Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues
Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues
The Holy Instant | Wisdom Dialogues @ Ajijic, Mexico | August 25, 2025
What if nothing could ever go wrong in your life? What if every challenging experience—betrayal, loss, conflict—was perfectly orchestrated for your awakening? In this profound exploration of mind and perception, Hope Johnson invites us to recognize that the foundation of every thought is love, though fear often distorts our recognition of this truth.
Hope shares personal stories that illuminate how we unknowingly assign "special functions" to others in our relationships, creating suffering when they don't fulfill our expectations. Through vulnerable examples from her own marriage and intimate relationships, she demonstrates how releasing these expectations transforms our connections and brings us into alignment with joy. Rather than seeing ourselves as victims of others' behaviors, we can recognize how we're projecting our fears and limitations.
One of the most liberating insights Hope offers is that no one is affected by their past—because there is no past. All trauma is being projected right now, in this moment. This recognition frees us from using past experiences as justification for current pain and opens us to the "holy instant"—a moment of perfect clarity where illusions dissolve and we experience the ecstasy of truth.
The conversation takes fascinating turns into how our bodies are merely projections of thought, not actually affected by food, aging, or past events. Hope challenges common spiritual misconceptions, particularly the idea that spiritual advancement means denying natural human experiences like sexuality or pleasure. Instead, she suggests allowing the Holy Spirit to orchestrate all aspects of our lives without judgment or control.
Whether you're struggling with relationship conflicts, physical limitations, or simply feeling stuck in patterns that don't serve you, this wisdom dialogue offers a radical reframe: everything is being orchestrated for your awakening. Listen closely, and you might just discover a deeper peace than you've known before.
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Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope Johnson coming to you from Ajijic, mexico for the last time, at least for a little while, won't be back till at least November next year, so I'm super happy for everyone who's joining. Thank you so much. Let's join in a moment of silence and gratitude. Thank you to everyone who's joining, whether right now online or listening later to a podcast or watching a video later. Thank you for your willingness to see clearly, to have more joy, let's say, to remember your joy, to see past all the clouds of confusion and see one another and ourselves. Truly, yay, and thank you to Jesus for guiding this. So much love.
Speaker 1:I seem to be live on Substack right now, although I can't see you guys, so so, hmm, maybe it'll show up at a certain time here on my screen. If you want to communicate with me, go on Zoom. Oh, I love you, thank you. Oh, there it is, I see you now. So if you want to communicate with me on Substack, just go ahead and write a message in there and I'll see you. If you're on Zoom and you want to speak with me, raise your hand or go right into the chat. I'll see you there.
Speaker 1:So, yay, so everything, every thought that we have, actually comes from love. It can't come from anything else. Love is the foundation of our mind, right? It only turns into something else because of fear interfering, and that's not recognizing that the cause is always love, the foundation. That's seeming like we need some form of protection. Okay, so then we try to protect ourselves basically from love. The whole cause is always that.
Speaker 1:So, let's say, we have an experience where it seems like something has gone wrong, so then what we try to do is protect ourselves from having the same experience again, instead of allowing the experience itself to be reinterpreted. Okay, one example, as a friend that was sharing with me yesterday said that he was married and when he was married, his wife cheated on him with a friend, and so then his mind moves to try to protect him from having the same experience again, to try to avoid that experience instead of allowing it to be reinterpreted. See, I've seen this a lot. It's been coming up in my perception people who thinking that they're bad at something, they're bad at love, they're bad at being in the relationship, so then they decide for themselves that they're going to protect themselves from that kind of situation. See, that's not allowing everything to be orchestrated by the spirit. If you just allow it to be orchestrated by the spirit and not taking things as personal, any pain that you experience will be reinterpreted for you. So you don't have to try to avoid experiences. It's just looking at it as why does this actually hurt me? That I'm getting the experience that someone is cheating on me. It's all meant to show you something right. It's all meant to show you like where are your attachments? Where are your attachments in love? Where are your attachments? Where are your attachments in love?
Speaker 1:For myself, I had an experience after I had been married for many years Maybe it was about 10 years. I got this sense like I was afraid that my husband was going to cheat on me, and I had a conversation with the Spirit and I asked for a different interpretation. I didn't want to be a victim. I didn't want to be a victim. I didn't want to be a victim of the world. So the Spirit showed me through dreaming, in a nighttime dream, that that wasn't threatening at all. It may be the end of our relating, but it would be more like thank you, it's more, everything's more directional. More like thank you, it's more, everything's more directional. Like whatever people seem to do, whatever they seem to project or anything, if it's not joyful for you, it's more directional. Oh, okay, I've learned what I needed to learn through that particular form of relating. And now it's moving on.
Speaker 1:When you're not making a person special and you know this bears definitely a definition what does it mean to make a person special? That means that you gave them a special function. So, from the Holy Spirit's perspective, everyone has a function and it's the same function. It's forgiveness. Your function is forgiveness of your illusions as the light of the world. Over time, everyone learns that their function is to forgive illusions. So when we give a person a special function, we're saying that they're supposed to be a certain way just for us. And that's where the pain comes from right. It's not keeping it open, it's not being like open to however these bodies are orchestrated. They're actually being orchestrated for everyone's best interest. For everyone's best interest, the Holy Spirit has maximal benefit in mind in the way all of these things are orchestrated. So the only way we ever come to tears we're just hurting ourselves because we're making an interpretation that's not true.
Speaker 1:Making someone special means giving them a special function for us in our lives, and this is especially true and it comes into focus very clearly when you're talking about a parent-child relationship. Many times parents put a special function on the child like you're supposed to number one, behave as in, do everything I tell you to do. You're supposed to do well in school, you're supposed to do your homework, you're supposed to eat all your food or whatever that is, and that causes conflict. You know, the child ends up internalizing this sense. Like they're supposed to perform for the world. We're not really meant to do that. We're meant to be the light of the world, meaning bringing everything to forgiveness, forgiving our illusions.
Speaker 1:Now, at the same time, no one is affected by their past, no one. We use this often as if it's the way our parents raised us, like this is an excuse or some justification for the way I'm acting now. It's the way my parents did something and I have trauma. Let's say, well, there's no trauma in the past because there's no past. All trauma is being projected right now. And see, this is a cop-out for the mind. The ego loves this. The ego loves to go back and relive trauma and see if we can somehow heal it in that way, when the only time is now. So the reinterpretation that needs to take place is right now.
Speaker 1:It's in recognizing that you need a different view on what you're making real, the Holy Spirit's view right now on what you're making real and true to you, and then, being not affected by the past, you're able to just say thank you. That's why that dream I had of my husband it was very vivid. I usually don't remember dreams like this, but this was just such a relief for me. It just felt like such a relief. And I noticed our relationship changed too, because, while I was afraid that he might find someone else and leave me, our relationship had a certain kind of strain on it as well. So once I saw that, oh, in the event that he wants to engage in a sexual manner with another woman, that wouldn't be a bad thing, it looked like to me in that dream. It would just be the end of that form of our relationship. It wouldn't be making him wrong or bad, it would be more like thank you, you know, thank you for the wonderful time we spent together. And and now this is a redirection for me it means moving in a different direction. Right In the same way, I recently had a lover and there was this manipulation behavior that was being played out, and I noticed it for a little while, but I didn't really hone in on it, like say, holy Spirit, look at this with me.
Speaker 1:This doesn't feel joyful to me, right? Because I knew in the back of my mind that once I did it it was going to be the end of the relating and I just had a really fun time in other ways. I was like ooh, juicy and good, you know. And then at some point I said, okay, holy Spirit, look at this with me. And there was like this manipulative energy happening and I had outgrown that, like in my consciousness. I had just outgrown it. So it wasn't a way of making it wrong, it's just like this is what I noticed and this is what I expressed to him too. This is what I noticed.
Speaker 1:Here's the different ways that you're using manipulation, and I'm not saying that, you know, I'm not shutting the door on relating with you. I'm just saying that I'm listening to the spirit and I'm noticing what resonates with me and what feels good to me, right? So then at that point he looked at it too and he goes you know what? I'm just going to back away from this right now, because I, I need to do some work on myself, basically, so, uh, so it's like, oh, okay, you know, that's perfect, that's always perfect for all of us, you know.
