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<v SPEAKER_00>Welcome to the MetaCurch Podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_00>My name's Clayton.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm the pastor here at MetaCurch.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And my hope is that today's podcast finds you at the perfect time in your life that God uses it to inspire and enlighten you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I hope that you enjoy today's message.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you are new with us, my name's Clayton.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm the lead pastor here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm so, so grateful that you joined us today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We are in a series called Investigating Easter.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is a very different series because as Christians, we hold a lot of assumptions, just these core beliefs.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And in a typical sermon, we carry those assumptions into our message.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But every once in a while we step into a series like this and we try to eliminate any assumptions and instead make reasoned arguments for the faith that we have, because that's the kind of series that we're in.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This may be a very different Easter message than you've heard before.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We built this as a series for skeptics.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if today piqued your interest, we've been building a cumulative case for our faith over the last three weeks, and I'd encourage you to get caught up by going to youtube.com/slash metachurch, and you can see the full picture that we've been painting over the course of this series.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Today is Easter.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is the day that Christians around the world celebrate Jesus overcoming death itself to walk out of a grave almost 2,000 years ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is the moment that our faith hinges on.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And yet, at the same time, it is the moment that for many skeptics is a massive impediment to their faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The idea that miraculously someone could actually be dead for multiple days and then come back to life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So today we're gonna be asking the question: is the resurrection reasonable?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Would you pray with me?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus, we love you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Holy Spirit, I believe you're here, that you're moving among us, that you're wanting to speak to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So, God, I pray we would just be humble enough to lay down our own ideas and preconceptions, that we would seek you, God, and I believe that we will find you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We love you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We pray these things in your name.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And everyone who's ready say, Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What Easter does in part is it forces the church to focus on the essential of our faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you grew up in church or maybe unchurched or dechurched or whatever your faith background is, you're probably aware at some level that there are different arguments and debates, even within the church and within Christianity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Easter pushes us past all of that and gets us to the core of our belief.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're gonna spend most of our time in 1 Corinthians 15, written by the Apostle Paul.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what he says in verse 14 if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation, all the traveling and preaching that they were doing, our proclamation is in vain, and so is your faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, whatever else there is to argue over or debate about, the bottom line is that either Jesus walked out of that grave 2,000 years ago, or he didn't.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if he did, in fact, resurrect from the dead, then you should take seriously the claims that he made, that he is in fact God, that he paid the price of your sins, and that he is the only way into a relationship with God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If he did not walk out of the grave, then Scripture says our faith is in vain, meaning it's worthless, meaning the church is worthless.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This movement that we're all a part of is all for naught.

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<v SPEAKER_00>These are the incredible high stakes that Easter represents.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so we're gonna wrestle with whether or not the resurrection is reasonable.

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<v SPEAKER_00>An author named Gary Habermas, he wanted to know the historical facts surrounding the Easter story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so he put together the most comprehensive look into what historians and scholars believe about the resurrection.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He studied over 1,400 of the most critically upheld works on the New Testament, and he didn't just sample from Christians, these 1,400 works cover a broad spectrum from believers to skeptics, all the way to hardened atheists.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, as you can imagine, there is incredible debate about almost endless topics around the resurrection story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>However, virtually every scholar agreed on these 10 facts because the historical data, both from scripture and extra-biblical sources, is just simply so overwhelming.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So here are the 10 facts that everyone, from believers to atheist scholars, agree on.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number one, Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number two, he was buried, most likely in a private tomb.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number three, soon afterwards, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number four, Jesus' tomb was found empty very soon after his burial.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number five, the disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number six, due to those experiences, the disciples' lives were thoroughly transformed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They even died for their belief.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number seven, the proclamation of the resurrection took place very early from the beginning of church history.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number eight, the early public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried just shortly before.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number nine, the gospel message centered on the preaching of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And number ten, James, the brother of Jesus and Paul, who persecuted Christians, came to belief in Jesus after experiencing an appearance of him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now these stand as consensus historical facts among scholars.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now notice the list obviously doesn't say that Jesus actually rose again from the dead or that God miraculously brought him back to life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>A huge percentage of the scholars would not have agreed with that because they're atheists or skeptics, many of them don't even believe that miracles are possible.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And yet they do agree on these ten facts.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so the question should be for us given this list, what makes best sense of these ten historical facts?

