Season 5 Episode 4: The Word on Coaching

Get ready for some laughs and some learning.

This episode features the one and only Cynthia Murray. A native of Charlottesville, Virginia, Cynthia is an attorney and former senior business management professional at Northrop Grumman, a major Fortune 500 company in the global defense industry. Cynthia is also the president and CEO of Divine Women of Destiny Ministries International. Cynthia Murray is the founder and CEO of Cynthia Murray Enterprises, LLC (CME). Cynthia received her Bachelor of Arts from the University of Virginia and a Juris Doctorate from the University of Virginia School of Law.

In our conversation with Cynthia, we focus on goals and goals setting. We explore the importance of goal setting and keeping your commitments to your goals. Cynthia shares her wisdom on slowing down and taking time to gain an honest perspective.

She also shares some hilarious and personal stories about how she used goal setting and disciple to achieve some of her goals and dreams.

We hope you enjoy this episode.

Check out our best-selling book The Word on Coaching released on June 14, 2022.

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JoAnn: 0:11

Hello everyone. This is the Word on Coaching podcast. I'm Joanne, and I'm here today with my two colleagues, Debbie and Kevin. You guys wanna say hello? Hello

Cynthia: 0:22

everybody.

Kevin: 0:23

Hello

Cynthia: 0:24

everybody.

JoAnn: 0:24

And we are coaches three. Three friends with years of leadership and coaching experience who want to share our passion with others. Our podcasts are for leaders, whether you have a formal title or not, because we know there's a lot of folks out there leading without a title. And we want you to know that we have you. We want you to know that we care about you, that we're here to support you. We focus on one word that relates to leadership and coaching, and the reason we do is because we know leadership is hard. So us along with our guests, give you tips, information, hopefully a fresh perspective, but always a lot of. And today I'm extremely excited to welcome not only a wonderful coach, but a very good friend. Cynthia Murray and Cynthia and I have known each other. I was counting up since 20 plus years. That's, I believe it. Kinda scary, believe I didn't realize that until I really started thinking about it. And I referred to Cynthia, not only as my friend, but she is, I referred her as a coach and an entrepreneur. Extraord. She is always cooking up something She's got something going on all the time. And one of the first times I met Cynthia and we were talking about what we do and she says, Oh, she says, I, I'm a prosecuting attorney for the city. And I went, Oh. And she's like, and she had just come off this big case and I'm. Oh, I'm really impressed. So not only is she an attorney, she's been a prosecuting attorney, a defense attorney, Law and con contract attorney worked for huge organizations, but this lady also speaks four to five languages. I forget, she's just an amazing person. So Cynthia, we are extremely honored and excited to have you here. And just tell us a little bit, I, what I have said is just the tip of the iceberg folks. So Cynthia, just share what you want to share with our

Cynthia: 2:35

audience. Well, first and foremost, I want to say to you, Joanne, Debbie and Kevin, thank you so much for inviting me to come on and to be a part of this amazing effort that you all are doing this, this wonderful podcast that you are presenting out to the community. I'm thrilled by it, and I know. That it's going to be just such a benefit to leaders and coaches out there. So I, I'm glad I applaud you, and I'm super happy to be a part of it. Joanne, when you say it's been more than 20 years or so, I go, Wow, wow, wow. And I believe it. The years are flying. And you know, I'm seeing kids that I used to babysit and now be grown and have their own kids. And I'm like, What's this? What is going on here? But with the passage of time, hopefully comes a little bit of wisdom and experience as well. And so, you know, my leadership journey started back when yes, I was a prosecuting. Actually for Almar County, I was the first black prosecutor for that county, which has a, that has special meaning for me as an African American female to just, you know, blaze that trail in a state and a place where we had some challenge. But to be able to say, Hey, we're still making ground and doing good things is something that I'm super, super happy about. So as a prosecutor, I would say that that's where I really started picking up this concept about leadership is vital, leadership is important transparency, integrity, accountability, and those things in the community. really were highlighted to me as being necessary things. So I was a prosecuting attorney, rose up through those ranks for about 11 and a half years or so, and then I transitioned into corporate America because I felt like I didn't wanna be pigeon. Into just prosecuting it is a very, you know, very narrow kind of focus. And so I knew that I had more to offer and more to learn, more importantly, so I went into corporate America and worked for a military defense company called Northrop Grumman. And that is where I began to negotiate, draft and manage international contracts with Navys around the world, who are our allies of. and I started to learn there. Leadership is vital. It is important. coaching people and being coached is important. And you know what Kevin, this is interesting. I always knew that I wanted to develop leaders and to coach people into being their best selves professionally. When I actually interviewed at Northrop Grumman, I told them, Yeah, I'm not gonna be here forever. I might give you three to five years. And I said, Because I, I wanna be a coach. I wanna develop leader. And so I didn't know how that was going to be received in an interview setting. I mean, maybe I just shot myself in the foot, but guess what? I was honest. and Debbie, honesty is right up there in terms of my core values, honesty and transparency, because I really wanna win-win situation, Whatever I. So lo and behold, they said, Yes, we'll take you. And so I started on that journey and then I knew after I had gotten the education on the job that I needed, that it was time to transition out into leading coaching and training. So that's what I did. In October of 2013, I turned in my badge at 11:59 PM walked out the door and. What the heck did I just do? you can't turn back. You heard the door click behind you. And I drove home and sat in the driveway and I said, Girl, you gotta do it now because you're your own rainmaker. And so that's when I hung out my shingle. Joanne, you mentioned I was am still a practicing attorney, defense attorney just finished a term as a substitute judge after six. And now I have my company, Cynthia Murray Enterprises, where I develop leaders around the globe in churches, militaries, and I also coach executives just like you guys do, So that's my story and I'm sticking to it, hopefully for many years.

