Undoing Separation: How Embracing Feelings Dissolves Suffering | Wisdom Dialogues @ Sedona | October 27, 2025

What If Nothing You See Is Causing Your Suffering?

This episode begins with a radical invitation: What if the world isn’t doing anything to you? Not illness, not aging, not politics, not your relationships—nothing. Instead, what if every emotional charge is an echo of rejected feeling returning to be received and released?

From this starting point, we walk a living path of transformation:

• Feel before you think—let sensation rise first, without attaching a story.
• Refuse to justify your feelings—and watch the false undo itself.
• Stop managing life, and start allowing love to reinterpret every experience.

Along the way, we dismantle the hidden beliefs behind:

• Aging, sickness, and health anxiety
• Productivity culture and exhaustion cycles
• Political outrage and social warfare
• Relationships that trigger deep longing, fear, or control

You’ll hear real-life stories—a luxury restaurant that forgot our table, an IRS audit, a viral comment storm—and watch each one turn from tension to laughter to miracle with one simple shift in perception.

We redefine productivity as a state of rest in God, expose why you can’t “fix” your life using the same mind that believes it’s broken, and show how defenselessness is the greatest safety you’ll ever know.

We also go straight into the topics the ego uses to divide us: war, racism, crime, politics, gender. Not to choose a side, but to reveal the root belief in separation playing out beneath every narrative. When you stop arguing with your projections, compassion becomes your natural state—and joy starts leading the way.

If you’re ready to:
✨ Stop fighting your own thoughts
✨ Feel deeply without defending yourself
✨ Let joy override fear—without needing anything in the world to change

…then this dialogue will meet you perfectly.

Chapters

• 0:00 From Sedona: Setting The Tone
• 0:38 There Is No Ego And Why That Heals
• 2:57 Illness, Aging, Death As Thought Effects
• 5:28 Frustration As A Signal Not A Problem
• 8:12 Productivity Reframed: Worthy Of Rest
• 12:00 Choosing State Of Being Over Circumstance
• 14:45 Gratitude In Triggering Moments
• 16:35 The Restaurant Story: Denying The Hook
• 20:12 Practice, Certainty, And Gentle Results
• 23:16 Pain, Block Therapy, And Using Sensation
• 26:20 Deciding To Come Back To Truth
• 28:12 World Wisdom As Foolishness
• 30:30 Forgiveness Collapses Time
• 33:20 You Can’t Use Light To Seek Light
• 36:40 Body, Ego, And Denying Reality
• 40:24 Nothing To Attain, Only Joy Now
• 43:28 Projection, Opinion, And Social Conflict
• 47:00 Jail, Death, And Radical Safety
• 50:20 Idiot Freedom And Not-Knowing
• 53:10 Processing Without Employing The Ego
• 56:10 Acceptance As Projection Ownership
• 1:00:20 Doctors, Aging Myths, And Belief
• 1:04:20 Relationships, Longing, And True Satisfaction
• 1:08:24 Beginnings, Endings, And Maximal Benefit
• 1:12:00 Training Attention Away From Worldly Thoughts
• 1:15:20 When Thoughts Hook Breath And Mood
• 1:18:00 Politics, Outrage, And Wasted Time
• 1:22:00 Gaza, Taking Sides, And Compassion
• 1:26:00 Miracles: Demonstrating The False Is False
• 1:30:40 Defenselessness Is Real Safety
• 1:34:20 Diet, Seed Oils, And Cause-Effect Play
• 1:38:40 Weather, Body Sensation, And Power
• 1:42:00 True Perception And Ending Wars Within
• 1:45:40 Child Molesters, Projection, And Healing
• 1:49:28 Calls For Love Versus Projection
• 1:52:40 Racism As Self-Hatred And Forgiveness
• 1:56:24 Words, Triggers, And Defenseless Posting

