you got everything you want there, love? Do you want a hand? And she just says, No, I'm fine. And he makes his own beef jerky.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

And then one guy. We got a guy called Ben, we'll find out. Yeah. That he's like, I think he's she's alright, guys. And they just kind of go, Oh, okay, we're gonna leave now. And she's like, Oh, thank you, blah, blah, blah. And she sees that he makes his own beef jerky.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Yeah, and he goes, Sorry, I just thought I'd say something. She goes, No, you didn't need to. She's very independent, yeah. And she is ballsy. She's not asking for anybody's help, and she could have handled those two guys just fine on her own bit.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Although, once she gets into the car, she based for petrol, she does ask for directions because the GPS doesn't work anymore. And she asks for directions to Ben, who's who's pulled up alongside her.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

He gives her a couple of options, doesn't he? He g he goes, Oh, you can go that way, or you could take this option if you allow me, and and he was saying, But you know, you shouldn't really go alone. I wasn't suggesting we go together. And you thought, well, okay, you know, on the thing, yeah. He's he's just trying to help, and she's being a little bit short with him, but she's not given any kind of indication, you know, other than asking for direction that she wanted any help. So she got the directions and she sets off, she camps. She takes his advice and she goes down to this creek, and there's a couple of guys there uh who in the in that convenience store that turn up a little bit later and they're they're being weird, they're skinning a deer or intimidating. They're quite intimidating. They go up to a window and say, 'Do you want to join his love?' And he's she just says nothing. She's not rude, but she's firm. And they eventually go and she launches her kayak the next morning. And heads down on some really rather gnarly rapids on her own. She knows what she's doing, she's got all her uh gear, she's left her a van up at this kind of.

SPEAKER_02 43:24

I was gonna say though, is that what normal look, I I don't think you've been travelling the most out of all three of us, I would imagine. But is that what people do? They just leave the van and then they just go rafting for seven kilometers.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

How do you get back? You do that you do that in the Ardèche, actually. There's one of the best trips I ever went on was in in France. And you you normally have a company that will kind of bust you back. Will bust you back. You know, so they take they take you back up to the thing. But uh you obviously take all your stuff, you take the river all the way down until you get as far as As you want to go, and then they track you back up to to where you started and and everything. So we didn't know that that was going to happen, it wasn't obvious, but you assumed because she was in the middle of nowhere, and she just left her van. Her van and and all her worldly possessions apart from the basics, which she's got in this kayak and she heads down, and she looks like she's, you know, really enjoying the the challenge and the there's a little bit of zero fucks, I think, because she's obviously lived through a really bad moment. She's got a lot of guilt over the the death of Eric Banner, and she's she's doing things that are probably you know, you even if you do have two, three, four of you, they're they're dangerous to do. If you're on your own, yeah, dropping waterfalls and rapping. Yeah, it's quite cavalier. Yeah, it's very cavalier.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

But we as the viewer know that Taryn Egerton is a star. So we're waiting for his return. Yeah. And he she's getting intimidated by that that that group of guys, and she, and it's him that fucks him off. He turns up and he's tells him to shoe, basically.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

Well, no, he we don't see that. We we see uh that oh in in the convenience store he's kind of given him the I think she's okay, boys, but when she's out in the outback area and they're skinning a deer, we find out a little bit later as she's canoed through and she's we've also gone to the Ranger's office who's warned her don't go on your own. Don't go on your own. A lot of people don't come back like, you know, and there's loads of posters of missing people. Yeah, with loads of fairly like significant like red flags. Loads of cut and she's she's you know, not put off. You know, people get lost out in these outback things, and and as she's canoeing down and she gets to this certain area, uh she camps up for the night, and when she she puts her stuff on a tree branch, her phone and her important kind of backpacks and everything, and it's gone when she wakes up in the morning, she's like flipping it, where the hell's that gone? Like, you know, it's completely gone. She heard a couple of sounds in the morning, but she doesn't see anything, and she she heads back down the river. So yeah, she's been kayaking her stuff's been nicked, and she as she goes through the next kind of set set of rapids, she hits a nice calm bit, but from the camera's point of view, she's shot behind uh an ID card of one of the missing people that we've seen a poster of in the Ranger's office, and it turns out it's a bit of uh kind of graveyard of um it's almost like a shrine. A shrine, that's a better word. Yeah, it's it's like a shrine for for people. They've got uh ID cards, not just of one, of like, you know, seven or eight, nine people there. Lards, all the yeah, stuff like that, yeah. And as she goes down a little bit further, uh she finds another little place to to settle up for the night. And there's like a little camping area. Yeah, and she sees I think it's the next morning, uh she sees Ben turn up and he's just kind of making his way down his kayak.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

