All The Good Things in Life - Hidden Travel Gems with Robert Mills

Robert shares his story of venturing back to his roots and finding deep connections to ancestors, reality of aging and sharing his growing up years with Randy Weckerly 

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SPEAKER_00 0:33

That is the one and the only Robert Mills coming to us on all the good things of life with our hidden travel gems, and uh I gotta call this morning. Uh that Robert was uh out uh bomb be vaunting on some top of some mountain somewhere, you know, doing something. So he calls me and says, Hey, let's uh let's let's get on here. I got some great stories to tell you. So, Robert, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:58

I'm doing fabulous, Randy. Great, great to be with you from high atop uh ball knob in Virginia. Ball knob in the biggest. In the mountains of Virginia. Beautiful. Just west of uh west of Blacksburg. Well, how is the weather there today? Uh it is fabulous. As you can see, um, you know, uh it's it's bright, sunny, and it's you know about perfect. I was about 51 when I started. I I took a uh a little jacket with me and I took it off because now it's I'm sweating. It's it's the sun's out and uh it's perfectly clear, it's still, it's gorgeous. Uh and the flowers, I mean the grass on the trees have you know are not really come in quite here at the summit area yet. They they are down lower. They were in Roanoke and the flowers were out. Um, and they they're really the the trees are starting to turn pretty good in Blacksburg. Um, but up here at 4300 feet, um, it's still just a you know, it's still a little early in the spring for it. Um yeah. But uh I I'm I'm standing here. I'm gonna switch you over here to um the telephoto here and I mean to the display that you can see.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Well, no, now here's the thing, Robert. We're on radio, we're on radio. You can just talk into the phone. We're not I can't see anything that you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Well, there's you can't see anything. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

No, no, no. This is this is just totally uh uh a verbal uh It's a verbal thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

All right, I I'm I'm I'm you know I I don't have to preen and prance around here on the right.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

No, you don't have to do anything, just be safe and we're gonna talk. So my my question is what took you there? What what uh are are you are you there alone with your family or what's going on?

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Uh I I have been doing genealogy and I've been looking at old pictures, um, and my family's asked me to do stuff, and I've been working on that. And my there was a big chest of of pictures that my mother uh left me, and you know, I hadn't really gone through them yet. There's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. And I started going through it and saw pictures of me in all these places. My dad was an engineer, he took me to 10 schools between the time I started first grade and I graduated from high school. And so I had wonderful experiences in some of these places. Um, and so uh I just got this, you know, uh the impulse to do what I'm calling a roots trip. So um, you know, hopped a plane and and took off uh day before yesterday at three, and I got to Roanoke, Virginia at 10, and I got to, I mean, to Atlanta at 10. I got to Roanoke at midnight and grabbed the rental cars yesterday morning and came up to Blacksburg where I went to high school for three years. And there's a bunch, I I organized a bunch of people that that I went to high school with, and they had a little reception for me in a restaurant. And we all got together and reminisced about old times, and it was quite something. It was, you know, it's next year will be our 60th year, you know. It's the fucking teasers. Um we had a wonderful time.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Which high school was it? Which high school was this?

