Beyond Ego Forgiveness | Wisdom Dialogues, Sedona | September 15, 2025

What if you discovered that true forgiveness isn't about pardoning yourself for miscreating, but recognizing you never had the power to miscreate in the first place? This revelation forms the cornerstone of our exploration into what A Course in Miracles calls "miracles that collapse time."

During this raw, unfiltered conversation, we dive deep into the subtle yet profound difference between circular miracles—which provide temporary relief while maintaining the illusion of separation—and miracles that truly collapse time by establishing that we're simply dreaming a dream whose content isn't true.

The journey takes unexpected turns as we examine personal boundaries through a radical lens. Rather than viewing boundaries as self-protection mechanisms, what happens when we recognize they aren't personal at all but guided by the Holy Spirit? This perspective transforms how we navigate relationships, allowing for a level of trust and freedom that might seem impossible to the ego mind.

Perhaps most striking is the transparent exploration of how this understanding plays out in daily life—from food preferences to sexual experiences. By stripping away the heavy meaning and judgment the ego places on these aspects of human experience, we discover a natural sensuality and joy available in every moment.

The conversation continually returns to a powerful practice: watching the unwatched mind. When we develop the habit of witnessing thoughts without identifying with them, even seemingly distressing thoughts lose their power. This watchfulness reveals that whatever arises in our experience—pleasant or challenging—is perfectly designed for our awakening.

If you're ready to move beyond spiritual concepts into lived experience, this dialogue offers a refreshingly honest glimpse into what freedom from the ego's constraints actually looks like. Join us in exploring how transparency, trust, and true forgiveness open the door to a profound peace that transcends all circumstances.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Wisdom Dialogues
• 1:42 Circular Miracles vs. Time-Collapsing Miracles
• 12:40 The Role of True Forgiveness
• 20:30 Living Without Personal Boundaries
• 31:32 Trust and Energetic Relationships
• 42:52 The Truth About Food and Sensuality
• 55:27 Sex, Energy, and Liberation
• 1:06:58 Watching the Unwatched Mind
• 1:15:27 Perfect Role, Perfect Experience
• 1:52:10 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

live Yay Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope Johnson, coming to you from Sedona. Arizona Woo.

Speaker 1: 0:23

Yay, it's so fun to be here oh my gosh, it's always so fun to be with you guys. I've been having definitely having some realizations, insights. It seems like the realization, like the, the, like, the resonance of the of the realization, like I, I can sense it. I can sense what it is and don't know really how to articulate it, even to myself. So I'll have moments where I'm like, okay, I'm not really sure, do I really even know that this is a valid insight or am I just cruising around?

Speaker 1: 1:19

But you know, what I've learned is I can tell when there's some kind of dissonance, and I may not know exactly how to put my finger on it at the time, like how to, how to explain it, how to articulate what it is, um, but I could sense it and I'll just stay with it. I'll stay on it, I'll stay with it, I'll keep looking at it, okay. So, for instance, when I first got here, I started to notice something that was going on in the energy field, like of people who want to wake up really badly right, so much that they're going I'm almost there, I'm almost there, we're almost there, almost there, I'm almost there, we're almost there. The Galactic Council is saying that we're almost there. Pretty soon, some shit's going to go down and we're going to be there.

Speaker 1: 2:22

Right, so yeah, so I ended up having a a conversation with Thomas and it got really deep for me. I sent it. It got really deep for him. We've been really close so we can sense each other really well, so, anyways.

Speaker 1: 2:50

So I noticed that people are saying like they forgive themselves for making illusions. True, Like, for instance, I'll just give you, for instance, I forgive myself for trying to play small, or I forgive myself for thinking I was a bad person, thinking I was apart from God, let's say. So. There's this repeating and, oh my gosh, it just shot me back to where I was doing an ACIM meeting on I believe it was July 25th, and Jesus was talking about circular miracles and miracles that collapse time. Right, so there's a circular. Of course, you're always Jesus is always happy about every miracle that you do. So when you say something like it's not so much the words, it's not really the words at all. There's a sense, there's a coherence underneath it that decides whether it's a miracle that collapses time or a circular miracle in the way Jesus was talking about it. This was in chapter 2, section X, 10 in Roman numeral. In Roman numeral and paragraphs nine to 11, when we did that deep dive July 25th. If you want to look up the video, it was super impactful about how some miracles collapse time and mostly the miracles that they were doing.

Speaker 1: 4:40

He was talking to Helen and Bill at the time and he was saying you guys do not guard your mind as much as I would like you to Right. That's why you're always miscreating, Because you're not guarding your mind. So a true miracle coming from true forgiveness would actually say that you don't have the power to miscreate. You actually can't miscreate and that's what he's saying. As long as you believe that you have that kind of power and it's real, you're in circular miracles. As long as you believe that you can miscreate, you make illusions of miscreation. See why I'm kind of like this. It's like yeah.

Speaker 3: 5:47

Are you drunk in the circle?

Speaker 1: 5:52

it's just, it's amazing to me because it's like I forgot about that whole acim deep dive. I forgot the wording, I forgot everything like that. Then an example of this came up and I didn't really recognize that that's what it was relating to until today, and so I was kind of like whoa, wait a second, cause I forgot about that lesson. But then I see how it just comes back and goes oh, this is here's an example of what's going on here. You know, and when you get a load of people and and you know, it's like, like for me, I've seen for myself, uh, that, what, what forgiveness really is. And you know Jesus talks about in A Course in Miracles, uh, about how you have to learn forgiveness from the one who knows how to forgive right. See, we initially think we're a separate self that needs forgiveness, right, and of course in miracles even start speaking to that self.

Speaker 1: 6:57

In some of the earlier chapters, I think, or in some of the earlier lessons, I think it, or in some of the earlier lessons, I think, it starts, it stops around lesson 200, you know. So that's a circular miracle where you can get this. Uh, I forgive myself for miscreating. Basically, is what's happening there? I forgive myself for miscreating. Now, that's a circular miracle. It's not a bad miracle, it's not a good and bad thing. It's Jesus is saying he wants you to have that relief while you need that relief. It's just that starting and this is in chapter two of the text, so he's starting early on this to get this message across that ultimately, what you want is miracles that collapse time, and the miracle that collapses, collapses time, sees that you are not capable of miscreation in the first place. Right, so you go from, uh, from forgiveness, uh, kind of like as a forgiveness to destroy way, even when you first start out. Not that even this is right or wrong, not that this is even right or wrong. Forgiveness to destroy, that's the ego's way of forgiveness and that's how you know forgiveness, until you learn forgiveness from the one who knows how to forgive and you can say that's the Holy Spirit. How does the Holy Spirit look on everything? Look at how the Holy Spirit forgives. The Holy Spirit accepts that it's an illusion and accepts what the truth is. The Holy Spirit just accepts, wipes everything away, see. Wipes everything away, see. So there's a point in the learning and I get the sense that a lot of people you know, maybe you guys online, maybe people around here in Sedona who are in ACIM groups and stuff like that, are ready, certainly have studied enough, certainly have practiced enough of the kind of forgiveness that's circular, that keeps the little eye intact, who's capable of miscreation?

Speaker 1: 9:14

It just makes me laugh, you know, and that's the whole thing. The whole thing is we forgot to laugh. So it's like you can laugh at it. It's like, wow, this is just so funny. It's like repetitively, repeatedly forgiving that one that thinks it's capable of miscreation, and it's great because you actually get some relief out of it. Every miracle is awesome, some relief out of it. Every miracle is awesome.

Speaker 1: 9:49

But certain miracles collapse time and that's what you want. Once you're what you really want, what you really want to do. And here's what I see about the miracles that collapse time. Once you get into the knack of making that kind of miracle that collapses time because this is saying I'm not capable of doing this, like, for instance, you get the perception that you offended someone and you fucking recognize you're not capable of offending anyone. That's the kind of miracle that collapses time Because you're actually recognizing that you're dreaming.

Speaker 1: 10:19

Look at what a miracle does. It establishes that you're dreaming a dream and none of its content is true. That's actually what it's does. It establishes that you're dreaming a dream and none of its content is true. That's actually what it's doing. It's establishing that in your mind, right? So if you need to forgive yourself because you're not ready to accept what's actually the truth, recognize that. That'll help you, because no one's pushing you to, hey, do this really fast. That That'll help you, because no one's pushing you to, hey, do this really fast. You know, it's like. It's like I'm just bringing to the forefront what you want to know to do what you want to do, to actually do what you want to do, and do what A Course in Miracles is actually saying to do.

Speaker 1: 10:56

Right, because, because this is largely misunderstood and here's the thing about groups too. This is what I noticed about groups. And you know, when I learned A Course in Miracles, when I learned, when I took A Course in Miracles and everything, I did not join a fucking group until I was on it for like nine years. So I was getting the interpretation that was coming from spirit. That's what I wanted, that's what was available actually to me. There were no A Course in Miracles groups on the island of Hawaii. I wasn't looking for them too hard either because someone might be listening to me right now and go what are you fucking crazy? There was like 10 groups. Okay, well, to me there weren't Not that I knew of. And I wasn't looking that hard Because I got the word from spirit you're going to get this from spirit, you're going to get this teaching from spirit.

Speaker 1: 11:56

So I was sharing with my friend Thomas. You know, I was like I never did it that way. I never forgave myself. I never fucking did that. I never did it that way. I never forgave myself. I never fucking did that. And I was like I'm sure it doesn't say anywhere in A Course in Miracles to forgive yourself. And he's like, oh really. And I was like I seem pretty confident, don't I? And the thing is I don't even know the words to me don't matter. I just really did not take anything to mean that I should forgive myself for anything, because by the time I started taking A Course in Miracles in the first place, I already knew there was no self so who could be forgiven. So I went back and I looked in A Course in Miracles and yeah, it does say in a couple of different places about forgiving yourself, and then it even says forgive yourself for something. I'm like what the fuck? And I look at it and I go man, I did not take it that way and you know the thing is, it's not really meant that way.

