Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues
Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues
The Empowering Truth: We Project Our World | Wisdom Dialogues @ Sedona | September 22, 2025
What if everything you perceive is based on error rather than truth? Far from being discouraging, this realization offers profound liberation – if the world were truth, we'd be permanently stuck with suffering, separation, and death.
In this enlightening session from Sedona, Hope Johnson explores how we project our entire experience and can transform it by bringing our perceptions to the truth. "The world is an invention based on an erroneous thought," she explains, "a thought that made you into something you're not." When we recognize we're still as God created us, we find freedom from the ego's constant conditioning toward separation.
The most powerful transformation occurs when we welcome discomfort rather than resist it. Hope suggests responding to anxiety or uncomfortable feelings with "Hooray! This is where I bring illusions to the truth." These moments of apparent difficulty become holy ground for awakening when approached with willingness rather than fear.
Through personal stories, listener questions, and profound insights, Hope demonstrates how to distinguish between the ego's voice (which feels rushed, controlling, and evaluative) and the Holy Spirit's guidance (which feels inspirational, peaceful, and connective). We explore how physical symptoms and energy depletion stem from our thoughts rather than external sources, and how tears often mask deeper truths about our perceptions.
The session culminates in a beautiful explanation of our interconnectedness. We "people our world" with those who reflect our beliefs, yet communicate on a level beneath manifestation, always connecting with each other's truth. When we recognize that everything serves our awakening, we find perfect peace regardless of circumstances.
Ready to transform your perception and experience the freedom of truth? Listen now, and discover why Hope often finds herself laughing at the illusions we create. Your world is waiting to be seen differently.
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Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope Johnson coming to you from Sedona, arizona. Woo, oh, I'm loud. On the other thing, let me pause this Sedona, arizona.
Speaker 1:Whoa, I got all kinds of echoes. I gotta mute it for a second. I don't know what to do here. Oh my god, okay. So let me see what I can do about the volume here. It looks like I have okay volume off. Let's see what I do about the volume here. It looks like I have okay volume off. Okay, that is not where it's at. Do about the volume here. It looks like, okay that is not where it's at.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm not sure why this is echoing, maybe it's over here. There we go. I think I did it now. Now I'm silent. Now my other self is silent, thank goodness.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, isn't it nice to know that the world that we're perceiving is based on error. Isn't it nice to know that? Right, because if it was the truth, that would be horrible. That would mean that we're stuck with it whatever way we made it and see, the thing is, it could always get better than what it is. If we're perceiving mortal bodies, we're basically perceiving in separation, where bodies could die. That's not really true. We made that up.
Speaker 1:So a lot of the beliefs that we've agreed to project together, kind of like as a community of souls that decided to keep separation as if it's true, it's a trip. It's like there's this constant conditioning of ourselves and the people around us into believing we're in separation. And you know, in all kinds of ways, like I recognize all kinds of ways that come up like, uh, like sayings, like I'm getting too old for this. I wish they wouldn't be that way. I wish people would just realize something See, everyone is fine as they are. Everyone is perfect, wherever they seem to be on their journey. It's all perfect and that's really what allows you to share your perspective with everyone, when you're willing to see that their perspective is actually perfect, and not make enemies out of anyone's perspective, not make any of their perspectives as if they're a threat to you, as if that makes them a threat. See, that's what always causes people to go warring with each other is believing that someone's concepts, someone's perceptions are somehow threatening. Only thing that could ever happen to you quote, happen to you in a dream is beneficial for you. So then you don't have to be scared of anything, right? You don't have to be scared, especially what people are going to say about you. That's one of the best ones you know. An ego will ask you oh, what if they get this interpretation of you? Oh, that's terrible, that would be terrible if that happens. You know, what I've done through all of this stuff is go hooray. What if they do get a perception like that? It wouldn't change who I am. It wouldn't change that I'm exactly the way God created me. It doesn't make any difference.
Speaker 1:The world wants to keep secret and the people of the world's, like each of us, is peopled our own world. A friend was sharing that other friends freak out when she tells them that this world is all it's for, is seeing that we're one, it's not for anything else. And she's saying that the people think that she's weird when she says that. And it's like man. It's also good to see we peopled our world. We put the people in place to keep us in line, to keep us in alignment with the ego's plan, which is to keep us seeking forever for the love that seems to be lost. We don't want to play out the ego's drama without recognizing it. I say without recognizing it because that's the whole key. You know, I heard a share this weekend From a woman who said she was, she was, she was, basically, without saying the word, she was smitten by a man Really good looking. She called him devilish man because he was apparently really bad for her, not someone that was, I guess, worthy of her, you could say in terms of behavioral right.
Speaker 1:So the ego always wants to make it as if this is some kind of a threat or something went wrong. Self-condemnation comes out. You know, like something, like I didn't listen to my guidance, so now I have to be with this guy. Well, you know, like something, like I didn't listen to my guidance, so now I have to be with this guy. Well, you know you could trace that didn't listen to guidance all the way back to where you thought you were separate.
Speaker 1:So, you know, even even you're not listening to guidance and finding yourself in a situation and who's to say you weren't listening to guidance? That's the other thing. I mean, you know if you were or you were not, and that changes from moment to moment, because in each moment, are you looking for guidance from the Spirit or are you going your own way? Basically, are you relying on what you think is true about the world, which is making you feel frightened, or are you listening to the Spirit's interpretation, right? So this idea that anything went wrong, that's always the ego, the reason why this quote devilish man pops up. You know that makes you want him for all the wrong reasons, apparently. And then find out uh, you know he's a psycho.
Speaker 2:You're a psycho.
Speaker 1:He mirrored her psycho. Yeah, thomas is saying he mirrored her psycho. Yeah, that's always exactly what it is, always see, and the thing is you gotta be willing to go I love that about myself to be able to learn anything from it. You really gotta be willing go I love that about myself to be able to learn anything from it. You really got to be willing to say I love that about myself. You know, last week I was sharing about some interactions where I felt some uncomfort, right, and the thing about feeling the uncomfort for me is knowing what it's for. I don't have to make the story about it real, just knowing what it's for. And you know what is the story Like.
Speaker 1:You get an uncomfortable perception and then the ego starts weaving. It must mean this, or it must mean this, or it must mean this. It's not. The perception itself is just a perception. The story is not then a story, or I'm reactive because of this in my childhood or anything like that. It's just a matter of looking at it and going that is, that is a pattern that's meant for me to see how I am wanting it. For one thing, what's making me want to be uncomfortable? To make myself uncomfortable, and you know that question. Just leaving it open and just feeling into the body, sense and recognizing. That's another thing.
Speaker 1:My mom was pointing that out this weekend. I went to visit my mom this weekend. Thomas and I both went together and my mom was saying how it's so important for her, in her case, to learn the Bible, to memorize Bible verses, because the way she puts it, or the way they put it in the group that she's in she's in a Christian group is that then you have it available to wield it whenever it's necessary, whenever you're under an attack, so to speak and you know that's the same way A Course in Miracles puts it. It's like these are attack thoughts, so you need to bring them to the truth Rather than make them true, rather than make them true. See, when you make them true, then it becomes a story, a scary story too.
Speaker 1:So there's the pure perception. What does it seem like? What is the feeling that's coming up? And then there's the interpretation of it. What does it mean? Right, I've given everything the meaning it has. For me, that's not a matter of like denying the feeling and the perception. Just take the perception as it is. Just take it as it is.
Speaker 1:Someone shared to me about how, when the Buddha was going through his mind and looking at his mind, watching his mind before he quote unquote attained enlightenment, basically what he was doing is he is watching everything and letting it be as it is, not trying to make it change or anything like that, just smiling at it for what it is. Everything comes up Murderous thoughts, perverted sexual fantasies, whatever. Everything comes up Shame, blame, anger, resentment, it all comes up and you just let it be coming up, you let it be what it is and you bring all of what seems to be a legitimate cause to the truth. And really that prevents you from spinning stories around it, as in what does it mean? What does it mean in the story? See, what kind of more stories can we weave about it when you're just willing to see that there's no past, there's no past and you're just projecting the uncomfortable feeling that you're perceiving right now and feeling it, that's what helps dissolve it, that's bringing it to the truth, and the truth might tell you.
Speaker 1:You might use a number of different phrases. You know, a Course in Miracles has a lot of good ones. One of them is I trust my brothers who are one with me, so that shows you there's no reason to be afraid of anyone. There's no reason to be afraid of any kind of, any situation, anything. There's just no cause for it. That does not mean you shouldn't feel it. You feel it. You recognize that you're feeling fear, and deeper than that you can't really feel fear, and deeper than that you can't really feel fear. It's like you put an image out in the field to feel fear and report back to you mentally what that's like. It's an interpretation too. You know you get that interpretation. You get the imaginary feeling interpretation. You, you feel, you get the imaginary feeling, let's say, because then you're seeing the effect that that imaginary feeling is the effect of thinking in a way that's against yourself, of thinking in a way that something's happening to you that you just didn't put there, that you just didn't make into, as if it had some external thing, external cause.
