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<v SPEAKER_00>Welcome to the MetaCurch Podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_00>My name's Clayton.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm the pastor here at MetaCurch.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And my hope is that today's podcast finds you at the perfect time in your life that God uses it to inspire and enlighten you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I hope that you enjoy today's message.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I want to welcome you in.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you are new with us, my name is Clayton.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm the lead pastor here at Meta.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we are starting a brand new series called Investigating Easter.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The series will lead us to Easter and beyond on April 7th, where we will celebrate baptisms.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm very excited.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I've been working on this series for a while.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're gonna walk carefully through the life of Jesus leading us up to Easter and try to nail down a deep understanding of what Easter actually means to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now I want you to know I wrote every message in this series with a very particular kind of person in mind.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is someone who probably knows some or even all of the Easter story, that Jesus was miraculously born, he lived a perfect life, he did miracles, he was crucified on a Roman cross and rose again three days later.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I wrote this for someone who knows the story but really struggles to believe the story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is a series for skeptics.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if you are a believer, this series has something to offer you as well.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Anytime we revisit the life of Jesus, it's instructive and the Holy Spirit speaks to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I'm going to try and model a defense for the faith of Christianity that can help build confidence in you as well as we move forward.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you are a skeptic or an atheist or agnostic, I can't promise that any one of these messages in isolation will completely change your mind.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What I do hope is that I can kind of crack open a door for you to begin exploring with a newfound curiosity the claims that Christianity makes in a new and exciting way.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is really the series that I could have benefited from years ago when my very pragmatic personality was struggling with the audacious claims that the Easter story makes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I do believe in Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so if you are a skeptic, I believe that God loved you so much that he came down to this earth and expressed his love for you by dying on a cross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if I'm right and God loves you that much, and you come and genuinely seek him, I believe that he will find you exactly where you are.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, because we're four weeks from Easter, we're not gonna start at the tomb or even the cross or even the miracles or the ministry of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Today we are starting at the beginning of the story, like all the way at the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I think that's important because I'm convinced you can't fully understand Easter until you understand Christmas.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Merry Christmas, Meta Church.

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<v SPEAKER_00>When you say Merry Christmas back, that's fine.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um for some of you, Christmas in March, this is a dream come true, and for some of you, this is an absolute nightmare, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um regardless of where you are, uh, we're going to start at Christmas.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And this is like the origin story, the prequel, the narrative before the narrative.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think it's critical because you can't fully understand Easter or fully appreciate Easter until you fully understand Christmas, maybe at the deepest level that you've ever thought about Christmas.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We are gonna be looking in one of the four Gospels in the New Testament.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Gospels are the historical account of the life of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now you may be wondering, what in the world does Christmas have to do with Easter?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Well, many of the writers of the Gospels thought that it was important.

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<v SPEAKER_00>As a matter of fact, they started out their gospels with these genealogies.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, most of us in today's Western culture aren't too concerned with our genealogies.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're very individualistic, we don't think a lot about where we came from.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But in the ancient world, people thought about this all the time and it was deeply important to them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so we can see even in the different gospel writers why they thought the birth of Jesus and the lineage of Jesus was important to the Easter story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>For example, Matthew, who is an eyewitness of the life of Jesus as one of his disciples, Matthew, who was Jewish in writing to a primarily Jewish audience, thought it was really important that people understood the Jewish lineage of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He traced the genealogy all the way back to Abraham, the father of the Jewish people.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What this did is across his gospel, he was able to connect Jesus to over 400 fulfilled prophecies from the Old Testament, verifying this truly is the Son of God who came to die for our sins.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Luke was a Gentile.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He was not Jewish, and he was writing primarily to a non-Jewish audience.

