From Blame To Blessing: Ending The War In Your Mind | Wisdom Dialogues @ Bellingham | December 8, 2025

What if the fastest way to peace isn’t more learning, but more willingness? We open with a rain-soaked, cedar-scented snapshot from the Pacific Northwest and then dive straight into the heart of our practice: letting the mind’s patterns reveal themselves without fear, defense, or control. Rather than forcing outcomes, we explore how to live from command—the effortless extension of love that quietly reorganizes perception—while releasing the ego’s compulsion to manage every variable.

We trace a powerful thread through the “I and I” relationship: the aspectless source and the individuated self. When they feel close, life becomes ecstatic, natural, and generous. From that closeness, we revisit world “problems” like killing, climate, and conflict without hardening into blame or superiority. Instead of adding density to dense topics, we reframe them as projections of a secret belief in threat, and let awareness do what willpower never can.

Along the way we unpack people pleasing and guilt, the trap of fantasy, and the myth of private thoughts. We talk about why sickness narratives stick, how symptoms mirror believed guilt, and how gentle responsibility dissolves them without shame. Diet becomes a surprising teacher: no food saves or condemns you, and quantification only tightens the body-concept. Bless your experience, and behavior shifts on its own. We also share how to plan life’s particulars while leaving miracles unplanned, and how ACIM practice can turn into identity if we chase methods instead of choosing forgiveness now.

If you’re ready to trade striving for grace, control for command, and narratives for direct seeing, this conversation will feel like fresh air. Subscribe, share with a friend who overthinks their growth, and leave a review telling us: what story are you done believing?

Chapters

• 0:00 Arrival In The Pacific Northwest
• 2:28 Willingness, Thought Patterns, And Unlearning Fear
• 10:50 Density, Projection, And The Dream Of Threat
• 19:55 True Love Beyond Form And Offense
• 26:30 People Pleasing, Guilt, And Real Forgiveness
• 36:58 Controversy, Blame, Killing, And Compassion
• 46:15 Command Versus Control In Relationships
• 55:40 Fantasy, Private Thoughts, And Miracles
• 1:05:05 Sickness, Symptoms, And Responsibility Of Mind
• 1:15:22 Sleep, Energy, And Undoing Causation Myths
• 1:24:40 Grace, End Of Striving, And ACIM Pitfalls
• 1:34:18 Diet, Quantification, And Blessing Your Food
• 1:46:10 Family Triggers, Pollution, And Non-Vulnerability
• 1:54:25 Announcements And Ways To Engage

Transcript

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Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope Johnson coming to you from Cedro Wooly Washington.

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Cedro.

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Cedro Wooly Washington. So good to be here. Oh my gosh. What is it called? Greater Northwest or what? Pacific Northwest, Pacific Northwest, the Pacific Northwest. I've never been to this area before. And uh it's uh colder than I'm normally used to, of course. It's like in the low 40s right now and misty and rainy, and I love it so much. I just get to hang out in the jacuzzi a bunch. Uh I've had massage, a couple massages since I've got here on Saturday. Um, it's warm. There's a fireplace. Ah, aloha. Oh yeah, Naomi. Nice to see you. I love you. Uh yes, it's just been luxurious. I cannot, oh, I can not even express how grateful I am to be able to uh uh be this kind of experience. It's just the the aroma, the uh essential oil aroma just coming from all the trees whenever I step outside the lake. I'm right on a lake. Just like this, like this photo is right here. Only like I'm way up in the air, like on this photo. Uh here I'm just right at the front of the lake. Yeah, maybe you'll see some photos of it if you follow me. I hang out on the jacuzzi by the lake, and I just got a waterproof case for my phone so I could take pictures from there and also uh write things down that come to me. So, hooray everyone. Thank you, Wayne. So let's get down to it. Wisdom dialogues. What's it about today? You know, the question is like, when are you gonna be done learning something and just be there here, whatever you want to say? Like, when are you gonna be done with that? Well, that is uh entirely up to you. It's a matter of willingness, it's a matter of your willingness. That's where you don't make things out to be uh any kind of problem, like a reflection on you somehow. Whatever it is that seems to arise, you just allow it to be as it is. In that moment, you're done. There's nothing there, there's nothing to do, there's nothing to chase after, there's no striving. Right? There's no uh hankering for experience. You know, thinking that you need a particular experience, any experience in particular. The thing about knowing that you are all of all of it, the whole experience, whatever you experience, you're all of it. You know, just a little bit of direction, a little bit of movement in that direction. Is all you need to build momentum over time, and that's what time is for. Build that momentum of uh thoughts that are true. You know, it's like you're you're always you're always moving as the individuated self. You're always your mind is always moving somewhere. Let it just move into the truth until it stays there, uh you know, it moving around, don't let that be like a reflection on you. It moves around, that's what it does. The mind moves around, it goes on to different subjects. But it's just following a pattern that you put into motion. That's what all those thoughts are, all those moving thoughts are, just following different patterns that you put into motion, and they're revealing to you what's in the unconscious, unwatched mind. They're reflecting beliefs, they're not reflecting on you. See, it's a it's an idea that the thoughts are reflecting on you that makes you afraid to look at them, which then lets it fester in the unconscious and just grow and grow and grow. Like anything that's condemning, anything that wishes anything bad, that seems to be wishing something bad, any kind of heartache or strife or not getting what they want. The ego is like that. These are ego thoughts, they're not your real thoughts, so you don't have to be afraid to look at them. Just noticing that they don't come from truth allows them to unwind and resolve on their own. So you don't have to push anything away because it's a bad thought. Remember, the thoughts that occur to you are reflecting belief that you're not aware of. There's lots of pain underneath the surface of thoughts that you didn't want to be aware of. So the ego helps you by hiding them from you, projecting them outside of yourself. So when you perceive the manifestation of it, you know what to do with it. Recognize it for what it is, don't make it real again.

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Don't make that idea real again.

