What If Every Trigger Is A Door To Grace? Wisdom Dialogues @ Bullhead City, AZ | November 23, 2025

What if freedom isn’t out there but in how you join with your own awareness right now? We dive straight into the heart of experience—how breath, sensation and energy shifts reveal the thoughts we’ve been believing, and how a single moment of willingness can turn contraction into clarity. From online criticism to late-night surprises, from family upheaval to money fear, we use real stories to show how every scene can serve healing when we stop trying to fix the world and start relating to our experience with curiosity and love.

I share how “surprise” exposed a hidden belief about desire and safety, how resentment toward traditional roles dissolved when I owned the script I’d handed others, and how even fainting spells became invitations to see the thought “I can’t handle this” and let it release. We explore practical tools: noticing breath and body cues, meeting upset with presence, and using the line I’m willing to have my thoughts corrected now. We talk sex without performance pressure, boundaries without transaction, compassion instead of correction, and the miracle of watching the energy field lighten—grace you don’t earn but receive.

This conversation blends spirituality and everyday life with an eye for patterns and a bias for kindness. If you’ve ever tried to “prove” your faith, wrestled with validation loops, or felt trapped by criticism, you’ll find a gentler way to move: fewer rules, more listening; fewer defenses, more joining. Hit play to level up your perception, laugh at the ego’s scripts, and practice choosing peace over pressure in the moments that matter most. If this speaks to you, subscribe, share with a friend who needs relief today, and leave a review to help others find these dialogues.

Chapters

• 0:00 Defining Freedom As Inner Joining
• 5:30 Feelings As Signals, Not Facts
• 12:00 Seeing Patterns Beneath People’s Behavior
• 17:30 Meeting Criticism With Playful Love
• 24:00 Embracing Experience Over Fixing Situations
• 31:00 Breath, Sensation, And Contraction Cues
• 40:00 Using Loss And Shock As Openings
• 48:00 Swords, Family Upheaval, And Fainting Spells
• 58:00 Owning The Script You Gave Others
• 1:06:00 Karaoke, Smoke, And A Hidden Belief
• 1:14:00 Naivete, Desire, And Comic Relief
• 1:21:00 Survival Patterns And Sexual Value Myths
• 1:30:00 Resentment, Provision, And Rewriting Roles
• 1:38:00 Hearing Spirit And Dropping Rules
• 1:45:00 Makeouts, Miracles, And Motivation
• 1:52:00 Critique, Projection, And Holding Space
• 2:00:00 Worthiness, Players, And No Victims

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:09

Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope Johnson coming to you from Bullhead City, Arizona. Yay, I love you. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much. Ah freedom. Freedom. What is freedom? Yay! I'm so happy to be talking about this. So freedom is in joining. And that's not necessarily uh joining with another person or group of people specifically. It's joining with yourself, the truth of who you are, or you could say Christ. That's the joy of being. That's the joy that you bring to experience. All joy that you bring to experience is the joy of knowing your being. All of the experience comes from your own mind, and the illusion is made out of that. Out of how you choose to be in relationship with your experience. See, that's why all experience is perfect and lovely. And if it's not feeling that way, that's because it's aspects in the unconscious mind, beliefs in the unconscious mind that this isn't true. It's believing that it actually is coming from a source outside of yourself and believing that you don't want it. So you go through these intense feelings because the feelings are the manifestation of that belief. Now, the feelings are the manifestation of believing in separation, believing that the truth is just a fantasy. Those feelings come up strongly to try to hook you back into believing you're being victimized by the world. You know, when the ego throws its hands up, and it seems like it's you because it sounds like your voice, even when the ego speaks, when the ego throws his hand its hands up and goes, screw it, I'm not doing any of this, I'm throwing it all away. Just recognizing that's not you, that's only just the ego. It's passing, it's a passing phase, it's a passing feeling. It also reveals to you some thinking that's out of alignment. So it's not about the situation that's outside, it's not about that thing changing, it's not about that thing being fixed, but it's about using the experience for what it's meant to be used for. Being in relationship with your experience is just uh how do you say it? It's profoundly um beautiful. You could say orgasmic. You know, uh it's uh just to be able to be here with what is arising and not trying to be somewhere else. That's the trying to be somewhere else that causes all of the stress and tension, the simply being with whatever thoughts arise in the way that they do and loving it up, and being with the sensations. See, all thoughts come with a feeling sensation, and including a breath pattern, so you can tell by that if it's not calm and peaceful, if it's grippy, there's a grippy feeling. That means your mind needs to be corrected. That's all, and then you can see the nuances, you can see the deeper patterns, you can see these little dances that people do together. It allows you to see beneath the surface of things to the emotional patterns at play, not just between people in the field, but within yourself. I mean, it's helpful for people in the field too, for observing their patterns. It helps with compassion so you're not reacting to their patterns. It helps you have compassion for them and what they're sharing with you, uh, especially if they're sharing an upset feeling. Because whenever someone's sharing an upset feeling, you know, they're going, oh, this thing happened, and then this is the way I feel. And you know, they're basically uh bringing their delusional thinking to the light. They're not doing anything wrong, they're just bringing it to the light. So bringing it out, it's always better out than in. That's one fun way to say it. Uh letting it come out and recognizing that that's false, and thank goodness it's false. Because if it were true, we'd really be in trouble. See, so thank goodness that any thought that feels any kind of lack of love, let's say, that seems to be lacking calmness or peace or a sense of unity, that thought is a meaningless thought. It's really as simple as that. And you know, I've said it a million times, but it's uh it's funny when you look at it, what's always tripping you up every single time you're getting trip up tripped up, it's a meaningless thought. Every single time, it's just another meaningless thought. It's saying something has gone wrong. You know, you just get into the habit of seeing that everything is going right for yourself and for everyone else, it's all going perfect. Not really minding so much what the perception brings, just meeting it with willingness to see beyond it, willingness to know yourself as Christ and see beyond it, right? I've been getting some fun comments on my YouTube. Apparently, uh the YouTube kind of picked up, and now I'm starting to get comments. It's funny. Some of the first comments seem like they're critical, but you know what? That's just fun. Right? It seems like it's critical. Uh, but you know, it's all just my own mind. Like when I see things playing out like that, I'm like, oh, that's fun. You know, it seems like uh maybe it seems like what I'm saying is taken the wrong way or misunderstood, right? Oh, those are moments, uh, those are uh miracle opportunities, right? It's just there's willingness to forgive in the moment what seems to be coming outside from outside of yourself and recall recognizing that your mind makes it. This is what I'm what I perceive as something critical, are critical aspects, thoughts in my unconscious mind, meaning unwatched. Well, I'm watching it now. Here it is, it's presenting itself. That's what's going on, right? So it's presenting itself as a critical comment. It's only two critical comments, but I'm usually getting no comments or else just really uplifting comments. Um and yeah, I just use everything though. I just I just see the pattern. Okay, I'm that's what I'm here for. I I'm seeing the patterns and undoing them, and it's super fun and playful and light. So uh so noticing that these are aspects of my unwatched mind basically saying you're doing it wrong or saying it wrong or whatever. Um one of them was like kind of like, what are you like get with it, get with the century. We all know we're not created, we're uh made out of biology, you know. So that's like way out there. Um uh as far as like how that was what I was sharing was interpreted. And this seems to happen on clips too. Substack just takes certain clips, and it I don't have anything to do with that, apparently. Substack takes certain clips and just puts them on YouTube, and sometimes I look at the clip and go, man, that's gonna be taken out of context. Sometimes I delete them, but um yeah, noticing, oh, that's just unconscious thoughts in my mind. It just met with love and playfulness too, and it was just fun responding to them too, um, in in a way that's fun, and also, you know, telling the truth and sharing love. That is also the thing. I love to share love with people, so I get so excited if they make any kind of comment, you know, uh, just for the opportunity to reflect to them how lovely they are. I love that. Because that's the truth about everyone, and in all and in any way they come to you. Um, let's say they come to you with a problem about you, uh, feeling like uh a bad feeling over something that you apparently did. Well, you know you didn't really do anything, and you know they're not really angry with you. That's not true. So you can meet any feeling with presence in the truth of who you are, with willingness to see. You can meet any feeling like that, so there's nothing to be afraid of. See, this isn't about trying to manage your behavior about what you're gonna do in a situation like this, it's about watching to see where you're pushing it away, you're trying to push it away, and embrace the situation basically means embrace your experience. See, you're in relationship with your experience. You can say that the human that you made is in relationship with the situation, but you're before that, you're in relationship with this experience, the whole experience that you're projecting. See, so when you're in a mindset of embracing that, then everything is coming from love. You're putting yourself into a miracle-minded state of mind, you're miracle ready. You know, one really potent step is knowing that you can handle any experience that's being presented. No experience actually touches you, and you only experience through sensation. So even your seeing is a sensation, even your hearing is a sensation. The thoughts that tick across uh strike certain chords in the body's energy field, making sensation. See, and then that tune, the tune that's playing in the body's energy field projects more thinking, which becomes form, and you feel everything that you're projecting as well. If you tune into how it feels to be projecting, notice you'll see the contraction. It's like a contraction. You might experience grinding teeth, you might experience clenching in the belly. If you notice your breath, you'll notice shortness of breath. The breath isn't making it to the belly when you're upset. When you're nervous and when you're not present to the moment, it's like your breath doesn't even know what to do. Sure, you're apparently breathing, but it's barely enough breath. Apparently. It seems to have effects, apparently. But it's really an effect of a mind in contraction, it's contracting against its experience instead of opening to its experience, it's pushing it away. So here's one example, too. This is a fun example. Your mind moves to evaluate yourself. This is so common. It's so so common. When your mind moves to examine itself, be reminded that those thoughts don't mean anything, they don't mean anything. If you want to evaluate something, evaluate how peaceful or not you feel right now.