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<v SPEAKER_00>His genealogy looks different, it doesn't stop at Abraham.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He goes all the way back to Adam, the figurehead of all of humanity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Why is that important to Easter?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Well, Luke brought Jesus' birth all the way back to Adam because through Adam, sin and death entered the world.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Luke's point is through Jesus, sin and death have been overcome.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so there are countless ways that the Christmas story and the Easter story intersect.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But today we're gonna look at John's gospel.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And John's gospel is very unique.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's the one gospel that tells us at the end, I've written this so that you'll know about Jesus and believe in him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He spends chapters two through 21 trying to get you to an understanding of Jesus where you feel comfortable putting your faith in him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But before those 20 chapters, he starts in chapter one telling the story of Christmas from a very unique angle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, John doesn't trace Jesus back to Abraham or even all the way back to Adam.

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<v SPEAKER_00>As a matter of fact, John's gospel doesn't have a genealogy in it at all.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is the epic way that John opens up his gospel, John chapter one, verse one, the first three words in the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, you may see those words as familiar.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's the same phrase that opens the very first line of the very first book of the entire Bible.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Genesis chapter one, verse one.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John does not do this by accident.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's like, okay, I'm gonna tell the story of the life of Jesus, but first I'm gonna start back in the infinite void of eternity past, you know?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Do you have a friend or a spouse who can't tell a short story anybody?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Don't look at them, you don't want to admit it, it's fine.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Too many details, too much history in every story that they tell.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Some of you saw last month an American journalist interviewed the Russian president and asked a very simple question.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Two years ago you invaded a different country, and why did you do that?

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you didn't see it, I am not joking.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here was his answer.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The year was 835.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's my Russian, I don't do accents, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>He asked about a war that started two years ago, and he gave an answer that started 1,200 years ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Way too much backstory.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John does like an extreme version of this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm gonna tell you about Jesus, but before I get there, I'm gonna go back in time to literally before the universe existed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John is going to get to the birth, the life, the miracles, the death and the resurrection of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Those are the biggest miracles in significance.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like what it actually offers us, the biggest miracles in significance.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But before he gets there, he's going to base his claims in his gospel on the biggest miracle in scope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The creation of the heavens and the earth.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what I love John is writing his gospel in Greek, in the original text, and he's writing it to a Greek culture, and he's meeting them exactly where they are, where they can wrestle with this theologically, what they believe about God, philosophically, how they think the world works.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And even in our modern view, scientifically, and it builds good reasons for our faith in God, and even for our faith in the story of Easter.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I want to show you how John is meeting his people that he's writing to in their everyday flow of life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what John says in the beginning was the word.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, the word word right there is a word that was deeply significant in the Greek culture.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In fact, it was something they talked about all the time and thought about all the time and sought to understand.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was one of the most culturally significant words the Greeks had, and it's the word logos.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The first person to teach on the word logos happened hundreds and hundreds of years before Jesus and John were even on the earth.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was the Greek philosopher Heraclitus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He said, the Logos holds always, but humans always prove unable to understand it, both before hearing it and when they have first heard it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's the key.

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<v SPEAKER_00>For though all things come to be in accordance with this Logos, humans are like the inexperienced when they experience such words and deeds as I set out, distinguishing each in accordance with its nature and saying how it is.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All things come to be in accordance with the Logos.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In Greek thought, the Logos referred to both the principle of logic and reason, how you can look at a world and it's intelligible and observable, as well as spiritually, the Logos meant the underlying structure of the cosmos, the thing that creates all and holds all things together.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, having a term for this substructure of reality is not unique to the ancient Greeks.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What's fascinating when you look at the philosophy from almost every people group all around the planet, for most of human history, they all came up with some kind of term that referred to an impersonal force that brings logic, reason, that creates all things and holds all things together.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Hindus and the Buddhists have the Dharma.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Ancient Chinese philosophy points to the concept of qi.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Egyptians had ma'at.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The indigenous islanders had the idea of mana.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Even a great 20th-century philosopher described it this way: it's an energy field created by all living things that surrounds us and penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's the philosopher Obi-Wan Kenobi from Star Wars.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the idea of the force in Star Wars was gathered from the reality that across human history, in parts of the world that never had contact with each other, almost everyone observed the world and came up with a term for what brings logic, reason, creation, and structure to reality.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We are lacking so much creativity that we have this in our secular culture as well, but we don't have a cool name for it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know what we call it?

