Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues
Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues
A Course in Miracles Deep Dive - Chapter 2, Section XI, Paragraph 14 to 15 - Release from Deadlock
Have you ever felt caught in a mental deadlock, trying to reconcile your spiritual nature with worldly fears? In this illuminating episode of ACIM Deep Dive, we explore the profound concept of how the mind creates conflict by attempting to hold both truth and illusion simultaneously.
When we believe that both the power of creation (which is real, eternal, and of God) and miscreation (which has no effects but seems to generate fear) can coexist, we experience a paralyzing deadlock. Jesus teaches us that this level confusion—treating illusion as if it's on the same level as truth—is the source of nearly all suffering.
The resolution comes through a radical recognition: "The conflict cannot disappear until it is fully recognized that miscreation is not real and therefore there is no conflict." This isn't spiritual bypassing; it's seeing through the illusion while allowing whatever arises to pass through your awareness.
Through practical examples and personal stories, we explore how to distinguish between inappropriate denial (pretending conflict isn't there) and healing recognition (acknowledging feelings while seeing they have no power). We discover that nothing fearful exists in God's creation, and fear only becomes "real" when we assign reality to illusion.
Perhaps most liberating is Jesus's assurance that though we have miscreated "in a very genuine sense," we "need neither continue to do so nor suffer from past errors." Our miscreations were undone the instant they occurred, and now we're simply accepting the correction that's already complete.
Ready to break free from mental conflict and experience the peace that comes from knowing what's real? Listen now and remember to laugh at what never was.
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Aloha and welcome to ACIM Deep Dive with Hope Johnson. Today we are in Chapter 2. This is the complete and annotated edition. It's a purplish book. You do not need to have that book to do this with me, but if you want to, it's in that book. It's chapter two and it's section 11. That's Roman numeral 11. And we're starting today on paragraph 14.
Speaker 2:So let's just do a little tune in a little prayer. Invite Jesus into our midst for this, yeah, thank you to everyone who's here with us now and everyone who's listening in the now that we call later from this point. Thank you, jesus, we love you. Thank you for being with us this point. Thank you, jesus, we love you. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for this beautiful channeling and thank you for helping us interpret it in the light of truth. Yay, amen. My prayer is always gratitude. I love that because it's just it, recognizing that there's no issue, nothing's gone wrong, everything is exactly as it should be. Thank you, thanks for joining on Substack 2. Thank you, wayne and Gary, I love you. Okay, let's get to it.
Speaker 2:So, paragraph 14, sentence one Jesus is talking about a deadlock here. Okay, so in the pages leading up to this sentence, jesus is describing a conflict in the mind, he's calling a deadlock, and that arises when the mind believes both truth and illusion at the same time. Okay, so here's what the split is like. There's the power of creation, which is real, it's of God and it's eternal, and then there's belief in miscreation, which doesn't have any effects but seems to generate fear and distortion. You like the word seems to, seems to generate fear and distortion. These things are not possible actually. Okay, so when both of these are held as if they can coexist, the mind is caught in this state of paralysis. Okay, it's unable to move toward the truth because it's holding both of these things as if they're. They're both two realities One is a reality, one is not a reality. Okay, so it's like you're. It's like you're unable to move toward the truth, but you're also unable to sustain illusion. It's a paralysis. This is what Jesus is calling deadlock. Okay, the first deadlock. Earlier in this section, he outlined a form of deadlock, he said, when the mind accepts the power of fear while also believing in the power of love, since they both can't be true. Trying to honor both leaves the mind unable to proceed in either direction. See, fear appears to have power. See, fear appears to have power, but that quote power is only in the mind's misapplied creative energy, and that's only now Misapplied creative energy. Okay, so now to the first sentence. You know, I just gave that as a background about this deadlock, because he's talking about this In the first sentence.
Speaker 2:In paragraph 14, it says a similar deadlock occurs when both the power of creation and of miscreation coexist. So creation is your real function in God. Your real function in God is extending love, truth and reality. That's the real function in God. Your real function in God is extending love, truth and reality. That's the real function in God.
Speaker 2:Miscreation is the mind's belief that it can make, unlike God, illusions, fear, attack, separation. When you try to make both of those true at once, it's like you're locked in this double allegiance. You ever read that verse in the Bible about the person trying to ride two horses? It's kind of like that. So the result is this sense of it's, just like this ongoing sense of conflict, guilt, strain. It feels like you're stuck because it's like neither one of them is working for you. Truth isn't working, illusion isn't working because it's trying, the ego is trying to hold both of them at the same time, as if they can coexist.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the power of creation is something that never leaves you. That's God's gift, that's the way God created you, and you know it says in A Course in Miracles. So many times it's in so many of the lessons you are as God created you. That's all. The world is always going to try to convince you that you got somewhere to go to be. As God created you. You got to do something different. You're offending someone in some way, and it's as if as soon as no one's offended, you're there as soon as no one's offended by you. You made it, you made it so. So the power to miscreate is not a real power at all. It's a power that we make up. Okay, so when you believe in it, it totally seems to operate, not just in yourself but in other people, and you know it's like when you believe miscreation is possible, you're even going to try to defend your position that other people are miscreating. Isn't that so fun?
Speaker 2:That's a good one. And if you believe in miscreation, when people reflect to you that you're miscreating, you're going to believe them Right? Oh, oh shit, they caught me miscreating. Guess I got to change something Right. I guess I got to change something right.
Speaker 2:So the Holy Spirit resolves this by just showing that miscreation has no real effects and miscreation is really. It's believing that you can miscreate. That's really what it is. It's belief in sin. It's belief that sin is possible for you.
Speaker 2:But look how this has to go completely across the board, for every person, every situation. If you want to see that you're incapable of miscreation, you got to extend that. That has to be extended all across the board, to everyone in your past, to everyone you know. Everyone in your past is now whatever anyone seems to be, even a corporation that seems to be doing it wrong, a political figure that seems to be doing it wrong. You got to be willing to extend that to every single part of creation. That miscreation isn't possible before you can see it in yourself and then that'll resolve all conflict in your mind. That's living the happy dream, because it's really just circular, believing that you miscreated and you're going to get better. See that You're bound to do it again. You can't help it. I mean bound as in chained by your own volition to keep doing it again. At some point you're going to just recognize that that's not even possible.
Speaker 2:I'm having a dream. I'm having a dream that miscreation is possible. No one can miscreate, including myself. So it has no real effects. And this recognition, ignition, frees the mind to align with only creation, only Right. This is the duality that we think there's light and dark. We think there's creation and miscreation. We think there's I am and becoming at the same time. See, all right, so let's go. Let me check on you guys. All right, doing good, you're always doing awesome. I'm just checking if you got any hands or any comments. Oh, there's thomas. Yes, my love.
Speaker 3:So what? Two words come up, but let's just do one at a time. So the word appropriate came up. Yes, and I get caught by that. I think things are either appropriate or not appropriate I love it I know what you're saying. There's no such thing as appropriate, and if you're not liking what's going on in front of you, you have the total choice of leaving. So you don't need to change somebody by telling them that's not appropriate.
Speaker 2:That's right, yep, yep. So what Thomas is talking about there's no like this is an ego assessment saying that any kind of behavior or anything is appropriate or inappropriate. Right, this is one of those things that says it's possible to miscreate. Both of those words really don't make any sense in reality, because all behavior is an effect, anyways, of thinking and your interpretation of another person's behavior is also an effect of your thinking. We don't see them as they are. We don't see anyone as they are right, and when we think of words yes, thank you, we see them as we are right, yeah, or as we believe we are really. So even thinking in these kinds of terms is like what's appropriate, what's inappropriate. That's thinking with the ego.
Speaker 2:See, for me it's gratitude. It goes to gratitude when I perceive something and I don't get the sense that anything's inappropriate. I get the sense more like, hmm, do I want that or not? And I'll just look at it with the Holy Spirit and be looking at it with the Holy Spirit and knowing that, wherever I find myself in, whatever situation, whatever thoughts are arising, those are just perfect for me to express what's true. This is the means I've been given, this is the role that I find myself in, I bless myself and I bless all of my brothers, right? So it's not like someone says, well, here's what I'm going to do to you, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to call the cops on you. Let's say, or something like that, and it's like OK, well, maybe I get the sense. I don't particularly want them to call the cops on me. Who knows what I'm doing? Maybe I'm smoking weed where I'm not supposed to be, you know. But it's like but, but it's like I. I honor that. Whatever it is that arises and whatever it is that they feel like they need to do, it's honored. It's just like anything that arises in my field, anything anyone feels like they need to do or say or anything like that. It's like. I know I can handle it because I made it up anyways, and it's the means for expressing love. So, yes, nothing is appropriate or inappropriate. That definitely speaks to guilt.
Speaker 2:So sentence two this is experienced as conflict only because the individual feels as if both were occurring at the same level. Okay, so the conflict that it's talking about, this is experienced as conflict. The conflict isn't between real powers. Creation is real, miscreation is not real. That's what it's talking about, but the individual, it says, but the individual. Or because the individual, the mind, identified with separation, feels as though both are equally real and operating at the same level. So this is what it says in the text Because the individual feels as if both were occurring at the same level. That's a false equivalence. It makes an experience of conflict an experience of conflict. That's the false equivalent that these are at the same level.
