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It doesn't mean."},{"speaker":"DAVID","startTime":1999.34,"endTime":2001.4,"body":"There is not really a reason"},{"speaker":"DAVID","startTime":1999.34,"endTime":2001.4,"body":"why you need to include people."},{"speaker":"DAVID","startTime":2001.4,"endTime":2002.82,"body":"You just need"},{"speaker":"DAVID","startTime":2001.4,"endTime":2002.82,"body":"to include them."},{"speaker":"DAVID","startTime":2002.82,"endTime":2005.13,"body":"Make sure that everyone"},{"speaker":"DAVID","startTime":2002.82,"endTime":2005.13,"body":"has a fighting chance."},{"speaker":"DEBRA","startTime":2005.13,"endTime":2007.18,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"DEBRA","startTime":2005.13,"endTime":2007.18,"body":"Well, said."},{"speaker":"DEBRA","startTime":2007.18,"endTime":2008.95,"body":"Thank you David."},{"speaker":"DEBRA","startTime":2007.18,"endTime":2008.95,"body":"Thank you Antonio."},{"speaker":"DEBRA","startTime":2008.95,"endTime":2015.0,"body":"And we'll see you at Axschat"},{"speaker":"DEBRA","startTime":2008.95,"endTime":2015.0,"body":"next time. Bye everyone."}]}