We descend into the terrifying world of mafia hitman Richard Kuklinski. Beneath the façade of a loving family man, lurked a ruthless killer believed to have snuffed out up to 200 lives. We delve into his twisted psyche, his brutal methods of execution, and the moment his reign of terror came to an end. It's a bone-chilling peak into a mind that knew no mercy. But the macabre doesn't stop there. Our exploration takes us to the frosty terrains of Finland and the legend of Simo Häyhä. Known as the White Death, Häyhä was a hunter turned sniper whose chilling precision claimed numerous lives in the Winter War. We look at the man behind the legend, his incredible survival techniques, and the scars that marked his legacy.
The climax of our discussion leads us to an almost inconceivable comparison - Kuklinski vs Häyhä. Who possessed more lethal prowess? Whose tactics outsmart the other? We dissect their lives, their motivations, and their deadly strategies, leading us to a chilling conclusion. As we wrap up, we offer a glimpse into our next daredevil comparison. So, join us on this wild ride that veers from the eccentrically humorous to the heart-stoppingly frightening. It's a journey you won't forget.
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We descend into the terrifying world of mafia hitman Richard Kuklinski. Beneath the façade of a loving family man, lurked a ruthless killer believed to have snuffed out up to 200 lives. We delve into his twisted psyche, his brutal methods of execution, and the moment his reign of terror came to an end. It's a bone-chilling peak into a mind that knew no mercy. But the macabre doesn't stop there. Our exploration takes us to the frosty terrains of Finland and the legend of Simo Häyhä. Known as the White Death, Häyhä was a hunter turned sniper whose chilling precision claimed numerous lives in the Winter War. We look at the man behind the legend, his incredible survival techniques, and the scars that marked his legacy.
The climax of our discussion leads us to an almost inconceivable comparison - Kuklinski vs Häyhä. Who possessed more lethal prowess? Whose tactics outsmart the other? We dissect their lives, their motivations, and their deadly strategies, leading us to a chilling conclusion. As we wrap up, we offer a glimpse into our next daredevil comparison. So, join us on this wild ride that veers from the eccentrically humorous to the heart-stoppingly frightening. It's a journey you won't forget.
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Secret.
Speaker 2:Solo Show. I'm toes Shocking on my titties, like you want me calling me.
Speaker 3:Out of all three of us. Eli, you're definitely the toe sucker.
Speaker 2:I've never sucked toes in my goddamn life.
Speaker 1:I literally just sit before I got on this call Do my friend. I'm talking to this girl. She's like we're trying to see who has the better, better, better. That's a, it's a acknowledge that. Who has the better, better, better, choco tan line.
Speaker 3:Like show me your feet. No, I think she just wanted to see your feet, because she's a fucking pervert.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hope so. I hope that's the case. That's the best case scenario.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's like put a big toe in my pussy. Nope, she's like that's bad.
Speaker 1:Get into the get ankle deep, yeah, ankle deep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to. I want to gape your pussy with my ankles.
Speaker 3:No, that reminds me of this old video. There was this dude, or no, it was a girl who had like a stump, like her leg was like a stump, you know, but it was down by like her ankle and this and she was like literally putting that into this dude's ass. And it was playing that song from a South Park where it was like no you're a man, oh man.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what you fucked. I've seen the video.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, the song is from that, the movie that I'm drawing. But the video, yeah, Team America.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I saw that when I was like what the fuck is this? There was a video where I saw it was like it looked like it was like in 70s or 80s video, but this woman had like a massive fucking puss. But I think the biggest thing is I think it was like all special effects, because there was a dude who like shoved his whole head inside of this woman's fucking puss His head, yeah. I saw that the ball yeah, the ball dude yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think it was special.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've literally all seen it. And that'll be posted on Instagram. This week at secret, we're going to be interviewing. Yeah, his head is still up there and we're going to interview we actually real quick before we get started. Have you guys heard of lasagna cat the?
Speaker 1:what lasagna cat? Okay, so it's like this was on your cat.
Speaker 3:It's this weird old YouTube video. There are a channel that was like make it essentially like a spoof of Garfield. Obviously, right, but this is like early, early YouTube, like their first set of videos were came out 15 years ago and then their second batch of videos came out six years ago and they haven't like posted anything since and it's just like really fucking obscure. Like apparently, apparently there's like you can actually see like a dude sticking it, and then there's like a fake like Bukake scene, and it's all still allowed on YouTube for some reason.
Speaker 2:No way.
Speaker 3:So it was like surreal, like horror, garfield, like videos, like it's so bizarre. So I kind of want to go through like that whole catalog and check it out.
Speaker 2:I like when a meat canyon posts like videos about Garfield.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like yeah, so I've been, because I was watching a video today called what the internet did to Garfield and it's like fucking mind blowing, like you guys should check it out.
Speaker 2:It's what the internet did to Garfield, yeah it's so insane. Yeah, it's like a second, like an hour long video, yeah exactly.
Speaker 3:It's like an hour hour and a half long. I'm almost done with it. I've gone Garfield. What is?
Speaker 1:Garfield. Garfield's a comic in the early 1990s 2000s have captivated audiences and they explain the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Did people like want to like get fucked by Garfield or something Probably?
Speaker 3:I'm sure it's course it did. I mean everybody seems like any kind of anatomical like creature there, like I could fuck that.
Speaker 2:No, I'm fucked by Garfield. I mean, if you want to get fucked by Shrek.
Speaker 3:So it only makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I mean, I'm fucked by.