Speaker 1:And noticing that the fear was within myself, uh, that I didn't want to lose the form of relating, I didn't want to lose the form of relating that seemed to feel good and felt like I wanted that, you know. But seeing that, oh, this is actually perfect because I've outgrown that way, I've outgrown, I've outgrown that way, I've outgrown being in relating like that. So what it does is it allows you to relate in a very honest way, right, and not trying to cover things up. It allows you to see, truly, like, what is in alignment with your joy, and everything that's being orchestrated is orchestrated to bring you greater joy. The desire for God, which is irresistible in everyone. It's irresistible. We try to resist it for a time and we make ourselves upset and we make ourselves seeming to go through many hardships because we're trying to resist the desire for God. There's this pull toward God and that's a joyful pull. It's opening us up to more and more joy in ourselves and, by extension, through our relating. We stop trying to control how things are going and just let them play themselves out.
Speaker 1:I've long talked about just having an open hand, almost like an open hand allowing people to come and just kind of like dance through your experience in whatever way they do, and being in a real playful, light way, and not going deep in the ego sense. Okay, here's going deep in the ego sense. This is what it looks like. I need you to be like this for me. Okay, when you show up like this, it makes me sad. That's not true. That's manipulation. Okay, when, when, when, you're not available to me in this way, it makes me cry. That's not true. That's actually. That's actually manipulation.
Speaker 1:It's not bad, and you know, if you're relating with me and you reflect to me like that, I may call you out on that. You know not in a mean way, I would just let you know hey, you know what that's manipulation, right, and it's likely that if you're not ready to shift, we may not be interacting right. Or, let's say, you expect me to live up to some kind of expectation that you have. You may find that we're not interacting because I don't play like that. There's plenty of people who will play like that, so it's like. Once we recognize, though, what that is, and it may take a long time to recognize it. But once we recognize what that is, we're not take a long time to recognize it. But once we recognize what that is, we're not available for that kind of game anymore.
Speaker 1:And it's not about making anyone wrong. We may perceive narcissistic behavior, we may perceive gaslighting, we may perceive immaturity or controlling behavior, but it's not a matter of making anyone wrong about it. It's just recognizing this is behavior that doesn't resonate with me, and I'm listening in an energetic way. In an energetic way that means within the body's energy field, because we could feel what kind of play resonates with joyfulness, in as much as we can open up for in this moment. How much joy are we allowing for ourselves?
Speaker 1:That's the thing, and without fear of being alone. There's no alone. You're never, ever alone. There's no alone. You're never, ever alone. Okay, the Holy Spirit is totally with us all the time.
Speaker 1:There's no being alone, but the sense of loneliness, again, that's a projection, that's a distortion. Every thought, the foundation of every thought, is perfect love, but this is us trying to protect ourselves from love by projecting that we're lonely because we're alone. The way the Holy Spirit presents that to me is enjoy the times when there doesn't seem to be another body around. Having another body around doesn't make you not alone. It's still the same.
Speaker 1:All the bodies that seem to be around are only projected, and we're projecting them in a way that's distorted. They're all projected in a way that's distorted. They're all projected in a way that's distorted. Look, one way you can tell is you don't perceive them as the beam of light that they are. They seem to be on a body, somewhere on a trajectory between birth and death. That's how we know we're not perceiving truly and we want to perceive truly.
Speaker 1:The other thing is it's inevitable that we will perceive truly. That's part of the draw toward God, the desire for God. That's what's put in our mind and that's the only true desire. That's what's put in our mind and that's the only true desire. Anything that we seem to want, anyone that we seem to want, any behavior that we seem to want, that's all just distortion of the desire for God. So once we recognize that, we can enjoy these seeming desires and stay in service.
Speaker 1:What I mean by stay in service is be willing to do whatever the spirit would have you do in every moment, doing absolutely nothing for yourself, knowing that whenever you try to do anything for yourself, anything at all, that's not in service. It only leads to pain. So whenever we find ourselves in pain, it's unwillingness to be in service. Now, what that looks like in my life. People don't realize what it is. What is it to be in service? What is that right? Does it mean you're working in a soup kitchen? Well, it could right, but listen to the Holy Spirit's call. The Holy Spirit will inform me when to eat, what to eat, when to rest, how much to rest, when to exercise, how much to exercise, who to see, what to speak? Right, it's a mental listening. You're listening from within your mind.
Speaker 1:And when I say mental, there's two ways to look at mental. There's the mental that's all about worldly things, cause and effect in the world, right. And then there's the mental. That's all, it's all mental. There's a mental that's heart-based mental, that comes from feeling in the body sense. It's a visceral sense, it's not a mental sense. As far as evaluating cause and effect in the world, you know, when it's Holy Spirit, what should I eat, for instance? It's not basing it on past knowledge of what's nutritionally sound. It's not basing it on something like that. It's actually asking Holy Spirit what should I eat right now? Okay, and so you're listening within the body's energy field and not and not leaning to your own understanding.
Speaker 1:So Kai's asking a question is God out there? Well, there's no out there. Thank you for that question, kai. There's no out there. God is in my mind, so God is in. This is a lesson from A Course in Miracles, one of the lessons. The title is God is in everything I see because God is in my mind. So everything I see comes from me and God is in it because God is in my mind. That's what I'm talking about is the foundational thought is love. You can look at it like this God is synonymous with love. You can take any Bible verse or A Course in Miracles quote and you could substitute love anytime you see God there. Okay, it's not really a patriarchal thing, as it seems All right. So love is the foundation of my mind.
Speaker 1:I choose, when listening to the ego, to distort love, to make it mean something else. Now, cause and effect in the world is not one bit true. So take the idea you know like your spouse is cheating on you. Let's say that your spouse is cheating on you and you caught him with another partner and all of a sudden you feel all this turmoil. Ego's cause and effect would say that you feel the turmoil because you're perceiving the cheating. That's not true at all. It's the turmoil in the first place that made you number one.
Speaker 1:Give them a special function. What's the special function? They won't cheat on you. That's a special function. You don't know. People would ask me too. When I first got with my husband, people would ask me do you think he would ever cheat on you? And I go I don't know, if he did, that would probably be the end of the relating. But I'm not like, oh God, please don't, please don't, please don't. That would be the worst right. And it's similar to your let's say your kid. Oh, please, don't get bad grades. Or all the way to please don't do drugs. Or all the way to please don't commit suicide. That would be the worst right. That's all. Giving them a special function. Everyone's function is the same. Everyone's function is the same and that's to be the light of the world. In whatever way they be the light of the world and whatever way they're orchestrated. In your experience. That's given you so that you could be the light of the world, with that perception it's not avoiding any perception, it's actually with that perception, and it's such a blessing that nothing is outside of ourselves so we could take everything as it's meant to be.
Speaker 1:Okay, I had the perception recently it was so fun that I paid for these blocks for block therapy. People can do some block therapy and lots of people are interested in this compression therapy using blocks. And so I met a woodworker right next door to Namaste Village and I'm like hey, do you want to make these blocks? He doesn't speak any English, right? So I got the perception he was not making those blocks. After I gave him a deposit, I was like it seems like this dude is really not making the blocks. He knows I'm flying out of here and he's just telling me every day, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. And then it seemed like all these people really want blocks, they're loving the compression therapy and they really want some blocks. So I'm sharing with the people. Look, here's the deal If he doesn't come through, I'm going to give everyone their deposits back and then you guys can go to blocktherapycom and you can get the block therapy blocks and everything will be good, you know.
Speaker 1:So the reaction that I perceive from people is oh no, don't say anything like that. You know we're attached to the blocks. We want to get them from here because, for one, we know they're going to come, we don't have to get them in the mail, and for two, they're a way better deal because they're being made in Mexico. For two, they're way better deal because they're being made in Mexico. And so you know I go. Well, it's okay, we're not trying to control the illusion, we're not going to try to control anything. The way it goes, whatever way it goes, that's what we're using. That's how the Holy Spirit's orchestrating everything so that we can forgive our illusions. Nothing in the world can ever go wrong. And this is the freedom. It's knowing that nothing in the world can ever go wrong. It's such a blessing.
Speaker 1:And this doesn't mean that in the perception I'm just like oh, okay, whatever, in a way that's really passive. In the illusion it's not like that at all. It's eyes wide open, noticing different opportunities. So then this sweet Mexican man comes into my life who happens to be bilingual, and I just ask him hey, would you like to help me talk to this dude over here? And then he also does some block therapy with me. So he's like, hey, I want some of these blocks too. Give me that guy's number, I'll call him, I'll talk to him in Spanish, you know. So that seems to light a fire under the guy's ass and he just starts making the blocks. Seems to light a fire under the guy's ass and he just starts making the blocks and now it really looks like we're going to get these blocks today. You know, and that's how it is.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's not necessarily like it's going to go the way you think you want it to go, but it's always being orchestrated so that you can have these different interactions. And all these interactions are so blessed Me with a person who recently came into my life, alejandro, and then Alejandro and the block maker and me and all the people who are blocking, where it's all divinely orchestrated. You start looking at all the interactions as they are divinely orchestrated so that we can have these opportunities to bring our illusions to the truth and have holy instants with each other. Right, I love that. The holy instant is constantly unfolding and it's the only thing that's really unfolding, like all of our illusions, all of our perceptions of the world, all of our silly ideas of how things should go, and thoughts about our meaningless lives. They're not doing anything, it's nothing. The only thing that's real is the holy instant and that's this instant. That's where we bring our illusions to the truth and we perceive these divine interactions that we have together, and that is the greatest joy. That's what's constantly unfolding, until the veil of separation is lifted and all we do see of each other is this light, perfect light, and anything that's not seeing each other like that is simply an opportunity.