Speaker 1: 13:02

What Jesus is saying is you got to learn how to forgive from the one who knows how to forgive. That's saying that the way we're conditioned in believing that we're a separate self, we don't know how to forgive. We're thinking there's someone actually there to forgive. There is no one. Look at in other places and, of course, in miracles. It says you're not capable of thinking apart from God. So if you're forgiving yourself for thinking apart from God, and meanwhile the lesson is you're not capable of thinking apart from God, what do you think is happening? That's circular, that's circular, see. So what we want to do is collapse time. And here's what I noticed about collapsing time Once you get the knack for it, you do it right, you do it right, you do it right. Yeah, that's how I experienced it. Hey, you finally fucking did forgiveness right. Jeez, how long did that take you?

Speaker 1: 14:13

Yes, I believe that that is a really good way to say it, because see the reason why it's coming to the word forgiveness and not acceptance, because the ego would hijack the word acceptance too. What does the word acceptance mean to the ego? It's like look at how the ego looks at it. It's all an energy. The ego is looking at it as oh I guess I know plenty of people like this. I guess I should just accept it because it's my. You know what I mean. So that's why we have these different ways of pointing to it, because you can see how each word, the ego I know you don't mean it like that- well, you know, it's acceptance that shadow and light is all part of the god's experience and there's no separation right, yes, yes, and and let's give it okay.

Speaker 1: 14:58

So what? So, what? What diana's saying, which is really awesome, the way's saying accept it as if it's shadow and light and it's all part of the plan and it's you know, yeah, that's true enough too. That's true enough. And at the same time, I would take the acceptance to another level too and go. It's acceptance because it's your fucking role, it's giving you a role, that's the role through which you extend love.

Speaker 1: 15:29

Okay, extending love is actually the evolution of forgiveness, because you recognize there's nothing at all to forgive. Let's say so. Then it's just extending love. So you need forgiveness, while there are illusions being taken as true To make that the kind of forgiveness that induces a miracle that collapses time. You want to forgive like this. I'm not capable of doing what I thought I did. I'm not capable of thinking what I thought I did. I'm not capable of thinking like I thought I thought. I'm not capable of thinking like that. I'm not capable of thinking against God. I'm only capable of thinking with God. So the thought that's true is that I wasn't capable of that other thought.

Speaker 3: 16:25

I wasn't capable of that other thought yeah, yeah, so, so.

Speaker 1: 16:30

So look at what you're, what you're saying. What you're saying light, light, that you know it's, it's shadow and light. They can't really fight. They're not in a fight, right? Because shadow and light, the shadow is a shadow of the light. Yeah, well, here. So here's where I would come in with that. So now Diana is sharing that they need each other. Okay, in an illusion, yes, yes, but the truth is, light doesn't need a shadow to be light, shadow needs light to be a shadow. You see what I'm saying, so, so, so look at.

Speaker 1: 17:15

So this kind of acceptance is accepting that in the illusion, in the manifestation, which is not a reality, you also have a unique role, which is also not a reality. But it's your unique role, where your function of forgiveness, which evolves to extending love, is applied to it. This is extended in time in the illusion through your unique role, and everyone's role is completely unique. Everyone's role and everyone's role is completely unique. Everyone's role, and basically, this is what you're imagining, that's your role, your role is what you're imagining, it's perfect as it is. I like to say it's perfectly helpful to you and for everyone involved, because when you're aware of its helpfulness to allowing you to serve your function. That's where you actually see the benefits of it and it becomes, I've been saying, like an offering, like a prayer. Right, this is my offering, whatever it is, whether it's some kind of a delusional thought or anything. Oh, substack, peeps, aloha, I love you. Thank you for joining. Hooray, yay, I see you. Oh, you listened more than three times to that one. Okay, she's talking about ACIM deep dive from July 25th, where we talked about circular and circular miracles and miracles at collapse time. She's asking if I'm okay and safe where I am in New Mexico. I'm actually in Sedona, arizona, and yes, I'm okay and safe, I'm always safe. It's funny, you know. It's like I'm always safe because I trust my brothers, who are one with me. Right, that's just how it is Right. So so I'm over here.

Speaker 1: 19:20

I was going to share this story too. This is really fun. So I'm over here, apparently in a one-bedroom apartment, with another person who happens to be a male. One bedroom, one bath. Okay, it's so funny because it's like I'm not used to this kind of living situation at all. It gives me opportunities for bringing things to the truth. I'm not used to this kind of living situation at all. It gives me opportunities for bringing things to the truth.

Speaker 1: 19:49

I'm not even going to say forgiveness, because I don't have a forgiveness thing. It's like not a thing like that, right. It's like something will just come up, like like the ego will say something to me, like it'll just pop up and say I got to get the fuck out of here and I'll just go, that is not me, right. And and see, it's funny, because the ego is totally afraid of this. It's like what, Wait a second, this is a really important thought. This is a really. The ego will be like this is a really important thought. And you know the spirit's just like, just in accepting whatever it is, the thought it arises, it's like, oh, interesting, okay, well, that is not me. And then you're watching it and I'm like, okay, I'm just watching how this goes, without looking at and like kind of like taking score or analyzing, like an ego does.

Speaker 1: 20:47

What I'm experiencing is two people that are totally willing. It's like the perfect partners for seeing through illusions, just totally willing. It's so smooth. Our relating is so smooth because the underlining, underlying I got to say, my relating is smooth with anyone, though. It's just how it is, but sometimes their relating isn't that smooth with me if they get triggered, but then I I always see them come back so fast. It's just so, it's just so simple. I never have a sense like, oh my God, how's it going to be when I'm living with that person. Will I be able to handle their emotions? Will I be able to handle their overwhelm? Will I be able to handle all this shit? It's like no, I know it's coming from me. It's going to be fucking awesome. So, anyways, we meet each other at this place where where uh, what is what is that term? Thomas, we were, we were looking at it. It's called, uh, like willing partners or something like that Partner who is willing to see. Uh, yeah, so we're both so willing to see the innocence and be happy. Right, it's like everything we seem to do together is just fucking awesome. You know, it's like every everything. We had one, we had. We had one experience that was just like so much fun for me. I was having a blast, I just thought it was so good, so good.

Speaker 1: 22:29

So Thomas's cousin, or something like that, gets a timeshare and she pays for the timeshare and everything, and she's not going to use it. So Thomas is like, hey, you want to go hang out this timeshare for a week. It'll probably be awesome. You could look at it on the website. So I look it up on the website and I look at the photos and I was like shit, that looks bigger than the place we're in right now. Let's check it out.

Speaker 1: 22:46

We're like, okay, so we get all packed up on a Friday, pack all our stuff up, go over there, find out that the reservation is until Saturday Right, we're packed up, we're all packed up, we're there to check in, right, and we find out the reservation is until Saturday. Well, first, even before that, we somehow don't see the front desk at all and we just end up in the tour section where they want to sell you shit, like they want to sell you some timeshares. So so it's like, you know, to an ego this would look like man. What the fuck kind of mess is it? What a waste of time we spent today.

Speaker 1: 23:25

We spent today packing and then we end up over there and then they're telling us and then, gosh, you know, first we're in line and Thomas shows me the phone and he's like here's the reservation, and I go, shit. It says such and such date. Isn't that today? No, that's not the date today. Oh, that's not the day today, right, so so so I'm just like. I'm just like, oh, oh, this is awesome, you know. I'm like, of course, I know what it's for, I don't really care what happens, it doesn't matter to me what happens, I don't care about that, it doesn't matter really. You know, it's not like. It's not like decisions can't pop up. I allow decisions to pop up. You know it's like shit. Just play with those two, have fun with those two. So so we go back home next day, we pack again. We kind of have to unpack because we like bring all of our shit. You know, like that we want to use.

Speaker 3: 24:26

It's really good it gets better.

Speaker 1: 24:28

So so we pack everything up again. This place is only 15 minutes away too. So we pack all of our shit up again, go back over there, right and uh, and we go check in and and you know the place I'm hearing things like I hear something. I overhear someone say okay, $175 for two nights, and I'm like thinking that sounds kind of cheap. You know, it's kind of low for, like a timeshare, you know. So then we get routed over to another desk, supposedly to get our parking pass, and we end up in basically a sales funnel, like a person's looking to sell us some stuff.

Speaker 1: 25:16

So we go ahead and we, you know, we sign up to take the timeshare thing because we're like I'm thinking I don't know if we'll go or not, but you know, if we seem to be not having anything to do at 1030 in the morning on a Sunday, and it sounds good to go eat some snacks and listen to something and they'll give us a free dinner. Cool, so sign up for that, get to the room and as soon as we open the door, I'm like what in the world? It's a tiny house. Now, I'm not trying to talk shit on tiny houses. I know lots of people love tiny houses. They're like, oh, tiny house. Okay, for one thing, I'm with a dude it's not like my boyfriend or my husband or something like that and this thing is really really small.

Speaker 1: 26:05

So, plus, we both block and I could see block therapy. We're laying on the floor with these blocks and there's no room for that. So as soon as I opened the door, I'm like nope, nope. We're like looking at stuff. No, nope, nope, that's not it, we're not staying there.

Speaker 3: 26:23

They're all the same.

Speaker 1: 26:24

Yeah, yeah, we're not saying no, we're not saying that. So then we go back again, we go back, we go back over here again and you know, the whole time I'm like this is fucking awesome. It doesn't matter which way it goes. It doesn't mean see one example that I'm sharing with you guys here does not mean we have to go use the tiny house now to be spiritual or anything like that. It's just right there in the moment there's no rules. There's no rules about this.