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Blacksburg High School. Blacksburg High School. Um and in Blacksburg here. And so um, they took me on tours all around town. Uh so I went to all my old houses, and uh this the high school was torn down, and they they moved it someplace else, and there's nothing there but a grass, and uh, which is kind of jarring. And then the the town, as many towns in America, I'm sure if you brought back people from any era, they'd come back now and say, Oh my god, it's so they've so grown, it's so much different, you know, and all the landmarks and everything were all torn down, and it was replaced by this booming tech thing with tech research things and and uh high-rise apartment buildings and beautiful homes, and and it's all it's all unrecognizable now. All I can recognize are the streets. But the the one street I grew up on was still pretty much the same. So I I enjoyed that part, um, which was really fun. And so I'm gonna uh I'm I'm here on Ball Knob, which is the highest mountain in Giles County. It's 4,300 feet. I'm looking out into West Virginia, I'm just seeing nothing but wilderness and mountains, range after range after range, uh, all the way out into West Virginia. Um and below me is Mountain Lake, uh, which is shriveled up because of some sort of earthquake fault that caused a hole in it and it drained out most of the water in the mountain. But next to it's Mount Lake Lodge, this famous old lodge. It's gorgeous. That's where they filmed dirty dancing. You know, they pretended it was in the the Catskills, but it's actually here. Um, and uh you'll hear a sound behind me. That's um uh some guys working on a relay, uh a cell phone relay station. They came up here a bunch of hard hats that work on that thing, you know, and uh they're working on it now. So so I'm I'm looking out, I can see, and so what I'm gonna do is I'm going to uh when I'm gonna go down now back to my rental car, and I'm gonna drive out into the wilderness, and I can look out in this far thing, and I see this ridge way out there, Stony Creek Ridge, and there's a tower on it, which I'm not seeing right now, but I'm gonna go to you know where it is. Um, and I was in that tower with my father when I learned that Kennedy had been shot. You know, they we went long that day, November 23rd, 63. Uh, I was in that tower. And so it has this memory thing with me, and and as does Mountain Lake here, which I can't and brought, you know, came up here many times. Um, and uh, so I'm gonna go see the Stony Creek Tower. Uh, and and then I'm gonna go back in Blacksburg, and some of the friends are gonna you know, host me and and hang out with me, and then I'm going down to North Carolina um to uh to climb this peak called Table Rock that I climbed when I was in the third grade. It's a gorgeous mountain you know, and see the sites there, Hawksville, uh the Linville Gorge, the Linville Caverns, um, and uh and in this high school, I mean this grade school I went to in uh in Morgington. And then I'm gonna go to Salisbury, and then I'm gonna go to a little town called Apex. And I discovered, you know, going on on ancestry and and you know, find a grave and everything that there's this graveyard in Apex with 30 Mills', that's my last name. In this graveyard, all from our original progener in that county, uh, a guy named Naem Mills, who came there in 1757 and set up this graveyard early in the 19th century. And all these, all of us, you know, a whole bunch of them are there, not all of them, but um uh so I'm gonna go there and uh it's private property, it's we're out in the in the woods someplace, it's hard to find it. And so I was casting around some help with that, and I wanted to get permission. And up, and lawyers do a lot of the title searches up there. So I ended up talking to this lawyer, he's a class action lawyer like I was. So we had this great conversation, and I tell him all about this, and I say, Well, you I need some help, you know. And he he says, wait a minute, he says, My wife's a Mills, and she's related to the same guy. And so she's some distant cousin of yours. And her mother, her mother is a a Mills who was married to a Mills. She's a Mills Mills. And I said, My God, with that kind of aristocratic blood here that you've been married to, what did you you know? What a fortunate thing. So we we we teased me. And so he says, You come out here, we're we're all going there, we're gonna take you there. And I'm gonna go to his mother-in-law's hundredth birthday. Wow. Uh I got her a car. And uh, so you know, and I've been meeting people randomly all over here, and it's it's one of the wonderful things about travel. You can you can find people I back on the street when I lived, and there was some people there, and they saw me with a camera walking around. They said, you know, who are you? You know, and they're real friendly in here in Virginia. And uh uh, and so um we end up having long conversations with all of them, and and really, you know, it's just great. So I'm gonna go then I'm gonna go to Raleigh, where I was born, and um I have friends there that have a um an author that is a friend of ours, Joan Barasowski is a friend of our Miriam and I, uh originally from with Miriam, and she's a really quite successful author, has stuff on the best-selling of it. I wanted to go visit her in Raleigh, then go to Smithsville, where I lived for years and years, um, and then go to Myrtle Beach, and then go to Charleston. And when I was young, my grandmother uh would tell me stories about what her grandmother, stories of her grandmother had told her. You know, these sellers are all straight storytellers. And so she said to her her grandmother told her about when she was a little girl, her mother took her down to the to the dock to the dock there, um, the battery, they called it, uh, in Charleston. And they watched the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter. And the first shot hit the parapet of the fort. And and I checked that as true. And so I'm I'm one hearsay, as we lawyers say, I'm one hearsay away from an eyewitness to the start of the American Civil War. Um, so I'm going down there to Charleston and try to figure out uh which they have these databases now. You can find anything. So I'm gonna find out what house that she lived in, uh, and then you walk over to the basket and imagine that's gonna be fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