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're gonna go through today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And what I want to do is take these ten facts and categorize them into three groups that I believe makes an argument for the most reasonable, most plausible explanation of the data that Jesus actually rose from the dead.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's look at our first four facts.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number one, Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's a fact of history.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number two, he was buried, most likely in a private tomb.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Three, soon afterwards, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And number four, Jesus' tomb was found empty soon after his burial.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's where we see the first problem that everyone has to contend with in the historical facts of the Easter story, and that is a missing body.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We first have to talk about the fact that Jesus was dead, put in a tomb, and shortly afterwards his body was found missing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If one of your loved ones was put in a tomb, deceased, and soon after that body came up missing, the only thing you would be worried about is what happened to the body.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Where did it go?

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is a mystery, and it remains a mystery of history, with the only credible historical data is that many people believe Jesus came back to life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus was buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This was a rich man, he was part of the Jewish Sanhedrin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul quotes a creed that originated just years after the resurrection supposedly took place.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is the oldest historical creed of Christianity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's how it goes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Paul says, I passed on to you as most important what I also received.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's the creed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day, according to the scriptures.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The empty tomb is corroborated not only in the Gospels, but in many extra biblical sources.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Even the Jewish Talmud, and of course, Orthodox Jewish people do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and still it records the empty tomb.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Josephus, who is the most famous of Jewish historians during that time, also a non-Christian, wrote about the resurrection of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He said, in part, in the time of Pilate, there was a wise man who was called Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Early and eyewitness accounts, including those from non-Christian sources, support the empty tomb narrative, leading many New Testament and other scholars to affirm its authenticity.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Remember, this is one of our ten consensus facts that the tomb of Jesus was found empty.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, atheist scholars, if you're going to make the claim that there is no God and Jesus did not rise from the grave, they have to contend with the reality of an empty tomb.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And they've gone to great lengths to push theories for the incredibly inconvenient historical fact that the body of Jesus was missing from its grave.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, to be honest, most of these theories are so far-fetched, they're not really worth our time today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I want us to look at the two most prominent theories that try to explain why his tomb might have been emptied.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They are the stolen body theory and the swoon theory.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The stolen body theory began almost immediately after the resurrection, and it's propagated through the years.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Still today, many famous atheists hold to the idea that the disciples of Jesus went and stole his body from his tomb and then put together a massive conspiracy about his resurrection in order to start a new religious movement.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In Matthew 28, it says, After the priest had assembled with the elders and agreed on a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money and told them, Say this, his disciples came during the night and stole him while we were sleeping.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If this reaches the governor's ears, we will deal with him and keep you out of trouble.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They took the money and did as they were instructed, and this story has been spread among the Jewish people to this day.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, once you start digging into the theories, trying to explain away the resurrection of Jesus, you find that they ring very hollow very quickly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number one, we know the state that the disciples were in.

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<v SPEAKER_00>One of our ten historical facts is that they were absolutely despondent and bereaved.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They had lost all hope because their leader had died and they had every single belief that he would stay dead.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In the Jewish mindset, there was also no category for a bodily resurrection.

