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Twitter."},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1945.3,"endTime":1946.53,"body":"Thank you very much John."},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1946.53,"endTime":1949.57,"body":"It has been a real pleasure"},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1946.53,"endTime":1949.57,"body":"to meet you and hear your story."},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1949.57,"endTime":1953.12,"body":"We are going to be"},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1949.57,"endTime":1953.12,"body":"definitely staying in touch."},{"speaker":"JOHN","startTime":1954.02,"endTime":1955.46,"body":"Thank you, Neil,"},{"speaker":"JOHN","startTime":1954.02,"endTime":1955.46,"body":"thank you Antonio."},{"speaker":"JOHN","startTime":1955.46,"endTime":1956.82,"body":"This has been awesome."},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1956.82,"endTime":1958.99,"body":"And thank you also to"},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1956.82,"endTime":1958.99,"body":"My Clear Text"},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1958.99,"endTime":1961.0,"body":"for keeping us captioned."},{"speaker":"NEIL","startTime":1961.0,"endTime":1963.12,"body":"Page | 2"}]}