Speaker 3:Shrek one day. Shrek is life. Shrek is love.
Speaker 1:I mean, you don't think Fiona's got a load?
Speaker 3:in my hot ass. Shrek is definitely filling up Fiona like big time, not even like a big time either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just this big old dick, big old green dick.
Speaker 1:It's probably small and covered in like what are you doing, stepo?
Speaker 3:here I covered in like swamp mud.
Speaker 2:Swamp cumb.
Speaker 3:Anyway, should we get on with the show.
Speaker 2:No, imagine like I'll fucking smell your stuff.
Speaker 3:No, I just want to talk about Shrek and Dick for another round.
Speaker 1:We're really immersing ourselves right now, you know, but for like.
Speaker 2:Imagine how Stank Shrek and Fiona smell like Fiona's. Plus must smell like the fucking 1600s of like Great Britain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the rap leg, the rap leg of 1400s. Imagine like fucking algae.
Speaker 2:Imagine like a 1600s, like brothel. It felt musty. It would smell in there. Yeah, where at? In the it's more hot Italy.
Speaker 3:France, some are hot before AC the world didn't exist in that old, like pirate community in Nassau.
Speaker 2:Or like Texas, like brothels in Texas.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, dude it just like from the rooms it just sounds like someone's like punching a boot full of mayonnaise.
Speaker 2:Imagine them dude, dude, imagine all the fucking shmeg, mother fucking dudes have in the fucking decks? Yeah, but at the same time, though, if they jumped in the river like that would clean that shit up pretty quick, Because the river water is like pretty refreshing, not if they're all shitting in it.
Speaker 3:True yeah that's true. That's why I'm gonna bathe up some for you.
Speaker 2:You gonna cry, maybe shit and cum Just cry.
Speaker 1:People in India do it every single day.
Speaker 2:People fucking just throw shit in like the waters in India, every single fucking hour, dude those waters are getting gross.
Speaker 3:No, it's like literally starting to create like toxic foam.
Speaker 1:Well, it was like part of the river is, like they call it, a dead river.
Speaker 2:There's nothing alive in it.
Speaker 3:There's no water.
Speaker 2:There's no water.
Speaker 3:There's no aquatic life at all Sea life, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if you guys remember I sent you that video of like, the or not the video, but the pictures of like, the river, like, or the water, just like foaming up and it was like really toxic foam and they're just like dancing and bathing in it.
Speaker 2:How are they?
Speaker 3:alive. They must honestly out of everybody on earth they probably have the strongest fucking immune system Like that is like insane to me.
Speaker 2:So, I looked up and it says at least one heavy metal and quantities toxic to human health and three quarters of 764 monitoring stations across 117 of India's major rivers. So three quarters of India's rivers are toxic to humans.
Speaker 1:What they're three quarters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, three quarters of the river.
Speaker 1:India's a giant country.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the Yamuna. For decades, sections of the Yamuna have been plagued by the dumping of toxic chemicals and untreated sewage, toxic foam coats. Sacred river in India, as Hindu devotees bathing its water. Jesus.
Speaker 1:Ew dude Mars super soldiers.
Speaker 2:Hmm, oh, the percentage of water in India is contaminated 70%. India 70% Is it safe to shower in India? There's absolutely no reason why you can't bathe, wash your face or hair with tap water, while in India that's a lie, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's no sketch.
Speaker 3:That's like saying drinking water in Mexico is safe.
Speaker 2:you know that's not, what is it? What is it?
Speaker 3:Not Salmonella, but, uh, e coli, e coli yeah, exactly that's a, that's a flavor of soda E coli.
Speaker 2:E coli Salmonella is a salmon dip. Yeah, salmonella is a flavor of pust.
Speaker 1:It's a nutella Dude I saw this picture.
Speaker 3:I don't know if it was actually like real or if it was like satire, but this girl posted a picture of like chicken was kind of like, sort of like cooked on the outside, but it was pink in the middle still and she's like oh, she's like, I love medium rare, medium rare, medium rare chicken. There's a dude, I'm a dude and the dude, like calm did it was on Facebook is to count it. He's like he's like that's how you get Salmonella and she's like no dumb ass, this isn't fish.
Speaker 3:I was like she's like if that's real, just let her die.
Speaker 1:That's like Darwin award.
Speaker 2:Water pollution in India kills millions.
Speaker 3:All right, can we stop talking about India?
Speaker 1:Well, my restaurant used to work out in Tempe. They would, they didn't know what they're doing in the kitchen, and they'd serve raw chicken. Oh jeez. I go back there and be like hey boys, it's not steak, I just yell at them yeah. And they get so fucking mad at me.
Speaker 3:But yeah, but you're not wrong though?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. You're not supposed to eat you need to cook chicken and fish all the way. Steak is like the exception where you don't have to cook it completely.
Speaker 3:No, so medium or sorry. A rare steak at a bare minimum needs to be 125 degrees, right yeah, but chicken at a minimum needs to be 175. Yeah Well, I think at a minimum it can be 165.
Speaker 2:165. 165. And then fish, I think needs to be 145, 135. Yeah, somewhere around there.
Speaker 1:Well, we're all qualified to serve safe.
Speaker 3:We all know our meat.
Speaker 2:We all know our cooking and food chef here.
Speaker 1:The next episode we're going to discuss where to put the raw fish in the refrigerator.
Speaker 3:Don't put the raw chicken above everything else. Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's just chicken's poison, it's cross-contamination.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've only been surviving on it for like millions of years.