Speaker 1: 27:00

Kalama, to answer your question, that was chapter 2, section 10, paragraphs 9 through 11 or 12. Yeah, so you know, these are the kinds of things that Jesus is saying. This is your role. This is part of your role. Whatever it is that's arising, that's part of your role.

Speaker 1: 27:29

For me, when it comes to any thought, you know some of you guys might hear me and go, wow, you know, you got a thought in your. You got a thought in your mind saying you better get the fuck out of there. And you don't. I'm going to. You know the thought, the thought, for specifically, it popped up once for twice. I don't know, I got to get the fuck out of here. You know it sounds like your own voice right, it's like urgent, it's like I got to get the fuck out of here and it's like what I notice, I know so. So you know, living like this, living like this, it's like what you learn to trust that whatever it is is fucking awesome.

Speaker 1: 28:09

And it was funny because one of my friends, just out of the blue today I didn't I didn't say anything to anyone, but just out of the blue today said do you need a place to stay, are you? No, it was something like are you looking for a place to stay? And I go not particularly a place to stay, and I go not particularly. I'd be open to a bedroom and a bathroom that was private, but I'm not really feeling like I need to particularly look for that, because what I'm experiencing here with Thomas and every day, every morning, every night, all throughout the day, is these deep, deep realizations and that kind of like supersedes anything that speaks to how I like to be comfortable in a living situation Still didn't mean I had to go into the tiny house.

Speaker 3: 29:00

Well, and what you're saying, too, is just needs arise and you speak.

Speaker 1: 29:04

Right, that's right.

Speaker 3: 29:06

Like energetic space, because I believe in the energetic space, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:10

Well, what I noticed too. Okay, so that's a really good point. Thank you for bringing that up. Diana said she notices the need for energetic space and just speaking the needs when they arise, speaking the need for energetic space, right. So for me, I can't think of an instance where I needed to do that with Thomas, because we completely like get each other like energetically. And you know, I like to play with this. I was playing with this in Mexico too. There was this.

Speaker 1: 29:47

There was this guy who took me to Guadalajara and he took me on a bus and he kept on touching me. He was, he just kept on. He's like touching my thighs, he's like up my thighs, and then he's like wrapping his hand around and like touching my boob from the side and everything. And he, he asked me he's like, he's like, he's like, are you okay with me touching you? And I'm like you know what, I'm not really sure, like I'm observing this right now I don't want to say no to you, I'm just kind of like watching it. He's like oh, that's very interesting of you, you know, cause, like I'm energetic, energetically, I'm communicating, I know that. So, and then it always occurs to me I trust my brothers, who are one with me, Like Thomas asked me the other night.

Speaker 1: 30:37

He said what are your boundaries? And I was like I don't have any boundaries of my own. The Holy Spirit has boundaries for me. I don't know what they are, so it's like. It's kind of like I just watch and see like where are the boundaries, and watch like where do they arise? And what I noticed in my experience of this is I haven't really had to speak any boundaries. They just kind of like show themselves, they just reveal themselves. People change a little bit. They'll go, they'll, they'll back off a little bit, they'll do whatever they do and things will just change. I like to watch things change like that more than just go to using my words. So I'm super stoked that the Holy Spirit shows me how I can do that, because it's so energetic.

Speaker 1: 31:31

The first time that I could think of that I really experienced that energetic was on the dance floor, when someone was cornering me on the dance floor. When someone was cornering me on the dance floor, apparently I can only be cornering myself, so it seemed like someone was cornering me like I couldn't get out of this person's space. Right, I couldn't get out. There was like no way out of this person's space. So I came back to energetically being aware that this person is my projection and it seems like they're in my space right now, right, and it's like.

Speaker 1: 32:16

And I kept eye contact with the person too and what I notice is their energy completely changed, right there, and it just wasn't the same anymore, right, and it's like when we learn and truly recognize that we are energetic, we are not made of energy. Okay, that's one thing. We are not made of energy. When we think we're made of energy, then we're afraid of other people's energy. That is thing. We are not made of energy. When we think we're made of energy, then we're afraid of other people's energy. That is bullshit. We are not made of energy. Our thoughts are projecting an energy and that's making an image and that image is energetically relating with other energies. But really it's our thoughts that are making the image and the relating and everything, waiting for a miracle.

Speaker 1: 33:12

Yeah waiting, yeah, see. So when you're identifying as that person or as that energy, when you're identifying as that, you're basically needing to protect yourself. So you're needing to come up with boundaries, and that's not anything bad about that. There's just a step that takes you beyond that. It takes you beyond the boundaries. So it's like it's like you recognize that you don't have boundaries of your own. They're Holy Spirit's boundaries. That doesn't mean I can't speak boundaries. I mean, when you look at that example of when I was in India and that guy grabbed my ass, all of a sudden it just popped right out of my mouth hey, do not grab my ass. But I'm laughing at the same time because I know I'm grabbing my own ass.

Speaker 3: 34:04

But I'm laughing at the same time because I know I'm grabbing my own ass and I'm thinking more of like perceptions of needing to engage when you don't need to engage and being able to go. I'm going to go lay down.

Speaker 1: 34:17

Oh, yeah, totally.

Speaker 3: 34:19

That be just organic. Oh yeah, not a need for boundaries, or you know. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly our own energy and being whatever, right.

Speaker 1: 34:31

That's exactly what. That's exactly what I'm talking about too. It's all the same, right. It's all the same whether someone is like grabbing you physically or you just need to, uh, have some energy boundaries. Where you say I'm going to bed, that's not even a thing for me, like, if I feel like I'm going to bed, I'm just going to bed. That's like people pleasing stuff. I feel like you know, it's like if you're thinking that you need to be a certain way, sacrifice something because someone else is in the field, or something like that, or not say what it is that you want to do, or anything, then that's different. Yeah, that's like people pleasing Sure.

Speaker 3: 35:21

Yeah, that's kind of. You know what I'm pointing to in my own being.

Speaker 1: 35:25

Uh-huh.

Speaker 3: 35:26

Understanding and knowing.

Speaker 1: 35:28

Understanding and knowing, yes, that that exists within my thought. It exists within your thought that you need energetic boundaries. Is that what you're saying, or that?

Speaker 3: 35:40

That people pleasing.

Speaker 1: 35:42

People pleasing Easily, oh, or that people pleasing people pleasing easily, oh. So know boundaries about your body and stuff like that being touched, but boundaries about when you're going to take care of your energy, when you're going to eat, when you're going to sleep, when you're going to rest, when you're going to have time away. And you know it's fun because, like Thomas Thomas tells me, you know, just let me know if you need some space, like if you need some space, and I'll just leave and I'm like, ok, yeah, I will, and I don't have that come up.

Speaker 1: 36:40

It seems like yeah, yeah, Because it seems like you know, anytime there seems to be like I need something that I don't have. It's like, oh my goodness, I have everything I need, it's just perfect. That's what it shows me. It's like being aware of that space, that gentle space of perfection and joy, and also aware that everything's temporary. It's like man, my friend is asking are you looking for a place to stay? And I could be out of here at some point soon. Huh, Well, yeah, and and and also I could. I could just be redirected too. That's the other thing. I could be redirected at any time. Right, accepting the blessings and you could see.

Speaker 1: 37:48

It doesn't matter what kind of situation or circumstances or circumstance that I find myself in. There's never a need for any hurry. There's never any need for any rush Like, oh my God, I got to get out of here. There's never any need for that, because recognizing that wherever you find yourself is where the role is, where your role is and, anyways, it's not going to make anything go faster. It actually slows it down because it's a distraction, Right, it's like it slows everything down. Right, it's like it slows everything down. So resting in it, resting in wherever we are in the role lets you find the joy, and not only the joy, the gratitude in it, Like what I'm sharing with you guys, the parts where something comes up. It's like very small amount of the time, the 95, 99, I don't know how much percent of the time it's like gratitude. Oh, my goodness, goodness, thank you for all of this that I've been given. All of this connection, all of this awareness, all of this kind of like an explosion of consciousness, it's just amazing, right, and with that there's peace in any circumstances. I mean, you guys, people have asked me before like, oh, what if you go to jail for that? Like when I was playing in a role of activist, right, I'm like, if I'm in jail, I'm having a kick-ass time over there. It's the same.

Speaker 1: 39:34

That's the thing about not minding what's going on in the field, because everything in the field is giving you exactly what you need. And see, the ego is always going toward ingratitude. That's what it's doing, Like any situation it finds itself in, it's finding reasons to not be grateful. That's what it does and that's what the illusion is always showing. So look and I've heard people talk about this before it's like wherever I go, everywhere I go, I'm running into it sucks the people around me. They suck. Well, that's because you go to ingratitude and you keep on one. Then you find more and more reasons to be grateful, right? So it's in every situation, it's in every job. It's like an erroneous thought that'll pop up and if there's the following of that thought, that's what expands. Like whatever you put your attention on, that expands. So I don't like to ignore these things either. See what's going on here, how I bring them to the surface. I bring them to the surface so they could be seen in the light.

Speaker 1: 41:04

The thing that we've been studying recently is the unwatched mind. The mind needs to be watched. What it's saying is not true. It's not that you know what it's saying is true and you give it value, but it needs to be watched because otherwise it will ruin all of your experiences and relationships. That's what it does. It makes everything out to be not good enough, right? This is what happens in marriages too. Oh my gosh, I should go.

Speaker 3: 41:42

I'm trapped here.

