Stop Trying to Change Anyone | Wisdom Dialogues at Kehena Beach, HI | June 29, 2026

The moment someone comes at you with blame, jealousy, or anger, your body wants to brace and your mind wants to build a case. We go straight into what happens when you do the opposite: stay open, drop the defense, and let compassion do the work. Laurie T. joins me to share what unfolded in her long-term marriage when her husband “lit out” at her and she simply held space, listened, and refused to fight for her innocence.

From there, we tackle one of the stickiest traps on a spiritual path: trying to use your awakening to get specific people to wake up. We talk about projection, approval-seeking, and why measuring progress by someone else’s behavior keeps you out of peace. I unpack empathy versus compassion, why worry is just fear in disguise, and how forgiveness in A Course in Miracles points to one consistent practice: give everyone their innocence back, including yourself.

We also get into spiritual bypassing, group identity, and why “encouraging people to do better” can hide a judgment that blocks real connection. If you’re navigating relationship conflict, family estrangement, addiction in the family, or you just want a grounded way to live ACIM teachings, this conversation offers a clear next step you can apply today. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs relief, and leave a review with the biggest shift you heard.

Transcript

Welcome And Set Up

SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right. Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope Johnson coming to you from Kehenna Beach Estates on the beautiful big island of Hawaii. Yay! Yay! I'm so happy to be here with you today. So to start out, I'm just gonna introduce Lori and I'm gonna bring Lori on. Lori is the one that I act, I seem to start doing online wisdom dialogues for Lori. Because Lori was always asking me questions on Facebook. I was just posting on Facebook. She was always asking questions and I would end up writing a bunch. And I'm like, I don't want to write this much on Facebook. How about if we just have a conversation? And then we started recording them. I don't know if we recorded them right away. We started recording them and started publishing them. And she's she was with me for a long time. She does her own Sunday show now. She does a live on Facebook every Sunday. And she's kind of similar to me in that she has a really long-term partner. So she's been with her partner since she was 14. And she's a little bit older than me. I forgot, maybe somewhere in her 60s, maybe late 50s, I don't know. And she's she's been going through the same kind of thing that I was going through for many years. Uh she says 62, okay. Going through the same thing as me for many years, where she's on a spiritual path and her partner is not joining her on that. In fact, it look looks really weird to him. You know, it's kind of there's kind of like this, it seems to be conflict. There seems to be like they're butting up against each other. And he's telling her things like she just doesn't care about anything, doesn't care about him, things like that. So she has, I'll let her tell, tell the story about what has transpired lately. And, you know, her and I are similar in that we've we're staying with the same partner, we've been staying with the same partner over time. As, you know, it seems like, what are we even doing with this partner? They're not on the same, uh, they're not on the, they're not on the same, sharing the same interests as us, really. It seems like they're not on the same path because they're not sharing the same interests as far as spiritual evolution, awakening like this, and everything like that. So it ends up it ends up showing itself. So it ends, it ends up revealing itself, and forgiveness always works. Sometimes we don't see it, we don't see its effects for a while. So I'm gonna bring Lori on.

Meeting Lori And The Core Conflict

SPEAKER_01 2:44

All right, Lori. Let me see if I can get you on video.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

If you want to come on video, I promoted you to panelist. Let's see if that works. And then I think I have to ask you to start your video. There.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

There she is. Hi, hi Christine. Hi, Christine's coming over.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

Oh my god, it's been forever since I've seen your face. The last time was down here in Florida, we met at was it Chick-fil-A? No, we met at that ice cream place.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

Didn't we meet there?

SPEAKER_01 3:26

All right, enough of that. Go back over there. We're talking about something for a show. All right, you know how it is. I do know how it is, although Lori, tell us.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

So, okay, so this was it yesterday?

Compassion Under Public Attack

SPEAKER_04 3:49

Yeah, it was yesterday. So I've been lots have been lots has been changing inside. And it happened with a girlfriend recently. Actually, it happened with a stranger, a complete stranger, yelling at me at the Luke Bryant concert a year ago, where she just and I just can't there was zero upset inside.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

Zero. I have felt complete compassion for this stranger who was yelling at me in front of 50 other people, telling me she wished she could spray pepper spray in my face. And I I there was no, okay. So then I'm trying to bring it, asking, show me in my relationship what was the closest people to that was a stranger, right? Which would have got me upset a long time ago, would have ruined the whole concert for me. Because my mind would have been replaying what was said, what I should have said, blah blah blah. None of that. So then recently I was at the Redwood Forest with my girlfriend, and she we were chopping up vegetables and stuff. She was chopping up a squash, and she looks at me and she goes, I stopped to watch her. She goes, Don't you have anything better to do than to watch me do this? And I was like, Oh boy, it came up. A firestorm in my mind came up. All blame blaming her. I would never do that. The minute I hear, I would never do that. I know that that's ego. I know it is. So I walked to the cabin in the dark by myself, and I said, show me. I need to see because I was gonna ruin the rest of my two weeks in California. And the the the the way it played out after that was miraculous. It was just so beautiful, and we got to talk about it. So that was a couple weeks ago.

Facing A Partner’s Anger Without Defense

SPEAKER_04 6:04

Now my husband last yesterday, there was something a charge came on of our our our credit card. Two charges. And I thought it was my sister's charge that got onto mine. We paid ours, and then I it looked like we so I called my brother-in-law up to ask him if that was his if that was seem and he said, No, it doesn't seem like our and Peter just lit out on me. I mean, I mean so I sat well then he left. I said, go, go, go. And then he came back and he sat there and he started explaining how he feels and how I'm not his I'm always having more fun with other people and not with him and all of the projections. And I sat there quietly, nothing was hit, no upset, no, it was miraculous, honestly, in the moment.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

So you've been you've been going through this many times though, over the years, where you've been kind of fielding this energy, right? This kind of like angry, angry energy. You've been feeling feeling this kind of energy, and you've been feeling something, right?

SPEAKER_04 7:35

Well, defend defending would come up.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

You would be defending yourself, yes. So in your body's energy field, you did you feel like a almost like a pushing kind of energy where you wanted to push it away, kind of like, no, no, no, I don't want this. Not this last time, but before. Before, yes. Is that how it was?

SPEAKER_04 7:54

There was that's how it was.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Oh no, no, I don't want this, and then this time, did you notice your energy field being open to it to it?

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Oh, it can't hurt you totally open and compassion, just complete compassion, and as I was letting him spew all this stuff, he came back, he he had to hear himself because I wasn't defending, so he started realizing what he was saying was bullshit. Oh, fun, yeah, because he goes, he goes, it just doesn't seem like you love me anymore. And then he stopped and he goes, Well, I know you do. I know it was so it just was awesome for me. Yeah, I tried to talk about it with him this morning, but he didn't want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

He doesn't want to talk about it, right? Yeah, uh, I mean, uh in my case, my husband did not see until I left the situation.

SPEAKER_04 9:01

Yeah, I know he made an about face the minute you left. Yeah, he went right into a Course in Miracles, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Right. And and and you know, that's that's not up to us, like whether we stay

Love Or Fear Is The Only Choice

SPEAKER_01 9:11

or go. That is not up to us. That's it, that's totally the orchestration of the spirit. We don't make choices in the world at all. We only make the choice between love and fear. So that was one of the things that you know carried me through because I would, you know, there I would get thoughts that would be like, what am I doing with this person? And the Holy Spirit would show me that's not up to you. Just let it, you know, let it play out. You're together with a person, you're close with a person like that because it's the most beneficial. So and no matter what it is, like whether you're splitting up or whatever, it's always orchestrated because it's the most beneficial. So you're just choosing love in the moment. And you know, success isn't really, you can't define success as okay, I was calm that time in my in my body, or I was upset another time in the body. It's really self-compassion, is your embracing yourself in the situation.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

Yeah, that's it, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Like whatever it is. And your embracing mindset is really what's going to teach your mind, which helps everyone else as well.

SPEAKER_04 10:39

It get it it held, it was able to hold space for him to get it out without judgment. Yes, without judgment at all.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

And that's a good way, that's a good way for people to see too what they're saying and what you know what is what are they really after when they're just allowed to express, you know, they're they're allowed to express because you know, you don't have any defensiveness toward whatever it is that's coming out. And and as they're expressing, they can see their own their own words, and we're not in charge of teaching anyone. That's the other thing. We're not, we're not really anyone's teacher, even if we're in the role of teacher, okay. You know, then we're orchestrated in a certain way where we're being a teacher in the field, but still the Holy Spirit is doing the teaching, you can say, through us. So it's not like our responsibility to make them make a change or anything like that. We're using our experience to have the Holy Spirit teach our mind so we can see clearly. Once we're embracing everything and we can feel that in our body's energy field, once we're embracing everything, then things get a lot easier. Okay. But when we're not embracing everything and we notice that we're pushing away, that's just that's also where we just ask for help, you know. And we ask for help, we're gonna get it. It's just that we're not asking for help many of the times, going into confusion, you know, wondering why this is happening, what did we do to make something like this occur and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 12:20

That was it. I used to sit there and things that were coming out, I felt guilt, like I did do something wrong.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

That was a huge thing for me. I've done something wrong through my life.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:35

Like consistently in every situation.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Yeah, well, it's as if something's wrong if you don't have his approval, too. Uh, you know, that's that's something that I notice in my own mind. It's like if I don't have his approval, so then something is wrong. And that changed. That changed from seeing, you know, from go and going through. It's these relationships where we uh we get taught our mind learns through the relationship. So, you know, our mind might move to, uh, I just got to leave this relationship or something like that, but just leave it up to the Holy Spirit so that you're not leaving too soon. That's what I noticed, you know. It was like it was shown to me, it was maybe a year or two before I actually left the relationship. It was shown to me, you need to stay, you're not done yet. Okay, because if we're if we're not done healing whatever needs to be healed, then we have to have the experience again. And who knows how long it might take before we manifest another relationship like that, where we're we're you know, where they're where we're orchestrated together like that and we're bringing up those same those same issues again. See, it's like these issues have to be have to be repeated again. It could be like another 30 years or it could be another lifetime or something like that. So it's like if we want to be on the fast track and see through this as soon as possible, it's listening to the Holy Spirit because if we build up a bunch of animosity, then we then there's no teaching and learning to be had anymore. Then we up we get orchestrated away from each other, anyways, and then we gotta do it again, and it takes that takes time.