No, she she she goes past his boat, but don't doesn't see anyone, goes past, ties her kayak, and then kind of walks around and then finds this kind of hut in the middle of nowhere, and he's at the edge of the river, and he looks surprised. Oh, you're here, oh you made it. Oh, did I tell you? The rapids were really good, they just drop you dry right down here, it's it's really good. And she says, Yeah, I had a great time, but someone licked my bad. He's oh, that's such a shame. Have some food. I've got fish, I've got this, you know. Wombats, like you know, yeah, wombats are stealing, and she's like, Oh yeah, I I thought I had it high up in the nah no, they'll get you every time, mate.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

And he's kind of being nice. Uh he insists that she sit sits and has some food and then water from pack double what I need, so you know you can have but it doesn't take her too long before she notices the bracelet that he's got on is her bracelet. Yeah. And he doesn't spend too long in revealing the fact that he's got all her stuff, he throws her bag out, and then he starts playing this tune brothers, and he goes, You got he he brings this crossbro, yeah, and he goes, You got to this song to get away as far as possible. And then I'm coming after you. It's human predator. Yeah. And a human predator. I mean, he's absolutely terrifying this guy, and he's not joking, and he's just starts kind of dancing to the music, heads banging, the tunes going off, and she starts running through the forest and the j the jungle, trying to get into the kayak and starts going away. But of course, he knows every inch of this place and McDundee across with the Predator. Yeah, everything's set up. He knows how to those rapids are gonna run and where to catch her up, and and so starts for the next sort of 40 minutes of this film a real cat and mouse. It was a chase, really, right? Chase where you know she's shot out with the arrows. I think one hits her in the backpack, but it doesn't obviously go one in the leg, just a little bit scrapes the leg, the leg and everything, and he's loving it. And at one point, she's looking at the binoculars through the binoculars. She kind of looks up and he's looking at he knows straight through. He knows that she's looking at him and he's just smiling at her, and oh, it is a spooky kind of moment again.

SPEAKER_02 50:14

And he keeps making these noises, like these animal noises, like we're getting here, like the birds. But not as nice as this, right? It's like he he makes like proper and then when she hides in that little like ravine, and he just does the the pigeon like and she's just right underneath it, and it's like, oh mate, yeah. But because through the b binoculars, she can see where his bolt is moored, yeah. And where his camps are.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

You get the feeling he knows his land so well, he is a step ahead the whole way. He knows he's been through this a few times with different people as well. He's learnt from those what human nature will make you do, and everything. There's one family, the Carter family, uh, that have gone missing. And at one stage he hears some voices, and she runs up to it and she just finds the phone and it's a trap like for him. And she's she actually thinks, Oh, some people there they can help me, but no, uh it's just uh he's lured her into it.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Well, it's a recording of uh Ben filming this family rafting down the river and they're waving at him while he's recording.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Yeah, take it taking them into his his confidence and everything. And she gets she goes back to get the boat. Yeah, she gets she gets caught while he's outbolical doing the dive in the river. That's right, he's he's kind of swinging off a rope, swing into the river, and she decides she needs to get the her kayaks gone, gone down river. She needs to get her kayak, uh his kayak and an escape. It's a trap. But she can't untie it in time before he finds out. And then she's looking like a bear trap that's caught as she goes into uh into land to try and tie it untie it from from land, and he's just like so happy with himself, he's caught himself another kind of victim, and he takes her into this cave of doom. Cave. They they you know, they have to go down.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

It's quite an elaborate Yeah, it's like a proper a proper height of what do you call it?