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<v SPEAKER_00>The universe.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Oh, the universe and I are just vibing right now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think the universe has good things for my future, you know?

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's like this idea of something that brings logic and reason and can explain my future and my past.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Greek thought this was the Logos, the logical structure of the universe, the agent for all that is created, the harmony that brings life, the enlightenment of all reason, that is the Logos.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so here's what John says in reference to this impersonal force.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says, In the beginning was the Logos.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's what he wrote in Greek.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In the beginning was the Logos.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if you were an ancient Greek, you would think, so far, so good.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I believe that too.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It had to be before us because all was created through it and it holds all things together.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's the very bedrock of logic and reason and how we understand our world.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Sure, John in the beginning was the Logos, but he wasn't done.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says, in the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if you were in ancient Greek, you would be scratching your head.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because how you think about the Logos is impersonal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's almost like John is beginning to personify the Logos, as if it is something that can be with God and in relationship with God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the gods of the ancient Greek world, there were many of them, the whole pantheon of gods, like Zeus, but those were more mythology than theology, and Logos was a separate concept that could not be personified.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if that was confusing, this would have blown their minds.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The full verse says, In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John is dropping an absolute bomb on his audience.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's saying this organizing principle of the entire universe is the God of Christianity, the God that is taught in Scripture.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He goes on to make this personification clear.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says, He was with God in the beginning, and all things were created through him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And apart from him, not one thing was created that has been created, and in him was life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that life was the light of men.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Logos has been fully personified now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It now has its own pronouns.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He was with God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All things were created through him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In him was life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Not only that, but now the Logos, what is thought of as this impersonal force.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now John is saying it is actually what created the entire cosmos, including human life and consciousness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now this matters greatly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Remember, virtually every culture given enough time develops a term to signify that which gives life order and meaning, whether it's the Logos or Mana or the Dharma or Qi.

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<v SPEAKER_00>These supposed forces are all impersonal, and John is saying, no.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This agent of creation, this bedrock of reason, is a person.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is a wildly different way to think, and he's challenging his audience by meeting them exactly where they are.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And this matters to us today, not just theologically what we believe about God, and not just philosophically, the way we think the world operates, but it even matters scientifically.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John's gonna spend the rest of his gospel, all the rest of the chapters, making the case for the biggest miracles in significance, the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But first, he's taking direct aim at the biggest miracle in scope, the creation of the entire universe.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, this was in the first century.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We've obviously learned a lot about the universe since the first century when John wrote this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>However, for as much as we have learned, we still have not scientifically answered what is perhaps the biggest question we can ask.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How did the universe get here?

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<v SPEAKER_00>How did the universe get here?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if you are a skeptic, agnostic or atheist, here in the room, watching online, you're probably thinking, great, another pastor who doesn't believe in the freaking Big Bang.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Hold on, we will get there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Big Bang explains the causal element that brought the universe into existence, but science cannot answer where the Big Bang came from.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We have no answer to that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that matters because it's perhaps the biggest question.

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<v unknown>G.

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<v SPEAKER_00>W.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Leibniz, who is the co-discoverer of calculus, I quote him just to quote someone obviously smarter than me, okay?

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is what he said.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The first question, which should rightly be asked, is why is there something rather than nothing?