SPEAKER_04 14:22

It seems like the animosity as this as I'm having compassion here, yes, that's dissipating any animosity, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

And you don't even mind if you're staying with the person or not. That's what that's what ends up happening. You just don't even mind however you are orchestrated, and then you don't have that anymore. You don't have that animosity. So who knows? You guys could still be going forward together or it could fall away. What I notice is this here's what I notice. Once my mind went to a certain place of awakening, it just was not it was not tolerated, me having relationships with close relationships with people who were closed off. That just does not occur anymore. It just doesn't even occur anymore. I do not have close relationships with people who are closed off. There's just no reason for that, there's no need for that anymore. So it's like up to a point, up to a point, it was useful. And what I was shown was okay, this is still useful. You know, if you if you don't open up to this right now, you know, you could be orchestrated away from the person and it would take you longer to see. Because then it, you know, if the teaching and learning, if the conflict is so heavy that the teaching and learning can't happen, then you're not gonna be together, right? So it's like your mind, and you've been doing an awesome job of this, of course. Your mind has been open to the okay, show me if there's a long time, right? It's like by the time, by the time I finally was leaving Tony, there was no animosity toward him at all. It was completely peaceful toward him, you know. He even asked me, he goes, Have I been a bad husband? I'm like, no, you're a freaking awesome husband. Yeah, you know, I would recommend you to anyone, you know, it's just like you're just not on the same way with me. That's all. Right? It's and it's and it's like that with friends and everything. It's like that just doesn't, it doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore. It did until a certain point, but now what I notice is that just doesn't even transpire where I'm in a close relationship. It's like I don't have apparently I don't have time for that. Yeah, it's like my mind's being used and my and and my my image, you can say this vessel is being used for experiences with people who are open in that kind of way. So I'm not like I'm not finding myself in situations in close in close situations with people like that anymore. Family members included, sisters, whatever, anyone. It just it just is not a not occurring. And I know you had another question. You were you were leaving me a little bit of information on a voicemail about, you know, I want to help these particular people, right? So say it in your own words.

Wanting Loved Ones To Wake Up

SPEAKER_04 17:26

So my sister and her husband are estranged from their son, and I seem to be in the middle of it. Not I mean, just I'm the one that they're both talking to, that they're all you know, and I realized last weekend that I it's not mine. You were you were telling me that I my awakening, my understanding, my is gonna help others, but it isn't.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Okay, good. That's a good question to bring up. Not the ones around. Yay, yeah, okay. So so look, you're looking for the results in the physical about how your your awakening is helping other people, okay. And and you're wanting it to be specific people, you have you have specific people in mind.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

I see the pain, I see the pain their characters are going through. Oh, okay, yeah, on both sides.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

It's like, oh, it's totally a misunderstanding, and so much venom has gone that the uh yeah, so so that where you're seeing it and you're feeling it in your in your body's energy field, that's empathy, that's not quite compassion. That's the little different, right? Yeah, so really what empathy is leading to compassion, it's like a doorway, it's like an opening for it. Yeah. So, so look, not everyone is ready for the message right now. Not everyone is really ready. You're opening the doorway by opening your awareness, but then you're closing it back up and especially closing it for them because you're focusing on them. And why when are they gonna awaken? Why are they still going through pain? All that kind of stuff. You know, you're not looking at it like in a way, in a way like the Holy Spirit has them. It's it nothing is nothing has gone wrong. I mean, I got family members like that too. My daughter is apparently going back on benders again. Remember, she kind of like came came out of that. Well, she's looping back around into that now. She's going on benders again and doing all that kind of shit again. I hear that she's starting to talk shit on me again. So you know, that was like 2019. That was like seven years ago, you're right, right? So if you look at it like that and you and you and you make it like a report card on yourself, that's missing the point. That is not it, right? That is not it. You know, you you just keep on recognizing that's the ego, that's right. So you just keep on recognizing what's actually true. See, you're not entering the peace of God yourself when you're focused on what they're doing, right? Well, how their awakening is going and all of that stuff. You rejoice with the people who are awakening with you. I know you've got people who are awakening with you. I know you've got your own show, and I know you got friends, and I know people have testimony for you letting you know that they're awakening too. Like I celebrate you when you're having when you're telling me what's going on with your husband, where you're finally, you know, I've been through that too. Where, you know, there's there's a a point I told you about, it was probably like 2018 or something like that, where you know, my husband was coming in really angry and yelling and stuff like that, right? And how, and how I had that kind of experience. That's what you're sharing with me now. I had that kind of experience. There was just compassion for him. It's like that's that's that's wonderful. Now, that doesn't mean that he's immediately going to wake up. I mean, really, it took my husband several more years. It was probably like six or seven more years, apparently. Okay. Uh, and then and then when that actually happened, it really wasn't until I was out of there. Okay. It was not until I was out of there. But that doesn't mean that that's the path for everyone. It's just showing that, you know, you when you get that, when you get that experience where you feel the compassion, that's how you know, let that be a sign to you that of your progress. That doesn't necessarily mean that the other person is automatically going to get it right away. And it doesn't mean they're gonna get it in this lifetime, right? It really doesn't. Yeah. So, so just making not making those things. Things matter at all.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Not making them matter at all. Look, you're help, you're helping, you're helping those, you're helping everyone. And the ones that are seeing it now or close to now within the, you know, a couple weeks or a couple months or whatever, they're already having willingness. And you may not know them. You may not see them. Okay, because we're one mind. So when you're picking out particular people, people who are close to you in your experience, you're picking out those people and going, they're not aware yet. This is also why you keep interacting with them. You know, it's like you don't have to have all these interactions with them. You know, like my daughter, for instance, I've been here for like a month and a half or something, maybe two months. I haven't even seen her. There's just no need, there's no reason for the interaction. There's no, you know, I'm not going, I gotta see my daughter or something like that. Of course, I did see one of her friends last night, though, and I and I asked him, hey, when are you coming over to one of my talks? You know, my only hair till whatever. And he said something about his car, and he happens to live with my daughter. And I go, tell my daughter, get her fucking ass go over to wisdom dialogues and bring you too. But you know what? It's like, I don't, I don't mind if they come or not. I don't mind if they show up. I've talked to her a couple times on the phone, and you know, I'm just really like, hey, I hear you sounding like this. What's going on? You know, you sound like you're not, you sound kind of like monotone and you sound different, you know, stuff like that. So it's it's because of the honesty, too. It's like there's there's this, there's this sense like, okay, I don't want to interact with, you know, from her side, okay, I don't want to interact with my mom right now. She's gonna see me in this kind of way, you know, stuff like that. But the Holy Spirit orchestrates everything. So as long as you're clear that everyone's taken care of, and that's how I am, you know, with my any of my family members, they're taken care of by the Holy Spirit. There's nothing for me to do. The most helpful thing I can do is be in compassion about that. And compassion doesn't try to try to manipulate them or make them make them see anything or be anything, or why are you acting like that, or anything like that. It's just like, okay, they go through whatever they need to go through, and then everything brings it back around. Now, as a mom, and also, you know, as a sister or anything like that, you might feel some upset, okay, over it. And if you feel some upset, I'll notice that from time to time too. And what that what goes on with that is just it's given to the Holy Spirit in a way like, I don't know what any of this stuff means, okay. But God's will for you is perfect happiness. So you keep on being happy by bringing anything that's less than grateful to the Holy Spirit. You just keep on doing that and pay attention to the people who are coming to you who are open to you, who are open to your energy, right? And then and then that's how you're you get to share and you get more energy yourself, more energy for having. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

When you talk with I have a new girl on my talks, and when she asks questions and and she gets it, and she's coming back with, I'm like, I I get off that talk and I could fly. Yes, it feels so good. Yes, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Well, that's because that person is is at a certain point of willingness where they can take that. Not everyone in your family can do that, and you're and you're not gonna you're not gonna be interacting with your family members unless you need it.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

There's the thing, see, so so you switch it around from from okay, I want this, I want to help them is coming from the ego.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

It's it's way different from you know, like I was talking about, I was talking about last week, probably, and for years I've been talking about this, where it came to me, the words that came to me was show me how to help heal his heart or their heart, whoever it whoever it is. But that was very sincere. It wasn't coming from the ego because it had to do with the projections that were coming from my mind. It wasn't trying to make him manifest to me a different way, it wasn't how it wasn't trying to make him finally see. It was for my sight because my mind was projecting and I didn't want to hurt him with my projections. You see that?

SPEAKER_04 26:50

Right, yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

That's the thing that you're being helpful with. When you want to stop hurting them with your projections, like as in they're at the wrong place, they shouldn't be like that for some reason, right? Any of those are your projections, and you know, we're talking about giving is receiving. It's like you can't be giving to them, you can't be giving to them while you're projecting onto them. See, right, you cannot be giving giving to them.

SPEAKER_04 27:22

That's a big one.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

So if you're making it, so if you're making like it like you know, you want to change how they are, right? That's projecting onto them.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

Yes, and that's exactly that is exactly what I see though, I see it. That's exactly it. Trying to change how they are, right? Yeah, so they take so they took it as it's their fault. I'm accusing them of it being their fault.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Right, of course. Yes, that's what's going on. So you so it's like it's like you're not being kind to yourself. That's why this giving is receiving. You're

Projection And Giving Innocence Back

SPEAKER_01 28:03

basically giving them their innocence back. You do not see anyone as they are, you don't see them as they are. So it's like, you know, take the idea that you know, my daughter's going on another loop again, right? She's going on another bender kind of loop where she does a lot of cocaine. Okay. You take, you know, take something like that. If I were to make that like she needs to change, that's not that's not giving to her. All right. So the thing is, she's we don't see anyone as they are. What we're all perfectly holy, we're all perfectly innocent. There's nothing to change about us. Okay. And what I notice in my experience, I don't see a bunch of, I haven't seen any of her. It's a little bit on FaceTime. Once in a while, you know, when she's not like way down in the in the dump, she'll once in a while talk to me on FaceTime, you know, and and we'll just talk like like uh like just just regular stuff. What are you doing? Oh yeah, I'm playing with this kind of stuff, this is what I'm into, and stuff like that. No, nothing heavy, you know. Nothing deep, nothing deep, nothing deep, and that's and that's the thing too with people who aren't willing and aren't ready, you know, keep it light, keep it light with them because they don't need it, they don't they don't need us trying to change them, you know. Well, it's it's just like it's just like, hey, whatever you're into, oh you're into talking shit on me. I I love it, you know. I don't bring it up to her or anything. I hear it. I hear it. I'm like, oh, that's coming around again. That's fun. Right. I mean, last time it was last time it was coming around, she was living in the same house as me. It was so funny. One of one of the times she's she was accusing me of being judgmental, you know, she had me stick my finger up her nose because she wanted to show me that there was a hole in her nose. There still is like there's from doing cocaine, there's a hole in the septum. You can like stick your finger right through that thing. And she's like, she's she's like trying to convince me that something's wrong, right? And I was like, no, I okay, I felt up there, you know. I was like, oh yeah, there's a hole there. And and and well, this is really bad, mom. And I was like, well, okay, yeah, I don't I don't see anything wrong though. I mean, it's I don't see anything as problematic. I don't see anything really as problematic. Yeah, I mean, and even if and even if she's not, it's like it's it's like, what do you what do you want? And I asked her, what do you want? Do you want me to get upset over this? And she said, yes. And I say, okay, that's good to know that. I don't feel upset over it though. And so then maybe a few weeks later, she was standing there accusing me of being judgmental because she does a bunch of cocaine. And I could tell she wanted me to be judgmental about doing a lot of cocaine. And I said, Well, do you know what your function is in that when you see me as judgmental? And she's like, What? And I go, forgive me for it. I don't know what I'm doing.