Speaker 2:So the key point here is that if creation and miscreation were actually on the same level, right, god would be opposed, god would be dualistic, god would be changeable. This is impossible. The illusion is not on the same level as God. The perception of conflict comes from trying to equate God's reality, which is creation, with the ego's illusion, miscreation. So here's the practicality of it. So here's the practicality of it.
Speaker 2:When we're feeling any sense of conflict, guilt or any sense of confusion, let's say the sense we've been inappropriate or we've perceived someone else being inappropriate, it's because we've placed illusion on the same level as truth. So here's an example I want to trust God, but I also think I have to protect myself from loss. I want to trust God, but it also seems like I have to control someone else's behavior right, so it's placing them on the same level. So the conflict comes from treating the two thought systems as if they're both valid options, like I can choose God or I can choose self-preservation, self-protection right, as if these are like on the same level. One is totally untrue, it just takes you into dreaming and one reveals the joy and the light that you are to yourself, to yourself. So the Holy Spirit resolves us by, resolves this whole conflict, by reminding us this is the Holy Spirit's mind that says only creation is real, only creation is real, only creation is real. Also says miscreation has no true effects, these are not in competition, there's no competition. Yay, yay, everyone.
Speaker 3:Aloha Lynn, I love you. That's right. That's what I just got is even by feeling it as a problem.
Speaker 2:I'm identifying with separation. That's right, you got it so simple.
Speaker 3:At that moment, then you need to go right to Lord. You're listening, that's real. This isn't real. I don't need to spend my time on that and you upsetaring.
Speaker 2:That is such a good point right there. So what Thomas is talking about now is, whenever there's any sense that anything is wrong, the self is wrong, anyone else is wrong, anything like that. You do not need to even spend any time on it, you don't need to be evaluating it. How can I get better? How can I get a better? For instance, how can I get someone to have a better perception of me? I want them to see me, I want them to understand me, anything like that. You don't need to spend any time on that at all. All the right people that you need to see you and not see you, and whatever, are arising perfectly for the awakening of the mind. It's kind of like your task is to see it all as perfect for the undoing and not as anything else, not as anything limited, yourself and all others. So hooray, thank you, thomas. Okay, sentence three. He believes in what he has miscreated in his own unconscious and he naturally believes it is real because he made it.
Speaker 1:That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I know, isn't it so good? I love how Jesus puts it in such a ridiculous term like this. So the mind is believing in its own illusion. And the thing is, the mind is also saying it's not an illusion, it's the truth, it's really happening. But first before that, it's believing in its own illusion, strong enough to make it as if it's just being thrust upon it, like, look, it looks like you were born into a world that was already here when you busted out of your mom's womb, right, like it was already here. It wasn't. You're actually offering it as you go along, but first, before you're even having that experience of coming out into the world, you're making the thought of separation so true to you that you could actually believe that this could happen and make it and make it seem really real. So, even though they're not real, these illusions are super convincing because the mind thinks I made this, therefore it must exist. That speaks to creation, because when you take the thought of separation away, all of your creations not only exist, they're eternal, right With the thought of separation, then you're dreaming that you made something, though, because with the thought of separation there, you're just dreaming. You can't be creating anything.
Speaker 2:I made this. This is why this world seems so real. I made this, for instance. I made these. Someone brought up forever wars to me today. I made these forever wars. Therefore, they must exist. They're really going on out there. Gosh, the world out there is so scary, I'm authoring it the whole time. It's great.
Speaker 2:So this is the ego's logic that creation and miscreation can have equal standing. You know, once you go on the spiritual path and you're aware of creation, the ego's like yeah, but I still have to live in this world. Really, isn't the world living in you, though? Isn't the world actually living in you? And you know, this is how A Course in Miracles is actually going toward. You can actually see how the world is living in you, and you can be completely at peace with it and at one with it, in a way where you're aware that it's not speaking to anything. True, it's really.
Speaker 2:You know, that tiny mad idea that separation is possible, and we forgot to laugh. Each of these ends in laughter, each of these threads of illusion. So the unconscious here? So it talks about the unconscious. He believes in what he has miscreated in his own unconscious. This is referring to a repository of denied guilt, the ego's favorite, the unconscious. We talked about this earlier and earlier. Acim deep dives about how the issue is that the mind is unwatched because you're afraid of what you're going to find there. It's an unwatched mind, this repository of denied guilt. So, because of denying guilt, we're projecting it outward as if someone, something, is doing things wrong and imposing it on us. This is how we keep it denied, by defending the idea that what we see that shouldn't be there, that shouldn't be the way it is, is actually outside of itself, right?
Speaker 1:Yes, he loves, he loves this, I love it.
Speaker 3:Well, it's really an interesting concept. If I'm the creator of something, I'm going to defend it. Yes, because I create a product Right. Then I'm going to say no, it works like this, it's really a good product. My defending is I made it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So, again, if I made this illusion, if I made this world Right, of course I'm going to defend it. Yes, because it it. Yes, it's my creation. Yes, that's like like it's mine, so don't try to mess with it. Yeah, but I'm getting what you're saying. If we can see it for what it is, we're just playing it. Nothing's really mine to defend yes and I didn't really create it either no, you didn't.
Speaker 2:You made it up and see that the thing about it being make believe it's just like a nighttime dream. When you wake up, it's a poof and see, even while we're still perceiving with our body's senses as if things are separate, like you guys are sitting over there and I'm sitting over here, you can live the happy dream through the recognition that you don't want to defend illusions anymore and you don't have to. It's your right to not defend these illusions. It's your right to, no matter what you're getting a perception of, no matter what body sense is reacting to it, that you're willing to look through it and recognize the Son of God and God in everything.
Speaker 1:That's the truth. It's like how you're saying it, it depends on the illusion. That just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Depends on the truth.
Speaker 3:Which means we need to know our identity, because that would be the truth, that's what we are. If we come from that place, then yeah, there's nothing. We can just be it, but, like you were saying, it's both at the same time. That's where it gets confusing.
Speaker 2:That's where it gets confusing, because it's not both. This is what Jesus is talking about the level confusion. So God's will and creation is at one level and ego, illusion, is at another level. When you try to make them even, it's as if you can really choose one or the other. The reason why in A Course in Miracles it says when you choose illusion, nothing is happening. Your mind is blank. See, that's talking about those levels, the level confusion. When you think they're on the same level, it's as if it's equal. To choose one or the other, it's not equal. One's creation, one's, totally nothing. And it doesn't matter. It has no effects.
Speaker 2:So you cannot get it wrong. All you can do is waste time, which isn't right or wrong. And the reason why Jesus calls it, what's that? That's the deadlock, right, that's the deadlock. The reason why Jesus calls it what's that? That's the deadlock, right, that's the deadlock.
Speaker 2:The reason why Jesus calls it wasting time? Because in that moment you're not using your life to collapse time. So Jesus would have you use time specifically for collapsing time. And if you're doing anything else with it, he's saying you're wasting time because you're projecting more time in which you need more lifetimes, birth and death to play it out Right, which you really don't want. You want to go to God as fast as possible. You want to use the life for collapsing time. So, hooray, all right. So, hooray, all right.
Speaker 2:So the, the denied guilt, the repository of denied guilt, that's the part of the mind where the belief in separation is buried, okay, and that's that's where all of the projections arise. So look, as long as we're perceiving as a body, other bodies we're perceiving that we're subject to, we're going to perceive this guilt coming up. We don't have to identify it. We could have a good-ass time with it. The whole thing is, we forgot to laugh. We forgot to laugh. That's all it is. It's like let it come up into the light of truth, like even the sense, like, oh my God, this person is totally taking advantage of me right now. Let's say that it's coming up so you can laugh about it. That's impossible. It's only coming up because you thought it was possible. You thought it was possible for you to take advantage of someone and you thought it was possible for someone else to take advantage of you. This is your opportunity to laugh.
Speaker 2:What I love is I trust my brothers, who are one with me. That's one of the ACIM lessons of the day, one of my favorite ones. You know, people ask me one friend saw another friend just grab me and he's a large dude and you know she gets a sense that he has a big sexual energy and he just like picks me up and I'm small compared to him and he's like holding me like that and I'm laughing and then he puts me down and she's like how can you handle that strong sexual energy? And I'm like right out of my mouth, right? I mean I trust my brothers, who are one with me. It's not like I'm trying to. I'm trying to cover it up.
Speaker 2:Yes, I notice it. Yes, I feel it. Yes, there's a sense of oh fuck, what is he doing right now? And then I trust my brothers, who are one with me. I'm in command of all. I'm in command of all things. He actually can't do something to me that I don't want him to do. That's what I know. It's like, you know, someone was asking me when I was in Mexico walking down the street at one in the morning what are you going to do if someone?
Speaker 1:just pops out and grabs you and I go. You know the first thing that?
Speaker 2:comes to mind is.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to wrap my arms and legs around them. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2:Because it's like we're having a. We're having a dream. You know I've had an irs agent. Ask me are you afraid of me? You know she's coming in for an audit and and, and I go. No, I'm not afraid of you, because you can't give me anything I don't need right, including recommending jail for taking so many write-offs. Apparently, that's not possible. You can take all the write-offs you want, just little IRS advice. By the way, I have no authority to give that advice.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the unconscious, which is that repository of guilt? Right, it projects miscreations outward. Like there's always a problem for this guy. Right, there's always a problem. That's what I noticed.