SPEAKER_01: 15:50

Notice that.

SPEAKER_02: 15:54

Okay, and to say something like that, it's like you can always take a step back. If you're feeling uh, if you're feeling senses that sadness is here, or anger, or greed, or any kind of upset, worry, if you're feeling sense is anything like that, take one step back from that. Because you are also not that which feels. Feeling is an interpretation that you're making. It's a signal, it's not who you are, it's just a signal. You don't have to be afraid of it one bit. In fact, it opens you up. You could look at it as an opening opportunity. Loss, it's like, let's say there's like a sudden death of someone that you're really connected to, perception of death. There's really no death, but say that's in the perception, right? And there's immediately there's probably a sense of extreme loss, like you sense a dropping down, right? The sooner you can recognize that this is an opportunity, the more you're going to be able to use that opportunity while the energy is hot. You can say the unconscious pain, the pain that where you are not aware of, is being brought up to the surface, using this experience as a catalyst to bring that up. See? So the whole experience is being orchestrated for you so you could see the pain that you're not conscious of. So as soon as you could see it as a blessing, as something to uh curiously look at rather than react to as if you know something is truly falling apart, illusions are always falling apart with change. That's what change is bringing. Change is bringing up uh these this pain that we hold in the unconscious mind, it's bringing it to the surface. That's what our experience is really for. And when you look on experience as being for uh returning to union, that's exactly what you'll be able to use it for. Going on do not disturb, yeah. So the way we've been taught to react even to our own feelings is a way of keeping the illusion alive. Uh, embracing is just being, it's like it's like you're just kicking back, enjoying the ride. Whatever the ride brings, sometimes it brings us out in oh my god. Right. Look at them all as opportunities. I had many opportunities. Um, there seemed to be a rough phase. I even had a couple of uh psychics. You know, everyone's just being written into your story when I talk about these things. I'm talking about these things being written into my story. They're perceived. So the perception was I was they were coming up with all these swords, two different psychics. Psychics just wanted to give me readings. It was after the lava. And psychics, everyone was just giving stuff for free. It was the sweetest thing. Well, psychics were giving me readings, and two psychics, two of two psychics showing swords everywhere. And you know, I was just in the mindset, oh shit. I'm invulnerable to all that stuff. Show me what it is. Show me what needs to be revealed and healed. Show me what needs to be felt through, honestly. So I got many opportunities after that. You know, it seemed like my whole family turned against me, including my husband. My husband seemed to have a staph infection, down for a couple years, lost a lot of traction on our business. Um getting hit with seeming aging effects and financial effects and all these different things. And, you know, it was just like, this is it. This is the opportunity. And it wasn't all of those intense things that seemed intense to me. Um, I would see them as an opportunity and watch the intensity rise. Notice the intensity rise and notice, oh, those thoughts don't mean anything. I'm just here now. Having an experience, relating with an experience that I gave myself. See, so all that was like a period where I was just sorting things out. And, you know, sometimes it got so intense at one point I was having fainting spells during that time. Um, at least one of you or some of you on here might remember that when I was having fainting spells that actually just like faint right in the middle of the um movie theater. You know, a part of myself was uh in the unconscious mind, like, I can't handle this. I gotta get out of here. I can't handle this, right? Um, but that's the thing about just keep on taking a step back, even if there's fainting set spells, not to make that real, just use that for the same undoing. We're undoing the unconscious mind here. We're not trying to make a particular image. Yeah. So for several months in there, I had uh fainting spells, and I would look at those too and go, oh, okay, that's fun. That's a fun one. So not it's not identifying with that unconscious thought that says, I gotta get out of here. It's basically like, I can't handle this much intensity. I gotta get out of here. So there's an aspect of the self, even though on the surface, a surface self, the one that you know is listening to the Christ mind that's hearing from the Christ mind, that is the Christ mind, is going, I know this is just an illusion. I know I'm projecting it for my own healing, but then there's an aspect of self that doesn't believe that. And that's what's being brought to the surface through these manifestations. So through the fainting spells, it's like, oh. And my daughter even said, Man, mom, you really want to get out of here, don't you? When she said that, I was like, Oh my goodness, I see how I'm totally setting this up. Okay, those thoughts aren't true. No, I'm totally here for this. So it's just like denying meaning to the thoughts that are giving cause to fainting spells. Basically, I want to get out of here. I can't handle this. Right? The ego mind will try to make it about something else, it'll try to make it about what you ate, what you drank, um, what you smoked. But it's knowing that all of those, even, are an effect of unconscious, unwatched thoughts. So the manifestations come to help us see what we were afraid to see because of the layer of fear between consciousness and the unconscious mind. There's a lot that we don't see that we can't see until it's brought to manifestation. And if we will treat the manifestation as a manifestation of the unwatched thoughts in our mind, the private secret thoughts in our mind rather than a real manifestation, that's how we see through it. That's how we start to recognize patterns. I recognize the pattern in myself this weekend. It was so much fun. It occurred when I uh went out with my sister. This is how it was brought up and brought into the light. I went out with my sister. Um, we went to casino drive. She wanted to do some karaoke. And um, so I met her at 8:30 p.m. at this bar. The it was beautiful just because it's got all the lights of the casinos coming in one big window. But it was a trip because I go in there and immediately smell smoke. The smoke is strong, it's still on my jacket. And there was a sense, oh, something's wrong here. And then I see ashtrays, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. It's Nevada. Okay, people smoke. All right, cool. Uh everything's fine. Uh, even found myself smoking, had fun time uh saying karaoke too. Watch my sister do karaoke. She's so cute. She's like a karaoke superstar. Um, had some interesting interactions with her. It was so beautiful. It seems like uh something got through at a deeper level because you know, she went. I saw her come out of her patterning for my a moment for a moment and recognize something, and then go back into her patterning, which I've seen people do before, and I know it's perfect. Um, just fun to uh fun to interact. So she was looking at me at one point, and um, she just her eyes just look so worried all of a sudden. She said, Hope, do I look okay? And I go, You look perfect for what you're meant to do here. You're always looking perfect. You gotta know that uh for for the function that you have here, which is blessing the world. You look perfect, you shouldn't look any different way than the way you look right now. And for a moment, I saw a sense of release, and then I saw the worry come back in again. Uh, and