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Anything that expresses as wishing that something was different or hoping that things stay the same is also accompanied by doubt that that's gonna happen. And that's because that thing that you wished for or that you hoped wouldn't change was never the source of your satisfaction. See, in order to stay in the embrace, so to speak, let's say in close relationship, the way it came to me today was a close relationship between I and I. Like the I that's eternal that has no aspects at all, you would call that God usually, or source or something like that, and then there's the I that's individuated or created by that aspectless source. See, so when those are in really close relationship, there's ecstasy. That's how it is. When they're far apart, like the created uh decides they're never really far apart because they can't be separated. By far apart, that's saying that the created made a decision to believe that they've been forgotten or are being punished, or whatever the story is by the creator abandoned. So when this I and I are in close relationship, that's the true bliss, that's the true union, and that's where we are all together with everyone. We're all in that pure union with one another, and it's through this relationship that we can know our union with one another. It's through the relationship between the source of all, aspectless, desireless, right? You can also say friendless, partnerless. There's no relationship when it's just source, there's no aspects. That's why there's the created, and the created is created like the source, in other words, it's created to be creative and to have its own creations that are not illusions, like the shadow world that's being projected, the world of illusions. See, it's been said many different ways, this is not our world, and you know, it's like, yes, uh, it's a good idea to take care of the world that we seem to have made, yet that all the different ways people seem to go about that, is just making the uh the issue, which is misbelief, more pronounced and making the effects, the world that we perceive, seem more real. The way that we really help it, and that's any kind of problem in the world that we seem to see, whether that's killing or uh climate change or whatever the situation seems to be, famine, whatever. Truly, what it needs is awareness, not making it so real and dense. This uh movement of the mind that I'm talking about is moving toward more freedom, more openness, and that comes with willingness to lay down the ideas that we made. Like we're not looking at a world that makes any sense, but we try to make sense of it, like this is happening because of this, and this is happening because of this, and this is why we have global warming, and you know. But no, it's just really uh it's a it's an effect of a lack of awareness, a shutting out, a a veiling of what's actually true, denial of the truth. You know, a dense world. Let's say let's describe a dense world. A dense world is where there's apparently uh mortal bodies, there's threat of danger. Right, all different kinds of ways. Weather, lava, car accidents, whatever. There's like all these different kinds of ways that Map has this darkness, this density is projected out of a secret belief that a threat can actually be real. So we're faced with thoughts that extrapolate off of that belief every day, all the time. Meanwhile, we're making up all of the apparent threats, even all of the apparent threats that we perceive in the world. And you know, so many of you listen to this, and and uh, and I don't know, maybe you find my voice relaxing or something, but uh uh then you'll then you'll be like, yeah, but this thing over here that's going on, this is really real. And it's like, no, it's still not real. You know, that doesn't mean you can't seemingly do something about it. It's just that in your mind, in your awareness, through your sight, this thing gets revealed as being meaningless. And that's how it actually loses the charge that projects that thing and other things that carrying the same kind of frequency. They're not really there, they're like an apparition coming off of a frequency being projected by an unconscious mind. So it's like uh it's like a ghostly figure. It's been called mist. That's the whole illusory world. It's been called mist. It's nothing, it's all a dream. All the seeming, you know, uh uh love that you seem to share with people in the physical sense does not exist. Only true love exists, only God's love exists. So what's being shared is actually beneath the form that's being perceived. You know, you can have a totally loving interaction with someone who seems to be condemning you. You don't have to like make them see a certain way and make them see that you're actually being loving because a lot of the times people uh can be offended by love, right? They can be offended by truth, they can be offended by knowing their power, they don't want to know their power, they like their illusion, they like the idea that they did not make this up, they like the idea that someone else, less conscious than them, is making the world bad and they know how they should fix it. You know, everyone uh can use more release, everyone can use more relief right now. That's just the bottom line, and it's not up to you to make anyone else get released, it's just up to you in your own energy field to accept what's true for yourself and be released from the thoughts that make tension in your body's energy field. That's exactly what's good for everyone, that's exactly what helps everyone. Let these thoughts just pass away. I love you. Yes, relief be with us. That's right. And you know, that's a difficult thing for people, and it's it's kind of uh plays under this under the surface. It's hard to see for a while, but uh people get really tense and wound up to a point where it's like the way of life, so it's kind of like living in fight or flight all the time, and especially as people get older, because their thoughts will just go to controlling things more and more and more. You know, their thoughts will automatically go there after a while because it's been trained that way to kind of like be vigilant about the world instead of being vigilant for the truth. See, uh the the ego lives in a state that's not relaxed because it's constantly scanning for danger. See, that's why uh that's why, you know, like uh the experience of the orgasm is so relaxing and releasing because for that moment the mind stopped scanning for danger. You know, the sensation gets on building and building and building, and it just dropped. I mean, if you use that symbolically, that's how we actually are, and actually, that is only a symbol of how it is to be in close relationship between the self that's created. And the creator. These are both you, actually. You only okay. I'm gonna talk to you as the creator now. You only created this self that's individualized as in seemingly separate from you and other selves so that you could be in relationship with the creator, your relationship with the other selves that effectively you also created, that's only meant to be an effect of your relationship with the creator. So when you put the created up on any pedestal or down beneath you, you're denying the relationship with the creator because you're not knowing yourself. You're not knowing how this is, you're not knowing the love for you is the same as a love for all. You're not knowing that everyone has access, access to the creator in equal measure. Everyone can hear from the creator because everyone is the creator. You know, it's like there's only one of us. That's the creator. You could say that's the creator, and all the individualized self selves are the created. It's basically really one son with individualized, unlimited creative aspects. See? All fitting together perfectly, all making up the creation perfectly, not one piece is missing. So that idea I've heard lately, and I've heard this uh along my lifetime too, that only certain people are worthy of the kingdom of heaven. And this is not saying uh uh they'll be made worthy. This is all now. It's not like, oh, maybe they'll find their way and eventually be worthy of the kingdom of heaven. You're always talking about yourself, it's always self-talk. So if you want to be free, if you really want freedom, notice which voice is talking. Even if it seems to be talking to another person, it's always self-talk. So notice which voice is talking and basically just back off anything that is unloving toward another person. Notice it and back off of it. Feel it. Let yourself feel it, recognizing it's self-talk. So you you know when you try to convince another person that they're hurtful, that they're in danger, that they can be harmed, anything like that. Remember, you're talking to yourself, you're telling a story, and it's a narrative that runs your life through unconscious projection. And look at this, even not even words that are not spoken, but just what's being thought over and over and over again in the mind. That's what's making up your narrative. None of it's true. And recognizing that it's not true, you know, the narrative just gets really light. Kind of like uh just accentuate is really light. Oh look at that over there. It nothing means anything.

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It's just for fun.

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You know, today Billy and I seem to get into a traffic jam, huh, Billy? Billy just wanted to go one exit. And all of a sudden, the whole freeway stops. Who knows how long we were on that road? One one fro one freeway. Perfect amount of time. So noticing in something like that, uh, you know, for me, is like, man, it doesn't even matter. Like it might seem to matter if uh I seem to be hungry or thirsty, or had to go to the bathroom, right? Yeah. So you know, then the the the focus uh the focus uh on truth is still the same. You just notice the sensations, but it's like, wow, you can see how if you thought you had to be somewhere where this would seem like wow, something is bad, something has gone wrong. I I only wanted to go one exit. How long is this gonna be? A couple of hours, right? All right, Edma May has her hand up. What's happening, Edma May?

SPEAKER_03: 26:24

Hi, can you hear me?

SPEAKER_01: 26:26

I can hear you. It's so fun to hear you too.

SPEAKER_03: 26:29

Awesome. I really love this conversation, it's perfect for me right now. Oh, good. Yeah, so I wanted to say that um I'm such a people pleaser from my childhood. Like I've just been trained to just be a nice person.

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Okay, you have a story there already. Yes, okay. Thank you. You see that, right? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 26:55

So that's funny. I I I can hear it in your voice that you're just smiling and looking at that story and going, oh my gosh, that's adorable.

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Yeah, totally. Yes. Yeah, and it's a it's a pattern that I recognize, and I'm like, okay, this is no longer serving me. Like, so and what I find with myself is that I have I can easily forgive people. Like, I really can make everything meaningless that's happening around me. Right when it comes to myself, yeah, and other people's like possible projections about me, if I did something, like I just like hold it for myself, like this guilty feeling. And so anyway, I'm just noticing that like I'm way harder on myself. Like, I can let things go so easily with other people, but for myself, I'm like, oh, I just like torture myself with it. And yeah, anyway, yeah, I just wanted to say that and have you speak to that.

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Maybe I love it, I love that you said that. That's perfect, yeah. Uh so you say that you have an easier time forgiving other people, but not forgiving yourself. And you know, when I hear that, I see that forgiveness isn't quite seen in the way it's meant to be seen in the first place. Um, because the because the forgiving of other people, you know, it indicates that you're, you know, you're you're going, okay, whatever they seem to have done, everything's in perfect order, every create creation is doing it, anything like that. Is that right?

SPEAKER_03: 28:39

Yeah, like I'm not I'm not bothered. Like I can't, I just let things go. Like I don't hold on to things.

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Okay, so here's the thing in that situation where you get the sense a sense that some other people might project onto you, you don't do the people pleasing, that is unforgiveness. And it's toward them. Because they're involved.

SPEAKER_03: 29:04

Oh, it's towards them.

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Yes, they are involved. So you know, without knowing it, you're thinking, well, I can let them off the hook, but not myself. And you know, you're you're keeping them on the hook. It's a it's a power play, it's a control mechanism.

SPEAKER_03: 29:20

I love this. This is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been gripping with this one. I'm like, okay, yeah. How can I release the guilty feeling in myself?

SPEAKER_02: 29:34

Okay. So you're, you know, you're just recognizing like right now, what we could see is some of the things holding the guilty feeling to you is the story that this originated in time, like in your childhood. Your childhood is also now, it's being projected now. Okay. Uh, what made your childhood appear like that in the first place is the thought of separation that occurs outside of time, and it's also now. So you don't need to uh keep projecting uh like this pattern from the past has any kind of uh impact on you now because you're in complete command right now. And see, that shows you like right in the midst of it, in the midst of your relating like this in this way, it allows you to kind of like pop your head out and go, fuck no, I'm not doing that right now. Just right now, totally right, you're like, Oh, oh, there's a sense that that person's gonna be projecting on me.

SPEAKER_03: 30:42

Oh thank you. I like this, I like this.