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<v SPEAKER_00>For most of human history, life was very boring.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You would like watch your crops grow, you know, there's no electricity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And people had deep thoughts.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They would observe the world and think, why are we here?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And like, what part do I have to play in this?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And how did this all get here?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And where did it all come from?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And now we just scroll through TikTok.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know, we don't think about those things that much.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Our culture doesn't have a lot of deep thoughts.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So maybe you are a deep thinker and you have thought about this question of why is there something rather than nothing until your mind has like exploded.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And maybe you've never really given much thought to this, but this is a question that matters.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so I want to provide you with what I believe is the simplest and most precise and persuasive argument for a personal creator of the cosmos.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Not an impersonal force that guides things along like the Logos or Qi, but a personal creator who made a decision to move from a state of nothingness to the world that we observe today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm gonna lay this out as a very simple three-part syllogism.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All that means is that it's an airtight argument.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's how a syllogism works.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If the first premise is true, and the second premise is both true and follows from the first, then the conclusion has to be true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's an airtight argument.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If A and B, then C necessarily is true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Nod your head if you understand at least a little bit so I can move on.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Good.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's the three parts.

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<v SPEAKER_00>A everything that begins to exist has a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>B, the universe began to exist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let me remind you, if A and B, then C must be true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>C, therefore, the universe has a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let me say it like this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If everything that begins to exist has a creator, and the universe began to exist, then necessarily the universe itself must have a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so let's walk through our premises to see if we can actually nail this down.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's start with premise A.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Everything that begins to exist has a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is what John is saying when he says in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and everything that was created was created by Him, and nothing was created apart from Him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that's his claim.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Everything that begins to exist has a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, this will almost certainly be the easiest part of agreement for anyone who is sincerely seeking the truth.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The premise is simple: something cannot come from nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We live our lives assuming that this is true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I guarantee nobody got ready to come to service today, got out of the shower, and just waited for your wardrobe to appear on your body.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know better.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Something does not come from nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, not only do we observe this and live with this as an assumption, but importantly, it would break the underlying law that even makes science possible if something could come from nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's called the law of uniformity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The law of uniformity states that the natural laws that guide and govern our world act in a uniform way and therefore a predictable way, making science possible.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If that were not true, the world would not be predictable, which means it would not be observable because the laws of nature and the laws of physics could change all of the time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The way that the scientific process works relies fully on the law of uniformity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if things begin to exist without a creator, if something can come from nothing, then science has no purpose.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Whatever begins to exist has a cause and a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you're hungry after service, you're gonna go eat, or you're gonna go home and cook something, you're not gonna stay in your seat and just wait for chicken and dumplings, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because you know that's not how it works.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You've never in your life been binging a Netflix show and a rhinoceros just appear in the middle of your living room.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if it has, I wanna know what you are smoking, because that sounds amazing, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>It never happens.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Premise A, everything that begins to exist has a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That one should be easy to agree on.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let me remind you, if premise A and premise B, then the conclusion, premise C, is airtight.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And premise B is that the universe began to exist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now this one will take a little bit more work.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, for a lot of human history, it was believed that the universe was static.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This was simply due to our lack of.

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<v SPEAKER_00>A static universe means that the universe has existed infinitely.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's always been a universe here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>However, with the progression of disciplines like science, astronomy, and cosmology, as well as philosophy, we now know, as much as we know anything scientifically, we now know that the universe did in fact begin to exist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now I don't have time to go into all of the details, but I'll point out to some of the scientific progressions.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We'll start with Einstein, who massively shaped the way that we understand physics and science and mathematics with his law of relativity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>On his first pass through the law of relativity, he came to the conclusion that his law only worked with an expanding universe.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Einstein didn't like that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like everyone else, he believed in a static universe that had always been here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he fudged the numbers.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Late in his life, he would call this the most embarrassing blunder of his career.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, years later, decades later, a man named Edwin Hubble had built a telescope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's called the Hubble Telescope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He invited Einstein out to come and look because what he found blew his mind.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Einstein looked, and that was the day that he knew his original theory was correct.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The universe was, in fact, expanding.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Through the Hubble telescope, you could see that the edge of the universe was expanding at a constant rate.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What does that mean?