I was like, that's okay. There is a sense of release, that's the thing to be grateful about. You know, it's the resurrection that's a lesson, not the crucifixion. You see people crucifying themselves all the time, but that doesn't have any real effects. It's the resurrection, and that's always happening whenever anyone even gets a moment of relief, you know, and I can feel it in my own energy field too, because the people that we peopled our world with, we actually taught them how to think. So we're teaching them different, but we're not trying to force it on them. They got their own pace of learning still. In that way, they're individuated, uh, in that they have uh freedom, they have free will to unlearn at their pace. You know, in the early teachings in a cur in a course in miracles, it was talking about how how to ask to say only what the Holy Spirit would have you say and not anything else. You know, that's the teaching to help you hear from the Holy Spirit. When you hear from the Holy Spirit, you know, all that stuff gets thrown out the window. But when you're learning how to hear from the Holy Spirit, you're asking, show me how to say exactly what you want me to say and not anything more. See, so you don't get in on your own agenda trying to push the person to learn, trying to push the person to understand. Understanding is not what is what is important, joining is joining, is what's important, and we join in love, in acceptance, in peace. See, the learning, the understanding that takes place as a matter of course. It's not really up to any of us to teach. So I was hanging out at the bar and I was hanging out with a young man. I think he told me he was 36. I don't know. I was high in tequila at the time, apparently. Um and it got to be kind of late, and we go, let's go get some food. Yeah, let's go get some food. Right. So we take off, we get in the car, and he immediately starts kissing me. And I'm like, oh my goodness. And to me, I go, Holy shit, I was not expecting that. Like I was not seeming to myself to talk to him in a way that would uh make him even think I was into him that way because I wasn't feeling like I was into him in that way. Uh, I thought he just wanted to go get something to eat. And then the next thing I know, we're making out. So um I go, oh, okay. Well, this is nice. This is really nice, it's really sweet, right? Then he wanted to go further and further and further. And I go, okay, no, we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that right now. It's time to go. Uh yeah, right. I'm gonna I'm gonna take you over to your car, and uh, and then we had a really nice um meeting, joining in the car. Uh, it's probably like a 17, 18-minute ride, and just sweetness, playfulness, sweetness, uh, no hard feelings or uh feeling like rejection or anything like that. But one thing that I notice is the sense that uh I was surprised. I go, okay, when you're surprised, that means you made it up. That means you made it up. So it's like a uh false naive, falsely naive. And I see the underlying belief perfectly now. I recognize it perfectly. The underlying belief is any man who wants to hang hang out with me wants to make love with me. And you know, it's like it's hidden. What I'm saying is it's hidden, and you know, seeing the manifestation of it and seeing the manifestation of oh, this uh sense like, oh, it's disbelief. Like, I can't believe this is even happening right now. How did you know how did I make this? So it's like look to the unwatched, unconscious mind. That mind is saying, shit, all of them want to do it with me, and then covering it up. So whatever we're hardwired to believe, we manifest, and I certainly have manifested that through my experiences, through my ex uh my uh perceptions. It it repeatedly occurred over and over again in the world. It was the same thing when I was a kid. When I was a kid, it was with grown men, right? I've heard that. Have you guys heard that before? It's in the collective consciousness that no man hangs out with a woman unless he wants to get with her, right? So recognizing all that's the underlying thought. That's why it didn't seem like it was uh that it didn't, it didn't seem like it was um the natural thing that would happen. It didn't seem like that to me. It took me by surprise. Like I didn't think uh this guy was into me or I was into him, but something underlying is saying, yes, it's true, and just taking other, you know, looking tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, all of a sudden I'm shown all these different areas throughout my perceiving this lifetime where that hidden self-belief kept on arising and kept on playing itself out in a lot of different ways, and in a lot of ways, where a lot of times where it felt totally unwelcome, like ooh no, right? We're orchestrating the whole thing. So for me, that's the whole purpose of every interaction. So it was funny because the the young man um was playing out a great part, it was uh, you know, the part of this uh immature guy who's horny and only wants sex with you, right? As playing out that kind of part. And I just felt so sweet with him. I was just thanking him the whole time. Um, and in fact, he gave me his phone number and he said, he said, hey, reach out to me. I want to hear from you. So, you know, I reached out to him and I just told him, Thank you, and I let him know what a blessing he is and stuff. Um, and then and then I sent him a picture because I invited him to my event. My after we parted, I had an event starting 12 hours later. It was like close to four in the morning. And my next event where I was gonna be speaking publicly was at 4 p.m. the same day. So I go, hey, if you can make it, come to this event event. And he was like, uh, and he was like, Oh, I'm sorry, I would love to come, but this and this and this. So afterwards, I sent him a photo of that we got from the event, and um, and I told him that you know it was a really sweet event and set and stuff. And then he writes back, sexy as fuck. And I'm like, oh my goodness, I just start laughing so hard, you know. Um it's like the manifestation of it is just so sweet, it's all the way back to you know, this base level, it's all uh uh looked at as being a physical, just a physical body that you can get something out of while it looks good. Right. Uh so you know, I just uh I just loved him up some more, and I just uh I just told him that's awesome, and thank you. And um and so much gratitude that he doesn't even know that how how helpful our interaction is, and not only helpful to me, but also helpful to him. Uh, because a miracle it shifts the perception from seeing as an seeing things as an illusion to seeing and feeling things in a true way, feel seeing and feeling the truth. So when a miracle occurs, it's like this kind of behavior that is make-believe, this kind of grippy, horny behavior, whatever the perception is, it's all in the perception. That uh way of being is getting healed because it's seeing how it doesn't get you anything that you want. Right? And this way of hiding from ourselves, acting naive, for instance. I was like, oh, that's me acting naive. When I uh when when I momentarily believed the thought, you know, I momentarily believed the thought. Shit, where did that come from? I thought we were just going to get some food. Now he's ready to go all the way. Because I made it like that. That's how it always is. It's not anything to feel bad about either. And I think that's what you know the teaching is that this isn't anything that anything for feeling bad about. That there's underlying thoughts that say certain things. This is a very common belief of the world. Apparently, I've internalized it. Now, when it shows up, I'm watching it. I don't know if it's totally resolved, it might be. You know, just because of all the laughter, all the comedy that came out of the situation. You can see when you're laughing about the situation, you've lightened it up a bunch.