SPEAKER_02: 30:52

Yes, yes, all right. You feel complete? Yes, thank you. All right, feel free to raise your hand again. You always got good ones. I even hear people comment about they like Edame. Okay, oh my goodness. Okay, so let's see, what do I do here? I disable talking to get my screen back. Okay, woo! All right, I love you everyone. Thank you so much for joining. Uh I was some somewhat controversial this past week on Facebook. Uh uh sometimes I just get a wild hair up my ass. I know I'm gonna be controversial, and it's okay with me. Um uh it's that something to do with uh oh, uh it has something to do with um vegans and vegetarians, and you know, of course, whatever you want to eat, that's fucking awesome. It just really does not matter one bit. So I'm noticing, uh and really whatever you want to do, anything you want to do, it's it's like you know, it's like really it's awesome. And and also you don't have a choice in it, it's just the program playing out. You might as well love it all up. So uh somehow I seem to be friends with a few militant vegans that think everyone else is doing something bad and uh and fucking things up. Um, so I saw one post about killing, and I was like, wow, yeah, it's just killing is just like stop blaming. And then killing doesn't happen. Like, there's no blame, there's no killing. I was like, that's how it is. Uh that's that's just uh it's like math. We built up all this blame, and now there's all these killings because something has to die, and uh, this is a world based on illusion, and you cannot help but be a murderer in this dream. I mean, maybe you're not going around murdering people in your dream, but you know, it there's like all these apparently really like if you just sat here and breathe, there's all this these apparently that small things, animals, insects, whatever you want to call them, bacteria, whatever, that meet their demise, apparently, because of you. There's no getting out of that. There's no getting out of it, and you know, uh putting these different uh layers and levels on things, like this is good killing, this is bad killing, this is good killing, this is bad killing. The thing is, there's no good and bad like that. There's not there's nothing like that. And the only reason we need like any kind of law like against killing people or something like that is because of not knowing the love that we are. When we know the love that we are, even the killing that seems to occur is more instinctual, like the animals do, and it's not this mental thing. When we bring this mental thing in it and be like, Well, how can I be the better one? It's not like that, because that just makes the problem, the apparent problem, the killing, as if it's real. We know it's not wanted, no killing is wanted, none at all. And in truth, in reality, no killing is necessary at all. But while we're perceiving in a world where there's a sun, in reality, there is no sun in the sky. We are the sun. I mean, in reality, there's no sun in the sky. We're making all the light we seem to see, and all the shadows, too. See, just like the animals, the animals are just instinctual, you know, they don't overkill. Right? They don't overkill, they don't go stalk it up somewhere. Maybe some of them do, but you know, they they know like it's just it, they just it's just instinctual. That's the way uh we can just allow ours to be like that, too, just naturally, you know, but this way of trying to be uh the special, different, whatever. It is a killing vibe and it keeps the whole thing up, it just keeps the whole illusion up. And you know, we don't need to like fix anyone or anything like that or get anyone to believe like this. It's like some people go, oh my gosh, now that we know this, we got to get everyone to see this, we got to get everyone to believe this. No, it's not like that at all. You know, even with me coming out and maybe like doing a post on Facebook or somewhere else, or coming out and talking with you guys like this. Uh, it's just a matter of joy expressing. It's not coming from a need to teach, it's not coming from a need to transform other people. You know, this is how it's uh that this is how it's really uh becomes about an ego gain is trying to get the world to change. It's not like that. The world changes as the mind sees it differently, and the mind sees it differently through allowing this relationship, the only relationship, the true relationship, the reason there's any creation at all. All right, allowing that relationship to to be close, to be close until there's no and until there's no distinction in your mind between the two. Right? Once it gets close enough, you're not making a distinction from one to another. When you're when you're recognizing yay, when you're recognizing that you are that one to which you pray, the prayer changes. But it is a relationship, and that's what to recognize, and you know, all of your apparent relationships that you have with form between form, that's really to allow the relationship of the self that you are, the one without any attributes, the one without any aspects, to extend through you to the other person, to actually extend through you. That's the way of relating. It's not relating as if we're separate, and uh, and what do I get out of this? Right, and how do you know if you have been relating with what do I get out of this? It'll seem like you deserve more.

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We don't get enough of what it is.

SPEAKER_02: 39:02

You don't get enough. Right. Well, you thought the you see, and that's and that's why people make agreements, like I'll give this much if you give this much, which is fine. It's like you, you know, when you're not uh when you're not aware, giving is a transaction because it's all on the surface. See, when you're aware with when you're aware of what's true, uh what you actually give, what you can actually give is forgiveness. That's what you can always, always, always give. And that's where you stop analyzing whether anyone's right or wrong, whether anyone gave uh gave too much or anyone gave too little. That is the forgiveness right there. You just stop going into that thought. See, and and the way you you stop is you recognize that that thought actually hurts. Your mind. So now there's no value in it. See? And let's say I've heard from people doing this too. I've I've recognized this thought hurts my mind, but I'm still going and thinking this thought. Well, that's where compassion comes in. Open up for compassion for that. See? You're totally held and understood in all of these processes, even when it seems like you're weak and you're going into something, right? Fantasy is another one. Fantasy hurts your mind. Don't go into any fantasies. You can, you know, it's like it's like for me, sometimes I'll just notice I'm in a fantasy. I'll be like, okay, it's like sometime in the future, and it's like this, and people are doing this, and it's like this, and they look at you like that, and I'm like, what the fuck? Where am I? And that's as simple. That's that's it's just as simple as that. Nothing's wrong. Nothing's wrong. It's just like, whoa. And then the brakes are on because you're aware that this train of thought actually hurts your mind. So there's no need to follow it. You don't want to narrate your future. You don't want to go back and relive your past. You want to be present right now. But what but but what happens is people don't recognize they're even doing it. This this is the unwatched mind. You know, uh, like for me, I just know that I love to have a juicy good feeling inside of myself. I just love that, right? I love to be like just just feeling super juicy and orgasmic all the time. How can I do that? Right? I guess they have those vibrators that you could wear now. They have a remote control, apparently. No, but how can you do that without a vibrator? Uh because because you know, you know, really the vibrator just doesn't do it. Like there's really truly nothing can satisfy you but your true relationship, the relationship you were created for, you could say you created yourself for.

SPEAKER_04: 42:29

Same way that we're thinking that vibrators are so satisfying and uh there's the market for them. Yeah. So too, uh we use our, but then they just end up feeling annoyed. Yeah, it's like, my god, I'm not gonna hear.

SPEAKER_02: 42:44

And uh so in the same way we're using each other to sort of get that like yeah, you're you're you're talking about with sex, you're using each other to get that like what you get from the vibrator.

SPEAKER_04: 42:58

Yeah, and right, maybe not even sex, but just our relatings with each other, we're using uh to get that like to get some charges, and different it could be different ways, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 43:10