Speaker 2:I start looking as I'm moving around. It seems like there's always a complaint will come up, like where I'm living. It's just not perfect in some way, like it'll always pop up with something, and then my really fun job in that is to perceive what it is and have a laugh at it. One of them was when it seemed like I was in prison. Where I was living, there were bars in the windows and also the landlords were kind of like parents, like they're monitoring all the people that come in. One chick spends a night with me, like nights in a row and then they want her ID and stuff like that. So I get the sense. I just get a sense Wow, this feels like prison. That's exactly it. That's what I'm talking about. That's where it is. I get the sense that this is something that's offensive, let's say inappropriate, anything like that. It's like that's where it is. That's where the laughter comes in, right in the minutia of the experience. Any kind of idea that my landlords are doing it wrong just gets brought to the truth and it's met with gratitude. These people are met with gratitude. Right, and the story? You know the stories that come up. They're hilarious, they're fun for laughing about. That's really what they're for. So all right.
Speaker 2:So the belief in authorship apart from God is the root error. The ego's argument is if I made it, it must be real. But this confuses making, which is illusory, with creating, which is real. Only God creates reality and then we're given the authority to create like God. We're not given authority to make illusions. We give that authority to ourselves and that's why it's a dream. So the belief that making equals and creating is what's sustaining the conflict. These are not equals. One's real and one's an illusion. So, practically noticing when you feel something disturbing like this is actually happening to me. This is an issue that's the ego saying I made it, therefore it must be real.
Speaker 2:So, instead of believing what you made is real, you can choose to recognize that because you made it apart from God. How do you know? If you made it apart from God, it doesn't feel good, she knows, and this is why we can see this contrast. That's why that's why you know Liz. Yeah, so I just met Liz and she's like I picked up A Course in Miracles in April and then I haven't suffered since then. A Course in Miracles in April, and then I haven't suffered since then, and really, in reality, you have never suffered at all. It's kind of like it just clues your mind into who is suffering what, what's going on, right? So it's like because you made it apart from God, meaning it doesn't feel good, it can't be real. Sometimes I say that to people and they're like what, what I'm like? If you don't like it, it's not real. Like actually, like actually factually. If you don't like it, it's not actually real.
Speaker 1:That's even simpler.
Speaker 2:Is that just so simple? Yeah, it must not be real. I'm having a dream so you can come back to reality. You can get a different interpretation that brings you back to reality. Okay, so this is loosening the grip of fear and restoring your awareness to the real choice that you have.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So sentence four? Okay, so sentence four. He thus places himself in a position where the fearful becomes real. So by believing in what he has miscreated, anything that's giving you an upset, feeling like even that there is war, let's say, for instance, that's you giving reality to fear. There is, if you don't like it. Do you like war? You think about it, see how it feels. You like it If you, you know, you say I don't like that. Why can't people just get along? It must not be real, you've made it up. So the individual, the one that thinks that they're a reality, apart from God, gives reality to fear. This is not you. It's not because fear is real, it's because the mind is invested in it with belief and authority. Authority meaning underneath the surface, your mind is going I made it, so it must be real, right. But then it's going I didn't make it, this is put on me, but underneath that it's the authority, it's that authorship that wants to defend it.
Speaker 3:The mind, in effect, is saying this has power over me, right, yes, this is really disturbing, because I've spent my whole life trying to be honest about my fear, and then because being honest at least I'm not hiding it, and then it goes back to childhood, it goes back to wounds and I make that real. So following fear isn't really the right thing to do. Following fear just is following the illusion.
Speaker 2:Following fear is following the illusion. Right and see, right. See, the ego wants you to spend a lot of time chasing fear. There's really nothing to do, so it gives the ego nothing to do. There's nothing to chase here. The fear is fear that you're projecting right now. There's only now, and you're holding the thought of separation now.
Speaker 2:Remember some of our previous deep dives where Jesus is talking about Freud and all those other guys, how they missed the mark because they were chasing this thing backwards in time as if it originated in time. It did not originate in time, it originated outside of time. And that's now where you're propping up the sense of separation and you want to be released of it now, right, but the ego has a plan for you to go through certain steps, and one of them that people get caught up with is closure, wanting closure, right. And so it's like I can't feel okay unless that person reflects to me that we're okay. It's like we don't need another person's reflection really to see that we're okay, to see that we're more than okay. We're the holy, sinless Son of God, right, that he loves very much, and to be in His embrace is not to be concerned with any manifestation that you get of someone else making you okay. Okay, I approve of you, I approve of you. Actually, you can say in this case, perceiving disapproval can be more potent than perceiving approval, because perceiving disapproval, you can see what you're making, feel what you're feeling by perceiving that disapproval and bring it to the truth. Right, you just notice, just notice, wow, I'm making them disapprove of me. So I can get this feeling right now. And it's not even true. God is god more than approves of me. I'm just like god. I'm created in his image. I'm created perfect. So the mind is, in effect, saying this has power over me.
Speaker 2:So that makes a fear, the fearful, what's fearful to the mind, seem real in experience, even though it's in truth. It's totally nothing. It's. It seems real in experience. Well, a lot of things what people like to say is it's real, like to validate feelings that are apart from God. Actually, they're not real, those feelings apart from God. They're speaking to unreality. And then people go well, isn't the experience real? No, not an experience of fear, it's not real. You're dreaming. It's not a real thing. It's not a reality. Anything seems to be threatening, anything seems to be wrong. That is not real.
Speaker 2:So this is how projection works. Whatever was denied in the unconscious fear, attack, guilt it gets projected outward and then perceived as if it's objectively real. So then the mind is reacting to its own miscreations, forgetting it's the author. And that's how the mind keeps forgetting that it's the author, by projecting it outward, like once I get better, once I become a better person, people are going to like me more, for instance. So then they're striving to become this better person while keeping all these things in the unconscious right. There is really no better person than you can be, because you're the perfect manifestation of everything that needs to be seen. Now this is being brought to light right now. This is perfect, one thing you can totally adopt, if you like.
Speaker 2:I heard this from another teacher named Sage, and it was just simply I love that about myself. I love that about myself. It's like leaving it in God's hands. Let God, let the Holy Spirit, let Jesus direct how this image is used for awakening the mind and trust that it's being used perfectly all the time. So nothing fearful exists in God's creation, and the only way the fearful ever becomes real to you quotes becomes real because it's to you only it's not real is by assigning reality to illusion. So this is, uh, why acim repeats projection makes perception.
Speaker 2:I want it this way. Yeah, and, and you know it's like here. Here's the thing you know Liz shared to suffer when it comes to any interpretation that arises in my mind or any perception or anything like that. When I recognize I want it this way, I take on what the Holy Spirit would have me do with it, which is extend love, true forgiveness. Right, I want it this way. And what I think is happening isn't happening. What I thought happened didn't happen. What I thought they did, they didn't do. This is how I want it.
Speaker 2:Fear doesn't really exist. It's just a choice to misperceive. It's a choice. So anytime anything fearful arises, guilt, anything like that am I treating something fearful as if it's real? Really simple like that? Am I treating something fearful as if it's real? Then you can choose again. Recognize that the fear is just an idol. It's not a fact that you have to obey.
Speaker 2:This returns the mind straight to peace because it's withdrawing any belief from what's unreal, which is what Jesus is calling miscreation. Calling miscreation, yay. So sentence five, paragraph 14, nothing but level confusion can result. As long as this belief is held in any form. This belief is the belief that miscreation is real and coexists with creation. This belief, oh the sentence nothing but level confusion. This is a concept a lot in A Course in Miracles. Nothing but level confusion can result as long as this belief is held in any form. Belief is held in any form, this belief being that miscreation is real and coexists with creation, nothing but level confusion can result. While that's going on, so peace is. In this case, peace would only be theoretical because it's holding this as if they're two sides of the same coin. Right, it's not like that. When the mind holds this belief, it confuses the levels. It places unreal miscreation, fear, on the same level as creation and love. They're not on the same level. This is called level confusion. This is a major theme in A Course in Miracles.
Speaker 2:And what do I get? The fun perception of People who have studied A Course in Miracles for many, many years and do not know that yet. So if you're listening years and do not know that yet. So if you're listening, maybe it's time to know this now and be free. It's so fun. Level confusion is the source of nearly all suffering. Treating illusions as if they're on par with the truth, assuming that what happens in the world can have real effects. Assuming that it can have real effects, there's nothing. Nothing to fix, nothing to change.
Speaker 1:Yes, I remember hearing something similar to this If I have even this much illusion, I am not in the truth and I want to. Whoa, I'm going to forgive every moment, every judgment, every moment. I'm forgiving this much resentment of my first boyfriend. Right, like this, like that's what I'm kind of like. It wipes out everything. That's right. Oh, I'm thinking I can hold both. I'm 90% light. I used to say, and I got 10 here. No, no, this 10's running the ship. So I was like, oh, that didn't make me. And I forgave everything, yes, immediately, in the present moment. No, no, this 10's running the ship. So I was like, oh, that didn't make me nice forgave everything immediately in the present moment.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's it. Yes, you understand Totally.