JoAnn: 7:32

Wow. And, and, and guys, I can tell you that's only the tip of the iceberg. What this lady has done and is continues to do. You know, when Cynthia and I were talking about what word we were going to select, and I was sharing with her some of the words that some of our other guests had picked, and she was looking down the list of words. She said, Well, I probably should go with goals and goal setting, and then I. Of course she's gonna go with goal and goal setting. She's the author of a book that, by the way, is about goal setting. The title is The Power of a Plan, 10 Keys. There it is. 10 Keys to Achieving Your Goals and Winning. And by the way, I have that book. So after we after she said, Well, how about this? I was like, Of course. So that is our word for today is goals. And our goal

Cynthia: 8:26

setting.

Kevin: 8:27

Well, considering all the things that you've done, Cynthia, that makes a lot of sense and I'll have to go out and find where I can buy that book after this podcast is over. So why, why don't you tell us a little bit about what inspired or what triggered you to, to write your.

Cynthia: 8:48

Sure. Kevin. You know, as I was saying, at the beginning of my professional career as a young person I quickly identified things that were important to me., I started developing or realizing maybe as a better word, core values, and as a young prosecuting attorney. Who was responsible for prosecuting a lot of high profile crimes rape, robbery, murder, home invasions, double homicides. It became very apparent to me that it was important that I was a leader in the community. And that there were certain skills that I needed to develop in order to be a good leader because, you know, sometimes we are thrust into leadership positions, but we don't necessarily have the leadership skills developed in us. Yeah. I was very blessed to have had some people who took me under their wing and helped to develop me judges. My supervisor at the time aunts and uncles parents and people who wanted to see me succeed and knew that I wanted to succeed. So then once I started developing these core principles, leadership and civils in order to become a better leader, I said, You know what? Share this with people. I should share the things that I have learned. The good, the bad, the ugly, the easy the, I wanna win the towel challenges so that the people who read this book don't have as hard as as I had it. Does that make sense? And that makes

Kevin: 10:36

a lot of sense. So go ahead and give us a shameless plug for your book. Tell us the title, tell people where they can get it. Go right ahead.

Cynthia: 10:45

Thanks so much, Kevin. Yeah, so the book is entitled The Power of a Plan, 10 Keys to Achieving Your Goals and Winning. And. I did not have the foresight at the time to put it on Amazon and, and Barnes and Noble. It is self-published and it can be purchased on my website, which is great. C murray enterprises.com. And so, you know, I do recommend it, not just because I wrote it and because I wanted to be profitable, but because I really am passionate about helping people to discover. What it is they really wanna do in life. You know, there's nothing worse than going to a job that you work from nine to five or whatever hours you wanna put in there that you're not happy at and that you're not successful at. I get it that sometimes we have to have jobs that just simply pay the bills and help us to, you know, provide for ourselves and our families to be responsible citizens. I understand that, but I think those kinds of jobs should be short lived. It's for a specific financial goal to help you get to what it is you really want to do. So that's pretty much why I wrote the book and. There are 10 keys in here that I believe will help people to identify what they wanna do in life and then utilize other keys to help them get there. Thank you. I

Debby: 12:21

love that, Cynthia, and I love when you said you wanted to share how to do what you wanted to share your experience and your knowledge with other people. I think that says a lot about you personally. And you know, a lot of times we start with the goal, right? That's how, that's where we have our starting place. So as coaches, we do that a lot. We talk about let's set some goals, and then let's figure out how to move you towards those goals. Share with us a little bit of how do you help people do that? How do you help them identify, you know, what's needed to get them to the outcomes that they're looking for?