Speaker 1: 41:44

A job, a place, you start seeing these things. Look for something that you can be grateful for. For me, I'm always grateful for what unfolds. Everywhere I go, I could hear the ego's voice talking about how it's shitty. Like, okay, go to Namaste Village, oh my gosh, no hot water. First, three weeks, no hot water. I got to get the fuck out of here. Next step right, I'm over at a place. Now they have hot water and the landlords are completely up my ass.

Speaker 1: 42:28

Right, the place is kind of like I'm in a, I'm in like a, a situation where you got like a, you're like a kid and these are your parents. That's what it seemed like. These are my parents and they're watching me. They're watching who's coming over. I have a friend spend the night a couple of times. Next thing, you know, they're asking for her last name, right? So so what I?

Speaker 1: 42:56

What I see over and over again is these things where there's some kind of complaint or there's some kind of issue or some kind of this isn't the perfect situation. These last for a very short portion of it, unless you blow them up big, and then it gets to be more and more like oh my gosh. But yeah, it's a matter of seeing the benefits, seeing the uh, the blessings in everything, because in everything you'll find a mix and then you look toward the benefits. That's how it is, um, so one of the benefits is a whole big acim community here, people who are really committed. They're meeting all the time. They're reading about it, they're talking about it. They're really sweet, they're really loving. You can tell they've been practicing for a long time because they're super loving, and Thomas is one of those guys. He does some of the lessons too Reading of Anna the grandmother. If you guys want any links on that, just email me. I'll send them to you or text me or something. I'll send you links so you can join. I go to those. I like to participate. It's really fun, it's really interesting. People get deep. I love it. So I'm finding a really sweet community here, and also there's a chocolate shop right up the road that reminds me of Puna. A couple people even recognize me from wisdom talks. They're like, hey, what are you doing here? Super sweet, loving vibes, lots of hugs and loving each other up. It's really cool. I love it. I love it. I'm having a blast here.

Speaker 1: 44:57

So the main thing, though, that's been so opening for me is being with living with what people would call a willing or what, what the course of love was calling a willing partner in awakening, and this doesn't have to be like a uh, romantic partner, it doesn't need to be like that. It's just a willing partner in relating. That's where we're just so open with each other, we're so willing to see the innocence. I've never had this kind of connection before and this kind of connection is exactly what propels each of us along our path and everyone else and everyone else we come into contact with.

Speaker 1: 46:00

We were in a bar, irish bar one night after going, dancing under the full moon and we were just hanging out and there was a vibe with us. You know, there's like a certain vibe between us and we're just loving each other up and we're just hanging out and we're looking in each other's eyes and one or two or three I don't know people were just kind of like making comments and looking at us and one person even says you guys must be so in love and we're like, yeah, we are, that is for sure. It's like we have this kind of vibe together. We have this kind of connection together where, anywhere we go, we're just like having such a good time. We go to the grocery store together. We go to the grocery store together, we're just totally, you can say, in love, right, but there's no possession, there's no possessiveness to it.

Speaker 1: 47:00

Thomas has really close friends, one who's really close with him, who has been his girlfriend twice and he's still really close with her and you know he hugs her and sits and kisses her and sits next to her and holds her hand and everything like that, dances with her, and then he does the same kind of affection with me. You know we have the same kind of affection and kind of close connection. And you know, thomas, he's really super affectionate like hands on. You know, thomas, he's really, uh, super affectionate like hands-on, you know. And body on too. I mean I don't know if diana got it, got any kind of taste of that, but fuck, he just comes up and he just like puts his whole body on you, like you could feel the shape of the penis on you and everything you know you didn't get that greeting.

Speaker 1: 47:54

All right, thomas, I don't know what's happening here, but it's supposed to be equal, equal, uh, whatever, equal, equal, full body hugging. So you know, when people talk about boundaries, that's what I noticed, I noticed. Ok, I know that this is a thing, I know that this is a thing, I know that women because you know, I seem to get like whoa, it's kind of like whoa, what the fuck. You know, it's like oh, what the fuck. And it's funny because Thomas was telling me, you know, he's talking with his friends and he's like hope is unflinching. Thomas doesn't notice I'm going whoa, what the fuck. But you know why he doesn't notice it? Because I notice it and I notice that's not me. See, I notice that is not me and I want to play with it. So I'm not saying that people should do this, I'm not saying people have to do this. I want to play with it. I want to see what's going on. This is the first Thomas is hearing about this. What's going on? This is the first Thomas is hearing about this. I want to know and I want to see this energetic play.

Speaker 1: 49:17

I know that at any moment Thomas is just such a sweetie he's like he'll ask me. He actually asked me what are your boundaries, right? And I said I don't have any Out of my own. The spirit has boundaries. When those need to come out, you'll know, right? So this part that's actually doing the flinching is not showing on the surface because it's not me and I know it's not me, and so it's just kind of like hmm, let's see how this energy plays out. It's an energy playing out anyways. Again, this isn't something that I'm saying people should do to be spiritual or prove spirituality or anything like that. If you get the sense that you need to say, hey, no, I want to set some clear boundaries here, for one, when we hug your fucking penis, doesn't go on me, okay. Or you don't come around trying to kiss me with your tongue, or something like that, you might just say stuff like that and I have certainly. I have said stuff like that a lot because I could be super straightforward when I need to be straightforward. No problem at all.

Speaker 1: 50:24

And then there's this part that's like let's just see how the energy plays, and what I notice is that Thomas is really good at feeling my energy. He's good at it and see, the thing is, I may be recognizing this thing that's flinching, and recognizing that it's not me, but I'm not even having an energetic boundary there. It's not there. I'm like, okay, it's not there, I actually do not mind, it's not a big deal that when he hugs me he's that close to me. That's not a big deal, right? So I'm like, okay, you notice what's flinching and go. Okay, that's actually not a big deal, okay. Sometimes he comes around and uses his tongue to kiss me. I just don't get into that, right. So I could always say at any time I could say, hey, don't do that. But there's certain instances where I'm just interested in the energetic plate. Let's see where this goes. I want to see if this can be managed energetically and it's a safe space, because he is such a sweet, sweet dude Any second that I would say no to that. He would completely back off too. He would just completely back off too. But at the same time, I don't feel like they need to be a sweet dude for me to feel this way too. I think that me feeling this way is automatically making them sweet dudes.

Speaker 1: 52:02

I've had a lot of practice with this, especially in Mexico, because almost every Uber driver thought they wanted to date me so, and some of them were more straightforward than other ones. Right, some of the Uber drivers were much more straightforward and you know, sometimes I just go, I just go. You know what, I'm not into that. And then other times I just go, oh okay, and play along with it. One guy said he wants to spank me. I told him he'd have to wait a couple weeks. Well, I just had laser on my butt and my butt was burned at the time. So I told him he needed to wait a couple weeks on the app, right, and then he goes are you afraid of me? You know, like on the app, and I'm like no, I'm not afraid of you, I know you're the holy son of God on the app because we don't speak the same language, like we're doing a translator thing and just noticing, man, I'm safe anywhere I go.

Speaker 1: 53:08

I was walking around Mexico at like one in the morning and I was telling some people that and they're like aren't you afraid of someone grabbing you? And I go, you know what I think if someone grabbed me, I would grab them back. I think I would actually just like wrap my arms and legs around them. Oh, you want to grab? Let's be like really close, you know will be, we'll just be really really close, right, oh, thanks, right, it's all the way you, it's all the way you be with it. It really is, it's all the way you're gonna be with it. Are you gonna be with it? In a way, that's making your illusions true.

Speaker 1: 53:53

One illusion is that you can't trust your brothers. You can trust all your brothers. They're one with you. You can trust all of them, see. And then it's an idea too, and when there's an idea that you can't trust your brothers, it's an idea that you can't trust yourself. So it's like can I trust myself? Can I trust that, if this goes too far for me, that I will just go? Oh, you know what, nevermind, I don't want to do that anymore.

Speaker 1: 54:22

Right, that's what I was, that's what I would do when I, whenever I was with my husband, tony, because he would go play along with my games, and then, when it went too far and it was, you know, it was like like I'd go. Okay, now I want to, now I want to do it like this. I want to. Basically, we're role-playing all the time. I want to role-play like this. Basically, we're always role-playing and then I go. You know what. Actually, I don't want to do it like that anymore. I don't want to, let's say, I don't want to push each other in that way. Right, there's like these kinds of games that we start to play. I don't want to push each other in that way. I don't want to make that illusion true anymore. I know we were doing it like that before, but I'm not doing it like that anymore.

Speaker 1: 55:14

Those kind of energetic boundaries come up too, yeah, but I just noticed, man, I've been really liking playing with that one that's a sexual one and, who knows, maybe it's because I've been with my husband 30 years before this. You know, I've been with my husband 30 years before this, you know, and it would always be like the boundary would come up fast because, because I had a commitment with him, it's like if I have a commitment, commitment with someone, and then I'm not playing this out at all, you know, it's like, hey, you need to know. And Thomas notices the difference too, too, from when I came over. I came over and hung out at his house. Before, when I was married, the boundaries were clear, right, because I had a commitment with someone. So those are just coming out right away. But now it's like oh, this is interesting, this is different, because now I don't have that reason and now I could just kind of like, watch and go. Hmm, where is this going, right? Hmm, what is this?

Speaker 1: 56:24

In Mexico, it went all the way to sex with one dude. It went all the way to sex with one dude. I was not expecting that to happen. You know, like I said, I'm just watching, I don't know. I mean, it's just the same that dude and Thomas. It's just different that apparently, at least so far, energetic boundaries are at a certain place. Who knows, maybe it's that we live together. I don't know, I don't even question the spirit's boundaries because they're not mine, I don't have rules about those, right.