SPEAKER_01 52:35

A proper He's climbing down instead of climbing up. And uh they kind of got Abso down this uh this ravine and they go in, he goes, Oh, welcome to my bedroom, and he's got like a picture of his mum, one of those, like obviously a psycho uh just and you see the character family just hanging. The two kids are dead, yeah, and the wife and the husband are just hanging with like There's a few bodies, and you realise where he gets his jerky jerky from.

SPEAKER_00 53:02

She's eaten And she's already had a bunch of She's eaten human flesh, yeah. Yeah. And it turns out so the reveal is that he is a proper cannibal. Yeah. And he he takes the liver of his victims, and he believes that he can take on their spirit and they will and whoever challenges him the most, those are the ones that will grow his spirit. And his first victim was his mother. So he believes she is still alive through him having consumed her liver. Yes. So he's pretty well adjusted for that.

SPEAKER_02 53:33

Um and that's where we get the scene with the teeth.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Yeah, we get the scene with the teeth, and he says, you know, that some tribes file away their their teeth and and everything, and he shows this as she starts to try and, you know, get into him. I think somebody must have really hurt you at some stage, and I think somebody must have really and I'm so sorry for for that's happened to you, Ben. And he shows his teeth and then he gets her hand and puts it in his mouth, and she kind of pulls it out and he freaks out a bit and realizes you know that he's he's weird and he's gross and it it kind of Yeah, you know, he he's he he runs off again and she's trying to soften him up because at this stage she's strung up and and there is no way she's escaping.

SPEAKER_02 54:23

Yeah, and and we have to say she's her hands are tied together and he has the chain. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

Like the they they're so it's not like she can do anything, he could do anything to her at the at this stage. Uh what she does is bite his ear at one stage for Tyson and goes uh takes his ear off. And manages to uh kind of get away and jump into the water. Rapids, they you know, this almost goonies kind of style uh rapids that spits her out and uh is a huge drop into the river.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

But before she drops, he connects the chain to his belt. Yeah. So he can't she can't get away too far.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

She can't get away too far. But she does end up collapsing a a rock on his leg and breaking his leg as they get onto Kind of a fight. A bit of a beach, and there's a bit of a fight going on, and she breaks his leg and he's suddenly really vulnerable and goes, I can't believe he broke my leg. He breaks her nose, he punches her in the nose.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

He breaks her nose and she breaks his leg with a rock. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

And I can't believe he broke my leg. And she's like, look, after a night where they're both exhausted and just he can't move and they're still away, he can't move. She says that I could wait here until you die, but we've got to get that mountain today. Like, you know. I kind of wondering why she does I suppose she just doesn't want to wait four days until he dies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

There's no supplies about it.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

Then she would be too weak to climb out that you're kind of thinking, well, go and find another rock love and and just pelt him because he's his leg is proper blood. Yeah, you can see the bones sticking out sticking out. He ain't going nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

And you can see the flies because that's what her point is. Like if we don't go today, that's gonna get an infection. There's flies on it, and you're gonna definitely lose that leg and you're dying.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

A wall similar to troll wall, I guess, that we came back. And up against the middle. It's huge. And she says, Look, if I'm gonna lead this climb, we're gonna need this kind of harness. You need you need to to follow me. Says, right, well, if I see you doing anything to to that harness gonna be tethered to you, I'm gonna pull us both off this mountain, like you know. Right, okay, that's the score. He said, I promise I'll let you go when we get to the top. Seems like a trustworthy kind of guy. You know, there's no reason not to think that won't happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

She uh uses a prussic knot. Yeah. Classic. Yeah, obviously we knew that. Yeah. Some of the listeners might not have known that, but yeah, we knew that.