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<v SPEAKER_00>To the Jewish people, resurrection takes place at the end of time when God institutes a new heavens and new earth.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They didn't even have a mental categorization for Jesus physically coming back to life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Also, we knew that at this point the disciples were a bunch of cowards.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We see the night that Jesus is arrested to be killed, they all run away in shame.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In Mark's gospel, it even adds the embarrassing detail that one of the disciples was caught by his shirt, slipped out of his clothes, and ran away naked.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Okay, like they were getting out of there and they stayed at a distance.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They betrayed Jesus, they denied Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So for this conspiracy to work, all of a sudden the cowardly disciples had to become brave enough to try and sneak past the Roman assassins who were guarding that grave, steal the body of Jesus, and then put together a conspiracy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if they did this, they are the worst conspiracy theorists of all time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The first thing they did is document that the people who discovered the empty tomb were all women.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, at that place and at that time in history, women were not credible witnesses.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In fact, their testimony could not even be admitted in a court of law.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you wanted a believable conspiracy, the last people on earth you would have discover an empty tomb would be women.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Not only that, but as soon as their new movement started, they were persecuted by both Israel and Rome immediately.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This conspiracy ended up costing every single one of these disciples their lives.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Once you start digging into the conspiracy of the cowardly disciples stealing a body and starting a conspiracy that caused nothing but hell on earth for them, you start to realize that maybe this is quite a stretch.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The other theory that many people hold to in a desperate attempt to try and explain away the empty tomb is called the swoon theory.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This theory states that Jesus didn't actually die on the cross, he just appeared to be dead and then later was able to get himself out of his own tomb.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, let me explain a little bit about the historical record of how Jesus died.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number one, we know that he died by Roman crucifixion.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Roman centurions were some of the greatest, most skilled killers in all of human history.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What they would do on a cross, you would end up filling your lungs with your own body fluid and, in a real sense, drowning in dry air, is perhaps the most excruciating way to die.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But the Roman soldiers would almost always, at the end of the crucifixion, take a long spear, thrust it through your side, past your ribs, puncture a lung, and into your heart to just make sure that you were dead.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Eyewitness testimony says this is the last thing that happened to Christ as well.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if somehow Jesus survived all that, we also have to remember that before he was sentenced to death on a cross, he first was sentenced to be beaten by a cat of nine tails.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now the Romans, who were experts in uh assassination and execution, they knew that 40 lashes from a cat of nine tails would kill the average sized man.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so if you remember in scripture, Jesus was sentenced to 40 minus one.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, before Jesus even got to the cross, he was beaten to within an inch of his life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Scripture says that he was unrecognizable as a human before they ever nailed him to the cross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Then he hung on a cross for hours, and then his lung and heart were punctured with a spear, and then he bled out for almost 24 hours, and then he was embalmed in about 75 pounds of wrapping, basically a full body cast, and laid in a tomb with a stone that one man could not move alone.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The swoon theory would have you believe that Jesus bled out for close to 24 hours, after going through all that, somehow took off his own full body cast, somehow moved his own stone, and then somehow made his way back to his disciples.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, when you just start looking at the theories that people are desperately trying to posit to get around the inconvenient historical fact that the tomb was empty, you find that the arguments themselves come up empty.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, the body of Jesus being missing does not by itself prove the resurrection.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It is a problem for those who want to say Jesus did not rise again.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And there have been no realistic arguments posited for this historical fact.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's look at our next set of facts.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Fact number five, the disciples had experiences they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number six, due to these experiences, the disciples' lives were thoroughly transformed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They even died for their belief.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then fact number 10, James, who was the brother of Jesus and Paul, who persecuted the Christians, came to belief in Jesus after experiencing an appearance of him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This adds another layer, not only a missing body, but reports of meetings.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The second fact that the vast majority of scholars agree on is that many, many people claimed to have seen real post-mortem appearances of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Again, in 1 Corinthians, Paul says it this way: I passed on to you what's most important.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried and raised on the third day, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve, then he appeared to over five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, most of them still alive, but some have fallen asleep.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, some have passed on.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now look at how Paul records this event.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We know that the church started quickly and it began right in the same city where Jesus had been crucified in Jerusalem.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Paul is saying to the Corinthians that there are over 500 people who have experienced post-mortem interaction with Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They were in Jerusalem, they saw him crucified, they watched him die, and then later that week they hung out with him and talked with him and interacted with him and ate with him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, Paul isn't writing this 300 years later when all the eyewitnesses were dead.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like if you guys don't believe me, that's fine.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You can easily charter a boat, go right across the tip of the Mediterranean Sea, go to Jerusalem, and you will find hundreds of people who believe that they experienced a risen Jesus so much that they are willing to give their lives for it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're living in an age, it's really interesting.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Kind of post-COVID, it's like everyone's become a conspiracy theorist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Have y'all noticed this?