Speaker 1: 56:57

But with my friend over there in Mexico, who I met one week before I ended up leaving, I was just watching, watching, watching. I was like, oh shit, this is going to sex. That happens too. It's just like. It's just like freedom playing in the field. There's no rules about it. And and you know, the funny thing is, I was talking on wisdom dialogues and we were doing ACIM deep dives and I was getting released from this sense of needing to use bodies for sex at all. And I was like gosh, am I even ever going to have sex again? If that's not the case, if I'm not using bodies for sex, am I ever even going to have sex again? And then it was like pretty vast. Yes, you are. The answer came very quickly there and you know so much, yeah, and so it's just a play of energy.

Speaker 1: 58:07

And what Jesus was talking about is that you've misunderstood what sex is for. And it's like man, I see that, I see how I misunderstood what it was for. It was like using it to join bodies, using it for joining bodies together. That's not really. Bodies cannot join, they cannot really join, cannot join, they cannot really join. But when the mind is joined, you know, it's like it's like really innocent and free. It's not like what will this mean if we have sex or anything like that? It's just, it's just really free. Will it happen again? I don't know, it's just in the moment. It's like okay, you're watching, are there boundaries? Where are they? Show me where they are. And then the lessons that come up from that, basically just revealing that it doesn't mean anything more. And I've done a video about this before, called Sex and Sandwiches, likening sex basically as the same kind of event, impactful event as eating a sandwich. Like you know, it doesn't have to be such a major thing. It doesn't have to be, it's so loaded.

Speaker 1: 59:28

Yeah, it's loaded.

Speaker 3: 59:29

Well, it's because of the, the only thing about where we came from was that it was more about procreation and there wasn't like freedom sexual.

Speaker 1: 59:40

Right openness. She's saying it was about procreation.

Speaker 3: 59:46

Yeah, you know there's. Whatever I'm playing in right now is like thinking about the liberation in the 60s and 70s. That was a part of like, hey, you know, this is a God-given right, Right, you know, to experience this type of energy exchange, this ecstasy that the body has the capacity for. That the body has the capacity for, yeah, and then you're free to experience that in the way that you want to experience it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:16

Well, yeah, I mean really, when you look at the experiences, you're saying you're free to experience sexuality in the way you want to experience it. And it's like when you look at every experience as being for what it's for awakening the mind. If you look at every experience as being for what it's for awakening the mind, if you look at every experience as being for that, then it's the same thing as anything else. But if you look at it as it's for something else I mean at one point and of course in miracles Jesus talked about how sex is for making babies. He said that's what it's for, you know, and what it looks like, because Jesus is never like in condemnation and going you shouldn't do it. He's not saying you shouldn't do it, but it's like it has like a purpose in the world. It's for making babies. It's not going to get you anything. It's not going to get you anything any different from anything else.

Speaker 1: 1:01:16

But certain lessons come up. You get to see things, and you know what I mean by lessons is you just get to. You get to have more clarity right about things, about how this works, about how to relate and everything like that. So what I saw was, you know, a sense like major. What came up like in the middle of the night after that going on, was this major, oh my God, like that in my mind. But I noticed it's the ego, it's just the ego, and it switches really fast to where I'm just like released from it in an instant and noticing too. That's what I want. I want those thoughts to come to me. Who better? I mean it's like yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:02:06

Yeah, and it's just that. You know, maybe the experience of freedom with sex brings up all the shame that we've repressed or suppressed about the body and its experience.

Speaker 1: 1:02:21

Yeah, and you know, I got a sense that after the fact, like, oh, that was not right, that wasn't you know something like that. And man, it just didn't last. That wasn't you know something like that. And it, man, it just didn't last, it couldn't last. Because the thoughts when they're uh, when when they come up to the truth it's like the truth of the matter is everything is for awakening. Anyways, uh, the guy was super sweet, super sweet, loving all that kind of stuff. There's definitely no regrets about it.

Speaker 1: 1:02:56

What I share with you guys is these thoughts that come up that I'm giving no meaning. The reason why I'm sharing them with you here on Wisdom Dialogues is so you could see how this works. On wisdom dialogues is so you could see how this works. The reason I share so openly is so that you can see how this works, how you don't get caught up in stupid thoughts. There's absolutely no. There's no reason why anyone shouldn't have done what they've done. Even if you find out, wow, I just had sex with a complete asshole, I would be the same way with it. Be the same way about it. I just want to say, in case he's listening and he knows who he is, he is such a sweetheart, right, and that thought that popped up, that thought that said that shouldn't, and and also also a thought that popped up is a, is a thought of missing and comparing to a previous partner and it's like no way, that's not. You know that it's not. Basically it's not him, right?

Speaker 3: 1:04:10

So it would be after 30 years of practice.

Speaker 1: 1:04:19

He says that would be, that would be after the yeah, that would be after 30 years of practice playing with it, playing in the field like that with another body, you know. But yeah, actually it wasn't even about him either. So it's playing with the bodies, just playing with bodies, just playing with bodies, apparently, you know. And the thing about the thing about playing with bodies that makes it any kind of quote unquote dangerous is our mind about it, that's all. It is the mind's popping up and saying things, you know, and it's, and it's not true. And I see that I see this too in like in the male female dynamic is guys trying harder and harder to be more understanding and being sweeter, and I think that is really sweet, you know. And I'm going to say this it doesn't matter how much guys you're doing that, the chicks are still going to perceive you as something. That's just how it goes, because it's not the doing that that makes a difference. It's in your recognizing that you're not capable of going too far. Let's say, let me just say that to you, to all you men who think I know some people are going to go what the fuck are you saying? You're giving them all the permission. But here's the thing, and this is why forgiveness actually works. This is why forgiveness works, because when you recognize, when you guys recognize, that you actually are not capable of overstepping anyone's boundaries, you won't perceive yourself doing it anymore I'm serious and no one's going to perceive that you're doing it to them. The only reason anyone perceives that you can overstep their boundaries Thomas, are you hearing this? The only way anyone ever perceives that you can overstep their boundaries is because you thought you were capable of doing that. So once you do that kind of forgiveness that I'm talking about earlier, that collapses time. No one's gonna be able to perceive you as overstepping their boundaries at any time. That's what you wanna do. So whenever you get that sense that someone's acting like, oh, that's too far or something like that, or let's say, you're too affectionate, you can't be too affectionate either. You're not capable of being too affectionate, anything like that, that's your opportunity to recognize you made that up and you're not capable of it. You're not capable of being too affectionate. You're not capable of going beyond anyone's boundaries. It's really not a matter of controlling each other. It really isn't. But see, the ego is so scared. The ego is saying yes, okay, and there is a time when people need to learn this.

Speaker 1: 1:07:26

So, if you're listening to me right now and you're going, oh fuck, I'm just going to go overstep everyone's boundaries right now, you're probably not listening to wisdom dialogues if that's your mindset, but just in case you are, you know, and even in case you're not, because you're probably like listening to what I'm saying and going, oh my God, this is so dangerous. But actually it's the safest thing, because in my defenselessness, my safety lies. This is not taken literally by people and that's why they're still doing A Course in Miracles 50 years later. Right, because it's not taking literally that in my defenselessness, my safety lies Okay, defenselessness, my safety lies Okay. So that's why I will tell every guy uh, you are not capable of going further than my boundaries allow, you're not. You're not capable of that because they're not I know they're not my boundaries, their spirits boundaries. So there's no uh, and you know, and this is speaking, this is speaking from someone.

Speaker 1: 1:08:30

I have had experiences, as a lot of people who are in my age range have, of being molested as a child. But I can see with crystal clear vision that I let it occur, even as a child, that it was an energetic play. It was a total energetic play. So, look, this is what is truly helpful, is for everyone to see. Eventually. It doesn't mean that you know this is for everyone right now, but eventually, and if you're listening to wisdom dialogues right now and you spend time listening to wisdom dialogues, this is something that you can apply to yourself. Don't worry about anyone else. Don't worry about if this is dangerous for anyone else. Can you trust yourself enough to know that you can't be too much? You can't do too much to someone? You cannot harm a brother. You cannot harm and you cannot be harmed. See.

Speaker 1: 1:09:43

I've seen this go on so much where it's like you did this to me and then it just keeps on rolling. So that's the difference between, you know, keeping these illusions alive which you know, at a time you need to exercise boundaries like that. At a time you need to exercise discipline like that, because you don't know yet that you can be trusted, you can totally be trusted, and that's what I see. Like when I'm interacting with someone, like when I'm interacting with anyone who you know interacts in a way where it's more physical and stuff like that, I notice I'm only letting them go as far as I want them to go. They're not going any further than that. The guy in the hotel room who grabbed my ass did I want him to grab my ass? Yes, I did. And then I could still say, hey, don't grab my ass, recognizing that I wanted that.

Speaker 1: 1:10:58

This is like the practical application of in my defenselessness my safety lies and I can trust all my brothers who are one with me. See, so when I'm demonstrating it, I'm demonstrating it to my own mind and I'm demonstrating it to the whole mind, which is not separate. It's demonstrating safety. It's demonstrating complete safety in the arms of love with each other and it's showing the ego that there's no need for it here. There's no need for that. I just love the play. I love my role in it.

Speaker 1: 1:11:52

I love that I get to expose it like I do. It's like showing what true forgiveness is. What I think is isn't and you know it's like I've been asked before but isn't that spiritual bypass? If you go, last night I got the sense that I was this and then you just go, that didn't happen. Isn't that spiritual bypass? And I go well, it's spiritual bypass to believe that you are capable of doing that. Actually, when you're aware that you're not really capable, but you're doing it in a dream, you actually change it within the minds of everyone else too. It changes it when you're giving in to guilt and thinking that you need to change or apologize to someone, or something like that, you're still circulating.