Yeah, it yeah, and and and you know, it is like that before you recognize uh what relating really is, you know, all relating what makes it eternal, what makes our relating true and eternal is the love extended from the aspectless act aspect of yourself, you could say, from your source through the individuated self to everyone. That's the real relationship because the source wants to relate with all of its creation through each of its creations, right? That's how it relates. Uh and and when you're relating is to get something out of it, that's why Jesus talks about in A Course in Miracles, uh, something about uh sexual fantasy being particularly uh hurtful to your mind because it's it's taking bodies and using them for what they are not meant to be used for. They're not meant to be used for you just getting this gratification. We're meant to join. That doesn't mean that you're you're not allowed to have sex or anything like that. You know, it's it's different. Uh the act of it, let's say the act of it is very different than the fantasy. And for most people, the act and the fantasy go together, they're not even really meeting, right? Because it's all about getting, getting, getting, getting. The ego can only take. The ego doesn't give. So here's how you would give like let's say a sexual fantasy arises in your mind. You clearly see that person, and you're clearly using that body for this, and noticing that it hurts your mind, and just noticing that it hurts your mind, that's forgiveness. See, so now you're being generous, now you're giving to that person instead of taking from them. That's the giving, that's the forgiveness. It's recognizing that that thought is a meaningless thought, it's it's just hurtful to your mind and it's not worth pursuing. That's all. And that's really the gift. It's not like you have to feel bad for having hurt a person, right? And you can think of this on the and the same on the same par too. If you seem to be having a sexual fantasy uh uh about someone, it would be just the same as you're having a murderous fantasy about them. Let them let them be free. And this is really how you know you're extending love. This is true communion, actually. We're always in the we're always in communication with each other. So it's like when you wouldn't use another for sin, that's the miracle. Because you know, the reason why it says there's no private thoughts, it's not so you can go around airing all your private thoughts and tell everyone what you're fucking thinking. Okay. The reason it says there's no private thoughts, what it means is that when you're over here thinking you're all alone with a sexual or murderous thought, uh, you're not. You're making all kinds of effects. And you're making effects you don't want. You're just making effects you don't want. So when you allow yourself to be released, actually it's a relief. When you look at it, it's actually a relief. There may be a momentary unwillingness to let go because it's like, no, it's nice right now. Well, that slips to the opposite every time, right? Let yourself be released because whatever good feeling that you seem to be getting out of the fantasy that you're projecting or shitty feelings. Some people are doing it with shitty feelings, you know, uh, to get out of the out of the projection that that feeling is coming from you. You don't really need that projection to have that feeling. It's kind of like a permission slip for you to get that feeling. And the feelings, they become uh more like a nervous system kind of addiction. So let's say thinking about how someone slighted you, right? You know, you're you're like, wow, why am I still thinking that? I've had conversations with people who are like in their 60s thinking back to middle school, how someone said something mean to them, and it'll and the mind will go back there to get that upset feeling again and again because it's a nervous system reaction. Even when Adam Mae was just sharing about you know, being trained as a child to be a people pleaser, there's a there's specific memories that are likely arising where she's getting a certain sensation with that. So you recognize it didn't originate in time, it's all right now. You can stop and get that sensation, feel the effects of believing in separation. So you know you want it to be undone. For the most part, you know, you know, people are not knowing that they want things to be undone. The way you know that you do want certain things to be undone is let yourself feel. Like, oh, that there's no need for that. You know, you only want to feel uh you only want to feel uh joyful in truth when you feel something else. Uh, you know, you gotta let yourself have that experience so you know you don't want to keep it. Right? Is it have that feeling effect experience so that you know that you don't want it? Because you don't want that feeling to be making effects in your world. Right. And and because these effects that you have made out of the feeling are not real at all, they can be changed. And they're changed this way by recognizing that the feeling you're projecting is something that you wouldn't keep and thereby receiving a correction for it. Yes, the world is for giving. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_04: 50:08

Talk about some of that phenomenon lately that I'm being aware of is uh like while we're watching comedy, yes, and uh comedian we driving in the car. I was like, oh, let's put on some comedy, so it's like stand up comedy, and so then the comedian is talking about like oh yeah, like warning people. Don't we if you're not a warning person, you can understand like like oh don't you just hate warning people and you just want to like kill them, you know? And he's talking about where he's down in vivid fantasies about murdering someone who's super cheerful in the morning. Those people are, yeah. So then as a listener to this comedy, um you if you relate to that, then you're like, oh ha ha. And so in a way, you you're feeling like joined, you feel like a union or a joining, uh, because you're all making fun of the same type of person, and that feels like the joining, right? The sense is like, oh, like I'm laughing with other people, and we all agree that we're like each other, yes. Then isn't this so then but that blocks the thing of like oh uh I realize I want that thought undone. You don't realize you actually want that murderous thought undone because you're laughing about with a bunch of other people. So are we like given this thing? We're like we're prolonging the time.

SPEAKER_02: 51:32

It's really what you're making of it. Yeah, see, it's real it really is what you're making of it. Because when someone's going, uh when when someone's going, yeah, I I hate mourning people, you know, those people are just a pain in the ass. I want to like uh do this kind of thing to them. It's like it's like, oh, let it just let it go, let it pass as a meaningless thought, you know. So it's like recognizing meaningless thoughts for anyone, right? It's just notice noticing, oh, that's a meaningless thought. Because it's all coming from our projection. Remember, perception is projection, right? So there's nothing too correct there. You you know, you hear meaningless, uh, meaningless, murderous thought. And you know, for me, I just be glad people are laughing. Laughter is great, right?

SPEAKER_04: 52:20

That whole thing. Sometimes I get like so stressed out about like, oh, we gotta un you know, we gotta undo the we gotta be compressing or collapsing time.

SPEAKER_02: 52:32

No, it's not we though. It's not we, right? It it's only you. That's it. Okay, that's it. It's not it's not a need. I mean, really, I I'm sharing with you guys, I do not need to do this, it's not fucking necessary, except that it's occurring, so it's a hundred percent helpful. So, you know, it's like you don't you you really the Holy Spirit has got this completely uh articulating all of our different interactions with each other. Uh, it's all orchestrated perfectly, no one's gonna be left behind. Uh, it's it's totally for you to be at ease. It's totally dependent on your willingness only, right? So it's full release. Well, you're not waiting for the world to fucking give you permission to be in full release, right? Full freedom. And that's and that's a matter of embracing and enjoying whatever it is that's arising. See, yeah, whatever it is, and that's even any kind of way that you seem to be expressing, even if you seem to be in an argument, it's enjoying and embracing whatever it is. Because nothing touches you, and the more you the more you're willing to do that, the more easeful all of your interactions become, and the more joy you bring. You just keep on bringing more joy to all the situations because you're not carrying a burden, something that says this should go differently. You know, when I just thought this thing about vegans, I just cracked up. I just had to say something because I just thought it was the funniest thing. I'm like, what in the world? You guys, so so uh, so I'm always seeing these things, not always, but for pretty often seeing these things come across whenever I'm on Facebook. Uh, sometimes it's some gory photos of people who eat meat and how worms and different different things like this. Yeah, yeah. So animals in their cages.

SPEAKER_04: 54:45

Oh, isn't it? It was so horrible.

SPEAKER_02: 54:47

Yeah, so so yeah, so uh so I look it up, I ask AI, I'm like, AI, what is the deal with this technology that we're using? Like to go on social media and stuff like that. How many animals are killed? Apparently, way more than anyone's killing anywhere to support to support this technology. So I was just like, what in the world? Okay, vegans, vegetarians who are activists telling everyone how to be compassionate. You guys need to go look up how many fucking animals are killed for you to tell people that shit on social media. Oh, and by the way, don't worry, you haven't done anything wrong, but then again, no one has. Right? It's like puts it into perspective. It's like, wow. Uh, it's like just just noticing anything we try to correct in a physical sense, it makes that thing proliferate. Did you want, oh, did you want less killing? Well, that's why you got more. Yeah, because you didn't take responsibility. That's just, I mean, I'm talking like, you know, that's uh pretty much how it works. It's like it's how much how it works in the mind. It's like the more you're trying to stop something from happening that's not really happening because it's not really there, the more you proliferate it. It's really is a matter of seeing that you don't want your illusions anymore. You just don't want your illusions anymore. That's what's gonna end all the killing once and for all. But there's all kinds of you could say, uh, organisms, animals, whatever you call them, actually meeting their ultimate peril in your dream because of you. Even if you never even moved, you just sat there and breathed. Uh, but you know, what the ego wants to do is turn that into a debate about whether people should be eating meat or uh vegetarian food, or into a debate whether it's possible to be enlightened and eat meat. Oh, yeah, apparently enlightenment is diet-related to a lot of people. That is great stuff right there. It's it's just one more hook. If you can just make your image like this, and you know, it that's why uh it says in the Bible, and so it's been a really common verse for Christians, and um, because there's so much truth to it, it's not by works of righteousness which you have done, but by the grace of God you're saved. So what this is saying is there's uh there's no uh there's no thing you can apparently do in the world with your body, with your diet, with anything that's gonna get you any closer to enlightenment. In fact, it may serve to make it take longer for you because of self-righteousness, judgment, and blame that arises as you're trying to get there in that way. Um, not that you know everything leads to the ultimate awakening, anyways. It's just that we can circle around in illusions for as long as we want.

SPEAKER_00: 58:33

That's our free will.

SPEAKER_02: 58:39

We can just keep on uh keep on circling back to oh, here's another thing that's gonna get me to that place. It's gonna be this. This is this thing's gonna get me closer, and this thing's gonna get me closer. Well, really, what's getting you closer is your intention. There's no thing on the surface that's getting you any closer to your goal. It's your willingness and your intention with that thing that's driving the process forward in the first place.

SPEAKER_00: 59:28

Aloha.