Speaker 2:I got a question. Yes, so is there. I know I'm looking for a process or a technique to work with what you're saying. So you're saying feel it for sure.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:So I'm just discovering I got a chain that's actually generational. I had a child monster in the family. It was my grandfather's brother, and so I'm wondering if I'm carrying that forward. I got sensitive to predator, so feeling it. Are you asking God to help you see it differently so that it can be eradicated or erased? How do you work with something like that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you recognize that you are making it up. See, you can't make it real and also have it forgiven. You can't make the illusion true, like this generational thing. It's one thing. Recognizing that's a story that doesn't make it any harder for you to have a miracle with this. It's really a matter of your willingness to receive the miracle with it, really a matter of your willingness to receive the miracle with it. And that's basically feeling the way it happens is. You know, to stop working these circular miracles and have real, true miracles is to be willing to recognize that the underlying cause does not exist. You're only projecting it. Now you know and this depends on how you're using it If you really believe that the way you're feeling right now has an underlying cause for generations, that may make it seem to you like it's more difficult for you to make a miracle with it, but it's not any more difficult than anything else. It's really a matter of willingness. Are you willing to see that this is not really true? That's the thing. Are you willing to see that it's not true? The perception is the perception. The perception may be really harsh. The perception may be super brutal, right, the perception may be super brutal, right, and you late, you leave the perception as it is, but you recognize that you're having a dream, you're projecting it now.
Speaker 1:You are the author, you did invent it, you made it up. See the different ways I'm saying it. Whatever it is that you perceive, right, it's that's why. That's why, for me, I find myself laughing all the time, because it's funny. What I make up it's what I make up is hilarious to me. Sometimes people think I'm laughing at them, and you know, of course, when I can. I just reassure them. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at them, and you know, of course, when I can. I just reassure them. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the illusion that I just made. It's like hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yes, that would be true for, like that women's group that you met this weekend, where they're looking at alcoholism being generational, you know, gene oriented Sure, same thing, but it has to stop somewhere. Yeah, like the buck stops here.
Speaker 1:Right, well, the buck stops at the mind that decides that its mind is for making choices between truth and illusion. Right, like, you could either be you. You could either either be like. Oh yeah, okay, every drink is like an experiment. I'm going to see how I feel. Right, I'm going to see how I feel as this goes, cause, you know, feeling is really the way the spirit communicates with you. Does this feel? Do I feel more connected? Do I feel more at ease? What do I want? Do I want to feel more connected, more at ease? That's the thing.
Speaker 1:And if I find myself having a drink, let's say, you know, I don't get this perception of myself. I seem to have no issue with drinking at all. I could just drink and then not drink, doesn't matter. But if you get the perception that you have one drink and then, all of a sudden, you've fallen off the wagon and you have to have a shitload of drinks at any point, see what people see. People perceive this going on for years until they make another really big decision At any point.
Speaker 1:Within that, you don't have to make any big decisions. It's just a matter of being alert, being aware. If you're fully aware and alert, you're not minding what you are playing out. You're really not minding what it is that you're playing out, because, whatever it is, it's going to be helpful from your point of view, because you're looking from a place of awareness, so then you don't have to be afraid of it. I mean, whether you're playing out the illusion that you haven't had whatever substance seems to have power over you for 20 years, or you just had a drink last night, the only difference, the only true difference, is in whether you believe that was real at all, right, whether you even believe that was real.
Speaker 1:And I'll tell you what it's like. Pride seems to be better than shame, right, so that that seems to be some incentive to not have a drink, because then I can be proud of myself and then, if I had a drink, I'd be ashamed of myself. Right, pride seems to be better than shame. But worthiness is key. Worthiness is the key here. I'm worthy to feel good, because all my feelings are projected anyways. I decide, I decide how I feel. I am worthy of feeling good, no matter what I perceive myself or anyone else doing. That's simple Right. That's simple right. It's like can I just maintain the awareness of my worthiness? That's a nice prayer, huh, help me maintain awareness of my worthiness throughout the day today.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I'm just tripping on like 12 steps. So in my opinion it's a possibility that for me it would make it real if I stay in that loop. Not that it's not right for other people, but at my level, if I'm a non-dualist believer, then I need to be that and then that would be making the error real. I'm not trying to badmouth that system, right, but for me it would make the error real if I keep looping in the air real. Not, I'm not trying to bad mount that system, right, but for me it would make the air real if I keep looping in the 12th step well what I found out and I wasn't at a 12 step, I don't think.
Speaker 1:Uh, it seemed to maybe have a little bit of that influence there. I was at a women's uh freedom from alcohol meeting this weekend. Apparently I was so fun. They're so adorable there. So here's the thing You're going to perceive beliefs.
Speaker 1:And Thomas was asking about those 12-step programs. He seemed like if he were to stay in it, it would be like looping around and the way I see it, it's not like I need to stay in anything. I just go wherever the spirit calls in the moment. And, you know, speak about how it is for me, you know. Basically, they asked me what is your relationship with alcohol? That was a question right before it was time for my share. It was basically stream of consciousness share. So it was kind of like wisdom dialogues for about a good five to seven minutes or something like that, kind of like wisdom dialogues for about a good five to seven minutes or something like that. And so I shared that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my relationship with it is the same as any illusion. All illusions are the same to me. They don't have any power over me. I'm the one with dominion, I'm the one in command and with respect to all illusions. That includes all people. That includes all people. That includes all circumstance. Right, I am only perceiving anything so that I can see that it's one. I'm only perceiving anything in separation so I can ultimately see that it's one, anything in separation so I can ultimately see that it's one. I don't need it to do something else with it. I don't need to control anyone's behavior. Everyone's behavior is perfect for me, so I could see what I need to see, see what needs to be forgiven, see what feelings are meant to be brought forward. I don't have to change anyone else brought forward. I don't have to change anyone else.
Speaker 1:You know, communicating with people is basically a matter of extending love. You know, it's like when we're communicating with people, when we're being in gratitude and we're appreciating them and we're appreciating the role they have for us, they're playing for us, and we appreciate the love that's truly in their heart for us. That's how we can see past all of the illusions. You know, people will present as if they're sick, old, tired, burdened. Right, this is the kind of stuff that, uh, that we've witnessed. You know, when we go around and and uh, experience people, we may perceive all that kind of stuff coming out, seemingly negative things coming out. There's no need to try to change anyone, it's really just a matter. And here's where the communication is. It's right there in the mind, where we are connected. So the communication is just in recognizing that. They're fully in charge, they're making their experience what it is, they're projecting their experience, and what I see really easily is the cause and effect. The cause and effect is right there. The cause and effect is right there.
Speaker 1:You know, I've observed people complaining about even appliances. You know, like that piece of shit, and the way it's the emotion that goes behind it. It's like, oh, it's like I'm so victimized because that thing is a piece of shit. Like the way it's said. That is so important to watch, Because the way we say things, with the energy behind it, that's what determines how quickly it manifests. Watch your I am statements. It's the feeling behind them, though it's not the words, it's not in the words. You know, I've often shared I'm a freaking idiot. Now, feel the feeling behind that. It's like I'm glad about that.
Speaker 1:In this dream, I don't have to be anything, I don't have to measure up, for instance, I don't have to do anything anyway. I don't, I don't have any obligations. I don't have any human obligations. I'm not human. I can just be used in whatever way the Spirit wants to use me, because I don't have a way of being. I don't listen to people's way of being where they would tell me you're supposed to do it like this. It's like I'm supposed to do it the way the spirit tells me to do it, not people. It's not according to people. I'll take it in. Of course I listen to everything and listen to the Holy Spirit behind everything. Did you have something, tom? Yeah?
Speaker 2:So the other way. You're right, it's the feeling behind the statement. So mostly the other side is shame.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I'm such an idiot or I'm fat, right, it's definitely shame and almost they're proud of the shame. They're like they want to say it that way and you don't. Yeah, so you're right, we're not here to change them, just notice it and maybe change it inside of us. Yeah, I see it not that way one way of putting it.
Speaker 1:I've heard one sage put it contemplate their return. So it's like you see them happy, you see them joyful, in the feeling of the love of God, of a shared healed perception, and you just let yourself to see them as they are and not how you would have them be. The way you think you see them through your body senses is not how they are. It's the way you would have them be. See that, it's fun, it's interesting, it's interesting to play with it.
Speaker 2:Yes, of course. Miracle says never agree with a victim. Never see them with the way they're trying to be a victim Right. Always see them as the son of God. Uh-huh, go to that level of agreeing with their victim story.
Speaker 1:Yes, I see that going on too. I went to visit a woman who apparently the story is that she just wants to check out. She just wants to check out of this life she's done. She seems to be sitting on a couch accumulating fluids and stuff like that. And you know, I go there with one other woman family member, and the family member is like I know, I'm so sorry for you and I'm like whoa, what an interesting play, what an interesting play.