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:05

Yay. Aloha. And welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope Johnson coming to you for the last time, at least for now, from Sedona. Yay. Yay. And I have one more ACIM deep dive on Wednesday. So join me on Wednesday for that too. Yeah. Yes, Glenn. Nothing happened. Nothing happening here. Nothing's ever happening anywhere. We're making everything uh just so that we can bring up what's in the unconscious mind and resolve the underlying belief in separation. So we can realize the harmony that's already here. Yeah. It's really simple, but you know, the ego tends to complicate it. That's kind of like what you hired the ego for to make things really complicated. So it'll seem like uh it's okay if I have an ego, I keep an ego, I need to be an ego. The thing is, there is no ego to be. You don't need to try to master being a good ego, let's say. And don't look for other people's egos. It takes an ego to actually perceive another ego. So the thing is, recognizing there is no ego, you just deny reality to all that stuff instead of even getting stuck in it at all. It's just not real because the ego is an unreality. The ego is basically insanity, it's a thought system that's set up that's based on separation. Believing in those thoughts brings on things like illness, accidents, aging, death, see, and trusting in the spirit thoughts undoes the underlying belief that any of those things are necessary to to the world, to the like the general public, the kind the common person, death is is inevitable. But to the spirit, it's not necessary. That's something we made up, and sickness goes along with that too. Whenever anything comes, uh any kind of uh illness, or you could say dis-ease, whether it seems to be in the body sense, or you just notice frustration coming up, you know, if you're just just getting frustrated, you find yourself getting frustrated. That is a sign that there's a thought that's up, ready to be corrected. That's all it is. So it's not like, why do I keep on getting frustrated? You know, why is it so hard for me? Let's say being a parent, it's so hard for me being a parent. Uh, I get frustrated all the time. Instead of that, go into the feeling of frustration, embrace that feeling of frustration so you could see its cause and have its cause undone. That way you're not projecting it onto things in the world. And the reason why you want to stop projecting is because you're just making this harder and harder on yourself as time goes on. You just keep on inventing greater frustrations and more frustrating things. That's why people tend to go down a path of complaint, complaining and complaining about the world, and continue to get more grumpy. That's why we that's why we perceive older people a lot of the times as being grumpy. You know, and that's that's really what we're seeing is an effect of them believing that what they see, what they think they see is actually there again and again and again by investing emotion into it. And that is an attack on the body. That's that's how it goes. It just automatically stores in the body as dissonance and it shows up as pain, tension, blockages, sickness, disease, wrinkles, whatever. The only cause of all of this is our own thoughts. So as, and you know, you don't need anyone to do this with you, but you know, once you're aware of it and you've been practicing it and you're and and you know with certainty that it actually works. It undoes that thought of separation. So you're not living in suffering, you're living in freedom, you're living in your freedom, right? This is what undoes it when you go, okay, I have an upset feeling here, no matter what it's about, no matter what it seems to be about, it's always just an effect of a belief, an unconscious belief. So the way it goes is there's unconscious beliefs in the mind, and then those spring up as a feeling sense that you sense in the body. And most people aren't so tuned in with their body sense that they even notice they got an upset feeling, and that automatically triggers thoughts. So that triggers thoughts to explain and justify the feeling, you see why it's never caused by the outer world, it doesn't, it doesn't even flow in that direction, and so uh, so with this upset feeling and perceiving thoughts that are justifying and explaining and defending that feeling, and if we believe in those, we just keep on projecting the same thing in a cycle, it's an addiction, basically. Because the nervous system gets a certain sensation, and it's an addictive sensation has to do with thinking we know something. The whole world that we think we know is based on error, and we're only just interpreting everything, so we don't really know anything. There's nothing to know about the world. True knowledge is knowledge of union with your source, that's the only true knowing that there is. Everything that we have been taught to know, which has to do with the world, is just a distraction. We can't really know anything here. So as we, you know, think think we know like how our government works, how our bodies work, how relationships work, we don't know. All we can know is union with the source. That's the that's you know, something that we experience directly. And this is how we get to experience it directly by taking any upset feeling and going, I'm not feeling that for the reason that I think those thoughts that are projecting right now that are telling me why I'm feeling this way, that's nonsense. Basically, that's a that's the miracle right there. And you know, it's uh it's it's kind of shocking to the mind. Because it's like, well, well, what what am I gonna do? What do I do? There's there's nothing to do, there's nothing to think about. There's nothing to mull over. Since I'm not really upset for the reason that these thoughts are telling me, then the upset feeling becomes a blessing. That's why you could say, hooray about the upset feeling. That becomes the signal. Instead of being a problem or being something to ignore, that actually becomes the signal. And that's true productivity. It doesn't matter what you what you seem to have done today in the world, none of that stuff matters at all. It only matters how you be as you seem to do it. You don't even really do anything. It's just a how you how do you be? How are you as far as accepting or rejecting your feelings throughout the day? There seems to be this ego drive to get busy to kind of like schedule up the day, so there's no moments for just being quiet with yourself. No moments for recognition because the mind's constantly ticking about how important it is in the world and all the things that it wants to accomplish. If you look at it in terms of the only true vocation of your mind is this awakening, then you would perceive productivity completely different. Did I do enough today to deserve rest at the end of the day? Because you're getting rest all day long, in the truth. And then you just know you're worthy of rest, you know, and I say worthy of rest, you know, that probably trips people out. Like, we're worthy of rest? Yeah, that's basically what it is. You know, if you lay down on your pillow and you feel like you haven't done enough or thought through enough or whatever, you're probably not gonna get to sleep. Or if you do go to sleep, maybe it's gonna be some restless sleep. Yes, you're worthy of rest. And you know, you demonstrate that to your mind all day long when you allow yourself to rest beneath the ego thoughts. The ego thought system is meant to destroy you. There's no uh there's no need to take it as anything real or fight it. Bertie's got a comment maybe here. Yes, circumstances do not matter, only state of being matters, only being is material. We do nothing. Yes, thank you. I love that I'm seeing so many of my friends wake up to this too. I mean, really, it's uh it's and you know, it's one thing to uh say something like this, and it's quite another to live it in the experience, right? Bertie, I mean, we all know that. It's like when you get the sense like, wow, I really did not appreciate what that person did or the way they handled that or what they said. That's the moment right there to shift into reality, come back to knowing that you just made that. See, because when you harp on what you think you saw, you project more of that, you just keep on projecting more of that, but when you recognize, oh, that was for me, thank you, and you're just extending gratitude, everything changes. Uh a fun example, something kind of kind of close to that. I was uh I was at this little restaurant, hotel restaurant, schwanky restaurant with high-ass prices, really close to here. Walk in, I get seated, the hostess seats me right away, really sweet, sit down, and then there's a couple of uh servers running around doing their thing, serving tables around me. No one looks at me, no one brings me water, no one serves me. Um, and I probably sat there for like 20 or 30 minutes. I was kind of like, I was kind of like jovial about it. I was just watching. I was like, I wonder when they're gonna wonder when they're gonna notice me. And then, and then after a little while, I was like, Oh, I'm moving on. I'm gonna walk down to the next restaurant. Okay. Uh, so I get up and there's the hostess who sat me. She's seating another table now. The restaurant isn't busy, it's just, you know, light. And uh she says, have a nice day. And I say, You too. And you know, I could see the thoughts that wanted to hook me, and it was they're just comical, you know. It's like how a restaurant should be run, it's just dumb stuff. Like it would, you know, uh, I wonder if they just didn't serve me because I'm a hippie. No. People can tell that until I raise my arms and they're like, oh, underarm hair. So I just so you know, oh, leaving a bad review on Yelp or something like that, you know. I'm gonna mess those guys up. Calling the manager, you know, and and so and and so it's not that you shouldn't have these thoughts. Look at them as like they're coming across on ticker tape because they're programmed. And you know, when you just are able to just smile at those thoughts and feel the gentle release, the release just keeps on coming. It was fun. So that day was my day for feeling like uh I was uh I was not what was the day, what would be the word? I was not uh served well. Later on, I got the house clean and then got a uh surprise$50 upchart. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is today's the day where I'm perceiving not getting served well. How fun. And I just enjoyed the day. I just enjoyed the whole day. I had sweet interactions with everyone because I know it's only in seeing these things and denying reality to them that the belief in separation is being dissolved through me. It's easy, it's easy. Uh, I guess you could say it's easy once you come to a certain point. I mean, for a little while there's this practice because you really believe the world is real, and you got to take it on faith and you know, just turn your mind toward the truth and watch what happens. The more you see the results, the more you're going to be certain and keep doing this. Aloha substack friends. I love you. Christine is telling me my feelings are apparently very strong. Sadness and frustration, anger. Okay. Yeah. And you know, it doesn't really matter exactly what they are. I mean, you can feel it in your body's energy field, and you uh and you look at it and you go, oh, okay, so this is my projection. Instead of trying to figure out what's wrong. Okay. It's similar to this. Uh, this might be the same, Christine. I don't know. But um she told me one time she's she was going around looking for places to help her fix her back after she did uh this one. This I think it's called waist ringer on block therapy. Uh she said she hurt her back. And it seems like it came from doing block therapy. And I go, oh, well, just do more block therapy. It's how you do it. Right? It's not like uh it's not like it's time to stop now because you got because you brought up the pain. You brought up the pain so that you can see it. And you know, it doesn't hurt worse to uh do the block therapy. Basically, you're just bringing awareness into that space. You just keep on bringing the awareness into the space where the pain is. So these painful feelings that you're feeling, the frustration and the anger, these are basically painful feelings. And when you don't use them for uh miraculous uh uh miraculous uh uh purposes, they end up lodged in the body and then they show up as like a hurt back. And it there's there may be a cause in the world, but really it's your mind projecting. So uh sadness, frustration, any of those uh feelings, when they get rejected by you and not embraced, that's what lodges in the body as pain. It's not something doing it to you, it's not anything in the field. So uh that's the same thing with those feelings. And it's like uh, you know, the feelings present themselves like they're really special and personal to you. They're not, they're universal. Uh, and when you undo them, you undo them for everyone. So thank you. Aloha Kalama, thank you. I am having a challenge living it. Please help me come back. Oh, you're so cute. You just decide to come back, that's all. That's all. I'm just an example for you of someone who consistently decides to come back to truth. See, all you're doing, all you're doing throughout every day is coming back to knowing who you are. So you're not trying to fix these feelings, you're not trying to make them go away. You're in a an acceptance of the feelings, being in acceptance of them. You wanna uh you want to see what's causing these feelings to arise. And the way to do that is to be in acceptance of the feelings. They can't hurt you, they're not gonna hurt you. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask. I love you. All right, so let's see. What do we what are we saying here? What do we have? We have a lot of comments here, all right. Glenn, Corinthians 3 19. Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in his age, he should become a fool, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight, as it is written, he catches the wise in their craftness, craftiness. And again, the Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile. Interesting. What fun. I love that wisdom of the world is foolishness. It's like, yeah, that's exactly what's going on. The world is saying uh there's these problems, and it's fun because it's fun to recognize that like when you look at larger, like world kind of quote unquote problems, wars, and stuff like that, there will generally be two sides opposing each other about what's wrong and how to fix it. See, it's it's a it's such a dream, it's showing you that it's a dream. It's like the reason people can't agree on how to fix it, the reason people can't agree on how to come to peace is they're not embracing their feelings. And you know, it sounds funny. It sounds funny, it makes me laugh because it's like, man, all these crazy ass things that seem to be happening, even the weather, even global warming, whatever it is, nothing is really happening. We're having an interpretation, we're each having an individual interpretation of a world gone mad, and it's basically an effect of not embracing feelings, rejected feelings-that's what causes all of this uh conflict, um, violence makes the mind violent. Okay, what's Bertie saying now? And as soon as we admit nothing is happening, nothing has happened, truly forgiving the whole story and trusting in our invulnerable nature. Time snaps up, it collapses, right? Is that what you're saying? We know that we never even suffered. That's right. There's never been any suffering. It is a dream. We are dreaming of suffering, and it's very real to us. Okay, so it's just it really is just joy. It's always been how fun to remember it, how fun to forget, too, she says. Yeah, because then you come back into remembering. Aloha Sal. Thank you for joining. Yes, I'm stoked to see you in a couple days. Sal is from Ahihik. I met him in Ahihik, and he's coming over here. He's gonna hang out um after ACIM deep dive. Him and his sweet wife Mara, so fun. I'm so glad you guys are coming to Sedona. Thank you. So, out of being afraid of feelings, we basically employ the ego. The ego says it'll keep us safe from those feelings, it'll protect us from those feelings, and the way it protects us is by offering us thoughts that explain and justify the feelings, because those are what are used to continue time, keep extending time out. It's like we need more time to play these out to completion. That's why when we truly forgive, like like Bertie's saying here, and it may be a process for you. I've I have seen that in myself with certain things seeming to be easier to forgive and other things being more difficult to forgive. And that's okay. You just keep on working with those more difficult things to forgive. They just keep on cycling around. And every time they cycle around, you just soften up a little bit more and dissolve a little bit more. So that's why we're given time so that these things can cycle around as much as they need to. And that's why it's you know, it's actually a blessing that the ego uses these things to extend time. You see how the Holy Spirit turns anything that we made with the ego into a blessing. It's actually a blessing because it's giving us the opportunity again and again to soften this edge gently over time. See, at first we might be way too afraid to just completely go, I don't believe this story. Notice how we want to hold on to the story because we think we know something about the story. It's only when we're willing to drop the story that we can truly have that underlying healing. And, you know, to justify employing the ego to keep us safe from our feelings, there's this common belief that we're all egos. And that's not accurate. Whenever we do employ the ego, what we are employing is insanity, it's fear. There's nothing to try to control about that. The ego loves to get the idea that it can be controlled. You can control the ego, you can be and express a good ego. The more attention is given to the ego as if it's useful, as if the ego is useful to you, the bigger it grows. That's how it works. You want to deny any reality to an ego, even our any of our friends, any of our brothers and sisters being egos. They're not. That's a self-reflection. What we perceive of them that looks like an ego actually takes an ego to interpret it. So at that moment, we're electing ego. See that? We're electing insanity to make an interpretation that's insane. That's not something that we are uh uh that's not the something that we're looking to do if we want to be in joy, because the ego is against our joy, totally against it. If there is a body, there is an ego, right? There's no body though. That's a that's an interpretation. See, there's the thing: your your uh your body senses, look at the body like this, it's a sense that you made. The sun has no reality, it's just a sense that you made so you can get experiences. Your experiences are closer to being reality. You're making those, you know, you're making those experiences with feelings and stuff like that. Uh, so you're using this body, uh, body sense like this, and when you perceive another body sense in the field, your body senses stop at the skin that you're projecting, but that is not really there. So in denying reality to ego, that's what undoes ego in the mind. It's wild. It's wild how crafty the ego is to get us to believe that the ego exists. It doesn't exist. People are like, why do you talk about it so much if it doesn't exist? Because we believe it exists in the unconscious mind, even though I'm saying there's no ego, I know that in the unconscious mind there is belief in an ego, and so when it comes up, this gives us the opportunity to deny reality each time, and that gently dissolves the ego. It's in a really gentle way for us. You don't use ego here to dissolve ego, you do not use ego, you channel light. The ego doesn't think in terms of what is really behind this thought, or what is really uh, where is this feeling really coming from? That's coming from the Christ mind. You don't need an ego for that. You only need an ego to make insanity. It's funny how we just make it all up and believe that it's fucking true. Like Even that we're egos. We've never changed from the way God created us. We didn't become egos. We started listening to an ego, but that can't make us become an ego. Because we could stop listening to the ego any second. And all of a sudden we're knowing ourselves. We're back to knowing ourselves. Nothing to fix. Nothing to attain. Spirit has no goals except the goals that make you happy. Those are not of this world. There's nothing in this world that can make you happy because there's nothing of this world that can truly satisfy you. But in learning how to listen to the ego's voice, and you know that goes on in school and everything, learning how to listen to the ego's voice, oh, this will satisfy you. If you work really hard and you get to this thing, that'll satisfy you. What we really want is to know of our satisfaction and enjoy our satisfaction in the moment. That way we're not looking for others for their joy for our joy. It's funny just perusing around the Facebook wall and noticing how much is projected into the field about what people don't like, even what people don't like about other people. I didn't enjoy when this person did this to me. You know, there's a reason for getting a sense like you don't like something. And that's so that you can actually undo the underlying cause of that. That's basically what's known as ignorance. People don't know what they're doing. They're looking for some relief by, I don't know, other people agreeing with them that that situation is screwed up or that person is a mess, or whatever the situation may be, to to to make it as if this feeling is not even relevant. There's a sense like I did not enjoy that interaction. That's where you go to the the you're not enjoying, meaning you're projecting lack of love. Did you perceive lack of love coming from another person? That's because you projected lack of love. And this is giving you an opportunity to atone for it. What is atonement? There is no lack of love. To recognize there is no lack of love. That's why we are willing to see. I projected this, I made this up. I made this person other than I gave them a purpose that's other than the purpose God gave them, apparently. They were supposed to fulfill something for me. That's how you get an upset feeling. They were supposed to never do cocaine, for instance, right? And people get the idea, wow, if I have uh if I have this circumstance and it's ongoing, maybe I have this kid that's doing cocaine, or I have uh this husband who's running around with other women or whatever situation, I can't be happy. That's the idea. How are you doing today? I'm not happy at all. I have this, this, this, and this going on. Whatever is going on in the field, it's meant to bring you happiness, but only through your seeing, through your embracing how you react. Really? So let's go with uh let's go with you have a child doing some kind of drugs, cocaine, whatever, and you're having a upset feeling about that, seemingly about that. Be kind and gentle to yourself. Notice what thoughts are coming up. Where is reputation involved? Are are there thoughts about people thinking something about you? Look for what's going on. Is there a sense that she's not or he or she's not right on their path? Perfectly on their path, perfectly supported. Don't let that perception trip you out into believing that now you have to be upset until the circumstance changes. Let yourself be relieved right now. That's the That's the free will you've been given. That's a true true use of the free will you've been given. Allowing yourself to be happy. So someone's mentioning afraid of jail or death. Yeah, that's that's a that's a perfect opportunity. You get a sense like, oh my gosh, I've had that before when I was getting an IRS IRS audit. I took so many deductions. I was pretty sure I could go to jail when I was getting my audit, and she's the woman was uh kind of like threatening too, and the way she was talking, she was she was going, You're in trouble. So the IRS agent. So letting myself feel, I noticed the moment where I finally, because I didn't let myself feel it for a couple weeks, and I was just brimming with anger. And then once I finally let myself really feel it and go, what is this fear all about? This fear of going to jail, and it just showed me so clearly. If I went to jail, it would be fucking awesome. Jail would be rocking. That's the thing. It's like you you gotta know that wherever you are, that's where the spirit is being expressed. It doesn't really matter in what circumstance that is, but just embracing that feeling, and then uh and and then it's it's perfect. Fear of death is kind of similar to that. It's uh it's like uh fear of total annihilation, like you're just gonna be uh gone, there's nothing of you, something like that. Um, but that's not true. And we know it, we know it's not true, but to actually undo the fear of death in the unconscious mind, that feeling also needs to be embraced. It's just the fear, the fear of death, fear of jail, same thing. Feeling just needs to be embraced in the moment. That's all. You're you're relieved now. I'm so happy. You see, it's just another idea that you projected and make up ideas. Yeah, the ego constantly sets forth ideas to try to scare you. It's really funny. It's like, oh shit, you didn't reply to that person's email yet. It's like, thank goodness nothing's happening. You know, the email reply will come exactly where it's supposed to. Okay, let's see what Glenn is saying. Quote, you can't use you can't use light to seek light, end quote, reflects the idea that you can't use an existing truth or known wisdom to find a deeper or new truth. Nice, because the new insight must come from a place of not knowing. That being said, I am an idiot. Hooray! Yay! Thank you, Glenn. Yeah, that's something I've said many times. It's like, you know, uh, especially when it's like someone gets pissed at me for what something that I said here on Wisdom Dialogues or something like that, I'm like, hey, I gotta be free to just be the idiot that I'm being. This so this stuff just comes rolling out. Uh that's why I tell people if you don't want to hear your stuff on wisdom dialogues, don't hang out with me. Okay. Uh yes.