SPEAKER_01 57:07

And uh they they climb and they climb bloody high. There must be three or four hundred metres up like that. At least, yeah, it's high, yeah. And the bottom seems a long, long way down, uh, and they've not got the tools that she had at the beginning. They've just got rope, really. Yeah. But they're they're doing it. They're they're making their way up and even.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

She's using the carabines, they're they're both she she does at one point touches the her harness, he pulls her straight down, he's like, I told you not to touch it. He's like, Okay, whatever. And then when she climbs.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

I was just kind of you know adjusting it, getting it ready, like but yeah. She has got it all she she is obviously finding a way in which she can release him. And at one stage they get to like this Mr. Miyagi tree branch at the uh the top of like where Miyagi gets his bonsai from.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

But there's another there's another kind of lip where she kind of goes on top and sh he can't see her what she's doing. Yeah. So she attaches his rope, the prussic rope, to the tree branch, and she tries to get the harness as soon as as quickly as possible. He pulls it, but he kind of instead of pulling her whole weight down, just kind of pulls the harness. Yeah. And then falls. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

It's kind of slipping slipping off her then. And uh he realizes that his time is is short, and we see him we see him take a terrible tumble and and hit the rocks.

SPEAKER_00 58:40

But they they did have a conversation where she's but she speaks about Tommy. About the uh Oh, yeah. Yeah, we speaks about her guilt and all that, about maybe she could have held on to for longer and stuff. Even though they're a they're you know, victim and fucking prey and aggressor. No, she do have this.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

Yeah, we are still outside. If you can hear these background noises like we can, there's uh there's a few weird juggernauts going by. It sounded something like wiki races going by.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

Yeah, but he is now dead. She's only in her jeans, a tank top, and no shoes. Yeah. That's her only so this is free solo, that's Alex Honnold, eat your heart out. So they stand on Sasha.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

And won't you know it? She's got a very similar lip to uh overcome with no rope, no second chances.

SPEAKER_02 59:37

It's just it just shows you what uh burning your bridges does to you. Exactly. If you don't have any other option, some of it's is it reminded me this scene to the dark night when uh when he climbs out the the prison. It reminded me when you don't have a rope, you take the leap.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

Yeah. It reminded me of uh a time that I was climbing up in some bros by some rocks, but I tried to get over this lip and I just ended up retreating down because I was you couldn't get over it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

I was it just didn't seem worth the the risk to me. But um But she does make it over the lip this time, thank goodness. And she eventually finds stumbling around for a while and she finds a vehicle. Yeah, and they're nice people. Thank goodness, and they take her back. She uh fucking loud that bird. Uh she goes back to the ranger's office. Yeah, she gets gets dropped at her car, goes back to the ranger office. Tells her where all these vi's missing people are.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

Well, she looks really rough because obviously her nose is broken, iPhone, all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

The Ranger guy doesn't instantly recognise that, does he? He goes, Oh, well, you how are you doing? Are you all right?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

So she leads them back to the cave to find all these people.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:53

And it's over there as she's kind of driving down one of those big Australian roads where there's absolutely no one apart from her car. She's on the way on the radio, it's like all those missing deaths that were reported to be of the Outback and the dangers of it is now being attributed to one guy who's psycho-cannibal who's who's died at at a scene and pretty much fade to black, then isn't it? It's the end, yeah. It's a 90 minute 97 minutes. It's not uh a really, really long film. I did watch it in two parts. This oh, did you because it gets a little bit heavy and spooky, and it was nighttime, it was quite late, and I wanted to watch the rest of it in the day. I thought this was actually quite it's an action film, it's a thriller, but it does, you know, it makes you twist your stomach a little bit. This is quite cannibal stuff's always a bit. Yeah, cannibal stuff, but also you know the noises and noises and the and the snake in the tent, which is always a bit of these kind of films. Like I don't mind watching with people a little bit, but oh yeah, it was it was edgy. I mean, it was loads going on. No, I thought it was an action film, isn't it? Once you've seen it and you turn the sound down, it's in the daylight.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:19