Speaker 1:So immediately in my mind, in my mind, I'm giving the power back to both of these women that they're trying to take away for themselves. So I'm forgiving for them. That doesn't mean I'm forcing anything on them or manipulating them in any kind of way, but the gift is there when they're ready to receive it. It's like the gift of sovereignty, mental sovereignty, you know, just recognizing I made this for myself. It's like, oh, ok, let me see if I made it for myself. And it doesn't seem to be a happy dream right now. Then what thoughts do I have? What thoughts am I running repeatedly that need to be purified? That's what I want to see, right? And then I know that a lot of people don't know this, but they're also not taking the time to learn this. For the most part they will. When they're inspired to do so, it's all perfect, uh. But you know, maybe, looking at it and go well, maybe I won't look at that machine, for instance, some kind of machine, as being a piece of shit, because we're always communicating with ourselves. So when we're going that especially, it's like that's a piece of shit, with a feeling like you're being victimized, right, with that feeling. When you say it, with that feeling, it's like you manifest automatically more things in your experience that don't work properly. Similarly, you know, if you start looking into anything, you'll find more and more of the same. Did you notice that you go into anything that you want to pick on, pick apart, let's say? You'll see more and more of that.
Speaker 1:I used to notice that with another friend, I'd be riding in a car with him and he'd point out whenever there was an ambulance, and it was like whenever I was in the car with him, we'd keep on seeing ambulances go by. When I wasn't in the car with him, I didn't notice any ambulances. It was very rare, right. It's like, the more you look at something, the more you make it. You look at something, the more you make it. The world is an invention, and the invention is based on an erroneous thought, a thought that made you into something that you're not okay, so it never was real. All right, I got a hand. What fun. Aloha, christina, you can unmute if you want.
Speaker 1:Thank you yay, do you want to be on camera too?
Speaker 3:no, I'm fine, okay, I don't care. I find that gratitude is what puts me into that different place, whatever. I had a situation with some unexpected expense expense and I was freaking out like, oh my God, what is this? This is my credit, whether that's reputation, whatever you want it. However, it went yeah, and then I just prayed upon it and I thought, you know, I'm lucky I have this because it enabled me to resolve it and the resources were there, rather than, which is my has been my normal pattern of freaking out. I just took it in and thought, wow, this is a gift. This proves to me I'm not as broke as I thought I was. I can manage this. I just have to do it in a different way and with gratitude. It all came to pass and it's a wonderful thing, and I think that when those things come up it's what you were saying, the thoughts that aren't spirit related. That is part of our humanity is to embrace those thoughts and see what can I learn from this. Yes, what is teaching me about me?
Speaker 1:Yes, well, you know what it's meant to teach you. What it's meant to teach you from the ego's perspective. And the world is based on error. That's why you can perceive you're getting charged for something that you weren't expecting right, so the world is based on error. That's why you can perceive you're getting charged for something that you weren't expecting Right. So the world is based on error. So what it's meant to show you is that you're not sustained by the love of God, which is a lie. The whole world is based on lies. It is a lie.
Speaker 3:I embrace my humanity, because I believe that that's the form that houses the spirit. I believe that that's the form that houses the spirit and through and through that form.
Speaker 1:I can expand in spirit, right. So through it's, through perceiving the form and the message that's coming through, uh, the erroneous message, the message of the world. That's why you could see, you know, like even thinking that money sustains us is a lie. It's a denial of the fact that we're sustained by the love of God. So it's actually meant to deny that fact, but the Holy Spirit repurposes it for you. If you ask the Holy Spirit to see it differently, you'll see that that, in fact, is a lie, and the truth is that you've only always been sustained by the love of God. Yeah, so the more you see that you're sustained by the love of God not even like an apparent save in the finances or something like that even matters, because being sustained by the love of God means that you don't have to feel afraid whenever you get a perception that there's not enough money, or uh, or you're running out of money or anything to that effect. Yeah, Exactly.
Speaker 3:That is so amazing to me.
Speaker 1:It is, it really is. And yeah, gratitude, gratitude, really, anywhere you can extend that. That's communicating with the particles even of the situation, like being grateful for the situation that says you owe more money. It says you owe more money. See, because of what it's revealing to you. It's all meant to reveal to you that you're not separate, and you do that by bringing the erroneous thoughts about it to the truth Again. The erroneous thought saying that you're not sustained by the love of God and that you must support yourself on your own. You got to find ways to support yourself on your own because you're not sustained by the love of God and that you must support yourself on your own. You got to find ways to support yourself on your own because you're not sustained by the love of God, when it's always, always, only been the love of God that's been sustaining all of us.
Speaker 3:And that's what I gather you felt with when you described your son on the roof. Your son, it was that you gave it to God. You had that trust that God will sustain him. Right, right, that's right.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, there was something for me in that and that's why I asked the spirit you, what should I do here? Right, because I'm going. Wow, it really seems like I want him to get off the roof. And I noticed a very fearful feeling. It was a really scary feeling, like he's gonna fall off the roof and I go. Whoa, that is a really fearful feeling. So, instead of acting on that feeling, I asked the spirit what should I do? And the message was clear to go inside and feel what I feel, see. And then, when I went inside to feel what I feel, I see what's behind it. And what was behind it was a reputation. What reputation would I have as a mom, and how shameful I would look.
Speaker 3:And that's not real.
Speaker 1:Right, if I went inside when my son was on the roof and I let him fall off the roof. See, that's the thing. So listening to the spirit is not always in alignment with what even society would say. Like society would even say, well, you know, you should have got him off the roof, right. But in listening to the spirit, you know, sometimes it's like, wow, really, that's the, that's the guidance. But then, when you really look at it and another thing, spirit showed me in that instance, no one's going to fall off any roof unless it's 100% beneficial for everyone. Right, it's not happening. You cannot even make that happen. Like it has to be beneficial, right. And since it's like something we perceive, it's like if you start having thoughts and you're afraid of something like that, it's like, yeah, that is one possibility, that is one possibility, but you don't want to dwell that either, because that has a better chance of manifesting if you give it the energy and the focus of your thought.
Speaker 3:Then it's more likely to happen just because you're putting it out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly right. And so you know, if you're really like feeling that fearful and you don't know, you're not sure if you hear the Holy Spirit's voice or not, get your kid off the roof because you don't have the faith for it. It's not a bad thing, that's not a bad thing, you know. But you know you want to watch. It's like what is the most beneficial here. So for me, this Holy Spirit showed me the most beneficial is for you to go inside right now and feel what you're feeling, right? So in that case I had to give up a lot of my worldly values and just trust the Spirit's voice right there, that, even if he were to fall off the roof, it would be most beneficial for me and everyone else involved. Right? Because in that recognition then I'm not feeding it, I'm not feeding that kind of circumstance with energy. Right, I get it. It's neutralizing the event. It's totally neutralizing the event. If it happens, it's perfect. That neutralizes the event itself. So it's not calling it forth and really what you're actually calling forth is a feeling, it's a sense like something's lost. Something is lost In this case. Possibly you know your son is lost. At least they're probably going to go to the hospital. Who knows? You never know anything could happen.
Speaker 1:He, he bounces right off the grass and he's like, hey, mom, look, I'm fine. You know it's a dream. That's how I see it and actually I put the most energy behind that. You know, it's all, it's all a feeling. So it's like how much energy are you putting behind it? You know what I'm saying. Like I had energy behind my son when he was my middle son or my oldest son, the one who's now a manager over on Maui and a college graduate, I would put energy behind my son playing too many video games and getting a sense like he's a fat gamer at all. Pale at 35 years old, basically doing the same thing he was doing at 12, but at 35 years old, you know, I'm having that fantasy right Coming up.
Speaker 1:So what the spirit tells me to do on this one is be completely quiet, go to your room and cry by yourself over that Right. Because what the Spirit was showing me is you don't want to be like repressing it, so you're walking around actually projecting that onto him. It's hard for him. That's difficult for him. He doesn't even know why, but it makes him feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:See, because if I'm a mom and I'm walking around, I'm trying to maintain this unschooling thing where I'm allowing my kid to do whatever he wants, and that means he's playing video games, eating Cheetos and not doing any exercise, right, and if I'm sitting there projecting oh, I hope he gets better and all this other stuff, no, I needed to go to my room and cry and accept that the love of God comes through, even if he is 35, eating Cheetos, fat, pale, the whole story, and so then that takes the energy off of the story.
Speaker 1:And then, and then you know, I have a second son who's younger than him, and he's just a different character altogether. And, and you know he's, he's 17 and the older one goes Mom, what are you going to do? And he gives me the same story If he's 35 and he's just still a gamer, he never comes out of his room and he's just pale and all this other stuff. And I go, it'll be fucking awesome just like it is right now. It's like when you're loving the lord and you're basically loving each other, you don't fucking care you don't care, judging them right.