Cynthia: 12:53

One of the things we talk about, Is, what are you passionate about? Because I'm a firm believer that your passion pushes you. You know, those are the things that we do. As volunteers, many times the things that we do without any remuneration whatsoever, and I ask people to talk about or write down those things so I can kind of get a pulse as to what it is they enjoy doing, what it is that they'll wake up early and go to bed late working on right. So many times, Debbie, those are things. We are not gainfully employed at, and that's okay too. But I help people to identify those things. The next step is I help them to identify the why behind what they're doing now and what they want to do in the future. Because I have found that if you don't. An authentic purpose behind what it is that you're doing, you will burn out. You can only do it for so long without purpose, and you think about the person. Maybe sitting in a big leather chair with a nice glass table and a mahogany all around sitting there saying, What am I doing here? I'm miserable. And it, at some point has very little to do with the money that you are receiving. If you're not getting personal pleasure, enjoyment, fulfillment, and purpose, the money. Not be enough at some point. And then thirdly, Debbie, to answer your question, when I coach people, I also try to get to the root of what things drain them. So right at the positive side, we talk about what things motivate you, what things push you, what things energize you. But I also am interested in what drains you to see. We can possibly tweak those things, ameliorate them, or in some cases get rid of them. Yeah, I love

Debby: 15:23

that the, I think that's something that a lot of people don't realize is to take notice of what and who gives them energy and what, and who steals your energy. I think that's huge and that can really help you make some big

Cynthia: 15:36

decisions. Absolutely it can, but it takes intentionality, right? We have to slow down and Joanne gets on me about this. She's so gentle and so kind and such a mother. You know, she's, she's a mentor to me. By the way, just so everybody knows, Joanne is a mentor to me. Someone to whom I look up and aspire to be like, And she tells me, Have you slowed down? Are you still going on roller skates? You know, mock five with your hair on fire, Um, We have to slow down enough. Let me just say that cuz we're all doing that. Kevin and Debbie and Joanne and I, we are all productive people. We don't let a lot of grass grow under our feet. That's why we are successful as we are. There is an extreme to that and I find that when we don't slow down enough to just pause purposefully and think about what we're doing, where we've been and where we want to go, it, it can Eva us. It can, it can just go right, right by and elude us and we will not be able to achieve the things that are really important to us. Cause we just haven't taken the time to evaluate.

Debby: 17:02

Absolutely. And I think Joanne's a little nicer to you, Cynthia.

Cynthia: 17:06

Ha ha ha, oh. Well, I know she has, Well, some people,

JoAnn: 17:10

you have to be blunt with and I'm getting close with Cynthia

Cynthia: 17:17

Yes, she's, she. But it's so, so good. Well, well,

JoAnn: 17:22

you know, I. We all struggle at some point, and I know that people that I work with struggle with staying focused on their goals. Yes ma'am. And so what are, what are some some typical ways that people get stuck or lose their focus? And this next question I'm asking for friend how do you help folks refocus and stay focused?

Cynthia: 17:50

I think

Kevin: 17:50

I'm that friend.