unknown 31:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

And then I just laughed. I was like, Yeah, forgive me for being judgmental. If you're seeing me as judgmental, you know, it's like there's no there's no need for any defensiveness or anything like that. It's like a mom who a mom who has a daughter on cocaine is supposed to be judgmental. That's how the world sees it, you know. And I'm like, no, you're getting whatever you need. And you know, and you know, if there's this self-abuse, another thing that I, you know, I I definitely talked to her about, you know, if you're if you're abusing yourself and you're making holes in your nose and stuff like that, you're basically telling yourself stories that aren't true. That's what's going on. So these things, whatever you're whatever you're made to do, whether it's cocaine or whatever you seem to be doing, that's just bringing you to the truth. That's all it's doing. It's bringing you to the truth. That's just showing you, uh, okay, how am I, how am I not being sweet to myself? How am I being mean to myself? Why am I beating myself up like this? You know, the more you're being mean to yourself and you're being brutal toward yourself, the more you're gonna brutalize yourself in the experience. That's what goes on. And so, you know, like if you're if your family members come and they ask you, you know, they ask you. If they don't ask you, then there's nothing to share. You know, there's been certain instances where my daughter has opened up to ask me something, but if she's not asking me me something, I'm not like trying to shake her and go, come on, you gotta see this, you know. It's like if it's like if you're if you're brutalizing yourself, you're brutalizing yourself in your mind too. And, you know, there seems to be also a lot of like familial programming going on, you know. Her bio father has been brutal to himself in these kinds of ways, too. He really didn't come out of it. Uh, he's doing awesome now, you know. He's like he's he's like in his mid-50s or something like that. He's doing awesome now. And and back in he's always doing awesome. He went to prison for 10 years under a life sentence, actually. While he was in there, he started doing art and stuff and started seeing different things and became like really spiritual in there. Sometimes I would have conversations with him and stuff. Well, that's her bio father, too. So it's like these energies play too, and they show, you know, they they present themselves. And it's like, okay, for some people, they seem to take longer to see, and it may not still be in this lifetime. It's not up to us, though, to try to change people, it's up to us to accept the atonement for ourselves. What is the atonement again? That's recognizing the innocence of everyone, right?

SPEAKER_03 34:05

That's the atonement. Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

And then you don't mind what people do, they could be they could be having any kind of experience that they have, and you're not trying to make them come around. Of course, when my daughter did come around, you know, and but when she was, of course, I'm celebrating with her. I'm always gonna celebrate with anyone, you know. It's like, oh, great. Oh, you see that. Okay, good. That's awesome. And I'm gonna be celebrating with anyone when they're coming around. But when they want to hide and be in that, you know, be in the delusion, then whenever I do find myself interacting with them, I'm just gonna keep it really light.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

I'm not gonna try to go deep with them. I'm not gonna try to show them something, I'm not gonna try to tell them something. You know, once I get the sense, once I get the sense, okay, they're done with kind of with with hearing from me, right? And the wall goes, I back all the way off. And if I see them asking for it again, I'll back completely off. You know, and sometimes that means I'm not hanging out with a person anymore. Sometimes that's what it means. It just it it just shows it, it just presents itself like that. And for me, that's that's great. If whoever's coming around me, that's perfect. Whoever's in my field at the time, those are the perfect people for me. I'm not trying to change them though, if they're in my field and they've got their defenses up. I'm not trying to change them. I'm not trying to bust through those defenses, right? I'm just keeping it really light with them. And you know, they see what they need to see through that because I'm not trying, I'm not challenging them. I'm not trying to make them, I'm not trying to say, and I'll watch myself too. If I'm trying to say anything, I'll watch my uh my energy field because look at we say stuff, we tell stories with ulterior motives. Is there an ulterior motive here? Or am I am I really just listening to the spirit?

SPEAKER_04 36:04

Yeah, is there an agenda?

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Yeah, do I have an agenda to try to teach a person something?

SPEAKER_04 36:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

And that's that's where people really learn the most from hanging out with me, you know. One of my friends, my friend down the road, a newer friend, we've been doing block therapy in his house every day. He's such a sweetie, he lets us use the top floor, you know, of his house. Well, he's sometimes open and sometimes not, sometimes he's not so open. And you know, I can't tell what's going on. I'm just having a good time. My main thing is I'm having a good time. You know, I'm enjoying people, I'm having a good time. And he was gonna shut down his house because he was leaving and he was afraid of liability and stuff like that. And and then he changed his mind. And one day he was gonna do it, and then the next day he wanted to talk to me and he said, I have just learned so much from you. I've learned more from you than I have from anyone ever, and I've only been around you a few weeks, and it's like a surprise to me, total surprise to me, because all I'm doing is having a good ass time, okay? And and for a lot of the times it seems like his walls are up, and I'm all I'm doing is just playing. I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

Just being, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

That's right. That's right. You know, I was talking with some friends yesterday, and and and one of them said, Why is it you know, you walk into a room and the energy just changes? It's like you walk into a room and all of a sudden it's like this change in vibration. I'm like, because I don't want anything from you fuckers. That's why I'm just there to have a good time. I'm not I'm trying to change anyone's mind. I'm not trying to get your attention, I'm not trying to do anything, I'm not trying to get anything. I'm just there to have a good time. And I that doesn't mean that I have to see things happening a certain way for me to have a good time. I'm always having a good time. Wherever I am, that's where the party's at, right? Because that's where I'm allowing, I'm allowing my mind to receive the peace of God all the time. It doesn't matter what's occurring in the field. That's not that doesn't matter. So it's like immediately people don't understand why, but their energy can relax because there's not this draw on them to try to do anything. Be any different, be any different than how they are. Their energy can just relax now, unless they got some projections, but I I do have that too. Like, you know, one of my friends reminded me that, you know, I I said, I said, yeah, I'm awesome, Hope Johnson. I'm not for everyone.

unknown 38:40

Right?

SPEAKER_01 38:41

It's like it's like it's not it's not for everyone, you know. If people are having projections, then they're project, then it's gonna even be increased for them. That's what I noticed. It's gonna even be increased.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see. I was seeing like I went we went out with my sister and brother-in-law to the to a band on Saturday night, and I ended up going to the bathroom, and I met this woman in there, and we just this beautiful conversation. It was just, we didn't end up, other people were going around us to get in the stalls because we just couldn't stop. And then we went to the bathroom, we we were right next to each other, and we were still talking between the and then we get out, she goes, I am so glad I met you. And we get we as we were walking out, she goes, she meets her husband, and he's like, What the hell took you so long? She goes, I met this woman, and he goes, Oh, nice to meet you. What's your name? And I said, Lori, what's your name? And and so the the woman I was talking to, her name was Lori too. Oh fun. It was just a whole when you go somewhere and you make these connections with these people, there's no just because you're being yes, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

Yes, and so and and so you know, when when things come into your mind about like your sister or your husband or someone else in the field who's not getting it, let them be, just leave them alone, right? Let them let them have their experience, and then and then you know it's gonna be pleasant for them too, whenever it's gonna be more pleasant for them when they're around you because you're not trying to get them to change. See, it makes it hard for people to be around you when you're trying to get them to change. Yeah, you know, when you're just you're reflecting, they need they're feeling judged, yeah. Yeah, they're a lot of people are feeling judged anyways. That's usually what's going on. Because they're judging themselves, right? Yeah. I notice my I I notice with my daughter, she she gets a feeling like she's judged, you know, especially now that I don't have a habit of smoking ganja. You know, it's it's kind of like when I had a habit of smoking ganja, I had a habit of smoking spliffs, right? Then I was I I was a little bit more acceptable, right? Because I could because now I've got something. But once, you know, once that occurred, you know, she asked me, she's like, she's like, what well, I wanna, I want to spend the day with you on my birthday, but I'm not sure what we would do. And I go, well, there's plenty of things we can do. And I started listing off certain things. And uh, and then and then, you know, she had a a friend with her in the background, and and she and her friend's like, oh yeah, that's just like a Leo. I happen to be a Leo apparently, to start list listing off things they want to do for your birthday. And I go, well, if you can list off something that doesn't involve doing drugs, then I'm open for it. Anyways, so her birthday comes. I, you know, I happen to be up like when her birthday came, it was like one in the morning or something, and I texted her because I figured she's probably up. I texted her like, hey babe, happy birthday and stuff like that. I don't hear from her for days, right? And so the next time I hear from her, she's like, she's like, yeah, after I talked to you, I just went on a I just went on a bender. And I noticed like a little bit of, you know, because of you, I went on a bender, but I just I didn't even pay any attention to that. Like because of you, because you were talking about not doing any drugs, I had to go on a bender, you know. So it's if you don't know what a bender is, it's like where you you stay up for as many days as you can, continue to do cocaine without sleeping. You kind of go insane on one of those fucking things. I haven't actually done one myself, but I've seen I've seen people, I've been around people where it's like you go all these nights with no sleep, and you're just doing a bunch of cocaine and you're talking all kinds of story. That's usually where all the shit talking comes in, too, where there's a vendor, and then there's like this these imaginary things that are coming up about how bad your mom is, and you know, going around this community where a lot of people uh know me, and most of them, I think most of them like me. That's what I hear. And so then so then there's my daughter on vendors going around talking about, oh yeah, but you don't know this about her, and just like all these kind of stories and stuff like that. And you know, I just have a great time with it. Sometimes people come up to me and worried about her, like actually worried about her, you know, and go, oh, oh my gosh, she's like, uh, what's are you okay? And I'm I'm I'm like, everything's all right. I'm like, she's just kidding. She's just kidding, she doesn't mean any of that.