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<v SPEAKER_00>We spend way too much time on YouTube, and you know, these YouTubers, man, they're good, bro.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You, I mean, all of a sudden, you're like two hours on YouTube, you think the whole world's made out of cheese somehow, and you like you believe it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They're so they'll take these narratives and video clips, you know, and little tidbits, and you're like, oh my gosh, the earth is flat and the moon is fake, and I'm living in a simulation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like, YouTube will ruin your life real fast, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so we're we're casting doubt on all these historical events, even recent ones.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so you guys know I'm a huge NBA fan, and recently I found there's a new NBA conspiracy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, in 1962, Will Chamberlain scored 100 points in a game, but the only evidence that we have for it is one picture of him holding a little sign that says 100 points.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we have the stat sheet, which could easily have been fabricated.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And no one filmed that game that night, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Which actually wasn't all that odd because most of the games weren't filmed because the NBA wasn't very popular.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And of course, no one had an iPhone, so they couldn't pull it out and record the game, and we have no real evidence whether or not it happened.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's these YouTube conspiracies that say Will never did it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It never happened.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was made up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And they say the conspiracy behind it is that the NBA was struggling and people weren't coming to the games, and so they just they made this up out of whole cloth and they put it in the papers to try and draw attention and get him to the game.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So you could go on YouTube and become very convinced very quickly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Wilt never did it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No such thing as the hundred-point game.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But this wasn't that long ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What if your parent was there?

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<v SPEAKER_00>What if your grandpa was at the game and told you about all 100 buckets?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Or what if you didn't know an eyewitness there?

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<v SPEAKER_00>But what if someone knew 500 individuals who had been at that game?

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<v SPEAKER_00>They said, I can get 500 people in front of you, independent of each other, they'll tell you the same story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What if in this wild hypothetical, there became a law in the United States that anyone who believed in the Wilt 100-point game would be imprisoned and possibly executed for that belief, and still everyone at that game held to their faith because they know what they saw, you might start to think, maybe Wilt really did it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, this is the point that Paul's making.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Remember points five and six, the disciples had experiences they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus, and due to these experiences, the disciples' lives were thoroughly transformed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>These cowards who ran away the night he was arrested become the boldest, wisest men who ever walked the earth other than Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They even died for their belief.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is what Paul is saying.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's like, I know these men and women.

00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.279
<v SPEAKER_00>If you can't trust me, go and ask them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Not only that, but they are being imprisoned and persecuted and disowned and even killed for their belief.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And they will not recant because they watched a man die and then walk out of a grave three days later.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, the 500 people who experienced Jesus is impressive, but it's also incredibly noteworthy that two specific people put their faith in Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Remember fact 10.

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<v SPEAKER_00>James, the brother of Jesus, and Paul, who persecuted the Christians, came to belief in Jesus after experiencing an appearance of him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Paul recounts this as well in 1 Corinthians 15.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says he appeared to over 500 at one time, most of them still alive.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Verse 7, then he appeared to James, that's the brother of Jesus, then the apostles, and Paul writes, last of all, he appeared to me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now for me, one of the most convincing proofs of the appearance of Jesus is the conversion of James.

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<v SPEAKER_00>James is the baby brother of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we know that the brothers of Jesus did not believe in him.

00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:13.359
<v SPEAKER_00>As a matter of fact, we see in John's gospel, his brothers are rebuking him, trash talking him, almost making fun of them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I have to imagine this is conjecture, it's not in scripture, let me say that clearly, but I have to imagine that when Jesus died, James as his brother was heartbroken, but there was also a part of him that was like, What did you think was gonna happen?

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<v SPEAKER_00>We tried to tell you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You're stirring the pot, all this I and the Father are one, and I am the way, the truth, and the life.

00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:40.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Like, what did you think was gonna happen?

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<v SPEAKER_00>James was not a believer.

00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:43.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And of course he wasn't.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus was his brother.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I have a sister, I love her very dearly, we're very close, and I'm letting you know right now my sister could walk on water right in front of me, and I still do not believe she's God.