Speaker 1:Well, like this day and age, you have to cook the shit out of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 100%, yeah because everything's all pumped full of chemicals and shit.
Speaker 1:They feed it, they feed chickens shit, yeah, anyway, all right.
Speaker 2:So, like some of my favorite steaks. You're like stop it, let's get into the fucking show. I just want to talk about rated shit. Man, I miss doing that shit.
Speaker 3:You're like oh yeah, anytime we have to do something fun. You're like I just would rather talk about food and chicken and pussy.
Speaker 1:I mean our goofy episodes are my favorite episodes to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like the goofy episodes.
Speaker 3:They're my favorite, the goofy ones, anyway. So, that being said, we're back to the third episode. Over a little killer fight battle thingy. The winner of the first week was Merko Krokrop, krokrop, krokrop, I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Merko Krokrop.
Speaker 3:Merko Krokrop and then the second week's winner. I was actually very drunk and I don't remember, but I know it was me.
Speaker 1:Albert Fish lost, and it was Carl Dinky. Carl Dinky yeah.
Speaker 3:Carl Dinky. I left some things out about Albert Fish, that would have put some chips in, it would have, or it would have just bombed everybody out. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No, like he filled his uh this whole hot needles like 20, he had 29 hot like needles. You didn't say that.
Speaker 2:No, you were, you're, you're, you're, you did talk about it.
Speaker 3:Cause nobody sent a picture and I was like I was like oh it's like a Rorschach test.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, I was drinking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was like I honestly don't remember how the episode ended.
Speaker 2:We were very sloshed yeah.
Speaker 3:I lost both rounds.
Speaker 2:You still lost anyways.
Speaker 1:I was, obviously I was devastating. That's surprising yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean. But but to be fair though, those fights work pretty close oh.
Speaker 2:Second one yeah, they were in the same way. It's like one was close yeah.
Speaker 3:Just cause Albert Fish, we were like oh yeah, he gets stronger every time he gets hit because he's a fucking sadist, but anyway, so today, right off top, right off the top, I wanted to just say that, like Me, eli had to kind of figure out how we wanted to go about this episode, because, yeah Cause it's a harder.
Speaker 2:It's a harder way.
Speaker 3:Probably the way we were looking at it is and we're not going to give anything away right off the bat, but we'll just say that like if if this fight took place in an open field, one person would instantly die, and then if this fight took place in close quarters, the other person would instantly die. So I think what we're going to kind of do, scenario wise, is it's just going to be like in a we'll just say like an abandoned, like urban environment or whatever you know, which is kind of more in line with your character, Like what, like like Tarkov, almost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, we're talking like a bottom warfare or like you?
Speaker 3:know, war torn France or something Modern warfare one so normal, so normal, so normal yeah. Yeah, turn normal, yeah, turn normal, yeah, turn normal yeah. That kind of that kind of urban setting. Basically, Eli, did you want to go first? You want me to go first? Oh, you go first. Okay, so the fighter that I picked is Richard Koklinski. Oh, old Dickie Cuck Born, he was born.
Speaker 2:April 11th. Are you reading off a wicked?
Speaker 3:video. No, I'm reading off my own notes. So he was born April 11th 1935. He was a mafia hit man that claimed to kill between 100 and 200 people. Now, looking back at our previous episode, where we listed the amount of deaths happening in the 1980s in New York, it's probably not too unrealistic to think that this is a possibility.
Speaker 3:However, dick Cuck was only convicted of five official deaths. That's his name for short, dick Cuck. Oh why? Because Richard Dick and then Koklinski. I just called it Cuck Dick. Cuck, you cook. So he was only convicted of five official deaths on record basically.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what I want to say is that if he was a mafia hit man, most of those deaths were probably either undiscovered or could be traced back to him, even possibly covered up or shifted blame by different mafia families. Now he did work a little bit here and there for all the mafia families, but typically he did. I don't know how to say these names, except for Gambino.
Speaker 1:But Genovese and Di.
Speaker 3:Cavalante Cante.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to say these fucking names the Cavalante, genovese, the Clubh County, the Cavalante, the Cavalute County.
Speaker 2:The Caval Cavalante Genovese.
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:Cavalute County.
Speaker 3:The Caval Can you?
Speaker 2:imagine if you get like. Imagine if you get like a headless, like a decapitated rat in your fucking mail. Just a rat, oh yeah, just like a rat in your fucking. Go ahead, yeah, go ahead. Fucking in your bed. It's like you better delete that episode of us. Bunker boy, she's not joke Fucking. I go to work. My fucking breaks are.
Speaker 3:Brankster cut, it's a good thing. Arizona's flat then, yeah, all right anyway. So all while posing as a happily married family man. But I strongly feel his wife was glad when he was gone, because she got a call from the hospital about resuscitating him and she said nah, it's all good.
Speaker 2:We, so I'm sure he was an asshole?
Speaker 3:Yeah, she, I'm sure he was an asshole behind closed doors to an extent we will never fully hear about.
Speaker 1:I love my family. You know, I love my family.
Speaker 3:There is some info where he literally stabbed her in the back, literally. He also yeah, like, yeah, literally, not to death obviously, but just right, just you know, I just want to poke, just a little poke.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:We're just practicing for shanking. He also beat her to the point of three miscarriages, possibly more and he said if I, he said this to his kids too. He's like, if I accidentally ever beat your mother to death, I got to kill you as also, so maybe not father.