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<v SPEAKER_00>The implication is that if you rewind the tape on the expansion of the universe, eventually you run out of tape altogether.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That at one point the universe did not exist, which means time did not exist, space did not exist, and matter did not exist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Other scientists soon found they could trace the radiation waves from what they began to call the Big Bang.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, they were seeing the afterglow of the event that exploded time, space, and matter into being.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, because of the radiation mapping, scientists began to hypothesize that they should be able to see small ripples in the radiation that are like a mapping of all the galaxies that have been created, including our own.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In the 1980s, the Kobe satellite was put into space to discover that exact phenomena, and what they found was exactly what they hypothesized: that you can actually see in the radiation afterglow of the Big Bang the very mapping of the galaxies that were created, including the galaxy that we inhabit as human beings.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The head astronomer on the project said about his finding if you are religious, it is just like looking at God himself.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, growing up in church, you might have had an experience like I did if you grew up in church.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We had a big problem with the Big Bang.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In the 90s, we began to talk about the Big Bang in the scientific community as if it was proof that we no longer needed God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so it seemed to put science and Christianity at odds with one another.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let me tell you something.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you are a believer in God, then you believe God created the universe.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And science is the study of observing the universe that God created.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You don't have to be afraid of science because if God created the universe and science studies the universe, give it enough time, science will lead you back to God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You don't have to see it at odds with each other.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Big Bang was like a cuss word in the churches that I grew up in.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what's true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Big Bang, now we know, is one of the greatest evidences for a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, we believe in the Big Bang, we just know who banged it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And please don't tweet that quote, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>It doesn't come out great, but it makes my point well, okay?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because of all of this, it is now as close to scientific fact as you can get that at one point the universe did not exist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what Stephen Hawking said.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Almost everyone now believes that the universe and time itself had a beginning at the Big Bang.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Space, time, and material started at the Big Bang.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what Stephen Hawking, as well as everyone else, cannot answer.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Where did the Big Bang come from?

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<v SPEAKER_00>You probably grew up hearing that it was the collision of two atoms, created it all, blew it all into existence, but remember, science shows us there was no space, no time, and there was no material.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Atoms are material.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, if you are even a strident atheist, you are still left with a question of faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How did the universe get here?

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you're going to be intellectually honest, you have to follow the data where it goes, which is to a universe that came into existence out of nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No space, no time, no material.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It will require faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The question is which one is more reasonable?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Either there is a God, which means someone created something, the whole universe out of nothing, a miracle, or there is no God and no one created the universe out of nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>One is a miracle and one is more like a magic trick, except there's no hat and there's no rabbit and there's no freaking magician, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>So which one is more reasonable?

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<v SPEAKER_00>They both require high levels of faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But the question of cosmology: how did the universe get here and why does it exist?

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's a big question.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's a question that science cannot answer.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So who would this someone be?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Well, we can deduce several things about whoever the creator was.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If our syllogism is correct, everything that begins to exist has a creator, the universe began to exist, therefore the universe has a creator.

00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.279
<v SPEAKER_00>What's that creator like?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Well, we know there was no space and no time and no matter.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So this creator would have to be spaceless and timeless and immaterial.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Not only that, but you can look at the expanse of the universe and know that this creator must have been insanely powerful, possibly even all-powerful.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's a fifth characteristic though, one that really matters for our discussion about the Logos.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Logos is an impersonal force.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It guides, but it does not decide.

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<v SPEAKER_00>However, whoever the creator was also had to be personal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We were in a state of nothingness, and then creation exploded into existence.

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<v SPEAKER_00>To go from a state of nothingness to a state of creation requires a decision.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And decisions are personal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What are we left with?

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<v SPEAKER_00>The universe began to exist, and everything that begins to exist has a creator.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And this creator had to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, all-powerful, and personal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Exactly the attributes attributed to God from Genesis all the way through revelation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what Robert Jastrow, who isn't agnostic, he's not convinced about God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's the founder of NASA's Institute of Space Studies, he's a world-famous astronomer.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what he says: astronomical evidence leads to a biblical view of the origin of the world.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is someone who doesn't believe in God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says the essential element in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis is the same.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You can look at a lot of creation stories from a lot of different religious backgrounds.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Most of them are very mythological in nature.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Bible, which our culture paints to be completely anti-logic, anti-science, is actually the closest to the overarching way that the world came into existence.