Speaker 1:Judgment is is not non-existent yeah, look, they have their unique path. If that does mean that all they do and you know, my husband says the same thing you know I go, how do you feel about that? And he's like you know what? That guy is so calm and so happy and so content that I feel like he's like a Buddha in my house. He's like I'll continue doing this for as long as he wants to sit there and play video games People keep cats, they don't have to do anything it's like, hey, this is great for our spirit having this, this light around.
Speaker 1:You know what are we going to judge him for playing video games? For what? Do we know what he should be doing? All right, well, thank you for coming on, christina. Thank you, okay. Okay. So now I have another question over here, or statement, or something, from Durga my sister-in-law is in hospice within her small apartment. I seem to be challenged by this experience. I am guided to say I love you. Death is not the truth. I seem to be avoiding visiting again. I am banishing so many fear thoughts and she's asking for suggestions. Yes, yay, okay, they're perfectly fine. They're the same as they've always been. They're the same as God created them. No one ever changes from the way God created them. Okay, no one ever changes from that. So you're recognizing that the way you're perceiving them, the way you're perceiving them as if they're in hospice, is an illusion. Also, it's the most beneficial illusion. Hooray, you're in hospice.
Speaker 2:You made it to hospice. How are you doing? How do?
Speaker 1:you feel it's a fucking dream, you guys. And you know what the funny thing is. People go. How do you go around like that? Like how are people reacting to you when you go around like that? The thing is, I have so much respect for people. I have so much respect for them because I'm aware of the truth in them. I'm aware that they've made their fucking illusions and so they can feel that.
Speaker 1:Right, I was sitting right next to a lady and I told you about her a little bit earlier. She's like really big. She's saying she wants to go home, which basically she means she wants to get the death experience and get out of here. And you know, I'm sitting next to her and I'm just smiling. I got my arm around her. I'm like thank you for being here, you know, and and and just having fun with everything that comes up and laughing and smiling, cause that's how it is, that's how it feels. And you know, meanwhile I'm watching the person who regularly caretakes her going. I'm so sorry, I know, I'm so sorry for the way you feel.
Speaker 1:There's also feeling behind that. That's a feeling. See, everything is a feeling. So for me, I watch my own tone. Does it resonate with my heart. If not, I just keep on making pivots. It's okay, it's not bad, I'm not trying to cover anything up. Okay, it's not bad, I'm not trying to cover anything up. It's going to kind of switch back and forth to resonating with my heart and not resonating with my heart. Especially, you know, if I'm in a situation like this where I'm going to visit someone in hospice, let's say, you know, I get taken by the illusion for a second and oh, it's a down in the dumps, right. But recognizing, you know, whatever you're feeling, that seems like you're, you know, seems like empathy, like, oh, I know it feels so bad, give that to the spirit, it's not bad, you just give it over. You hand it over. I must not be trusting that this is perfect perception for everyone. I know I must not be trusting that this is perfect perception for everyone. I must not be trusting that this is beneficial. That's why I feel like this. That's all. It's not bad to feel it. Get the feeling, recognize that it's actually an opportunity. Every single thing that seems to happen. It's all an opportunity to see that we never left who we are. We're still as God created us. Okay, we've never changed.
Speaker 1:So I had a fun comment on one of my posts. Let me see if I can find it, because I could actually answer this right here. Let's see, sometimes I don't show all the comments now, okay, okay. So one of them. So the world is only a neutral reflection of whatever thoughts we're accepting as truth right now, right now.
Speaker 1:So someone asked me what about the organization of competition for life on the planet? Is there a way out of war? And it's like yes, of course there's a way out of war. There a way out of war? And it's like yes, of course there's a way out of war. Each one of us projects as if war is real or as if it's not real, as if war is justified or if it's not justified. That's basically what it's saying. Is it really justified? In truth, that's what happens with a country that go oh, we have to go to war because of this. Like it's justified somehow, like we should be at war with each other instead of in love with each other. See, you know why I love the sense like I'm in. Okay, here it is.
Speaker 1:Today, a friend got curious. So this is my, my clip that said invulnerability to embarrassment. So basically, as using embarrassment as a catalyst to invulnerability, ok. So someone said see where's this post, where's this comment. It disappeared. I was just there. Ok, hide, hide, see them all. Ah, that's funny, all right.
Speaker 1:So anyways, there was a comment about there on there about getting embarrassed because I know for the fact, uh, for the fact that the person is asexual Well, I don't think they're even really sure they are asexual or not they just notice that they're not having sexual feelings, so they share with someone else that they're asexual. And then that leads to embarrassment Because the person actually feels bad for them for being asexual. So she was asking me about that. And basically, you're not anything, it's not live on Facebook, it's live on Substack. Yeah, basically, you're not anything. You're not asexual, you're not sexual.
Speaker 1:This is just something that's in flux, let's say it fluctuates, so you don't have to identify with anything either way. Right? You just notice, noticing, you know, yeah, apparently in the dream I haven't been sexual for five years, or I haven't thought about sex in five years, or whatever the story is right but also recognizing it's a story, it's not something to be proud of, it's not something to be ashamed of. So when someone reflects something to you, like they feel sorry for you and you notice that you start to feel embarrassed. That means that there's an idea in your mind that something's wrong with it.
Speaker 1:If you're getting the sense that you're embarrassed, you know the way you really would use it for teaching and learning and really for, let's say, for collapsing time, is to see that you made that up. You're the one who made it up. To see that you made that up. You're the one who made it up, so you don't have to get. So you don't. You don't really need to get comfort for this upset feeling that you have because you don't have an upset feeling about it. Then, the more you see it and how you project everything, how you make everything, what you want it to mean for you, then the more you can be like oh, thank you, wow, thanks for doing that. I can really see the care in it. You know someone says they feel sorry for you. It's like, wow, thanks for doing that. I could totally see the care in it. Right, that's the same thing with witnessing. You know people saying, oh, I know I feel so sorry for you. It's like, oh, you could see the care in that. You could also give all power back to their mind the feeling sorry. They're not really feeling sorry for the reason they think, recognizing that, they're not feeling sorry for the other person. They're feeling sorry about the thought of separation and projecting that as if it's outside of themselves to try to avoid it. But you know, it's like you could always be grateful for something. There's this care behind everything, sweet, loving care for one another.
Speaker 1:I observed a woman telling another woman how to manipulate people to get what you want out of them. You pretend like you like them and then you manipulate them to get what you want out of them. And I'm like, wow, that is just so good, it's just so on loudspeaker. It's like, wow, thanks for speaking that out loud. Like that's what's going on when the ego is in charge. And you know it's like look at what you're giving up there, though, to try to manipulate something, to try to manipulate someone to do something for you. Look at what you're giving up. Do something for you. Look at what you're giving up. You're giving up your authenticity. You're demonstrating to your mind a lesson you do not want to learn, that you can't be authentic.
Speaker 1:And then you look at the situation that the person finds themselves in. You know, I was witnessing this this weekend. Looking at the situation that the person finds themselves in all the different situations while thinking they're doing a good job manipulating people, it doesn't look good. It reminds me of where A Course in Miracles says resign as your own teacher. You don't know what you want. You don't know what you want out of these people. You know, I'm observing. Wow, this person is finding more and more pain, suffering, sickness, tiredness in the world apparently in the world, but it's really manifesting out of a mind that thinks it can control the world. This is very different from having command through love. Having command through love is genuine. In having command through love, you don't know how anything should go. You don't know what anyone should do. What you do know, when you know the command you have, is that everything is working out in your favor constantly, even though you can't know what that's supposed to look like.
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Speaker 1:Okay, here's a question. Yay, if I find myself in a hell experience, that's a good question. I like it. I can see it coming. Does this mean I'm making it up? Yes, it does. In short, it does mean you're making it up.
Speaker 1:When anxiety runs amok, how can I find peace? Yes, so basically, you made a story that triggers anxiety and right now, while you're maintaining the anxiety, you believe the story is true. That's why it's anxious. That's what's going to make it anxious. It's fucking awesome because you can get any perception and when you're aware that you're making the perception, any feeling you get about it. It's like hooray. You could bring that feeling to the truth. And really, you know, durga, what you were asking about earlier is how do you handle someone in hospice and all this negative shit? Start doing your whole life like this, like hooray for anything that arises. Now, here's anxiety, here's anxiety. Oh good, this is where Right, this is where I bring illusions to the truth. This is where I collapse time. This is where I join with Jesus. Right, this is where I listen to the Holy Spirit. This is holy ground. Hooray, there's anxiety. Okay, I didn't even read the whole question yet.
Speaker 1:Suddenly my life feels upside down. I've lost proximity to people I love and there's so much chaos that I can't see things differently. Fucking awesome, you're making it like this. See, this is where you go. Oh, this is the. This is where major transformation takes place. This is the instant transformation takes place. This is the instant, okay, knowing, you're knowing right now in your heart that nothing's wrong, right, you're knowing to your heart nothing's wrong, right in your heart, and you're looking at this. So, even if nothing changes, even if nothing changes that is actually the most important part, because that's the ego's fear, that's the ego's whole fear Nothing's going to change, right, of course, everything changes that you made, because you haven't changed. All that's going to change is the way you're seeing it, the way you're seeing it. That's what changes.