SPEAKER_04 43:42

That's exactly when Peter was doing spewing all that stuff. He's just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

He's just kidding. Yeah, they always are because they're because they always they're they always love you. Everyone loves you in in truth. And and you know, you know, one thing. That that I really like to go back to in a course in miracles, it says in a course in miracles, you're perfectly unaffected by lack of love. Okay? Whether it's coming from a person to you, you to yourself, right? Or you to another person. Even you to another person. You know, if like like let's say back there I felt like I wasn't loving enough toward a person. Right now, you're perfectly unaffected by that. See, that's how you receive the love of God because there's only now. So that's only a memory, right? When you're you're you're remembering something, you're projecting that now to take you out of the peace of God. So that's why you can experience the peace of God right now, recognizing that you're unaffected by any lack of love. Always, yeah, you always are. It's just your willingness to accept that and to receive that right now and not ruminate over with the thoughts over and over again with the thoughts. And you know, it's like the solutions in the field, they're just shown to you right away, like what you're gonna say, how you're gonna be, anything like that. You know? It's uh it's the innocence, and that's what the atonement is. The atonement is accepting the innocence of everyone right now. All that needs to occur is you need to see things differently. You need to see things through the through the lens of innocence and your home, right?

SPEAKER_04 45:40

That's it. Innocent of you're of this, and and that's why it says we're all that I was shocked when you said that that the group that you're in said that relationships have nothing to do with it. 101 or for a thousand points or whatever. Oh yeah. What it's that's how we're walking each other home.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

It's well, well, here's here's the thing that I've seen though, okay.

Spiritual Bypassing In Study Groups

SPEAKER_01 46:10

ACIM people in Hawaii are very different from ACIM people at other places. You know, I've been I like I've been over to Sedona and stuff like that. And it's it's a lot of spiritual bypassing, is what I see in these groups. And a big part of the spiritual bypassing is bypassing these relationships. So, like, I'll bring up something about relationships, and and and sometimes someone in the group, people in the group will be like, this doesn't have anything to do with ACIM. I'm like, what? Yeah, yeah, it does have everything. Yeah, this is the practical application of what ACIM is talking about. This is actually the practical application is through your relationships. And you know what? I think for the most part that people aren't as well studied at it as they as they think. Uh, I actually had one one woman saying that that no one is supposed to be the teaching ACIM but Jesus. And there's a whole manual for teachers. So I think maybe she missed the manual for teachers. I don't know. It's funny because the whole manual for teachers is about you being a teacher of God. So of course we're gonna, we're gonna all, you know, we're we're gonna all reflect, and it's good for us to be reflecting in our different ways through the different the different particulars of our lives and how our minds are are conditioned because really we're learning through our conditioning. But if we're just you know, we're if we're just bypassing like this, then all we end up all we end up getting is really surface level relationships because you go, you know, you end up being in other in relationships with other ACIM people who are also bypassing. That's what happens, right? And so, like what I noticed when I went into the into these groups, not only is there this bypassing, but there's also holding each other in a s in a certain way where no one can actually receive the peace of God. Because because it's it's like the ego wants to hold everyone back at their like level of consciousness, so no one can actually go, oh, I actually received the peace of God. So like when I went to Sedona, two people caught on. Two people caught on out of the group. It was like it was kind of like they just got plucked out of the group, and you know, one of them, one of them came first, one of them came, and it seemed like she just jumped off a cliff in my wisdom dialogues. It seemed like she just kind of like jumped right off a cliff, like almost like just like this freedom, like, oh, you know, and then she and then and then she told another one, and then she came. But for the most part, the group, the group itself seemed very resistant to me even coming in there, kind of like, what do you and and really suspicious?

SPEAKER_04 49:09

Like, what do you what do you want and stuff, and and you know, and I was like just like bringing a different perspective, you know, and right, but but the ego, if it's got it a certain way, it doesn't want to, it doesn't want something else is gonna be, yeah. What about in Mexico?

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Oh, the egos, I'll talk about that in just a sec. The ego is like really stoked about keeping everyone in in a group. It's like a group think, and it's like we are this is our identity. One woman told me on my on Substack, she made a comment. She's like, I do not hang out. She she loves ACIM, A Course in Miracles. I do not hang out with A Course in Miracles individuals because they are they are just the most judgmental, weird-acting people. It's like B just being an ACIM individual, it gets dogmatic. For one thing, I said, Well, what about what Jesus says right here in chapter two of the of the complete annotated edition? And oh, we don't use that book. And I was like, Oh, really? Why not? Those are the notes that Helen took when she was channeling. You know, that's like all the notes, you know, it's like a the complete annotated, oh, we just don't use that. It was just a complete shutdown on that, whatever, whatever it was. I was talking about it back then when I was doing wisdom dialogues when I was there. Mexico, Mexico was interesting because I would I would come up on the stage and talk. They had a thing every morning, right? And the and the main guy, James Twyman, when he first saw me, for one thing, he thought I was gonna be his life partner or something like that for a second. So he saw me and he's like, oh. And then so he took me out, took me out to breakfast and we started talking. He's like, I definitely want you to be talking tomorrow. So I started, I started talking. Anyways, I told him right away because he took me out for dinner too, and then he wanted to cuddle and stuff like that. I'm like, I am just really not feeling anything like this. Not at all. Okay, so then you know he took that energy away. He's really sweet, he's a really sweet dude. So it was just that he's been hoping for someone to come along to be, and it's a and it's kind of like an older community average age, is like probably in that community 75, right? So I roll in and it's like, oh, here's this spring chicken coming. Maybe she's right. So, so uh so so when I got up, I got up and I, you know, in I go right for the things that people are talking about. And the first thing I notice is they think that, okay, there it's a course in miracles community, and they think it's perfectly fine all day long to be talking shit on President Trump. And I'm like, like, like he's doing something though, like actually he's actually doing something. And I'm like, okay, you guys. So I get up on the stage and I start talking about that. I'm like, okay, you guys, you know, Trump is our brother. He's our fucking brother. Okay, we cannot, you can't hold one person. That's the thing, what a course in miracles teaches you cannot, you cannot hold one person outside of innocence and expect to to be in the peace of God. And that's what we really want. We want to experience that. We want to experience the peace of God. You know, if you're gonna you're you're gonna look at politics and all of a sudden use judgment to say, like, who can really know what he's doing? You don't know, you know nothing. I mean, forget about it. The news is telling you what to think. That's all. No one knows anything. And and that's it's like a course in miracles talks about too taking this aspect, like a part of the of of of reality, you could say, a part of the illusion, an aspect of really of the illusion, and thinking you know the whole. You can't. There's nothing possible to do that. So, anyways, I had like a five-minute talk, something like that, right? Oh man, people got triggered at me.

SPEAKER_04 53:19

Yeah, when you bring in politics, especially Trump, I know it, but it was just totally acceptable.

SPEAKER_01 53:26

Like every uh everyone judge him as a job. It looks like it looks like everyone agrees, okay? Because it looks like everyone agrees, because if you don't agree, you're just shutting the fuck up.

unknown 53:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Because otherwise they're gonna jump on you because it's like mob mentality, right? It's like exactly it's like you're a murderer, too, if you uh have anything different to say. Well, I had something completely different to say, I'm not on any side of the political thing, I don't have any any care about that at all. What I see is what what I see is disparaging a brother, you know, it's like you're making him out to be a victimizer. You're making all the people that he's that he's victimizing into something, right? You're making you're not giving them their their innocence, you're not handing them their chalice of atonement, right? If you're making it so that he's doing something to them, it so so it it's it doesn't do anything to anyone except it it's except it prevents you from entering the peace of God, right? It prevents you from that. So if I'm up there talking, that's what I'm talking about, because that's what's coming up, right? But it was kind of like, oh, you you know, some people, but some people were like, some people were like right on. It was like, you know, there were some some people that would come up to me after I talked, they'd be like, you say more in five minutes than we hear in this whole fucking thing that they put on, right? You say more in five minutes. It actually allows me to open my mind and receive the peace of God, right? Because there's all this nice talk, nice talk, nice talk, and Trump's an asshole. And then everyone's like, yeah, woo! Right, right, and it's like, man, that's really where you're giving your forgiveness opportunity. So that was like that was a big thing. That was a big one of the big things that I noticed in Mexico. There were that there were definitely some people who appreciated it. Definitely it was more like a smaller handful of people. And then, you know, there's definitely people getting getting triggered, you know.

SPEAKER_04 55:38

Which is perfect.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Oh, yeah, it was perfect. So I would, I would go up there and talk, and then and then I just moved away. I moved to my own place, and I, and then when James was asking me to come back and talk, and you know, I just I just said, no, I'm not gonna come back and talk anymore. I'm just gonna do my own talks four times uh two times a week. I was doing a talk, two times a week I was doing block therapy. That's where I had most of the people from that community because I was I was showing them, you know, like how to use blocks and stuff like that. Oops, I'm not allowed to say block therapy. I got a seasoned assist from block therapy while I was there. What's that? A seasoned assist? Oh, it's because I was I was uh having blocks made in Mexico and then I was I made flyers and it said block party. I didn't say block therapy, but I said block party and and totally free, totally free. I had a donation bold. People would leave me donations, but I didn't have like a suggested donation or anything. So they sent it's a legal thing where they sent me a season to this, otherwise they're gonna sue me. Block therapy. And and I just yeah, I just sent them a note back and let him know I'm within fair use because I don't charge and it's just community stuff. Yeah. And and and to let me know, also let me know if they have any, you know, if they have any flyer that seems like I'm violating anything to just present it to me. And they didn't they didn't get back with me on that. But that's where it was interesting because you know, I've shared how block therapy is kind of like the somatic version of what I'm talking about with opening up your body's energy field to receive the guidance and to stop resisting life, right? So I would have these people who couldn't take it. Some people were resistant for just from the general community, resistant to a course in miracles because they had been around a course in miracles

