{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":64.44,"endTime":65.76,"body":"Welcome to the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":64.44,"endTime":65.76,"body":"Chefs Without Restaurants"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":65.76,"endTime":69.21,"body":"podcast. I'm your host Chris"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":65.76,"endTime":69.21,"body":"Spear. On the show, I have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":69.21,"endTime":71.85,"body":"conversations with culinary"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":69.21,"endTime":71.85,"body":"entrepreneurs and people in the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":71.85,"endTime":74.64,"body":"food and beverage industry who"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":71.85,"endTime":74.64,"body":"took a different route. They're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":74.64,"endTime":78.63,"body":"caterers, research chefs,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":74.64,"endTime":78.63,"body":"personal chefs cookbook authors,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":78.66,"endTime":82.59,"body":"food truckers, farmers, cottage"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":78.66,"endTime":82.59,"body":"bakers and all sorts of culinary"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":82.59,"endTime":86.37,"body":"renegades. I myself fall into"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":82.59,"endTime":86.37,"body":"the personal chef category, as I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":86.37,"endTime":88.98,"body":"started my personal chef"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":86.37,"endTime":88.98,"body":"business perfect little bites 10"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":88.98,"endTime":91.95,"body":"years ago. And while I started"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":88.98,"endTime":91.95,"body":"working in kitchens in the early"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":91.95,"endTime":94.29,"body":"90s, I've never worked in a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":91.95,"endTime":94.29,"body":"restaurant unless you count"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":94.29,"endTime":98.28,"body":"Burger King. This week, we have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":94.29,"endTime":98.28,"body":"Krystal Mack. She's a culinary"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":98.28,"endTime":102.18,"body":"artist, creative consultant,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":98.28,"endTime":102.18,"body":"entrepreneur, writer, self"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":102.18,"endTime":105.45,"body":"taught baker, and activist who"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":102.18,"endTime":105.45,"body":"uses food as a vehicle for"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":105.45,"endTime":109.41,"body":"storytelling, cultural exchange,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":105.45,"endTime":109.41,"body":"and community building. Based in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":109.41,"endTime":111.78,"body":"Baltimore, Maryland, she's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":109.41,"endTime":111.78,"body":"launched multiple brands and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":111.78,"endTime":114.69,"body":"concepts over the years,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":111.78,"endTime":114.69,"body":"including an experimental frozen"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":114.69,"endTime":117.87,"body":"dessert concept, Baltimore's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":114.69,"endTime":117.87,"body":"first ever food vending"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":117.87,"endTime":120.87,"body":"tricycle, and an artisan"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":117.87,"endTime":120.87,"body":"collective for creatives of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":120.87,"endTime":123.87,"body":"color. In this episode, we"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":120.87,"endTime":123.87,"body":"talked about using food as a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":123.87,"endTime":126.99,"body":"tool for social design,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":123.87,"endTime":126.99,"body":"decolonizing our relationship"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":126.99,"endTime":131.82,"body":"with food, imposter syndrome,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":126.99,"endTime":131.82,"body":"culinary traditions, ethnic food"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":131.82,"endTime":135.96,"body":"and classical cooking,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":131.82,"endTime":135.96,"body":"collaborations, food influencers"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":135.99,"endTime":138.84,"body":"and so much more. And I wanted"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":135.99,"endTime":138.84,"body":"to mention that during the show,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":138.84,"endTime":141.45,"body":"Krystal had an incoming phone"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":138.84,"endTime":141.45,"body":"call. So there's a spot that"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":141.45,"endTime":144.84,"body":"seems to abruptly end, and then"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":141.45,"endTime":144.84,"body":"start up somewhere in a kind of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":144.84,"endTime":147.6,"body":"unrelated place. I wanted to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":144.84,"endTime":147.6,"body":"clarify that we didn't cut her"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":147.6,"endTime":150.96,"body":"off when she seemed to be"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":147.6,"endTime":150.96,"body":"talking about her Patreon. We do"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":150.96,"endTime":153.57,"body":"get into that a little bit again"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":150.96,"endTime":153.57,"body":"at the end of the show, but just"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":153.57,"endTime":156.21,"body":"wanted to mention that. And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":153.57,"endTime":156.21,"body":"thanks to this week's sponsor"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":156.21,"endTime":158.85,"body":"the Grotto in Baltimore for"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":156.21,"endTime":158.85,"body":"letting us record the episode in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":158.85,"endTime":161.88,"body":"the studio. And if you enjoy the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":158.85,"endTime":161.88,"body":"show, I'd really love for you to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":161.88,"endTime":164.67,"body":"subscribe to it. And if you're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":161.88,"endTime":164.67,"body":"on iTunes, give it a rating and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":164.67,"endTime":167.34,"body":"a review. Thanks so much for"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":164.67,"endTime":167.34,"body":"listening, and have a great"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":167.34,"endTime":167.73,"body":"week."},{"speaker":"Andrew Wilkinson","startTime":168.09,"endTime":169.68,"body":"Welcome back"},{"speaker":"Andrew Wilkinson","startTime":168.09,"endTime":169.68,"body":"to the Chefs Without Restaurants"},{"speaker":"Andrew Wilkinson","startTime":169.68,"endTime":173.52,"body":"podcast. I'm Andrew."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":171.36,"endTime":172.8,"body":"And this is Chris."},{"speaker":"Andrew Wilkinson","startTime":172.8,"endTime":175.375,"body":"And we're here"},{"speaker":"Andrew Wilkinson","startTime":172.8,"endTime":175.375,"body":"at the Grotto in Baltimore. Our"},{"speaker":"Andrew Wilkinson","startTime":175.431,"endTime":178.23,"body":"guest today is Krystal Mack."},{"speaker":"Andrew Wilkinson","startTime":175.431,"endTime":178.23,"body":"Thank you for coming."},{"speaker":"Krystal Mack","startTime":178.26,"endTime":180.06,"body":"Yeah, no problem."},{"speaker":"Krystal Mack","startTime":178.26,"endTime":180.06,"body":"Thanks for having me."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":180.09,"endTime":183.78,"body":"Yeah, of course. We're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":180.09,"endTime":183.78,"body":"glad to be here today. Yeah. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":183.78,"endTime":186.48,"body":"guess just let us know who is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":183.78,"endTime":186.48,"body":"crystal mag. I could sit here"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":186.48,"endTime":188.79,"body":"and introduce you're part of a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":186.48,"endTime":188.79,"body":"lot of cool projects. And you've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":188.79,"endTime":192.12,"body":"done a lot of cool things,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":188.79,"endTime":192.12,"body":"presidencies, businesses, all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":192.12,"endTime":194.7,"body":"types of stuff. Yeah. Well, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":194.7,"endTime":201.27,"body":"am a Baltimore native. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":194.7,"endTime":201.27,"body":"guess, you know, this is a Chefs"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":201.27,"endTime":208.11,"body":"Without Restaurants podcast. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":201.27,"endTime":208.11,"body":"I am a chef. I'm a chef, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":208.14,"endTime":214.74,"body":"mostly a social designer that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":208.14,"endTime":214.74,"body":"uses food to kind of engage with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":215.19,"endTime":219.6,"body":"issues facing us as people in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":215.19,"endTime":219.6,"body":"the society that we live in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":220.32,"endTime":225.48,"body":"political issues, emotional"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":220.32,"endTime":225.48,"body":"issues, anything of that nature."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":225.81,"endTime":229.53,"body":"I like to use food as a way to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":225.81,"endTime":229.53,"body":"tell stories around those"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":229.53,"endTime":236.4,"body":"specific themes. And I arrived"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":229.53,"endTime":236.4,"body":"at that profession, after just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":236.4,"endTime":241.5,"body":"kind of feeling disgruntled with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":236.4,"endTime":241.5,"body":"my place in the traditional food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":241.5,"endTime":245.28,"body":"industry, so like hospitality,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":241.5,"endTime":245.28,"body":"and all capacities, as a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":245.28,"endTime":250.77,"body":"business owner, as a line cook,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":245.28,"endTime":250.77,"body":"as a front of house person. I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":250.8,"endTime":255.81,"body":"just really trying to find a way"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":250.8,"endTime":255.81,"body":"to find my place in those roles"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":255.87,"endTime":259.47,"body":"in hospitality and just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":255.87,"endTime":259.47,"body":"realizing that I wasn't meant to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":259.47,"endTime":264.3,"body":"be in hospitality, at least not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":259.47,"endTime":264.3,"body":"in the traditional sense. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":264.54,"endTime":269.76,"body":"that was, that was kind of how I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":264.54,"endTime":269.76,"body":"came to exploring the idea of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":269.76,"endTime":275.31,"body":"using food as a tool for design,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":269.76,"endTime":275.31,"body":"social design. And pretty much"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":275.61,"endTime":280.05,"body":"my approach to social design,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":275.61,"endTime":280.05,"body":"which is how we engage with one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":280.05,"endTime":285.06,"body":"another how to make human life"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":280.05,"endTime":285.06,"body":"better, is to decolonize our"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":285.06,"endTime":288.72,"body":"relationships with food. And for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":285.06,"endTime":288.72,"body":"me, that's just been a huge"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":288.72,"endTime":293.25,"body":"process of my growth as an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":288.72,"endTime":293.25,"body":"individual as crystal as myself,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":293.94,"endTime":298.53,"body":"just this whole decolonization"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":293.94,"endTime":298.53,"body":"process, which has been really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":298.53,"endTime":301.56,"body":"interesting because you know, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":298.53,"endTime":301.56,"body":"think we were just talking about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":301.56,"endTime":305.79,"body":"how everything is so gray. It's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":301.56,"endTime":305.79,"body":"like so much gray areas as far"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":305.79,"endTime":309.54,"body":"as like, our values and the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":305.79,"endTime":309.54,"body":"things that we believe in, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":309.54,"endTime":313.02,"body":"no one is, like entirely black"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":309.54,"endTime":313.02,"body":"and no one's entirely white was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":313.02,"endTime":314.94,"body":"like the things that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":313.02,"endTime":314.94,"body":"believe in, it's kind of like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":314.94,"endTime":321.15,"body":"living in the gray. And that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":314.94,"endTime":321.15,"body":"how I feel that I, I'm just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":321.15,"endTime":323.73,"body":"naive. And that's how I feel. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":321.15,"endTime":323.73,"body":"used to think I was very, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":323.73,"endTime":326.16,"body":"firm in my beliefs and values."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":323.73,"endTime":326.16,"body":"And then this whole"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":326.16,"endTime":329.91,"body":"decolonization process made me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":326.16,"endTime":329.91,"body":"realize, like, wow, like, You,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":329.91,"endTime":333.51,"body":"too, are a part of the problem,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":329.91,"endTime":333.51,"body":"which is fine to have that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":334.11,"endTime":336.66,"body":"realization, but also, like now"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":334.11,"endTime":336.66,"body":"that you realize, like, what are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":336.66,"endTime":341.37,"body":"you going to do? And, for me,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":336.66,"endTime":341.37,"body":"it's always just been about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":341.37,"endTime":345.57,"body":"living in my truth, and walking"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":341.37,"endTime":345.57,"body":"away from things that didn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":345.57,"endTime":350.19,"body":"serve me. And speaking out"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":345.57,"endTime":350.19,"body":"against the issues that I saw"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":350.19,"endTime":355.68,"body":"that were harmful, not only to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":350.19,"endTime":355.68,"body":"myself, but to the vision that I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":355.68,"endTime":359.94,"body":"had for the food industry that I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":355.68,"endTime":359.94,"body":"wanted to see, or the food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":359.94,"endTime":364.77,"body":"community that I wanted to have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":359.94,"endTime":364.77,"body":"or be a part of. So that is the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":364.77,"endTime":369.06,"body":"way I rambled on it. But that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":364.77,"endTime":369.06,"body":"why, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":369.12,"endTime":372.42,"body":"know, this is definitely a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":369.12,"endTime":372.42,"body":"pretty good explanation. And it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":372.42,"endTime":376.02,"body":"really seems like with that,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":372.42,"endTime":376.02,"body":"you're kind of like, I don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":376.02,"endTime":382.14,"body":"know, what maybe influences you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":376.02,"endTime":382.14,"body":"have, or who inspired you. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":382.14,"endTime":386.28,"body":"it seems to me like you're just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":382.14,"endTime":386.28,"body":"carving a completely new path in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":386.28,"endTime":389.22,"body":"the food industry that I mean,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":386.28,"endTime":389.22,"body":"I've I'm not like an expert or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":389.22,"endTime":392.19,"body":"anything, but I've never seen"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":389.22,"endTime":392.19,"body":"anything like it before."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":393.66,"endTime":396.96,"body":"Yeah, I feel like well, the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":393.66,"endTime":396.96,"body":"funny thing is, when you asked"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":396.96,"endTime":402.03,"body":"me to be on, I was like, Yes,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":396.96,"endTime":402.03,"body":"absolutely. And I was like, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":402.03,"endTime":406.41,"body":"amercia. And then I realized, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":402.03,"endTime":406.41,"body":"was like, Yeah, I am a chef. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":406.41,"endTime":409.5,"body":"that's something I constantly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":406.41,"endTime":409.5,"body":"struggle with a lot, which is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":409.5,"endTime":412.62,"body":"part of the, again, the whole"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":409.5,"endTime":412.62,"body":"decolonization process, because"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":412.62,"endTime":417.24,"body":"we have this very, or we're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":412.62,"endTime":417.24,"body":"conditioned as food people to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":417.24,"endTime":420.57,"body":"have this very colonized view of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":417.24,"endTime":420.57,"body":"like, what is chef? Chef is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":420.57,"endTime":423.93,"body":"right? It's like, Chef, where's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":420.57,"endTime":423.93,"body":"a chef coat, oftentimes, they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":423.93,"endTime":428.01,"body":"have a little hat, that maybe"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":423.93,"endTime":428.01,"body":"anymore, but you know, mostly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":428.01,"endTime":430.11,"body":"French kitchens, but they have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":428.01,"endTime":430.11,"body":"the chef's coat, they have a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":430.11,"endTime":433.02,"body":"brand, they're working in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":430.11,"endTime":433.02,"body":"restaurant, traditionally, they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":433.02,"endTime":436.5,"body":"work on the line, they have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":433.02,"endTime":436.5,"body":"people that report to them on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":436.5,"endTime":439.65,"body":"the line, you know, thinking of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":436.5,"endTime":439.65,"body":"this very, like traditional,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":439.65,"endTime":443.16,"body":"very colonized view of what that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":439.65,"endTime":443.16,"body":"looks like. But then I realized"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":443.16,"endTime":448.08,"body":"that that didn't apply to me."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":443.16,"endTime":448.08,"body":"And that that was fine. But that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":448.08,"endTime":451.47,"body":"doesn't, you know, in my mind, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":448.08,"endTime":451.47,"body":"was like, well, I, I'm not a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":451.47,"endTime":454.32,"body":"chef. And that's cool. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":451.47,"endTime":454.32,"body":"that's okay. But then I was also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":454.32,"endTime":457.11,"body":"like, Well, actually, you are a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":454.32,"endTime":457.11,"body":"chef, you're just not a very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":457.11,"endTime":461.22,"body":"like colonized version of a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":457.11,"endTime":461.22,"body":"chef, which you should be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":461.22,"endTime":463.8,"body":"embracing, you shouldn't run"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":461.22,"endTime":463.8,"body":"away from that title. I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":463.8,"endTime":468.18,"body":"running away from it for so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":463.8,"endTime":468.18,"body":"long. And I think in 2020, I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":468.18,"endTime":471.81,"body":"like, No, you need to like stand"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":468.18,"endTime":471.81,"body":"in your truth and stop running"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":471.81,"endTime":476.58,"body":"away from how how people can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":471.81,"endTime":476.58,"body":"understand what it is that you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":476.58,"endTime":479.58,"body":"do. And that's when I was like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":476.58,"endTime":479.58,"body":"which is now this is like the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":479.58,"endTime":482.91,"body":"first time in a long time, I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":479.58,"endTime":482.91,"body":"like, I am a chef. Yes. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":482.91,"endTime":485.91,"body":"even I guess even when we go"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":482.91,"endTime":485.91,"body":"back and replay this, you'll"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":485.91,"endTime":491.01,"body":"probably hear some hesitation in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":485.91,"endTime":491.01,"body":"me saying I'm a chef. I still am"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":491.01,"endTime":494.16,"body":"getting comfortable with that."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":491.01,"endTime":494.16,"body":"And also understanding that I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":494.16,"endTime":497.85,"body":"can hold the title of something,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":494.16,"endTime":497.85,"body":"but not present in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":497.85,"endTime":501.06,"body":"traditional way, what that role"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":497.85,"endTime":501.06,"body":"would normally look like to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":501.06,"endTime":505.56,"body":"people, and even in claiming and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":501.06,"endTime":505.56,"body":"that is an education, for myself"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":505.56,"endTime":509.79,"body":"and for others to see. Like you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":505.56,"endTime":509.79,"body":"don't have to be in a restaurant"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":509.82,"endTime":514.47,"body":"to be a chef, you don't have to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":509.82,"endTime":514.47,"body":"operate like a large catering"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":514.5,"endTime":518.94,"body":"operation. And you don't have to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":514.5,"endTime":518.94,"body":"have a team that you lead"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":519.39,"endTime":523.05,"body":"online, it can be very much an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":519.39,"endTime":523.05,"body":"intimate experience where you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":523.05,"endTime":527.19,"body":"engaging and educating the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":523.05,"endTime":527.19,"body":"public in ways beyond"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":527.19,"endTime":529.41,"body":"consumption and a dining"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":527.19,"endTime":529.41,"body":"experience."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":529.74,"endTime":531.33,"body":"That's what I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":529.74,"endTime":531.33,"body":"wanted to start this, you know,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":531.33,"endTime":534.51,"body":"I never had a traditional. So I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":531.33,"endTime":534.51,"body":"went to culinary school and I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":534.51,"endTime":537.54,"body":"have a four year degree. But"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":534.51,"endTime":537.54,"body":"then I started doing things like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":537.57,"endTime":540.06,"body":"working in retirement"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":537.57,"endTime":540.06,"body":"communities. I cooked at IKEA,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":540.09,"endTime":543.0,"body":"but like, when people say what"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":540.09,"endTime":543.0,"body":"do you do, you'd say I'm a chef,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":543.0,"endTime":546.3,"body":"and they get this excited look"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":543.0,"endTime":546.3,"body":"in their eyes, like ooh, where"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":546.3,"endTime":548.13,"body":"and it's like, I work in a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":546.3,"endTime":548.13,"body":"retirement community that's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":548.13,"endTime":552.18,"body":"like, like, they want to hear"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":548.13,"endTime":552.18,"body":"this story. Like in their mind,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":552.21,"endTime":555.06,"body":"a chef exclusively worked in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":552.21,"endTime":555.06,"body":"this like Michelin star"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":555.06,"endTime":557.94,"body":"restaurant, and have worked in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":555.06,"endTime":557.94,"body":"some really cool places and done"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":557.94,"endTime":561.06,"body":"some great stuff. And some of it"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":557.94,"endTime":561.06,"body":"was almost like me, I don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":561.06,"endTime":563.52,"body":"know, like reconciling the fact"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":561.06,"endTime":563.52,"body":"that I was a chef, even though I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":563.52,"endTime":566.34,"body":"didn't work at restaurants. But"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":563.52,"endTime":566.34,"body":"I consistently felt like I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":566.34,"endTime":569.61,"body":"wasn't a chef, because that's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":566.34,"endTime":569.61,"body":"how people outside the industry"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":569.61,"endTime":574.59,"body":"made me feel about myself. But"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":569.61,"endTime":574.59,"body":"then I'm 43 so I see a lot of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":574.62,"endTime":577.29,"body":"people my age, kind of like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":574.62,"endTime":577.29,"body":"aging out right like that."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":577.41,"endTime":579.72,"body":"They're not working till two in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":577.41,"endTime":579.72,"body":"the morning and they're tired"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":579.72,"endTime":582.06,"body":"and all that and they're doing"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":579.72,"endTime":582.06,"body":"these really cool things. And I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":582.06,"endTime":585.03,"body":"really wanted to have a place"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":582.06,"endTime":585.03,"body":"for all of us to connect, maybe"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":585.03,"endTime":588.03,"body":"commiserate help each other out,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":585.03,"endTime":588.03,"body":"especially as so many of us are"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":588.03,"endTime":591.75,"body":"solopreneurs but also to tell"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":588.03,"endTime":591.75,"body":"these cool stories and maybe"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":591.75,"endTime":594.96,"body":"inspire some younger people and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":591.75,"endTime":594.96,"body":"make them rethink like maybe you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":594.96,"endTime":597.99,"body":"don't need to go to culinary"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":594.96,"endTime":597.99,"body":"school maybe maybe you're not"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":597.99,"endTime":600.96,"body":"meant to ever work or live in a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":597.99,"endTime":600.96,"body":"restaurant like this. So many"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":600.96,"endTime":604.11,"body":"awesome cool things out there."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":600.96,"endTime":604.11,"body":"And I just with the podcast, I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":604.11,"endTime":607.35,"body":"wanted people to come on and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":604.11,"endTime":607.35,"body":"share their stories. And I'm not"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":607.35,"endTime":610.35,"body":"interested in having line cooks"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":607.35,"endTime":610.35,"body":"at restaurants, I mean, we've"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":610.35,"endTime":613.74,"body":"had some will. But I'm really"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":610.35,"endTime":613.74,"body":"interested in people telling the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":613.74,"endTime":616.53,"body":"story of like what they're doing"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":613.74,"endTime":616.53,"body":"in the food world that does not"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":616.53,"endTime":619.8,"body":"relate to working a traditional"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":616.53,"endTime":619.8,"body":"restaurant job."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":620.58,"endTime":623.04,"body":"I feel like that is the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":620.58,"endTime":623.04,"body":"thing about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":624.6,"endTime":627.57,"body":"I don't know, the industry"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":624.6,"endTime":627.57,"body":"itself it is. So I feel like it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":627.57,"endTime":632.94,"body":"draws so many different types of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":627.57,"endTime":632.94,"body":"people. But I find that as you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":633.24,"endTime":636.03,"body":"link once you enter in that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":633.24,"endTime":636.03,"body":"industry, and then you kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":636.36,"endTime":639.72,"body":"work through it, like he said,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":636.36,"endTime":639.72,"body":"You either age out, or you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":639.72,"endTime":643.83,"body":"just kind of fine, where you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":639.72,"endTime":643.83,"body":"are, and you don't really go"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":643.83,"endTime":646.68,"body":"beyond that, where you start to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":643.83,"endTime":646.68,"body":"kind of question like, Is this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":646.68,"endTime":649.74,"body":"it? This is all there is like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":646.68,"endTime":649.74,"body":"how can I create more for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":649.74,"endTime":653.25,"body":"myself, and oftentimes,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":649.74,"endTime":653.25,"body":"unfortunately, especially from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":653.25,"endTime":658.32,"body":"my own personal experience, as a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":653.25,"endTime":658.32,"body":"black woman, it is hard to kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":658.32,"endTime":661.41,"body":"of work your way up to the top,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":658.32,"endTime":661.41,"body":"you know, we get less investment"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":661.44,"endTime":664.86,"body":"or businesses. So the likelihood"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":661.44,"endTime":664.86,"body":"of like, starting at a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":664.86,"endTime":667.74,"body":"restaurant, and