Speaker 1:Don't get attached to your fucking circumstances. I mean, this is like really a strong reminder to everyone who's listening. Don't get attached to the circumstances that you seem to have and don't think the ones that you're in are going to last forever. That's a classic example of attachment and aversion. That's all it is. See, it's like loving whatever it seems to be, loving it whatever it is.
Speaker 1:That's what teaches your mind. That's how you demonstrate what you're really here for. I say here like that because no one's really here, but there's a dream that we're here. How do I connect with the Holy Spirit? Okay, yeah, holy Spirit is a still small voice at the bottom of your anxious mind. So there's a lot of different ways to do it. It's really easy though. I mean it's really simple.
Speaker 1:Let's say it's just not easy at all for an ego. It's actually impossible for an ego. So you kind of just leave the ego and you do that with a smile. It's very gentle. The ego is loud. The ego is saying that there's reasons for your feeling this way and these are the thoughts it's giving you the thoughts. It just doesn't make it that obvious that that's what it's doing until you're observing your mind more and more. The more you observe what's going on, the more you'll see the ego is what's offering you thoughts that feel like an attack.
Speaker 1:Okay, so learning to bring those thoughts to the truth, like my mom was talking about how it's really good to have a spiritual practice, or she was sending me something about that where you memorize verses. She memorizes verses of the Bible. Well, here's the thing If you can bring your allusions to the truth over and over again by introducing these thoughts, like what she's talking about Bible verses they're certain thoughts. You can bring all your allusions to these thoughts, thoughts. You can bring all your illusions to these thoughts. And one thought might be nothing. I see, means anything. That's the first lesson in A Course in Miracles. I'm giving it this meaning. Right, that might be a little bit difficult if you're identified as an ego, but you're only identified as an ego through error. You're not an ego. That which is speaking is not you, so you don't have to listen to that.
Speaker 1:Your heart is broken, okay, yeah. So having the sense that your heart is broken. Your heart can't be broken, that's a fact, but having the sense that your heart is broken, that's like a hooray moment when I get that sense and you know. I don't know what Victoria you are. It's a name that's on here, but if you've been following me for a little while. You might know that I went through an experience of having a broken heart pretty recently too. And you know, knowing that it's an experience, my heart cannot be broken. And getting an experience that I have a broken heart, knowing that that is for my seeing, it's for my awakening, allows me to use that feeling. So I'll use that feeling. Ah, broken heart.
Speaker 1:Holy Spirit, how would you have me see this differently? Because this pain that I'm projecting onto myself is truly pain of separation. It's not pain from having circumstances change. It sounds like what you might be talking about is either some loss in some form, some apparent perceived loss in some form, like maybe someone breaking up, maybe someone moving away, maybe someone passing away, anything like that. It's all the same, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1:But even the thought that says you can't see things differently, that's also the ego. Of course. You can see things differently. So you might change to a thought, and you know you're putting a lot of feeling behind it anyways. So keep doing that, keep putting all this feeling behind it.
Speaker 1:Say, I'm determined to see it differently. That's good too. I'm willing to see things differently, right. Or I'm determined to see things differently. You want to see it differently. While this is up, while it's up for you, while it's coming up, you want to see it differently. You don't want to let it pass away. And you know what I mean is all these feelings pass away, like the broken heart. It arises and it passes away, however long it takes. It goes through some kind of cycle and then it's gone. You want to catch it while it's live, while that feeling is live, because during the time that it's live and it seems like you have a broken heart, that's where it's really potent. It's the most potent for you to hand it over to the spirit. See, it might seem like it's harder too, but it's not actually harder, it's only harder. It only seems harder because the meaning that you gave to it, but that doesn't mean that it actually has that meaning. That's why there's no difference between these different illusions.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, another way of seeing that differently is you could see it as the heart is broken open.
Speaker 1:That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a way of looking at it differently, and that must be. It must be breaking open for a reason Right To receive something.
Speaker 1:Yes, the heart is so. One way he's saying it is you could see it as the heart is broken open, and that really goes in line with the hooray Hooray. See, there's a sense of a broken heart and it's not about what I think it's about. It's not even about what I think it's about. It's not even about what I think it's about. Like, in my case, I got the sense that I had a broken heart because it seemed like I finally had connected with my what you might call the closest thing to a twin flame, right. And then there's the sense that, oh my God, but I met him when he's immature. What the fuck, right? So there's this sense of loss. There's like this deep sense of loss, and it's like, oh good, I know what this is for, because it sure the fuck is not about him, no matter how much it may seem like it's about him. And you know, I may have experience after experience and go, wow, none of this experience that I seem to have even compares to being with him. Holy shit, right. But it's like man, even that thought it's all just coming from the ego. So you just bring it to the truth. There's no thing like that, there's no possibility for there to be any loss. But the sense that there is is actually bringing you in more to your center, less to relying on external circumstances or events to be anything Right.
Speaker 1:By the way, I get the sense that there is no such thing as the twin flame. I'm getting the sense that there is no such thing. There's just that there's some people who are meant to be reflecting to you in a more potent feeling way. Potent feeling, way, right. But if you buy into the idea that that particular situation is now lost, whatever it may be, that particular situation is now lost to me because I don't have that particular circumstance or that particular person, you make that true for yourself, especially if you're noticing a lot of emotion behind it, right? So what I put a lot of emotion behind is the truth that all of that comes from me. So I could keep on seeing that more and more. The truth is all of it came from me, wow, wow, that's amazing. Came from me, wow, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:And you know what that person was reflecting to me, that I seem to have fallen in love with, right, I seem to be falling in love with is an aspect of myself that I don't automatically see. So it's like, yeah, I want to see more of that in myself. What did I see in that person that I fell in love with? I saw gentleness. I saw childlike innocence. I saw an appreciation, a deep appreciation. I saw meditation, right, I saw all these aspects that are in me that I don't readily recognize, and that's why it seems like I need this person around and gosh, that's such a blessing. I love that. And then I'm not in charge of whether he's around and I'm sure I don't need him around.
Speaker 1:So, release the idea that it should be any different. Yes, yes, really, that means bringing it to the truth, that it should be just that as it is. That's really the key to seeing that everything is perfect as it is, and you could say it's the key to enlightenment that you would let things be exactly as they are, with the sense of a broken heart, not trying to sugarcoat it or anything. You're noticing what's the perception? What does the perception say that they did to you? Let that come out. Feel it Right. What does the perception say is unfair about that? Let it come up with recognition that you're making it up. This is so important. Yay, I love you guys. Okay, durga says yes, potent, teachable moments. Hooray to the application of ACIM lessons, thanks for the teaching.
Speaker 1:Acim as a practical internship. To the truth, she's talking about a course in miracles. In case you're not familiar, that's what ACIM is and, yes, it is meant to be a practical course. It talks about it being a practical course. It totally talks about that. So, for instance, if you're going, god I'm so fat, for instance, or God I look so old, or God I'm so wrinkly, or something like that, that perception, with that feeling, actually manifests more of that for you. It's like you're just looking in that direction. So the person asked me what should I do? You're welcome, victoria, I love you. So the person asked me, what should I do? And I go.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, here's another way of looking at it. You can go noticing like how you what feels the best to you, like, let's say, what way of your body looking feels the best to you, and go, oh fuck, yeah, thank you, that you can. You can imagine that. You can just imagine that. See, it's like. It's like, wow, God's will for you is perfect happiness. So put some emotion behind what you think makes you happy.
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean that's way different than trying to look for something in the world to manifest that for you. That's way different than telling yourself God, I got to exercise more. God, I got to eat better. What kind of a prayer is this? See? And this could just be thought and not even coming out of your mouth. It's the energy that's behind it. See, like, for me, I'll just picture something and I'll just smile and go, hmm, oh yeah, oh yeah, thank you. And then that's where the gratitude comes in. Okay, yeah, and see that actually, it speaks to all yourselves to go in that direction. Right, it's like oh yeah, that's possible, right, and your imagination is everything, it's doing everything. It's actually doing everything. It's making your whole perception. Everything, it's actually doing everything. It's making your whole perception. Oh, this is terrible.
Speaker 1:For instance, all the men only want to get in my pants, right, like when I was in Mexico and I kept on having this perception over and over again. It's like, wow, every single one of them seems to like want me for sex, and I go, I'm making that up. That's how I want it. Right, I'm the one making that up, right, and any kind of uncomfortable that I feel, I know that's coming from me too, you know. So I keep on fucking around this perception and then I end up getting a perception oh wow, this is really uncomfortable. But I still know. I just maintain what the truth is. I still know I'm making this up. I'm even making this sense of uncomfort, sense of uncomfort, right.