I we went to Charleston a few years ago. We were on a media trip, went down to Kiowa, and we were all through the southeast, which I love. And um, but I'm gonna one up you. I'm gonna one up you. I'm gonna tell you I've got I'm only uh three degrees of separation when my when my son was born, Chase, is that I knew my great-grandmother very, very well. She came to uh you know southeastern Wisconsin in 1888, and she knew her grandparents that were um alive during the uh the war of eighteen twelve. So when my grandson was born. So when my grandson was born, I said there was only three degrees of separation from my grandson to people that uh lived during the War of 1812. But um, you know what's interesting, uh while you when you moved to Freeport, it the going back to Roots, um uh you graduated from Freeport High School, which I did too, and uh to reconnect uh with Freeport, which has an amazing history, and I don't want to divert from your story, but uh in talking with people uh this this past week up in Freeport, um we were uh I kept reflecting, I said, you know, when we were growing up in Freeport in the fifties, people don't understand it's not that far away from the Civil War. Um you know, I mean uh you think about it and you go, okay, it's like 1955, but there were a lot of slaves that were brought to Freeport through the Underground Railroad, they got off the train. Freeport did a, you know, at the time a a great job of trying to bring them in to uh, you know, uh do whatever they could, give them food and some clothing, housing, whatever. Uh but I found out that Freeport had the first female black uh principal in the state of Illinois in 1927, which had to be an outgroup. And that think about how quick that went from the 1860s and a granddaughter of uh slave in the 1860s became the first principal in one of the schools in Freeport, Illinois, which I I just thought that was a remarkable story, uh, quite honestly.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

That is a remarkable story, you know. And to me, the the other remarkable change in a hurry is the gay rights stuff, you know. When I was, you know, when I was in in college, they were arresting people in Golden Gate Park for being gay, you know, we're finding them in the bushes or something, and they would throw them in jail. And and then it came to having a uh a mayor who let them get married, and and and then the Supreme Court said unanimously they can get married. And you know, that that's a change that was culturally, you know, growing up in the South. I mean, that was just something so taboo. And to see it flip all the way over to the great majority of Americans supporting it is one of the great cultural changes of of the 21st century, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Um I just saw a movie this week, and it just talked about culture, and I know you're at the top of a peak, but um we flipped on a movie, and I wished I could remember the title of it, but the story, the essence of the story is true, where a um professor and his wife, he was a professor at Harvard, um, they would not give her a professorship, even though she was very, very, very well qualified uh to do it. And uh he was into social dynamics of trying to figure out you know different things of what it means to be a human being, so forth and so on. The essence of the story is this uh he ended up inventing the lie detector test number one, just out of one of the things that he did. But the cultural dynamic that they had is that both he and his wife fell in love with the same woman, and the three of them raised a family of four kids.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

That's that's a story.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Well, and we're we're watching this movie, and it was it was well directed, well told, um a lot of heavy depth to it. It's not for children, this is an adult story. And then at the end, they do that reflection and how it reflects back to you and what you're doing, is at the end they actually you know, I love it where they start to showing the pictures of the real people and telling what happened, you know, decades later, what happened to their kids, how did the kids go? You know, that they were a two two female, one male family where they all if you watch the movie, it all fit together and it made sense, you know. So who has the right to say anything about you know how people live their life? It was a real meaningful life that these people lived, and of course people did have opinions of that. But um, you know, like you say, gay rights and all these different things in life, you know, it's just like I guess what we try to do is just you know celebrate all the good things in life that people represent.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

So you know it's very different now than when you and I were, you know, in Freeport. I mean, even in that time frame, so much is just, you know, culturally, uh, you know, as well as economic, all the towns that you know you can't recognize many more for all the boom that's gone on.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