Speaker 1:Yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 3:But that being said, dick, dick, cuck with a big old boy. He was six, five and almost 300. Fucking Jesus Christ, yeah, six, five, three hundred, fucking pass. He was a fucking Monster. He also committed his first murder at 13, where he beat a kid to death, pulled his teeth and cut his fingertips off.
Speaker 1:What the fuck it is a circumcise.
Speaker 3:So what were you guys doing at 13?
Speaker 1:Wait, so hold on back up, but he Beat the kid death.
Speaker 3:With his fist, yep circumcise them. Yep with his mouth, like the Jewish people do, and then cut his finger. Cut it. He pulled his teeth and cut his fingertips off because he learned that from like true crime magazines or something or radio.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's like not know who the person is. Yeah, is that real though?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, well, I don't know. Maybe, yeah, probably, and this is at 13 years old. Then, just a few years later, he killed a cop by Lighting him on fire and watch him burn. Wow, and this one unsolved for many years. But they he finally confessed to it in like, I think, 2001 or 2003 and they added like 30 more years onto his sentence, but like he already had two life.
Speaker 3:Like consecutive, like yeah but he would also kill homeless people for sport and kind of get practice, for I get good at what he was doing.
Speaker 3:Essentially, and he was technically a serial killer before becoming a contract killer. He was creative with his kills. He liked to poison people's food or even spray cyanide onto them directly. He would Feed people to rats. He would Mmm Also essentially turn himself into a tree by tying a rope around someone's neck and then throw him over his shoulder, effectively hanging them until dead. Be people to death with his fists or tire irons. He was also clever too. He once knocked on a door and when he noticed a shadow covering the people, he'd shoot the people, effectively going through the person's eye and brain. Jesus yeah, he got caught basically buying like Cyanide from somebody undercover and it was like fake cyanide and that's how they knew, because they were like looking for somebody, because they were trying to find like his MO. They're like, well, these alive people are Dying or whatever from cyanide where they could people man, is it catch?
Speaker 2:on to him.
Speaker 1:So he's just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it was. Yes, we got caught, I believe in 2001, I can't remember. No, it was actually in the 80s. He got caught in the 80s. Yeah, he just like basically like an informant, like connected the whoever was in charge of the the operation operation I should make ice man, they called it and they even like got like the ATF involved and like the FBI and all them and so he's like yeah, so they set up like all this crazy shit and he tried to like kill a guy by putting like cyanide on his burger and Was a bit of taste of burger.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so okay, well, clearly this is fake. So and I think that I think they were saying that like cyanide tastes like All men's. I think they were saying they said like Apple pits are all men's. Yeah, it's not like that. And but he was. He was basically like Arrested on October 17th.
Speaker 3:Okay, he got on on October 17th of 1986 and then later, like I said, he confessed to the murder of the one cop when he was like 16, and in October of 2005, after nearly 18 years in prison, he was diagnosed with Kawasaki disease, which I actually don't know anything about.
Speaker 1:Can't stop writing more seconds.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Kawasaki disease. It is a condition that causes inflammation in the walls of some blood vessels in the body. It's Critical needs emergency care. So yeah, you can know from it.
Speaker 3:Whatever it does to kill you it. Basically, he had asked doctors to make sure they revived him if he Basically like, went under, but then his former wife, barbara, barbara, had signed that do not resuscitate order. So a week before his death a hospital called Barbara and asked to see if she. It was asked to rescind the instruction, but she declined. So he died at the age of 70 on March 5th of 2006. So he oh he He'd cut a dickie cuck died of cardiac arrest and had been suffering with heart disease and Plabitis.
Speaker 2:Syndrome.
Speaker 3:Basically, he just had a fucking heart attack. It sounds like, and yeah he didn't resuscitate him.
Speaker 2:Oh well, didn't he do not resuscitate? That's yeah, that's what I just said. Yeah, oh, I just said that too.
Speaker 3:So yeah, do you want to say it here, to make sure everyone knows the DNR? Do you know our dance, dance revolution? But yeah, so I think, I think, I think I think that was like his wife's last little like fuck you, damn, basically, because she was like, even though she knew he was gonna die in prison, she's like, well, fucking, let him at least like, let him sit this way and then I'm just not gonna, like you know, redo it.
Speaker 3:Yep, that's essentially Our boy, our good ol, big ol boy, dickie cook good old, good old boy, dickie cook.
Speaker 2:I heard you got Eli Alrighty, so I'm gonna butcher the fuck out of his name. Hold on Simo, hey, huh, see, oh Hi, I think that's how you say the name.
Speaker 1:Okay, right.
Speaker 2:He is renowned to be the world's deadliest sniper. I Well stood these worlds deadliest sniper, so Seymour.
Speaker 3:Versus the world's deadliest hitman exactly.
Speaker 2:At least it managed it. Yeah, I thought he was born in New Jersey. Whatever, same. Thing.
Speaker 3:So, shit.
Speaker 2:No, was born on December 17th 1905 and he was born in an old Finnish region of Karelia, which is now a Russian territory. So pretty much when he was younger he was a farmer by profession and he pretty much enjoyed like snowing, skiing, hunting and like shooting like a fuckton, yeah. So whenever he was growing up, you know, his dad would always take him on hunting trips and just teach him how to calculate distance, like Like kind of figure out like how far people were or like animals were. Yeah, he was a growing up. So I guess what it says here is that he practices a lot, because it is not a skill that he was born with. So he had a fuckton of practice from it. And you said this is that even like a young age. This is like at a young age. So when he was about, I'd say Like a young, like a young teenager, so probably like 13 or 14, okay, yeah, and then when he got older he fought for Finland against the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2:In history refers it to as the winter war. The conflict pretty much occurred in the winter of 1939 to 1940. It pretty much started when he was 33 years old and then on December 17th 1939 he pretty much celebrated his birthday. On the Kolab battlefield he served a total of 98 days with the six battalion Infantry Regiment 34. The war only lasted 105 days, so he was in there for pretty much 99% of it. And then he pretty much still saw the war, even though when it ended he was wounded and hospitalized during, like his last week of conflict. But During his 98 98 days of terror, cmo was unseen and unheard of yet was all the while targeting Russian soldiers with deadly accuracy.