Mexico Stories And Political Triggers

SPEAKER_01 57:27

people and they thought they were assholes, right? So so then they find out I'm a I'm a Course in Miracles teacher and they they like me, but they don't want to hear about a course in miracles, right? So I take them and that and I I covered my floor with puzzle mat from Amazon. I could buy it there, cover my floor floor with puzzle mat, and I'd have all these people laying on the floor. That's like that's how yeah, yeah, and that and and that's how I got to interact with them at doing block therapy. And you know, of course I'd share stuff with them, not like mentioning a course in miracles or anything, but just being who I am. And I'm sharing, you know, how to get these releases and why it's good to get released and be released from pain and relax and stuff like that. And you know, I'd share about how when I first went on my spiritual path, I didn't really know where I was going or what was going on. I just knew I needed to be on a spiritual path. And the spirit was informing me that I could always relax more. That was the information I was getting. I was getting, you can always relax more. So I don't need to be tense about anything, right? And so when block therapy came into the picture, it was like, oh, this is the somatic version of what the spirit has been showing me, where I'm actually I'm addressing pain that I'm not aware of, right? It's bringing up pain that I'm not aware of, not consciously aware of it. Tony's blocking right now. He's he's on the floor here with a block. Oh, that was another thing when I was when I was with him. He didn't even like block therapy. He was like, fuck that stuff. What are you doing? Laying around on a block. No, he's always on a block. But it brings up pain that we're not aware of and lets us be consciously aware of in a in a space that's comfortable and relaxing. So it's not like you're torturing yourself, you're just encouraging yourself to release this pain, right? So the people were so two times a week I had that. The other two times a week I was speaking. Two people showed up when I was speaking. It was the block therapy where I had all the people showing up, but it was two people would show up while I'm speaking. And, you know, those two people were like super grateful for it. Eventually, it was like three or four, something like that. And then also there's a there was a regular, every day of the week, Monday through Friday, a Course in Miracles lesson that was done in a room there. And that person went on vacation. So then I was asked by someone if I would do the Course in Miracles lesson. Well, I already had events all week, but I took two of them two times a week. I would go in there to do the lesson. And I have some of them recorded too. And and and you know, it's just like the person who asked me to do it, he's like, this is just way deeper. It's like taking it to a completely different level than what we uh than what we have when we have our regular person who's doing a course in miracles in here, right? And it's just like it's just like, well, you know, there's a certain way to open up to it, and it's a way of relaxation. It's a way of you stop, you know, you stop trying to make it make sense, but you look at it in a way, okay, we're being asked to relax more. We're being asked to receive the peace of God, and then we can really see what it means. You know, when we when we see that God's will for us is perfect happiness, we can go past the the judgmental interpretation that the ego is making, which is why these a Course in Miracles individuals, like they want to be, you know, a Course in Miracles person, like you know what I mean. They want to identify as that, right? Are are projecting like kind of like this judgmental vibe because they're seeing a course in miracles as being judgmental, and it goes along with Christian culture. Christian culture is very judgmental, so that's the way we've been conditioned, anyways, to see things in that way. It kind of makes me think of because I came from the non-dual genre when you and I started talking, and I was like, I wasn't even on a Course in Miracles uh very much, I was just checking it out at that time, you know? I was just checking that stuff out.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:03

I remember that's what my questions were coming from.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

I I would just yeah, so but I found myself judgmental against you because well, especially when I started diving into a course in miracles, the more I started diving into a course in miracles and I start gradually bringing it up in my talks, people would be judgmental toward me about going on a course in miracles. Yeah, totally. It was fun. Yeah, and you know, and you know, I talked about this earlier too. It's like uh it's like you can't really get a perception of someone judging you, like you can see, okay, that's a that's that's a judgment right there. That's a judgment, but you don't really feel like, oh, I'm being judged. You know, you don't get that sense, I'm being judged, unless you're trying to judge it. So that's what I that's what I noticed a long time ago. And I'm like, it doesn't, it's not personal, it doesn't have anything to do with me. It's just that people still believe they can judge. And you know, that's another thing that a course in miracles teaches, too. You're not capable of judging.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:11

Okay, we need to talk about I that uh what we're not capable. Okay, not capable of judgment. Who we are isn't capable, it's just the mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

Yeah, well, well, because in order to judge, you would have to know everything. Uh, and and from these limited perspectives, you're not knowing everything. And so if it's a negative judgment, the only jud true judgment is that God's son is innocent. That's the only two true judgment, okay? That's a judgment of the Holy Spirit, you can say, and that's what judgment day is all about. Judgment day is all about, you know, God's son is innocent. That's the final judgment, right? Because all things are known. So taking taking something out of the illusion, like that just parts of the illusion and thinking you can judge it, you're not judging, you're misinterpreting. That's a different thing, right? Right? You may believe that you are judging, but you're actually just misinterpreting because you don't have you don't have all of the information. You can't possibly have all of the information. So your mind isn't your mind isn't created to judge, and the only reason judgment is necessary, you know, the final judgment is is necessary that God's son is innocent, right? Is because we thought we could judge, and that's why the final judgment is even necessary. But the mind, your mind has not been created to judge at all. The only reason why we have the Holy Spirit is because we thought we separated from reality. The Holy Spirit is actually an illusion. You don't need the Holy Spirit in truth. You only need a Holy Spirit in the illusion because you forgot the truth, right? Right, and and you're trying to hide from the truth. So that's that's really, you know, the Holy Spirit is is to show us the way back to wholeness, and that's the judgment, is that God's son is innocent. So anything else, and when and when people seem to be judging me and stuff like that, I don't take it like that. Yeah, I I just see that's just cute, you know, that they think they for they think they can judge, and it's like they don't know what they're doing. Of course, forgiveness is automatic. That's why Jesus said, do this in remembrance of me.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

Or forgive them for they know not what they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:43

That's right. Yes, that's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:46

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

Yeah, it's not, you know, it's not like the churches uh the churches took it as do this in remembrance of me means to pretend like you're eating Jesus' body and drinking his blood.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

He's like, I was not talking about cannibalism.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:03

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

He's talking about forgiveness. Right?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:09

I'm wondering about the people in Mexico who were judging Trump. So that whole line, forgive them for they know not what they do, doesn't register.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

It fell on deaf ears. Totally. Yes, it fell on deaf ears. And then and then the the the leader of the group, James Twyman, who, you know, I was I was having I was sharing a breakfast with him and I was talking with him about this stuff. I was like, I was like, man, you know, it's like either you're doing a Course in Miracles in the most radical way, or you're just using it like any other religion, and it's and it's making you become dogmatic, you know. And I was, I was, I was talking with him. Here's what I see in your in in your group right away. Here's some of the things that I see, you know. Do they actually want it want to do these things? And and he's like, okay, I love it. I want to be like that. But then it came to he didn't really want to be like that because he's got people paying him to live there, and they're not, they're probably not gonna want to live there. You know, they're they're just like a retirement community. First, this was the only A Course in Miracles community that I could find in the world. And I went there. That's why I went to Mexico. That was my reasoning for going to Mexico, apparently. Only a Course in Miracles community in the world. I mean, people always go, well, what about David Hoffmeister? I go, that's not a community, that's actually a cult. There's a difference. But this was a community, right? Where it's like ACIM, but it's not really because there's there are people that don't really want to learn ACIM. They just want to be in a, they want to be with people that are spiritual minded and stuff like that. They don't really want to learn ACIM. So eventually it was just like, okay, I'm not gonna try to come in here and do ACIM with people who don't want to do it. But but you know, there was a small group that was coming when I was just doing Thursday and Friday, and they were so they were just like, wow, wow, I didn't see the freedom in that, the total freedom in that. And it's not, it's it's not that it's hard. It's just that it's just that there's a there's this attachment to keeping the to keeping our judgments, you can say it's keeping, you know, we want keeping what we think we know, yes, what we think we know about the world, right and wrong, and that, and you know, that was what's that tree of knowledge. Tony said, tree of knowledge, yeah. That's and and you know, that brings me going on a segue right now because that brings me to the post I did

Good And Evil As A Trap

SPEAKER_01 1:08:56

today. It's about the knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, and I was talking with one of my friends about this, you know. One of my it came up on a Facebook post that I saw, and it was talking about how, you know, if you're doing if you're using AI to do your art, you're basically feeding an evil system. And I'm like, oh, you see, AI is not something neutral, then you see it is something that's that's this. She's like, Well, aren't we supposed to judge between good and evil? Something like that. Isn't that what we learned? And I go, yeah, that is what we learned.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:31

Then we need to unlearn it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

That's the ego's thought system right there. That uh it's as if there's actually we're we're supposed to be judging between good and evil and then rejecting what's evil, right? So, so it's like this this tree of knowledge. This is in the book of Genesis, and it seems like you know, this is falling on deaf ears, too. It's in the book of Genesis where the snake is actually like, hey, if you eat this apple, right, you're gonna be like God because you're gonna know the difference between good and evil. And that was the whole thing that in the story got them kicked out of the Garden of Eden. Well, you know, Jesus came back and reinterpreted that and said, you know, they didn't get kicked out of the Garden of Eden, they kicked themselves out due to guilt. Because what happens is once you take that bite of that apple that makes you know, think you know the difference between good and evil, you're suffering. And, you know, the Garden of Eden was a metter metaphor for being in the peace of God. So they didn't allow themselves to be in the peace of God, they kick themselves out because whenever you project evil, that projection doesn't leave your mind. Your mind automatically believes that you're evil, you cannot rest. See that they're they're just not people are not resting because they want to hold on to their ideas of what's right and wrong, and it's like it's also like a course in miracles says, you cannot keep it that way, you can't keep things that way and also be in the peace of God, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:14

You can't keep it the way you want it and also be in the peace of God, and it's so that seems so real. I mean, right? It seems so simple.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:29

It seems simple, but to an ego, the ego just wants to complicate it. The other thing is it's it's the it's about the evil the ego is about saving the world, right? It's about saving the planet. That's a big one, okay? That was one of the things that turned me off from one spiritual teacher way back, way early when I started out. I read the I read one of his books. I was like, wow, that is such a good book, you know. It's like all about, oh now, right? And then the second book was about changing the earth.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