Speaker 2:She's totally. Yes, liz is saying it. I don't know if you guys can hear Liz, but she's talking about how, if you just hold one sliver of a judgment, something unforgiven, you're not going to feel at peace. You're not going to know that, like I've been I've been sharing with, uh, with Thomas lately in our conversations I'm like I am an orgasm. You know, he was sharing with me. It feels so orgasmic when we just have a hug and I'm like that's because I am an orgasm. I basically am that. Yeah, liz knows it, she's laughing right along with me, that's right. Yeah, you know what. And for me, yeah, it's blocking, yeah.
Speaker 2:And here's the thing, like, as long as we're perceiving a sense of a body and here's the fun thing, I find this to be really fun Like it's popping up as a temptation and you're taking it as a blessing it becomes like, it becomes like a prayer. Every little misperception, every little, uh, whatever, yes, every, every little instant where it looks like something should be different, so something's wrong, you know, uh, that thing over there on the counter is out of place. Let's say like, yeah, yeah, uh, why does that person, uh, person, burp so loud? Anything, yeah. And you know, in seeing it all as God. This is what is talked about as the happy dream too. It's like we're really serving our function, we're really collapsing time and extending true forgiveness. We're really collapsing time and extending true forgiveness when we're willing to see these things. Look right on them, Don't try to cover them up, but look straight at them and go. That is hilarious. That is where I forgot to laugh. You know what? I'm bringing it back to the truth by laughing, with laughter, with recognizing that it's for me and it's perfect for me.
Speaker 2:And the thing is, it's like all the sons of God that present anything that, especially if it seems to be something you, let's say, don't want, all that does is serve to improve your bond in love. It improves your bond in love. There's no need for any apology. No one ever needs to give an apology. You're not waiting for an apology, you're using it to bond more deeply in love. And that's not a rule for myself to say. I'm never going to apologize. I'm listening to the Holy Spirit. If something that looks like I'm sorry or I apologize needs to come out of my mouth or in writing, that's fine, but in my body's energy field, I am unapologetically elevated in spirit, see and willing to give whatever's necessary to the moment. Extending love. It's what it's all about and it just jazzes me up.
Speaker 1:It's really good. I love you're adding the laughter because, yes, if you do have a feeling of fear or something or I don't feel, well, I don't want to bypass it, but I love like laughter is getting it out. Yes, that's your way. And so that you know I may take, I take 10 breaths now. I need to feel. If not, I'm handing this to the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:In my body.
Speaker 2:I see.
Speaker 1:An energetic thing.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:That's how, but I just love your instant laughter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, one thing that we've been talking about, thomas and I, is pass through. So it's like, you know, it's not like we're trying to get rid of any upset energy. It's allowing our bodies, our body's energy field. It's an energy field, right, it's not really solid to be so transparent that any thought, feeling or whatever the energetic of it is allowed to just pass through and basically be purified through this openness, right? So one, also one theme or thread that goes through A Course in Miracles is about we forgot to laugh, and also about how this world will end in laughter. Right, it'll actually end in laughter.
Speaker 2:And you know, like one post that I did on Facebook I think it was yesterday it's like feeling judged is an effect of accepting instead of laughing at the idea that judgment is possible, see, instead of laughing at the idea that judgment is possible, see. Say that again, feeling judge is the effect of accepting rather than laughing at the idea that judgment is possible, see. So a major theme is we forgot to laugh, and that's why Jesus is saying the world will end in laughter. Yeah, the ego hates laughter. The ego loves seriousness.
Speaker 1:Laughed till about two years ago. That's how serious I was.
Speaker 2:Wow, she never laughed till like two years ago and she seems really good at it already. That's awesome. That's a testament to what miracles do, right? She never laughed till two years ago and boom. So it doesn't matter. Time is an illusion, time is really an illusion.
Speaker 2:And here's what I see with my friends who have been on A Course in Miracles for a while and they developed a certain way of doing it right. They developed a certain way of doing it and they developed a certain way of doing it right. They developed a certain way of doing it and you know, you can say that it's not really bringing them to the happy dream the way they've been doing it right. So now it's a matter of opening up to seeing this different, more like with beginner's eyes. Seeing it with beginner's eyes now, because this beginner right here just started in April, is not experiencing herself as being any little bit of, let's say, delusional. What's delusional is not me, it does not touch me, it doesn't. What suffers doesn't touch me. And when you, you know, know, when you see that little, it's like a little pivot, then that's it, you're done, you're in the happy dream, you're done, you know it's like, it's like you're done. Uh, you're done learning lessons. You're just in the happy dream and everything is unfolding for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah innocence is how I see innocence, that's right that childlike joy I feel yeah, childlike joy and innocence before. Yes, all the perceived or illusion of trauma happen illusion of traumas.
Speaker 2:Yes, I love it. Yes, yeah, before any illusion of trauma arises, you already know your innocence. So it's like you just bring that illusion of trauma to what it is the truth. So fun, okay.
Speaker 2:Spirit and illusion do not operate on the same level. Confusing levels makes the impossible seem possible. You know why Jesus keeps on repeating this Because we're not fucking getting it for the most part. You know why Jesus keeps on repeating this Because we're not fucking getting it for the most part. That's why he keeps repeating it. He's talking in this thing and, of course, in miracles. He's channeling through Helen and talking to Helen and Bill OK, both psychologists that are, you know. He's saying in some of the early ones this is why I'm repeating it over and over again you guys are not really listening, you're not really getting what this is saying. It's making it so simple for you. It's making it so simple for you to just live in the happy dream.
Speaker 2:So level confusion, making the impossible seem possible that you can be harmed, guilty or fearful, or inappropriate also. Also, it's another one, even judgmental, that you could be judgmental, right, that's impossible. You can't be judged or judgmental. It's just not laughing at and taking seriously the thought that judgment is possible. See, so practically noticing when you feel again guilty, afraid, conflicted. That's a signal that you're confusing levels. It's a signal right there.
Speaker 2:Example if this relationship ends, I'll lose love. Okay, that's level confusion. That's mistaking the form. Relationship for content, which is love. Love is eternal. Okay, relationship is a form in a dream. Content is love, love is eternal. The relationship in the dream form can be lost Apparently. People seem to pass away stuff like that. One thing that people say all the time is just so common, like when someone passes away, the survivors apparently lost someone. There's no loss. In reality, there's really no loss because love is eternal. Love is eternal. So healing comes by remembering. Creation can't be touched by miscreation, because love truly can't be undone. So you guys have any questions? Thank you for joining. I love you guys over. I see you on Substack. Feel free to put any comments there and if you're on Zoom, you can raise your hand to talk to me if you want to. You're just having a good ass time listening. I love that too. All right, we're on to the second paragraph of today. Well, you have something it's along.
Speaker 3:That list of things is I had an issue recently where I felt sensitive and I felt like something you said. I felt like a jab or felt, and I remember going right to my growing up my dad picked on me. I'm sensitive to people picking on me, and that's just making the dream real, right. So I guess what I'm guessing right now is when I feel that burning sensation yes, just take a couple seconds to feel that, so I know it's. I ran away from it and then recognize that it can't be real because it belongs to, like what you're saying, miscreation.
Speaker 2:Miscreation, right, yeah, so what? Thomas is talking about something that I was joking around with him earlier. He took that to be a jab at him, right, and so we were having a really great conversation about it and he was saying I guess I'm sensitive because my dad used to make fun of me and and I and so I brought back the lessons that we've been doing, what we've been going over. It's not sensitive, because anything originated in time. This is something that's being projected right now, so you can't go with it. You can't go with the laughter, and the laughter that I'm presenting can actually give you opportunities to laugh at the idea that you've done something wrong. That's what makes it seem like a jab. It's as if, oh, oh, guilty, I've done something wrong, right, and then someone's making fun of you. So here's how it is in my experience whenever it seems like someone's making fun of me, first I'm super grateful for the opportunity and I can be very self-effacing, so that's really fun too. I was like, yeah, you know. It's like okay, yeah, awesome, let's go with that. You know, it's been really fun to play like that, to play like that in the field.
Speaker 2:I've had people make fun of me for being on A Course in Miracles. People go well, geez, you sound just like A Course in Miracles and I'm like I am A Course in Miracles. How about that? I wrote that, fucker. Or or do you even hear yourself? You sound like a fucking idiot. You don't have to convince me me right.
Speaker 1:Can I comment because I've been there for years? So I is it. Can you help support me? And these are my terms. He's in that moment of that sensitivity. So he has a story that he's sensitive, that his ego loves. So then he'll trace it back to his dad, which we've been taught in inner child work and all of those modalities that keep us in a story. So then your ego could say, yeah, it's validated, because my dad did that, and then you kind of ended that there and that's your story and identity, that you're sensitive, no more.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And when you say it never happened, my mind says, no, was there, but I'm making it real. Is is the issue. I could laugh at the whole scenario, the whole freaking childhood thing. It doesn't have to be real right and I'm making it when I make it real. It's uncomfortable. I'm burning sensation, exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Because I'm feeling sensitive. Someone's picking on me Back to dad at the end.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, and I can share my dad's story another time. What? You've done so for you Because, when it is fully healed and forgiven, it never existed. And, trust me, I held that story for many, many years.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I believe the other side of it. And years, yeah, but I'm on, I believe the other side of it, and it's like it never even happened. But yeah, so we're in that story, it, and I'm struggling when I meet people like it's a really hard thing to get that it didn't happen, right, I understand that. So not I'm not lessening it at all, because mine was so suffering indeed and it didn't. But something happens where just do more forgiveness, more, that's all I can suggest.