SPEAKER_01: 38:22

No one can come in and create in our experience.

SPEAKER_02: 38:31

They can only answer the call. What they're doing is they're answering the call like reading a script that we gave them.

SPEAKER_01: 38:43

And nothing's wrong. It's fun to see the patterns. I'm glad to see that pattern. Now I can't pretend like I'm shocked.

SPEAKER_02: 39:08

You know, it's like welcoming a different perception, welcoming a different point of view.

SPEAKER_01: 39:20

It's like, oh, now things are gonna change.

SPEAKER_02: 39:23

Now things aren't gonna continue to be, the things going forward are not gonna continue to be just like the past. Even where I'm, you know, even it's not just limited to that particular pattern. Even where I'm believing that I'm not authoring this in other instances, wherever I'm believing that I'm not the author of it, there's an underlying thought that's uh propping up uh a veil right there. Can you believe these guys? Can you believe how they just think that that's all you're for? Well, yes, I made them that way. You know, it's uh and for me an another part of the patterning that I could see is it's a survival mechanism, too. Because it looks like if I'm not fuckable, I might not get what I need in the world. I might not survive. See that that's a thought that goes even deeper than the one about they all want. See how it's just survival. This is what I have, this is my value, this is what I bring to the world. Right? And then a thought to keep me safe. Every everyone who hangs, every guy who hangs out with me wants to have sex, and the ego's crafty about it. I could use that to get what I need in the world, a stress is strategic with it. Right. And then there's resentment for it not working. You're not, uh, you know, you're uh this great sex that you're providing. Is it even getting you a sense of stability in the world? So it's like layer over layer over layer, and then it's projections about what the men should be doing, how they should be getting better at things, how they should be supporting you better. I had that one uh to the point where I felt unattracted to my husband after a while, after a while of having the perception that he wasn't supporting me financially. I was like, fuck, what am I even doing here? Right? So it's not like uh it's not like moving out of my husband's house. I'm not even gonna say leaving my husband, still my husband, apparently. Uh moving out of my husband's husband's house, it wasn't right or wrong or anything. Uh, the sense of attraction in that way, um, the sense of uh feeling amorous in that way, I guess, wasn't there. And so I moved out. There's still an immense uh sense of love and respect there. And when I looked into it, I uh oh wow, that really underneath the surface, I didn't notice that, but that was building up resentment that he wasn't supporting me in a financial way, like he was supposed to be doing that because he's in a male body, and uh looked into it a little bit, uh male, female, xy axis, all that kind of stuff. And I kind of uh went into that a little for a little while and recognized that the XY is within myself, it's not his fault that in my dream he wasn't providing, he wasn't the provider, he wasn't the male provider, wasn't his fault. It was the way I made it, right? It's the way I made him, it's the way I scripted him because of all the patterns, because of all the layers, and and I just feel like it's just so beautiful the way they come to the light, the way they just keep on coming to the light. It's like, oh, that doesn't mean anything. You know, I got the sense um when I had a major opening last year, I got the sense that I did it on my own. Right? I didn't have any help. I didn't have anyone that was on my um, I guess you can say, on my level of consciousness supporting me in that way. I was going it alone. I was looked on as a crazy person in my household and in my family and everything like that. I did not have the support of my husband, apparently, in spirituality either. He did not approve of my path. That's what it looked like. It looked like resistance. That was another thing that seemed to build up, and and soon enough, I did not feel attracted to him. Well, recently, more recently, I had a conversation with him, and I said, you know what? I did not do it alone. That's not true. That's the percep perception that I had, but you were supporting me the whole time. It just didn't look like it on the surface of things, the way you would expect support to look. But actually, you gave me everything I needed, and you were playing a part, uh a perfect husband part. You know, uh, the lack of support part was like a barrier that I put up for myself. It was uh it was using him to keep myself in check, so I didn't go too far too fast. So I didn't go too deep too fast. It was like a safe uh way, it gave me a safe space and a good container and a way to unwind my mind until I got to a certain point where I just had a huge opening, and it was very clear to me that I was called to leave that situation. It was just um the obvious next step. Uh, and and that's really, you know, something that I've become really good at recognizing because of uh having a habit of listening to the spirit, first a habit of listening to the spirit, and then just a habit of listening. You could say listening for the truth, um, you know, eventually it dawned on me, and I would say that's uh uh even more recently to a more full extent, like within the past couple of months, that it's dawned on me that, you know, truly I am only spirit. When I ask spirit anything, I'm not asking anyone anything but myself. And I just don't even get the sense that I'm this separate I asking, right? I don't get us get the sense that that's even me. So it doesn't make sense to me anymore. But just in hearing uh from the spirit's perspective, which is my true perspective on everything. This willingness to hear from the spirit's perspective, see, that's what allows you to see everything as a blessing. There's no rules as to uh how you should act, what you should do, what you should say. You know, you're gonna perceive people in your experience going, oh, I don't like what you're talking about or anything like that. Cool. Okay. The ones who resonate with it, those are the ones who will come around, and they're the perfect ones to always come around. And certain people will resonate with what you seem to be sharing sometimes and other times not be resonating with it. I always tell people that's perfect too. It's it's like, you know, you don't need anyone to agree with you to be authentically uh sharing and authentically coming through. I mean, all of these patterns that are arising are arising for our benefit. And making them secret and trying to keep them secret and uh uh and and not coming out with it, that's what keeps them hidden. And there's a strong drive to keep things hidden, isn't there? You can kind of think about it as look at a child in what you would call a dysfunctional house household who's being abused um and or who's being molested. And the family is like, you better not talk about this. It's the same way with the ego. You better not talk about this. Because if you talk about it, it's a threat to the ego. It's not a people ask me, how can you talk about things that's so personal? How can how can you do that? Like, it's like because that is not me. I am not the person, I am not a person. A person is projected, okay? So it's like to allow uh the person to be a pure manifestation of spirit is to see yourself as only spirit. So then that's all that can include infuse the person, and that's all up to you. If you think that the person can be infused by ego, then it will be. But it's your it's your vision of it. Okay, it's your it's your sight, it's your sight of it. When you perceive yourself as guilty or small or something that are not powerful, that's a good way of seeing it. Not powerful is also guilty, and I don't mean just a little bit powerful, I'm talking about all powerful mind that manifests every experience that you have and can handle everything, and that is perfect love. That's the thing that the ego will never see. The ego only sees you as this person, the person you made with the ego, and the interesting thing is when you see yourself as incapable of being anything but loving, that's exactly what uh the self you could say, the self you made gets filled with. Because the self you made is a manifestation of an unconscious mind, unwatched mind, it means unwatched, that's full of garbage. And when some of that garbage gets revealed and healed, automatically that empty space in the unconscious mind is filled with perfect love until there's no more garbage in there, there's no more unwatched beliefs. So as soon as I start to watch my beliefs, as soon as I make the decision and and recognize, oh my gosh, this is a belief of mine. Yay! It's like, yay, now I know. Doesn't mean I have to do anything on the surface of things, you know. I could still have makeout sessions if that aligns, up until the point where it doesn't align. And then it's like, okay, that's enough. That's enough of that. Okay, I got the message. Everything is so that I can give it get a message. Everything um doesn't matter from high on tequila, that doesn't matter. Everything is given in my mind for the Holy Spirit's purpose only. What's the Holy Spirit's purpose here? Because that's my purpose, that's my true purpose. I don't have anything to get out of having a makeout session on a personal level. There's nothing for me to get there. Can I still enjoy the experience? Yes, I can. I can enjoy every experience and embrace every experience. All right, and watching the arc of joy, don't give in to ego strategies where it any where it feels uh like you're doing anything out of pressure, like you're doing something to get something else, just in watching that, just in noticing that that is serving the Holy Spirit's purpose. So willing to observe the ego strategy without identifying with it, with the ego strategy. See? It's fun when you're not identified with it. When you're identified that with it, you're gonna be scared to look at this. You're gonna be afraid to look at this.

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Okay, I'll be right back. I'm getting some water.

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And there's a misunderstanding in believing that we are these images, in believing we should be critiquing other images, including critiquing our own image image. You know, when you hear that critical voice, whether it seems to be about you or someone else, notice the feeling effect. Embrace that feeling, right? Notice that that is actually coming from the unconscious mind, it's not caused by the behavior in the field, and then you can embrace any upset thought or feeling that arises. And this is helping everyone that you're interacting with. You know, it's helpful to everyone because you know, we're normally someone coming with a grippy, immature sexual energy would be regarded as something in the world and not seen as uh the holy son of God, right? This character even seemed to see himself as something that was unworthy. He even seemed to see himself as someone that was unworthy of love. So I let him know of his worthiness, you know, knowing that I'm making him out any way that he even believes that he is. Uh, that means that my function in that is to observe and be aware of our shared worthiness. So it's not about buying into thoughts that say, uh, oh, this guy's just a player, he shouldn't get anything. You know, it's like when you when you think of someone as a player, you think of someone as someone who can take something from another person. You know, it's like, oh, they played you, they took something from you, like against your will. Uh, no one can take anything from anyone. It's not like that. And you know, I've heard friends, it's fun that I get to play this kind of stuff out because um I've heard friends like back when I was in Hawaii, uh, some of my friends are saying that uh they're not gonna have sex with guys, they're gonna stop having sex with guys. Before that, they're having a bunch of sex with guys, and I hear this and I was like, oh, good luck with that. Uh what? You don't have a choice in it. But the idea that you're not gonna do it, you're pushing it away. You need to experience your experience, don't make things wrong, don't make what you seem to be uh engaging in as something that's wrong because you feel bad about it. You're not really feeling a bad, you're not really feeling bad about having sex. You're feeling bad about identifying as an ego.

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That's what it is.