00:21:58.240 --> 00:21:59.279
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm just gonna tell you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>She's my sister, okay?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not buying it.

00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:14.799
<v SPEAKER_00>Like, what would it take for you to believe that your sibling, not that they are made in the image of God, not that they're a godly man or woman, that they are G-O-D in the flesh.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's a high bar.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But Jesus said, I'm going to Jerusalem, they're gonna kill me.

00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:21.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And three days later, I'm gonna walk out of a grave.

00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.160
<v SPEAKER_00>You wanna know how you can trust that I'm actually God?

00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:27.839
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm going to call my shot and pull it off, and he did.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And when Jesus appeared to James, risen from the grave, James put his faith in his brother as the God of the universe.

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<v SPEAKER_00>James became one of the lead apostles, the men who started the church.

00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.400
<v SPEAKER_00>He became the pastor of the church in Jerusalem.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He wrote one of the books of the New Testament.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He went all in.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And what about Paul?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Paul hated Jesus.

00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.240
<v SPEAKER_00>And that is not an overstatement.

00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:03.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Paul made it his life's sole mission to stomp out the movement that Jesus had started.

00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:10.960
<v SPEAKER_00>He traveled the known world, finding, arresting, imprisoning, and persecuting every Christian he could get a hold of.

00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:12.720
<v SPEAKER_00>That was his life's mission.

00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.599
<v SPEAKER_00>And then he met Jesus.

00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:34.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And when he experienced an appearance of the risen Jesus, he turned from his name was actually Saul, the persecutor, into Paul, the apostle, the lead apostle, and the most prominent church planter who changed our world as we know it.

00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.319
<v SPEAKER_00>So how do we explain all this?

00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:45.039
<v SPEAKER_00>How can someone explain away hundreds of people who believed they had seen Jesus in a post-mortem appearance, including his own family and his own enemies?

00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:49.599
<v SPEAKER_00>If the resurrection is true, then we know exactly why those appearances happen.

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:55.279
<v SPEAKER_00>If you do not believe in the resurrection, then you need some kind of reasonable answer.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So far, we have a missing body and reports of meetings, but there are three more facts we haven't dealt with.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Number seven, the proclamation of the resurrection took place very early from the very beginning of church history.

00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:14.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Number eight, the early public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.

00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:20.480
<v SPEAKER_00>And number nine, the gospel message centered on the preaching of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:25.839
<v SPEAKER_00>We have a missing body and reports of meetings and a brand new movement.

00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Now these are facts from ancient history, but they also bring us to today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The movement of Jesus, what came to be called the church over time, started in the same city where they had just murdered Jesus and buried him in a tomb.

00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:43.839
<v SPEAKER_00>And it started to grow.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Immediately it came under persecution, both from the leaders of Israel and from the leaders of the Roman Empire who occupied Israel at that time.

00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Everyone wanted to do something with this movement.

00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.559
<v SPEAKER_00>One of the most dangerous things you could be was a follower of Jesus.

00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.160
<v SPEAKER_00>And yet, the more it was persecuted, the more it grew.

00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:13.680
<v SPEAKER_00>As a matter of fact, even some of the civic and religious leaders put their faith in the crucified carpenter from Nazareth and became a part of the church movement.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It grew and it grew in Jerusalem where Jesus was buried.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And with every leader who held all the power, wanting desperately to end this, if Jesus' body was still decaying in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, they could have just dragged the dead body into the center of town and stopped the church in its tracks.

00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:39.119
<v SPEAKER_00>But they couldn't do that.

00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Because the body wasn't there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And they couldn't stop the movement because people knew that they had seen him.

00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:58.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus' last instructions were to go into all of the world and tell people the good news of what Jesus has done and the salvation that he offers us.

00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:00.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And his followers began to do that.

00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.160
<v SPEAKER_00>And the movement began to spread, and virtually everywhere it spread, it continued to be persecuted.

00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:14.799
<v SPEAKER_00>And the more it was persecuted, the more Christians responded in love, and the brighter their light shone, and the more people were attracted, and the more people believed, and the more the movement grew.

00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.359
<v SPEAKER_00>And this is not a religion that grew because of a book.