SPEAKER_02: 59:29

Thank you for coming. Yay. Apparently, here uh people like things that happen later. So next starting next, we're gonna be starting at five. I'm gonna go five to seven. I have a well lit room, it's already dark here, so we're doing awesome. Yeah, everyone can still see me online. Yay! Thanks for joining. So, one thing that's Come been coming into my awareness lately is this uh dependency, or sometimes it looks like addiction. Like some of my friends even use that uh uh uh sort of like a shooting heroin, like they they'll hit their arm and go like this, like they're shooting heroin. The truth, the truth. I want it in my veins, right? Uh and and and there's this idea that if you just learn enough, you know, if you just learn enough, then you're gonna be at that place where you finally are. Ah, now I'm free. Now I'm free from everything. Let me see if I can just learn, learn, learn, learn. Okay, another course. Okay. Uh all right, 3,000 bucks over there. Okay, go on a trip over there, go over there and meditate. Stuff like that. There is nothing, nothing, nothing like your willingness right now to just observe whatever is crossing your mind and recognizing that it's just you. There's not anything outside of yourself. It's just like falling into the arms that have always held you. You can say that's the eternal, that's the aspectless uh creator that you are. There's no one outside of that. See? So, this idea that you can somehow get to it through all of this study, you know, like for instance, Course in Miracles. How long is it? One year. Okay, once you got to the end of that, and if you do and and you know what to do, you don't pretend like you don't. Well, maybe you don't. I don't know. It seems like it's pretty clear, right? Forgive your illusions, just forgive your illusions. And it seems here's one place I see people getting caught up for for for for decades, okay, is as if you gotta forgive people in this way, right? It's like as if they're really doing something that's mess that's messing you up. It's like when you have like a blanket over everything, okay, everyone's already forgiven, they're fine, they do not need any forgiveness coming from me. Then you can see what needs to be forgiven is the underlying idea. It may be an idea that you need their approval, right? It may be it may be an idea that if you piss them off, something bad could happen. Right? It's maybe an idea that uh if you don't listen to them, you're going to sabotage yourself. Don't we set people up around us like that? Right? I better do it because they want me to, but really, that's you, man.

SPEAKER_06: 1:03:03

Like, I better get on it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:09

Right. Exactly. I want it, yeah. It's like it's like I want that person to seem like they want something from me. I want that person to act like that, right? It's like I was sharing with with Edame a little bit earlier. It's like, and you're helping them. You're actually helping them. This is the forgiveness, this is the transference of the miracle right here, when it's recognizing you set them up to be like that, right? Because you see how controlling it is of you to have them look like they're controlling you. Right? Maybe it's a boss, right? Maybe it's the IRS. I you know, some people think the government is controlling them in some way, right? If you get the sense that the government is controlling you, you just need to break, you need a breath, you need some fresh air, you need to, you need to relax. That's not true. Right? It doesn't matter what it seems like in the world, that is not true. No one is no one and nothing is controlling you. You are the one always. This is it, this is interesting too. You're always in command of everything, whether you know it or not. If you like the victim story, and you know, some people are making the earth, earth, the victim. Okay, you can't if you make anyone a victim, that's excluding, you're excluding yourself basically from living in ecstasy.

SPEAKER_06: 1:04:55

Anything say that again.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:02

If anything seems to be victimizing you, seems to be controlling you, you're basically preventing yourself from living in ecstasy. There's really nothing here, and you see, you demonstrate this to yourself through your own experiences. So say you get like a scary-looking experience, right? Say it's like a government official saying, Oh, you've done everything wrong. Now I've got you. Now you're cornered, right? And maybe they have it out for you, right? And when you recognize, what is this even for? And it's extending the love that you are, that's all it's even for, then you're not afraid of the outcome anymore. You're not afraid of the outcome of the interacting because it's this closeness of of relationship. It's in this closeness of relationship. Again, for those of you joining uh around four o'clock, it's not just you guys that came in, it's people online too. There's the creator, which is who you are, actually, right? And then there's the creator created, also who you are. But without that relationship, there's no who, there's no relationship, there's nothing going on. That's the reason for the relationship. Your relationship with your source, your closeness with your source, like that in union is what blesses everyone. Not trying to have relationships that are separate from that. And what I mean, what do I mean by not trying to have relationships? This is like where you're just releasing control and regaining command. Command over all particles that are arising in your perception. See, the reason you have command is because you're the creator, you're perfect love. All the particles that you perceive in the perception are made of the same thing. They're not made of the things you seem to see.

SPEAKER_06: 1:07:32

Yes. So, what is the the difference between command and control? What's the distinctions there?

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:40

Control is where you're using logic that you learned in the world and imagining what you want to happen. As far as the arrangement of everything, how people act, and all that kind of stuff, right? But command, you're relating through the love that you are, you're extending the love that you are. That giving, that kind of giving, because it's coming from source through kind of like you could say, the channel of you uh created, right? Uh, and it's blessing you immediately. So everything that you seem to see is also perceived by you as a blessing. See, nothing's out of place, nothing's threatening you, right? And and what you do is you use you use these uh these perceptions that something is threatening to prove to yourself that you're not anything like that, that you're in commit, you're in complete command. And basically, that's uh what you could say, it starts out as like a nod to God. Okay, I must, I must be perceiving an error. I must be perceiving an error right now. I need a different interpretation. You know, at first you might you might ask that and go, whoa, that just seems like no, I don't want a different interpretation. I like the interpretation I have because I could be getting uh hurt right now, and I'm preventing myself from getting hurt. You know, in that case, just recognize that's what you're doing and it'll come back around. It's never gonna stop coming back around until you get the message. There's a message coming through each experience, and it's just gonna keep rolling around until you get that message. Uh but when it comes to learning, all there is to learn is forgiveness. And that's basically, you know, basic way to say it is what I thought happened didn't happen. Right? When like like for instance, what I thought happened in my childhood where I got conditioned to be a people pleaser actually didn't happen. That's freaking awesome. Now I don't have to undo that pattern all the way back there in childhood. It's just right now. It didn't happen. Poof. Exactly. Ego loves programs that take time. Okay, is that that's what the ego is living on, borrowed time. So the ego loves, yeah, get another program, right? Do this. That's right. That's right. It just it's this idea that at some at some point the teaching's just gonna hit you in a certain way where you're just gonna go, oh, that's what it is. But actually, it comes down to your willingness even to perceive you having you encountering a teaching in a certain way where you just go and wake up, right? It's your willingness that even brings you to that experience. No one is doing it for you. It's not like the it's not like the guru of all gurus is gonna become riding in on a white horse and fucking save you. You never know. I mean, I I don't know. That's a good way to have it play out, but that's not the way it that's not where it comes from, right? It doesn't come from outside of yourself. You know, you call it, you manifest it because you want it bad enough where you're you you'll accept the truth over everything that you made true. You'll accept that the truth is true over everything you made true. So I the funniest, uh, funniest perception, uh, hanging out with my family. I was just coming from uh Las Vegas area, Bullhead City, Laughlin area, hanging out with my family. So I'm in Costco with my mom, and it's just like it's a whole funny scene. I mean, she she's got a little dog, she's got to push it in a stroller, so I gotta push the cart for Costco for what? I'm just cracking up. So my sister uh come is there too, and my sister's asking my mom uh you know about something for her eyes or something, and my mom goes, You gotta use the stuff I'm using. And then her voice starts to get louder. And my sister's like, No, but she's fucking with her, right? She's no, uh, I'm not gonna use that. That's some shit. And my mom's like, no, it's not, it works. And they just keep on getting louder and louder, and my sister's totally like, I don't believe it. So I'm just looking at this and I'm like, wow, it's it's like a perfect depiction. You know, my sister's messing with her, but my mom is like really wanting to protect the belief that this particular, I think it was a mascara, has been making her eyelashes longer and thicker, right? So she's like really yelling at my sister's face. You just have to believe this with me, you know, because that's how beliefs are, you know. Or else I won't be able to make this effect on my eyelashes anymore. You know, it is it's just noticing we make all effects. You know, there's certain things that seem to work, and you know, notice this all day long, really. I mean, when when you're uh when you seem to be under the under the weather, you get a drink that's got like maybe lemon and something spicy, and maybe some ginger, maybe some honey, maybe some alcohol, you know, to just like clear the sinuses and stuff like that. It is entirely make-believe. You could do the same thing with a plain ass cup of water or nothing, really. So it's not a matter of you know, rejecting that stuff, it's noticing that nothing is inherently good or bad for you because that's how you keep yourself out of danger, that's how you keep yourself out of this perceived vulnerability to worldly effects, right? And that even includes pollution, right? It even includes pollution. I was uh uh staying in Full Head City, and wow, you could see the air. You could see this air. I'm not kidding, and it's striped, the whole sky's striped, right? It's like there's some really pretty mountains somewhere beyond the thing. Yeah, like some really thick air. Uh so you know, you hear everybody talking about how the pollution has got them having all these problems. And you know, the first thing that comes fucking move, like get in the car and drive somewhere. But you know, it's it's that's just for comedy because no one really has a choice where they are, you know. So so for me, uh, if I start to, you know, feel any dry throat or anything like that, I just recognize right away that's the common belief. It's not uh any reality, it doesn't have any reality. All symptoms, our all symptoms are the same thing as guilt, they're manifestation of a guilty thought. So when the ego hears something like this immediately, it's like uh it feels attacked because sickness is a major tool of the ego. It's like a major, oh, I've got this, even I've got this freaking knee that doesn't work or something like that. Oh, well, that's what happens when you get older. You know, these are things that we make up. And instead of just taking responsibility right now, I'm projecting it right now, right? So it's not that you are guilty, you're not you're not perceiving that you're sick, you're not sick for one. That's not possible. You're not perceiving sickness because you're guilty, it's because you believe you are. That's different. Very different. Yeah. Uh so when you're saying sickness is an effect of guilt, it doesn't mean that you're guilty, but this is how the ego takes it, right? It's like, oh, I oh, I said sin is guilt. I better not let anyone, or uh sickness is guilt, better not let anyone see me. If I get sick, I better go hide. No, it's not like that. It's not like that. It's in your willingness. Remember, it comes down down to willingness. Am I willing to see that this is a defense against what's true and nothing else? Am I just willing to see that? Because this is how we can see and be released from what's held underneath what's consciously available to us. It's like in the unconscious mind. This is how we become aware of it. We see, we can perceive how we're propping up sickness. And here's a really easy way in. This is a really easy way in. You you look at, notice the thoughts that tell you why you got sick. Those are just right there. It's like they're handing to you on a platter. Like it's so obvious. Oh, I I was doing a sport last night and I got too uh too sweaty, and then I got cold, and that's why I'm like this today, for instance. Or I went out last night and I had 30 tequilas, and that's why I can't get out of bed. It doesn't matter. It's not, there's there's no last night. You're just projecting it right now, right? Same thing with sleep. That's where I got the big the biggest opportunity to play with this because I went several years where I barely slept. I slept like four hours, three hours. I just barely even slept, right? And I just come and do a bunch of wisdom dialogues. Usually I was doing like three to five wisdom dialogues a week on this kind of sleep. And uh I just would recognize each time a thought would cross my mind saying that I should be tired, or if I get the sense that I do feel tired, that it's because not only last night I didn't get enough sleep, but I haven't been getting enough sleep for years. So big evidence, yes. So, you know, that's how I was working with it. And you know, I'd come on and do and do wisdom dialogues and just have all this energy and fire. And I'm telling people, you know, yeah, three hours last night, it's been like this. Sometimes it's not at all, you know. Um, and of course, there's these fluctuations come in, come in, like, oh my God, something really bad is happening. Like, what's gonna happen here? But I just kept on bringing everything to the truth, and eventually I just found myself sleeping more, and it seems to be the same. Yeah, it seems to be the same. It's like it's like, oh wow, six hours in a row. Oh interesting.