Speaker 1:So then you can see past any illusion that anyone is imposing on you definitely one of my favorite illusions too. I mean, this idea is so prevalent. I've witnessed it over and over, especially living in a community where it seems like especially men can take advantage of women, but I've also seen people use women can take advantage of men, or bully them or be mean to them or something like that. So, getting this perception over and over again, it's like, hey, you did it like this and that was wrong, right, especially to men, you did it like this and that was wrong. And so they get really sensitive to your perception, right. They get really sensitive to you saying that this is my perception, because it's followed up with. This is wrong.
Speaker 1:The thing is, we make these things together. It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm getting a perception of this. You didn't do anything wrong. We are playing in this together, though. We are playing in this together, though. We are playing in this together. So what this means is, if we're playing this together and I'm getting the sense that I'm feeling uncomfortable and you're getting the sense that you're being judged, that's for us to see together, that's for us to see through. Hooray, that's what it's for, isn't that so fun. We can all play like children. We don't have to make anyone guilty. We can all play like children. We don't have to make anyone guilty.
Speaker 1:And you know, I get the perception all the time People are trying to make me guilty, especially knowing that I'm a, I'm a spiritual teacher, right, and saying the things that I say, even saying the F word, even get some, you know, uh, like you, you, what you might call disrespect, dissing, because I say the f word, like, somehow it means that I'm, I'm less evolved spiritually. That's perfect for me, right? For one, it's coming from my own mind. For two, it's a playful opportunity to demonstrate to my own mind that I'm still as God created me. I'm actually watching a show, I'm watching a movie of a woman awakening, of a woman awakening. So however that goes is fine with me.
Speaker 1:The end is the same. See, I'm not what's becoming awakened, I'm not that which is becoming awakened? That's not possible. I haven't changed from the way God created me, so it's just fun and funny when it seems even it seems like someone's trying to convince me that I'm doing it wrong. They're not outside of myself.
Speaker 1:So, in the first place, you know, while you believe and this is some of the advice I've given people before and you know it's just really playful, you could use it if you want While I'm perceiving in separation and it seems like those people, for instance, want me to believe that I'm doing it wrong, fuck those guys. See what I mean. It's like fuck that idea. It's like in a playful way Right, fuck that idea. I don't buy into that. You're more rebellious in that stage. It's okay, yeah, and I love that about myself. Exactly, right, really, I mean, that's what it leads to. I love that about myself and thank you. Thank you for letting me know.
Speaker 1:That was a thought that they really loved. It went over really well with the. One of the other women brought it up. She rephrased that to her own phrasing, which I forgot what it was right now, but you know it made sense to her and it was light and it made her laugh and that's the thing it's like. Thank you for letting me know.
Speaker 1:And so I kind of see how there's this progression of energy. You know, when someone's really distraught and they're like oh god, it just feels like, oh, and they're such close family members my husband and my son, the only ones in my life they're telling me, they hate me. Right now they're telling, telling me what a fuck up I am, what a loser I am. You know, it's like when it's all wild like that and you allowed it to go to that place. But basically you were following thoughts bringing it to that place. It's like, fuck those guys, who cares what they think Right.
Speaker 1:And then you evolve that you just get gentler and gentler with yourself. You don't have to all of a sudden jump to the end. You can go little by little, right, fuck those guys. And then you start bringing it to the truth. You start looking at it. At first you're not listening to that story. They got a bullshit story that they're saying Not listening to that story. They got a bullshit story that they're saying not listening to that story. And then you go oh, oh, what if that's true in their story? Oh, what if that's really true in their story? To them it's true right now. Holy shit, I love that about myself myself. I love that I'm playing my part in this agreement, that I'm going to be that to them. That's fucking awesome and wow, thank you for letting me know.
Speaker 1:So we people our world the way we want it to be peopled. We only see them as we would have them be. We do not see them as they are. It's as we would have them be, and they play that with us. They play that part for us. That's deserving of gratitude right there that they would do that for us, and also their pure love for us and their willingness to walk home with us, to go home with us.
Speaker 1:I so love it when I meet a willing participant. That's what I love about staying here with Thomas. He is a willing participant, right, you know. That's like. What does that really mean? It's like we would both surrender to the truth and we help each other surrender to the truth rather than give in to attacks. We support each other in our mutual surrender and it's not a matter of anyone trying to leave anyone else behind. It's a matter of truth prevailing For me. I have a strong line to the truth. That's what my perception reveals to me again and again and again. I just have a really strong line to the truth, like a direct line to what's true. So when I get a perception, anyone's perceiving anything wrong like for Thomas, if he seems to be dealing with a fearful thing or something like that it's so simple for me to see and to reflect to him. There's no cause for fear here, it's all love. And then he's willing to see like he's got that. That's the willing participant. He's willing to see oh, this is all love. You know.
Speaker 1:It's like when I get anyone you know like reflecting to me hey, the way you do things, the way you are, it feels like judgment. The way you are, it feels like judgment. The way you just speak things out like this, it feels like judgment. And I'll bring them to the truth. What is this judgment about?
Speaker 1:Because I know I don't feel judged. Whenever you judge, you feel judged, you feel judged, and I'm like I know I don't feel judged at all. That's how you know. You judged, you feel judged. So what is this judgment about? Well, I'm perceiving that you're being judgmental and it's like why do you want to see it like that? And then notice that because that's a really good, that's a really good teaching right there. It's like man, no one is even capable of judging. Let's say, even if they meant to be judging, no one is even capable of judging. Let's say, even if they meant to be judging, how am I going to feel judged unless I thought judgment was true? How am I going to feel like that's the case, right, and it's like knowing that you're not Stuck in any kind of situation. It's like if I get the sense that I'm feeling judged, I can get out of it right now, and if I'm getting the sense that I'm hanging out with someone that's feeling judged, that is definitely changing.
Speaker 1:They won't hold on to that for long. Either they're going to be apparently separating away from me on the surface or they're going to change over to just feeling at ease, at peace with themselves. See, this is why all relationships can be used for healing, because we actually communicate on a level that's beneath all of the manifestation. We communicate with each other's truth. So if I'm constantly willing to see that the person in my perception is totally blessing me, totally serving me, that their perceptions about fear and untruth and judgment and all that stuff are totally just misperceptions, they won't be able to stand it. They cannot maintain their illusion and keep me around. That's just how it works. I don't have to be in charge of that one bit. It's only as long as I would make the illusion true that the manifestation can continue about us even being hanging out together us even hanging out together, see. So they either change along with me or some kind of a split occurs, a parent split occurs, but that's only on the surface.
Speaker 1:We always stay in communication. We always do. We always stay in communication. Everyone we ever interact with. We stay in communication with them. Whenever they cross our mind, we are communicating with them. That's why I'll make sure, when a person crosses my mind, that I'm extending gratitude, at a minimum extending gratitude. If it seems like something else, I'll just make sure there's extending gratitude in there. If it seems like something else, I'll just make sure there's extending gratitude in there. But you know I get it because I went through the process myself that maybe you're not all the way to extending gratitude right now. Right For a time, you might need to feel through some angry thoughts. Just know that they're not justified, so you don't stay there. Staying alert to the present moment means being willing to feel everything. Feel all the sensations that you're projecting, being willing to see what everyone is giving you. It's a blessing.
Speaker 1:Whenever I see someone cry, I think it's so cute, I think it's so adorable and, myself included, it actually looks like a show. I saw this since I was a kid, when I was witnessing myself crying, and I seem to have gotten hurt pretty bad. I seem to have burned my leg on a tailpipe, a hot tailpipe. It seemed to be legitimate why I would be crying. I was a little kid, I was maybe like seven years old. It seemed to be legitimate why I would be crying. I was a little kid, I was maybe like seven years old. It seemed to be legitimate. I just burned myself on a tailpipe, had a huge blister to show for it, but I witnessed my own crying and I go this is a show, I'm acting. I could see myself acting and I could really see it clearly that it's acting. I could see right past it. So I can't buy into the fact that there is the idea that there is justification for this sadness that brings on the tears. I was just kind of like oh that's, that's so sweet.
Speaker 1:You know, one of my aunts started crying this weekend. We're just sitting at the table, random, seemingly random, it's never really random, but it's all orchestrated. Uh, and she goes. She just suddenly starts crying. She just suddenly goes and your mom and she was so sick I don't want to see her sick like that again and then starting crying and I'm like, oh, thanks for letting me know, right, and smile at her. And later on my mom was going.
Speaker 1:I was wondering how you were going to handle that, because she was just going with how she goes, with all the negativity, and it's just like, oh, you know, good to know, happy about that, happy to know about it. Oh, what fun. It's a matter of you know, everyone's making it up. Everyone is actually making it up. The Durga says what about? It's a matter of you know, everyone's making it up. Everyone is actually making it up. The Durga says what about tears of joy? Yes, that's different. Truly, joy is like the essence. You could say joy is the essence of what we are. You could say joy is the essence of what we are. So, tears of joy, you could say that's clearing the mask. It's like clearing it out, and you know there are ways of crying too. It's like how much awareness are you allowing behind the tears? Are you looking at the tears as if they're justified, as if, oh, this is really sad.