SPEAKER_00: 40:29

Yeah. Can I comment on that last thing that he brought up? I like that a lot. Light and light, but so like what's coming up for me. Uh yeah, we we need to go through our processing, right? To expand the light. It doesn't mean that that we're in the ego though, which is something that my mind immediately goes to. Doesn't it mean that we need the ego then? That's the ego's role is to like bring us into the darkness so that more light can come out. And yeah, I'm just saying, like, yeah, that's that's not it. Yes, you we're still in the world of change and um seemingly growth, and you can still do that. It's and and it's where the my process is like what's undoing is this like insistence that the self ends at my skin. You know, that's so my sense self is actually changing. Yes, sense of self is like acknowledging that when I'm undoing thoughts that seem to come from other people, it's that's myself.

SPEAKER_01: 41:45

That's yourself, all the other people, right?

SPEAKER_00: 41:47

Right, but that's not that that that didn't go into ego, that doesn't have to necessarily no, no, ego, ego is just fear, so you don't have to you don't have to do that.

SPEAKER_01: 41:58

The world is based on error, so the world is a representation of ego thoughts, and the body is a representation of ego thoughts, but that's not you, you know, it's representative of a thought of separation, but that's not the same as being who you are, and you don't need to use the thought of separation. Uh, that just brings you sorrow. You undo the thought of separation by recognizing whenever it comes up as an upset feeling, that's all it is. There's not anything occurring in the field. Turning water into toilet wine. Hmm, very interesting. Okay, that's a fun one, Bertie. Thank you for sharing that. So, so yeah, let's talk a little bit more about you can't use light to see seek light. So, basically, wisdom of the world, right? Uh, you can't use wisdom of the world to uh seek the truth, it's never gonna happen. It's a matter of recognizing I don't know anything. Everything I've made of the world has been based on interpretations whose foundation is just fear. So I don't know anything, right? And and and I'm just gonna be really uh accepting of whatever it is I think I see because I don't know anything. And and you know, it's not even accepting in the way the ego takes accepting. I'm accepting what I think I see, not because it's a reality, I'm not accepting that it's a reality. I'm accepting it as my projection. That's the kind of acceptance that it gets. Not accepted as a reality. It's not like this, you guys. It's not like, oh, well, that's just the way it is. Well, I guess I must have projected that. Yeah, that's just life, right? Or they tell you when you go to the doctor, that's part of aging. Yeah, that's and you know, that always left me with a crazy sense. Uh whenever I would, I don't know if any doctors even told me something was part of aging because I stopped going to doctors in my 20s or something like that. Um, but just the cause and effect thing. I once had a doctor tell me that I needed to start wearing support pantyhose and keep wearing them for the rest of my life every day, even when I sleep. Otherwise, I was gonna hate my legs by the time I was 40. I was 30 at the time. I was 30 at the time. I know. I I was like, you know, I considered it, and then I told he was he was actually wearing them. Yeah, he was he was walking his talk. He was he was all about it. That's unique. Yeah, yeah. It's like this old dude doctor or something. He's like, he's and and and I I go, I go, shit, right immediately. I go, I'm not gonna like my legs right now if I'm wearing support hose. I'm not gonna like this. I'm gonna be like, fuck these legs. Make me wear support hose. You know, like something like that. It just kind of like just notice the way it sits. It's just a thought you do not need to believe.

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Next level.