And I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:03

A new earth.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:05

Okay, you know, you know what I'm talking about. So so it's like it, it's like, okay, that's where that's where the ego comes in. A lot of the times the intention is really good. It's like, okay, it's so it's so simple because it's now, it's just now receiving the peace of God now, being in the awareness, being in the present now. And then the ego sneaks in. It's got like, okay, well, now that you have all these followers, you need to tell them how to change the earth. And that's when it becomes something completely different. We're not we're not here to change the earth or make it better. It's not bad. It's just reflecting. There's nothing wrong with it. We're here to embrace what is, right? Because there isn't anything wrong with it. The teachings that are telling you that something's wrong with it, that's that's a distraction. And you know, perhaps these teachers that are teaching this, perhaps they started out with, oh wow, and they found it, and they found the peace of God. And then it's that tiny mad idea to again saying you're separate, saying you're important now. You're important to the or you're important to the world, you're important to the earth, you're gonna help the earth. And I was talking about the Illuminati, right? I was saying in our framework, we have the we have people who believe that it's helpful to control everyone's perception. And they basically pay these guys who are their their, they become their spiritual teachers. They become the the, I don't know if it's 1% or whatever it is, the people who believe that they benefit from managing everyone else's perceptions and they control the media and the entertainment and the sports and all the things, right? They also control spiritual teachers because that that is it's all set up to confuse. And a big part of that confusing confusion is that we need to save the earth. As soon as you hear that, you know that it is a distraction, it's distortion. And people get real high and mighty and thinking that they're important to save the earth. And you know, one thing I share with people too, it's like it's like, how can I be so carefree and everything be like a cosmic joke to me and also just be so happy all the time? I'm not important. There's nothing for me to do. I'm not even important as a spiritual teacher. Nothing. There's nothing for me to do. There's no, there's no earth. There's no, I'm telling you guys, it's a projection. There is no earth the way we see it. There is nothing here that needs us to improve it. Okay. The whole reason we're manifesting an earth in the first place is because we wanted to feel like we're important. We wanted to feel like we're separate and important and special. Okay. So it's manifesting as if we can do that by you know saving something, save the whales, stop drunk driving, right? You get in a group, a group of people that are that that are doing something for the world, doing something for the earth. How can how can you be plain anymore? You lost your innocence then. You in, you know, in your mind, your innocence never really lost. You can you can return to it any moment. Any moment. You can just realize, ah, ah, I'm home. I don't have to do any, there's nothing for me to do here. Or not, that's what it means by we're not human doings. You know, people say that, but don't really be that, right? You know, or waiting for other people. I was talking to some girls yesterday and they were talking about how the men don't get it. And I go, it's not up to the men to get it. The men don't get that we're goddesses. I'm like, it is not up to the men to get it, though. Like, okay, if you if you recognize, okay, I'm I'm meant to receive, okay, that's all of us. We're meant to receive. Okay, how do you receive? You give. How do you give? You hand them back their innocence. Don't make it because you know you could see how how hard that is on us when we're making it like they're not doing what they should be doing for us. Then it's hard on us. We're we're feeling, we're feeling like that. Okay, maybe there is, maybe, maybe there is. I'm not gonna argue with it because it seems to be maybe there is this thing where they're like the uh most men-bodied people are are meant to be the more of like the the husbands, giver, givers, caretakers, stuff like that. The women are supposed to be more of the receivers. Okay, well, if that's the case, if that's how we see it, then let's just be that instead of in instead of trying to make them do something different. Let's just be that. Let's just be nurturing. How do you be nurturing? You recognize their innocence now. Just now. Be in the peace of God now. That's what's contagious, right? That's what's really, you know, that's what really like people who want that and they want to be in peace and they see you being in peace, then that's the thing. But it's like we have it set up so that it's like women have to do all this work, right? We have women have to do all this work to be equal with men. We have set it up like this, and we we can just change that in any moment. Just but like, no, I'm not, I don't need to be like that right now. I'm just in the peace of God, and it's just right now, right? It's just right now. It's like, oh, and people uh maybe people do something to you and you're just like receptive. You're just like, oh, thank you, or they don't do something for you, and you bring that to the truth instead of projecting onto them. Save them your projections, right? How do you help heal their heart? Save them from your projecting mind. That's all. As if they should be doing something different.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:06

Yeah, I'm going to be going up to Lady's house. Remember, remember the last time we talked about the knife? I I used the wrong knife.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:18

And that was when it started with the I'm doing it wrong. That's what it is. So I'm going to be up there. She's flying me up in Canada next month. And we'll see. Yeah. It's gonna be I obviously I'm meant the you found yourself saying yes. I found myself, and I can't believe it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:46

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, just go in open hearted. Oh, you're open hearted to yourself, whatever reactions are arising and letting them be seen. Yes, yeah, just letting them be seen. Let people have their interpretations. Yeah, it's I found it, you know, when I went and lived with a person for four months who was very reactive, I just found it so wonderful. I really enjoyed it. That was right before I left the island last year. I was spending four months with someone who was very reactive. And it was just I it was just wonderful. It really was. I just like watch just watching my mind and not letting myself go into any kind of projection. Blame. But yeah, by just by just bringing everything right away. It's like when I went in there, I knew the person is reactive.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:35

So this one is very, very reactive.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:38

That's gonna be beautiful. All right, let me let me look at this question from Amy

Worry About Your Child In Real Time

SPEAKER_01 1:19:42

here. Maybe it's a question. She's saying, I love the concept of being totally free from the concern of worst-case scenarios with your daughter. Yeah, I want that freedom with my son. I have to admit, I seem to have a hard time not worrying in real time. Okay, so when you find yourself worrying, that's where the embrace comes in, Amy. I'm glad you're still with me. When you find yourself worrying, that's what's giving you the opportunity right there. Because basically, you're you're going into arrogance when you're worrying, because you're thinking that there's something that you could do differently instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to just use whatever the circumstances are. And now the Holy Spirit is orchestrating everything perfectly and can use all of your experiences, everything as it is. For Amy's situation, her son is not talking to her, okay? And this is this is like something I've I've been around not too much in person with this family, but you know, I've been, I've seen them on Facebook. They post a lot and they're very family-oriented. Where, you know, especially, especially her husband, her husband, Nael, you know, he's talking about, you know, how a great father is like this, and families are like this, and sons are like this, and it and then, and then it comes to, oh, now he's not talking to her. And so it can feel like really like, you know, incredible, incredibly painful. And I could see how the worry can come up and stuff like that, but this is really giving us opportunities to to lay down the identity that we made because we only have one identity, and that's in Christ. Like we are Christ, okay, himself. That's one thing Jesus wanted us to know when a remote viewer went in and remote viewed Jesus, okay, and was talking to Jesus. That was one of the main things he wanted us to know. He's like, You are me. Quit looking at me like I'm separate from you. You are me. I am not the man, Jesus, and you are not the woman, let's say, Amy, okay? You are Christ, okay. So when you look at it like that, it's like, what need would there be for worry? And you can see worry as coming up as like as something that's foreign. You know, one lesson that we did on one of these Tuesdays was I am at home. Fear is the stranger here. Worry is an aspect of fear. Anything less than gratitude is an aspect of fear. It's it's just, it's just, you could just put it all in the same bucket and call it fear. So fear is the stranger here. Worry is the stranger here. You are Christ. And here comes this ridiculous idea of worry into your mind, right? Now, when you're identified with worry, what do you need in that moment? Compassion. You need compassion. So, in that, you would embrace your self of form that believes worry is somehow helpful right now. See that? So it's not, it's not rejecting yourself for being in worry, it's embracing your self-form right now who believes that worry is somehow helpful. Who would do that but Christ? See? And that's how you demonstrate to yourself that you are in fact Christ because you have embraced your own self in the midst of worry, not making it wrong, okay? And it's the same thing like I'm talking about, I was talking about with the the guys in Mexico, guys and girls in Mexico with the Trump thing. It's like, and I would tell them them this too, it's not to make you wrong for projecting onto Trump. It's like in that moment, you actually need compassion because you are actually attacking yourself, okay, is what's going on. So it's not a judgmental thing like you shouldn't worry, you shouldn't project, all that kind of stuff. It's like you need compassion. But in the moment, if you don't want to recognize that you do need compassion, you're just gonna continually attack your mind, okay? So, so that's that's also not wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just a different kind of ACIM group. It's an ACIM group where everyone's grouping around attacking their own mind. And and and and saying we're ACIM, we attack our own, and that and not recognizing they attack their own mind, right? It's the same way with worry and you know, speaking of groups, it's like other mothers would group around with you too and exchange worry stories, right? It's the same kind of thing where, oh yeah, I'm worried about my kid because of this, I'm worried about my kid because of this, right? How does compassion show up and gratitude even when appearing appearances are dysfunctional? Okay, so yeah. So you're you're you're saying that if a if a son isn't talking to you, or let's say if a daughter is doing a bunch of cocaine, it appears as if it's dysfunctional. So we're not gonna deny that, yes, in the illusion, it definitely is showing up as dysfunctional. We're not trying to try to paint it as something pretty, it's showing up as dysfunctional. So compassion, that's looking at what's going on with your mind in the moment. Okay. What's going on? Here's worry. What is justifying worry? Notice the thoughts that are arising that are justifying worry. Notice that that one of the teachings is there is no justification for worry. There's no justification for any upset feeling. Okay, there's just no justification for it. All right. So recognizing that, that's not to make you guilty, but there are thoughts that are crossing your mind that are actually justifying the worry, justifying the lack of compassion. So each one of those, you know, you become really focused and aware of what is justifying it. Bring each one of those to the truth. You're probably gonna ask, how do you bring that thought to the truth? Okay. You recognize that thought is crossing your mind and you ask for a different interpretation because what's happening is you're automatically believing the thoughts that justify why you're upset as if those thoughts are true. One of my friends, give you a real simple idea, a simple example. One of my friends said, Hope, I've been really tired lately. What does it mean? I go, it doesn't mean anything. I go, don't make anything of it. You're making something of it is making you tired. See? So you're justifying this upset, this worry about it. So you're just making a story about it that's making you feel upset. See what I'm saying? So each one of those thoughts is actually right for forgiveness. That's what forgiveness really is. It's not about forgiving a person, it's about forgiving the idea that this that that this justification makes any sense. It actually makes no sense. When you see that it makes no sense, you're immediately relieved, you're immediately uplifted. Okay, gratitude. So gratitude comes in also when you're willing to recognize that they are just showing you the contents of your mind. You're not seeing anything as it is. None of this shit is happening. All they're doing is showing you the contents of your mind. So that's why the Son of God, and that's any human, is deserving of nothing less than gratitude from you. Okay. So you're recognizing they deserve nothing less than gratitude. And you're asking for to for for your mind to be shown how to do that in the moment. When you're asking for that, you're given it. That's why, and Amy knows the Bible really well. She grew up in the same cult as me, right? And you guys heard me say cult. A couple times, so I'll just give a definition of what I mean when I say cult. A cult is where there's one charismatic leader and they make all the rules that everyone else follows. That's it. That's all I'm saying. Okay. It's like there's and you know, there's certain groups, uh, groups like that that I see, like uh David Hoffmeister's group like that. I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just that's what it is. One person, they tell everyone what they're doing, what the group is doing, and everyone follows them. That's how we grew up. It's called the children of God. We had David Berg, he was the cult leader, he told us what to do, what to think, all that kind of stuff. And yeah, so she's she's familiar with the Bible. And, you know, in the Bible, it talks about how, you know, ingratitude hurts you. You know, you know, Jesus is asking for gratitude. So uh so with your with your kids and anything else that's going on, it's like these appearances that are being shown to you, they're showing you the contents of your own mind only. Okay, ask me if you have any more questions about that. And then Akahi is on and he says, I get it that the world doesn't need changing. Okay, and Lori, I'm gonna let you go now. You're still on, but you're not on the panel, okay? Thank you. That way I got the whole I got the whole reading. Thank you. I love you. Thank you for coming on. I appreciate you so much. Thank you. Yay, yay, let me see. It's been a while since I've done this. Change role to attendee. All right, yay.