Speaker 3:Oh is this is this is his main, uh, his main accomplishment right, his main, his one of his main accomplishments, yeah, okay. I could remember because I thought it was in World War two, but um, I was like, oh, it probably wasn't actually.
Speaker 2:no, yeah, but he was in the World War one and a little bit of World War two. But, I thought. I thought it was World War two, but yeah, no it was World War one. Uh, pretty much. Uh. He once killed 25 men in one day. Yeah so his, his reputation pretty much precedes him as a marksman and, uh, it soon reached the Russian front lines and they referred to him as the white death.
Speaker 1:So it's uh, why was he known as?
Speaker 3:that.
Speaker 2:He was known as the white death because during the cold, though the winter war, he would uh hide in all white camouflage. Uh, he did not use any scopes at all due to the the scope glare or the scope glint giving away his position.
Speaker 2:He used only iron sights and he would pack his mouth full of snow. That way his breath wouldn't give away his position. He would also Pour water in front of his muzzle, like on the, on the snow in front of his muzzle. That way, once he shoots, the muzzle flash and like the kind of uh the blast of, like the, the bullet going out of the, out of the barrel, wouldn't Uh make snow fly up in the air as to give away his position. Yeah, he was insanely smart when he was so fucking smart, jesus.
Speaker 2:And then, uh, even on certain occasions that uh, you know, enemy snipers would try to Kill him or even like indirect fire from like mortar Uh in the vicinity of his firing position, so they wouldn't even know where he's at, but they would kind of guess where he was at, but and probably it doesn't say how close the artillery and like the mortars got to him, but that's saying that he wasn't wounded or killed or he wasn't scratched at all. There was one instance where, uh, the mortar kind of landed near like his uh, the back of his coat, which he survived by only having a minor scratch to his back. Yeah, yeah, damn. And then pretty much like he Treated it. He treated the military as his, as like a job. He treated it like going hunting and was always thinking of new ways to remain hidden and full the enemy. He developed clever techniques such as pouring the water into the snow, so that way the muzzle blast wouldn't expose his position.
Speaker 2:He loves it.
Speaker 3:in other words, yeah Well, wasn't it more like it? Wasn't it more like he did? It wasn't like he saw it more of like as like?
Speaker 2:a as a good game. He saw it as an. A was like how to be born fish oh.
Speaker 3:He's like these people are like invading my home or whatever.
Speaker 1:So yeah, can I take out that's like a ruthless and sound way I think about it. He's right. Oh, it's pretty much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, he took like the humanity, he took the humanity out of it. Yeah, like. I just realized how long I just realized how long he lived for two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially in like world war one, like it's. It's insanely rare, like uh well, especially after.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you have the research on it, but especially after what happened to him, too, I do, oh, okay, yeah, no, I have it all on here, but, uh, he became a master of using sounds, using Smoke and artillery fire to cover his movements when changing positions.
Speaker 2:With maps very scarce during the war, he relied on his memory to find the best hiding spots.
Speaker 1:God, that's insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially during the night, when he would go to his favorite positions again. So even just think about it, like at night, at nighttime, and he is not able to use fucking Uh lanterns or anything, so he's literally just relying on memory, right, he's super, super, and especially at night, when it gets to like negative, negative temperatures it's, it's like insanely cold. He's just like A cold, fucking bloody killer dude.
Speaker 1:Well, the more you like describe it. It sounds like he's having fun with it. He's like I know I could get there at night. Like what's the truth, oh no, he was.
Speaker 3:He was a sniper in world war two. Yeah, he was there I was 1939, 1939 to 1940 winter war against, so gay union yeah so world war two?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so his gun of choice was the m28 30 One that he owned before the war, so he wasn't even issued a rifle. He pretty much got his rifle from his hunting rifle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was pretty common though back then.
Speaker 2:Yeah without even a telescopic sight. This rifle was a standard issue. Oh, so it was standard issue. Okay, so he owned it, but there it was. It was issued, I guess, in the finished infantry, but he preferred the reliability of the model and the consistency of its shot. It was a basic weapon, but one that he had mastered throughout the years of throughout, through years of experience. His weapon was zeroed for 150 meters, the most common combat distance of the time, which enabled him to rapidly adjust to proper setting as needed.
Speaker 3:So yeah, um, did you so? Are you are you gonna say how tall he is too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm gonna say how tall he is as well, and his height as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was just wondering if you knew all that too. No I remember listening to like an episode on him a while ago and I was like, oh yeah, it's all kind of coming back to me now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so pretty much, he is five foot three, whoa, and then let me see his weight.
Speaker 3:So it's significantly shorter than significantly shorter.
Speaker 1:He's dealing with like mountain folk here, like a hobbit kind of thing with a gun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, pretty dangerous, yeah, and it does based on his pictures, he looks really skinny too.
Speaker 2:Really yeah, he looks. He's insanely skinny. I mean, if you think about it.