SPEAKER_01: 45:47

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would be funny if I get to 40, right? Uh and uh I'm apparently way past 40 now. Uh it's funny when I get to uh uh get to 40 and then uh and then I'm like, oh shit, I hate my legs. If only I would have worn those support posts for the past 10 years. Or or when you when you go to the doctor and and they go, here's your medic, your medication to keep that symptom at bay or something like that. Uh, how long should I take this? For the rest of your life. In fact, you need to keep taking it for the rest of your life. And you better have a good job because it's 500 bucks a month to take this thing. I hear stories like um, if you want to uh look good as you age, you need a certain amount of money. Yeah, you need, you know, I've heard I've heard this. I've always gone to like uh and done like beauty things like facials and lasers and stuff like that. So I hear, you know, all the stuff, you know. Uh you better save up your money because by the time you're this age, you're gonna need to pay for a facelift. It's like shit, you know what? Things are changing so fast all the time. You don't know what the technology is gonna be. At this point, they're not cutting your face and pulling the skin back anymore, they're just using a laser. And and you know, it just gets cheaper and cheaper, too. But uh apparently a bunch of people didn't buy into that as much as it was being promoted that the only way, like you're just gonna be uh a freaking old rag unless you're really rich. That's the only way you can do it. Don't believe into these thoughts. Here's another one that's been presented. Okay, you know how there's some guys who are really good at sex and you have great sex with them, and then other guys who are really good at being a partner and they're usually not the same one. Uh well, there's this belief going around that they can't come in the same package, right? They can't come, you know, people are saying, and why is that? Uh look at people are telling me, uh, the thing is, when I get the kind of sex that I like and the kind of connection and all that kind of stuff, the guy turns out to be a total heartbreaker and I end up bummed out and all that stuff. And the guy who is who wants to uh commit to me and make a house and do all this stuff. I don't feel that way about that dude. Man, I've had that experience actually, right? Um it's not about what's in the world, it's not about what guys are in the world. It's actually about what is going on that you don't see. There's something going on that you don't see. And one of those things that's going on, that's a common belief, is that those two things don't come in the same package. Anything can happen because nothing's happening. Open up to the to the solution or the uh or the uh the circumstance that you feel the most joyful about that, just open up and also know that nothing in this world can satisfy you. That's really important. So it's not like you're uh you're buying into longing or pining for anything, but the longing itself, any longing that arises and you're willing to see that's truly longing for union, then you can just use that longing like that. It's not gonna be harmful to you. The way longing is harmful to you, and I see this a lot, is where people believe that the next relationship they get is gonna be finally their relaxation. They ah, ah, ah, I just and you know, I'm speaking from experience on all this kind of stuff. I know how it feels, and you know, it's just like you got to look at that and go, oh, that's not where it's at, and anything's possible because there is no world, these ideas like there's no good uh partners around this area or something, or you think you know everyone in the area and there's no one eligible. Not true. And here's the other thing you're probably unless you don't have any um unless you don't have any resistance in the unconscious mind, you're probably gonna manifest friends and romantic partners that trigger you. That's the part, that's the point, until you uh see through all of the unconscious programming. See, that's gotta be seen through. So it's like um when you get the sense that you didn't get what you want or you're not getting what you want, use that feeling because underneath that there's a longing for truth. So I talked about a lot about the unconscious mind a lot, um, where the ego lives basically, and again, it doesn't exist, it is actually a thought system that you made up. So beneath that, all that unconscious mind where the uh the ego thoughts live is the truth, the foundation of truth. So, underneath, even deeper than all of the ego thoughts, that's why I say sink beneath them, sink beneath those ego thoughts, is the deepest truth that you don't need any of this stuff, you don't need a person to be happy. That doesn't mean that you should project into the world that there are no good people, or you should project onto yourself like you don't make a good partner, or project that um all that stuff sucks. You know, for me, I just stay open to the moment for however the spirit is moving me in joy, so it just goes to deeper and deeper joy. Whether or not there is uh some partner next to me doing it, that's not the point. The point is deeper and deeper joy, and there's no way another person or another partner is gonna bring you into that deeper and deeper joy. But when it aligns, meaning it's the most beneficial for yourself, for that person, for everyone else, then you'll find yourself going into deeper joy with a person, but only for as long as it serves. And whether or not that seems to be your decision to end something or their decision to end something doesn't matter. That is not uh that is not up to you. That's part of the show. Whenever it occurs, um, beginnings and endings, it's always exactly right. So we can be happy about that. And there's gonna be apparent reasons why, apparent reasons why there's separation, but those reasons aren't true. Keep your mind focused on truth by recognizing that those reasons cannot possibly be true. The only reason you came together or uh went separate ways in a dream at that particular time is it's maximally beneficial for everyone involved. The story is just the story, and it's not it, it's not for anything but pointing. You could use it for pointing. So you could show, oh, I've had this kind of experience, I've had this kind of experience before, and I've seen how I've reacted before. Let's see how I react now. Now that I know this much more, now that I'm this much more willing, really. When I say it like that, know this much more, it's really you're certain because you've you've come into the knowing so many times and seen how is it has adjusted your perception for you, corrected your perception, that it's just what you do whenever you find yourself in any kind of situation where there's an upset feeling arising, and even when there's not, it just constantly coming into the knowing. That's what I notice um with myself in my mind, it just gets more pointed toward only thinking about truth, only bringing truth and not having thoughts about the world, not entertaining thoughts about the world. I mean, sure, there's the ones that that come up like, okay, it's time to switch to laundry or something like that. Um, but you know, just repetitive thoughts, just like gnawing thoughts, take our attention and have us paying attention to those thoughts. Um, that just starts to go away because you start to see how meaningless they are. You're not gonna pay attention to them if you know they're meaningless. It's only when you believe that they're they can be helpful that you start pursuing those thoughts. And really, you're pursuing them with emotion. Watch your breath pattern. It's funny. There'll be a uh a thought about something, and you'll look at your breath pattern and go, dang, wow, I'm like pretty excited right now. And you look at the thought pattern and you're like, wow, that's not a big deal. But the but the ego just like ticks, ticks, ticks, ticks. It'll it'll get one line of some thread that you've got going on and keep giving you thoughts. That's what the ego does, it gives you thoughts, and then you choose whether or not to listen to those or recognize that they are in fact ego thoughts, and they get used as an invitation for deeper joy. They just filter through all day. I mean, this morning I heard a thought, yep, you're getting old. I was like, oh, good one. That's exactly what I'm talking about. These are the kind of thoughts when they're just not seen and they're automatically believed. Of course that's gonna affect your mood. Of course that's gonna affect how you interact with other people. A lot of people like to commiserate about it, right? Don't believe what you see, don't believe that stuff. It's not a reality. It's like, oh, thank goodness it's not a reality. Using it to make stories, you know, you could take that restaurant story and you can see like a uh way you could say an old person would look at it is you know, the service is just shit these days. You can't get good help. And then you just go on, go and more and see more like that. People who um focus on political stuff, worldly political stuff, they just keep on seeing more stuff like that, and they can understand why other people aren't all up in arms. I you know, I I've seen uh posts also where people are saying uh if you're not really pissed off about this situation, basically something's wrong with you, and actually you're part of the problem. That's the world, that's the worldly way of being, and there's no need to defend against any of that stuff. You just go, oh, okay. I've had people say stuff like that to me uh lots of times. But what I notice is the more I'm I'm just embracing the feeling, the less of that I see. Earlier on, I used to see a lot more of it. I had a neighbor tell me one time that if I didn't vote to not come over again, she doesn't want to talk to me again. She wouldn't be my friend either. Yeah, yeah, and and so and and so I I just smiled at her and I go, Are you sure? Because I don't vote. Like, I really don't. Like, I'm really not gonna do that. Then she changed her mind. Yeah, she's like, yeah, I had a try. Okay, good. Yeah. It's like, I'm not gonna talk to you again if you're not voting, and sometimes I'm I tell people gosh how do you know you would even like my vote if I voted oh well I'm gonna tell you how to vote that's fine democracy is an illusion democracy oh I know yeah yeah I actually got blocked on on Facebook yesterday and I was really happy about it of course I'm happy about everything but you know I made a post about how um you know when we feel inner conflict we make opinions that's what we do we make opinions right whether we're telling anyone that about it at the time or not when we don't recognize oh this is inner conflict it's feeling I'm having an opinion is formed so then we interact with people who have opposite opinions and we argue with ourselves because they're not really there with an opinion we're not really with an opinion