like working"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":664.86,"endTime":667.74,"body":"your way up to executive chef,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":667.95,"endTime":670.35,"body":"and then someone seeing your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":667.95,"endTime":670.35,"body":"talents as executive staff and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":670.35,"endTime":672.45,"body":"being like, hey, I want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":670.35,"endTime":672.45,"body":"invest in you and help you open"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":672.45,"endTime":676.56,"body":"a restaurant that is very rare"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":672.45,"endTime":676.56,"body":"when it happens. And, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":676.56,"endTime":680.94,"body":"so, to me, it's always been"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":676.56,"endTime":680.94,"body":"like, Okay, I gotta make my own"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":680.94,"endTime":683.67,"body":"way, I gotta make my own"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":680.94,"endTime":683.67,"body":"opportunity. I've always, I've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":683.67,"endTime":687.93,"body":"always kind of been very much"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":683.67,"endTime":687.93,"body":"aware of that. And I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":687.93,"endTime":691.74,"body":"that's a cool and beautiful"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":687.93,"endTime":691.74,"body":"thing about being in food today,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":691.74,"endTime":694.59,"body":"right now, like, a lot of us are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":691.74,"endTime":694.59,"body":"just kind of creating our own"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":694.59,"endTime":698.67,"body":"communities and kind of showing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":694.59,"endTime":698.67,"body":"what we want to have what we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":698.67,"endTime":703.41,"body":"want the future of food to look"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":698.67,"endTime":703.41,"body":"like. And it definitely is a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":705.69,"endTime":709.38,"body":"it's just a really exciting"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":705.69,"endTime":709.38,"body":"time. And I'm really honored to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":709.38,"endTime":715.02,"body":"be doing what I'm doing now. At"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":709.38,"endTime":715.02,"body":"a time where, you know, changes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":715.02,"endTime":720.75,"body":"being accepted and different"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":715.02,"endTime":720.75,"body":"approaches are immediately like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":721.53,"endTime":724.59,"body":"like looked at in a way of like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":721.53,"endTime":724.59,"body":"what is this? This is too weird"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":724.59,"endTime":730.92,"body":"to even be considered a food job"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":724.59,"endTime":730.92,"body":"or a food career. But I don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":730.92,"endTime":732.15,"body":"know, it's been really exciting."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":732.18,"endTime":735.93,"body":"Yeah, I think there still is a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":732.18,"endTime":735.93,"body":"level of that going on. But, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":735.93,"endTime":739.26,"body":"that's kind of the whole reason"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":735.93,"endTime":739.26,"body":"that I approached Chris and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":739.26,"endTime":744.18,"body":"wanted to do this is to like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":739.26,"endTime":744.18,"body":"with us in the industry, who"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":744.18,"endTime":747.03,"body":"we're actually making food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":744.18,"endTime":747.03,"body":"define, you know, like what it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":747.03,"endTime":754.17,"body":"means to, to be a chef or just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":747.03,"endTime":754.17,"body":"navigate how we see fit, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":754.17,"endTime":757.68,"body":"know, and like me, personally, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":754.17,"endTime":757.68,"body":"have imposter syndrome. Chris"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":757.68,"endTime":759.93,"body":"made me feel a lot better about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":757.68,"endTime":759.93,"body":"it when I first met him, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":759.93,"endTime":763.56,"body":"like, I don't have any type of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":759.93,"endTime":763.56,"body":"formal training in cooking at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":763.56,"endTime":765.87,"body":"all. I mean, well, in high"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":763.56,"endTime":765.87,"body":"school, I took commercial foods,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":766.32,"endTime":770.07,"body":"a couple, a couple classes,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":766.32,"endTime":770.07,"body":"shout out to Chef zachman he"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":770.07,"endTime":773.19,"body":"might even listen to this, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":770.07,"endTime":773.19,"body":"don't know. But um, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":773.19,"endTime":776.07,"body":"like, I don't have I didn't even"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":773.19,"endTime":776.07,"body":"really work in restaurants. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":776.07,"endTime":779.91,"body":"didn't, I didn't work in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":776.07,"endTime":779.91,"body":"restaurants. My first job was in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":779.91,"endTime":783.36,"body":"high school at a cheesesteak"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":779.91,"endTime":783.36,"body":"place. And then I was like, so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":783.36,"endTime":786.84,"body":"weak, because that's more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":783.36,"endTime":786.84,"body":"profitable. And then my next"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":786.84,"endTime":791.49,"body":"kitchen job was literally in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":786.84,"endTime":791.49,"body":"jail. And then that's, that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":791.49,"endTime":794.34,"body":"how that's like, I mean, that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":791.49,"endTime":794.34,"body":"not my whole journey with food."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":794.34,"endTime":799.35,"body":"But that's like, where it really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":794.34,"endTime":799.35,"body":"started. And, you know, I'm kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":799.35,"endTime":802.05,"body":"of like starting from scratch."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":799.35,"endTime":802.05,"body":"So I have this imposter syndrome"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":802.05,"endTime":806.01,"body":"of like, how can I call myself a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":802.05,"endTime":806.01,"body":"chef? Where I'm like, my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":806.01,"endTime":808.32,"body":"experience is totally different"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":806.01,"endTime":808.32,"body":"than most people who would say"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":808.32,"endTime":812.7,"body":"that they were. But it's really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":808.32,"endTime":812.7,"body":"like, about self education and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":813.3,"endTime":815.61,"body":"what you do with it? Yeah. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":815.88,"endTime":820.98,"body":"I think that's the thing we've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":815.88,"endTime":820.98,"body":"taken away from not we I feel"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":820.98,"endTime":825.12,"body":"like when we look at these very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":820.98,"endTime":825.12,"body":"like be systems and the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":825.12,"endTime":830.07,"body":"structures that have kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":825.12,"endTime":830.07,"body":"these very, like narrow views of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":830.07,"endTime":834.12,"body":"like what something is supposed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":830.07,"endTime":834.12,"body":"to look like, it can it creates"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":834.12,"endTime":837.3,"body":"imposter syndrome, which is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":834.12,"endTime":837.3,"body":"actually its intention, because"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":837.3,"endTime":839.67,"body":"if there was no imposter"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":837.3,"endTime":839.67,"body":"syndrome, and everybody will be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":839.67,"endTime":842.43,"body":"out here doing whatever they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":839.67,"endTime":842.43,"body":"wanted to do, and that's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":842.43,"endTime":846.18,"body":"good. if everyone's doing it or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":842.43,"endTime":846.18,"body":"whatever they wanted to do, then"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":846.18,"endTime":848.91,"body":"there will be an oversaturation"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":846.18,"endTime":848.91,"body":"and then there would not be a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":848.91,"endTime":854.31,"body":"way for a very small percentage"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":848.91,"endTime":854.31,"body":"of people to find success, grow"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":854.31,"endTime":859.29,"body":"and grow profit and make a lot"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":854.31,"endTime":859.29,"body":"of money. So, um, yeah, and I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":859.29,"endTime":863.52,"body":"can't believe you have imposter"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":859.29,"endTime":863.52,"body":"syndrome. I mean, like, Oh, my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":863.52,"endTime":866.31,"body":"God, like, No, your self is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":863.52,"endTime":866.31,"body":"beautiful. But I think that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":866.31,"endTime":870.0,"body":"another thing. Like, when we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":866.31,"endTime":870.0,"body":"talk about like creativity, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":870.63,"endTime":874.56,"body":"you know, people say, oh, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":870.63,"endTime":874.56,"body":"you're a creative like, I wish I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":874.56,"endTime":877.11,"body":"could be creative. I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":874.56,"endTime":877.11,"body":"everyone is inherently creative."