Cynthia: 17:57

No names Kevin So this is not Kevin's situation, but I will say that this is a common. A lot of times it is financial. We all have to be wary of it because it's a go, It's a carrot, right? It's a golden carrot out in front of us. Sometimes things look financially lucrative, but they are not the right next step for us, and so I think that is very common. You know, in my profession as an attorney and doctors use this too, there is a syndrome called the golden handcuffs, which you have probably heard of that, where you get a great job because it pays, you know, six figures and bonuses and all of this, but you don't have time to enjoy life, or it's not quite really what you wanted to do. It's just a big paycheck. And I don't have a problem with people being financially successful. I think that's wonderful. But not at the expense of your fulfillment and your happiness. Right? So I think that the, one of the main things that causes people to get stuck is finance, finances, money. How do you get unstuck? One thing that I encourage my clients to do, and I, and I really harp on this in the book as the name of the book would suggest, is Have a plan and write it down. Write down that plan. It can be as sophisticated as a business plan or as informal as a journal I've done. And I find that when you write those things down, it is a literal map and it helps you to go back to original purposes and thoughts and goals so that when something comes along, Now, I talked about money, but it could be something else. It could be a relationship. It could be a desire to please a spouse or parents, or to outdo a sibling. Motives matter. Motives matter, and when you have a written plan, it helps to be able to go back and look at and say, Okay, what am I doing? One of the things that I talk about in the book with regard to a written plan is the fact that challenges are gonna come, they're inevitable. You're gonna hit a roadblock, an obstacle, something that makes you say, You know what? I don't, I'm not gonna do this anymore. I'm not going to pursue this goal. But when you're able to go back and look at motives and purpose and why it can help you say, You know what? That is still what I wanna do and I'm going to bash on despite this obstacle. I am going to forgo this opportunity because it is not going to further my plan. And I'll just say this and then, and then stop. So you all could ask other questions or dig a little deeper. Personally, I had opportu. With big dollars at the end of them, and they were really tempting to take, but I had to say, Wait a second, I can't do that because that position is not going to take me where I want to go. So I'm gonna have to respectfully decline that even though there's a lot of money attached to that because it's not where I want to go. And so I encourage people to look at opportunities, especially career. Is it a stepping stone to where you want to go or is it a stopping point? Maybe you've reached what you want to do and you don't need to take the next promotion or the big step. You're, you're happy where you are. That's great. Well,

Kevin: 22:14

thanks for sharing that and having that plan. Cynthia, I'd like to know, I'd like for you to share with us one of your biggest or most significant accomplishments and how you use goal setting to achieve that objective or outcome or dream, whatever it might be.

Cynthia: 22:32

That's a great question. So one of my big goals was being debt. And living on cash. And I started and I stopped and I started and I stopped. And, you know, you, I would achieve it. And then seven months later, be back in debt again. I was like, Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is going on here? And I had to implement the, a lot of the keys in my own book writing down. What I wanted to do was very helpful, and in that case, you know, you're, you're writing down numbers. I had to do the math and there's a chapter in, in the book called Count the Cost, You know, do the math. And when you sit down and look at a financial goal, it helps to be able to figure out how much you need to do, how much can you pay for a given number of years, or. So that you can focus on, okay, if I wanna dedicate this amount of money to this goal, that means I can't go online vacation this year down the road. Maybe I'll be able to do that, but it's not helping me to do that right now. And it helped me to be able to reign in impulse buy. You know, I just wanna be transparent because especially in the economic times in which we are right now, help, hopefully this will help someone. I had to really just make decisions and choices about spending and what was in my budget that I maybe needed to cut out what were things that were non-negotiable and that kind of thing. So I am happy to say, I was able to achieve that goal and sustain it. Now, I, I wanna be, again, totally honest and transparent. I'm talking about consumer debt. I still have a mortgage on my home. I'm working toward that and have that as the next big goal. That's a pretty big one, but it's doable. And when you write things down and do the math, you say, Oh wait, a. I can do this and it gives you hope. you know, that you can, you can come out of that. So that, I would say Kevin is one that I was very pleased with a pretty big goal for me. Yeah, you're

Kevin: 25:11

right. It comes down to making choices. And like you said, sometimes you have to stay home and drink Hawaiian Punch instead of trying to go to Hawaii when you can't

Cynthia: 25:21

afford. You have to say that when I was just taking a sip of coffee, I'm so glad that go all over this. Yes, it does. It's, you know, I like nice things. It who doesn't? Sometimes you just have to make choices. Can I tell you a really hilarious story very quickly. So, toward my debt, my goal of becoming debt free, one time in my car this was several years ago and I was driving a luxury car and the, the, the motorized window thing broke in the down position. And so I was like, Oh gosh, I know that's gonna cost a lot of money. You get the estimate and yep. Mm-hmm. sure enough, that thing costs a lot of money. You, you wouldn't think so, but it did. And so I had just made this commitment to myself that it was only going to use cash. It's either cash or it's not gonna get bought or purchased. So I was like, Well, I don't have the cash, so I'm not gonna put this on a credit card. I am going to tape the window up now. How rid, That's right. Debbie laughed because everybody else did. I'm sure. Who drives a luxury car with like duct tape, duct tape the window in the up position. I, I do. I did. I did because I had just made a commitment and I said, This is so embarrassing. It's borderline humiliating, but I just made a. And if I'm going to keep commitments, because guess what? Something's always going to happen to cause you to try to break your commitment. And I was like, It's embarrassing, but I'm going to do this. And I did it. It didn't take long. I saved up the money script and scraped, got the cash, and I paid for it with. And I also worked with a, a particular mechanic that was willing to let me pay in installments too. And so this is just a very free nugget right now. this is a Chick-fil-A fat nugget. Okay, Everything's negotiable. Everything's negotiable. I, I even negotiate things at retail stores. Absolutely. And many times I get what I'm asking for So I just want you to know that as you all are in, you know, making financial goals, everything's negotiable. I love how