Speaker 3:He's in Finland during the early 1900s like everybody's gonna be skinny back then, but yeah, so you know what? So earlier, before we were recording, I talked about how I thought he had 731 kills or something like that. He does not. I was mixing that up with unit 731. That's where that number came from.
Speaker 1:Um, what is? What is the amount of kills for His?
Speaker 2:kills are above 550, so he has 500. Oh my god, no. So he has 505 confirmed kills during the winter war of 1939 and 40 yeah, so he has the most kills in history, which is just wild.
Speaker 1:Could it be a right place at the right time? Because the soviets are just like sitting ducks and they're like Like more men versus better training. Yeah, is there? I mean yeah, more or less.
Speaker 2:So pretty much the we're gonna pretty much get to the end of this.
Speaker 3:Also, side note, I think what you do an episode on unit 731 one day yeah, I'm down, should we? It's like it's brutal, it's just fucking.
Speaker 2:But yeah, um so in the damn.
Speaker 3:He was 96 years old when he died, mm-hmm. He was born 1905 and died in 2000. 2002.
Speaker 2:That's fucking insane he was in Finland, so that's that's what I'm going to get to. So in March 6th of 1940, in the force of Luz Yulisma in the Kola region, so pretty much where he was, where he was fighting and everything he was hit by an explosive bullet during a Russian attack. He lapsed into a coma for which he would not awake until one week later. So it pretty much the bullet pretty much struck him in his jaw and pretty much almost blew, like the side of his face off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and now in like even in wartime, like exploding bullets were like a big fucking no, no, yeah, it's kind of like the equivalent of like World War One, when they use like all the chemicals and gas to like kill each other.
Speaker 2:They were like yeah we're not doing that again. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, he so he had. Yeah, like I said, he woke up a year later and then pretty much the armistice, which is like a pretty much him like getting discharged from military service, was already signed. So, even though he woke up a week later still wanting to go back, they pretty much was like no dude, like you're done, You're done. So he pretty much suffered from lasting facial scarring and near constant pain for many years, even after the war ended. He pretty much returned to his farm and then pretty much his name was like legendary and he was like a celebrity when he went back home.
Speaker 3:Didn't he hate? Didn't he hate the celebrity status too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did yeah. That's what he thought. He pretty much stayed to himself and he spoke more with animals in the forest than with other people. Is what is what pretty much he said?
Speaker 3:or pretty much what his friends probably had a cope with killing that many people you know.
Speaker 2:But considering how many facial surgeries he went through. He went through 26 surgical operations on his jaw and his speech was never fully restored and it is not difficult to understand why he may not want to have interactions with other people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because his his, like his whole left side jaw looks like it is melting. Yeah, completely.
Speaker 2:And until he moved into the Kimmy Institute for Disabled Veterans in 2001,. He lived alone and then he died in 2002, like Harrison said, 96 years old. Yeah, it just fucking wild. Yeah, but his skills were fucking legendary. He knew exactly where to go. He was hunting fucking legend and he knew how to stay hidden, and that's what I said.
Speaker 3:If it was like open field, like Dick, dick Cuck would be dead in an instant. But of course you were in the if. But if you were like in the same building as as Dick Cuck, then he would just snap his fucking neck because he's like, like, like, literally Dick would tower over this guy because Seymour Haya is five foot three and then Dick Cuck is six five, which is insane.
Speaker 1:I think Dick would have to get him in the same room, the only way, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:But I mean, keep in mind, dick Cuck was good with I keep saying that name he was, he was good. He was good with firearms too, but obviously not like, to, not nearly the same extent as Seymour Haya.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Dick's definitely very, very cunning, but also, is it Seymour, Seymour, seymour? Yeah, seymour Seymour, extremely cunning as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the tricky part. Is there both cunning and both very intelligent? I don't want to. I don't want to say cold blooded killers, but they took out the humanity of killing.
Speaker 2:He did join the military when he was 19 years old. Yeah, so yeah we are talking about one of the one of the second most bloodiest wars in history.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and Kulklinski was a hit man for the New York basically mafia in the peak of like the 70s and 80s, which is like their murder capital, like ever, like their bloodiest time in history. So but you also have, you know, like we'll just say hypothetically, like that Kulklinski actually did kill 200 people, right, we'll say that those were all him, right. However, that still kind of doesn't really add up to 505 confirmed kills from Seymour, you know yeah, Seymour is.
Speaker 3:Kulklinski obviously physically overpowers him, but I think skill wise it seems like wise Seymour has it, especially with weapons. And yeah, I think Xandermade a good point.
Speaker 2:It's like really Kulklinski would have to get close in order to get that kill, but various things like would, would, would a dick cut, be able to even find him.
Speaker 3:That is a good point too, Like if we're doing our urban warfare setting, I mean he's in the building, whatever. Train sniper I think he would have. He would find a new way of hiding behind. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I agree. Train sniper have finding new ways to be hidden, can literally hear anything and see anything, because they're having an explosive round of the face Exactly, and like the fact that he used iron sights, his depth perception is fucking immeasurable.
Speaker 1:But the problem is, if Richard did close the gaps it would be done deal right then and there because that's the thing too is because because if, like safe Seymour is hiding in a building, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Kulklinski knows his way around death and weapons and all that stuff I feel like eventually he's also he's psychotic, like he's.
Speaker 1:He's a serial killer. He's insane, so like he doesn't yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel like he would know if he was like, essentially being shot at or hunting, or hunting. I feel like he would eventually be able to pinpoint it and get closer. If we're using this urban warfare setting, yeah versus like, depending on the building that Seymour picked, he might not be able to get out of one building into another without being unnoticed versus being on a snowy hillside.