Speaker 1:Anyone who seems to be frustrating or seems to be bothering us, anything like that a sound right. Sometimes there's these cars that drive around here and they're very loud on their loudspeaker. I cannot tell what they're saying. I haven't learned that much Spanish, but it seems like they may be selling something from their car and maybe listing off what they are offering from their car and they don't mind. They have no filter on how loud they could possibly be.
Speaker 1:So I'll be doing recordings in here. I'll be recording voiceovers for you guys and bonus audios and stuff like that, and I'll just pause and I'll edit it out later. But I'll just pause and let that go through and I'll just notice. I'll turn my attention inward to see if there's any form of frustration or resistance and what that's like is in the body's energy field, especially in the core, there's a sense of pushing away, like I don't want this experience, and also a sense with the rib cage contracting inward, like I don't want this right. So in turning the eyes inward and asking that to be reinterpreted, that also is given over to the holy instant, which is just expanding and expanding, and Kalama says fuck, I love the holy instant. I'm telling you, me too, it is the ecstasy.
Speaker 1:One time, actually many times, my friend Christine, who's also on here, has said the truth is erotic and yes, it's like more so like more than anything else, because you know even all sense of eroticism that has to do with sex and everything like that. That's actually just like a symbol. It's a symbol. It's not real. It's a symbol of what it's like to be in the grace of God, to be in the holy instance. It's more beautiful than any kind of experience that you could have as an illusion, but it can be brought into any illusion too. So it's like. It's like the holy instant lights up the illusion and this comes from willingness. It's willingness to see.
Speaker 1:Now, in A Course in Miracles, jesus was talking about how Jesus was talking about how Aloha, alexia, I love you. Jesus was talking about how, at the time he channeled this, of course, in miracles, which was in the late 60s that there was only one person in the whole time, and the whole time there was only one person who had sex, wholly without the ego's interruption or the ego's interpretation. And basically the ego's interpretation is using it, using sex for personal gain, okay, using it to join. We don't join in that way. It's using it to kind of like to entrap another person, right, using it for personal pleasure. So it's like it's not saying he's never, saying it's a bad thing, but it's like this holy instant can be brought into anything and that's where you're totally released of trying to use anything for anything else but the Holy Spirit's purpose.
Speaker 1:And the Holy Spirit's purpose is to be a bridge back to sanity, back to, basically, we're not bodies. And the sense that we're not, you know, the sense that we are bodies, is what's blocking our minds. Joining, okay. Kai says I don't think the truth needs our thinking. Yes, that's right. Well, see, we don't have our own thoughts. While we're perceiving separation, while we're perceiving this world, we don't have our own thoughts. We've cut ourselves off from our own thoughts, and that's why Jesus gave us or God gave us, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a whole thought system.
Speaker 1:While we're perceiving in this world, we're actually listening to one thought system or the other. That's why we're making a choice which voice? We're making a choice between two voices. Which voice would we listen to? Would we listen to the Holy Spirit's voice, which is for our freedom, which is for our joy, or are we listening to the ego's voice that makes worldly cause and effect true? Because the ego only wants to cause us suffering and ultimately kill bodies. That's the ego's whole motive. So, noticing, we're always, always, always listening to one voice or the other, and we can tell by tuning in in our body's energy field exactly which voice we're listening to. If we're listening to the Holy Spirit, we feel happy, we feel joyful. Okay, if we're listening to the ego, we feel contracted.
Speaker 1:Now, this is going on all day long with all these different particulars of our life. Right, I'll get a sense, you know, just reflecting on, I'll get a sense. I'll be in the shower, right. Shower's a great place, you know, because you're just. You're just. You got the warm water and you're washing yourself. It's a great place to be aware of what's going on. Which thoughts are you listening to? And it just occurred to me oh, my goodness, what if that guy doesn't come through with the blocks? And when I see that it's an opportunity, I bring it over to the truth, I bring it to the Holy Spirit's thought system, which the Holy Spirit's thought system is basically telling me something like all of these experiences are being orchestrated perfectly, nothing's going to go wrong. And immediately visceral sense. It goes from a shutting down visceral sense to an expansive visceral sense. And that's what this looking does.
Speaker 1:It's not a matter of, you know, trying to make a spiritual self-image that never gets disturbed. That's what the ego is trying to do. It's trying to get you to believe that you're beyond the world already, even though you're perceiving a world. Well, you are always beyond the world. In truth, you're not in the world. The world is actually arising in your mind. You're certainly not in a body. It's not like you're going to be able to cut that thing open and you're going to somehow come out of it. Okay, it's actually. The body is in your own mind, but your vision is clouded as long as you're perceiving a body. So you want to have that holy instant. And what brings about the holy instant is your willingness to see the contrast between listening to the Holy Spirit's voice and listening to the ego's voice, and knowing which one you want, recognizing which one you want. That's what the contrast is for and that's what allows us to return to the holy instant again and again and again. Such a blessing.
Speaker 1:Kalama says you are getting good at verbally distinguishing the two voices the Holy Spirit voice and the world thought system. Yes, we're all doing that. We're all doing that. She says forgiveness is my playground. Yes, that's right. What a fun reflection. You know, it's like that's what you see when. That's what you see in me. That's what you are actually coming to within yourself. You're doing that within yourself. You know, uh, really, what, that's, what's going on. We're all mirrors. So it's like, yes, forgiveness is my playground.
Speaker 1:Is you're welcoming the sense of contraction? You're not pushing it away because you're not using it to depict the self-image. You know, I have one friend who's going God, I'm so bad. She's getting way better, by the way. God, I'm so bad at it. Why am I so bad at it? And I'm like smile at that. Even the idea that says I'm so, why am I not further along? Why am I so bad at it? That is the opportunity that becomes the opportunity.
Speaker 1:Look at that thought. That has to be listening to the ego. If it's a choice between two voices, how can that be the Holy Spirit's voice? The Holy Spirit wouldn't be saying God lamenting themselves, right? So that's showing you that that's an opportunity for you. Right now, you're not that voice. You bring it to the truth and the Holy Spirit will resolve it for you. Basically neutralize that thought. Now, the Holy Spirit is also an illusion. That's a really fun point too. People will go well, isn't that voice also an illusion? Yes, it is. It's an illusion given you because you made an illusion, which is the ego. You made the ego, and if you didn't have a voice that was basically the opposite of that, you would be stuck in the ego forever, which is a lot of people believe that they are.
Speaker 1:There's lots of forms of spirituality that believe that all there is, that all there is is this wheel of birth and death. We just keep on recycling. It's a wheel of birth and death, birth and death, birth and death. And that's exactly what it would be if we didn't have the Holy Spirit to bring us vertically. So the birth and death thing, that's exactly what it would be if we didn't have the Holy Spirit to bring us vertically. So the birth and death thing, it's like a spiral. It's going nowhere, nowhere, just going around and around and around. Yes, that's exactly what it's doing, but with the Holy Spirit neutralizing these thoughts, we are going vertical. So it's like even our experience of life and our experience of each other and our interactions becomes more playful and more joyful as we're going vertical.
Speaker 1:And in that vertical basically you can call it ascension there's going to be seeming times where you almost you get the sense that you fell backwards. It's like, wow, why is this bothering me so much? Why is this particular let's say from my experience, why is this relating with this particular person seeming so freaking delusional? Why do I seem to be so delusional in this particular one when it seems like I have come so far right? And the thing that really pulls me out of that kind of mindset is recognizing I'm not going backward at all. All I'm doing is perceiving corners of my subconscious that I've kept hidden, that I was afraid to look at before, and now these are being brought up to be seen in the light of truth.