No, we've seen enough of these films to know that she's gonna survive. Yeah, right. So it's not and and the the first time I I've never seen anything about it. When when I was speaking to Kara, she's like, oh my god, yeah, I can't wait to see that because I've seen that. Have you seen the thing with the teeth? And I was just like, So the only thing throughout the movie, I was just thinking, what is the thing with the teeth? Yeah. Because she told me that before the film. So I've never seen anything about it, I didn't know what's going on. Initially, I thought this uh Tarant, whatever Ben, yeah, would have been there to help her or whatever, because he tells the guys to leave her alone or whatever, and then I kind of you slowly realize that he's the bad guy, really. Yeah, but I I didn't really think that it was because you you know what the outcome is gonna be. She's gonna beat him. So you just kind of wait to see how it all pans out, hands happens and and that. But look, for 90 minutes, I actually enjoyed this film.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:20

Yeah. Twists, turns, you do know what's gonna happen, and it's almost like the beginning, you know he's gonna come back. I didn't expect him to be a cannibal.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:29

I knew he was gonna come back and be something like no, yeah, but it's very much like a jerky, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, true. Um yeah, I really enjoyed it as well. It's good. You see his ass, yeah, yeah. Strong ass.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

It was actually quite funny when you say that with a jerky because the only time when I kind of no, I I I still didn't know he was gonna be a cannibal, but when she goes to his camp and he's there and he's kind of showing her the river and talking about her backpack and all that, and he's like, Oh, you make your own jerky. And I was just thinking, where the fuck does he find this beef? Yeah, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

Nobody was really questioning that in the outback convenience.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:08

Because he specifically said it's Jenna's or Johnny's jerky. Jonna's jerky or whatever. Named after his mother. Yeah, and I was just thinking, well, I've seen the guys with the bee with the antelope or the the deer or whatever. So if it would have been deer jerky, I kind of get that, right? But if you say it's beef jerky, this is the middle of nowhere. There's no beef.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

Well in in New Zealand, you know, there's like you know, more sheep. Sheep and and cows and livestock. Right, okay, yeah, but this is But no, no, that nobody was questioning it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:41

And the only question I have, I really enjoy the film. I think it was it was strong recommend. But the only question I have is I've never been to Australia, right? So so I can't really say anything. You've been to Australia. Yeah. Have you been to Australia? No. Does it rain that often? Because it rained every other day in this film.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:00

Dunno. I think they've got a rainy season. Yeah. I mean, but is that how it works? Yeah, yeah. So our summer is their winter. Okay, yeah. So now would be it would it would definitely have No, but in the outback, in the out in the outback, they there will rain. They'll definitely have, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

They because that was my question, because every other day, so she gets there the first day, then it rains. She gets the second day, then it rains. The third day, then it rains. Okay. So it's just like, fuck how much rain? What's going on here with the rain? I thought Australia is.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

No, it's not uh not dry all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:33

Don't have any financial numbers, but it was shot entirely on location, so it's probably quite expensive. Uh Charlie Stone did quite a lot of her own stunts as well. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Uh she's a good Nick though. Yeah. How old is she now?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

50, 50 plus. Is she? 55, maybe?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:49

Wow. Don't not entirely sure, but she's been good. She's good in this. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I'm gonna give it a strong recommend. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

Well, I'll agree with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

Strong.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:04

I mean Saipan, midweeker. Yeah. And then we've had gypsies. Yeah. And we've topped it off with the Apex. Exactly. I'm not sure who's maybe Reeves or something. It may be young Sai who's gonna go to party or something together while he's away partying in a beefer. Pete's in French France. But we will have some more noms for you next week.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:28

We sure will. But yeah, all that remains for now is to say Siddy's signing out. Later there. Dan's gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:34

No, no, no.