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You know, these uh these experiences that that we have have been uh misinterpreted. They seem to be for something different than what they're actually for, they're for joining, they're for joining in the union, what's true, our innocence, everything like that. It doesn't matter if you're having totally wild, wicked sex, whatever's it doesn't matter. Okay, it's the way you're relating with your experience, it's the way you're regarding the son of God, which is your true self and the true self of everyone you interact with. So it's not about uh judging the activity itself, it's about embracing your experience, and part of your experience might be telling you, I'm not gonna do that anymore. Great. What you can see is you apparently don't want to do it anymore, but there's probably a huge bunch of tangled thoughts in the unconscious mind that are totally ready to do it again. Okay, and it's because things need to be brought up to the surface. So, uh, when it comes to doing just being willing to do whatever is the most beneficial, whatever that seems to be, don't make anything off limits.

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Right.

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I liked how in A Course in Miracles, uh Jesus was talking about how, you know, homosexual homosexual relationships aren't like inherently wrong, but it is harmful to your mind to specifically exclude something. Right? To so to specifically exclude the opposite sex, let's say. See, so to specifically exclude any activity because you're being specific about it. See that? It's identity speaking. You wouldn't be so specific about it if it wasn't triggering something in the unconscious mind. You would just be willing to do whatever you're called to do in the moment. And give it all to the spirit. Give it all toward the awakening. Let your intention be to bless through whatever activities you seem to be called to do without trying to push things and make things into right and wrong. See that? When I was in Ahih Heek, I heard from a few men um who were professing to me to be totally done with sex. They were like, I don't even get one inkling of any kind of attraction, anything like that. And so I started asking questions about that. Oh, really? So where do you think that came from? How did that come about? And both of them had the same kind of answer. They felt like they couldn't perform the way the women expect them to perform. See, and what that reveals to me is just a lifetime of not understanding, not realizing what sex is for. It's not for a performance. It's not a performance that you do. Okay, just like any activity that we do together, it's a joining, it's a relaxing together. Right? Obviously, the relaxation wasn't there in their sexual experiences. They were feeling pressured, and they both projected it that it's the women who want them to perform better. Isn't that fun? Of course it's a of course it's like a circular thing where you know the women maybe they think they want them to perform better too. But it's always for each of us to take responsibility for whatever we're perceiving. You know, feeling victimized by uh women want you to perform, and uh now your uh stuff doesn't get as hard and stay hard as long as it used to, right? That's not a spiritual thing where you stopped having sex, that's not for spiritual reasons, you can say it's actually fear uh coming up, and it's misbelief that can be corrected, and that's the idea that uh you're expected to perform that's coming from you. You don't know that you can relax, that's the grippy energy, you know. Everything is possible, learning to relax, learning to uh perform everything from a relaxed state of mind. That means non-performance as yourself, letting the spirit be the performer. Let the spirit perform for you, whatever it is you seem to be doing. For the sweeties that just arrived, I want to let you know that this starts at uh 3 p.m. Arizona time, and that's uh 2 p.m. Pacific time, and it's 12 p.m. Hawaii time. Um, and also I'm not coming back for the ACIM deep dive on Wednesday. I'm gonna be here tomorrow for ACIM deep dive. My schedule changed a little bit. Okay. And then for all of you, um, after tomorrow, I'm gonna have about two weeks off. And then my schedule's gonna be changed. It's gonna be a different schedule. For one, one of my days that I'm gonna be doing, uh, one of my talks is gonna be Sunday. I'm not sure what the other day is gonna be yet, but I'm gonna be going to Washington and I'm just uh I think I might be there for a while unless people want me to fly somewhere else and show up for them and wherever they are. But I think I'm gonna be there about six months. That's what it looks like. So I'll get settled into a longer routine there where I come on uh twice a week, but the schedule will be different than what it has been. Okay. So there's just one more tomorrow. And then after that, look for a changed schedule. My Zoom people, you're gonna get the emails like you do about when it's happening uh the day before and an hour before. I will also update my calendar on my website. If you go to hopejohnson.org and you look at events, I update my calendar over there. Um where else? Substack people, that it'll be announced like it always does, like it always is. I usually announce it on the same day. But if you want to know what my schedule is gonna be, as soon as I know, I'll update my website. And you can always send me a message. It's easy. You can go to my chat on my website, or you can email me. You could email to hope at hopejohnson.org, find me on Facebook, WhatsApp, however you want to do it. I'm all over the place, apparently. Technology makes that really easy. Easy. They all come in like a the same kind of message right on my phone. Very simple. So yeah, for some of you who are just joining, uh, we already uh dove pretty deep because we've been here for an hour, but uh yeah, it continues. I'm sure it continues. Uh well, if you're watching this right now, you probably notice there's a jet skier and a woman in a bathing suit and a casino in the background. That is Bullhead City. Um, that's from the Bullhead City side, looking over to the Nevada side. And that's uh kind of close to where I was the other night. Um, fun and games and lots of awakening. I got to present to a number of women. There are quite a few women. I posted it um on my Facebook. I put the uh I put the photo of all of us, a really sweet photo of all of us together on the Facebook. And they're very receptive women. I feel super, super honored to be able to come and share so openly with these women. Um, I framed it a little bit different this time. The recording will be up pretty soon, probably before I post this one to the podcast. Um yeah, people were enjoying it as far as uh the openings that were have happening. I just kept on seeing people opening. Oh, that's what that means. Okay, right, and ready to see things in a different way. Um, I was inspired to frame everything like a video game. Um, this character is just it's really like a non-player character because it's playing out, it's an illusion playing out, and you know, uh it's all coming up so that we can level up. This it's leveling up to uh different levels of perception, different ways of perceiving, perceiving, different mind states. It's leveling up because of seeing that illusion is just illusion. We were talking about that being the final judgment, to seeing the false as such. And this is something that's in many spiritual uh traditions recognizing the false acts as such. And these are basically thoughts that deny the truth, the power that you are, the innocence, the holiness, and letting that that space that you make be filled with perfect love, so that that's how the form, the self that you made, that's a form, is infused, and that's how it functions, it just functions off of the spirit. I mean, truly, it's power, all power, even ego, ego power, ego is really a sign of powerlessness, um, because it's based on fear, but all of it comes from source. That's why ego fear can easily be seen through. It's a manifestation overlaid over the source, over what's actually true. You know, success is in recognizing that any feeling that comes up can be embraced, and every experience is coming to you as a feeling, it's not a real thing, it's coming to you as a feeling, as an experience. So not being somewhere else, not running in the mind, being where you are, being present where you are. That means present to the experience. Uh, you know, when I invite you to relax, what does that really mean? It's relaxing around the experience, letting the experience be what it is, and relaxing, relaxing past thoughts that insist that you should be serious about something. Relaxing past that, accepting your innocence, knowing that only peace can prevail because that's who you are. So if something else seems to be prevailing that's not peace, you're watching a movie. It's a movie of your own making. If something seems to be prevailing that's not peace, that's a projection. It's not really true. Only peace prevails. All you have to uh do is truly want peace instead of the other thing that you've made real. The thing that seems to be real that's not really real. Uh, let's say it's an idea that you did something wrong. Recently, I just uh brought up the idea you made out or had sex with the wrong person. You shouldn't have done that.

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You can have peace or you can have that thought.