SPEAKER_06: 1:19:52

No wonder that my eyes are leaving.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:57

Yeah, see, see that that that. What I mean. It's like just it just comes up. It's like that's why this is the reason. And taking all the reasons off of it, but giving all power back to your own mind. My mind makes all of the illusions. My mind narrates every single thing that I perceive. And the way to come into command with everything or knowing your command, because you're always in command, because you are the same as God created you, and you're still creating in creation. That's why you're always in command. Where it seems like you're not in command, that's a distortion. So the way to come back to knowing that you are in command is an embrace of everything, just a full embrace of everything. You exactly as you are, are perfect for entering the kingdom of heaven now. You are perfect for that now. And all that really is is an acceptance of the self you made. That's what's on, you know, it's like unacceptance of this self. It's saying that you're unworthy of God's love. And you're that God that is constantly extending love. You're never withholding it. It's just that the self of form has been programmed to believe that God is separate and those thoughts crossed the mind. And it's just up to you to see their meaninglessness. See? So uh you could say the sense of enlightenment, let's say, and that's just right now, that's a sense where you're in a state that you're not making any thought meaningful. You're just not holding any thought out to be meaningful, any thought in the world. Fear of how something's gonna go, a body condition, uh, anything that that arises is like recognizing it's all okay. As soon as you stop, the solutions start to flow. Even in the apparent world, the solutions flow. Yes, in my defenselessness, my safety lies. Thank you, Glenn. I love you. Always love some Glenn input. Yeah. So not needing anything from the world and not needing to give anything to the world. See, because it the giving comes from the source, and and that's that's also you. It's the aspect of you that has no needs, that knows everything is all right, that knows everything is still as God created everything, and nothing is amiss. So then the sharing is just spontaneous loving, not trying, not trying to get anything to be changed here. It's only the mind that does it, it's it's gonna change. Your behavior is gonna change, it can't help it. Your behavior naturally changes when you see things differently. But if you're focused on your behavior and you're using that to analyze yourself, you're not opening to seeing things differently. That's why a happy learner comes in. That's where you go to. Am I being a happy learner? Or am I trying to analyze myself? Because that's not where the lesson is that you want to learn. That's a lesson you don't want to learn. Because it's basically saying that somehow you can get it wrong. You can ruin yourself, you can make yourself ineligible for the kingdom of heaven. You don't need to wait five minutes to get better at anything. It's just a matter of am I willing right now to see that everything that's holding me back is not one bit true. What about planning? Planning still occurs. Right? One place in A Course in Miracles, Jesus said something like, You can and must plan for the particulars of your life. But you don't need to plan any miracles. Because those are involuntary. See that? So it's like, what is he saying? Planning for the particulars of your life. However, that looks like you got a calendar and you're putting down something on the calendar, let's say. Right? You're guided to go to that thing, that event, maybe. Got it on your calendar. That's that's what it is. Uh, who needs you to do something over there? A point you think they need to learn. Something you need to get across. You know, any kind of thing you want to uh want to accomplish. Let that all just be left to the Holy Spirit. You don't have to try to plan for anything. And let yourself be. I like to be curious and be surprised. And and miracles are they they occur all the time if you let them. They're just separate thoughts, thoughts that are extrapolation of the thought of separation cross your mind all the time, even in interactions and stuff like that. And that's extending the miracle when you're recognizing, oh, that's a meaningless thought. Oh, that's a meaningless thought, oh, that's a meaningless thought.

unknown: 1:26:17

Right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:17

So that's not allowing the ego to come in and make you know, the ego only knows how to in relationship take. Even it's giving, even the ego's giving has an undercurrent. It's like giving to get, right? But that's not where your joy is, that's not where the ecstasy is. It's actually in giving to uplift the one of us that we are, giving to save. That's the true giving. You know, of course, in miracles he talks about giving and receiving, and you know, it's looked at as being a material thing, just like anything. It's like it's like that. It's like, oh, okay, well, if I'm giving this thing, that's that's giving is giving is receiving. Okay, that's just symbolic, though. The true giving is for giving because it's allowing the space for the miracle to extend, you know, and that doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit's not gonna guide you to uh like extend uh money here or gifts over there or anything like that. That's just not the giving and receiving that is being referred to there. That's not it. So it's just like anything, uh any book that you get interested in, um, it could just be misperceived. And especially what I noticed, I got I got to uh experience a Course in Miracles groups. I never got that in all those years on the Big Island like that. You know, I got to experience uh experience some groups and recognizing, okay, what's going on with these groups is it's it's like the whole group is taking it to mean something that says, we're not there yet. You know, the whole group is taking it like that, you know, and taking it in a in a way that's not the uh the way that it's meant. And it seems like the ego just has a really good strong hold on the idea that there's something more to do before I just fall into the arms of grace and be done with needing to learn the next thing. Shit, you're gonna get triggered. Who cares? Nothing's wrong.

unknown: 1:28:50

That's the thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:52

You don't need another process because you got triggered. You do not need any process when you got triggered, embrace it.