Debby: 28:02

you, you kept your eye on your goal, right? You kept that your focus. And so when you, and I love how you read your book. your own book to help yourself. When you were reading your book were you like, Oh, that's Cynthia Murray is so smart.

Cynthia: 28:14

No, that is not what was saying at all. I was like, Where the heck is I back to my book and I'm like, Oh my gosh. I have another book that deals with, it's called Surviving and Thriving During Life's Biggest Challenges. I often go back to the chapter on spring, which has to do with being in a new season. No matter what age you are, you're starting a new project, you're a new relationship, whatever it is, there are gonna be bumps and challenges and you're gonna say, Why did I do this? I need to go back to where I was before. And, No, no, no, no, no. It's all right. This is normal. Hang in there. This too shall pass. And so yeah, I go back to my own. With humility. Not, Oh, Cynthia Murray's so fantastic or smart. What in the world did, Where was that that I said about how to get through this season? Make it out on the other side. So is

Debby: 29:16

Cynthia. I work with a lot of people that will come with many goals, right? They'll be like, I have, I have so many things I wanna. But, but where they really get stuck is how, where to start, right? Like, I just need to start, I need to take that first step to get me started, but I don't know what that is or how to do that. So what would be your advice, if there's one thing that someone has a, has many goals, so many things they wanna achieve, what's the the one thing that they can do today to get started?

Cynthia: 29:44

Well, like I said, I'm a big proponent of writing things. It's the lawyer in me, It's, it's the planner in me. And it doesn't have to be that sophisticated. Rip out a sheet of paper and, you know, write, write down, prioritize the things that you wanna do, start thinking about the pros and cons, and then shameless plugs. Since Kevin gave me permission to do it, I would really recommend this book you know, it has things in here. My book, it. People can do. Define your purpose. That's the first thing. Examine your motives. Catch the vision. I talk about visualization. What will it look like? When, what will it look like if determine who will be affected by your decision? Your husband, your wife, your children, you know, school decisions. Are they gonna be homeschooled? Are we gonna take'em out of private school? Are we gonna put them in? Create a dream team, and I won't go through all of them, but that's just one. You know, figure out who are your biggest supporters and then talk to them about your goals and get them to buy in with you as well. So I would say those are the things that someone could do right now. Rip out a blank sheet of paper and just start writing it down. Old school. Pen. Paper. And look. And meditate on it. You know, that would be the best advice that I would.

JoAnn: 31:21

Uh, You always have good advice, Cynthia. And you know actually Cynthia, you have research behind you the about writing things down, how powerful that is. I was listening to the speaker just not, not too long ago, talking about what we're talking about. How do you make things happen, right? How do you achieve your goals? And he talked about it from the perspective of using all your senses, you know? And he said the more senses that you can put in the, the more likely it's gonna happen. He talked about the importance of writing down, because that requires, you know, an activity, you use your sense of your sight. You know, you're talking yourself through it, you know, and you're talking about it and hearing. So you've got research behind you showed, but that's very important. People who write things down, Wow, are going to be more successful. So

Cynthia: 32:15

that's great. I believe it 100%. Absolutely.

JoAnn: 32:20

Well, we're coming to a close, and Cynthia, this has been a delight. We could talk another hour to you. May I have a permission to invite

Cynthia: 32:27

you again? Absolutely. I would be thrilled to come back and be. Amazing trio. Kidding me,

JoAnn: 32:37

We really appreciate it. But before we let you go we always ask our guests three questions. And so with that, we promise they're not too hard. Okay. Um, The first question, I might know the answer to this first one, but what is a book that you think a leader, coach should.