00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:24.640
<v SPEAKER_00>The New Testament was not compiled until 300 years later.

00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:30.720
<v SPEAKER_00>This isn't a movement that grew because of force or fear or manipulation or military might.

00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.200
<v SPEAKER_00>It grew under persecution.

00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:41.519
<v SPEAKER_00>This is a movement that started from people who genuinely believe that Jesus walked out of a grave and now offered them eternal life.

00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:51.519
<v SPEAKER_00>You see, there are a lot of convincing arguments that make the resurrection reasonable, but for me, the most convincing argument is you.

00:26:53.519 --> 00:27:09.279
<v SPEAKER_00>And we take it for granted, but it's mind-blowing to me that we are still here, a part of a movement that started 2,000 years ago, because one man died on a cross, was buried, and rose again.

00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:12.160
<v SPEAKER_00>This is the same movement.

00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.640
<v SPEAKER_00>And we are still connected through the same faith.

00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:27.920
<v SPEAKER_00>You see, something that's interesting about Western culture is we were built on the foundation of the resurrection and the movement that it started.

00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:42.319
<v SPEAKER_00>Our ethics, our morality, our worldview, our system of law, our ideas of justice and equality, all of those find their historical catalyst at the tomb of Christ.

00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:43.519
<v SPEAKER_00>All of them.

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:55.680
<v SPEAKER_00>And even though we are a society built on the resurrection, we continue as a culture to walk further and further away from the one who resurrected.

00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:03.359
<v SPEAKER_00>To understand the power of this movement, I want to talk about what our world would look like if Jesus had not risen from his grave.

00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.400
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, I I'm gonna actually read this, okay?

00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:16.799
<v SPEAKER_00>I read a manuscript for every sermon, but if you read my manuscript, I would be embarrassed because the grammar is like really bad because I write it not to be read, and I don't really follow it, so I have to apologize to my production team all the time.

00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.799
<v SPEAKER_00>It's more kind of a suggestion of where I might go during my time up here on stage.

00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:38.319
<v SPEAKER_00>But this actually matters, and I wanna read it because if we could understand how different the world would look if Jesus had not walked out of a grave, we might begin to understand its power and implication for our life as individuals as well.

00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:48.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Imagine a world where hospitals, orphanages, and universities did not emerge from the drive of early Christian communities to care for the sick and the vulnerable.

00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:54.799
<v SPEAKER_00>Consider a reality where the scientific process was not nurtured within the fertile soil of Christian philosophy.

00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:04.240
<v SPEAKER_00>Without the belief that the pursuit of knowledge was a means of understanding God's creation, scientific inquiry would have been stifled and progress all but impossible.

00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:11.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Picture a world where moral and ethical frameworks, as well as our modern legal systems, were not influenced by the teachings of Jesus.

00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:21.200
<v SPEAKER_00>Christian principles of justice and equality were the guiding light, reshaping the world's understandings of right and wrong, justice and mercy, and the sanctity of human life.

00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:31.200
<v SPEAKER_00>Without the foundation of human rights, rooted in the belief that all people are created in the image of God, oppression and injustice would have continued to reign unchecked.

00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:38.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Prior to the revolution brought by the teachings of Jesus, every culture was divided by race and class and gender.

00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.880
<v SPEAKER_00>It stands as a fact of history that it was Jesus and his movement alone that reshaped that understanding.

00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:51.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Imagine a world where literature and language were not enriched by the timeless stories and profound truths of the Bible.

00:29:51.680 --> 00:30:03.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Without the inspiration drawn from biblical narratives, our literacy landscape would lack the depth and meaning, and our languages might lack the richness of expression that comes from centuries of religious influence.

00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:09.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Consider a reality where the education systems were not shaped by the belief in the value of knowledge and learning.

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:16.799
<v SPEAKER_00>Without the legacy of Christian scholarship and the establishment of educational institutions, our intellectual pursuits would lack purpose and direction.

00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:24.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Reflect on a world where social welfare systems were not shaped by the belief in the value of in the teachings of Jesus.