Speaker 1:Would I continue to look on this as a special relationship, which we defined earlier? We said it would be giving someone a special function. Right, it would be giving someone a special function. Right, in this case, I gave this person a special function to be a certain level of spiritually aware right, to be a certain level of honest with himself and with me. Right, that's not the function that the Holy Spirit gives to anyone. That's not how it is right. Everyone is to be honored at wherever they are on their path, and also to see that, however I'm making this is not how I want to make it. I wanna see my brother, truly, I wanna honor his path, and so, as difficult as it was to look at it like that, I was inspired to keep looking at it like that so that I could come back into peace, a sense of peace, a sense of the holy instant, sooner rather than later. And what happens for me is just a deeper sense of joy, a deeper sense of awareness as I go through these different you could call them trials if you want learning opportunities. Right, you call them learning opportunities.
Speaker 1:Ego equals world thought system. Yes, that's right, the thought system about the world, the cause and effect. True cause is God. True effect is God's child or son, as A Course in Miracles puts it. A Course in Miracles says son, you could say child, you could say extension, it doesn't really matter. A Course in Miracles does not mean this in a patriarchal way. All right, it's just a matter. It's just a way of showing that this is a true extension, that there's no separation, that God is actually in our mind and God being in our mind created us to be self-aware, that's all.
Speaker 1:And in being created self-aware, we all got the perception. That's why we're projecting this world. We all got the perception that we were abandoned, that we were kicked out of heaven when we were created self-aware, because before that we were just one with God. Imagine it like this, because this is symbolic too, where everyone who comes into this world seems to come through a mother's womb. Yeah, you're one with the mother, right, you're one with the mother when you're in the womb and then when you're birthed, it's like you're kicked out and you know a newborn's baby's kind of like what the fuck, where am I? They start crying and stuff. That's symbolic of what it's like when God created us self-aware and in being created self-aware, it's actually a gift. That's actually a gift, right, but we're looking at it as not a gift and we're learning to see it differently. We're learning to see it truly as a gift.
Speaker 1:Okay, kai is saying what is our mind? Our mind is perfect love. Okay, so basically, the foundation is perfect love and that is thought it is. It is, it's thought, and the first manifestation of thought you could say is vibration, sound. Okay, so it's like this. There's this resonant sound when God created all of us as being self-aware. It's like this resonant sound. It's like one song being sung, and it's not the same if any part of it is missing. So each one of us being projected, projecting ourselves into this world, is actually coming back to our true sound. We've actually distorted the sound out of fear. It's not really distorted, though.
Speaker 1:Heaven has not changed one bit by our idea that we're separate. It's only our perception of ourselves that seems to have created a change, and that's why everyone gets the sense that they need to get better, that they need to be better, and that's not true at all. We're only perceiving ourselves as being separate or different in any kind of way, different from the way we were created. We're only perceiving ourselves that way. It's not a reality. So all that changes about ourselves is our perception. That's the only thing that needs to be changed, and you've probably heard that before. It goes through many different kinds of spiritual teachings. I've heard it. The only thing to shift is the perception, and that includes all perception of all suffering.
Speaker 1:I was hanging out with a friend earlier today and we were talking about the situation with the blocks and I told her I don't think that guy ever started on the blocks before. I had someone talk to him in Spanish who was a native Mexican. And she goes oh, that makes me so angry. And I go really, what is it about that? And she goes well, he didn't make those blocks for you. And I go well, you know, when I went over there and I interacted with him, I saw that he was just such a sweetie and he was, and it looked like he was probably going through something and I, you know, I felt compassion for him and and I mentioned to her that he's, you know, he's also been served with a seize and des assist order to stop making so much noise, you know.
Speaker 1:And so then the anger was shifted over to the people who gave the seasoned assist order and you know, and I go, oh well, you know, I see them as being innocent in the whole thing too, and there is just a sense like someone needed to be responsible, right. And what she was reflecting to me, that in making someone responsible and having some justification for anger, that this is compassion and this to the ego, this is compassion. This is true. Now, I didn't get into this with this friend of mine because she wanted to stay with that perception. So I just said, okay, I go, that's totally blessed. That's just honoring everyone wherever they are. It's just allowing them to be as they are and not needing to change anyone's perception, right.
Speaker 1:So then she asked me she's like do you still like me? And I go, of course I do. You're no different than anyone else. That seems to be in the world. That's, in my perception, right, giving me to love. It's like, however you reflect to me, that's perfect for me. That's giving me to love. It doesn't mean we have to be in agreement about how things are right. It's like for me being the light of the world. It's given me to extend love to anyone and so it's not getting into argument with anyone like, hey, you're not being loving enough. Anyone like, hey, you're not being loving enough, hey, you're holding on to this perception that someone must be guilty and you're using that as justification for feeling angry and you're making anger as if it's compassion. We didn't even get that far.
Speaker 1:Once I see a wall of resistance come up, of resistance come up, I just go into quiet. I go into quiet and go. Okay, that's blessed. There's no need to push anyone beyond what their defenses are saying. That's too much. Everyone is being guided by the Holy Spirit and correction of anyone's mind doesn't come from me. I'm not here to correct anyone's mind. That's not how it is. That's the Holy Spirit's function here, and the Holy Spirit knows how to gently bring everyone to the correction of their mind, which is what they actually want. Now, if people want to be in fights about stuff, they're going to find people to fight with. That doesn't need to be you, right. They don't need to be fighting with you. So, just like in letting those things pass and not trying to be anyone's teacher and letting it be your own lesson For me, I let it be your own lesson For me. I let it be my own lesson.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, there's my mind reflecting that someone must be guilty, right, reflecting that this is compassion to make someone wrong. Oh, I really don't like that, I'm angry about that. And I'm right in my anger, because this is how I be compassionate. Look at how the anger shifts from one thing to first, that guy. Oh, I'm angry because that guy didn't do his job and he's screwing you over and I like you. And then the anger shifts to those terrible people who are doing a seasoned assist on him. He's a Mexican, he should be able to do what he wants in his own country, and these are a bunch of foreigners saying I want it to be quiet. So you know, and it's like compassion sees that everyone is honored on whatever they seem to be going through. And then, you know, my friend even reflected to me and I thought it was so blessed that she reflected to me, taking it to another level, to the level of the people on Gaza.
Speaker 1:I don't know too much about this, I don't pay a bunch of attention to it, and not that it's right or wrong to pay attention to it, it just doesn't come into my sphere. It just doesn't come into my sphere. There's killing, apparently, and people dying over on Gaza, okay, so how can we best help them? That's the question. How can we best help them? Well, anger is suffering. So being angry in any way is not going to be helping them, because that's adding to the exact same energy Anger is.
Speaker 1:You can say anger is cause, death is the effect. Okay, sorrow is cause, death is the effect. Frustration is cause, death is the effect. These are causes in the illusion, okay. Truly, the only cause is God and the effect is you. Okay, but in an illusion. This is how cause and effect works.
Speaker 1:So, truly, how we can help them is being willing to recognize that everyone is actually projecting their dream. They're all powerful mind, even little babies they're not really little babies, they're all powerful mind and they're projecting their dream exactly as they need and everything's being orchestrated, even if it's war. Everything is being orchestrated exactly as it needs to be for everyone to learn what they need to learn so that they can change their mind about what their mind is for. When we change our mind about what our mind is for, we can only perceive beauty and gentleness in the world. Now, as long as I'm getting perceptions, even someone else telling me that there's war, right. As long as someone else is telling me that there's war in my imagination, I know that my mind is not purified. This is not a guilty thing for me. It's like hooray, I know.
Speaker 1:Opportunities are arising to undo the cause, basically the cause of death, to undo this. Not believing not just believing that death is an inevitable aspect of life. That's not true. That may be the perception. We seem to be on a trajectory between birth and death. It seems to be the lot of everyone who comes here that they will die at some point in time. But all that is only given us to see through, and our mind is so powerful that it will even shift this illusion to even be a deathless illusion before we perceive heaven again. Really, we're remembering our true nature and our true reality. This is a journey of remembrance. There's not even really time. It's just a journey of remembrance.
Speaker 1:The things in our subconscious mind are arising just so that we can bring these things to the Holy Spirit to be undone for us right. There's no thing in the world, there's no injustice in the world that hasn't already been corrected Already, meaning we're just replaying this thing over and over again. As soon as we dreamed ourselves to be separate. God went and played every single timeline, every single possibility, and everything ended in return to sanity. It's just our refusal to be released from the world. Once our mind is set to, I wouldn't keep this world. I don't want this. This world has nothing that can satisfy me in it. This isn't a suicidal thing. It's not about hurting your body in any way To the ego, it's like that. But once there's a decision, there's nothing in this world that can satisfy me, and it's a wholly sincere decision.