But it's Freeport is is in a is in a situation that is just uh I I can't even I can't even tell you. It's it's just uh bad or good. Yeah, it's it's it needs some help. I mean, it used to be a vibrant, vibrant community. And and I just saw it today. I mean, when Freeport started going downhill, quite honestly, you know, it was a vibrant downtown community. Uh, you know, six feet or six people, six wide, walking the streets downtown shopping every day, you know, men wearing their hats and you know, uh the very, very vibrant downtown. And um then in the community next to us, Rockford put up Cherry Vale and and people said, Well, this is gonna kill Freeport because now people go to you know, go to a shopping center, they get all their shopping done. Well, it it started the decline, and then Walmart came to town. And again, you know, how do the Freeport, you know, individual stores, you know, they can't have to that. They couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

And well, the the battery factory and all that. So my mother wanted me to work at the battery factory, and you know, I came back to Freeport as you probably have many times, and and you know, uh all these the the vibrant, you know, industrial buildings downtown were were all bored up. They they'd all gone to Japan or some other place. And so it was, you know, free trade basically that that just under took out the whole, you know, uh and the area in Northern California, people don't know this. You know what I mean? There's an area north of me that goes all the way to the Oregon borders as big as South Carolina, and it's the poorest place in the United States here in California. Because everything went on went it, all the fishing went out, this the forests and droughts and logging and all the mining, all the mines went out, and there was nothing for people to do. The ranching, the beef prices went down, and so it it's filled with poverty. It's half the income of West Virginia. I mean, it's starving up there, and this is California, and it that's how things, how quickly things can happen. Um I mean, San Francisco was this huge dock town with all these, you know, this huge dock union, you know, stock workers and all. And then came container ships, and within a decade, it wiped them all out, and every single dock in San Francisco is gone. Every one of them. And it happened just like that, you know. And you know, Randy, what's gonna what's AI gonna do here? You know, somebody, you know, graduating, coming back to, you know, our hometowns, you know, 50 years from now, where what are they gonna find there? I mean, will they even recognize it?

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Well, I mean, even today, uh it, you know, it is Freeport, there's nothing there. I mean, it it's a beautiful park, they've got beautiful golf courses, and they've got uh the baby Wrigley field that's there. But you know, when you have Honeywell that pulls out, we used to be called MicroSwitch, and they had 8,000 families in Freeport, you know, that were uh had wonder you know, parents had wonderful jobs there, careers, retirement.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

You go to the father worked my father worked there.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

He's an engineer. They had the Raleigh, the Raleigh industry there, they had huge uh insurance companies out of Freeport. And uh, you know, Freeport, back whether it's true or not, but it was a legacy back when we were growing up, had more millionaires in Freeport than per capita than any other uh city in America. And uh when you go back and you start doing looking at that history, going down Stevenson Street and Lincoln Street.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

That'd be a great, that'd be a great, you know, article to write.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Well, we we should do that dually because we both would have a good different look at it. I was talking with our good friend Terry Wernt, who uh I'm gonna be going out and giving golf lessons to, and Terry's always been a he's a part of our class and a head football coach. Highly respected, highly faithful man. Uh he lost his wife Jan this past year, and Jan and he were together from our high school days. We got married shortly after high school, and true loving couple, and the blessings that they had of a of great uh uh of great marriage and you know, that you you always want to count your count your lucky stars, but yes um he um surprise uh situation one night she was there and the next minute she was and she had a heart attack and that was it. And and to support, you know, her and her family and and whatever and emotionally and Terry and everybody uh you know that community still is the way it was. It wraps their arms around people because it's a small community. And um then that's what you're looking to get going back to where you're at, to getting you know, you're you want to you're trying to incorporate the roots of your life. And you know, when you go back and you taste, you know, every community has a different taste. Like you know, where you grew up, you you know, you probably ate one place or you ate at home or you had some friends you ate with, and and I know going to Charleston, I'll tell you what, I had one of the richest dinners in the world downtown there uh years ago. In fact, it was so rich I didn't know if I was gonna recover in three weeks. It was just uh it was it was pork belly that was delicious, but I'm not too sure pork belly is probably about the most unhealthy thing you could possibly eat. And uh, but the food is so good and that area is uh so rich in history that uh are you gonna end up near Savannah or going down to Savannah, Georgia? Is that not in your itinerary right now?