Speaker 2:So for a trekker and then a tracker also, yeah, and I'm pretty sure, since he was hunting, he would be able to, like lay traps and you know, be able to stay silent, be able to hear people. But I mean, like obviously he's not fucking super human, but when you're hunting you listen to literally every single fucking thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and people do have hunter instincts, to just like.
Speaker 2:And he's been hunting since he was a child, and then he just well, just like people also have- like, just like, if you're, if you're hit man, you also have like instincts for instincts. Yeah, exactly, you know, so you would yeah it's really hard to say.
Speaker 3:I mean honestly in my mind I honestly can't pick.
Speaker 1:I think the white. That's a little scarier. But now that I've kind of heard, I heard about him because you can't.
Speaker 2:You don't really know if he found you or like he sees you until you fucking died, and like you don't even know where the fucking game from.
Speaker 1:He's just so efficient, yeah, yeah. Like he's he's to the point, he's making sport out of it. It's like dude.
Speaker 3:This guy's got like he just he pretty much like the, the fuzo, like as he honestly, in my mind, I don't even know if I don't even know if he sees it as like a sport. I just think he just takes the humanity out of it and just so I mean turn that thing off.
Speaker 3:Okay, he's pretty much just said, it was like he was hunting pretty much, I think there I think there was like a quote that he said to where he just liked and it's not that he didn't see them as people, but he just like kind of had to turn that part of himself off because he realized a greater thing was kind of at stake. Yeah, I don't know. So basically is and are you kind of have to face off everything you heard, you have to pick who you think? It's pretty hard.
Speaker 1:Like. It's hard to say I don't know much about the white death If he was in the right place at the right time. We all know that the Soviet Union's tactic during the world wars was the quantity of quality and everything they keep. They very well could have been a lot of sitting ducks, but maybe not. Maybe he was proactive, proactively hunting them to clean ski.
Speaker 2:I mean, think about it too. Every time he would shoot. He would just keep moving positions like constantly and by memory as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like, I'm going to my hunting spot.
Speaker 2:Pretty much.
Speaker 1:Kuklinski. The only problem with Kuklinski is that, just like Mike Dowd, the corrupt cop, we don't know how much I can. I don't really know how much I can believe from Kuklinski, but we're listening to the interviews with him. He's definitely cold-hearted and scary, so I have no doubt that he's ferocious completely, but exactly as far as being an efficient killer, I would definitely go with White Death.
Speaker 3:Oh, hang on. So I just saw the quote. He said I didn't feel anything towards the enemy, I just fired and loaded and continued as long as there were enemies. Yeah, I just shot every time I saw an enemy, I didn't care if he was a commander or not.
Speaker 2:That's fucking cold as shit. Yeah, that's fucking. I don't give a fuck who you are, I'm a lucky.
Speaker 3:I'm a lucky man. I never had dreams about the war. I always slept well. During the war too, I did. I did what I was told to as well as I could. When he was asked how he became a good shooter, he just simply answered practice.
Speaker 1:The problem is is that Kuklinski is actually much more of a predator in reality because White Death is circumstantial. He's in the world wars, he's in Finland, finland's right next to the Soviet Union. Yeah, so like he's embroiled in this thing, that's bigger than himself, whereas Kuklinski is, you know, more or less.
Speaker 2:He was a contract killer.
Speaker 1:He likes to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he enjoyed it, but he has more motivation for sure. I don't know if Kuklinski ever like tried to kill somebody who was ready for him. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I will say Kuklinski, he did, he did. What he would do a lot Is he would kind of trick people and lure them into a place of weakness before you killed them. But he did enjoy it because he would like Mix it up. You know, like he tried there's. There's one story about like he Like. Essentially what he would do is he would like be like hey, meet me at this place at this time, and then he'd essentially just shoot them right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just completely unaware that who's gonna that that person was in a die.
Speaker 3:But he would do, he. There's this one time where his gun jammed when he tried to shoot the guy and then he literally Beat this due to death with a tire iron. So yeah, he definitely, like I would say, enjoyed in the sadistic nature of like his kills Mm-hmm, even if they were like simple, like poisoning or shooting them in the head or something you know yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean this one's, this one's kind of tricky, too Xander. What do you, what are you thinking like overall in result, like I know, I know, I know time and place plays a huge factor into this, that's right yeah which realistically is, is what's gonna make it or break it, you know.
Speaker 2:Cuz like also like imagine if a Kukolinski pretty much went to go kill A Sumo like on his farm.
Speaker 3:You know, I mean yeah right, they would see him coming a mile away because he's a fucking giant.
Speaker 1:If they're in the. What if they're in the?
Speaker 3:octagon. What do you mean? Oh, just like a pit. Well then, you have see, kukolinski would win, because, yeah, kukolinski is six fucking five and 300 pounds, you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's tricky man, I don't know. Yeah, obviously my dad is more efficient, more deadly.
Speaker 3:Do I death is?
Speaker 1:But he's going unchecked. He's allowed to go unchecked and he's going up against the Soviets. He's just picking him up, he's having fun with it. So If the pressure was put on him, I don't know like Kukolinski has pressure on him 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know the other thing about it too there's been Times where he's been ambushed as well. Oh, oh for sure, yeah, and like he's stayed calm, like did everything he could, just to stay like Not overwhelmed or anything like that.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he's been overrun. I mean, I think the obvious answer is the right death. It's just like I want to give Kukolinski some credit, but yeah, but no, kukolinski's like a fucking monster though he's savage. But it's just. It's just a different.