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One of my friends, I haven't responded to him yet. I've been uh exchanging with him on chat a lot. And today uh he was sharing with me how he knows that uh he's not sustained by money, he's sustained by the love of God, and he feels peace and freedom in that. And at the same time, he's noticing his mind being pulled off into being worried about how things are gonna go financially, and even condemning himself for being such an idiot and letting his finances fall apart like this, and letting him be get behind in his finances because he was doing something he enjoyed, like singing and all this other kind of stuff. Right? So that's one way the ego uh kind of hooks us into believing that the world is real and solid. Oh, look, here's this piece of wisdom that says you're sustained by the love of God. Okay, great. I'm sustained by the love of God. Ah, what a joy! I feel it, I know it, and now I'm gonna go out and prove it. That part is the ego that wants to go out and prove it. See, the only reason the ego wants to go out and prove it is because the ego knows that you'll get the sense of failing and making an ass out of yourself, and that's what the ego wants. It's gonna prove, see, you're not sustained by the love of God, you're sustained by your hard work and labor, right? So letting it be the obvious next step so that you don't scare yourself, you know, even though it's true you're sustained by the love of God. Also, your belief is very strong that you're not sustained by the love of God. So do what feels you don't really make a choice in doing, allow yourself to do what feels the most uh the the most joyful, or you could say the least fearful. Even more than that, you know, the most joyful really is the least fearful, but it's a good way of looking at it. What's the least fearful? You might want to look at worst case scenario in your apparent mind and what you brought, what you made real, right? You might look at that and go, okay, worst case scenario. Let's say I don't have any income for a month. What would that, what would the manifestation be like? Can I handle that feeling? Really, that's what it is. And you know, you can tell, you can imagine what the feeling is gonna be like. You can totally do that from right now. Or imagine what that feeling would be like in the event that you took, let's say, a month and just screwed around and didn't make any income. And what's the worst case scenario there? And is that does that feel okay? If it doesn't, don't test yourself like that. That's testing the ego, really. That's not even really testing yourself, it's just testing the ego. Uh, in the Bible, they call that tempting the ego. Tempting the ego. Thank you for joining. Just a reminder: tomorrow I'll be on at the same time I came on today, which was at uh 3 p.m. Arizona time. And I'm noticing right now it looks like it's 4 18. Oh interesting. Okay, yeah, 3 p.m. Arizona time. Um, so I've been on an hour and uh 19 minutes now, and tomorrow I'll be on at the same time. So whatever time you're coming on right now, it's about an starts about an hour earlier tomorrow. And that's my last one for a little bit. So thank you for joining.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:39

So another dynamic that I got to see play out. It wasn't um particularly in myself. Oh, it's close to me, though. You know, it's like all in myself, it's just not perceived as being my own pattern. But, you know, I patterned everyone and peopled everyone that comes into the world. So another pattern I've seen seen at play is one person uh wants to be seen as helpful, as um worthy, worthy of taking up space. This is very common. And the way uh the ego strategy is to get that validation from other people. Like, okay, you're help, you're helpful enough to be loved, you're helpful enough to be worthy. So these two kinds interact, and you know, one person may play both kinds or one or the other kind in their experiences. Um, but these two energies interact in a certain way, um, where one is trying to get validation and another, and a lot of the times this is totally unconscious, people don't even realize they're doing this, but I could just see the play. And and the other person is recognizing that person's need to feel validated through being helpful, and they automatically draw on that, right? And so then the one that was uh was originally trying to be helpful, trying to strategize like that, ends up feeling burdened or pressured, right? Under pressure. Like, how do I even say no to this person? Right? Because the energy starts to play like that. It's like, and you know, the sense is I'm gonna withhold my approval of you.

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If you don't do this thing, I'm gonna withhold you my approval of you.

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And so, you know, the question was well, did that person contact you? Like asking me, did that person contact you? No, they didn't contact me because they know they can't play that game with me. That's why they didn't contact me. Because that's a certain mode. It's a certain energy that's looking for another energy to interact with it.

unknown: 1:20:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:11

It's a gripping energy. Both parties are looking for something for fulfillment in a way that is not going to be helpful to them. Right. I had an I had an interesting experience in that regard, kind of like on that vein, maybe about a week ago or two weeks ago or so with my mom, where she just came up to me. You know, I was, I was, I was at a um gathering and she came up to me and she said, You're meeting me tomorrow at 7 a.m. And and you know, my first reaction was, I am. Really? She's like, You you are. And then she started to get scared because I was just kind of like, I am, you know, uh, kind of, kind of got scared, like, you know, like she was, it was as if she was depending on me, like I really needed to be there. You know, and I was just like, Well, can I give you an answer later? And she's like, you know, it's like, whoa. And and then then the threats started happening, like, you want to stay at my house sometime, don't you? And I go, Oh, really? Maybe. Right. So then I just feel into the situation because I, you know, I hadn't really hadn't really dropped into it. It's, you know, I'm just recognizing an energy. Um, and and and a tone, a certain tone was like, it's like uh grippy. It's like you're gonna do this. And if you don't agree to this, I'm in trouble. You know, and that's always a call for love. It's not like I'm uh angry at the person or anything like that. I'm just recognizing, wow, this person is uh and is confused. They think that if I if I don't say yes to this, they're in trouble. Um so uh you know, I dropped into it and I and I go, oh yeah, you know what? Actually, that sounds like a lot of fun. That's something I want to do. I'm gonna do it. And I said, Yeah, I actually I do want to do it. I'm in, right? Um so after the fact, and I was like, okay, I'm in. Um the next day, my mom texted me super early and said, You don't have to go if you don't want to. I don't, I don't really need you to go. Like, I'll be fine. I can uh have a different way of doing uh doing it. Like, oh no, I'm ready. I'm I'm in. I I want to go. Um, so I ended up showing up to that thing. Um, but the energy isn't anything like I'm doing this out of obligation, or I'm doing this so you'll let me stay at your house when I want to stay at your house. Like, you know, like it's a it's some kind of transaction, right? So that energy like it's a transaction, that just isn't present. It's not present. So it's not something that gets, even though I ended up going, it's not something that ends up rolling around like that, like, oh, this is what uh this is what her body is for. This is what I can use her body for. No. Uh and and you know what? It's like I find myself showing up uh whenever you know my mom asks me to show up, she asked me to show up and and I and I just show up. I find myself doing that. But it's not a pressure situation. And at any time I get the sense uh or I'm being called to something else, I just let her know I'm called to something else, and there's no energy that's like afraid of her reaction or afraid of any kind of retaliation, withholding of love, withholding of approval. None of that stuff touches me. Right? So you get to see it's just a game, even the apparent neediness is part of the game, it's part of bringing uh around feelings. So it's like you you know, you train the people in your experience. Hey, I'm not in this game. I see the game, and it's not in a mean way. I don't even have to bring the game to her attention if unless it's called for, you know, and that and that's the thing about it being called for. It's like you just learn to listen. First, you learn to listen to the Holy Spirit, and then you realize you're just listening to a particular tone that resonates with truth. See Aloha Amy. Tomorrow is ACIM deep dive. Yeah, we're doing ACIM deep dive tomorrow. Uh, three o'clock. I guess that would be called mountain time. I'm saying Arizona time because the time doesn't change here like it does with the rest of uh of the country. Arizona and Hawaii, they stay the same time. I'm just saying the same time zone, everyone else changes times. Yeah, but soon I'll be in Washington and that'll be back on Pacific time. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love you. Thank you for joining. I love you so much. So, yeah, um, in case you guys don't know, um I'm traveling around and I'm going wherever people want to host me. So um right now I'm being offered hosting in Bellingham, Washington for six months, where apparently there's a community there as well that's ready for some Hope Johnson action. And that is just so fun to me. I just love that, and that's how it is. You know, if people want me to go to uh wherever they seem to be, basically travel, you know, if you pay for the travel, food, and uh what else? Oh, and give me a place to stay, of course. Give me a place to stay. Um, I'll be happy to come and and live with you and share with you. I love it, it's so fun. And and what I found so far where I've gone, I've uh where I've been invited, and I've gone. Um, one has been my last place in Sedona, and then here with my two Hanai sisters, where you know, I've been invited for people to host me. And people have had and are having amazing transformations, you know, because they're actually inviting me to be there because they want to have deep transformations. And when we join together like this, it is awesome. It is totally awesome. So I'm really happy to do this. It's um, it's such a joy, and you know, totally happy to stay in um Washington for six months, too. Yeah. Kalama, thank you for joining. Just to let you know, I'm coming on tomorrow about an hour and a half earlier than it is right now for ACIM Deep Dive. I think, I think last week when I came on, uh, I think last week when I came on, I also was on this time zone and I was like, where are all my people? Where is everyone? And then everyone started coming an hour later. Um, that's just for right now. So that's today and that's tomorrow. Once I get to Washington, there's gonna be a brand new schedule. So stay tuned for that. Um, I don't mind. I have a question. You don't mind the weather in Washington. Gosh, why would I mind weather anywhere? I mean, I'm not really there for the weather, right? Uh I'm I'm in the present moment. Uh so so the weather in Washington, it can only be perfect for the function that I'm serving. There is no sun, she says. Yeah, I'll be I'll be great. Yeah. Yeah, no, uh, no problem. No problem. Am I used to it? No, I'm not. I'm not used to it. But one thing I know for sure, um, people stay over there over the winter and they have a good ass time. So if anyone can have a good ass time somewhere, it's definitely me. I'm really good at that. That's why I know I won't be bothered by it at all. I've heard from several people who actually stay there in Bellingham, Washington, going, Oh, you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. And I know I will. I mean, you know, I got some really cute warm clothes. That's fun. That's one part of the fun. Extra warm and really cute. It's actually pretty darn cool around here. The weather's pretty cool here, right here, right now. I seem to be in a tank top right now because I'm inside and I have the doors closed for sound reasons. So I have the doors closed, I have the thermostat set to 75. It's come on a couple times since I've been sitting here. The sun is coming right in. So um, yeah, I've been in pretty cool weather. I realize it's gonna get a lot cooler, and yeah, I don't have any problem with it. What keeps me uh warm, spiritually warm, is a community that is loving and open to the message that I'm sharing. That is what very warming to me. So no, I'm not afraid of going uh anywhere as long as uh I'm called there.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I know it's gonna be a joy to share uh with a new community of people. I love that so much. It is just so much fun. Um just seeing the openings, the recognition that occurs, sharing in that recognition. That's why I love so much meeting with all of those women at Venus Energy Center here in Fort Mojave. Loved meeting with them because they're just uh they're they're they're like not sure what the message is. They're open, they're receptive to it, they're having all kinds of insights. It's so beautiful. I really appreciate that. And you know, it's always fun to get back to my peeps that I've been sharing with for a while because the recognition is just so deep. I love it all. I love the new recognition and the recognition that just keeps on going deeper and deeper and recognizing more of who we are, and it does go deeper and deeper. I see some of my friends, one of my sweet friends came on YouTube and said, Hey, hope I'm listening to you again. She stopped listening to me for years. She may have stopped listening to me for about five years or more, right? Uh but I was sure that this is what was necessary. You know, and she'd show up at my house and uh talk about all kinds of delusional things to the point where I'm just like, oh, okay, you know, making illusions true, not wanting to hear that illusions weren't true. It's kind of like, oh, okay, let's have a hug about it. Making things real, idolatrize uh uh idolatizing the body, right? And by that I mean just, you know, freaking out about things that seem to be happening to the body rather than looking at them as an out as an opportunity, right? Rather than looking at them like that. Um, you know, for me, I've always been open. We all have a different um kind of like a trajectory of learning. Nothing is really in a straight line. It kind of uh spirals, it's more like a spiral, but for some of us, it manifests as more steadiness. And in that way, I seem to have that more steady kind of path because I can be informed, hey, that's an illusion. It's like, yeah, it is right. I'm not gonna get protective over it, like, no, it's not an illusion. Um, yeah, if it's not eternal, it's an illusion.