00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:33.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Without the imperative to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and care for the marginalized, our communities would lack the spirit of generosity and service that binds us together.

00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.200
<v SPEAKER_00>The historical reality is undeniable.

00:30:37.599 --> 00:31:03.279
<v SPEAKER_00>The reason that we have hospitals, orphanages, universities, the scientific process, the enlightenment, human rights, ethical frameworks of justice, diversity and equality, charities and health ministries, women's and minority rights, they all trace back to a movement of people who genuinely believe that a Jewish carpenter named Jesus walked out of a grave 2,000 years ago and offered us life and freedom.

00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:14.480
<v SPEAKER_00>The question today is whether or not the resurrection is reasonable.

00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:24.640
<v SPEAKER_00>What we have as a consensus across both believers and atheistic scholars are ten historical facts.

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.160
<v SPEAKER_00>These facts must be explained somehow.

00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.559
<v SPEAKER_00>You see, everyone is looking for something that they can put their faith in.

00:31:51.519 --> 00:32:00.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And maybe you have bought the lie at some level that you don't need faith, faith is for religious people who are not self-sufficient enough to just navigate life on their own.

00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:06.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And religion is just the opium of the masses, it's just keeping people in line and trying to control them.

00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.400
<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what's real you cannot live without faith.

00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:15.359
<v SPEAKER_00>You will have something that is the highest thing you believe in.

00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.000
<v SPEAKER_00>You will have some kind of ideal.

00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.920
<v SPEAKER_00>If not, you literally cannot organize your life.

00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.880
<v SPEAKER_00>You can't find purpose, you can't get out of bed.

00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:26.799
<v SPEAKER_00>You will believe in something.

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:34.640
<v SPEAKER_00>The question is whether or not that thing can hold the weight of your hope, your faith, and your future.

00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:44.799
<v SPEAKER_00>If you live long enough, you will try different paths that the world offers you with the promise of purpose and fulfillment and hope.

00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.279
<v SPEAKER_00>And those things, given enough time, will let you down.

00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:55.519
<v SPEAKER_00>There is nothing in this world that can hold the weight of your hope or your future.

00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:03.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus stepped out of heaven and into our world because we all need something to believe in.

00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:22.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Because Jesus had lived perfectly, he was the perfect sacrifice, the one sacrifice that could cover the price of our sin forever.

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:34.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus went to a cross to demonstrate how valuable you are to God, how deeply you are loved, and how much purpose you could experience if you would submit your life to God.

00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:48.720
<v SPEAKER_00>And then he walked out of a grave three days later to demonstrate that he was not bluffing when he said, Anyone that believes in me will never die, but will have eternal life.

00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:53.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Don't believe me, watch me walk out of a grave.

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.359
<v SPEAKER_00>We all need something to believe in, and God is transcendent.

00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:58.960
<v SPEAKER_00>He's bigger than big.

00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:09.920
<v SPEAKER_00>He can hold the weight of your hope and your faith and your future because he exists outside of us, outside of our reality, outside of this world.

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:24.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And yet, the God who is transcendent, who is bigger than big, came down to us, got smaller than small, lived in the midst of our brokenness, and the creator of all allowed the creation to nail him to a cross.

00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And this is how you know how much God loves you.

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:39.920
<v SPEAKER_00>That while we were still sinners, still in rebellion, still trying to live as our own gods, Christ died for us.

00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:45.280
<v SPEAKER_00>He was put in a tomb, and that tomb is empty to this day.

00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:55.039
<v SPEAKER_00>You can try to put your faith in another religion, but you can go to the graves of those religions' founders, and their bodies are in those graves.

00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.039
<v SPEAKER_00>You can go today to the grave of Christ and you will find it empty.

00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:06.159
<v SPEAKER_00>And there are men and women who experienced Jesus, and they said, I will put my life on it, and a movement started.

00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:14.239
<v SPEAKER_00>And the more the movement was persecuted, the more it grew just like Jesus said it would.

00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:15.760
<v SPEAKER_00>You can live with hope.

00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.719
<v SPEAKER_00>You can come under all the suffering that this world brings our way and still live with peace.