Speaker 1: 1:13:05

It's circular. It's like we forgive each other in an ego way of forgiving each other. It's like, hey, I just need to get okay, I need to pretend like I really did do something wrong last night. I acted a certain way I shouldn't have acted, for instance and I need to make this right with the other person and I need to apologize to that other person. And then the other person might apologize to me too and say, oh, I was doing it wrong too, and then it feels really good because both people they feel like they made a connection and they did, in a way. It's just that what you really want to see together. And here's how I would look at it. Here's how I would play with it, like if someone told me hey, I noticed that I didn't, let's say I didn't listen to you last night, I didn't hear you, I overstepped my bounds or I offended you or something like that. You know what my response to them would be oh, no, you were 100% helpful. Every single time, no, no, no, you were 100% helpful. I don't want you to act any other way. I don't want you to have any feeling that says you acted wrong or you thought wrong or you did anything wrong. Whatever you seem to do like, even if I'm pushing you, even if I'm like, kind of like pushing on you to recognize something, I'm pushing you to recognize your own innocence. I'm not pushing you to recognize that you did or thought anything wrong. Own innocence, I'm not pushing you to recognize that you did or thought anything wrong. All I ever want for my brother because all I ever want for myself is them to see their own innocence I take responsibility for every thought that seems to be arising about them. Taking responsibility for me means I just hand it over to the Holy Spirit. It's not true. It's never true. So the ego will be, can't be like can you, can you? Can you really live in a situation like this? Can you really? Can you really live in a situation like this? Right, and it's like, let's see, right because he, because here's the thing too. There's no situation. That's the thing about being one, that's the thing about totally being one. There isn't a situation.

Speaker 1: 1:16:09

You know, I was playing with the osho card, the osho zen tarot, and I, you know, sometimes I was playing with the Osho card, the Osho Zen Tarot, and I, you know, sometimes like to play with those cards. And I was looking at they have these different spreads. So I'm looking at these different spreads and this different spread, say there's an issue, and I'm like I can't think of a single issue that I need to bring to this thing. I don't see an issue right. It's like everything that even seems to be an issue. It's like the forgiveness has already occurred before.

Speaker 1: 1:16:38

I've heard this term too forgiveness before that. What seems to be an issue becomes like food for awakening. It's like the perfect food. It becomes the perfect food. Whatever seems to be an issue becomes a perfect food for awakening right, and then it's like and then it's like there's no need to, I guess. I guess you could say there's no need to be fussy. There's no need to be fussy about things like oh, I need a, I need a boundary over here, I need this, I need this space, I need this over here.

Speaker 3: 1:17:19

You see what I mean it's a persona that's picky about food sometimes yeah, well, I get that too.

Speaker 1: 1:17:27

She's saying she has a persona that's picky about food. I get that. That too. I've been playing with this. Me and Thomas have been playing with this all the time, because, like, I come over here and like he's got this food where I'm like, oh no, I'm not eating that fucking food, right, but it's not like you have to change or anything like that. It's super gentle, right.

Speaker 1: 1:17:54

I'm also not afraid of eating any kind of food. I'm not afraid of it. There are the preferences. I recognize the preferences. I'm like okay, so I come over here and I forgot what we were first eating. It didn't, I don't, I don't even know what it was, but I found the very first day I was here, I found a little local store where I could buy some things, and so I got some things, I stuck them in the fridge and I start doing that stuff. But I'm, you know, I have a. I have a way of like knowing what I like. Like as far as like eating, eating high fat foods. I love high fat foods. Ghee, right, I like. I like sourdough bread. I like eggs that haven't been refrigerated. That's my favorite kind of eggs. So talk about this in frame Honey the body, because Good yes.

Speaker 3: 1:18:43

I'm glad Going to that. Right, the body has preferences, or is it the mind that has preferences, right? Yeah, you know, there's some satiation of desire.

Speaker 1: 1:18:53

Well, okay, good, I'm glad you're asking that. Okay, so the body is a projection of the mind. It doesn't have any preferences, it has no intelligence, it has no, nothing at all. So these preferences that come up, you could say they are part of the role. Remember, we were talking about the role earlier, the character, right. So there's a role being played out, and that was something Thomas and I were just going over recently too. There's this role of a human that's being played, and you're the only one who's going to have this particular role to play In this particular role, to play.

Speaker 1: 1:19:34

This persona that I've made let's put it in terms like that has preferences. Okay, for certain foods, okay. So this may be where you might see a little bit more of what you might call fussiness, too, although I don't let it rule me, because I could be in a restaurant or I could be in a situation where the Holy Spirit I just check in with the Holy Spirit about what I eat, about everything, about every single thing, and sometimes I find myself eating things that wouldn't normally be on my menu, but I just automatically give it no value, like that. Like, as far as you know, there's a certain knowledge that I seem to have and this is also my role to have this knowledge, because it's that's what's coming up, and and it's it's this knowledge, and it's worldly knowledge. So it doesn't really mean anything that seed oils are bad for you, and even when I say that I recognize, okay, nothing can really inherently be good or bad for you. That's not possible, because it's all projected by your mind, right? So I still find myself, though, apparently having a preference for oils and fats that are not seed oils. It's a matter of like.

Speaker 1: 1:20:58

Last night I was in a restaurant and I asked what oil do you guys? Oh, I saw polenta on the menu and I go oh, what oil do you guys cook those in? He goes and he finds out and they say vegetable oil, and I'm like no, I'm not really into it. But it's not like. I'm like against it, like if it was feeling like I'm really into it, I'll have it. I know, I know I'm totally protected, I know there's that none of this shit can actually do anything to me. So it's not. It's not a matter of like that. And let's say I'm at someone's house, like someone, I'll be at someone's house and they're making food that I wouldn't normally eat. I don't. I don't make it a guilty thing by projecting that that food is bad for me. So last night, when I was at that restaurant too, I was asking what the oils were and he said seed oils. I'm like, oh, nevermind.

Speaker 1: 1:21:53

And I go hey, you know, if it was something like some good oil, like palm oil or something like that that's not made of corn specifically, that's what it is. When it's vegetable oil, I doubt it's broccoli oil or something like that, like vegetable oil, like what. They just get a bunch of vegetables and, right, some corn, yeah, some corn. Here's some corn oil which is basically, it seems to be like in everything. So if I'm at someone's house and they're making something in corn oil, I'll just eat it If it's fried.

Speaker 1: 1:22:32

A lot of the times I'll find myself asking what kind of oil it is, and I'll likely eat less of it if it's corn oil, if it's what they call vegetable oils. But see, in exercising these preferences and knowing that I only exercise them when inspired to do so, it's still asking the Holy Spirit, it's always checking in with the Holy Spirit. Even the asking what kind of oil they use is also checking in with the Holy Spirit. Even to ask that question. It may not be a thing. So the person who answers me the question is like I don't know anything about. He says something like I don't know anything about these specialty oils and I go, oh well, bless that up because it doesn't have any effect on you. You see what I mean. It's like, it's like that.

Speaker 1: 1:23:46

It's like OK everybody's going to have you know, it's like's like, if I can exercise my preference, I will. If I can't exercise my preference, it has no meaning. Right, and it's still, even when I'm exercising it. It has no meaning. Same thing goes with vaccines. Like, let's say, I wouldn't take a vaccine, couldn't take a vaccine. Apparently, vaccine is full of poisons, apparently. Now, if I needed to take a vaccine because the Holy Spirit inspired me to take a vaccine like, let's say, I needed a vaccine to go to a certain place where the Holy Spirit would have me be, I'll just take a vaccine and deny any fucking meaning to it, deny any power to it. See, so it's not a matter of now. You have to prove it by doing all the things you don't like to do. It's like if there is an opportunity to exercise a preference that just arises anyways and you know it's so energetic too. It's like you can feel like what it is in the moment. You know, in one moment it might be like some ghee and some bread. That's one of my favorite things, by the way Ghee and bread. I like to toast the bread with ghee, and another time it might be, I don't know, a hot dog from a fast food truck or something like that, but the energetics of it is the same. This is the energetics of inspiration in the spirit. See, when it's in the spirit, it's always good for you Because it's nourishing. The spirit is nourishing, it makes it always good for you. And when it's coming from mind, when it's coming from a mindset that says the self is separate and this food is separate from the self, it's always an attack on the body because it's making the self separate, doesn't matter how good your nutrition is either.

Speaker 1: 1:26:28

So thomas and I have been playing around with sensuality, especially around food. There's one thing that I noticed when I first got here, just observing Thomas eating, I'm going, hmm, he could have some more sensuality with his food. And so I started to play with that. I started to make certain things hey, you want to try this? And he's like, wow, this is so good, this is so decadent, it's so good. I'm like I know. So I started telling him about fat. And that's the fun thing about you know, decadent fats. It's like they feel so decadent and we've been taught that this stuff, this kind of stuff, isn't bad for, is bad for us. It'll make us fat, right.

Speaker 1: 1:27:22

So people have developed this mindset where there's eating out of conditioning that says I'm going to prevent myself from getting fat, I'm going to do good. Conditioning that says I'm going to prevent myself from getting fat, I'm going to do good, right, I'm going to, I'm going to use low fat things. And so then what happens is the eating. You never believe that. So then the eating loses its sensuality, right, the eating itself loses its sensuality because, kind of like that, uh, that mouth, even that mouth feel, you know, it's like there's a sense of juiciness and goodness. So you know, even something really simple like switching from low-fat yogurt to full-fat yogurt makes a big difference in the way it feels, right. And so then you go from just consuming food to just keep on consuming, consuming, consuming, and a lot of it's so mindless. It's like this mindless consuming takes over to where you're having a joyous, luxurious, uh kind of like an erotic, even sexual, time with your food, right?