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<v SPEAKER_00>An all-powerful, personal, spaceless, timeless, immaterial being who, in the beginning, out of nothing, created the heavens and the earth.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Scientist Rupert Sheldrake absolutely nailed it when he said, it's almost as if science said, give me one free miracle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And from there, the entire thing will proceed with a seamless causal explanation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, science can explain almost everything once the world and life exists.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's the one free miracle science needs.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The one free miracle was the sudden appearance of all the matter and energy in the universe with all of the laws already built in to govern it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Everyone needs one miracle.

00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.799
<v SPEAKER_00>The most hardcore atheist you know needs one miracle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How did the universe get here?

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<v SPEAKER_00>You're probably wondering while I'm standing in front of a massive Christmas stage design, when we're gonna talk about Christmas.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And John's getting us there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But it was important to John in the gospel that he wrote that before we get to the biggest miracle in significance, he sets the precedent of the biggest miracle in scope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That in the beginning was the word.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the word created all, and nothing that was created was created apart from him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's important to acknowledge that whether you're a believer or an atheist, we're both dealing with a miracle here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so John moves from the biggest miracle in scope, the universe, to the biggest miracle in significance, the birth of Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John 1-1, let me remind you: in the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God, and here's his Christmas story, verse 14.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Logos became flesh and dwelt among us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we observed his glory, the glory as the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and full of truth.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is John's big reveal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Logos is not just an impersonal structure to life and reason.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Logos is a personal God, and if you think that's crazy, he goes on to say that that God came down to earth and put on flesh.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you're a skeptic, then a virgin birth is probably a bit of a hang-up for you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Likewise, a man rolling away his stone three days later and coming back to life is probably a bit of a hurdle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In fact, these are maybe some of the very beliefs that have kept you from putting your faith in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Which is why today we went back to the beginning because you can't fully understand Easter until you understand Christmas, and you can't fully understand Christmas until you understand where the story started.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We have this misconception that Christmas is the celebration of the creation of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like that's when he enters the story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And John says, No.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He was with God in the beginning, and he was God in the beginning, and he was the agent for everything that has been created.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the story of Christmas is not Jesus being created, it's the story of the creator stepping down into his creation in order to bring us back into relationship with God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Christmas story didn't start with Mary getting pregnant or the journey to Bethlehem or the visit from the Magi.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Christmas started in the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The first miracle that set the stage for all subsequent miracles.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If we're gonna live an intellectually consistent life, we have to acknowledge that the best data from 600 years of the scientific process has led us to a universe that started from nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No space, no time, no matter, and yet here we are.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And whatever brought us from nothing into something has to be, by definition, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, all-powerful, and personal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The same attributes that we ascribe to our God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, I want you to go on a hypothetical with me.

00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:17.039
<v SPEAKER_00>If you are a skeptic, agnostic, atheist, this is a hypothetical.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If that God exists, and if that God loved you and wanted to draw you to himself, what would be the best way for him to do that?

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<v SPEAKER_00>John chapter 1, verse 18.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John acknowledges no one has ever seen God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's a huge obstacle to our faith, if we're honest.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The one and only Son who is himself God and is at the Father's side, Jesus Christ, has revealed him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We haven't seen God, and we're called to put our faith in him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So if you want to know what God is like, John says, look at the life of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And scripture says that God is love.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So what does that mean?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And how much does he love?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And does he love someone like me who's jacked up and broken and has a lot of skeletons in my closet and has been very far from God?