Speaker 1:You're not perceiving a world anymore and there's this idea that you're going to leave people behind. You're not. They're not really here either. It's already been done, it's already been accomplished. They're not really here either. It's already been done, it's already been accomplished. There's no suffering. That's really true. God already played it all out.
Speaker 1:So when the world is lifted from your sight, you actually see everyone else in their wholeness too. There's no one left in the world dying. That's a misperception. We're all having a misperception. So that's why, well you know, it says in A Course in Miracles how many does it take to save the whole world? One it's just you. Because then you see that nothing is happening. None of that stuff is happening. Creation hasn't been interrupted one bit. Everyone in the whole world is still with you in creation.
Speaker 1:So each one of us is really having a lonely dream. Our minds are totally joined in truth when we think about the world in any way. We think about cause and effect. We think about finances. We think about cause and effect. We think about finances. We think about our bodies. We think about our relationships in a way where we've given people special function. We're on a lonely dream. That's the part of our mind. It can't be shared, it can only be projected. That's the part of our mind that's just projected. The holy instant is in that shared part of our mind. It's in sinking into beneath all of the subconscious energy that's all about these fears and anxieties and memories of the past that didn't happen. Beneath all of that is a stratum of the mind that's just purely miraculous and that's where we join. That's where we truly join our minds. And that's the holy instant, because there's no projection there. It's actually joining and it's always available to us. And, of course, in miracles it talks about.
Speaker 1:If miracles aren't happening all the time in your life, something's gone wrong. You've been listening to basically been listening to the ego and you've been denying your true nature. That won't happen forever Because of that desire for God. The desire for God, the pull toward it. It's unavoidable, it's constantly drawing us, no matter how dark our perception is, no matter how much investment we've put into, let's say, being a good person. Right? There's this investment into being a good person and the way we believe that we're being a good person is that we're comparing ourselves to bad people. That's not the way to be. We should be more like this. We should be helping the needy, okay, for instance. Well, when we perceive anyone as being needy and we believe in that perception, that's already off track. That's not honoring someone, right? That's believing that we could be, let's say, better off than someone, and the world loves that. The world loves that kind of perception. Like, for instance, you're more privileged than certain people, so you should be doing something.
Speaker 1:It looks like someone's calling me. Hold on a second, okay, hold on a second. Let me see what's happening here. Someone's calling me from outside Aloha, oh, are you coming to the mic box? Okay, I'm in the middle of it right now. Why don't you go ahead? Yeah, thank you, john. Okay, yeah, I'm sorry, that's all good, that's just my friend. Yeah, that's all good, that's just my friend. Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1:Apparently, someone wanted to come to my talk. They were outside. Yeah, everything goes awesome. Yay, thank you for being here. Yeah, come on in, have a seat, august, how fun. Yeah, have a seat. Yeah, anywhere, anywhere that feels comfortable to you. Yeah, I saw him walking around outside, but I didn't know he was here for this.
Speaker 1:So we were just talking about how everything always goes perfect, right, all the bodies are. All the bodies are orchestrated, so they're just perfect for everyone, right, so, uh, so there seems to be some kind of a uh, a disruption right now, cause someone was outside and they're looking to come in, and then even my landlord was saying my name from outside, right, and so then people are apologizing for it. So this is just, it's perfect, because it comes up and shows you. This is the perfect opportunity to see that everything's being orchestrated perfectly, for us to bring all of our illusions to the truth. And an illusion is like anything has gone wrong or it could go wrong, no matter how much it seems like oh, it should have been like this or it should have been like this, that's what it is, that's exactly what it is, and it's through the particulars of our lives we're constantly given opportunities. We may get the sense that you know we feel guilty. Maybe I should have done it differently, like this that's always what's giving you the opportunity because, truly, the peace of God has never been disturbed and it can never be disturbed and since you're an extension of God, your peace of God, your peace of mind, let's say, can never truly be disturbed, and that's really like seeing that is your doorway back into truth. That's like it's just giving you to be back into truth, be back into oh, that was a misperception that anything could have gone wrong at all. Right, so then you're welcoming. However, experiences unfold, you know like, for me, I'm welcoming anything as far as, as you know, it should have gone this way instead of pushing, all pushing. This is how you can perceive it. It's a visceral sense. You can sense it in your body's energy, actually as a pushing. It's like pushing away experience causes us actually to get the perception of aging and actually tightening up and our bodies being contracted because we're pushing away experience instead of being transparent and letting experience to just come through. Right, whatever it seems to be, it could be something that's really rattling. Let it rattle, let it rattle in the body, let it rattle you in the body's energy field and being open to see it differently, have a different interpretation, so you can come back to relaxation. That's the whole thing is coming back. It's coming back, okay.
Speaker 1:Kalama says is your body still going to stay in a new place at the end of August? Yes, apparently, I have a plane ticket and I'm flying away from this beautiful place Ah, he, he to Sedona, arizona. Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently. That's what's going on. How can I know? But it definitely looks like that. There's a plan to pack, apparently.
Speaker 1:And Kai says and pulling, okay, so I was just talking about a pushing, a sense of pushing something away. Good point, kai. And pulling, and trying to draw something in, trying to draw experiences in too right, it's like the ego always wants to experience more and more and more and better and better and better. The end of all this dreaming is looking. You know what? I don't need another experience. I don't actually need another experience for myself. Holy Spirit, what would you have me do? Where would you have me be? And you know, the call just becomes automatic. It just becomes really smooth. I mean, to me it looks like where I'm going to be, as far as location in the world, is totally planned out right now, until next November, right, all the way till next November.
Speaker 1:But really, how can I know, even with a plane ticket, even with the apparent planning? It's not like we're against planning. We're going to try not to plan right, but it's just being open to the flow, however it transpires. This could even be in planning a simple day, like I'm going to go to the bank and then I'm going to go to the store and then I'm going to go out to dinner, whatever. It is still being open to listening, see what happens is we get tunnel vision. It's like I have to do these things today. I have to get these things accomplished, instead of being in listening it's okay to have a plan and then also listening to the Holy Spirit to see if that's still the plan in every instant.
Speaker 1:Right, and not being stuck on it For myself. What really revealed this to me? You know I've always been a person who felt like I need to work out right, and started doing that when I was 14. Well, by the time I was in my 30s, the Holy Spirit said basically, it was a sense in my body's energy field, that that was done, at least for now, because I had something to learn. I actually spent four years not having any workouts and just going. Okay, it's a way of purifying this sense like I need to do something for myself, I need to get something for myself, I need to get, let's say, a fit body for myself. Right, and just allowing things to be guided again. And so you know, through that, it showed me because I would have thoughts that would come up and say you know, you're too old to be doing this. Like, how are you going to come back from this? Like, how are you going to get it back, how are you going to get your mojo back, kind of thing. Right, and noticing those thoughts. And what I was doing was I was bringing those thoughts to the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1:What is the body for? But communication? It's only for communication. And if the communication, if the Holy Spirit's guiding me toward this right now, then that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to use my body only for communication. I'm not going to use it to try to get something for myself, not even a fit or healthy body. That's not my thing. The Holy Spirit, if I'm listening to the Holy Spirit. Here's one thing that I know If I'm listening to the Holy Spirit, my body will always seem to be it can't really be because it's not really here, but it'll seem to be vital because of listening to the Holy Spirit. That's what makes it, apparently healthy.
Speaker 1:You know, you could spend all this time trying to adopt the best diet, and people do this all the time. It's so funny to me because I've done it. That's what makes it funny. You know, because I've actually done it, I'm like, okay, I'm going to figure this out, I'm going to do all the research, I'm going to figure out what is the best thing to eat and the best workout to do so that I can have the best diet. So the other way, the other day, I'm cruising around, I find myself at a vegan restaurant vegan town, it's called such a sweet restaurant and I go there and I'm looking at the menu and there's a man in there and he's a really large man, apparently super big, and he goes are you vegan? I was like, when I'm in a vegan restaurant, I can be vegan, I can be anything, you know. And he goes oh well, I'm vegan. I was like, oh, that's awesome. And uh, and he goes. I'm not sure what the right diet is, though, because he goes. I know it's probably funny that I'm telling you I'm vegan. I'm like, oh really, why is that? And he goes, because I'm so big, and I go. Well, you know what my experience has been? That a lot of people who are big are vegan. That's been my experience. I've seen that a lot. And he's like, yeah, it's because we eat a lot of carbs and I go. Well, you know, I share with him.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know, your body's really only in your mind. You're not actually eating anything. It's really concepts that food can affect your body that's causing these kinds of disruptions. It's misunderstanding cause and effect. It's believing that food actually affects your body, and you know that was a belief that I had, very strong that. You know, food does affect your body, and if you believe that food affects your body, the stronger you believe it, the more you perceive it.