00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.079
<v SPEAKER_00>You can experience true purpose and true fulfillment.

00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.440
<v SPEAKER_00>It starts with putting your faith in Christ.

00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.119
<v SPEAKER_00>This is how much God loved you.

00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:36.639
<v SPEAKER_00>That he sent his one and only Son Jesus to do for you what you could not do for yourself.

00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.360
<v SPEAKER_00>And all he asks is for your faith.

00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:48.559
<v SPEAKER_00>He is not the gods of false religions who sit at arm's length, drop down a ladder, and dare you to try and climb it.

00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:55.199
<v SPEAKER_00>He's a God who loves you so much that he came down to you, died for you, and just wants you to believe.

00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:56.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Would you pray with me?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Wherever you're at, you could close your eyes and bow your head, just create some space for reflection.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And perhaps you've just always found it so unreasonable to believe in an ancient carpenter, beaten within an inch of his life, nailed to a cross, spear through his side, obviously dead.

00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:26.400
<v SPEAKER_00>Maybe you found it unreasonable to believe that he could miraculously come back to life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Maybe you haven't made room in your worldview for miracles, and yet nothing in this world ultimately can satisfy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the more you try to pursue the prescriptions of the culture around you, the more hollow and empty you feel.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Perhaps even today you have felt the Holy Spirit of God pressing in on you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus said, I stand at the door and I knock.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I knock and I knock and I knock.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But he won't kick the door down.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He could, he's God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's patient, presses in on you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>When you pay attention, he presses in on you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>When you seek him, he presses in on you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he just knocks and knocks and knocks, hoping that you might let him in.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I wonder if there's anyone who is here today or who's watching online who has never had a moment in their life where they have put their faith in Jesus, where they have recognized, I do believe you're God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I believe you're my only hope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You are the answer to what comes after this life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I believe you died for me and rose again.

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:58.480
<v SPEAKER_00>If you've never had a moment where you've put your faith in Jesus, then scripture tells us you are spiritually dead.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You're separated from your Heavenly Father, who loves you so much that he would give his life for you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you're here today and you are ready to make the decision, I want to put my faith in Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>With everyone's eyes closed around the room, I'm gonna ask you for a moment of courage right now to just lift your hand up where I can see it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Just a signal that today is my day, amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I am ready to put my faith in Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Praise God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>With hands up all over the room, I want you to know that God sees your faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That Jesus sees your faith and receives it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That you, just like me, that you're covered in sin, and yet now you have been clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Your sins, past, present, and future, have been forgiven.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You've been given eternal life, and that is a promise that you will have forever and ever.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And God does not break his promises.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here's what I want to do.

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<v SPEAKER_00>For those of you who raised a hand, I want to help you acknowledge this moment of faith.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I want you to pray this prayer with me, and I'm gonna ask every believer in the room to pray it with me as well.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's pray this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus, today I choose to put my faith in you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I thank you for loving me, for giving my sins.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I believe you are God that you came to earth, died for my sins, and I believe you rose again.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I thank you for a new eternal life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now let me pray over you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Heavenly Father, I try to even imagine the celebration that happens in heaven when your children come home.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You are the God who said, I will leave the 99 sheep who are found to go after the one who is lost.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You are the one who stepped from heaven to earth to bring us back in relationship with you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You are the one who took the nails for us to give us new life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so, God, I thank you for spiritual death becoming a new creation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I pray that today is not just the end of something, but the beginning of a new life, following you, Jesus, and finding out what it means to live on purpose and with purpose.

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<v SPEAKER_00>God, I pray they'd stay close to their church, your body, your movement.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That you'd be with them in the seasons of suffering, that they would find you in it, that you'd be with them in the times where they stumble and trip and fall, that their spiritual community would help pick them up and set them on the path.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right back into following you and all that you have for them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We love you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We celebrate you, Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We pray it all in your name, and everyone say, Amen, and give the Lord a hand.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, God's doing something.

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<v SPEAKER_00>God is doing something.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Thanks so much for listening to the message today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Man, I love you guys, and I hope you have a great rest of your day.