we're arguing with ourselves in a dream. So that's a lot of what's going on and you could say that's wasting time in a sense of course it's not wasted at all because even even where there's stubbornness and resistance to seeing this is building conflict and separation which are illusions and you tire of it at some point everyone gets tired of it at some point. Yeah so we don't need to we don't need to try to change anyone or change anyone's mind you know I don't try to um convince someone or anything like that. But um anyways I was talking about the opinions and the fighting and then someone made a comment about um Gaza like is this what we tell this is what the question was is this what we tell the people in Gaza that it's just your opinion it's just it's just this it's just this and you know I go well well you know this is actually an invitation into a deeper um living in this way not necessarily convincing anyone and you know of course someone's going through something tense and dense and stuff like that that's not the time to start spewing spiritual truths on them of course uh nothing's nothing said without love is truly healing anyways so he didn't like that response I was like was that just too much love was that just way too much be just being loving yeah um one of the major ego defenses that I saw and what and the defense that that uh person used right before he blocked me was uh was that we're heartless if we don't take a side we're being heartless and actually allowing people to be killed because we're so privileged to not have to take a side right but you know even if you find yourself taking a side like there's no rules even if you find yourself taking us a side in a perceived conflict embrace all of the feelings knowing that your side look at the side that you're taking is based on conditioning that'll give you the the kind of radical empathy and compassion for everyone who believes that they are on a side and that it's actually it's actually not a projection. They believe that it's real it's a life and death thing to them that's why it ends up in this conflict and violence because it feels like a life and death situation something is being threatened and I have to defend so see that as in ourselves it's as if something is being threatened and I have to defend whenever there's an upset feeling that's the kind of thoughts that are coming off of that to justify it I'm being threatened and I must defend. So that eventually goes toward violence and some of us might not be acting out violence. Maybe we're not finding ourselves acting out violence but every time we get a perception that there's violence in the world and don't try to avoid the perception of it it's not a it's not a problem at all. Every time we get a perception that there's violence in the world that's reflecting violence in our unconscious mind. That's actually it's you cannot perceive what you didn't project even if it's a big world thing like let's say whatever's going on over there in Gaza, right? When someone brings that to my attention I just notice in my body's energy field the sensation basically informing my spirit there's the sensation there's a reaction to everything we perceive and and and when we're aware of it we're bringing information and basically we're aware of it because we're willing to have our interpretation changed. If we're not willing to have our our interpretation changed we make ourselves unaware that we're projecting the whole situation and we'll go isn't that bad and isn't that sad with other people and how bad some of these people are in the world and you know when I see uh these posts coming across my feed about Donald Trump whether he's a superhero or he's the uh biggest villain ever I see both both of those it's a reminder that of seeking salvation outside of ourselves that's what it it is a reminder of and you know none of this stuff is personal so when I when I have a perception I just feel what that feels like because there's a feeling sense between projection and perception and that's where the uh miracles take place that's basically the framework you could say it's a framework of perceiving this sense you get like something's wrong like something of course you know your sensibilities are gonna tell you something is wrong with war something is wrong right true and it's not it's not really there that's the part to recognize so that's how you're informing the spirit you're informing the spirit that you need a different interpretation because you're perceiving war and this is the way it feels it might not feel heavy to you and if it doesn't it's not like you have to try to get every single thing you're gonna know when something has got you hooked you're gonna feel hooked and then use that so a miracle is demonstrating that the false is false it's actually not there we've been trained to make it real and then try to change it that is the problem everyone's making it making it real and then trying to change it like I really have this uh let's say anger it's not real it's a signal and I really have this landlord that keeps getting mad at me for playing the music loud it's not there and I've got this job that uh where I go and people don't respect me that's not there either that's what gets so exciting to be able to see this and it's not in a way like oh I must have done it that way oh ho hum whatever no it's it's up to you to uh channel basically channel truth not like having an intermediary being like Angel Gabriel or something like that channeling truth like being just an open channel for it basically that the false is false and that's not a matter of going around trying to convince everyone else that things are false it's a matter of recognizing for yourself okay if God didn't create it that's not there if God didn't create aging death sickness conflict disease it's not there it doesn't matter if I'm getting a perception of it I want to undo the whole framework of perception what's making us perceive and that's done through denying any reality to these things the ego won't do that the ego cannot do that it's not gonna turn on the feelings and go oh what's really causing those feelings no the ego's gonna explain it because the ego knows the ego knows exactly why you're feeling that way but that knowledge is foolishness it's very convincing people will even tell you you should feel that way gosh I would be beside myself if that happened to me I don't know how I would deal with it I've kind of heard that in my life growing up too you know uh hearing an older uh person in my family say something about gosh I don't know how she's able to live with herself with all that weight on her like that or I don't I don't know how she can handle it's like man just stop right there when it comes to whatever anyone else's experience is that's just reflecting that you're afraid you can't handle something I had a friend a friend once tell me uh came up to me and told me look at that guy over there it looks like he had a baby it's he's so his belly's so flabby or something like that I'm like oh my goodness I'm like what are you afraid of it's all it's all like that you know it's like it's it's as if with the ego it's as if putting it out there is gonna keep us safe good thing that person has to have the burden of having that kind of body so I don't have to be affected by it. That's one way the ego tries to keep us safe to separate and make it oh it's something out there. One of my friends was telling me she's in her 70s and she was telling me when she was in her 20s she would go to the beach and she she would be like uh see people with bellies that hung over and she'd be like be like oh oh I'm glad mine isn't like that I hope that never happens and then she's like and here it is and it's a and and you know it's just it's a forgiveness opportunity it's like that these bodies are not real whatever they're representing to us it's uh you you could say they're representatives of the ego that's why they don't exist they're made out of meaningless thoughts and they're proving that they're meant to prove that illusions are true they're meant to prove that you're weak they're meant to prove that you're not basically you're not the son of God you're not as God created you. So the whole uh purpose it of it the way the Holy Spirit repurposed the body is for denying any truth to illusions and then that'll make you very happy you won't mind what kind of shape your body seems to be in so I've got a question here is the body's felt sense before projection if so I believe tuning into the feeling is key to peace. Yeah it's it's perfect it's before the perception it's projected from uh it's it's kind of like right in the middle though because it it's projected from a belief in the unconscious mind and then the felt sense is the first effect of that projection from that felt sense are thoughts to explain justify and defend the felt sense but what it's really doing what that's really doing is defending the underlying belief. So you want to uproot the underlying belief and the way to do that is to not believe any of those thoughts that come to explain defend and justify the upset feeling you have just let it burn within you let it burn away everything that's not true. That's the way to use an upset feeling and you'll forget this and then remember it and like Bertie said hooray to that you know there's the forgetting and remembering phase but you know there's also uh there's also a phase that comes of mostly remembering or just remembering really quickly to come back to knowing and you know that comes with certainty you just you just start going okay I've I know what this is for if there's any kind of upset feeling it's like okay I know what this is for that person can't do anything to me that government agency for instance can't do anything to me that's why when the IRS agent asked me she said are you afraid of me and I go no you can't do anything to me that I don't need she's like hmm this is interesting you know and that's the that's the thing about uh you know anything I was out I was out earlier um hanging out and there was a couple of neighbors telling me that um they bring a light when they come out in the middle of the night because you could get clobbered by some wild animal out here like a bobcat or uh even a jaguar could come. And you know I noticed this Celeste is laughing she lives here I notice this sense because you know I have gone out in the middle of the night to have a smoke. I've been out there like two in the morning or something having a smoke and I didn't even think anything of anything like that. You know I'm just like looking at the stars and stuff and having no light and you know I notice a sense of and a sense of um fear I guess you would say it's fear you know and and I just looked at that and I go oh yeah that's right nothing can occur unless it's maximally beneficial that includes getting clobbered or mauled by an animal it really does so so so then I don't have to take any oh I better take some precautions I better protect myself or something