Speaker 1:You know, in this case we seem to be face to face with someone who does not want to know the truth. But they enjoy and appreciate a person not reacting to them in the normal way that people react to them. They appreciate that it was really sweet. The same aunt was like hey, are you guys staying? I got some more food for you if you're staying. You know just really sweet. The same aunt was like hey, are you guys staying? I got some more food for you if you're staying. You know, just really sweet to us. I let her know I was nourished just by the thought of her having food for us. That was so sweet. Right, it's just so sweet. It just shows love, it shows loving, kindness and that's what we do Without trying to change a person. Like you shouldn't be crying or something like that. It's like oh, yeah, okay, you're listening and you're grooving, right.
Speaker 1:So then I hear a story of oh God, she's so negative. Though it wears on me, it makes me tired. Here's the thing about that. It seems like that, but really, even being in that situation and having that perception that someone else's energy is wearing on you and making you tired. You've worked yourself into that situation. You've worked yourself into that mindset by believing that you can be affected by other people's energy and someone can't be exactly where they need to be. So now, this is the moment to see that you're making up the idea that they can have any effect on you. Actually, your thoughts about them are having an effect on you. That's all that can have an effect on you, and every thought about them that seems negative, that feels negative and that you're feeding with emotion. You're actually making yourself sick, injured, stiff, old, tired, burdened, broke. That's what's going on there, and this isn't something to be afraid of, because it's so simple that you just recognizing that you're faced with a delusional thought, one that's telling you that that this person can somehow suck your energy from you and smile at it immediately, you have no enemy. Now this lack of energy is met with more energy, you automatically have more energy. Truth equals, in the illusion, more energy.
Speaker 1:Someone asked me today do you ever perceive yourself getting colds? Well, I could say that I don't think. It doesn't seem to be. I wasn't keeping track, but they asked me this and I go, I think it has been. I don't remember having a cold since I started block therapy. That was 2022. That was like February of 2022 or having anything like that.
Speaker 1:Once in a while I'll notice a little symptom, like a pop-up, and immediately when the symptom pops up, I'm like okay, what am I holding against myself? That's shooting that thing into my body's energy field. That's always what's going on. That's the first thing, and I don't go into thoughts about, oh no, what's going to happen if I get sick. I don't start planning for getting sick. Right, that's what a lot of people do, right, you start planning for getting sick. You'll notice one symptom and go okay, if this goes down, I'm going to do this and this and this and this and this and this. No, first thing that comes to my mind how am I attacking myself? How am I making it hard on myself? What am I resisting? And hard on myself, what am I resisting? What am I not saying? You know, it's like I must be resisting something right now and I'm popping it up right now. See, so when I say something like, what am I not saying? What am I afraid to say? Really, because that's what's being held up right now and I got a fun picture of that.
Speaker 1:This weekend One of my family members apparently went through some molestation Very common in my family Not so common in this generation, but the generation before that so common and apparently another one of my family members, her mom, wants to stay with the guy who did the molesting Okay, who apparently did the molesting. So, uh, I asked my mom, I go, I, oh, she's probably just needs to let that. I'm talking about the family member who seems to have been molested, let's say my niece, um, so my mom goes, my mom goes, no, she can't say anything about it. Your sister would be devastated. Her mom would be devastated if she said anything about the molestation publicly. I go, mom, you realize this is the exact same story you told me when I was a kid. You realize this is the same story. I said I need to get this out. You know, I had the sense that my mom's husband this is the exact same thing playing out. I mean, this is like a psychologist's dream come true. It proves their every theory. This is the same exact thing my mom said to me. You can't say anything about it, it'll devastate other family members. You know what'll happen if you let that out, someone will kill you. That was the story I heard. Someone's going to kill you, he's connected to mafioso people and they're going to kill you. Right, it was a story. And I didn't realize it was a story at first. I kind of was like, oh shit, I guess I'll just keep that a secret. But it only took like two years after that and I was like, oh fuck that, let them kill me if they want to kill me for telling a story. I'm telling the story. I'm telling the story of the molestation, and you know that is a step for getting it out.
Speaker 1:Eventually it goes to forgiveness. You know, if you're good at forgiveness already, it goes straight to forgiveness. But it doesn't go to forgiveness at all by keeping it repressed, right, and here's the thing that keeps it going to what I see too. It's like let's just keep everything a secret, let's just keep it all a secret. You know, if you're, if you're getting the perception that someone is touching you in a way that's making you feel uncomfortable, definitely keep that a secret.
Speaker 1:You don't want to bum anyone out, for instance, right, first it needs to be brought to the surface and then forgiven in the light of truth. First brought to the surface, you know, it's like, in a way, I can appreciate how my parents were like, hey, don't say anything about that, it didn't really happen, it's your imagination, it's actually true. Well, now that I look at it, I go, wow, that's true. But that's not how forgiveness is going to happen. It actually needs to be brought out. And imagine, you know, look at, if you're done hiding behavior. You're done hiding behavior. Hiding it, you're going to see much faster because you're not repressing things.
Speaker 1:And you know, girls were taught to be ashamed, and that's in my day too. Girls were taught to be ashamed whenever they were, whenever they, let's say, molested. No one really molests anyone. I want to say that still, it's really repressing it and not healing it when you teach girls to be ashamed of it, see, or let's say, we learn to be ashamed of it, because we don't have to learn to be ashamed of it either. It's all our own mind. So what I realized is I don't have anything to be ashamed of. Let the story be told, let it come out in the open, right, and then people can see oh, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to do something.
Speaker 1:If it's just going to come out, everyone's going to talk about it all the time, right? You just notice, when we talk about these things, it gives you a second look. It's like it's a second look. You know, just imagine this. Imagine all the time, because this is the truth. All the time the Holy Spirit is watching you, all the time Jesus is watching you. Not that you're not a hundred percent forgiven in that moment, but you can think of everyone is watching and then acting from that. That's guidance. Everyone is watching. That's actually the case. Everyone is watching and all eyes are your own. You know so, I might say. I've even heard myself say too it's like man, if you don't want that talked about, don't do it. Right, if you don't want that talked about, don't do it.
Speaker 1:These things that you seem to do, that you do in secret. You do out of a guilty self-conscious. If you're asking the Holy Spirit, you're not going to perceive yourself as doing anything you wouldn't be totally happy with someone talking about. And then there's the person's perception happy with someone talking about, and then there's the person's perception. If you're totally happy with how you be, you're not going to mind anyone's perception. It's only when you're not happy about it you're secretly unhappy about it. You're going to take it as if someone else's perception of you is damaging. You know you could do this as a spiritual practice too. Just see if you could sit with someone else's perception of you without trying to fix it.
Speaker 1:That really demonstrates, to your mind, that you are invulnerable to anything like that. You're invulnerable to these kinds of things that seem to cause you to be in a threatening situation. Like you ruined my reputation, right. Like you ruined my reputation, right. Like even in our legal system we have slander and defamation, right. We have this thing and there's a you know there's some elements to this. It's known as a crime and there's some elements to it and it's like you know, with there's intentional and then there's negligent. So negligent is like you kind of like don't know what effects it's going to have, but then it has effects where it ruins the reputation in the community. It makes it so that they can't make money, something like that man just believing that you could be damaged by something like that. That's not to say that you shouldn't sue someone. You can find yourself suing someone, it'll be fine.
Speaker 1:Just recognizing that what you're really doing is playing out a fantasy, it's okay. It's okay, you play out all fantasies just to know that and come back to we are one. That's why you play out all fantasies is to come back to we are one. Imagine yourself being totally invulnerable to what anyone ever says, because, even if things seem to go a wrong way for you, it's exactly what you need. It's always exactly what you need.
Speaker 1:Someone was telling me a story it might have been Thomas. It was about a near-death experience of someone who it was you, thomas as someone who crashed their car, killed their family Apparently. It was their fault, they were behind the wheel and they ended up living, but they had a near-death experience that showed them. The whole reason they're having this circumstance is so that they can demonstrate guiltlessness, because, you know, when they had their near-death experience, they saw the, the guiltlessness they saw it. So now their function within this role of being a man wasn't it a man too? A man killing, I believe, his female family members, right, just to add that spin to it. And then, when he went into the spirit realm, he was shown that he's totally innocent. So now his function in here is to demonstrate his complete innocence, because that's what he knows Once he had that near death experience, and he experienced the truth of it.
Speaker 1:It's like you can't even go back to pretending like you're remorseful. It makes no sense. It actually makes no sense. So demand that of no one as well. That's the other thing. Demand that from no one.
Speaker 1:Whatever my perception seems to be, that does not mean someone needs to change. See, that's the thing, and that's what I share with my brothers and sisters too, who will reflect back to me. I need you to change and I'm like that's not the truth. I'm taking it in. Here's how I communicate it. I'm taking it in what you're sharing with me right now and I'm telling you that's not the truth. You don't need me to be any different for you to be okay. I am the way I am. I am going to be the way, I'm going to be Right. No one is forced to hang out with me. That's the thing. No one, no one's. Everyone's doing. Everyone who's hanging out with me. I don't have them. I don't have anything over them. I'm not making them hang out with me. They can leave the situation anytime.