SPEAKER_06: 1:29:01

Don't tell me something's wrong, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:05

Right? It's like, oh my god, yeah, yeah. And you know, I tell my friends too, it's like if you guys feel like, oh my god, oh my god, something, send me a note or something. Right? I can get on a call with you a lot of the times. A lot of the you guys, especially if you've been on wisdom dialogues a bunch, you need like two to five minutes. Right? If you want to donate, you can. It's not like, oh, yeah, you know, oh uh, I I I have been uh so in the light. This is what I noticed too. It's with my friends. Oh, I've been so in the light, it's been so great, it's been so rad. Um, okay, that's gonna pass. Uh right. Right? Because you know, it's like something's gonna come up and scare the shit out of you. You know that's a setup, right? Oh man, oh, something's gonna come up and scare the shit out of you any minute. So then the next thing you know, uh that the friend that was just so in the light, all of a sudden they're looking outside of themselves for all these different methods because something came up and something must be wrong with me. So now I need to like find out what's gonna get me back. And it's like, fuck, and then I'll get on the phone with them and be like, fuck, that stuff doesn't mean anything. Just keep going, just keep going forward, right? But this pain, this pain came up, and then so the pain comes up, so then it's like trying to find out metaphorically what it means and dissect it and everything like that. It's like fuck, pain is fear. That's all. You know, it's it's like when you're when you're aware, pain is fear. That means my mind is believing a fearful thought right now and projecting this pain. What do you do if it keeps on persisting? You keep on persisting. My mind is projecting this thought right now. It doesn't matter what medication or anything you think you need to use, it doesn't even matter. You can use it, it's okay. It's all right. Now, I had one friend who got off the medication that way. You know, uh, she was just taking medication preemptively before a headache came, before a migraine came. And uh she told me about it. And I go, Oh, well, you know, that's a permission slip for you not to have a headache when you take that pill. That's really what's going on. Uh no, I need it. And I'm like, well, okay, you know, you can go along with that. So then she took a break from me for a while because it was too triggering to even think about my face. That happens, and then, but then she was like, I don't want to be dependent on these pills anymore. So she didn't take it, the headache came on strong, sleepless night, right? But in her mind, she was applying the truth. It just took a couple days and she was off of those. She didn't need those anymore. Because her in her mind, she was applying the truth. I'm projecting this now. It's really, it's really powerful. Of course, in Miracle says if you use it, it's gonna work. It's just that people don't use it. It's like, no, this is real. No, this is hereditary. We have lots of evidence for this. There's medical records, you know. You know, when you go in, it's been a long time for me since I went in and filled one of those forms out where they ask you about your family and all the shit that they went through, right? Like, or all the things they are going through, and you check it off and stuff. And you know, that is really everything is symbolic, it's just a way to solidify this idea that what you seem to see now has a cause outside of your mind. See, it looks like this, you guys. It looks like you were born like a little baby into a world that was here already.

SPEAKER_06: 1:33:28

True, though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:30

Isn't that funny? It's not true, it is not true. Well, not one bit true. It looks like that, yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you, it's it's convincingly looking like that, right? There's all kinds of history and everything, it's debated, but no, nothing is here until you observe it. I mean, that's even shown in science now. They're nothing here. So it so it's like, you know, it seems like the world is already here, it's already been set up, and then here you come along. No, you had every hand in all of it, you've done out, you've done all of it. You could say you've done it to yourself. Putting yourself in a position as if you're a separate being on a trajectory from birth to death is not being very nice to yourself, right? So none of us have been very nice to ourselves to give ourselves basically a death sentence, right? So you can say what happened is the Holy Spirit repurposed the whole thing to make it training grounds for us to see how to be nicer to ourselves. Right. And that's why this embracing, you don't have any question. There's like for me, there's just no question about whether what I did was fucking awesome. There's just not a question about that. It may not look awesome. I may get the perception that it's not awesome, but I don't believe my perception. That's the thing. I won't believe my perception. That's just right now, and you can see the transformation within your own energy field when you'll allow yourself to be to see that the willingness to see it. There's no possible way. Anything, and I share this with everyone, there's no one left out of this. Anything that you ever perceive yourself doing is one hundred percent helpful for everyone, helpful, a hundred percent. See, just because it's your experience, you having that experience and you being and knowing that you're that experience will make all the transformation that you need, just letting that experience be as it is, it's very powerful uh that you would be able to have any kind of experience at all. Experience requires this relationship between creator and created. There's no experience without the relationship, and there's no relationship without the experience. See that too? They go together, that's right. So uh, so so it's like we're not trying to resist experiences, we also don't need to seek them. We also don't need to seek experience. Seeking is mental. That doesn't mean you can't go, you know what? I would really like uh to hang out with someone who knows how to hike or something like that, and so you like, huh? That would be nice. Just let it be open like that. It's already known what you think you want, but you don't really know. Yes.

SPEAKER_06: 1:37:12

So where does grace play into this?

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:15

That's so fun. I think on my last show, someone asked me the same thing. Okay, so let's let's say it like this grace is just always flowing, right? So it's making it out as if you have to do something. That's why it says by the grace of God you're saved, because it's just always flowing. You are saved, you're saved from all of this. All of the effects you made, they're canceled out as soon as you accept that, right? Uh it's just that covering over the grace is this idea that we have to do something. It's imagining that grace isn't here for me right now, that I can't just fall into, metaphorically speaking, the arms that hold me. Right? Basically, where I am. There's nothing recognizing that there is nothing to do is opening the way to grace. See, forgiveness is really the only kind of doing. It's really not such a doing because it's not trying to um change yourself in any way. It's not striving in any way, it's just recognizing that the thought that you thought was true is not true, that concept is not true, that thing didn't happen, the person didn't do it, that leaves the space for the truth to come through. That leaves the space to the end of striving, too. Because as long as you're perceiving others or yourself as being outside of heaven, you are going to be made to strive. You can't help it. So it's awesome when the striving is turned toward spirituality. You're definitely getting closer, right? And then also the striving seems to take over spirituality because there's it's like there's never an end to learning or something. There's got to be an end to this learning about how to forgive, and then that's it. Right? Is it the end of this? That's enough. I don't need any help. I'm fucking awesome. Right? This idea that the the individual self needs to learn something, that's great. It doesn't need to last. Because once you get it, and I've seen this in an ACIM deep dive over in Sedona, person got it in the first session with me. She had only been studying a course in miracles for a couple months.

unknown: 1:39:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:57

She was like, not and then. It's not like you know, people are way deep in it, like decades in there. And they're still going, I still don't have it. And it's like, okay, that thought that's saying I still don't have it, that one needs to be brought to the truth.

SPEAKER_06: 1:40:15

I've already got it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:18

How can I not know this? Like, how can I not know? It's like really, right? Like right now, this thought says, How can I not know this? Just bring that one to the truth. Keep on taking a step back. Every single thought that comes up, but but you're but you were just cranky last night. Right. None of that means anything. I am that I am. There's no, there's there's no question. There's doesn't need to be a question in your mind about that. The what's questioning it is not you. That's the ego. See, that's what forgiveness is for. Forgive those thoughts that say you're not who you are. And then you don't have to have to live as if you're not who you are. Yep, Glenn, he knows it. He said, I already got it. I wrote the book. Good. Yeah, he's just here for fun. All right. He's not here because he thinks that this is gonna help him wake up more. He's here. It's not like it's not like you stop reading a course in miracles, let's say. I love it. It's fun. It's just that I don't need to learn another thing. The end of the time of learning, that's a thing. There's a time for it, and then it comes to an end. And it could be very quickly. You know, and it here's another thing that I notice with groups practicing a course in miracles, practicing a course in miracles, uh, and the group dynamic and everything like that gets to be the identity. How are you gonna re even relate with these fuckers? When you go back and you're like, I'm the truth. That's how I went in there. Right?

SPEAKER_06: 1:42:24

Yes. So what you're bringing up is what I would call the audacity of being who I am, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:30

Yes, that's right. You got it. Yeah, it's just that it's so gentle, too, and loving. You know, some people might get offended, but if they're around you over time, they're gonna lighten up, they're gonna soften up because it's genuine. You know, at first they might, who the fuck do you think you are? Right? Not needing anything, right? Not needing to learn anything. Not need what are you doing here? Fucking love it. I love you too. Right? So, yeah, everyone wants to hold each other down only because there's uh there's company at that level of consciousness, there's more company, right? That's what I notice. There's more company at that level of comp of consciousness. You can do networking in there, yeah, right. It's like when you when you're at when you're at the level of consciousness that you are, which is a choice, it's only a choice, right? Someone's not more accomplished than another, really. There's not really that much to learn. I mean, a year is actually overkill. Hey, I used overk overkill twice today. How fun. Wow, that's fun. And although the last time was in a different context.