unknown: 1:33:16

Right.

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And I'll be happy to bring it to the truth. And thank you for uh showing me, thank you for reminding me that's an illusion. I don't need to continue on with a thought like that.

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Any thought that hurts.

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Whatever I eat makes me gain weight. I see people that say stuff like that, whatever I eat, it makes me gain weight. Oh, it's not what you eat that makes you gain weight. It's the thought, it's the guilty thought. You're not really eating any food. You're eating, you're consuming thoughts. You're either listening to the ego's thoughts, and that's the kind of consumption that it is, or you're listening to the Holy Spirit's thoughts, and that's lifting you up. Someone is dragging you down, making you you seem like you're powerless, making it seem like things can have power over you, and that you could suffer, and that other people could suffer. See, these are all ego things. People say, Don't you admit that people are okay, don't you admit that people are suffering? Yeah, but no suffering is real, they're suffering in a dream. In my dream. So if I perceive a person suffering, that's a call for compassion that's given first to me. Because a suffering person is projected from my energy field. That's a suffering thought being made manifest. And so if I will embrace that feeling of suffering, I will have compassion right now, and what I have, I extend automatically. See, I don't even have to decide that I'm gonna be compassionate to the person who appears to be suffering. I just decide it's a call for compassion, and so I would be willing to receive that so I can extend it. And what I think I perceive of suffering is not real suffering, it's a projection of suffering thoughts that I've been keeping in secret. Like I don't want to keep them secret anymore. So now the pain is being brought to the light. A friend was sharing with me earlier today about a painful experience she was having. And as she was talking about the painful experience that she was having, I could feel that feeling in my energy field. I could sense the intensity, the heat, you know, the fear, what's being made out, you know, into suffering, what's being made into suffering. In me, it's light and playful because I see what causes it. I notice, I recognize what causes it. I recognize that it's not a threat, it's not a threat to me, and it's not a threat to my friend. And in that, I don't have to run away from it. Now I can embrace it. Oh, wonderful. Another example is a friend, uh, a friend came over one time all flustered, and part of it apparently mad at me for being in the shower at the wrong time, so I couldn't hear his doorbell, and basically just unloads it all in my presence, right? And I say, Oh, okay. And something like, Can I get you a tea? And he's like, Oh, thank you for letting me say all that stuff. Like, yeah, of course. You know, I'm here to feel and to experience my experience. If part of my experience is a person telling me that they're emotionally charged and it's because of me, or in this case, partially because of me, that's the experience. I'm embracing the experience, right? I'm not trying to correct him. My answer was, oh, would you like some tea? Right? Instead of, well, you know, you shouldn't make you shouldn't project your world and pretend like you're not projecting it. That's not the time they need to hear something like that. Watch your energy field because your energy field will show you when there's a moment where uh just holding space is in order and you're experiencing that that feeling effect with them. When they're coming up to you and it seems to be about you, you're experiencing it with them. When they're coming up to you to you and it seems about be about something else, you're also experiencing it with them. No one's negalming you. It's not like that. No one's capable of negebalming you, it's your unconscious mind coming up to be seen and to be met with compassion. Aloha friend, would you define grace, please? Thank you. Hmm, grace. I love all these kinds of words. They're also fun. Cause we give, you know, we use them to label and give definitions. Stuff like that. Let me just see if I can give maybe a light and playful pointing that you could see with your own guide. Okay. Um, by grace are we saved through faith. That's one of uh of the verses in the Bible, right? It's through the grace of God that we're all saved. So I would say in that context, grace is what you've been given when you're created, you're already saved, and that is the grace that it's already done, that it's already complete, and you're just remembering what's true. So by grace are you saved through faith, and it's not by anything that you have done. It's you know, your faith, and you know, you could say your faith that the truth is true, even your hope that the truth is true, it saves you. That's that little bit of willingness. But you have to have faith that the grace is already given. You know, grace can seem very far away when you're making illusions true. Grace is what's already given. You're not doing any playful questions today. Fear is here. Good. Get the feeling effect of that. Okay, so uh back to Glenn's question. Grace, it's already done. You're not separate. That's grace. You haven't separated yourself. You cannot separate yourself. The whole illusion has already been played out, and you're totally fine. You're at home in heaven with God. Grace is given you automatically when you open up to it, open up to the truth of who you are. That is the grace because you know you spent millions of years making it to what it seems to be, and grace cuts that time exceptionally short to the extent that you accept what's true, you're given grace, and you can say mercy as well. There's no need to play out any karma. So fear is here, yeah. Um, one of my friends is sharing that right now that she's not gonna have anything to joke about because fear is here. Fear is an indication that you're believing something against yourself, and that thing is serious to you, it's very serious to you, so it's not a thing where it's like, oh, just get over it. You can get over it temporarily, but that's just pushing it down. You want to feel the effects of the fear and recognize that there are thoughts that are going to be coming across your mind that are saying why the fear is there? What makes the fear justified? See? So you're gonna see those thoughts, and if even if you don't see the thoughts, because there may be such a layer of fear over the unconscious thoughts that you don't see them come up. But even if you don't see them come up come up, just your willingness to recognize that this fearful perception that you're having is based on an untrue thought, that's forgiveness, and that will help you to see. So, you know, from moment to moment, it may appear to be easier and then more difficult to do this. It may seem to be very challenging in certain moments where it feels like it's even too confusing. This is really only confusing to an ego. You're not confused by this. Look, anything fearful that arises has an underlying thought that's not true. Okay. Basically, you want to see that that's the case and it's not caused by anything in the world. Eventually, it could be right away, it could be more. Eventually, you'll see the actual patterns themselves and recognize that those are meaningless patterns. First comes forgiveness. Forgiveness is basically what I'm saying. I'm not fearful for the reason I think I'm fearful because there's an unconscious, unwatched thought that's manifesting now and it's ready to be released. It's actually bringing up whatever circumstance or person or anything like that, it's bringing up the fear that you were not conscious of. So some of the fear, oh, a lot of the fear, um, only comes up when certain events occur. And that's because it's really painful. So you don't want to see it that much. So you got to see it as much as you need to. Right? It's gonna keep on spinning around and coming back, spitting out basically your unconscious mind is spitting out and spinning out experiences that are a vibrational match, meaning that your reaction will likely be a particular response, a particular feeling response. So it's rolling around and spitting out similar experiences. Uh some of them seem very, very different, um, but they're similar in feeling because you're playing this game with a feeling sense. And that's why, in a course in miracles, many of the lessons have something like um, I can accept peace instead of this. The recognizing that you're not uh stuck in the feeling that you're experiencing right now. That's a recognition that I could have peace instead of this, but I'm having this, and you know, to lengthen it a little bit, but I'm having this feeling instead because this is what I want, because I need to see what's keeping me apart from peace in secret. See, so that gives you gratitude for all of your experiences, and not only that, all the players in your experience. You come to love all of the players, including all of the circumstances that arise. Wow, how could it be more perfect? Everyone and everything is totally bringing me a gift.