Speaker 1:And then something happens where it's so much beauty comes into your world yeah for him, see him as christ, see him as innocent, like, do what they tell us to do every minute yeah for him, for his yes do it.
Speaker 2:Yes, do it, can you guys? Can you guys hear the people in the room? Let me know if you can hear the people in the room. Someone on zoom or somewhere? Let me know if you can hear the people in the room.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah, because you're just loving that story and I'm not saying it didn't happen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because where you're at, well, whether it happens or not doesn't matter. I guess right now I'm getting that. I'm in the now moment, I'm making it real and that's my choice. Yes, I could take the now moment, feel the burning sensation and then see that is not true, it's right, god it's not happening right now.
Speaker 1:That's done, yeah, yeah, this is her job is happening, so you can bring that out. Yes, laugh at it or feel your burning and say no, I'm christ and thank you for that. I love her gratitude. Yeah, did you just poke me because it's still on there? Yeah, let's get it out. We want to attach it to daddy, right, right, but none of it's happened yeah, okay, you could be higher volume.
Speaker 2:liz thomas is loud enough, so maybe just speak up when you speak so the people on Zoom can hear you.
Speaker 2:Yeah and they really appreciate this conversation. I'm getting comments about some people can hear both of you and they're saying this is great to hear the practical forgiveness, realizing it didn't happen. That's the thing, and it's really realizing that it didn't happen. So you know, when I see Thomas is holding something, this is just automatic for me I will poke it and it's really fun for me. I'm laughing. I'm laughing and he's going oh my God, you're totally busting my balls. Yeah, he's like you're totally busting my balls right now and it's like well, why can't you just go with it? Why can't you just laugh at it?
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, right, yeah, good for Thomas that he can sit in that and recognize what it is.
Speaker 2:Thomas is amazing. I'm staying here with Thomas, we're staying in these close quarters in this. You know, one bedroom, one bath, and and we're willing partners in this to see through illusions. That's what we are. We're both really, really focused on that. So it's like you know there'll be, there'll be things that are brought up where it's like it's like hey, that's funny for me. I it's like hey, that's funny For me. I'm always like hey, that's funny. And he's like shit, I don't want to be that way, I don't want to be that guy. And I'm like hey, how about?
Speaker 1:fuck, yeah, I'm that guy, I'm all the guys, thanks for loving it and admitting it and bringing it to the truth. I am that guy and I could talk to you hours about that. I didn't want to be this. I didn't want to be who I perceive myself as, as the victim of the abuse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Thanks you guys for letting me know I'm having a lot, okay, fuzzy. Someone's getting fuzzy, I can hear, but not the gal. That's Liz. It's really nice when I summarize their questions. Okay, I'll keep on doing that. I feel now my choice in what seemed to be abuse rather than years of victim. Yay, yes, we're all celebrating with you. Thomas, will you do me a huge favor and just go over next to my bed and get my charger for this? It's a large, it's got a large box. It's a large box right there on on my um power strip next to the bed. Thank you, is this fun, or what? See? The two hours goes by fast. At first she's like can I leave early? I'm like, yeah, if're bored, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1:I have to walk a dog, but it is my app she has to walk a dog.
Speaker 2:All right, I'm going to use that whenever I need it. I have to walk a dog, he's fine. He's fine. Okay, we're getting to paragraph 15. This is the second paragraph we're doing. We're making it there in an hour to the second paragraph. All right, let's see if I got any more comments from you guys. Okay, we're doing good, thanks, you guys. Thank you for my online peeps too, and everyone in the room. You guys are awesome, all right.
Speaker 2:Sentence one so this is where Jesus is shifting, okay, shifting from describing this deadlock to diagnosing common errors. Aren't we freaking stoked to get this information and how the ego tries to deal with it? Okay, so here's the first sentence Inappropriate denial and equally inappropriate identification of the real factors in the basic conflict will not solve the problem itself. That's a loaded sentence. We're just going to get into it. Inappropriate denial and equally inappropriate identifications. These are two aspects denial and identification. Inappropriate denial, because there's appropriate denial, and identification, too, of the real factors in the basic conflict right will not solve the problem itself. So let's start out with the basic conflict. What's the basic conflict? That's the mind's attempt to hold creation and create, and miscreation is real. That's the deadlock.
Speaker 2:Two ego strategies are being exposed here. One is inappropriate denial, pretending that conflict isn't there, pushing fear down into the unconscious or spiritualizing over it. There's a difference between pretending that conflict isn't there and knowing that conflict is impossible. So asking yourself here's how to tell the difference. Asking yourself am I genuinely willing to see this as a blessing, this perception of conflict that's arising? Am I genuinely willing to see this as a blessing, exactly as it's coming to me? Okay, if yes, you may notice disturbance moving through the field, right, you may notice some, the field, the body's energy field, but you recognize that it doesn't touch you. You recognize that it doesn't touch you. So, from this place, you're naturally receiving the situation, receiving the situation like your body's energy field is just allowed to be transparent. You're receiving it as an energy and you're receiving it as a blessing and you're able to extend blessings, meaning you're not closing down and trying to push it away.
Speaker 2:Right, when I got done with wisdom dialogues on Monday, man, it seemed like Thomas was fucking pissed at me. He was like Zen, they're like how could you fucking do that and stuff like that? How could you say that shit and stuff like that? And I was like, oh, this is awesome. Right, I'm open to this. Let's look at this, let's check this out, let's see what's going on.
Speaker 2:And it turns to oh, I see that you're feeling judged. Okay, what's that about? You know? Because it's not possible for me to judge, that's for sure, and I'm sure I don't mean anything as a judgment. Right, I love to bring up and, man, when you're in a close quarter with a guy like this, some shit is being brought up and people need to know that this is illusion, and I'm specifically naming the kinds of things that are popping up, not saying Thomas is doing anything wrong. In fact, in his perception, he's like maybe you don't want me to hug you like that, and I was like that's not what I'm saying. Please keep doing that. I like the penis involved in the hug. It's funny, it makes me laugh.
Speaker 1:And you guys doing that, just doing it for all of us For doing it for all of us. Right, it's so much underlying to the of us, right, yeah, so much underlying to the male human.
Speaker 2:Right, old, yeah. And you know, sometimes especially dudes seem to get triggered. They're like hey, that was private. And I was like hey, nothing is fucking private. Nothing is actually private.
Speaker 1:You're taking none of it personally. No, it's not personal. Oh man, it's not personal. No, it's not yeah, it's just it's just so much fun, but you stay open, uh-huh, since I could probably make it close like Right and separate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there was another friend here.
Speaker 1:He's a guy. Yeah, and he's my dad Right, got him in there. Yeah, I'll stay wide open. Yes, this God is with me and this energy field can handle it all. Yes and I know that you can take from me.
Speaker 2:And I know it's going to turn out fun because God's will for me is perfect happiness, right. So I know it's going to turn out fun and I asked my friend who was here because she was, you know, she was here for the whole thing and even participated. I go, wasn't that fun? She's like I have never seen something like that turn out fun before. But that's the thing. It's like there's just no threat, right.
Speaker 2:And as I'm speaking it, as I'm speaking it and I'm having the wisdom dialogues is my other talk that lasts two hours. I just talk stream of consciousness. As I'm speaking, I could feel this energy brewing at the same time and it's kind of like oh yeah, let's have it and see, this is another thing about A Curse in Miracles. It talks about this private thoughts thing and it's like look, this is how I live moment to moment. What if every single thing that I'm thinking and everything I seem to be doing, everyone knows about it? Everyone's watching me right now because that's actually what's going on, just because you don't perceive actual eyes on you. Look, everyone knows about it right now and I've even expressed to people before friends and everything. Look, if you don't want to be talked about on my wisdom talk. Don't hang out with me because I can't. I have to listen, I have to be listening to whatever the Holy Spirit says, whatever the Holy Spirit gives me to share and knowing. See, here's the thing. I'm not holding it as wrong.
Speaker 2:What Thomas perceived is that I was trying to give him some kind of underlying message to change his behavior. I'm like no, I do not want you to change your behavior one bit. I'm bringing up thoughts that say that something is wrong and I'm bringing them to the truth. And then one of the comments that Thomas said is I need you to be authentic and truthful with me and you didn't tell me those thoughts before and I'm like they're not truthful. Those are not truthful thoughts, they're lies. So what I'm doing is presenting to you these are lies and this is how you bring it to the truth.
Speaker 2:No one is doing anything wrong. No one's behavior needs to change. This is very common and I've seen this. You know especially. You know growing up with a family that thought that they were protected by keeping secrets. Look, you guys might see I have no secrets. When I'm on my wisdom talk, I'm telling you guys every delusional thought, crazy, insane, perverted, everything that comes up in my mind, because I know that hiding it doesn't help. We want to collapse time. That's what we want, and you know, of course, a lot of people are going to think that's wrong, and you know what.
Speaker 3:That's fine with me, that's fine with me yeah, what that exposed in me was a guilt that I'm holding for all of men for all of time, for eons and all the rape or whatever women had against them. I was holding guilt for that, even though I didn't do it. I was so sensitive that someone would blame or make any note that I'm not doing something right. All the guilt for all humanity was within me.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:And so good to laugh at it, because it's never going to be true.