Speaker 3:I will okay, so I will say Kukolinski is a different type of monster is is more of a savage. He's more of a monster, but I I do agree.
Speaker 1:At the end of the day, I think the white death is more fishing, like almost every aspect he's way more ruthless, like he will get the job done, like Kukolinski, probably out fucking doing a bunch of coke and like sending all this money to strip club. Right, I care about my family.
Speaker 2:And then again, like you cannot mess up when you're a fucking sniper like one, like one little, one little thing, one little small movement, and then like you could just be fucking hurt. You know what I mean one little small.
Speaker 1:You can't fuck up as a mob either. You can't exactly.
Speaker 2:You can't fuck up either, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean there's more wiggle room for, you know, I'm sure, a contract killer, for sure I'm sure. Then there is like a you know, a fucking sniper in the middle of a war, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I definitely give it to white, I agree with this.
Speaker 3:I agree with this fight. I think. I think white death and honorably take it, you know.
Speaker 1:He's. He's definitely one of the great in the force.
Speaker 2:You know the force to fucking go up against like snipers, dude and shit.
Speaker 3:We keep. I will say, though, that I feel like Kukolinski, like Against, like Mirko Kocrop or like any of these other guys, like Fucking he would not the floor with.
Speaker 1:I don't know about Mirko, I don't think so.
Speaker 3:Because, like the thing is, but I just mean like his size alone is just got to be so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kuklinski isn't. He's close, but he's not a warrior, you know, like Mirko. Yeah, and that's a good point. White death it's. These are, these are true warriors. It's like what we talked about last episode too.
Speaker 2:Like you can throw as many punches as you want, but if they're not precise and where you're gonna be striking, you're really not gonna do that much damage. You know, I mean like you'll do damage, but you won't do like that, winning, fucking, like KO, like you need to be precise.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I guess that is it. That's a good point because I have seen, like you know, like quote 300 pound guys fighting guys that are like half their size. But the guys that are half their size know what they're doing.
Speaker 1:No way, they're like, we're just trying and they're cut yeah they're cut as shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, it's like Dude. Yeah it's. Yeah, that's the biggest, if you're not in shape.
Speaker 2:It's gonna boil down to that, if anything, right boiled in a stamina because, like, here's the thing there was. There was this uh, I remember this interview with Bruce Lee. Uh, they pretty much talked about like, oh, if you, muhammad Ali fought, like who would win? And he was like, oh, fucking Muhammad Ali all day because he said that. He said, even though I'm faster, even though I'm more conditioned, he said Muhammad Ali has Thousand times more strength than I do, and he would hit me once In, like the way his technique is, I would be done.
Speaker 3:Well, also he was.
Speaker 2:Muhammad Ali too, was like liquid as well, like he could, he could flow and he was fluid as shit, dude, fluid as shit, which is kind of which is even surprising for Bruce Lee to say like, because Bruce Lee, that's to me, bruce Lee, he's like, bruce Lee is like the old.
Speaker 3:He was like what he was like he was like he was like five, two and like 150 pounds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's five, two hundred and fifty two. Let me see, oh, how how much. How tall is Bruce Lee? I feel like he was at least five.
Speaker 1:He wasn't very big, but I know he was Five six. He's five six.
Speaker 2:Five, six. Yeah, I know, I think his weight was like what? 160, no he was. He was five eight 141, but he was ripped shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was like pure muscle, basically.
Speaker 2:He ate steak, liver, shrimp, chicken and beef on a daily basis. I mean, yeah, that's not a terrible.
Speaker 1:No, that's not delicious. Wait Shrimp lit like just straight meat all day.
Speaker 2:No, but Bruce Lee ate a vegetarian diet for spiritual reasons during short periods.
Speaker 3:But he did, was he Buddhist. Uh, I think, so I know buddhas don't like, don't enjoy, like killing animals or something like that, but I don't know if you directly. I said that.
Speaker 2:Bruce Lee would usually consume four or five smaller meals a day, rather than a couple of large meals plus some healthy snacks such as fruit. Consuming large amounts of food at a time Great as didn't like everything.
Speaker 3:That's how you're supposed to eat, yeah, anyway, so we're getting off track with all that. But, yep, uh, bruce Lee, I would actually be a great choice if we do this for another, for another segment. Another. No, no, I mean not back to back, but yeah, that's what we turn the show into, just like. Oh, who would win this fight?
Speaker 1:Superman vs Goku.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're just turning it like a pokemon type podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna call.
Speaker 3:Simo, yeah, okay, cool. So it's episode three. The white death takes it and moving on to the next round, and yeah, so he just fucking, he fucking. Who takes? I think, uh, clint ski in the fucking head.
Speaker 1:Richard took it.
Speaker 3:He did. I mean, the white death takes the wind is what I meant. Okay, but then cook Quincy took it in the ass.
Speaker 1:More or less?
Speaker 3:or whatever. More or less Sure. All right, anyway. So that is the end of this episode. We will, I guess, see you guys on the next fight. As always, you can message Xander on instagram. He loves it. He should spam him with those messages. But otherwise you can follow us at secret silo show at gmailcom or email us at that. But the instagram is the same thing secret silo show.
Speaker 2:He's into just to fuck other women.
Speaker 3:All right, fuckers, we'll see you for the next fight.
Speaker 2:You.