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you want to know that answer of how God loves you, then look at how Jesus loved.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And you say, Maybe I can buy all of it, and maybe he really did die, maybe he's even God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But he probably died for, you know, the church people, put together people, got their marriages right, no addictions, no bad habits.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you want to know who God wanted to save, then you look at Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And you look to Easter and you find him on a cross, bearing the sin of the entire world, paying the price for lost sons and daughters to come back to their heavenly father.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's how Paul said it in Romans.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He said, For while we were still helpless, at the right time, Christ died for the ungodly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Rarely will someone die for a just person, though for a good person, perhaps someone might dare to die.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But God proves his own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How did the universe get here?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Regardless of your answer, it will require faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Either God, the all-powerful personal creator, created the universe out of nothing, or nothing created the universe out of nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's why John takes us back to the biggest scope of miracle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you can acknowledge that there's even a chance that someone was behind the creation of our intricately fine-tuned universe, it cracks open the door to the possibility of a miracle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Sheldrake said, give me one free miracle, and science can explain the rest, but you need one miracle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if one miracle is possible, if Jesus spoke the universe into creation, then becoming incarnate, putting on flesh is child's play in comparison.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If Jesus existed in eternity past and was the agent through which all human life and consciousness has come, raising to life three days later.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Seems small in comparison.

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<v SPEAKER_00>John very intentionally set up the biggest miracle in scope so you would have a chance to believe in the biggest miracle in significance.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because if it was in the beginning, there was Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus was with God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus was God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And all things that were created were created through him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And not one thing that was created was created apart from him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus became flesh, dwelt among us, revealed the Father, died for our sins, and rose again.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Then the biggest question in your life no longer is where did the universe come from?

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<v SPEAKER_00>The biggest question in your life is what happens after I die?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it all comes back to what happened in the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Would you pray with me?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right where you're at, you can bow your head and close your eyes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's nothing magic about it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Just create some space for yourself and for the people who are in the room with you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The resurrection may have happened in the first century, but the story of Jesus started in the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We believe in a God who loves you so much that he was not content to stay distant like other gods, demanding that you climb a ladder and make your way to him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>A God who loved you so much that he got small, stepped out of eternity and into your world to pay for your sins to get you back into relationship with your Father.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I wonder if there's anyone who is in the room or with us online who maybe God has been working on your heart.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're not in this series to convince you from argument.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're in this series to crack open the door to you allowing yourself to experience the Holy Spirit pressing in on you, calling you back into relationship with your Heavenly Father.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Perhaps throughout this year, God's been speaking to you, showing up in unexpected ways, leading you through Sunday services, engaging you in worship.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But you've never had a moment in time where you've put your faith in Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You've never had a moment where you said, I trust you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I trust you with my whole self.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I believe.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If that's you, and today is your day, there's no pressure, every eye is closed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But if today is your day and you're ready to say, I am putting my faith in Jesus, then I'm gonna ask you for a moment of courage right now to just raise your hand up in the air where I can see you and see who I'm praying with.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what I'm gonna ask.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm gonna ask for those who raised a hand to believe for the first time, as well as all the believers in the room to pray a prayer together, simply acknowledging your faith in Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's pray this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus, today I choose to put my faith in you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I thank you for loving me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I believe you are God.

00:40:53.760 --> 00:41:00.639
<v SPEAKER_00>But you came to earth, died for my sins, and I believe you rose again.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Today I thank you for new eternal life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let me pray over you now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus, we do thank you for your great love, and we love you because you first loved us, gave your life for us when we were helpless, when we did not deserve it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We thank you that you were a creator, that you made a decision to bring all of this into existence.

00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:39.840
<v SPEAKER_00>We thank you for coming, for taking our place on a cross we deserved, for paying the price of our sins, bringing us back into relationship with our Heavenly Father.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We rejoice with all of heaven for those who have made the decision today to put their faith in you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I pray you would build the confidence in them that this is the beginning of something extraordinary.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They would jump in with both feet for all you have to offer in this life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We pray all this in Jesus' name.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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