like that or I better uh bring a light with me. Any of that stuff could occur. It's just that I don't have to try to be in charge of it. Because my well-being and my safety it's totally comes from being defenseless to the world not trying to defend myself against the world defending ourselves against the world actually brings on these things. We don't need any defenses and you might say what about locking the door lock the door when you lock the door if you lock the door um you're doing it in a dream do it consciously recognize that you're totally safe and this locking of the door is just a symbol that you value people not walking into your house let's say it's just a symbol though it's not going to protect you if someone needs to come into your house and rape the shit out of you that's gonna happen when when you look at it like okay whatever happens for me I am going to be extending forgiveness that's what I'm going to do I don't need to pre-plan it I don't need to play out scenarios in my mind right come up gold or anything like that. I just need to relax into the truth of what is right now and be at peace because in that peace I'm defenseless and when I'm defenseless I'm completely safe all unsafety is uh is an effect of being defensive yes baby minds too even baby minds it takes a lot of defensiveness to make a baby body just to manifest like we're saying like like I'm sharing with you here the bodies aren't real they're a symbol of defensiveness so yes even a baby um the mind is defensive the mind is defending illusions it defends what it thinks it knows that's why we come into a state of not knowing anything about the world we just say well I really don't know I mean for me that the kinds of things that I seem to know um one of them is that I don't want to eat seed oils I seem to know that right so I watch those preferences play out but don't believe that it's actually true things are true enough to us because they are powered with our underlying belief all powerful mind we can definitely convince ourselves that what we're looking at is really there. We can convince ourselves that we know what are the good oils to be eating and it seems like all of the uh scientific evidence is pointing to that right but when you recognize it's not real that's not really a problem and so then it doesn't make me because and before when I I would find something out well this is the best diet I got a friend like that on here right now it's like this is this is the best diet I found out this is the best diet so now I can't eat anything else I'm not eating any other food but this diet you know it's like it's like you can't even listen to the Holy Spirit wherever the Holy Spirit would have you go and be right when it's uh it's set in stone like that. So with that I still find myself eating seed oils it's not that easy to avoid those things apparently they're in all the restaurants and I don't live anywhere. So I find myself in restaurants so it's just a matter of denying in the moment for me I just deny any reality to it to the idea that eating really comes to eating anything can affect the body that is ridiculous. That's really ridiculous that anything you eat can actually affect the body and it looks like it does I'm not saying that I'm not denying that and when those interpretations come up that's where it's giving us the opportunity this is not affecting no nothing that I ate affected my body my thoughts affect it that's the thing about it being an unreality it's a complete projection of thoughts that makes it seem really real to you the things that it seems to feel and being unreal also it can't feel anything we project feelings onto it it doesn't feel pain it doesn't even feel cold that's another one that I work with because mine seems to feel cold pretty pretty often seems to feel pretty cold where it uh a warm drink would really be good right now. So watching how the cause and effect is playing and playing with it and being playful and fun with it but not buying into that that's a reality I'm not at the mercy of weather I made the weather too I mean really our mind is projecting the cosmos too all the way to that even the planets we give them purpose for us that's why we think we can see them. Anything we seem to see with the body senses are really not there. And look at how much of it the world that we perceive uh we're perceiving with the body senses so when we start perceiving and this is true perception perceiving with union with awareness of union then what we're looking at changes even the apparent wars I mean the only reason we're coming in here and having a perception of apparent wars is it's so that we can help undo the need for them the belief that says war is necessary that's why we get that perception we can help not only just help we can change everything because we're all powerful mind people are trained to get angry about just embracing your feelings because the training is that to be a good person you're supposed to fight you're supposed to convince people that this is wrong certain some things are wrong and they shouldn't be and things like that people do that with child molesters all the time that's one of the most fun ones because people have such a hard time with that it's like there's all also means there's no child molesters God did not create them means they actually do not exist. What you are calling a child molester is really a son of God and you're talking about yourself especially those those of you who get like really disgusted with them you're talking about yourself. It's a matter of going in there and embracing the feeling the upset feeling because that's actually what brings an end to the illusion of people taking advantage of people which is basically what child molesting is uh is a symbol of people taking advantage of other people we want to bring back what's really true the power of the mind to make these illusions so that we can use the same power to undo them. Make it impossible for anyone to take advantage of anyone in your mind. And the way that it the way that works is whenever you get the perception of anyone taking advantage of anyone own it I'm projecting this. I made it as if there could be a world where people could take advantage of people now I just need to feel what this feels like so that I can inform the spirit that I want a different interpretation. See what I mean about clinging to known things something that you believe happened someone that you believe did it that's clinging to something that's known and that's projecting more of what's known what we really want is that's what that which is unknown to the world to come into the world and undo what we made that the ego will get real reactive to uh to say me saying something like that or anyone saying something like that. And it's reactive because it wants to keep this idea that people could be taken advantage of and someone can be a victimizer. And so we keep that rolling around and and see how it has this it comes with this sense like oh my god you're horrible if you don't want all the child molesters hung by their toenails. If you don't want really bad stuff to come to child molesters really it's all children. We're all like children and there's and there's a lot of us that are ignorant to what's going on to what the game is and there's going to be those who are just appointed to play out because of a weaker mind basically a mind more diluted because they've been following conditioned thought patterns those people will be acting out these you could call heinous crimes for the rest of the people every time someone's acting something out they're doing it for you and and your reaction shows you your reaction let that be like a the red flag the signal for you that shows you that you're projecting it instead of making your reaction into proof that that person is separate from you let your reaction any kind of disgust or anything like that be about what it's about it's about the self. It's not true it's not even true. Don't make it true about them because your mind Takes it as being true about you. When you perceive a child molester and believe that that's really there, your mind takes it as you are a child molester. And that is the same thing with murderers or anything like that. When you don't own it and recognizing that recognize that you projected it, your mind takes takes it as if you are it. Extended is is a word that's used to say love. That's extended. It's not projected because it's real. Projection is false. So you can only get a perception of what you have extended or projected. That's why you can only get a perception of love or a call for love. If it's a call for love, what does that mean? It's a call for you embracing your feeling that seems to be about it. That's the only thing a call for love is asking for. You don't have to do anything with the person, you don't have to try to make them feel better, anything like that. All of that is happening automatically. That's part of recognizing that you're not a doer. You don't do anything in the world. The only thing you do is either embrace or reject your feelings. And that's based on who you think you are. That's why there's a period of learning who you are so you could discover, okay, I can forgive all these things. I don't need to keep projecting just because the world expects me to do that. You know, I find myself uh apparently not hanging around with certain people who expect uh people to be in a political mindset. Like, how can you not be in that? How could you not be? I just find myself not hanging out with them. They they find like-minded people, but I don't find myself in conflict with them. I'm sure it's I'm sure whatever they're perceiving about these things is perfect for them. And I'm sure whatever they perceive about me, if they just uh perceive that I'm a white privileged idiot. I I'm like, yeah, I resemble that I don't I don't have any I I don't have anything to teach anyone. So it's not like oh there's my student, I gotta teach them that this is like this. No, if people are interested in in having something shared with them, it shows they show up like that. I spend uh I spend my uh my time in self-acceptance. So when I meet other people, I always extend self-acceptance to them because that's how it is. And I know that's uh that's the hardest thing is just to accept whatever it is that you're perceiving that you seem to be, whatever you seem to be doing, whatever thoughts seem to be occurring to you, whatever shape you seem to be in, just being an acceptance. So then it's I'm automatically going to be accepting of everyone. We only interact with people the way we interact with ourselves. So people pick up on it too when you have some kind of a judgment about them, like you think that you should you think that they should be doing something different or thinking in a different way, even thinking in a different way is why I don't have any problem with anyone's kinds of thoughts. Uh you know, people could uh reflect to me that uh let's say I should be killed. I've heard that before.