Speaker 1: 1:28:32

Another thing that we've touched upon, too, is that the whole life you could say is sexual, like the whole thing is the way the spirit is penetrating our minds. You can say it's so like that. So then the experience becomes like that. And why wouldn't we want to have our experiences like that? That's why I like to just be rolling around in the field, like I have been, you know, just kind of like rolling around in the field, going, hmm, how can this just be like really juicy and sensual, without bringing the mind into it right, how does? How could this just be really sweet and juicy and sensual?

Speaker 3: 1:29:19

well, it is that everything is creation and creator, so it's all sex everything is diana saying.

Speaker 1: 1:29:26

Everything is creation and creator, so it's all sex. It's fun how my wisdom dialogues go back and forth too. I'm noticing this because some guys you know, part of it is that I'm just a fucking idiot. Okay, I've said this before. I don't say this in a mean way toward myself. I'm not saying that in a mean way toward myself at all. Don't get me wrong. Okay, right, it's like dude, several months ago I was talking about how the truth is erotic. That was like one of the main things I was talking about. The truth is erotic. Oh my gosh, I feel so sexual and everything like that. You know, and and so and so then we're going through a Course in Miracles and we're getting to these deep dives and Jesus is talking about, hey, sex is for procreation, not recreation.

Speaker 1: 1:30:20

I was trying to say recreation, what I'm going to purify this whole sexual thing toward bodies. But see, here's the thing I needed to purify the sexual thing toward bodies, because that was hooking me into something. It was hooking my mind into something where I was like, okay, I just want to get unhooked from this. You know, it's basically hooked into this sense like I need a body, and that helped me so much. You see how it could just go back and forth like that it's fine, you still use it for awakening.

Speaker 1: 1:30:57

So it's like, at that point in time it seemed like I needed another body and a particular body to be okay. So I'm like, okay, what needs to be purified here? Okay, it it's the sexual attraction to bodies, it's making that body an object. Let's say so then. What I'm experiencing is I'm experiencing it deeper now, where it's not singling out sex, because sex isn't arising like that. It's arising as something that's really neutral. It's arising as something that's across all things that I seem to do, everything I seem to do. I like to walk across the room sexually right, sexually or sensually right, actually, you're sensual.

Speaker 1: 1:31:53

Sensually. Yeah, it's the same to me, I mean really, I mean it's just this sense of making love in the field.

Speaker 3: 1:32:03

We do distinguish, I feel like I do distinguish that you know there's a difference between the sexual and sensual energy.

Speaker 1: 1:32:12

Sexual and sensual energy.

Speaker 3: 1:32:14

Yeah, many times sexual, is going for something.

Speaker 1: 1:32:17

It is going for something. I see what you're saying, yeah, and you know, certainly these words can be interpreted however. We need to see what we need to see. I know they really can. They really can.

Speaker 1: 1:32:39

It's like when I say sexual, it's kind of like there's this interaction where there's it's like it's got a sense, like an erotic sense with it. It's like the whole body's energy field Is for a pass-through of all the other energies, like there's an individual body's energy field and then there's all these other energies that they're just not doing any harm, let's say they're not caustic to it, but they just pass right through it and it feels like a penetration. It feels like a kind of a penetration. It's like all these energies, even the thoughts, everything, nothing gets stuck in the body's energy field. It just passes through it and it's a very sensual or erotic or sexual thing. And this is not like something that has to do specifically with the act of sex in a physical sense. It doesn't physically have to do, but it can include that. It can certainly include that. So it's not like it.

Speaker 3: 1:33:56

Belief can be penetrated in creation.

Speaker 1: 1:34:01

Yeah, yeah, it's a kind of it's. It's kind of like a, a sexuality that doesn't require bodies, because it it includes everything. Like before anything is even a form, like before anything even becomes a body or any kind of form, is it allowed to be penetrating you? Is every thought allowed? So it includes the thought and even a thought that and I'm gonna say especially especially a delusional thought, right?

Speaker 3: 1:34:37

we want to penetrate those well.

Speaker 1: 1:34:39

Well, yeah, it's like. It's like especially a delusional thought, because it's like if we just allow it to penetrate the body's energy field, it moves through, it passes through, rather than being stuck, instead of like stopping at the energetic let's say energetic boundaries, like no, I don't want that thought. My boundaries are strong, I don't want that thought. And to me it's like any thought. Earlier today the thought occurred to me. I hadn't heard this thought in a long time. It's one of the funniest thoughts that occurred to me ever occurred to me. It's I hate my life, I want to die.

Speaker 1: 1:35:17

Those particular words occurred to me this morning, and you know what the thing is. They're not true. They're just popping up like pop, pop, pop. They don't really mean anything. The very first time I ever saw this thought, I was aware that it wasn't me. I was like what? That is not me, that's not me. And how long has that thought been playing unwatched? I didn't even see it until I was apparently around 40 years old. I'm pretty sure that thought was playing unwatched since I've been a kid. It sounds like a kid thought to me. It sounds like a thought that came up when I was a kid. Sounds like a thought that came up when I was a kid. But see, this is what Jesus is pointing.

Speaker 1: 1:36:21

It's a same oh yeah, she's saying it's the same, get me out of here. But see, here's the thing they didn't even originate in time. These thoughts didn't originate in time. They originate with the thought of separation. It's really the thought of separation. So it's not like it goes back to some childhood thing or something like that. It's just that in the illusion of time. This is how much it's been playing out repetitively, with being unwatched because of the fear of watching them. So now that I don't have any fear of watching my mind which it's been quite a few years now, and I've been watching it more and more and more where I could just bring it out, I could just say it to you guys. Right, it's like this is what occurs. These are errant thoughts. They can bring on feelings if they're followed. If they're not followed, then you don't get any bad moods or anything. I was talking with Thomas about that too.

Speaker 1: 1:37:20

He's like yeah, I know, I was talking with Thomas about that too and I go. Here's the thing about me I don't get bad moods because I watch my mind. I see these thoughts and I see that they're not true. If I find myself in a bad mood, you know what happened. I believed I probably didn't see the thought. I didn't see it, I wasn't watching it and I just believed it. But because my mind is so transparent to me okay, my mind is so transparent to me I'm using these thoughts to demonstrate to myself that the illusion isn't true. I just keep on having a good time. Oh, that's going to make me have an even better time. Oh, it gets even more sexual now, right, and it's like truly. And it's like truly, I don't have my own boundaries.

Speaker 1: 1:38:24

Kalama said I love the way you are unpacking this today. You know what the funny thing is, kalama? I do not know what the fuck I'm doing. I came up here and I sat down and, first of all, everything was blurry and I felt really weird. I felt like I was on a psychedelic of some sort. I don't know, did someone roofing my drink around here? No, no, I'm just kidding. No one was even here. I was here by myself. Apparently I was only drinking water, except for coffee in the morning earlier. Yeah, the thing is, when I sit here, I know it's going to be fun, I know it's going to be edgy, but I don't know exactly how it's going to go. I don't know what's going to go on and how this is, and even how anyone's going to perceive it, and you know when it comes to that it and you know when it comes to that. Of course I've had people perceiving. You know I don't like it when you talk about me on wisdom dialogues. I don't want that and it's like okay, well, here's the thing.

Speaker 3: 1:39:55

If you don't want me to talk about you on wisdom dialogues, don't hang out with me.

Speaker 1: 1:40:04

That's all. That's my advice. Don't hang out with me, because that is what goes on. This is, this is my thing. You know, when I first moved into um my friends, uh, my friend's place when I moved in at Seaview, the first moved out of um, that my first thing moved out of my house in HPP. Oh, my gosh, first wisdom dialogues, first wisdom dialogues. You know what goes on. I share my experience. I don't even know what I'm going to share ahead of time. I have no idea. I have no idea. I have no clue what's going to come out. I don't have no plan. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:40:48

Some people didn't like it. So, oh, yeah, to the tune of starting a group with about 100 and some odd people from around the area to control me, get me to stop doing stuff like that. Yeah, it was awesome, I loved it. Yeah, it was awesome. So I just replied on the group. It was a Facebook messenger group. Aloha, everyone. Just to let everyone know this is a condition for me living anywhere.

Speaker 1: 1:41:20

I talk about my life, I talk about everything. That's just what I do. And I told her I'm willing to move out. She's like, never mind, we're okay. And you know, if everything is looked at as helpful, which for me, from my, from my point of view, it is. It's always helpful if everyone's, if everything's looked at in as helpful. What I notice is it helps everyone else see it as helpful too, because we are not these personalities. There is nothing to protect here, there is nothing, and also I'm not sharing in a way that's condemning anyone. No one's ever doing anything wrong. It's beautiful, it's absolutely beautiful for me.

Speaker 1: 1:42:27

Conversation about going to the edge to test the edges of sex and food, all the subjects yeah Right, it's like, hey, woo, I'm not married anymore. Now I can test all the edges of sex, but I was always testing the edges of food. In fact, that's one thing that helped with Thomas, you know, because I was like, hey, you know, fat is something that's like really awesome to be eating, it's sensuous and stuff like that. And, like you know, apparently I'm in like really good shape, especially if you say for someone over 50, apparently I'm in really good shape, okay, not not like overweight or anything like that. And and you know, like pretty, uh, pretty toned too, and I'm like I've been doing this for 20 years, this much fat. So it's like that is definitely helpful for someone to go. Oh well, you didn't just start this like, no, I've been doing.

Speaker 1: 1:43:42

I, and you know I was on to it early on too, because early on, when everyone was doing was working out, I was like a battle of the bulge person from the time I was like 14. It seemed like anyone. Anything I ate made me fat, no matter how hard I tried, I'd always have some pudge on me, you know. So it started to evolve when I was in my 20s and I go, you know what I'm getting the sense that it's all energy, and I was already getting the sense of that. It's the way energy passes through this energy field. I couldn't articulate that, but I was already getting that sense. It's the way energy passes through this energy field. So I started to look at that and then I started to experiment.