SPEAKER_06: 1:44:15

Eating meat is overkill.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:17

Yeah, no, I I was just no, I wasn't saying that. It was it was it was pretty fun. It's like this idea that, you know, you can actually like live on earth without killing anything. And I'm like, man, you could sit there like a blob all day and you'll be killing millions of little animals all day long just by you, you know, in the apparent in the apparent world. Uh, you know, you can't help it. Everything's just devouring everything else in this world that we made, right? But what I'm saying is, if you're not attaching concepts to it, guilty concept con concepts to it, it's just like animals. You're not overkilling, you're just assuming what it is that's helpful, you know. Really, it's like it's like we only get this perception, and it's all helpful, even if it's a perceived overkill. It's just we get this perception that we've overdone it, done too much, yeah. And that's only an effect of trying to conceptualize everything, right? There's no diet that's gonna save you. I have friends on here with all different kinds of diets. I mean, one of them is uh uh raw meat. You know, he lives in Hawaii, so you just eat cold all the time, right? Raw meat, raw dairy, uh, very low or no vegetables, probably. And then we got the opposite of that, and then we just got all these different ways, and everyone thinks theirs is the best, and they'll get one in one of those in-your-face yelling competitions about it. Right? It just it takes so much, uh, it takes so much pressure off to off of the mind when you just stop worrying about your diet. Just stop worrying about your diet. It doesn't mean anything. The whole reason this whole thing was set up is just so you can be more distracted because consciousness is awakening. It's an awakening. Uh let's say it's an awakening season in the cosmos, so to speak. Uh, so there's all these things being thrown out. One of them is, you know, this conditioning that you know, food affects your body. Right? Isn't that like the common belief? Food affects your body.

SPEAKER_06: 1:46:43

Ice cream will make you fat.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:44

Ice cream will make you fat, right? Something like that. So bring you got to bring those thoughts to the truth. But likewise, there's no food that's healthy. You know, there's only there's only just like what you're experiencing yourself eating, let's say, that's what gets the blessing. Let's be blessed with that. Whatever it is that you seem to be, these ideas that this is a sinful food, stuff like that, you know, that's that's where uh people get themselves into really bad shape, you can say, because it's a belief that certain foods have certain effects. And what I noticed coming up is you had to eat stuff that you didn't like if you wanted a certain shape. I was like, what the fuck kind of world is this? Right? That's when the idea came to me and it it stayed with me. I was only about 17, apparently, and the idea stayed with me. What if whatever you enjoyed eating was totally good for you? Turns out that's the truth. Right? Yeah, yeah. Well, when I was living with my last friend, I was I was making him up, I was, I was uh waking him up to juiciness in eating because I would see him eating and it just looked like it was so conceptual to me, and it just it looked dry and hard, and you know, I didn't have that fullness that I like to experience feeding. So I was like, hey, uh, how about if we uh how about if we get you some full fat dairy uh uh yogurt and cottage cheese? Because he's eating yogurt and cottage cheese, but they're low fat. I'm like, is there a reason why you're you're like taking out the best part of the fucking thing? Like he's like, yeah, because it's got more calories. And I go, you're totally sabotaging yourself. You're totally sabotaging yourself. That's uh that's not how it works. It is not, it's not like uh this is called quantification. Okay, calories in, calories out. Do not fuck around with that, otherwise you're gonna be eating things you don't want to eat. So, you know, introduce this stuff back in. And you know, he's a person who goes to the gym so he'd weigh himself. And he was surprised after about a month of that, he actually weighed less. And I'm like, oh shoot, he weighs himself though. That could be fluctuating. It's just like it's ridiculous. So he's like, he's like, Do you really think at first he was really scared to do any of this stuff? I had ghe with me. I'm like making eggs and ghee and I'm putting uh instead of putting toast in a toaster, I put ghee on it, put on the stove and toast it. Like, you really think this will be okay? And and then uh and then it occurred to him, it just came up in conversation. I've been doing it like 20 years, you know. He's like, he's like thinking I'm just starting and I'm all excited about it. No, uh no, uh, I just drew the line as because I did, I went down all the diet things, right? I tried a whole bunch of different things, and I could be really regimented, which allowed me to prove to myself that it didn't matter. Because I because I couldn't look back and go, oh, well, I'm undisciplined. No, I'm not saying being undisciplined is bad, but for that particular experiment, it came in very handy. Nope, you can't tell me that I didn't do it right because I know I did. They just uh they just really uh they have they do not have the desired effect, and that's because they work off of restriction and quantification. Uh, I heard uh I heard someone say, uh, I think it was publicly, quantification is the devil, you know, and it's like, yeah, that's a really good statement right there. Because the more you quantify, the more like you're making your body into this thing that's totally vulnerable to everything you put in your mouth, the more you do this. And it's not, it's only it's only an effect of your mental. So it's a matter of oh shit, I have no choice in what I eat. When I recognize that I actually don't have a choice in what I eat. Oh my gosh, whatever I seem to be eating, I'm just gonna bless the shit out of it. And and so, and yeah. Literal, right? Yeah, that's it. That's it, and it works too, because all you're really doing is you're recognizing the what is actually true. What's actually true about your body and food is that these are two illusions, like like on a screen, and one illusion does not affect the other illusion. That's not possible. When you see it like that, when you see it through the eyes of reason, literally all effects are canceled out. It's just it just when you when you're willing like that, it's all canceled out. It just doesn't really mean anything. You may seem to get certain effects, certain foods seem to bloat you. Fine. That's always giving you an opportunity. See, I'm not bloated because I ate something. I'm bloated because I'm projecting that I'm bloated and I'm not even actually bloated because it's not the truth about me. The truth about me is totally vital, right? Totally in ecstasy, feeling free, feeling juicy and alive. That's a truth. Whatever else is coming around, that's a distortion, and it needs a change in the mind. It doesn't need a change in the diet, it doesn't need a change in the workout, it doesn't even need a play, change in the place where you live. I was hanging out over there in Bullhead City. And it's and man, it's like it seems like people are affected by the pollution. I'm like, I'm not playing with that. Nothing's nothing's doing anything to me. There's no there's no real pollution, it must be coming from my mind. That doesn't mean I'm not gonna be getting out of there as soon as possible, right? That just occurs, it just rolls. Right? I actually spent three weeks there. It was beautiful, it was so much fun. Oh my gosh. Just being around my family, they're wild. They can bring up some patterns, right? One of them, my sister's telling me, yeah, your body's looking pretty good, but your face, you know. You know, where do you get that? Right? Where else do you get people telling you something like that? Exactly. All right, you guys. I'm coming back in two days, three to five Pacific time, and I'm gonna do an A Course in Miracles Deep Dive at that point. That's Wednesday, this Wednesday, three to five, a course in miracles deep dive. Starting next week, I'm gonna be doing five to seven, and I'm gonna change it to Sunday and Wednesday. If you're on Zoom, you'll be aware. If you're on any of my other platforms, Awakening with Hope on Telegram, um, Facebook, I'm on Facebook, my website. Sometimes I update my calendar there. That's a reminder. Maybe I'll find myself doing that later. Um, hopejohnson.org, go to hopejohnson.org. Uh, if you'd like to donate, uh, I take donations there. I got it set up so you could do monthly donations, even. Um, and then you can also do one-to-ones, book one to one-to-ones. You can get my book over there. And I don't know what else, but it's freaking awesome. Visit hopejohnson.org. And all there. It's yeah, it's all the links are there. There's tons of free stuff. Go under free resources, tons of free stuff. I'm told by my friend Wayne that I have more content on a course in miracles than anyone ever. Okay, I didn't set out to do that, but I just like to flap my jaw. That's the biggest reason. Okay, you guys, I love you. Until next time. Mahalo. Aloha. Yeah, and a hoo-e-ho. Oh, yeah. ACIM daily lessons.

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:35

Thank you, Glenn. I know more are coming. I love you.