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Jimmy yell.

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Oh, thanks. Yeah. Uh yeah, and and you know, that was an opportunity. There was there were people, and you know, I set it up. I set myself up for it. I I knew um I knew there was gonna be a good forgiveness opportunity coming up, and and and I thought, I thought, yeah, this will be fun. So I just did a really inflammatory, apparently was inflammatory. I didn't feel inflammatory about it at all. I just knew that it was gonna be fun because people get inflammatory easily. Um, but I just put one post on Facebook. It was during the time when um what's his name? Joe Rogan was going through a thing where he said nigger a whole bunch of times and they uh they took it, they took the someone took all the times that he did it, and it filled up four minutes. So he was even going, he was even going, he was he was going, man. I listened to that recording and I just kept on going, stop, man, stop, stop saying nigger so many times. So so um, you know, that word is very taboo. It's that's one of the things that's been learned. And I saw that wow, this has been learned that this were word is very taboo. Like if you say this word, like something is really wrong. And it's and you know, it it's I don't think it's coincidental that it rhymes with with trigger, actually. Because it's just like automatically you hear the word and strike, that's the conditioning. You hear the word and you get reactive. So, what do I do? I take the word seven times and put it on a heart background and just post it, just like that, doesn't say anything else. And that's when I started getting death threats. And and you know, I just I just had so much fun with that because uh, for one thing, I know no one can kill me unless it's maximally beneficial, like that's not happening. Um, and you know, and other threats too, like ostracizing me from the community and stuff like that. And um, and I just didn't take any of those as a threat, and I just let people know, hey, I love you, and um, and I'm telling you, this is a program to make you react to a word. You're reacting to a word, you're not in your power. Uh, that's the reason I did the post. And uh, if you don't want to uh if you don't wanna uh hang out with me because of that, have a great day. Words don't mean anything. The assignment, the and even the F word. Look at that. One friend told me, man, you gotta stop saying the F word. Some people aren't gonna take you seriously. And I go, fuck those guys. This it's dumb. That uh look at how dumb that is to make words into something. Look at how stupid that is. Uh okay, and then uh and then it's like we're gonna put labels on people. If you say this word, this makes you a racist. Oh my god, you didn't even use the A at the end, you use the hard E R. Oh my god. One of our one of our friends who uh identifies as black, but he's pretty fucking white. He did he he uh got a hold of my daughter right away when he saw that post. He's like, What the I'm gonna and my daughter's like, really? You really think my mom's racist? You really think that's the case? Well, she did say that word. How ridiculous is that? Or you're not gonna get you're not gonna get res uh the respect because you say the F word. I don't want that respect. That's not that that's that's silly. So uh so I noticed this new punker guy got this. Maybe he's not new, he's new to me. Youngblood, you guys heard of that guy? Youngblood? Yeah, that guy cusses like a mofo and it goes right on reels and everything. He's like to a little kid. Come on, fucker. And and that's the way that's the way words can be treated. They're not there's no vulgar words, there's no racist words. Racist uh racist is just it's just hate, it's just plain ass hate. That's all it is, and that's something you feel in your system. You can you can sense hate, hatred when you're when you're having uh a hateful thought, and you're and and maybe you're generalizing all those people of those of that skin color are pissing me off. Let's say all those people of that nationality are pissing me off. Do the same thing. Notice that your pissed off feeling is not for the reason you think. Of course, it makes no sense that it would be attributed to a color or nationality or anything like that. Of course, that makes no sense, right? Unless you're talking about Mexicans leaving trash on the ground. No, just kidding. I used to live in Southern California. I used I used to have a thing like that. You know, and and it's it's the same as anything. Take that upset feeling that's going, this shouldn't be happening. Uh, the Mexicans are invading, let's say, if you're in Southern California and you're seeing stuff like that, and and recognize it's a projection. And the thing about uh race and and where they come from and all that kind of stuff, it's just meant to distract more and convoluted and everything like that. You know, just don't believe in it. Joke about it, but don't believe in it. I think, you know, uh when I lived in Southern California, for one thing, Mexicans have a really good sense of humor and they're fun and they can be really uh self-effacing. Uh, that's also part of their culture. They're really cool. And you can actually joke around, uh, and that's the thing, to joke around about all these spirit, these uh stereotypes with each other, not like behind each other's backs. That's the thing. Um, this idea that we're actually um being mean to each other by using stereotypes, that's not what it is, because that's not really where it's at. It's in the feeling sense, the harmony that we allow for each other. And, you know, a lot of the times this comedy and just kind of like uh being uh being joyfully aware of our apparent differences. There's differences in culture, apparently, there's difference in the way we do things. Um when I was hanging out in Mexico, uh I noticed people just they'll just smoke like there's this this square that's outside. They'll smoke, they'll be smoking while they're dancing, and when they're done with the smoke, boom, right on the ground. No problem. Uh just you know how how how the how the culture does it. Um so this is what helps us appreciate the differences is recognizing our sameness, and we can appreciate the the differences. We recognize we're all the same in this union. So then all these differences can be appreciated. Even a difference in let's say some people get offended by stuff and let and and let them get offended, recognizing they're not really getting offended by anything on the feet out in the field. They're not really, we could recognize this for other people without having to even bring it to them or try to teach them anything or anything like that. When we notice a person uh getting upset, feeling frustrated or annoyed at another person, noticing for ourselves, they're not upset for that reason. They're not really upset for that reason. So that's why, you know, the people with the death threats, they just ended up being sweet to me again. And and uh yeah, and my friends were just like, what the heck? How did you survive that? You know, like they're like, for sure, like they see all this uh huge uproar, right? There's this huge uproar happening, and they're like, how did how do you even survive something like that? And it's like because I I I am uh interacting with people from a place of I know this is perfect, I know everything has gone perfect, you know. From uh from my post getting posted from Facebook taking it down within five minutes, you know what's amazing is how much attention that post got in five minutes. It was amazing. It's like it's like it broadcasts so fast and so far, and then also bam, take it down. That's the word that you don't say once, not a much less seven times, because it gets everyone's panties in a wad. One person before I got shut down, one person came on and asked me if I'm black. Like I'm only allowed to say that word if I'm black. Then I get oh oh I I I told him, I told him, Oh, that's really nice of the master to give you a word. One word you can have for yourself. No, no, Harry, we're gonna enslave you in all these ways, but this is your special word. You have to be a certain color to say it. Meanwhile, take the vaccine. That was during that time too. Um, with the vaccines, it was like there's there's this huge thing to get people all charged up, like there's bad people against them, and and almost like you're gonna take a vaccine to show them and then get triggered really easily if someone says the wrong word. Defenselessness, that's a thing. So so in that moment when uh when it came to me, when the inspiration came to me to post that thing, of course, there was a sense of holy shit, really? Like, I know that word doesn't mean anything, but man, a lot of people have tied a lot to that. And it was just like, you've got this, you're defenseless enough. You're defenseless enough to be able to post something like that and not have uh any kind of apparently serious repercussions either. A couple of them actually came around and realized they're like, holy shit, you were trying to show us something. Thank you for showing us that. It's like, yeah, I want everyone to be free. Not take it as if there's some kind of victimizer outside of us. Not take it as some people have more privilege than us. You know what the privilege is? It's nothing about this world. The privilege is being who you are, it has nothing to do with any color or any nationality or anything like that. In being who you are, all that stuff can get appreciated. And then we can just have fun and we can play. You guys can play like children instead of being on defense all the time, like who's trying to step on my culture kind of thing. Who's trying to, what is that called, appropriate my culture? Let's appropriate each other's cultures. It's fun. Someone will say, you don't have your own culture, you're just a white American, you don't have your own culture. Okay, maybe that's true. I could make one up though. Apparently, I was Italian. Apparently, I um my my nationality uh is Italian and part German. So uh my mom and my family really like being Italian. You know, they uh a lot of people, a lot of the people in my family are proud to be Italian. And that's not the case for me because I know I'm not really Italian. You know, I like to I like to eat Italian food, I like to drink wine. Um but I'm not I'm not like, oh yeah, I'm proud. The other side of pride is shame. And then it always comes right back around. And you know how you um in the uh in the media and stuff like that, there's this promoting to be proud of a particular color or something like that, which is great, it's a good stepping stone. It's just that that's the opposite of shame. Like, why wouldn't everyone just be equally of as proud to be whatever color they seem to be then? I mean, that would be like proper use of pride, because when pride is used to separate, it always leads to more separation. That's not what what we want. We want to demonstrate our union. Uh we're we're uh for the most part, I think, way more advanced as far as being able to see past the color of our skin. I mean, like what? But it's funny because uh because when I was uh when I was just a kid, you know, I was born in the 70s apparently, and uh and I would hear so much racist stuff all the time. I would always hear racist stuff and like like you know, like actually saying it this person, uh no wonder they're like that. They're that nationality or whatever. And nowadays, it's not like that. It's really not. It's more like people are on the lookout trying to find ways that people are being racist, trying to point it out like that. But even with a even with a person who seems to be in that way, I've been around people who have been, you know, like that fucking, you know, like that. Embracing that too. Don't be afraid of it. A person who seems to hate a uh a certain color, don't be afraid of something like that. That's a call for compassion. That person is divided in their mind. That they're they're demonstrating division in their own mind. Self-hatred is what's going on. So when we become afraid of them being racist, let's say, we call it racist when it's really self-hatred. And then then we make them into some kind of a victimizer that now needs to be punished. Now we're really burying this root. We don't want to bury the root, we want to bring it up. So if someone's demonstrating anything that looks racist, it's not to condemn them for it for it. It's to embrace them because what they're really showing is self-hatred. They need to know how loved and accepted they are. That's really what it is. To try to change their mind and get them to accept a certain uh color or anything like that is just to cover up the root cause they're hating on themselves. Of course, this looks weird that they're carrying it out on a particular color or culture or nationality. But the fact is, it's still a call for love. See? So the more there's hatred toward uh racism, the more uh effects making more racism occur. It's only when you can embrace it actually laughing about it. Really, uh actually just taking it so lightly and laughing at the idea that it's about that. It's really about uh the common human condition. And sometimes it comes out, it it doesn't really matter how it comes out, it's gonna come out in some way. Sometimes it comes out as racism, sometimes it comes out as kicking the dog, sometimes it comes out as uh uh being angry on the road, flipping people off. But these are just demonstrations of the same kind of internal hatred that's not really personal to anyone. It's a it's it's uh the condition of a mind that believes it's in separation. That's why we can help each other undo it when we withdraw these projections like something's bad about that person because they're demonstrating in a way that we don't accept. I talked about child molestation, murder, racism. The thing is, it's all coming from a hurt place, and that hurt needs healing, and the healing depends on you rather than projecting your feelings, embracing them. That's really all it is. There's no world to change or anything like that. So, hooray, everyone! Thank you for joining Wisdom Dialogues. I love you so much. Thank you. I see all of you, I appreciate you. Um, I'm gonna have another ACIM deep dive on Wednesday, this coming Wednesday, the 29th. And that's gonna be my last one for possibly a month. I don't know. We'll see um how things go. I'll keep you guys updated on uh social media. I'll let you know where I go and stuff like that. Uh, in case you don't know, I'm on my ministry. I just travel around, uh, stay wherever people are offering me a place to stay. You could visit my website, hopejohnson.org. Um I also do live in. I just finished my first live-in bridging, transformational bridging. And you can look that up on my website. Review from it has been posted. Of course, it was a really sweet review. He is super stoked. He's feeling very free um and and very uh happy. And seeing, you know, these thoughts are just coming up, they're just coming from the ego, bubbling up and going, that doesn't mean anything. I'm just here for joy. I'm here to extend joy. Really, this everything I'm talking about, the forgiveness, the healing, the miracles, it's all joy. Like Glenn is saying here, it's all for fun. Hooray, and I love you. I love you too. Thank you. Ah, hoo-e-ho, Kalama. You want to visit me? Awesome. Okay, well, keep up on where I am. I think I'm gonna be in uh Bellingham, Washington for six months, especially since one of my friends who's close to there, who happens to be in Masseuse. You know how she's gonna support my ministry? She's gonna give me a massage every week while I'm there. Isn't that amazing? So that's like making me feel very welcome over there. I'll tell you that. I also have a place to stay, uh, not only rent-free, but a huge place on a lake that is really awesome place for me to have uh some more meetings like this and people coming in. Um, what else? I have a jacuzzi, apparently. So, and then I'll be back in Hawaii May. I'll probably be in Hawaii May through October, but we'll see. We'll see. Things change. I'll keep you guys updated. Yay, I love you so much. You're amazing, Kalama. Have a beautiful day, Mahalo. Aloha, and a hoo-e ho.