Cynthia: 32:57

I know you know the answer to this first one. I, I'm gonna give two because you know the answer to the, the one I'm gonna give one is Good To Great by Jim Collins. I think that's a fantastic book. It's an easy read and it would really be beneficial to help people understand how to lead well how to lead teams. You know, coaches by definition are leaders. So I think that that's a very good book to read that I would highly recommend. The second one is probably no surprise to any of the three of you. I would say the Bible because they're just so, it is replete with quality leadership examples, what to do and what not to do. And I just jotted down a couple of them. These are names that people would know even if they did not follow the Christian faith or the, or Jewish faith. Abraham, we've all heard of Abraham. Abraham led with conviction, with faith, with vision. He had to hear instructions and be able to visualize. Where it was that he was going to lead his tribe that would later become Israel. And so I would also say Moses was an amazing leader who led with purpose. He led his people of course out of slavery in Egypt. And he had to do that with a great sense of purpose and cause. For the deliverance of an enslaved and oppressed people. And in many ways, you know, even a modern day kind of Moses would be like a Dr. Martin Luther King, for example. Right? Right. It's not a literal slavery, but an ideological one. David had to lead with confidence and courage. We all know, again, even people that do not ascribe to the Juda or Christian. We've even assimilated this David and Goliath into our common secular vernacular. Everybody knows David and Goliath. David's a little guy. Goliath is the big mean giant. And David led his people, albeit what he did in that particular battle was himself alone, but still he had to have confidence in his own abilities. He knew what he could do with that little slingshot and five stones because he had done it before as a little shepherd boy out in the field protecting the sheep from lions and bears and wild animals, and he had to lead with confidence. Confidence in his God that he was on the right side of this battle. You know, he was justified by the actions that he was going to. Then another one who people might not be as familiar with is Queen Esther. Queen Ster was a Jewish girl who was an orphan, didn't have a particular pedigree, background, you know, or anything special that would call her out. But she really did have leadership qualities that blossomed once she was chosen to be the Queen of Persia. And she led by s. The, the leadership that she did to protect her people from annihilation, from this anti-Semitic person was, she said, I'm going to take these actions even if it costs my own life. And so I think that that's important as well. And then finally Jesus who led by compassion, He also led by example. He train. And he had a succession plan, He told people, Hey, I'm outta here, so this is what I need you to do. Once I'm gone, keep it going, guys. Don't give up. You're gonna be do greater than I did. You're gonna do more things in the earth than I did. But I'm leaving and going back up to my father in heaven, but I wanna see you finish the race. So I would say for leaders, that is a book that is quinte. To read and learn from great stories of the Bible. Yes,

JoAnn: 37:19

I think we would all agree. So what question have you been asked that gave you pause, that made you think a little diff differently or maybe a little deeper? What is one

Cynthia: 37:31

question? I would say it was Kevin's question to me about, you know, what was the goal? That I was most pleased with or proud of, or that I wanted to talk about. And the reason might surprise you. The reason why that question gave me a little bit of pause is because there's still goals that I have not yet achieved. I think that that is important to let people know. You know, we write books and, and as you all have written an amazing book and we do podcasts and we train and we teach, but we've not yet completely arrived, right? We're still on this journey. We're still climbing up the rough side of the mountain on some of the coal that we have. And so I say that with all humility. Cause while I. Achieved a lot of goals. I'm still working on some others and people like you. Encourage me, you inspire me, you motivate me to continue working on the other goals that I have. I've achieved many, but there's still mountains yet to conquer.

Kevin: 38:53

That's wonderful. So

JoAnn: 38:56

final question. I know we talked about goal, it was a word that you really resonated with you. Is there another word that you would say is your word on coaching?

Cynthia: 39:06

Yes. I would say for coaching. It's a phrase more than a word. Is that okay or it's not okay. That's whatever you say. I would say honest introspection. Honest introspection. You know, if we're not honest with ourselves, then we're not gonna get very far. We have to be honest. The things that we're good at. A lot of people don't recognize that they're so self-pacing and so down on themselves that they can't even think of things that they're good at. That's one of the questions that I ask my clients. Okay. I want you to write down three to five things that you're really good at, and they struggle many times because of the low self confidence. Then on the other hand, you have people, and sometimes it's within each of us, that we're not honest with the things that we're struggling with, you know, And it's important to realize, hey, I'm not, I'm not hitting all cylinders in this area of my life, whether it's relationship or. or finances, or spiritual walk, whatever it may be. You know, we need to be honest with ourselves to say, Hey, I can do better here, and then we can really work together and get somewhere. Great.

Kevin: 40:36

Thank you so much, Cynthia. I've enjoyed this conversation, the time. Oh,

Cynthia: 40:42

thank you Kevin

Kevin: 40:44

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