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Nice.

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She said, Okay, I'll do. Can uh I can have peace instead of this. Yeah, you can employ any lesson you like at any time, and whatever resonates for you. Uh, Jesus said you don't have to learn through pain or suffering. Okay, it okay. How long could it take for this one? Well, in our last ACIM deep dive, we were uh talking about how it took millions of years to wind up to this place for of perception, this uh this mental state where we see a world that seems to be solid and bodies seem to die and all that stuff. It took millions of years. What Jesus was saying through a course in miracles, which came about on the timeline around late 60s, he was saying that the reason why he's coming through like this right now is because we've been making it so it takes even more time to undo what we made. But he's saying don't be disheartened by this because time is under his command. And so it's our willingness that could exponentially what we're talking about collapse time. Okay, the question is just keep telling myself it's not real, just an illusion. Okay. Um, you really want to, yes, this is the willingness. The ego isn't going to say, isn't going to ever say something like this. It's not real. It's an illusion. This is what uh you know, this is coming from your Christ mind. This is the willingness, right? And you know, this isn't in the words, so the ego can still hijack the words and say, this isn't, I've seen people do this actually. This isn't real, it's just an illusion, and I don't know what to do about it, and I'm never gonna know what to do about it. So I'm screwed. But, you know, if you're looking at it in a hopeful way, right, and that this is true hope. This is the true way to use hope. It's not the kind of hope that's the opposite of doubt in the world, right? It's the kind of hope that uh resolves ego doubt about who you are, right? This is where you know true hope comes in. You're telling yourself that uh this is not real, it's only an illusion because your goal is to see through it, and your goal can and will be accomplished. Okay. So I have definitely seen the same kind of words come uh from the ego. Uh, it's just a totally different tone. It's like, ho hum, woe is me. I'm uh I'm imprisoned I'm imprisoned by my mind and I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just stupid. Uh, that's also the ego. The ego will tell you you can't learn a course in miracles. It's too many words, it's too confusing. That's also the ego who says that. But when you and you just offer some hope, I hope that I can learn this, right? Uh, that takes you, you know, in certain instances, that may be all that you can give. I hope that I can learn that this is an illusion that I can actually see through. That may be all the willingness you can give in certain moments. In other moments, you may recognize completely. You're like, oh yeah, this is just like a river running to the ocean. I don't even have a choice in it. The more you recognize you don't even have a choice in it, that this is like uh an unfolding. Your understanding is just an unfolding that actually unfolds quicker when you offer a little willingness and also relax. Don't use any illusions to be justification for your getting anxious or upset or worried about your progress, even right? You don't need to worry about anything really. So deny meaning to those kinds of thoughts. You know, sometimes it gets kind of hairballed because you've got this uh really upset feeling. What the upset feeling is representing to you is thoughts in your mind that can be corrected right now. If you're willing to have those thoughts corrected right now, they will be corrected right now. Whatever thoughts that are causing the manifestation of a fearful feeling, okay? They can and will be corrected, and they can only be corrected now. Right? They can only be corrected now. So, you know, at first you're asking to see, and down the road, after you get practiced at that and your mind gets open more and more, it's just kind of like a knack that you develop that you go right, you click right back into see. Back into, you know, what Glenn is asking about grace. It's like you can consider this grace, Glenn. The effect of seeing that an illusion is meaningless is an energetic shift in your body's energy field from feeling burden to feeling lighter. That's grace. Okay, it's not because of something that you did, it was because of something that you gave. You gave of yourself. You were willing to see, you gave truly. Even what I'm talking about using hope that way, uh, that is giving. Right? That is giving. It's giving to yourself, whatever willingness, whatever little willingness you're able to muster up in the moment. I am willing to have my thoughts corrected now. Beautiful. Yes. And that's a that's a thing an ego is not gonna say. I am willing to have my thoughts corrected now. But you know what the ego will do? It'll come in and say, This isn't working. It is working. Look, notice. And when you say, I am willing to have my thoughts corrected now, recognize the burden in the body's energy field. Look for any kind of opening, uh, even a little bit of movement that seems to be lightening up the energy field at all. Look at it, appreciate it, be thankful for it. Yes, look at it as evidence that this does work and that'll grow. Okay. Yes. Good. Okay, yes, you're you're doing it. Good job. Yes, that's it. So we tend to focus, and we've been taught to focus on things that we don't like rather than things that we do like. So notice where you have a burden and you're asking for relief, basically, you're asking for a correction of the thought. Yep. Yep. Look as it look at it as if it is working. Yes, look at it because it is working, it totally is. You're if you're not seeing it working, keep looking and look for any evidence that it's working and put your attention on that in a way like, thank you. I see that. I'm so glad this works. Don't go along with a thought that says it doesn't work because that will be your manifestation. Your mind is so powerful. Really, truly, you are not asleep, even. You are imagining that you are asleep, and the whole game of awakening is an imaginary game. You're imagining yourself more and more awake as you go, and that's becoming the truth for you until you no longer have any trace of fear in your mind. And that's when you don't see illusions anymore, and you actually see only with the spiritual eye, and only are able to see your true creations. Mm-hmm. So you're saying the brain has been saying it doesn't work, right? Okay, so what you're really saying is the ego is saying it doesn't work. The brain is also in your mind, it is not actually capable of thinking at all. The ego has been saying it doesn't work, and you are learning to not listen to the uh to the ego. So you can prove that it does work right now by taking a thought that says it doesn't work to the truth. See, you just take it to the truth, and you know, I was sharing with some friends earlier today. Don't personalize the ego and make it your ego. It's not your ego, it doesn't belong to you. It's something that you made out of duress, okay, out of extreme fear, actually, uh, to help you run away from the fear that you projected. Okay. It's not uh it's it's not ever touching you, it's not ever touching the truth of who you are. So that's why I changed the languaging. So it's just natural for me to say the ego, not your ego, not my ego, the ego that has an interest in separating us from God and from the truth of being and from one another. Okay. So that's why it's saying it's it doesn't work. That's also an ego thought. So it's like you hold the ego thought, it doesn't work in your body's energy field. Oh, that's an imaginary thought. Of course it works. Show me that it works and let yourself see it because it has to work. There's no question about it. It's your imagination. Okay, it's your imagination. You decide it works and it works. That's how it is. And if you listen to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit only says that it works. If you listen to the ego, the ego only says it doesn't work. None of these are your real thoughts, the, but the Holy Spirit's thoughts are helping you to get in touch with your real thoughts once again by helping you see through illusions that are made by false thinking, meaning thinking that's that against that's not only against you and God and all your brothers and sisters, but you're not even capable of truly thinking these thoughts. 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Yay!