Why “Help Them Do Better” Backfires

SPEAKER_01 1:29:32

Okay, so we still have Lori and she's still on as a as an attendee. Let's see. So I get it that the world doesn't need changing, not so much as wanting to change the world. Can't we influence and encourage others to do better? Okay, so see, that's the ego again. That's the ego coming in again. There's no others that need to do better. All others need from you is for you to see. That's what they need. They need you to see their innocence, let's say, which is your innocence, because we're one mind. That's really how we help each other. That's really how we uplift each other. I was just talking about how there's a spiritual teacher that I saw, and it's and you know, very popular, a very popular spiritual teacher saying that love is getting some, I forgot how he put it. Encouraging, probably the same word you're using. Maybe you saw that post. Encouraging other people to be better. He was saying that's what love is. It's encouraging other people to do better. These are your exact words here, okay? This is that sneaky thing. This is that sneaky thought. How's that uplifting for them if you have determined that they're not doing it good enough? And you think you know how you could do how they could do better. You're not seeing them clearly. You're you're just not seeing we can't be seeing anyone clearly. When we enter the peace of God, in the moment we enter this the peace of God, which is where I like to live all the time, we see everyone clearly that they don't need any improvement. That's how we see them clearly. They don't need any improvement, they're perfect as they are. Okay, so whenever we think that they could do better, we are not seeing them clearly. And in fact, that's a self-reflection, Akahi. It's saying that you could do better. And I bet you, I bet you there are there are times and maybe all the time where you're thinking you can do better. And what I'm saying to you is that you're not seeing yourself clearly either. You are perfect, you're holy, you're not anything removed from how God created you. See, here's the ego's trick. First, you're created perfect in the image of God, as it uh, you know, as the saying goes, in the image of God, in the likeness of God, you're created perfect. And then you thought you changed yourself. And so once you thought you changed yourself, you fell from grace, apparently. And now you got to change yourself back, and that's where all the work comes in. Or you have now you have to change yourself back to the way God, you gotta somehow get back to the way God created you, okay? You don't need to get back to the way God created you because you have never changed, and that's why it says so many times, over and over again, one of the lessons is I'm not a body, I'm free, I'm still as God created me. That could be a mantra. You know, speaking of mantra, Ekahi likes to go to mantra, right? A mantra that that I hear, you know, they're saying what the mantra is, and you can you can bring this. It can you imagine putting words to that? I'm not a body, I'm free, I'm still as God created. I mean, putting music to that, put their little wah wah wah wah wah, whatever it is. I'm not a body, I'm free, I'm still as God created me. I don't know, however, you guys want to sing it, but you know, singing about Ganesha being the being the bringer of obstacles and the remover of obstacles, that takes all responsibility away from your mind. It's as if there's this God. That's why they call them false gods in the Bible, okay? Because there's these gods that we're setting up in the field and we're saying they're responsible for our obstacles. They're bringing the obstacles on and they're also taking them away. And people are singing this shit, okay? And it sounds good and it feels good, and they're singing this and they're and they're basically training their mind to think that the solution is outside of themselves. It's actually within yourself. If you're willing to recognize that you are still as God created you, nothing has changed, you don't need anything. You don't, you don't need, you don't need any more obstacles. You don't, you know, you don't even have an obstacle, right? And you're aware that you are as God created you, you know that none of these obstacles, there are no obstacles. All of my problems have been solved, right? There's just no obstacle at all. I I see no obstacles in my perception. I see zero obstacles. There's no obstacles to anything because the peace of God is here now. Whatever's unfolding in the whatever's unfolding in the field, it's it's not how could it be an obstacle? How can anything in the field possibly be an obstacle to my peace, right? So the reason they're called false gods is because they keep you constantly looping and wishing for that something different is gonna happen. So am I gonna get better? I'm gonna do better. At some point, I'm gonna do better. At some point, I'm gonna deserve to be uh receiving the peace of God. For and they don't they don't say it like that. That that might be you know considered something that they want, don't want to don't want to invite in when they're when they're singing these kinds of these kinds of songs to these various gods. That's why there's a ton of gods, okay? They're all like doing different things, they're all having different roles and stuff like that. And most of the most of the world is into that. I mean, they got that going on in India. I'm sure when I go to Sri Lanka, I'm gonna see a shitload of that, right? But that's why it says in the Bible that God is a jealous God. You should have no other gods before him. You know, this is not really such a judgmental thing as it seems. You know, they're using words as symbols to depict something. It's not that God's actually jealous. It's just that when you put these gods, these little, they're little gods, they're little gods. They're not the other, they're not the one God, they're little gods before God. What you're doing is confusing yourself and you're believing. And what do you want to bet? Ask everyone who goes who goes to mantra, ask the whole mantra group, what do you want to bet? They all think they can do better. I bet you. Okay, just ask. I bet you they all think they could do better. And they would all they would also have a problem, most likely. There maybe be one or two. There usually are about one or two in the group that wouldn't have a problem with hearing you haven't changed from the way you were created. There's nothing you could do better. All that needs to happen here is you need to see your holiness. When you see your holiness, then you recognize all these things you're seeing singing about, singing about the elements. The elements have no power. You are higher than all of these things. You are higher than all of these gods that you've projected and that you're singing to, and you're acting like they're higher than you. All the the elements, the directions, praying to the directions, all this kind of stuff. You are higher than all of those things, okay? And I know this is I I know this can be triggering for people. I understand, okay. I hear this, I hear this. I actually was at a Sunday Funday yesterday at the festival at the lawn, and one woman told me, Oh, you're Hope Johnson. I heard about you. I heard not listen not to listen to you. I heard not to listen to you because you're saying that everything comes from my mind. I go, and and I and I go, yeah, that's right. And everything that I go, you don't have to listen to me, it's good. And she goes, Well, I'm I was just thinking that. I was like, yeah, no one needs to listen to me. But but she goes, Yeah, that woman who said it to me, she was so triggered. She's like, it actually had the opposite effect on me. I immediately thought, she must know. Hope Johnson must know. She's like, I'm really happy to meet you. Right? So is so that's the thing. I don't care about being ousted from any community or anything like that. I'm just I'm just telling the truth. I'm just, I'm just, I'm here to tell the truth. I'm like the mouthpiece for the truth. And also, apparently, I don't mind if people get triggered with me. So I just say the thing. I say the thing. That's what it is. It's it's these these gods that you guys are are projecting as if they have power over you. Do not. You have all the power, and you're giving your power away to something that's lesser than you. So they they're not they're not even a reality. They're not these aren't even a reality. They're totally make-believe. Okay, just like the directions, just like the elements, the water, the fire, all that, that's coming out of our mind. This is a projection. Earth is a projection. It's not really here. It's not really flat or round. It's not really here. It's projected out of our mind. It's projected so that we're given time to return to what we actually are. Okay. And that return, it involves our willingness to see what we actually are. You're, you know, when you're hanging out with groups of people all singing together and all uh agreeing that we need to do better, that we need to help the earth and all this other stuff, you're getting into a certain mindfuck idea here. You're getting like it's like a mind fuck group where everyone is screwing themselves over, using each other to screw themselves over with these ideas that we're not there yet. That's another one. We're not there yet is an arrogant thought. It's a totally arrogant thought. What do you mean you're not there yet? You never left the kingdom of heaven. You have not left. There has not been a separation. The separation is false. All that all that needs to take place is accepting the reality. It's just accepting what's actually here. Okay. Lori was great. Yes, I agree, Margaret. I love it. Thank you, Lori, for coming on. That was really awesome. Thank you for telling your story. And and you know, it's good testimony too that it takes, you know, it can it can take the time. Time is under the Holy Spirit's the Holy Spirit's command, you can say. And it does tend to take time, okay? For me, I was I was looking at this from all these different angles for 10 years. So it does seem to take time, but what else are you gonna do? You know, what else are you gonna do those 10 years? You know, this be in conflict, right? Just your willingness, your consistent willingness that grows. It's always met with more and you're given more willingness. It keeps on growing until it's so strong that you're just always in the peace of God and you're always helping. Oh, I got a bunch of comments over here on Facebook. Okay, let's see. Oh, Brittany, thank you. Chris, I needed to hear that personally just now. Okay, good. That was about an hour ago. Thank you, Chris. Uh I can relate to that guy. Okay, there was a guy an hour ago, okay. And he says, I'm so guilty of that. Well, you know, the guilty thought is not is is not true, but I see I see what you're saying. It's just that, you know, there's really not anything guilty about you. You're just misperceiving, and that can be corrected in any instant. Paul says, Would you ask if there are any listeners? Oh, yes, if there's any listeners to to any of these wisdom dialogues, of course in miracles, anything like that. If you ever if you hear, if you hear this at any time, there's someone in Toronto who wants to meet you if you're in the area. His name is Paul, and is he he goes by Paul Fabulous, and he'd love to meet you. So just reach out to me and I'll put you two in touch. If you're in the Toronto, Canada area, he would like to fellowship with you. Isn't that so fun? He lives there and he says it would be awesome to connect. All right, that would be fun if we had maybe some kind of page where people who listen to wisdom dialogues and ACIM deep dives with Hope Johnson can connect with each other all over the place. But for now, we got, you know, I'll I'll just connect you guys if there's anyone listening in the Toronto area and would like to hang out with Paul. So yeah. Yay. Yeah, so that's part of the idea that we know the difference between good and evil, too, thinking that we know how people can get better. Okay, here's part of the con the comment, too. Let me just go back to the beginning of this part of the comment. So much as wanting to change the world, can't we influence and encourage others to do better? Yes, through the ego's guidance, we certainly can. Encourage them to be more compassionate. Yeah, okay, this is how we can we encourage them to be more compassionate. We be more compassionate. Empathy is not compassion, empathy is a doorway to compassion. Empathy is of the world. Empathy is empathy, is saying that there is justification for the way someone feels. There's no justification for that. That's why come that's where compassion comes in. And it's compassion for yourself and you know, and you know, wanting others to be more compassionate, more unconditionally love-minded. Yeah, the way we help them is by doing that ourselves, Akahi. That's how we that's how we show them, that's why we demonstrate it to our own mind, and then that's at that's automatically being shared. So we're being more compassionate when we recognize the thought that they could be doing better. Okay? The thought that they could be doing it better, they could be more compassionate, they shouldn't have that energy. And you know, that's why I seem to get along with people so easily. You know, one of my friends who comes to block therapy is pretty bitchy all the time. You know, she complains the whole day when she's in there. Pretty much. Complains the whole day. And you know what she tells me? She says, You know what? The reason I'm showing up is because I like to be around you. And I'm like, thanks for coming. I freaking love it. I love you being around, you know,

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uh, because you know, it's like whoever is around me in the moment, whoever isn't around me, is around me, that's the son of God. I'm happy about it. And you know what? It's not like I'm trying to be nice to her either. I'm not, I'm not trying to be nice to her. It's not like that. I'm not trying to be nice. It's it's it's not I'm enjoying her, actually. I'm like enjoying her bitchiness. I'm not trying to make it into something else.