Speaker 2:Well done, thomas Got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wish I could circle back to whoever you thought was inappropriate earlier, and you were maybe you thinking your hug was inappropriate well, I didn't, until it felt like a comment, and then I was upset that you didn't.
Speaker 3:How come I didn't know that? If it was, if it was inappropriate, I should have known that earlier. But you were. You're just saying it was. You're got the false thinking right, bringing forward that's right. I was taking it really personally. Yes, holding guilt for all of men for for a million years and none of it's.
Speaker 1:And even rape isn't inappropriate. That's right. None of it is inappropriate. Yeah, how freeing is that? Yeah, I think that's been done to us, or we think we've done it's true yeah, and that's that.
Speaker 2:That's what I expressed to thomas at point. This is the thing to get, that you are not capable of being inappropriate and so then, whenever you get a reflection that seems like you've been inappropriate, you can just play right into it. Fuck, I love that about myself. It's just nothing. Yeah, it's just really nothing. We're watching a show or watching a play, so how to tell the difference here? Am I genuinely willing to see this as a blessing?
Speaker 2:Okay, so this is what we're talking about is inappropriate versus appropriate, denial, right or conflict. Am I genuinely willing to see this as a blessing? Exactly as it's coming to me, you may notice disturbance moving through your body's energy field okay, but you recognize that it doesn't touch you. From this place, you're receiving the situation as a blessing and in that way, you're able to extend blessings. If you're not willing to see this as a blessing, you're asking the question am I genuinely willing to see this as a blessing? If you're not willing to see it as a blessing, you're using a concept to cover fear. Okay, this is where inappropriate comes in. This is inappropriate denial. Jesus is where inappropriate comes in. This is inappropriate denial. Jesus is using inappropriate appropriately here. This is inappropriate denial, where the disturbance is being pushed down rather than seen through. So you're saying, no, I'm not willing to see this as a blessing. I'm not willing to see what you're saying as a blessing. I'm not willing to see what you're doing as a blessing. I'm not willing to see this situation as a blessing. I'm not willing to see what you're saying is a blessing. I'm not willing to see what you're doing as a blessing. I'm not willing to see this situation as a blessing. Then you're not able to see clearly, you're not able to receive the situation, you're not able to let it pass through your body's energy field. This is not saying it's wrong. This is just being honest. No, no, I'm not. Helen, who channeled A Course in Miracles, said she wasn't willing. She was honest about it. I know this is the truth, but I'm not willing to do this. Now we're at a point where you know at least those of us that are coming on Wisdom Dialogues here we're at a point where we're like, yes, we are willing to do that.
Speaker 2:Thomas is like amazing. I mean just amazing, because this is just a rare man to see something like this. You know what? I am going to laugh at this. I am going to Hope, okay, okay, hope, say whatever you want to say. Right, I'm going to laugh at this. Look at that. Yeah, he's not going to laugh at this, he does. He's amazing. Yeah, well, each time, each time it occurs. Each time it occurs, he just gets softer and softer about it and also noticing wow, I don't have to hold that, I don't have to hold on to that, I can have whatever it is. Okay, yay, all right.
Speaker 2:So two kinds of denial Inappropriate denial Example I'm afraid, or I'm not afraid, everything's fine. Where you really sense a fearful feeling, right? So what's really happening is fear is still believed in, but it's being pushed into the unconscious rather than acknowledged. Okay, so the effect is the fear gets hidden, unhealed, and continues to drive your perception from beneath the awareness. Okay, so here's the right use of denial. This is healing denial.
Speaker 2:So here's the example this fear has no real power. You can feel it in your body's energy field. You can sense it. That's why, when I get the sense that someone is pissed at me, you've really fucked up. Now, hope, I'm pissed, right, I could feel it in my body's energy field. I'm acknowledging that. It's up in my body's energy field and I'm well trained to see this many times over and over again and I can meet it with.
Speaker 2:Oh good, I'm glad this is here, right, and if it's not, of God, it's not a reality. But I'm glad that this is here because now fear is being exposed, but it's so quick in me that I'm just here with the person. I could even be here with a person with shaking hands, but I'm not coming into defensiveness because I'm here with it, I'm here for it, I'm here to expose what's underlying, I'm here to help with seeing what's going on here. So the fear is exposed to the light of the spirit and then its seeming power is dissolved and it becomes fun, it becomes joyful. See, this is the kind of denial Jesus uses in A Course in Miracles Deny, error actually has power over you. It's error. So that's denial. That's healing, healing denial, so that's denial. That's healing, healing denial. Right use of denial. And what Jesus is calling inappropriate use of denial, so it's denying. It has any real power over you.
Speaker 3:Like spiritual bypass.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, the inappropriate denial is like spiritual bypass, right, right, I don't feel this. I don't feel this, I don't feel this. I'm saying feel it all, feel it good and then be here for it. So siding with the ego's projection and calling it real is inappropriate identification. So remember, there are two prongs here inappropriate denial and inappropriate identifications. So siding with a projection as if the projection is real, believing in fear, believing in guilt or believing that the body is truth, right, that's inappropriate identification. Because Jesus is saying appropriate identification is your true identity. That's the only appropriate identification. So both responses inappropriate denial or inappropriate identification are keeping conflict unresolved and conflict is really from within. They don't heal, they actually just perpetuate confusion. It's really fabulous. So denial can be appropriate, but only when it's directed toward the unreal.
Speaker 2:Denying error, any power that's the kind of appropriate denial Error has no power. Okay, it's not that I don't feel this effect of error. Let's say I'm getting a sense that it's, but it's projected from my own mind. So it has no power, it doesn't have power to hurt me. It's not like oh no, the ego's like oh, no, no, oh no, I didn't want that reaction. It's like yes, it's a big yes. This is the reaction I want, because this is the reaction I got. Let's go. Well, you know, let's, let's feel into this, right Can?
Speaker 1:you explain again what you do when you're.
Speaker 2:Feel something. When I'm fielding, like basically fielding a feeling, yeah, right. So so number one, yes to it. Open energy field, open energy field, okay. And and if it's persisting, what's the thought behind it? Because you know, for me a lot of the times it's just like, oh, open, okay, open again. And then if it's a persisting feeling, what's the thought behind that? That must be a thought that needs to be brought to the truth, so then the Holy Spirit can reinterpret the whole situation. There's no threat here. You know, the number one tenet of A Course in Miracles is that no threat is real. Right, there's no real threat anywhere. There's no real threat anywhere. So when we're fielding a misperception, let's say it seems like something is being threatened. Maybe my identity is being threatened, maybe my safety is being threatened, maybe my livelihood is being threatened, maybe my reputation that's one of my favorite ones, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I'll give you a four example. My four-year-old used to love to play on the roof, right. I wanted to get him off the roof because he was four and it seemed like that. And he was like fuck you, mom, right. So I'm like ask the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit tells me go inside. The sky is 17 now Go inside and pray. So I go inside and I pray and the Holy Spirit brings me to what is the real reason. You're afraid. You know what it was. If you fell off the roof and died, I would be looked at as the worst mom ever, Reputation Number one, more fearful of the dead body of the four-year-old, more fearful than the dead body of the four-year-old. That was where how my four-year-old son really helped bring this to the surface and helped me resolve what other people think about me. Right there. Right, because man and the Holy Spirit just showed me under no uncertain circumstances. If that happens, you're going to use it to awaken the mind like you never believed. And it doesn't even need to happen because I was willing to use it to awaken the mind right there. A few minutes later, my son was done playing on the roof forever. I never went back up there. See, that's an example of it.
Speaker 2:These weird fears. It's just like these weird fears, right, especially and this seems very common to people reputation, and I'm like no, you know, tell anyone anything. Expose me, go ahead. I love it. Go ahead, expose me, because that's what really. You know, it brings to the surface anything that I was afraid of being out there. And that's what Jesus is talking about these private thoughts and thinking we can keep our thoughts private. It's like man, no, that's actually affecting the whole mind. It's like let it out into the light and seeing that it didn't even happen. It's not appropriate or inappropriate, it's just nothing. And it's like letting the play play. It's just nothing and it's like letting the play play, okay.
Speaker 2:So what Jesus is calling inappropriate here is really misapplication. It's denying truth and affirming illusion. That's misapplication of this kind of like, this ability we gave ourselves to deny anything, the ability of denial, which you don't need in creation. Right self to deny anything, the ability of denial, which you don't need in creation, right. So we're turning this ability of denial to a correct application affirming the truth and denying illusion, rather than affirming illusions and denying the truth. See, so we're just not misusing it. All of these abilities we've given ourselves, we can use them appropriately. This is really where appropriate and inappropriate work right. It's not to behavior, it's in how you would use these abilities that you gave yourself, denial being one of them, right? So, practically, denial, okay, I'm not, everything's fine. We talked about that.