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Well, you know, one of the things that I've come up to confronting in this, and I was thinking about you know, maybe making this a theme of a show or something at some point, it's just you know, maybe not, but um is how many uh I'm I'm coming, I'm coming confronting this now, and I'm 77 years old. How many of my classmates are are dead? And people I've worked with, people that meant something to me, partners and and and uh law, you know, people I worked for me, and and and they're and I look I and I started this whole thing, you know, part of my roots thing, and I'll and I ended up being curious of going into the obituaries um and just typed in some of the people I hadn't seen in a long time, and and they were they were their faves with their obituaries. Yeah, and it was jarring and to see so many of them. And then going back, I mean that's what I listened to, you know, uh yesterday when I was with the with everybody, is they're going, I said, How is everybody? Just go down the list, and and they was oh this one's this one's got Alzheimer's and this one's in a home, and this one, you know, it was it was jarring.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Um it's truly, it's truly, and again, I've had the same thought. Both Robert and I are the same age, graduate graduated from Freeport High School uh together. Robert came in uh later in life, but was part of our class, and the thought that you're having, uh last year, Robert, I lost ten people close to me in my life. Yeah. Um you sit there partner and and then uh you know have two relatives and then four golf buddies, and then we lost classmates, and you sit there and you know you try to keep yourself healthy and you look around, and all of a sudden the reality of life is is that you know, reality does have a expiration stamp on it. You just don't know when that's gonna be um you know how it's gonna be exacted. And uh but yeah you know the only thing you do is is that um no matter what event you come from, for those that are faithful, this is Easter and Passover week and and uh those that experience life on their own um you know everybody has their own spiritual or non-spiritual element to them but the thing is is that y the life that's wrapped around us is you know uncharted ground. I mean you know you're here for a second and that conversation we had let's see twenty two minutes ago that's our past Robert that's where the show started and twenty twenty three minutes ahead we have no clue what's gonna happen. So it uh we l you have to live in the present and be joyful.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

And uh well I I will keep uh checking in with you and um you know as I go to these places and um uh and then I'll put I'll put up something on Facebook and I'll be thinking about whether this something will be a bit more interesting or not. I mean I think a lot of people you know our age have fantasies about you know you know all the places but you know I I found a big variation of people who had a good time and who who had memory happy memories you know are much more nostalgic than than people who had big unhappy memories and unhappy childhoods and everything they they don't want to go back there at all and so that's a big part of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

I I think one of the things is is that all we can do I mean everybody's looking for you know happiness and in their individuality. Of course they want their kids you know to succeed and go forward and you know they want to have those memories um but they're for those that try to keep them so I I decided to go on the extreme an extreme clean diet. And when I see all these golfers uh there's so many stories that in a few minutes we're gonna be doing our golfers golf and travel show and by the way for those that don't know uh where our shows are because this is a podcast you can go to uh live ecostyle dot com or the distillery channel dot com or all the goodthingsandlife com or golfersgolf and travel dot com and you'll find all of these broadcasts um mitigating uh through all those different uh varieties and then you can go to your favorite favorite podcast channel iHeart Spotify uh even our Facebook page uh golfersgolf and travel all of our different Facebook pages have these podcasts up and uh we we need your suggestions if you want to send in we have a post office box now just send them to the Distillery channel at post office box one ninety one in Walworth Wisconsin and uh we the notes that we've been getting in for people's and their ideas are are amazing. We we did our uh a little brief podcast because it's Masters Week about uh uh down in Savannah which I've traveled to and I think what you should do down there Robert is look up the one of the oldest restaurants down there uh where the pirates would come in and uh uh overserve the young men of the community. There's a tunnel under this restaurant and the restaurant's still working by the way and they would hijack these young men and get them on the ships and they would uh now become sailors for the the ships going around the world and the term uh slow boat to China became real and it would take years.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Actually that was a huge industry in San Francisco because uh everybody that came the crew would abandon the ship to go look for gold. And so there was just a forest of ships in the bay abandoned with their cargo still on them. And uh because it took a whole bunch of men to unload it and it was sitting out in the water and they all sank. And um and for a long time ships and captains and owners and we didn't send them to some ship so all this gold was there but there was no nothing to buy with it because there was no food or anything coming in and the only way to solve the problem was was what they call Shanghai. Because the sailor goes in and put something in a drink and he'd wake up on a ship and the Shanghai was the metaphor because that was the far as port it was five months away nobody wanted to do that way they wanted to go to Acapulco or Honolulu or someplace but you know so it was it that was a a common problem for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Well it's uh that's a term we came up with uh when we did the show down there actually I years ago when we did a media trip we actually had lunch in there and the people in the in the restaurant were uh you know they actually were showing you those tunnels still exist and it would take years for what to what town is this if you go to Savannah I mean the history of Savannah Sherman marched through the south and he got to Savannah thought it was so beautiful it was Christmas time he wrote to uh President Lincoln he said I I give to you a this president this present at Christmas because it is too beautiful for us to destroy and it is Savannah Georgia and the history in Savannah is is just incredible. I mean it'll give you the whole history of Georgia how Georgia was founded uh it's a of course a port city and um it uh the Savannah River uh amazingly of course it's Masters Week I did a little bit of history on uh the Masters but the Masters Augusta National that area was founded uh because it's on the Savannah River and uh the cotton uh growers uh enlisted the use of uh slaves at the time of course it was easy for them to be transported down the river and uh so the history of the South uh unfolds beginning in Savannah but an amazing town it's one of those if you've never been there I knew I've been there I I I I've been I toured the houses and it's it's similar to Charleston.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