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And it's it's not like I'm it's not like I'm trying to manage the way I'm talking. I'm not trying to make her into a better person, right? I'm just being I'm just being happy. I'm being my natural living in the peace of God, staying in the peace of God, no matter what's arising. I barely ever get triggered. And boy, when I do, I'm having a great time with it, you know? When I do, it's barely ever that I'll actually sense a trigger. A lot of the times the trigger will be that seems like it's annoying, and it's like it'll just pass so fast because there's nothing annoying. You just you just say to her, isn't that cute? That's so cute. Christine's with me all the time in the same room. Yeah, yeah. She'll start saying, This this doesn't this doesn't seem like it's really I'm I know it can seem like that, but you keep on showing up, so you must want it. Yeah, and I tell her how cute she is, I'm like, that is so cute. Yeah, that face. I can just see that face. Yeah, yeah, we're we're over there, you know, we're using we're using blocks. I'm sharing block block therapy with people, and I'm just running the videos, you know. We're running the block therapy videos, and I'm just sharing it with my friends, and and she'll she'll be like, This this torture and stuff like that. I'm like, well, you know, you are the one that's giving yourself the torture. You don't have to torture yourself, it's not meant to be torture. I'll just keep on reminding her back off, back off a little. So Lori said, empathy actually hurts in the body in the body. That's right. That's why it's a doorway. It actually hurts. Okay. No one needs you to hurt with them. No one needs that. That doesn't, that's not helpful. It's not, it's not what it's helpful for as a signal. That's a that's what it's helpful for. It's a signal that compassion is being called for. That's why it's self-compassion. You know, your self needs compassion right now because you're actually believing that this person's pain is justified, right? So that's how you demonstrate to your own mind that the pain itself, whatever, the upset feeling, anything, it's not even justified. It has no justification. And that's why some people can say, you're for real, hope. Like they'll come up to me and they'll go, they'll, they'll go, yeah, this is going on, this is going on. I'll be like, good, that's good, because it's bringing, they're like, what? No one tells me this is good. No one tells me this is good. For instance, that's my son isn't talking to me. You know, people you normally want to commiserate with you, right? Uh, like, you know, I might, I might go, oh, and then, and then immediately sink into. Okay, it's all a blessing. Everything that occurs is a blessing. Okay, what videos are you talking about? The ones on the block. Yes, Block Therapy website. You go to blocktherapy.com. You guys, if you want to do it, you could do it. You get you go on there, you go blocktherapy.com. I recommend getting the baby and the buddy, the set. That's what the blocks are called, baby and buddy. Get that set. And then the set comes, by the way, I make no money off of this. I'm not allowed to. The set comes with a starter program that gives you all these videos that you can do that make it easy for you to learn. And then, of course, you could always ask me, because I've been doing it like four and a half years, you know, and always ask me about it too. I I find it to be very effective. I find to, I find that it's like a somatic practice of get getting to know what's playing in the unconscious mind. Friends have told me, in fact, the one I was just talking about, you know, yesterday she told me that she was, she she was reminded of a surgery she had like 30 years ago. She had forgotten about that and all of the emotions that came up around that time, because you know, they kind of got buried. And as we're accessing this pain in her body, the unconscious pain that's being projected onto the body, it's all coming from the mind, but it's being projected. As that's coming, she's getting in touch with those buried emotions again. And this reminds me of what Jesus talks about in chapter two about the unwatched, unconscious mind. It's really they they've been unwatched for so long and buried for so long that we've become unaware of them. But what's going on? What's going on with my friend too? And we've I've talked about this with her plenty of times. I'm like, the reason why you're being such a bitch is because you have pain that you're not aware of, and you're acting out of that pain. So what we're doing, and I I I just repeat it over and over again, this friend of mine does not come to wisdom dialogues. She doesn't come, she's she's got excuses why she doesn't want that, doesn't want to come, doesn't come, whatever. But she's ask accessing basically the teaching through bringing up unconscious pain in the somatic sense and seeing and recognizing okay, these are uh unhealed, unwatched emotions that I buried, and she's actually seeing them come up in that way. So I definitely think it's helpful. It's I feel like it's been really helpful for me. I feel like it, I feel Like doing block therapy as part of block therapy with A Course in Miracles together goes together so well. I feel like it's been instrumental for me in seeing and releasing pain that I was unaware of because as the pain is coming up, also the stories are revealing themselves, and we can see what we've made a problem and be released from those kinds of things. Yes. So there's no there's no place for them to hide. There's no place for these illusions to hide. And also it takes a lot of focus to be watching your mind, like what is it that's projecting all the time when you're using a tool and a Kahi comes, he comes to my my sessions, I do them from eight to ten every morning in Kahna, in case anyone wants to join me. We get pretty full in there, though, I will say, here in Kehenna, definitely people like to come for that. 8 to 10 every morning, you guys could come, and people are getting access to things that have been hidden. And what happens is, as A Course in Miracles says, all these things are an attack on the body, and the body starts getting kind of like deformed, right? It starts like things start turning in weird directions and things start being painful and stuff like that. We're basically breathing out the pain. And so people that can't hear this, what I'm sharing, especially, you know, like around here, we have huge mantra groups, you know. And I start talking about stuff like this, and people will go, I don't know. One one of my friends asked me, Do you want to talk at the mantra group? I'm like, hmm, what would I say at the mantra group? I'm not gonna have everyone running out the door. Tell them they're the gods they're they're singing to are not above them, they're actually in your mind, right? Okay, so a cahe's commenting now. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for sharing your heart and wisdom. I love you so much. Thank you. I love you too, and I appreciate you. June is there too. Oh, how fun! Aloha, June, sending you infinite love and blessings. And yeah, again, Akahi asked me to because he heard me talk about this years ago, and apparently I forgot about it. I forgot about what what I saw in mantra when I went there and stuff. And I was at the cozy cat cafe weeks ago, and I just go, there's a mantra event coming in, coming up, and I was like, Oh, I was guided to go there. I forgot about what they even sing about. But then the first first song they start saying, Here's what we sing about, here's what we're saying in the song. We're saying we're we're basically praying to Ganesha, you know, because he's the one who put the obstacles, put our obstacles up, and we're taking refuge in him, and then he's gonna take them away. It's like let's just give our power away, right? I'm I'm still singing, I'm still sitting, I'm sitting there singing, right? And people say, Yeah, it's uplifting. You know what? It's your consciousness, it's not what you do. There's nothing evil again. There's not good and evil, right? We were talking about that earlier. You can go to mantra all day long. Now you're going there with a different consciousness. You're knowing that this shit is not true, right? And and in that, in that you're you're recognizing and in that you're accepting the truth. You're being in the presence of God. So again, it's not like you're like, oh no, never go to mantra or something like that. It's bad. You know, that wasn't even in my mind at all. I had forgotten what the heck they even sing about there, right? It just sounded good to go sing. I love to sing, it's fun. And they sing with a bunch of people, then I can't even hear myself singing. That's great. So so yeah, it's like, it's like keep on, keep on, and you don't have a choice either. That's the other thing. You do not have a choice whether you go to mantra or not. You can just make it right or wrong and then be in and then be in delusion. That's all. Right? You can make it right if you make it right to go to mantra or if you make it wrong to go to mantra, that's the same thing. It's not like that. Okay. So it's not a it's not a matter of you shouldn't go. It's a matter of look what you're singing and recognize that that is not true, you know, deny all meaning to it. I was friends with a with an Indian spiritual teacher one time, and I'm still friends with him. He's just not here, he's somewhere else. I don't know what country. But he said, you should not be going to mantra. He's like, you're way more enlightened than any of those songs that they're singing. If you, if you, if you were gonna go to mantra or do mantra, make up your own mantras. That's what the Indian spiritual teacher told me. He said, those sign, those songs are geared toward key actually keeping you in delusion. That's what they're geared toward. So that, but that also still has to do with you believing in it. See, but I bet you a lot of the people that are in there do believe that those things are true, that these things have power over us. Like even the rain, it's raining right now, apparently. Even the rain, that's coming out of our mind. We actually are we're we're actually the ones responsible for all things that seem to be manifesting. And it's like recognizing that the rain, if it's raining right now, that's a blessing. All right, we're not trying to control

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any elements or anything like that. If it's raining, that's a blessing, okay? Because it's perfectly orchestrated. There's no obstacles. Like let's say we wanted to have a picnic, the brain all of a sudden seems like an obstacle, right? No obstacles, though, because everything's orchestrated for us in our favor. I appreciate you asking and I appreciate you being on, and I'm super grateful for your love. Thank you so much. All right, you guys. I'll be back tomorrow. There will be a lesson of the day. I do not know what the lesson is yet. I'm gonna study for it tonight and maybe tomorrow, and I'll have something for you for the lesson of the day. That'll start at 1 p.m. tomorrow. I will be on Zoom. Zoom is working for me now, and I'm so happy about that. All of them are gonna be on Zoom now. Also, oh, Caitlin, thank you for putting hearts on here. I was just reminded that I'm gonna be at Hawaiian Sanctuary this Friday, July 3rd. It's actually Tony's birthday. Tony's coming too. She says, Woo-hoo! I'm gonna be there speaking for their third eye Friday. I'll be there from 6 to 6:30, possibly saying things that are very triggering to the community, but it'll be really fun for me. I'm glad it's such a sweet community. She's she's laughing. Yeah, I know I was telling the girl, I was telling the girls over at the festival yesterday. I was like, yeah, apparently, uh, you know, I'm the one that's used to be to say the triggering things and to trigger people because I don't mind. I I just don't mind. I don't mind if people are triggered at me. I'm not trying to fit in. I don't need anything. Like I said, I don't need anything. So I don't need a community. I don't need it. I don't need people to like me, anything like that. So I can say the truth. I could speak the truth. Notice how often you're not speaking the truth because you think you need to be accepted into something. It's not, it doesn't work like that. It's not like that. That's a survival tactic. We do not need survival tactics. All the people and the communities and everything are going to be coming around us exactly as it's orchestrated. But when we believe that we have to be inauthentic in order to please people, in order to fit in, that's when we start seeing things like, oh no, it's not working. Like, why don't they? And always trying to, always striving. We don't need to do that. We could just be in the peace of God all the time. And it's a joy to be used in whatever way the spirit would have you be used. I've had people get triggered in front of me, and it's and it's a joy. It really is. It's it's like it's like it's not like, oh, I'm glad you're triggered or something like that. It's just like, thank you, thank you for that reflection. And you know, I'll share that with them too. I'll be like, thank you for that reflection. And I'll let them and I'll let them have their trigger without trying to change their mind. Okay. So hooray, everyone. I'll be back tomorrow. Check out hopejohnson.org. It's got a ton of information. And also, this is this is funded entirely by your donations. Thank you to those of you who have donated. And if you're thinking about donating, you can do it over there. I also accept different kinds of donations. Just ask me. I love you. And it's especially technical. I'm looking for technical. Anytime someone wants to help me with that. Yay! A hooe ho.