Speaker 1:You know, when I was super young, I had the perception that I had a slow metabolism and that I couldn't eat stuff that had too much fat in it, otherwise I was just going to be fat, and so that was my perception, you know, and I would even share with people, man, if I didn't watch my diet and I didn't do these hard workouts, I would just be huge, right. So that was my perception and that was the manifestation that was taking place. And at a point it was actually when I was 17, I was in a Costco, and you know how they have those free samples in Costco. If you know Costco, they have all those free samples, right. So I had it on my mind that I shouldn't be eating too much fat.
Speaker 1:But it occurred to me and this is the Holy Spirit thought occurring to me what if? And this is how it occurs too, it's a what if? Thought. What if all of the things that I enjoyed eating were totally good for me? And there was just a sense like, oh, what if my mind wouldn't allow me to really go toward that thought? For many years there was still all this working. But this is what I mean about the draw toward God, the draw toward sanity. That thought stayed there kind of in the back of my mind and there was always that what if, right? And so eventually that gained more momentum in my mind and it began to show me and even you know those years where it seemed like there were four years where I was guided I didn't know how long it was going to last Four years where I was actually guided not to work out.
Speaker 1:Not only not to work out, but to eat a lot of ice cream, right, and also to smoke. And not only to smoke, but to smoke with posture like this, just completely bent over like this, like an old person, smoking, you know, and getting the perception that, oh my gosh, you're ruining this body. But what was being shown to me? Gosh, you're ruining this body. But what was being shown to me? No, you're opening your mind. Because the whole time, what I'm doing is bringing thoughts, ego thoughts, to the truth, till there came a certain time where it's like, okay, it's time for this to shift, it's time for you to go into a different mode. Now the mode is changing. It's time for you to go into a different mode. Now the mode is changing and it's not like anything was permanent.
Speaker 1:It seems like you can do some permanent damage to your body, but you can't, because your body is only a projection To people. It seems like maybe they had some kind of an accident before and did some permanent damage like that. Or one of my friends is telling me he got an x-ray and the cartilage in his joints is worn out. It's like none of that stuff is permanent, because your body is only being projected right now by the mind. Your mind's projecting it. So when you're willing to bring allusions to the truth, even the projection, as in your body, changes, and it could change that.
Speaker 1:The only reason the body even seemed to pass away is because it was no longer useful to the Holy Spirit for communication, the Holy Spirit for communication. Now it could be laid aside in a number of different ways. It could be laid aside in a very peaceful way. Many people think that if death comes through old age it has to come by means of sickness or some kind of debilitation. But if you're listening to the Holy Spirit and your mind is more purified of guilt, it's laid aside gently. It's a gentle laying aside. There's no need for this thing to ever become diseased. There's no need for it to ever lose vitality. The loss of vitality is an effect of honoring guilt instead of truth. It's always an effect of that.
Speaker 1:You know, and you've seen examples before of even masters who are aware that this is dreaming, totally aware that this is dreaming right, and they have attained a certain level of peace with this being dreaming, yet their body seems to develop cancer or some kind of disease, right. And you know, someone asked me what's the reason for that, like, why are they developing this in the illusion? And it's because they are still harboring the belief that their mind isn't all powerful. They're harboring the belief that these illusions can just happen to them. Nothing just happens. We are making it, we're making it up, and the more we believe in the guilty self concept, the more we're attacking ourselves physically. Every attack is physical. Every self attack is physical, every self-attack is physical. So it's not a guilty thing that you're perceiving yourself with any kind of disease. It's an opportunity. And dis-ease any kind of dis-ease that includes any kind of thing that seems like you got into some kind of accident before, or you had some kind of surgery or you had some kind of trauma before, anything like that. That's dis-ease. So it's willingness to see that this sense of dis-ease something having happened to you in the past or something that you did to yourself in the past is something that you're projecting now because there's only now, and so that's why this becomes an opportunity.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Kalama says I get it trippy, I have experiences. Yes, it could be very trippy. The holy instance can definitely be trippy. A lot of the times it seems like a psychedelic kind of trip. Just welcome that. It only seems psychedelic because it's different from your normal way of looking at things, as in looking at things like cause and effect are true and these bodies are really here and they really hold some kind of substance. They're not really here, they're not made of anything, they are just a projection of thought, and that's precisely the reason why they can't be affected by the past. They cannot be affected by the past, even all aging that you're projecting onto yourself. You're only projecting it now. There's no such thing as time, and it's also the reason why it can't be affected by food. Your body cannot be affected by food because it's being projected. It's like thinking of it as a screen of consciousness, and your body is one illusion on the screen of consciousness. Food is another illusion on the screen of consciousness. If you're looking at a movie screen, it's not like the food can actually affect the body.
Speaker 1:Now, that doesn't mean that you're going to tempt the ego and go okay, whenever I eat gluten for some people you know they seem to eat gluten and get some kind of reaction where they puff up right. Every time I eat gluten I seem to get this puffy thing going. It doesn't mean you should tempt the ego and try to eat a bunch of gluten to try to prove that your body is an illusion, because what's going to happen is you're probably going to prove to yourself in your dream that your body is more real. The ego will just use that to show that. Look see, you tried to prove it and it's not really true. It's like look, just be kind to yourself and being kind to yourself, you'll find yourself not purposely eating gluten. But you may find where things are orchestrated, where, oh, maybe there's this gluten in something and you find out there was gluten in something and you see that you have a reaction. Then all you're going to do is deny any meaning to that. You're going to go.
Speaker 1:I see that there's this apparent reaction to eating gluten, but I know that it can't possibly be coming from the gluten. It must be coming from my mind. That's how you demonstrate it. It's within the seeming effects. You're recognizing that it's coming to your mind, from your mind, and this is what returns all power to your mind, which is all powerful to make these illusions.
Speaker 1:Kai says I think you lose people here. You know what. It's possible that I lose people in a lot of different areas, and you know I'm open to that. Okay, he says what happened he or she, I'm not sure what happened to cause and effect. Cause and effect. It's in place, it's always the same. The root cause is God and the effect is God's creation, which is you and I.
Speaker 1:In the illusion there's an illusory cause and effect that's happening and the base illusory cause and effect is miscreation and then pain. That's the root of the illusion. Miscreation equals pain. The cause and effect that we make real that's not really doing anything. Okay, the base cause and effect in the illusion is miscreation, pain. But the cause and effect that we make real in the illusion is illusions affecting other illusions. So we take it to another degree. That makes us keep the illusion real, hold the illusion out as if it's true.
Speaker 1:Okay, kai also asks what if our mind is temporary? Okay, our mind is not temporary. The ego mind is temporary, which you may be calling our mind, the ego mind, which is a thought system that's set up basically to cause sickness, illusions, death. That is a temporary illusion. So is the Holy Spirit, also temporary. But what's not temporary is our self, that God created to be self-aware. It has a starting point creation. We're created to be self-aware, but no end. That's not temporary. That's our true mind and our true thoughts are still creating in creation. Even while we're having this perception, there's not even any interruption in creation at all, though this is not really happening. It's like a wisp.
Speaker 1:One of the lessons in A Course in Miracles, one that we went over really recently, was only an instant does this world endure, and it doesn't affect creation at all. So our creation, our being created self-aware, that's in no way temporary. That's always, always, always and forever going to be, always, always, always and forever going to be. So it's just this illusion, this temporary illusion, that we're learning to see past. The whole thing is learning to see past so we could see our true creation once again and see each other as we truly are. It's to take all of this idea of this cause and effect in the world having any kind of control over us. So it's going back to God is the cause. What's God again, is love. It's perfect love and we are the effect.
Speaker 1:So our idea of this world is an effect of believing that we're not perfectly loved by God right now. That's what's going on. There's only God's love. So that has us looking in the world for special love. Isn't there just someone who will love me? Isn't there just someone who will love me the way I am and show me that I'm perfect, and show me that I'm good and all of that kind of stuff? Well, we don't really need that because we have God's love. But when we're looking for that in the world, it's like we turn our back towards God's love and feel very lonely.
Speaker 1:But once we're aware that there's nothing in this world that can satisfy us, there's a grieving period. That's what I noticed. There's like a grieving period over that. It's like oh, what I thought, what I made this world for to satisfy me in some way can never happen. It can never happen. There's no one. Because I made them up. I made them to be separate. I'm looking out at bodies, apparently, and expecting them to satisfy me. Now this switches everything around once I'm aware there's nothing here that can satisfy me. So now I'm using the world and my body very differently. Now I'm using it to embrace everything. Now I'm using it to extend the love of God, to bring peace, not to bring correction to anyone else's mind, but to allow my mind to be corrected so I could see them truly and embrace them with the love of God. And that's what shows me and lets me feel that I'm totally in grace. Everyone that I come into interaction with is always helping me, even if it seems like they're hurting me.