Speaker 2:The identification one. This fearful thought is true about me. I am guilty, I am unworthy. That's the identification problem. They're saying this is true about me and oftentimes people in our field well-meaning people, people that care, right, they want us to see where a fearful thought is true about us, because they believe that about themselves. And you know, it's like they feel like they're going to try to correct you right and say, hey, I have this fearful thought about you. They don't say it like that. I have this fearful thought about you and I want you to take this fearful thought about you. They don't say it like that, but I have this fearful thought about you and I want you to take this fearful thought about you on and believe it with me, so then we can fix it. I'll help you fix it. I'll help you fix this flaw about yourself Like this is how you're flawed and let me help you with it. So this is an ego defense. It's not a real solution.
Speaker 2:Don't parent and children do this all the time? Right, parents to children. That's why I wrote a book called Unschooling for Parents A Mystic's Guide to Awakening with Children. You can find it on Amazon, all right. So it's like this I see this error in you and come on, this is how, or for instance, you're lazy. My son came to me and told me mom, I'm lazy. I'm like, how could that be? He's like, well, my room's a mess and I don't feel like cleaning it. And I go that means you're lazy. And he's like, well, yeah, and I go don't you think you're going to clean the room when you want to clean it? Why does lazy need to come in there? Who told you that? You know?
Speaker 1:is that inappropriate? Inappropriate identification right.
Speaker 2:It's identifying as if you're you're you're not the son of god. Somehow. Now you can be lazy, right, right, instead of just looking at the facts. My room's a mess and I don't want to clean. It Doesn't mean you're lazy, doesn't mean you're lazy at all. Whenever you want to clean it, when it gets too much for you, you'll clean it. It's really simple. It's really simple.
Speaker 2:And you know, I've had the same son come up to me and go hey, you know what? You're a really shitty parent. Oh, really, you want to talk about that? That's good to know, right. And it's like when you get down to it and it goes over a couple days, but after a couple days it's like, you know, he's telling me how he wants me to change and stuff, like that. And I was like all right, let's play around. I feel like playing around with that, let's play around with that. Ok, you want me to tell you what to do and stuff, stop buying you things. When you ask me to buy you things, ok, right, everyone, all kids, think their parents are a shitty parent, no matter what you're doing, you know, at some point they think you're a shitty parent, right. So I'm like, ok, ok, I'll play with that. A couple of days later, everything goes back to oh yeah, I'm like thank goodness I'm a shitty parent. Yeah, he's like yeah.
Speaker 1:And, as you said earlier, just admit it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shitty parent.
Speaker 3:Tell everyone, shitty parent, tell everyone this is my third time.
Speaker 2:this is like after all kinds of all kinds of training, I was like let me see how I can be the best shitty parent possible and one of my sons is like and you even wrote a book about parenting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, isn't that awesome. So, all right, sent sentence two of paragraph 15. The conflict cannot disappear until it's fully recognized that miscreation is not real and therefore, therefore, there is no conflict. Let's read that again. It's a very fun sentence for me. The conflict cannot disappear until it is fully recognized that miscreation is not real and therefore there is no conflict. That's the quote from A Course in Miracles, right? So Jesus is cutting to the core. He's not fucking around here, right? He's saying the conflict has no actual existence. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 2:This is different than denying conflict when you still believe that it's real. See, that's why you feel what you feel and you're willing to see that it has no actual existence. You're willing to see your whole perception, all the thoughts that are occurring to you, all of the manifestations occurring to you as a blessing and an opportunity to see through. No-transcript. The only resolution is recognition that miscreation is not real. That's the only resolution.
Speaker 2:And you know, when any of my friends try to project onto me, let's say that I am miscreating. I'm fucking stoked. I'm stoked to the max. This is my opportunity to demonstrate to my own mind that that has no power over me, which also extends to that has no power over you. That has no power over you. I cannot miscreate, therefore, neither can you, and what you're bringing me, even with this trying to convince me that I can miscreate, is perfect for me. Thank you, because all it does is show my mind, demonstrate to my mind more and more and more, that I am truly as God created me and have not changed one bit. That's the recognition and the reality that I'm meant to extend.
Speaker 2:However, I get there through whatever means in the material world, through saying whatever I seem to say perfect for me and for everyone involved. This is something that I just know in my heart. Whatever it is, whatever means to see, it's perfect. So I don't get caught up in circular illusions trying to fix myself. I'll get there when I make myself better. That's not it. That's not where it is, that's how I was, that's how, and still am with my kids. I mean, they're all big now, but still am with, with my kids. It's like you can't get it wrong. My son, when he was a teenager, one time comes home and goes Mom, I feel like shit because I drank too much alcohol last night and I go. Was there really a last night, or are you projecting a shitty feeling right now, right, and with this you can see things just dissipate. It's like really, mom, really, yeah, yeah, you're making it up right now. There's no last night Because of guilt.
Speaker 1:Yeah Of what he did last night, oh yeah. Yeah, you're making it up right now. There's no last night Because of guilt. Yeah Of what he did last night, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was too much. Yeah, it was too much alcohol. So much to feel like, right, there's the right amount of alcohol and then there's too much alcohol, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're such a shitty mom.
Speaker 2:I get the worst mom ever award. I'm sure I get the worst mom ever award. I'm sure you just let me do what I want and always tell me that I'm good, Always tell me that I'm doing awesome. Yep, that's it. That's right. I can't help it. That's just the way it is. I mean, that's the actual way it is. This is coming from the Holy Spirit. Actually, you know you're doing awesome.
Speaker 2:So Jesus is here. He's you know well, look how he's saying it. Look how Jesus is saying it. He's not, he's not screwing around. He's saying your miscreations are not real Is what he's saying. So why are we going to pretend like miscreations can happen? That's ridiculous. So as long as the mind is granting any reality to miscreation, this conflict between creation and miscreation will persist. Okay, the only resolution is the recognition miscreation is not real. With that recognition, the apparent conflict between creation and miscreation collapses, because it wasn't even there. You're only upholding it in imagination. This is why the Course is insisting. Jesus, through a Course in Miracles, is insisting again and again. This is the whole tenet. Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God. So if you're not recognizing that, you're not in the peace of God, that's all. Only creation is real and miscreation is actually nothing. So the idea of conflict is a misperception. It's not a fact, we're only propping it up.
Speaker 3:Just a simple statement. Nothing real can be threatened. I'm telling you like a few words and that's pretty much the whole.
Speaker 2:That's the whole thing.
Speaker 3:That's the prologue of the book yeah, yeah, introduction, yeah.
Speaker 2:But isn't it fun that we get all these words to just kind of hammer this in Right. Nothing unreal exists. Right, piece of God, and you are the reality. You are as God created you. You do not change from that.
Speaker 2:So the ego thrives on the appearance of conflict. It convinces you that there are two powers, right, but once the mind sees miscreation has no reality, this illusion of opposites just dissolves. It's all perfect for me. That's why it seems like and I mean the body can't feel, the body can't tell you how it feels the mind's projecting onto the body how it seems to feel, and it's like the sense of my body just seems to feel better and better and better, like, even, just like I'll just be sitting there and I'll just notice, oh, my gosh, my tongue at the roof of my mouth is just like. Oh, it's orgasmic.
Speaker 2:I just feel it, you know, like everything's vibrating and that's because of seeing through this all the time, like using it for that and making it fun to see through any illusion of conflict, right, any illusion like, say, someone seems to like give me like a bad feeling or something like that, and recognizing that's coming from me and I'm immediately uplifted and so I'm not holding a thing that makes that person somehow mad at me or mean to me or resistant toward me or anything like that, and I just see things change.
Speaker 2:You know, personal interaction, everything is just so changeful and it's always changeful according to the balance of what I was seeing, how I was seeing. I'm being affected, my perception is being affected by how I'm choosing to see. That's all it ever is. So I see everyone as a blessing and I extend gratitude, even when it seems like they're projecting something onto me, and I would say, especially when it seems like they're projecting something onto me, because I want it, I know I want it. I'm like, thank you, brother, thank you for bringing this to me. Or any sense of hurt, or I feel any sense of hurt, is gratitude. So these illusions of opposites dissolve. There's no opposition, it's all perfect. So what remains here is the certainty of creation.
Speaker 3:It's unopposed, it's whole, it's exactly as it should be yes, it's quite a reversal, because typically we'd say you're projecting and so what you're saying is to, instead of saying that you take on the projection and put it up, wear it right oh, what does that feel like? And just no, it's not real. So you just wear it for a second and a second Right, but instead of putting it back on there, you're projecting.
Speaker 2:Right. So it's kind of like if someone goes, you're being judgmental Instead of you're projecting that I'm judgmental, it's like oh, I hear that you're feeling judged. What is that about, right? Where is that coming from, right? So it's like it's like not a matter of of resisting whatever someone's going.
Speaker 2:You know, my daughter's my daughter did that one time. It's such a fun story. She was doing all this cocaine, apparently Right and and was like she was asking me to do cocaine with her and I was like you know, I'm just not feeling the cocaine vibe, I'm not feeling like doing cocaine, right. So she's like you're judgmental. Then and I'm like, oh okay, well, do you know what to do with that? When you see me being judgmental, she's like what? And I go forgive it, forgive me for what I didn't do, right, that's what you do with that. And she's like she's like mom, everything is not just okay. And I go that's okay, right.