Speaker 1: 1:44:33

I worked in an office, I worked in a law firm and I went to lunch every day when I worked in a law firm. So what I would do is try to eat low-fat. For years I'd try to do like I'd go out and I'd get broccoli. How old was I? About 26. I'd get broccoli and I'd get rice, you know, and some low-fat chicken breast, some dry-ass chicken breast. This is my meal that I thought was healthy. Some dry chicken breast, rice and broccoli. Anyone relate with that? Some 80s healthy food right. Some people are still on that. I'm like man, you're from the 80s the 80s food right Some people are still on that.

Speaker 3: 1:45:15

I'm like man, you're in.

Speaker 1: 1:45:16

You're from the eighties, the eighties, lean cuisine. There we go, yeah, yeah. So I was just start to experiment and I would eat, like that. I come back to my desk and I feel tired and bloated and so, uh, and so I'm just watching. Um, you know that this is a thing to just be observing things, right, just being observance. So I went out to lunch with a friend another time and we went to Mediterranean food and I wasn't. I just was like, okay, I'm just going to eat what I want to eat today. I'm not going to try to be on a diet, I'm going to eat whatever I want to eat, what I wanted to eat.

Speaker 1: 1:45:56

This was my first experiment with like okay, can I go against the grain of what society is saying is healthy and going to make me thin, right? So I experimented with something. I don't remember what it was. I remember it being a fatty meat, because I prefer that to chicken breast. Chicken breast sounds like punishment. It may have been lamb. There was definitely lots of fat in the meal. And then I went back and I noticed I wasn't bloated and I felt fine. I didn't feel tired, bloated and I felt fine. I didn't feel tired. So I go oh, I just perked right up.

Speaker 1: 1:46:38

Maybe it's true what I thought when I was 17. A thought occurred to me when I was 17. What if everything that you enjoyed eating was actually good and healthy for you? And then, so here I am like almost 10 years later, and I'm going wait a second, I'm going to try this. So I started doing that. I started just eating the things. I started going out to this French cafe where they had like a shot of espresso and just as much cream, heavy cream on top of it, and you'd actually drink the espresso through the heavy cream on top of it and you'd actually drink the espresso through the heavy cream. And I was just enjoying my meals so much and I was noticing that I was feeling way better and actually some of that pudge was going away.

Speaker 1: 1:47:27

So it's like it's like testing these different things, testing these different edges and seeing like how can I experience more sensuality without having to? When we think of sensuality, we think of needing another body or something in particular body or something in particular. It's really just with the ability that you're always given and the right to make a preference for something that feels good. In the same way, it's the right to decline anything that doesn't feel in alignment with your energy. You always have that right to decline anything that doesn't feel in alignment with your energy, right? You always have that right to decline it.

Speaker 1: 1:48:15

And for me, here's one thing that I noticed too with this experimentation with sexual energy is I'm way more likely to feel like oh, okay, I want to see like how this goes. You know, maybe I'm not feeling a yes or a no. It's not always cut and dried like that. It's kind of like a let's see, I'm not sure Right. And it's like, really, if someone comes up and they're like kissing you with their tongue or something like that, it's not like the actual kissing with the tongue. That's the part it's like are you going to engage that? Are you really going to engage that? You know, and basically you start kissing back or not. It's simple like that. You don't even have to tell anyone anything. It's just kind of like oh, it's energy, it's all energy thing. It's just kind of like oh, it's energy, it's all energy.

Speaker 1: 1:49:20

I did tell the cute little cartel guy over in Ajijic. I had my own cartel guy right outside the door. He's a cartel drug dealer. He's always right out there. He's like a young dude, he's probably like in his 20s or something, and he's always telling me he loves me. And so I started hugging him and I started kissing him and then he went to stick his tongue in my mouth and I just go oh, no, no, that's not what I meant by it. He's like OK, OK, ok, and he just stopped doing that altogether. And he doesn't speak any English either. He could just tell by the energy. I was like oh, I think he got the wrong impression. But you know, I'm more likely to decline like, like in a cut and dried way. I'm more likely to decline when anyone wants to play with me in a manipulative way. When I'm recognizing that something's manipulative, I'm like oh no, thank you right then, uh, you know, I'm more more likely to decline.

Speaker 1: 1:50:34

It's just like, oh, no, thank you, and just like and just like no, I exit that whole conversation. It's just not even um, interesting to me. That's like really fast. Durga is writing me, says I feel supported by your remarkable transparency. You laugh at murderous thoughts, thoughts I share deeply. I have never experienced a teacher so real, inspiring and transformational. Thank you. You are talking about it in a way that's rare and great. That's from Kalama. Thank you, my love. Yeah, like I said, I don't know what I'm doing. I am really just devoted to the truth and as I'm talking to you guys, I'm hearing what it is that's coming out. There's that too. Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:51:34

What's Glenn saying? Nobody has a choice in what they perceive their elf doing? Hooray, oh, thank you, glenn, I love that. That's so good. Yeah, nobody. It's like whatever you perceive yourself doing, that's perfect, that's the rule. If you perceive yourself having a, that's perfect, that's the role. If you perceive yourself having a preference, playing out a preference, having a boundary, not having a boundary, that's all the role. That's all the role you're playing, then he says I love you, freaking idiot. I love you too. He loves me, he loves me big. Thank you, glenn. I appreciate you. Thank you, yeah, I'm sure you know, if I was identified as an ego which I'm not, that's why I can let it flow there would be.

Speaker 1: 1:52:41

This would be hard, this would be difficult. That's why people watch this and go oh my gosh, that's a lot of transparency. Yeah, yeah, it would be difficult if I'm identified as an ego, and you know, I've heard from my friends too. You know I'm like is that difficult for you? And my friends will go yes, but I'm devoted to awakening, so I love it, right, and you know it's like the more you recognize that you're not an ego. Anything that arises, anything that is said, any experience that is had to, becomes perfect. Any experience that is had becomes perfect. I noticed that for myself.

Speaker 1: 1:53:46

I got to play it out really good when I was in Puna back in 2018 or so. My daughter was going around Puna basically telling people what a fucking terrible person I am, while I'm having wisdom dialogues too I'm having wisdom dialogues every week and my daughter's over and saying stuff about me being a terrible person, and she even tells me she goes. Mom, I'm sorry. Even tells me she goes. Mom, I'm sorry. I have been talking about you in a really bad way to a lot of people and I'm sorry about that because I know it's ruining wisdom dialogues and I go. No, it's not, I go.

Speaker 1: 1:54:26

It's the best for wisdom dialogues. You're the best. Keep on doing what you're doing. This is perfect for it. And you know it's like every week I would show up and sometimes people would have questions about it. They'd be like hey, your daughter, though, she's talking like that and like that, and I'm like, I'm glad she's expressing herself.

Speaker 1: 1:54:46

It's perfect for me. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Whatever it is, it's perfect for me. Exactly what I'm talking about. Whatever it is, it's perfect for me. I'm not trying to change the illusion. This is what's coming up lately too. It's like, whatever it is that seems to be coming up in the perception, it's perfect. It's perfect for me. Whatever I seem to do, I'm not walking on eggshells, trying to be the perfect person that no one gets mad at. If anyone needs to be mad at me, that's perfect for me. That is perfect for me. That's perfect for me. That is perfect for me.

Speaker 1: 1:55:33

You know people ask me they're like well, if you're like that, how are your relationships? My relationships are great. I don't make anyone a victim, not even making them a victim of myself. That's ridiculous. I'm not capable of doing or saying anything wrong. I don't buy into that stuff. Thank you, kalama. Kalama says we are powerful beings and you saying it like this gives us power to be ourselves and free. Yeah, of course that's what I want. Because you are me, because you are me, I know I can handle whatever kind of perception I get from being this transparent. I can handle any perception. You know I can handle any perception of any person, anywhere.

Speaker 1: 1:56:25

Anyhow, you know, early on, my husband got the perception that I was saying things that he would not like on wisdom dialogue. So he just never came and never listened Right. And then, once I separated from him, he started coming and I talk about him too, right there, and he'd go. I get it. This is awesome. We're seeing through the illusion. We're seeing through the illusion. We're seeing past the illusion. This is what we're doing together. It's not a matter of the behavior or anything like that being the thing. It's the thought. It's the thought. It's the thought, the ego thought that actually is meaningless.

Speaker 1: 1:57:20

So recently, when we were doing some ACIM deep dives, jesus was very adamant about your mind is unwatched. Your mind is unwatched. Watch your mind. When you watch it, you're going to find stuff in there that you don't want to look at. Look at it and you'll see stuff. When you start looking at it, like for me, I want to look at it, I get a kick out of it. I'm like, oh really, that's the way it's presenting it. That's the way it's presenting it. That's the way it's presenting it now.

Speaker 1: 1:57:55

Okay, I'm going to go soon. It's after five. I love you guys. Kalama, you have one last comment for me here. Guided by Course in Miracles, the wisdom dialogues is a perfect match, no matter if you know what you're doing, thank you. Thank you for that comment. I love you. Okay, so I'll be back on Wednesday. That's two days from now. Same time, 3 pm. This is when we're doing it. 3 to 5 pm and same channel, and I love you so much. Go to hopejohnsonorg. You can donate there. If you like my work, go over there and donate. This is 100% funded by donations and sweet peeps like Thomas being so generous with me here. Let's see what else One-to-ones I offer one-to-ones there and you can. If you're listening to this later, you can go there to find the Zoom link. To come on with me on Zoom. So until next time, yay. So, juicy, yes, mahalo Aloha and a hui hou, yay, bye, thank you.