Speaker 1:So another question from Kai what if everything is temporary? It is, everything is temporary Totally. Look at, everything that you get a perception of in this world is passing away, and that's one thing that you learn through Vipassana meditation. You know, if you ever heard of Vipassana meditation, that's a retreat where you go for 10 days and you meditate in silence, without moving, for 10 hours of each of those days and for the rest of the time when you're not in meditation, you're in silence, you make no eye contact with anyone and you look down. You make no eye contact with anyone and you look down and the discourse that they're showing you through your experience is everything in this world arises and then it passes away again, and so you get to experience what's permanent. Your awareness is permanent and the interesting thing about this world too, beyond what we perceive. This goes along with the thought that God is in everything I see, because God is in my mind, right? So the permanent aspect of everything.
Speaker 1:It's made up of particles that are actually permanent, particles that we can't see you don't see them with the naked eye, but they're actually made up of permanent particles. These particles never die. They're permanent, they're part of creation and they're not something that can be defined by our science. Okay, they're not something that can be defined by our science, okay, but that's the God particles that everything is actually made of. We don't see that, we don't perceive that, but that's the light. They are vibrating with perfect love, just like the base of our mind is vibrating with perfect love, just like the base of our mind is vibrating with perfect love. So that's how everything that we perceive is actually perfect love, no matter what it looks like, even if it comes to you in the sense of someone angry or some kind of war, or some injured person, a person in poverty, anything like that. That's where everything is made of these particles. Everything at the base level is created with these particles that are perfect love, and when we vibrate at the same level of the perfect love, we actually have command, even over all form.
Speaker 1:It's just that our mind, trying to control it and try to make it as our own will, that's separate from the will of God we perceive things in a distorted way. To perceive anything as something that's temporary is actually to perceive it in a distorted way, because none of the true particles that are part of creation are temporary. They're all permanent. So here we're perceiving impermanence or we're perceiving impermanence. We're perceiving in a distorted way. We're perceiving impermanence, we're perceiving in a distorted way.
Speaker 1:So a lot of the spirituality that's being taught in this world is teaching us to be okay with everything being impermanent. That's only one part of the equation, though no one's really okay with that. There's a part of the mind that's pretending a bunch here, but pretending to be okay with impermanence. You're not going to be okay with impermanence until you're also aware of the power of your mind to see past impermanence. This is actually up to us to see the truth, and we're doing it every time we allow ourselves to be in the holy instance. That's where we're bringing our illusions to the truth. We're seeing past the apparent cause and effect and letting God be the cause, love be the cause and us being the effect.
Speaker 1:This takes, recognizing that in an illusion, miscreation or misinterpretation or misperception I'm using all those words to define the same thing is the cause of your pain, is the cause of your apparent broken body, is the cause of your tears, of your apparent broken body? Is the cause of your tears, right Anytime you find yourself crying? That's miscreation. That's not to say that you're bad and you shouldn't be crying. It's saying that there is another way of looking at this. This is an opportunity. This is a doorway to coming into this holy instant and sharing in the mind of God and sharing in a deeper peace than you've known before. For me, every sense of sorrow is an opportunity to come into a deeper peace than I've known before.
Speaker 1:So there's an aspect of myself that's like hooray, even if it seems like it's repetitive, I don't mind. Even if it seems like it's obsessive, the ego might go. Look, you're obsessing over this person, you're obsessing over this relationship. But a part of my mind is going hooray, hooray. What's the awareness that's viewing this obsessiveness? Look back toward the awareness that's viewing this obsessiveness and seeing it as an opportunity to return to what's true and also to bring my brother with me. Right and look at this thought. That's saying and look at this thought that's wishing some kind of condemnation for a brother Hooray. It's not a matter of looking at myself like I'm bad. I can't be that way. This sense that I'm getting, that I want something bad to happen for another person, is a misperception. I'm not bad about that.
Speaker 1:Likewise, I had a friend expressing to me yesterday. He was saying you know, I see everyone as the perfect love of God. I see everyone like this way. I don't want to use their bodies at all, but you know what I wish. And he was brought to tears about this. Right, I wish that other people would see me like this. So I expressed to him gently that you're saying that you perceive everyone as if they're the perfect love of God.
Speaker 1:But what you're showing me right now is you don't that you don't, because you're getting the perception that you want other people to be different. See, if you're perceiving them, if you're actually perceiving them as the perfect love of God, you're also not getting the perception that you want them to perceive you any different. The perception that you want them to perceive you any different. That's the thing. So you're getting tripped up right here and you're crying. You're crying is demonstrating that you're having a misperception. You're making a misinterpretation. That's totally the ego that's telling you that you're doing it right and you're suffering because other people aren't See. That's telling you that you're doing it right and you're suffering because other people aren't See. That's totally the ego telling you that it's wishing that other people would be more aware. That's you making that misinterpretation. You're actually projecting them like that, actually projecting them like that.
Speaker 1:So we started to engage more and he was telling me how he wishes that women didn't want sex from him, because he doesn't see anything like that right. And so I go okay, well, let's look at that. You're seeing the women as being somehow attacking you because they want something that you seem to not be able to give. But in your not being able to give that, you're telling me that you've achieved some kind of high-level awareness where you lost that, because you've achieved a high-level awareness, because you've achieved a high level awareness. Now, if this were true, you wouldn't be feeling victimized by the women who seem to be demanding sex from you. This wouldn't be a thing. You would see them as wholly innocent and in the event that you were not resonating to that, you were not vibrating to that, it didn't seem like you wanted to engage in anything sexual. It would just be so simple to communicate with about that. You know, it's just like, it's just, it's just really simple. It's not as if they're victimizing you, it's not as if they're taking something away from you. So the sense is and I've heard this from a couple of different men, and thank you, thank you couple of different men and thank you, thank you, thanks you guys. I really appreciate you bringing this to my awareness too so that we can bring it out.
Speaker 1:I've heard from a couple of men saying that they feel victimized because they don't seem to be able to or want to, or whatever it is, give what the women seem to want. The women seem to want to extract this sexual energy from them and they don't seem able or willing to do that. So when this is seen as something that's a victim situation, that's your projection You're making it as if someone is victimizing you and that's the reason that you're crying about it. It's not because the world hasn't come up to your level of awareness. Also, using your body for communication means allowing the Holy Spirit to orchestrate it in whatever way. There's no right or wrong.
Speaker 1:So what I'm noticing is there's this sense of superiority by these men that are sharing this with me, as if they've gone past sex, you know, because Jesus has talked about in a course in miracles. He's not condemning sex, though. He's saying you got it wrong, you're using it for something that it's not meant to be for, right. He's not saying that you're supposed to be celibate. He's never said that, right? So there's this idea that gets hooked onto that. Okay, I'm a higher level, a better level, if I don't need to interact that way anymore. Right? And I've shared with you from my own perspective. You know, I have seen through this idea that I need a partner to give me sex. I've seen through that idea.
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean that I'm taking on some kind of persona now that says I'm celibate. It means I'm allowing the Holy Spirit to orchestrate it. However, it needs to be orchestrated, right, I'm just allowing. In the moment I'm not taking on some kind of identity that says now, I'm this and this means I'm holier than thou. Basically, Anytime, if I take an identity that says I'm holier than other people, you know what the effect of that is Crying. That's the effect. It's crying because people aren't living up to the same holiness that I made myself out to be right. So if I'll see them as truly equal with me, completely equal with me, whatever their path seems to be, if there's any kind of energy they're offering that I don't want to interact with, it's not making me upset.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying no thank you. See, people think no thank you looks like this no, no, it's wrong. Right, but it's like no, no, thank you is also a joyful thing. No, thank you, I'm not feeling that right now. I'm not interested in that right now. It's just really simple. It's joyful and it's playful. It's not like you're wrong for wanting. How could you want sex from me, don't you know? That's not evolved right. It's just like really sweet. It's like children. It's like children playing. Okay, I love you too, kai. Thank you so much for joining.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure I know who you are and you know I know who you are, but as far as interacting with you in the world. But I have an idea. So, yeah, reach out to me and let me know if you feel inspired to do that. So there's nothing wrong with any kind of expression. There's no expression that's wrong, nothing like that. So this is, you know, this may be helpful for you if you accept the help right now To those of you men you may be listening to me right now, those of you men who have expressed to me this kind of you know, this kind of demand, a demand of women on you to perform.