Speaker 1:If I seem to be, I shared with Thomas, you know, if it seems like I'm too much, don't be hesitant about saying I need you to get out of here, because I'm not going to feel like it's bad, I'm going to feel like that's a blessing too and that's fucking awesome, and it's not going to change the way I love you or anything like that. So, yay, a seeming history of your transparency. This is what seems to make you an exquisite teacher. I'm not sure what you're referring to there, durga, but thank you for that. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was the burning my leg when I was a kid and seeing that my crying about it was actually an act. Yeah, so I see anyone's tears as an act and you know someone was asking me, you know it. Just it just in a, in a casual, friendly way, just going yeah, I bet everyone's like really just laughing along with you, kind of like a sarcastic way. I bet everyone's just laughing with you and I'm like, yeah, they are laughing with me, even if they seem to be reflecting something else. But what I notice is, because of the deep respect that I have for each and every person, when I do laugh, normally people don't take it as being made fun of, but occasionally that does occur and then in that case I just ask the spirit, how to be with that, like the sense that someone feels like they're judged from my laughter, and I also noticed this has happened all throughout my experience with this lifetime is a lot of the times people will get shocked by me, into a sense like I've done something bad or wrong. That's a very common thing for me and then come back around to the truth as if it shocks them. And I've even seen this in A Course in Miracles about people getting shocked first and then coming into more truth. And you know that role is easy for me to play because I will listen to the Spirit, no matter if it seems to go around.
Speaker 1:Every person interpretation of what I've done. And you know, last week, when I used my friend's name and talked about my uncomfortable feelings, I got from both sides of the aisle. You know some people were just like and men I haven't even heard from women at all, just men, men going. You know a couple men going one, the one that seemed it seemed to be about, or took it as being about, him, and then another guy that's fucked up to be saying stuff like that, and another man going well, shit, they're finding themselves in that situation. That's what they need to hear, right, and you know.
Speaker 1:Neither one is really true. It's not like they should be, or shouldn't? I just asked the Holy Spirit how to be with this, and the Holy Spirit shows me. It's not like they should be or it shouldn't. I just ask the Holy Spirit how to be with this, and the Holy Spirit shows me. And it's always fun and it's always enlightening, because I know that it's beneficial and no matter what anyone tries to reflect to me, they deserve it. Nope, I don't accept that. That doesn't make any sense and no one deserves anything but perfect happiness and love. Right? Is it 100% beneficial? Yes, that's what it is. And why is it beneficial? Because it uplifts all of us, myself included. Right, I don't have to perceive my brothers as if they can do anything to me. I can get back to seeing that. I make it all up, right, all right, etta Mae, thank you for coming on. I love you. You can unmute yourself. Okay, I think I got unmuted. You are unmuted. Do you want to come on camera or do you like it like this?
Speaker 4:I like it like this because I'm painting Okay, perfect, yeah, okay, I know we're supposed to be closing right now, but I have a question camera, or do you like it like this? I like it like this because I'm painting okay, perfect, yeah, um, okay, I know we're supposed to be closing right now, but I have a question and I can't answer this right now because of the ending. That's fine, no, I'm gonna answer it, okay. So I'm really um, diving into some of the coursework and also listening to you and hearing about asking the Spirit, and I'm just curious, like I'm playing with this new, like I don't know, conversation maybe you could call it and I'm just wanting to hear more of other people's experiences of talking to the Spirit and receiving the guidance and knowing what to do, and I don't know if you could speak to that, just because I know you have experience with that and I've been doing this my whole life. But I feel like I'm entering into a new realm of it and I just would love to hear about that more.
Speaker 1:Okay. So the Spirit speaks for God, the Holy Spirit speaks for God and God's will for you is perfect happiness. So you can tell by the fluctuations in your body's energy field when something is stirring. Let's say and so when you ask the Spirit to help you see and also help you make any decisions and make them for you, then you know that that's how it is, that's how you're certain. When you're asking like that, that's how you're certain that you know because it feels inspirational. Right, so it's what feels inspirational and it's a deeper feeling. That's deeper, from the feelings in the unconscious mind. It's a visceral sense. So like, for instance, when uncomfortable thoughts and feelings are arising, all feelings are made of thought. They're a thought first before they're a feeling.
Speaker 1:Okay, when some uncomfortable feelings like that are arising, I ask the spirit to help me to see it the way the spirit would have me see it and help me with my words and everything. And I'm in observation mode. So I'm watching in the body's energy field. Where is the inspiration coming? And that's in the spirit. So it may be to speak, it may be not to speak. It may be not to speak, it may be just to observe. It may be to bring thoughts of the truth. So one thing that was for me when I was getting the sense of an uncomfortable sensation you know I trust my brothers who are one with me.
Speaker 1:That's a really common one that I would use in the in the event where it seems like someone is like kind of like taking over the energy.
Speaker 4:Right, I trust my brothers who are one with me see, yeah, so we can see go ahead and, um, you know, I, I the the ego centric thoughts coming from fear, and then the opposite is the source thoughts coming from love. Sometimes I'm like, okay, is this spirit speaking to me or is this my ego, you know? And it's like yeah. So I'm just like trying to like yeah, but you're saying like it's in the in, like how your body feels, and that's when you're feeling joy and inspiration. You know that's coming from god, right?
Speaker 1:because the joy and inspiration comes from the foundation of the mind. So, like, there's the foundation of the mind and then there's all these ego thoughts, unconscious ego thoughts, and they become conscious when they come with a feeling. They kind of like rise to the surface. So you got these ego thoughts rising to the surface, all this unconscious mind and the foundation of the mind, which is perfect. Love, the foundation of the mind. So that's the still small voice. It's beneath all the wild, raucous ego thoughts. Ego thoughts feel rushed, they feel tired. There's a certain tone to them. Yeah, there's a certain tone to them Like, oh, I got to do this, you know.
Speaker 1:I've got to make this thing happen. Control, manipulation, anything like that. Anything that seems like you need a particular outcome, that's the ego. Anything that moves to evaluate yourself or anyone else for right or wrongness is the ego. Anything seeking to evaluate behavior, anything projecting the future, anything lamenting about the past. See, it's fun to see what the ego is, and it's really good to see what the ego is. So you can recognize the voice of ego and see the contrast between the voice of ego and the voice of spirit, because the voice of spirit is always uplifting and the voice of spirit, because the voice of spirit is always uplifting and it always uplifts you with your brother, not apart from your brother. The ego would lift you apart from your brother, which is impossible, so you really don't go anywhere. It's a temporary comfort to the ego. This is really helpful. Thank you, yay, thank you too. I love you. Thank you for being on wisdom. Yeah, all right. Yay, everyone. So until next time, and I'll be back next week. It's gonna be so much fun. Um, let me know if you have any questions. You can send your questions to me. I'll take care of them here on Wisdom Dialogues. Otherwise, you know I always have plenty to talk about. No problem, if you don't send any questions, I will be coming back next week. My plan is to be here in Sedona. Still, I know the plan is always changing, so I keep you updated here. To stay here in Sedona until the end of October, that's still my plan. I put a flyer out saying I was going to do this for six weeks. This is week two. I also do A Course in Miracles Deep Dives on Wednesday at the same time and it's at the same place. You could find my calendar on hopejohnsonorg. Aloha Meleka, I love you. My calendar is on hopejohnsonorg. You can click there. You can find these recordings. You can find how to join these recordings. You can donate to me there. You can book one-to-ones with me there.
Speaker 1:After going to Bullhead City and meeting that sweet tribe over there, it seems like I will be staying there at some point. I'm not sure where that's going to fit in, whether it's before I go to Washington or after or in the middle of it or something like that, but I found a community over there I just happened to stumble upon it seems. I know everything's orchestrated, but I ended up at a women's freedom from alcohol group and that happens to be a center where they take guest speakers and stuff like that, and I'm being offered a nice casita to myself and also a pool. A pool is there, and this is with two women who like to do all kinds of cool stuff, so that definitely sounds like a fun option. It's kind of close to here. They even said they'll come and get me three and a half hours away, so I might find myself over there, who knows, maybe in November, and let me know if there's somewhere you want to come. I'm just want me to come.
Speaker 1:I'm just seeing where the greatest resonance is, where there's a group of people or people that feel the most open and where I'm guided to be. So feel free to let me know if you want to host me and we'll have a talk about it. Also, I do offer live-in service, which you kind of automatically get that when you host me, especially depending how close quarters we are. You know, like with Thomas, we're living in the same very small space and we like to hang out with each other a lot. So he'll give you a review of what that's like to live with me and have that kind of transformational bridging once it's done. I've got about another month with him and so far it seems to be totally awesome, like anything that comes up, our being willing participants with each other. It just gets shown in the light of truth and so much adventure and learning takes place. So I'm really happy to share this with him and with all of you, and I love you so much and until next time, mahalo aloha and a hui hou. I love you, thank you.