Speaker 2:So in the moment my daughter was like what the fuck? I'm trying to get through to my mom, I'm trying to tell her something's wrong and she won't fucking acknowledge that something's wrong with me and but but then. So I'm looking at that and I'm noticing. I'm noticing it after the fact, when she's done doing the cocaine, she's like feels like she hit rock bottom and she's done doing the cocaine. She's like feels like she hit rock bottom and she's done doing the cocaine. She knows it's fine to come around me. She's like, hey, mom, hey, thanks for holding that, like nothing was wrong with me.
Speaker 2:Everyone was looking at me like something was wrong with me and I was like can a girl just have a drug here, right? So even a person trying to convince me that something's wrong with them, I'm like, no, yeah, I'm not convinced. And and just seeing how, uh, seeing how my daughter is, uh, at this point in time, how light she is with everything, that's how it just how, how light, even with any thoughts that come up for her or anything like that is how light she's willing to hold things and how she's not willing to give in when someone tries to convince her that something's wrong with her. She knows, she knows that she's God's creation, right, it's just not true. So it's like, yeah, you can laugh in any circumstance. You know, I'm giving you guys examples of things that you may or may not have pop up in your field, you know, but for some people it's like that's intense. You know some people are like that. Wow, I really feel like a failure If my daughter was on six day benders daughter was on six day benders.
Speaker 1:Exactly, it's the reputation, yeah, and and you know, it's like you don't know who you are Right, yeah, yeah, and, and what, and.
Speaker 2:Another thing about my daughter. You know she's never had any issue with me talking about her going on vendors or her in her relationships with their partners or anything like that. She's like Mom. Please talk about me on Wisdom Dialogues. I want to hear it Right. Yeah, she just feels really free, Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, when you're not holding it, whatever. Yeah, the secret, the secret is shame. This and I see this so prevalent, especially with men too. With men, it's like don't. My husband was like that before he didn't come to any wisdom dialogues for 10 years. I was giving talks just because he was like cringe, uh. And then, and then eventually he started coming. He's like, oh, this is perfect. He's like bring it up, bring it out, this is perfect for me.
Speaker 2:And just noticing the freedom and having, just like, all of this stuff not only exposed, but exposed in a way that this is not real, it's not true, it's illusions playing. So then it's like there's this not identifying with this secretive thing. There's so much trying and all we're hiding it from is ourselves. There's no one looking at us but ourselves. That's the only thing. We're hiding it from right. So it's like letting yourself just be really transparent, naked, right, like naked before your brothers, who are also just you Like I like to say you know what, you know why. I love the sense like I'm embarrassed Because I know all eyes on me are mine, right, I love, I always loved that, ever since I was a kid. Just getting the sense of being embarrassed. I'm just like, oh yeah, yeah, this is where it's at, this is the juice, right? It's like as if someone can look at you in a way that's going to diminish you. I can't be diminished, that's invulnerability. So wait, let me go check on you guys. Okay, I see you guys are doing good. I see you, I love you. All right, yay, thank you for hanging with me. We only have 12 minutes left, believe it or not.
Speaker 2:So sentence three of paragraph 15, this entails a full realization of the basic fact that, although you have miscreated in a very genuine sense, this is great. I love how Jesus just goes back and forth like this so he could show us what's going on you need neither continue to do so nor suffer from your past errors in this respect. So jesus is being precise. You have miscreant, remember. He's saying you can't do it. He's saying, and then he's saying you have miscreated.
Speaker 2:You use the mind's power to imagine separation and project illusions. In this sense, miscreation is genuine. Quote genuine, but genuine does not mean real in truth. Take all the other sentences put together and you can see that. So see how you could use the ego to parse this out in certain ways that are good for the ego, but what Jesus is saying here he already said it's not real and truth. You got to see that miscreation doesn't exist. And then he's saying you use the mind's power to imagine. This is why it's not real, because it's imagination to imagine separation and project illusions. This means the mind did not use its power to set up experience that felt real within. Or the mind did use its power, did not use its power appropriately, but did use its power to set up experience that felt real within the dream. So it's using this power of the mind to set up these experiences that feel real, but you don't really want them.
Speaker 2:So the good news is you don't have to continue miscreating the moment you choose creation over miscreation, creation over illusions. It's done the moment you choose. So it's not like you have to atone for past errors. That's not the atonement. The atonement is accepting that. The correction is here now. It's already corrected. It's already done. As soon as you thought against yourself, that error was corrected. It remains corrected. The atonement is your acceptance of that. You don't have to suffer for any past errors. It's what he's saying.
Speaker 2:The effects of miscreation are undone in present moment forgiveness, present moment forgiveness. All effects are wiped clean. Okay. This is echoing the atonement principle here. Error calls for correction, not punishment. All right, so the ego interprets miscreation as sin, as if it's irreversible. You deserve to be suffering. Jesus is reframing it here.
Speaker 2:Miscreation is an error in thought, already undone the instant it occurred. The instant the error, the erroneous thought went forth like a projection. It is undone instantly. You are free now because in reality, nothing happened to change who you are. Nothing happened to change your creation in God. No one can do anything to you. Okay.
Speaker 2:So when guilt over the past comes up, okay, I did not truly miscreate, I need not suffer for it, nor keep pretending that I can miscreate. It's already undone. I did not miscreate, see, jesus says, quote you have miscreated in a very genuine sense, okay. The thing is that genuineness is only within the dream. It seemed real in your experience, but it never had true reality. To say I did not truly miscreate is accurate from A Course in Miracles' ultimate standpoint no separation occurred. Therefore, no miscreation truly happened. Okay, it's. Your mind is so powerful that you could genuinely, in a dream, miscreate. Okay and make it real for yourself. But the rest of the phrasing, I need not suffer for it. This is my phrasing. Okay, I need not suffer it, nor keep pretending that I can miscreate. This is aligning with the message of atonement Guilt is unnecessary and miscreation has no real effects. It's already undone. This is the core of A Course in Miracles. The atonement was accomplished the instant the separation seemed to arise. We're just accepting the atonement as we go through the dream. So there's a subtle distinction here. At the dream level, you seem to miscreate. Hence Jesus is saying in a very genuine sense this is why correction is needed, because you seemed to miscreate. What is the correction? Though? No miscreation ever happened, isn't it good? It gets easier and easier. You don't have to forgive. No, you don't. You know, you learn this. You learn forgiveness until it just just, it kind of morphs into just extending love. It's just extending love because the forgiveness happened before. You've already forgiven. Now you're just extending love. That's what's happening. And yeah, true forgiveness. True forgiveness leads to extending love. When you've already forgiven before, and this is also a concept in A Course in Miracles forgiveness before, you're just extending love. Yeah, there's nothing to forgive because nothing happened Exactly. So you need forgiveness as long as there's a perception that something did happen. That's when you use it. It's totally appropriate to use forgiveness, but you want to use it in the sense where you're actually collapsing time, rather than projecting time with it or just staying, you know, kind of like we were talking about earlier a couple days ago and also earlier in deep dives, the idea that, you know, I forgive myself for making this illusion it's what Jesus would call a circular miracle, because it's allowing yourself to feel better, which we want, definitely but it's not allowing Jesus to use your mind for collapsing time, which is where what I, the kind of forgiveness is what I thought happened didn't happen. There's not someone here that just needs to feel better. It goes beyond that. It's actually that it didn't happen. That that's why there's no self to forgive for making it up, even see, so it just goes deeper as you go through it. So, at the level of truth, no, no, no miscreation ever happened. This is why you can say and Jesus loves it when you say it it is already undone. It is already undone. All right, I'm staying as an orgasm. Now. I don't know if Jesus is saying that, but I think he likes it. I'm just going to stay, I'm just going to remain like this now, okay, okay. So, christina, I love that.
Speaker 2:True forgiveness is extending love, yeah, well, you know, what I said is it's the outcome of true forgiveness. It's the outcome of it, right? Because truly forgiveness is saying what I thought happened didn't happen. So when you're acknowledging that what I thought happened didn't happen, all that's left there is extending love, right, you're in gratitude for your perception and that's just how it manifests. It's just an extension of love, right? So it's kind of like the evolution of true forgiveness.
Speaker 2:So this is how the recognition it is already undone this breaks the cycle of repeating old patterns, since guilt is what's driving their recurrence. Anyways, it's breaking the cycle, right, because it's saying it is already undone. So it's just guilt that's driving the recurrence. Oh, there it is again. Oh, it happened when my father did this and now it's this, and now it's this. Okay, time to break that. Are you seeing a pattern? Break it, it is already undone. Yeah, it's all done.
Speaker 2:So each moment is a fresh opportunity to choose love instead of miscreation, which is fear. Creation is love, miscreation is fear. That's all we got is a choice between those two things, and one of them isn't a real choice. It's actually a choice that you can't even actually make. Yay, thank you, christina. Thank you for taking that. I love it.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I know, I know two hours seems long, but it's super short, we're at that. We only covered two paragraphs and they were juicy, so we'll be back again next Wednesday. I'm doing this here in Sedona until the end of October. I never know when I'm going to start back up again here. You know I took two weeks off as soon as I came here. I'll be back again, though, next Monday for Wisdom Dialogues. That's a two hour stream of consciousness Really fun. You never know what's going to come. I never know. Sometimes I'm sitting there talking and my eyes are like what the fuck is coming out now. So, yes, and then Wednesday we go back into this deep dive in A Course in Miracles. I actually only got up to page nine out of 19 pages of my notes here, so we'll start again on paragraph 16, sentence one, next Wednesday.
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