Speaker 1:You know, if you're getting that kind of perception, you're projecting it. That's all Recognizing that you're projecting it. No one has any kind of control over you like that. It's not like that, right, and I've gone through this kind of thing for myself, not like a demand for sex on me, but in my relationship with my husband there seemed to be a demand for me to be more responsible, right, just in life in general, just to be more responsible, to be a demand for me to be more responsible, right, just in life in general, just to be more responsible, to be more productive, to be more of something right. It's really the same thing, it's not any different. It's just a demand for you to be something right. So I'd get the sense that I'm doing it wrong and over time I started to see I was with the same person for 30 years, so that gave me a good opportunity to see some different things right.
Speaker 1:So after about 20 years of this, it took me a while. After about 20 years, it occurred to me oh my goodness, I'm making him like this, I'm making him like this, and then I'm resenting him, then I'm acting rebellious about it Because it seems like he's putting this on me, that I'm supposed to be more of an adult, basically Supposed to be more responsible. I should be working harder, I should be more productive, I shouldn't be laying around as much as I do that kind of thing. So I go oh my goodness, I'm totally making this up. So I go, I'm going to play with this. This is 20 years in and the next time he comes around I'm going to look at this in a way that's playful and I'm not going to be rebellious about it and I'm not going to be feeling bad about myself. So he comes up and he goes I'm laying around. I'm like you know, I'm just getting the sense that it's laying around. That's the goal for me today. It's just to lay around all day.
Speaker 1:So my husband comes in and he goes is that all you got today? Like you know, it was a sense of is this all I'm going to get out of you? Is this all you're going to contribute today to our household and everything like that, and I got the sense of shame to our household and everything like that. And I got the sense of shame. You know, I just let it come up, notice what wants to resist it and let myself be transparent to it. And I smiled up at him and I go yes, this is all I'm going to do today. And then I saw him shift His eyes. Everything changes. I saw him shift and he goes oh okay, can I get you anything? And I'm like, oh my goodness, for 20 years I've been pushing, I've been pushing at this. I've been making it as if he's demanding on me, as if for me to be loved in this relationship, I have to perform. I have to do some kind of performance. I've been making this up the whole time. And as soon as I just was okay within myself and I just said, yes, this is what I'm doing today, he said, oh, pretty much. What can I do to support what you want to do today? And that's where it shifted.
Speaker 1:And and you know, there were more shifts to take place because there were some things that were a stronger hold on me, like the idea that I spent too much money. That was like a stronger hold. On my mind it wasn't him, there's no him, there's no person on the outside of us. So in my mind, I was being condemned for spending too much money. I was threatening our safety, my safety, his safety, my family's safety, by spending too much money. That was the perception.
Speaker 1:A little bit longer to work out, not a little bit, you know, maybe like eight years or something like that. Yeah, so it yeah, and. But you know what? In the scheme of things, it's not that long. I mean, we've been playing out these lifetimes millions of times and the same ones over and over again until we go okay, I'm going to take a look at this, right, so it seems long, but in the scheme of things, it's not that long, right, so I'm going along. I'm going okay. I know from experience. You know there's nothing I can do about it, because I've tried throughout to spend less money. I go okay, I'm going to be really financially responsible and I'm going to spend less money so I don't put our family in danger. That's basically the sense. I'm going to put my family in danger because I spend too much over at Nordstrom on clothes, right? So I'm going to do better Every time.
Speaker 1:I did that. It would be an effect where I'd find myself spending more All of a sudden. I needed something so bad, I just had to. And you know that's the thing that it taught me about illusions. We don't have any power over this as far as like how we're going to interact in the field. Our power is totally in the creativity of the mind when it comes to what we're going to do in the field. That's an effect of our choice between love and fear. So what I was doing was choosing fear by trying to control myself at the behavior level. See, by trying to control myself at the behavior level, I was getting the perception that I was in fact putting myself and my family in danger and I was totally out of control. I had an addiction to spending. That was the perspective. It was like I had this addiction to spending and it was totally out of control. And the more I tried to control it, the more it seemed to be out of control. So at some point I go okay, I got to stop trying to work at this on the level of effect. And that's for any kind of addiction.
Speaker 1:You guys, if you have addiction to heroin, addiction to eating, addiction to sex, addiction to what else? Drinking? That's another thing. Alcoholic that I see. None of these addictions are actually true. The addiction is actually thinking against yourself. The addiction is actually to a fearful thought. Look at the alcoholic the more you try to control the alcoholism, the more you seem to drink. You guys get into these self-help programs where you do these 12 step things and you know what, for temporary, you're controlling the outcome.
Speaker 1:Now look what happens with these guys too. What do they start doing? They start smoking a bunch of cigarettes and drinking a bunch of coffee. They just shift it to something right. They just shift it to another addiction, because the addiction is actually in the mind, it's mental. So I go okay, I'm just going to let the spending just be what it is and I'm going to choose love. I'm going to just keep on choosing love. And that's how it actually got shown.
Speaker 1:Okay, my husband would come up to me and he'd go you have. At one point he goes you have ruined my whole life, you have ruined everything. He thought we had more money than we did and apparently it was my spending that made it, so that we didn't have as much money and my money management made it, so we didn't have as much money, and then the lava came and ran over our house and we didn't have insurance either. So he's going you have completely ruined my life, right? And like I'm the worst person, he's coming up to me like that. So at this point, I'm really well-practiced at this, you know.
Speaker 1:So I'm going okay, this is my brother. He's coming to me with some suffering and I'm letting my whole body be transparent. So I'm feeling this energy, I'm feeling this and I'm saying thank you, thank you for bringing this to my attention, right. Thank you so much. Is there anything else that you want to share with me right now? Is there anything else that you want to share with me right now? And you know, I just felt it not as myself being guilty, not as myself actually threatening anything that was real, but as my mind, the fierce choice that I'd been making. Now it's manifesting like this, as someone basically accusing me again of threatening our lives, threatening our whole lives, right? So I'm understanding what's going on and I'm processing it within my body's energy field in a sense of gratitude for my brother for bringing this to my attention. So, you know, I let him know, I go. Okay, I'm going to leave for a little while to give you some space to be with this, right.
Speaker 1:So I left for a little while and then I came back several hours later and I was ready to go spend the night somewhere else if it still seemed like I was a threat, right. And when I returned he was like I never want to be like that with you. I love you so much. You are the most precious thing. I would go to bankruptcy with you, no problem, just to be staying with you. I don't know what came over me in that moment, moment. And so then that's when I realized, oh, okay, well, okay, awesome, well, we're still hanging out. Then, right, or still hanging out? If you're not seeing me as a threat, then we're still hanging out for the time being, you know.
Speaker 1:So a couple years go by and he comes up to me and he tells me hope, I really need you to spend less money. And I, I looked at him and I go honey, you know I don't have a choice in it, right, and he said, yes, I do. And there was a sense of just relief you know, from his perspective it's relief and knowing that nothing can be threatened. Nothing that I do is threatening anything, whatever I seem to be doing. Whatever I seem to be spending is actually coming from his mind, from his perspective. In his perspective, it's actually coming from his mind. That doesn't mean he's required or obligated to stay with me. You know. He can move on when his mind is ready for moving on.
Speaker 1:We really have no choice in the field, in what we seem to do, though, or who we seem to be with, because it's being orchestrated. The choice we have is between love and fear, so this, you know, in my mind isn't just giving me license to just be like oh yeah, I'm just going to fucking buy whatever I want, anything like that. It's actually making it so that I'm able to listen more and more and more. Holy Spirit, what is the most beneficial that I spend my money on right? Putting it on myself to try to develop a budget Not saying develop a budget is bad, or anything, but putting it on myself to try to make it look like, in the field of effects, that I'm not threatening everyone. So to see myself as non-threatening is what's going to change how the effects play out, and then the money spending seems to go to more of a balance. That's how it works. So that was the teaching that I was getting to see myself not as a threat, to see myself as perfectly innocent, and that's what all these lessons are being used for.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm wrapping up really soon, but I see one question here. I saw this with my son, like you, with your husband. I told you my makeup. Okay, I'm not sure where you're coming from on that, but, yeah, you might see in your child that they're threatening you somehow and this is how to have it reinterpreted. Notice that it's all coming from your own mind and so, since it's coming from your own mind, you have all power in that to see it differently. Ask the Holy Spirit to help you see it differently and you'll see over time that all of your interactions and all of your relationships will come into harmony and everything will be so beautiful.
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