It has a similar you know history of Charleston's a little older um and uh you know you have all these it was the big slave owning thing and and all those things that had slaves and and uh and it's a it's a beautiful thing it's a lot of it's all a lot of it's antiballing before the war.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Um I will do a podcast down there on great right on the harbor well listen Robert I don't want to keep you anymore from your trip just keep calling in because I'm usually here and ready to go I've got the earphones on and I've got some music coming up we put together dedicated to uh Robert Mills and his beautiful wife. Uh it's the history the lore and uh Robert when you get to this podcast you'll be able to hear this new song that we dedicated to you and your wife it's it's it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

So I know thank you Randy thank you I look forward to I'll be back in touch very soon.

SPEAKER_05 28:37

Alrighty have a good one be safe talk to you soon well that is Robert Mills and he is our travel warrior coming to us uh you know some parts from the uh the old south and moving on he's climbed somewhere in the neighborhood of 56 of the top 57 mountains in the world and um his wife uh always has some great places that they uh uh he she has encouraged both of them to travel to over the years and uh so we came up with a little bit of music dedicated to Robert and Miriam and uh here we go and it's gonna end the show but we really really enjoy really enjoyed having Robert on hidden travel jobs travel he's great Miriam is great always finds great places warm to go and uh from the desert square they wait wild winds cry to froze your advantage scrape the sky distillery channel thank you for joining us and always remember where the lines run out leave a bit of turn back just away in the hidden travel gems hidden travel gems well we really really appreciate you staying tuned uh that is hidden travel gems with Robert Mills so join us uh throughout the week we also have golfers golf and travel we're gonna be reporting from the masters uh through the next two weeks and then through the end of April we're gonna be uh bringing on new people that had attended the PGA merchandise show and we're gonna talk to them about all the good things in golf and travel and dining and sipping.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

So if you'd like to find out more about that go to liveegostyle or all the goodthingsinlife.com This is O Uncle Randy and as my grandfather always said leave a better footprint because you just don't know who's watching.

SPEAKER_05 31:34

Pop pop said if you want a good answer ask with a good heart son that's where it starts It ain't about pushing or shouting the loudest it's a soft spoken questions that open up hearts kind of cost you a nickel but it'll buy you the world if you try black footprint rolls by leave a better footprint oh leave a better mark It's the love in your words that'll light up the dark I walk green fairways and dusty back roads chase on his touch from here to the sea I've seen a smile turn strangers to family and a gentleman set a store free don't cost you a tickle but it'll buy you the life leave a bed of football leave a bed of heart it's loving your words that'll light up the dark pop said if you want a good answer ask with a good heart song and I still do this been a production of Overchannel Media L Copyright twenty twenty six Munker Randy talk to you next time