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":877.11,"endTime":880.17,"body":"It just takes a little bit more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":877.11,"endTime":880.17,"body":"work for some people. Just like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":880.17,"endTime":883.05,"body":"I think everyone, I don't care"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":880.17,"endTime":883.05,"body":"what anyone says. I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":883.05,"endTime":886.2,"body":"everyone can cook. I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":883.05,"endTime":886.2,"body":"everyone thinks that everyone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":886.2,"endTime":890.25,"body":"can cook amazing things all the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":886.2,"endTime":890.25,"body":"time, but I definitely think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":890.25,"endTime":894.78,"body":"that everyone is born with the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":890.25,"endTime":894.78,"body":"ability to like boil an egg,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":895.2,"endTime":895.68,"body":"right?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":895.83,"endTime":899.4,"body":"I think most of the boundaries"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":895.83,"endTime":899.4,"body":"we set ourselves. People say"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":899.4,"endTime":903.3,"body":"they can't cook But really like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":899.4,"endTime":903.3,"body":"if you just tuned in, you can do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":903.3,"endTime":905.37,"body":"a lot of things intuitively"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":903.3,"endTime":905.37,"body":"Actually, that's something I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":905.37,"endTime":907.41,"body":"kind of want to bring up with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":905.37,"endTime":907.41,"body":"you today you talk about it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":907.44,"endTime":911.55,"body":"sometimes is vibrational"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":907.44,"endTime":911.55,"body":"cooking. And that the idea, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":911.55,"endTime":914.49,"body":"don't know too much about it,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":911.55,"endTime":914.49,"body":"but like I understand it, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":914.49,"endTime":917.34,"body":"the idea of it, to me is like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":914.49,"endTime":917.34,"body":"the most beautiful thing,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":917.34,"endTime":920.34,"body":"because I feel like that's kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":917.34,"endTime":920.34,"body":"of like what I've always been,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":920.55,"endTime":922.05,"body":"because I don't have the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":920.55,"endTime":922.05,"body":"training, you know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":922.05,"endTime":924.15,"body":"So like, that's what I do. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":922.05,"endTime":924.15,"body":"don't really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":925.26,"endTime":929.28,"body":"know that that's, I mean, it's,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":925.26,"endTime":929.28,"body":"it's a human is truly like, he"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":929.28,"endTime":931.92,"body":"said, it's like an intuitive"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":929.28,"endTime":931.92,"body":"thing, where it's basically like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":932.01,"endTime":935.34,"body":"cooking off of instinct, living"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":932.01,"endTime":935.34,"body":"off of insane cooking off of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":935.4,"endTime":939.42,"body":"until, like, things just feel,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":935.4,"endTime":939.42,"body":"right. Like the vibes in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":939.42,"endTime":941.55,"body":"kitchen are okay, like, this is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":939.42,"endTime":941.55,"body":"good, I don't think I need any"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":941.55,"endTime":944.43,"body":"more salt. Or let me turn this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":941.55,"endTime":944.43,"body":"heat down a little bit, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":944.43,"endTime":949.38,"body":"know. And a lot of times, I feel"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":944.43,"endTime":949.38,"body":"like, when we it's about trust,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":949.41,"endTime":952.23,"body":"right, it's like about building"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":949.41,"endTime":952.23,"body":"trust with yourself with your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":952.23,"endTime":956.1,"body":"senses, which are very important"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":952.23,"endTime":956.1,"body":"things for a cook or a chef to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":956.1,"endTime":959.25,"body":"have. And I think it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":956.1,"endTime":959.25,"body":"interesting. Now we're in a time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":959.25,"endTime":964.5,"body":"where it's so weird, like, we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":959.25,"endTime":964.5,"body":"have this like praise of chefs."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":964.74,"endTime":967.44,"body":"But then we also have the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":964.74,"endTime":967.44,"body":"celebration of very, like highly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":967.44,"endTime":972.66,"body":"skilled home cooks, like Kenji"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":967.44,"endTime":972.66,"body":"Lopez and semi nostrud. So it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":972.66,"endTime":977.55,"body":"like, these people are home"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":972.66,"endTime":977.55,"body":"cooks, you know, and they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":977.55,"endTime":980.73,"body":"being like, celebrated like any"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":977.55,"endTime":980.73,"body":"other chef is because they have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":981.03,"endTime":985.02,"body":"not only the research behind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":981.03,"endTime":985.02,"body":"them, but they also have these"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":985.02,"endTime":991.17,"body":"highly attuned skills of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":985.02,"endTime":991.17,"body":"vibration cooking, you know, in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":991.17,"endTime":994.83,"body":"order to know how to apply the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":991.17,"endTime":994.83,"body":"research, they have to have that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":994.83,"endTime":998.76,"body":"trust and ability to know how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":994.83,"endTime":998.76,"body":"to. Yeah, I think this is timed,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":998.76,"endTime":1001.88,"body":"right. I think this is season,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":998.76,"endTime":1001.88,"body":"right? I think I can like, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1001.88,"endTime":1004.61,"body":"know, let me I think this is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1001.88,"endTime":1004.61,"body":"enough time on the Blanche, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1004.61,"endTime":1008.18,"body":"don't need a timer, like I don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1004.61,"endTime":1008.18,"body":"need to be restricted by time, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1008.18,"endTime":1011.3,"body":"can just feel it, I can tell it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1008.18,"endTime":1011.3,"body":"looks okay, it looks fine now,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1011.81,"endTime":1014.33,"body":"but that really is kind of what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1011.81,"endTime":1014.33,"body":"vibration cooking is. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1014.33,"endTime":1016.79,"body":"think it takes on a whole"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1014.33,"endTime":1016.79,"body":"different level when you are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1016.79,"endTime":1020.75,"body":"cooking foods of you, like your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1016.79,"endTime":1020.75,"body":"ancestors of your specific"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1020.75,"endTime":1021.53,"body":"culture"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1021.56,"endTime":1021.92,"body":"of,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1022.849,"endTime":1027.889,"body":"of your family. I think that,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1022.849,"endTime":1027.889,"body":"you know, that return to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1027.919,"endTime":1030.229,"body":"vibration cooking, which I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1027.919,"endTime":1030.229,"body":"seeing a lot more now,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1030.229,"endTime":1034.369,"body":"especially in the black"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1030.229,"endTime":1034.369,"body":"community is really important"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1034.369,"endTime":1037.939,"body":"for the future of food. I feel"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1034.369,"endTime":1037.939,"body":"like we're getting further and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1037.939,"endTime":1042.109,"body":"further disconnected to or be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1037.939,"endTime":1042.109,"body":"further disconnected from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1043.639,"endTime":1048.559,"body":"understanding how important the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1043.639,"endTime":1048.559,"body":"connection to the land is, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1048.559,"endTime":1052.099,"body":"the connection to the stories"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1048.559,"endTime":1052.099,"body":"tied to food and why we eat the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1052.099,"endTime":1054.889,"body":"things that we eat, and why we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1052.099,"endTime":1054.889,"body":"don't eat the things that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1055.249,"endTime":1059.869,"body":"shouldn't eat, or we kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1055.249,"endTime":1059.869,"body":"have an aversion to. And I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1059.869,"endTime":1063.109,"body":"that, you know, the more that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1059.869,"endTime":1063.109,"body":"practice vibration cooking, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1063.109,"endTime":1066.859,"body":"the more that we read about our"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1063.109,"endTime":1066.859,"body":"food history, the more we know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1066.889,"endTime":1070.219,"body":"about ourselves, and the more we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1066.889,"endTime":1070.219,"body":"can relate to others around us"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1070.219,"endTime":1075.109,"body":"because there's so many"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1070.219,"endTime":1075.109,"body":"connections in food. Like my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1075.109,"endTime":1080.449,"body":"boyfriend always talks about how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1075.109,"endTime":1080.449,"body":"everybody has a taco that he's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1080.449,"endTime":1086.419,"body":"like, falafel taco. Today, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1080.449,"endTime":1086.419,"body":"sandwich kind of a taco, it's so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1086.419,"endTime":1086.779,"body":"funny"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1087.83,"endTime":1089.18,"body":"to hotdogs. Because"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1093.83,"endTime":1096.95,"body":"it's like some type of starchy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1093.83,"endTime":1096.95,"body":"vessel, it wouldn't be in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1096.95,"endTime":1100.79,"body":"vegetables or something in it or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1096.95,"endTime":1100.79,"body":"some type of like, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1100.97,"endTime":1104.36,"body":"some type of substantial item in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1100.97,"endTime":1104.36,"body":"the center that is being"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1104.36,"endTime":1107.12,"body":"delivered to your face. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1104.36,"endTime":1107.12,"body":"unlike like pizza,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1107.12,"endTime":1108.71,"body":"similarly, everybody has a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1107.12,"endTime":1108.71,"body":"pizza."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1110.03,"endTime":1113.39,"body":"And it's just like, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1110.03,"endTime":1113.39,"body":"it's Yeah, it's it's really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1113.39,"endTime":1116.27,"body":"cool. So it's easy. It's fun to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1113.39,"endTime":1116.27,"body":"like, explore those"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1116.27,"endTime":1119.18,"body":"intersections of like, Oh, we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1116.27,"endTime":1119.18,"body":"have this culture is called"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1119.18,"endTime":1119.84,"body":"blah, blah."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1121.1,"endTime":1123.29,"body":"So many, many of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1121.1,"endTime":1123.29,"body":"those terms are interchangeable."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1123.35,"endTime":1127.64,"body":"And I find when I'm selling a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1123.35,"endTime":1127.64,"body":"menu to a customer, like I try"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1127.64,"endTime":1130.94,"body":"and get the vibe on what, what"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1127.64,"endTime":1130.94,"body":"cuisines are they deem"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1130.97,"endTime":1133.25,"body":"appropriate like some people say"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1130.97,"endTime":1133.25,"body":"I don't like this or that but"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1133.25,"endTime":1137.03,"body":"take something like a chimney"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1133.25,"endTime":1137.03,"body":"cherry is very similar to a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1137.03,"endTime":1140.45,"body":"salsa beretania which is also"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1137.03,"endTime":1140.45,"body":"similar to a green harissa."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1140.48,"endTime":1143.9,"body":"Yeah, and they're all like this"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1140.48,"endTime":1143.9,"body":"puree with like herb and acid"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1143.9,"endTime":1146.54,"body":"and some stuff. And I know"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1143.9,"endTime":1146.54,"body":"people will say like, I don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1146.54,"endTime":1149.12,"body":"like Middle Eastern cooking, so"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1146.54,"endTime":1149.12,"body":"I won't give them a green"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1149.12,"endTime":1152.09,"body":"harissa. But I can sell them on"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1149.12,"endTime":1152.09,"body":"a salsa Verity or if they don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1152.09,"endTime":1155.15,"body":"like Mexican food, I can sell"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1152.09,"endTime":1155.15,"body":"them on a chimney cherry but"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1155.15,"endTime":1158.87,"body":"it's essentially the same thing."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1155.15,"endTime":1158.87,"body":"It's like I throw herbs in the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1158.87,"endTime":1163.4,"body":"Vitamix with usually vinegar and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1158.87,"endTime":1163.4,"body":"or lemon and blend it up with"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1163.4,"endTime":1165.98,"body":"some kind of spicy pepper. And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1163.4,"endTime":1165.98,"body":"it's just really funny that"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1165.98,"endTime":1168.89,"body":"people put themselves in this"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1165.98,"endTime":1168.89,"body":"box of like, I don't like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1168.89,"endTime":1171.92,"body":"Mexican food, so I won't tell"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1168.89,"endTime":1171.92,"body":"them it's assault severity, I'll"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1171.92,"endTime":1175.25,"body":"just call it chimichurri. And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1171.92,"endTime":1175.25,"body":"they're fine. And it's it's kind"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1175.25,"endTime":1178.88,"body":"of ridiculous. Yeah. And like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1175.25,"endTime":1178.88,"body":"how much I want I want to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1178.88,"endTime":1182.36,"body":"educate people but not educate,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1178.88,"endTime":1182.36,"body":"you know, like nobody wants to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1182.36,"endTime":1186.29,"body":"be taught to add when they're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1182.36,"endTime":1186.29,"body":"your customer. Like, it's hard"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1186.29,"endTime":1188.63,"body":"for me to go to a customer and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1186.29,"endTime":1188.63,"body":"say like, what made this"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1188.63,"endTime":1190.52,"body":"chimichurri I know you don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1188.63,"endTime":1190.52,"body":"like Mexican and it's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1190.52,"endTime":1193.88,"body":"essentially assault severity."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1190.52,"endTime":1193.88,"body":"Like there's a very fine line"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1193.88,"endTime":1197.54,"body":"there about you know, like kind"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1193.88,"endTime":1197.54,"body":"of saying, well, they're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1197.54,"endTime":1199.97,"body":"essentially the same and I know"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1197.54,"endTime":1199.97,"body":"you say you don't like this, but"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1200.45,"endTime":1203.84,"body":"This is essentially that, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1200.45,"endTime":1203.84,"body":"know, finding that balance of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1203.84,"endTime":1207.5,"body":"like, educating them without"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1203.84,"endTime":1207.5,"body":"coming off as like holier than"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1207.5,"endTime":1207.83,"body":"thou."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1207.83,"endTime":1210.74,"body":"I think that's I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1207.83,"endTime":1210.74,"body":"that's, that's one of the fun"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1210.74,"endTime":1214.61,"body":"parts. Right? You know, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1210.74,"endTime":1214.61,"body":"like presenting new ideas to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1214.61,"endTime":1219.8,"body":"someone and like what they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1214.61,"endTime":1219.8,"body":"thought, again, like, very black"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1219.8,"endTime":1222.44,"body":"and white, what they thought"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1219.8,"endTime":1222.44,"body":"they did like, or they didn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1222.44,"endTime":1225.98,"body":"like making them realize like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1222.44,"endTime":1225.98,"body":"Oh, actually, I like elements of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1225.98,"endTime":1229.73,"body":"this thing. And I shouldn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1225.98,"endTime":1229.73,"body":"restrict myself like, Oh, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1229.73,"endTime":1232.1,"body":"just that I don't like human. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1229.73,"endTime":1232.1,"body":"didn't realize that that was,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1232.1,"endTime":1234.65,"body":"you know, that's the thing that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1232.1,"endTime":1234.65,"body":"I don't like, Okay, what is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1234.65,"endTime":1238.25,"body":"human? And then like exploring"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1234.65,"endTime":1238.25,"body":"that a little bit more? So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1238.25,"endTime":1241.58,"body":"I think that's cool. I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1238.25,"endTime":1241.58,"body":"that's amazing. And I think one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1241.58,"endTime":1244.43,"body":"of the reasons that gets me so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1241.58,"endTime":1244.43,"body":"excited, like the aspect of like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1244.43,"endTime":1247.4,"body":"vibration cooking, and like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1244.43,"endTime":1247.4,"body":"finding things across cultures"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1247.4,"endTime":1250.79,"body":"that intersect is like the way"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1247.4,"endTime":1250.79,"body":"that it brings us together, it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1250.79,"endTime":1255.17,"body":"makes us realize, like, yes, we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1250.79,"endTime":1255.17,"body":"are different. And that's a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1255.17,"endTime":1258.62,"body":"beautiful thing. But also at the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1255.17,"endTime":1258.62,"body":"same time, we're still human,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1258.62,"endTime":1262.16,"body":"and we're still connected to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1258.62,"endTime":1262.16,"body":"each other. So you know, if we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1262.16,"endTime":1264.89,"body":"can celebrate each other's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1262.16,"endTime":1264.89,"body":"differences, like and see the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1264.89,"endTime":1267.89,"body":"beauty in them, then we could"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1264.89,"endTime":1267.89,"body":"possibly be able to come"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1267.89,"endTime":1271.49,"body":"together and create a food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1267.89,"endTime":1271.49,"body":"future that is inclusive and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1271.73,"endTime":1276.44,"body":"diverse, not only in like, the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1271.73,"endTime":1276.44,"body":"racial and gender makeup, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1276.44,"endTime":1280.13,"body":"also like in the flavor palette"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1276.44,"endTime":1280.13,"body":"of what it could be, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1280.13,"endTime":1285.44,"body":"and maybe finding a way to kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1280.13,"endTime":1285.44,"body":"of re invest in each respective"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1285.44,"endTime":1289.46,"body":"community so that it can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1285.44,"endTime":1289.46,"body":"continue to remain vibrant. Give"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1289.46,"endTime":1290.99,"body":"up so important. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1292.49,"endTime":1294.14,"body":"I think you know,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1292.49,"endTime":1294.14,"body":"it's really interesting to look"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1294.14,"endTime":1298.61,"body":"at political climate and what's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1294.14,"endTime":1298.61,"body":"going on, and how that how you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1298.61,"endTime":1302.12,"body":"have a view of a whole cultures"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1298.61,"endTime":1302.12,"body":"food based on something going on"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1302.12,"endTime":1304.31,"body":"in the world. I'd like to think"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1302.12,"endTime":1304.31,"body":"we're a little more progressive,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1304.31,"endTime":1306.92,"body":"but I growing up, we had a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1304.31,"endTime":1306.92,"body":"Vietnamese restaurant in my"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1306.92,"endTime":1309.8,"body":"hometown. And I remember people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1306.92,"endTime":1309.8,"body":"saying, like, I'd never go to a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1309.8,"endTime":1311.66,"body":"Vietnamese restaurant, because"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1309.8,"endTime":1311.66,"body":"they're thinking about the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1311.66,"endTime":1316.01,"body":"Vietnam War, you know, but just"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1311.66,"endTime":1316.01,"body":"that whole idea of like, I don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1316.01,"endTime":1318.38,"body":"know. So now we're going into"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1316.01,"endTime":1318.38,"body":"this thing, potentially, with"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1318.41,"endTime":1322.85,"body":"Iran. But like, you know,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1318.41,"endTime":1322.85,"body":"there's so many people living"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1322.85,"endTime":1326.45,"body":"here in this country, not, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1322.85,"endTime":1326.45,"body":"know, who have nothing to do"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1326.45,"endTime":1329.33,"body":"with that, and running"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1326.45,"endTime":1329.33,"body":"restaurants and stuff. And it'll"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1329.33,"endTime":1332.78,"body":"be interesting to see kind of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1329.33,"endTime":1332.78,"body":"what the reception is, from the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1332.78,"endTime":1334.88,"body":"public to things like that. I'm"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1332.78,"endTime":1334.88,"body":"always interested in kind of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1334.88,"endTime":1339.08,"body":"seeing how those global issues"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1334.88,"endTime":1339.08,"body":"cut when it comes down to it."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1339.709,"endTime":1341.269,"body":"Well, America is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1339.709,"endTime":1341.269,"body":"famous."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1346.28,"endTime":1346.88,"body":"Politics,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1348.26,"endTime":1351.05,"body":"especially when it comes to food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1348.26,"endTime":1351.05,"body":"policy, like that didn't stop"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1351.05,"endTime":1356.66,"body":"people from eating tacos. You"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1351.05,"endTime":1356.66,"body":"know, that didn't. So like we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1356.66,"endTime":1360.65,"body":"are very much. Unfortunately,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1356.66,"endTime":1360.65,"body":"the food culture in America is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1362.24,"endTime":1366.62,"body":"like escapism and capitalism."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1362.24,"endTime":1366.62,"body":"And those are like perfect"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1366.62,"endTime":1372.65,"body":"partners for a story that is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1366.62,"endTime":1372.65,"body":"very, like whitewashed and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1372.65,"endTime":1376.94,"body":"removed from the really harmful"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1372.65,"endTime":1376.94,"body":"and sad and tragic realities of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1376.94,"endTime":1381.74,"body":"what the food system looks like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1376.94,"endTime":1381.74,"body":"here. And, yeah, I don't. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1381.74,"endTime":1384.41,"body":"mean, this sounds like such a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1381.74,"endTime":1384.41,"body":"negative Nancy thing to say, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1384.41,"endTime":1387.26,"body":"was like, nothing's going to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1384.41,"endTime":1387.26,"body":"happen. If anything, the thing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1387.26,"endTime":1390.71,"body":"that's going to happen is that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1387.26,"endTime":1390.71,"body":"people who are poorly informed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1390.71,"endTime":1394.88,"body":"about the, you know, which are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1390.71,"endTime":1394.88,"body":"to be quite frank is all of us,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1394.88,"endTime":1397.4,"body":"because we don't really know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1394.88,"endTime":1397.4,"body":"what's happening. We just woke"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1397.4,"endTime":1401.12,"body":"up and like one in the morning,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1397.4,"endTime":1401.12,"body":"it was like he killed the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1401.15,"endTime":1406.28,"body":"defense minister over there. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1401.15,"endTime":1406.28,"body":"think that what's going to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1406.28,"endTime":1410.54,"body":"happen is that, you know, we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1406.28,"endTime":1410.54,"body":"might have some like, really,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1410.84,"endTime":1415.91,"body":"some, some really ignorant"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1410.84,"endTime":1415.91,"body":"people making really stupid"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1415.91,"endTime":1420.47,"body":"decisions about where they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1415.91,"endTime":1420.47,"body":"going to eat, or what they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1420.47,"endTime":1425.18,"body":"not going to eat, based on core"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1420.47,"endTime":1425.18,"body":"political decisions that have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1425.18,"endTime":1429.56,"body":"been made. Just, I mean, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1425.18,"endTime":1429.56,"body":"just going to be a continuation"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1429.56,"endTime":1434.06,"body":"of what it's been for the past."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1429.56,"endTime":1434.06,"body":"What I mean, you can say, four"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1434.06,"endTime":1436.55,"body":"years ago, it's been a long,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1434.06,"endTime":1436.55,"body":"much longer time in Trump's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1436.55,"endTime":1440.21,"body":"administration, like people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1436.55,"endTime":1440.21,"body":"making decisions based off of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1440.21,"endTime":1446.03,"body":"like, again, they're very much"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1440.21,"endTime":1446.03,"body":"black and white view. And not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1446.03,"endTime":1448.94,"body":"really like trying to find the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1446.03,"endTime":1448.94,"body":"facts or dissent or their own"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1448.94,"endTime":1452.87,"body":"experience, which is why we've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1448.94,"endTime":1452.87,"body":"had like a rise in hate crimes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1452.87,"endTime":1457.34,"body":"and stuff. So unfortunately, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1452.87,"endTime":1457.34,"body":"I hope that that is not the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1457.34,"endTime":1460.46,"body":"reality. But if we're going on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1457.34,"endTime":1460.46,"body":"the past experiences in the past"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1460.46,"endTime":1463.4,"body":"couple years, that is what's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1460.46,"endTime":1463.4,"body":"going to happen. And that's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1463.4,"endTime":1465.92,"body":"cool. And that's fucked up."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1466.73,"endTime":1470.09,"body":"better word. I'm sorry. No,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1466.73,"endTime":1470.09,"body":"you're good. It brings me right"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1470.09,"endTime":1473.33,"body":"back to what you said about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1470.09,"endTime":1473.33,"body":"people being like, I don't like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1473.33,"endTime":1479.45,"body":"Mexican. I mean, anywhere you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1473.33,"endTime":1479.45,"body":"go, Mexico, their whole food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1479.48,"endTime":1486.77,"body":"program is like, exactly. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1479.48,"endTime":1486.77,"body":"Like what what is it really that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1486.77,"endTime":1488.99,"body":"they don't like Do they not like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1486.77,"endTime":1488.99,"body":"Mexican food or they have some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1488.99,"endTime":1493.58,"body":"type of prejudgment about Mexico"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1488.99,"endTime":1493.58,"body":"or Mexicans because of some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1493.58,"endTime":1498.32,"body":"other beliefs or views that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1493.58,"endTime":1498.32,"body":"have? Well, and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1498.98,"endTime":1501.56,"body":"I know you've said"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1498.98,"endTime":1501.56,"body":"My thing on Facebook this past"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1501.56,"endTime":1505.07,"body":"week I had some customers and I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1501.56,"endTime":1505.07,"body":"didn't customize menus for all"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1505.07,"endTime":1507.47,"body":"my customers so I sent them a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1505.07,"endTime":1507.47,"body":"questionnaire to find out what"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1507.47,"endTime":1511.37,"body":"they liked and they said they"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1507.47,"endTime":1511.37,"body":"wanted quote, nothing distinctly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1511.4,"endTime":1513.08,"body":"ethnic. Oh"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1516.23,"endTime":1516.89,"body":"right, right."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1517.94,"endTime":1521.39,"body":"But what they"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1517.94,"endTime":1521.39,"body":"really wanted was a Eurocentric"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1521.51,"endTime":1527.09,"body":"French Italian which is which is"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1521.51,"endTime":1527.09,"body":"fine but that that's what comes"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1527.09,"endTime":1530.06,"body":"down to what a lot of people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1527.09,"endTime":1530.06,"body":"think food or what I proposed a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1530.06,"endTime":1533.48,"body":"menu they ended up getting"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1530.06,"endTime":1533.48,"body":"something that had Serrano ham,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1533.51,"endTime":1536.81,"body":"Manchego cheese, Marcona"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1533.51,"endTime":1536.81,"body":"almonds, you know, they want"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1536.81,"endTime":1539.18,"body":"they wanted classical French"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1536.81,"endTime":1539.18,"body":"techniques. But that's not what"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1539.18,"endTime":1542.15,"body":"they said. what they said was"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1539.18,"endTime":1542.15,"body":"nothing distinctly ethnic and I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1542.15,"endTime":1545.24,"body":"post on Facebook and I got some"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1542.15,"endTime":1545.24,"body":"really thoughtful comments from"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1545.24,"endTime":1548.06,"body":"people, I got a lot of snarky"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1545.24,"endTime":1548.06,"body":"ones. And there was some joking"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1548.06,"endTime":1552.47,"body":"there. But that's another area"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1548.06,"endTime":1552.47,"body":"where like, how much do you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1552.53,"endTime":1555.02,"body":"educate them and say, well, just"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1552.53,"endTime":1555.02,"body":"so you know, you said you want"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1555.02,"endTime":1558.32,"body":"to nothing distinctly ethnic but"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1555.02,"endTime":1558.32,"body":"what I'm hearing is you want"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1558.35,"endTime":1562.25,"body":"Eurocentric, traditionally"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1558.35,"endTime":1562.25,"body":"classic type foods, and that's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1562.25,"endTime":1565.37,"body":"fine. And maybe that will help"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1562.25,"endTime":1565.37,"body":"you articulate that better going"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1565.37,"endTime":1569.48,"body":"forward. But you know, in this"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1565.37,"endTime":1569.48,"body":"modern food world, there's so"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1569.48,"endTime":1572.45,"body":"much diversity crossover,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1569.48,"endTime":1572.45,"body":"there's been so much"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1572.45,"endTime":1575.39,"body":"colonization, where ingredients"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1572.45,"endTime":1575.39,"body":"travel back and forth, you know,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1575.48,"endTime":1578.03,"body":"is chocolate and ethnic"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1575.48,"endTime":1578.03,"body":"ingredient, you know, because I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1578.03,"endTime":1581.0,"body":"had someone make a comment about"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1578.03,"endTime":1581.0,"body":"like, chocolates and chocolates"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1581.0,"endTime":1585.32,"body":"and ethnic ingredients, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1581.0,"endTime":1585.32,"body":"know, so it's just the view is"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1585.32,"endTime":1588.65,"body":"like, I guess nothing Southeast"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1585.32,"endTime":1588.65,"body":"Asian, Middle Eastern Latin"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1588.65,"endTime":1592.16,"body":"American, is that what ethnic is"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1588.65,"endTime":1592.16,"body":"to some people, I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1594.14,"endTime":1595.04,"body":"you also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1596.3,"endTime":1600.68,"body":"talked about language, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1596.3,"endTime":1600.68,"body":"language is so important. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1600.68,"endTime":1604.7,"body":"know, I think it's also like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1600.68,"endTime":1604.7,"body":"being such a hippie, like the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1604.7,"endTime":1609.41,"body":"Virgo. To me, that's very much"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1604.7,"endTime":1609.41,"body":"like, No, we have to be exactly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1609.41,"endTime":1612.41,"body":"the same way that we say them."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1609.41,"endTime":1612.41,"body":"And obviously, like, that's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1612.41,"endTime":1616.49,"body":"always gonna happen. But like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1612.41,"endTime":1616.49,"body":"even when you said it, which was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1616.49,"endTime":1620.45,"body":"not that classic, right? They"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1616.49,"endTime":1620.45,"body":"were talking you were thinking,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1620.48,"endTime":1623.15,"body":"Oh, they must want more of the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1620.48,"endTime":1623.15,"body":"classic. And it's like, well,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1623.15,"endTime":1626.69,"body":"classic for blue. Like, that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1623.15,"endTime":1626.69,"body":"not classic to me, that might"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1626.69,"endTime":1630.32,"body":"not be classy for somebody in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1626.69,"endTime":1630.32,"body":"West Baltimore. Like, who is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1630.32,"endTime":1633.35,"body":"that classic for? And what are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1630.32,"endTime":1633.35,"body":"we basing this off of? What's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1633.35,"endTime":1636.44,"body":"the baseline, and then that goes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1633.35,"endTime":1636.44,"body":"back to the baseline being"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1636.47,"endTime":1640.73,"body":"European, right? But that's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1636.47,"endTime":1640.73,"body":"reflective of everyone. And it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1640.73,"endTime":1644.96,"body":"just like, we keep like it was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1640.73,"endTime":1644.96,"body":"and I'm also curious as a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1644.96,"endTime":1647.93,"body":"younger person, or what this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1644.96,"endTime":1647.93,"body":"like, they"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1648.35,"endTime":1650.99,"body":"know, they were"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1648.35,"endTime":1650.99,"body":"actually about my age. You know,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1651.02,"endTime":1655.34,"body":"judging from the questionnaire,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1651.02,"endTime":1655.34,"body":"I thought that maybe they would"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1655.34,"endTime":1658.31,"body":"have been older. But they"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1655.34,"endTime":1658.31,"body":"weren't. I mean, they have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1658.34,"endTime":1662.87,"body":"children, some young, actually"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1658.34,"endTime":1662.87,"body":"both younger than mine. So I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1662.87,"endTime":1665.75,"body":"just think that that whole idea"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1662.87,"endTime":1665.75,"body":"of Michelin, because also in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1665.75,"endTime":1670.94,"body":"their thing, they said, we're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1665.75,"endTime":1670.94,"body":"used to Michelin diamond, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1670.94,"endTime":1677.69,"body":"know, but now Michelin, I know"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1670.94,"endTime":1677.69,"body":"what that means. Right? And now"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1677.69,"endTime":1681.77,"body":"you're now you're now you're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1677.69,"endTime":1681.77,"body":"having like they're even having"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1681.77,"endTime":1684.32,"body":"like the best Michelin"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1681.77,"endTime":1684.32,"body":"restaurants in Japan and in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1684.32,"endTime":1687.83,"body":"Mexico. But I just think people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1684.32,"endTime":1687.83,"body":"go back to that idea of like,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1687.86,"endTime":1690.35,"body":"when I was in culinary school,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1687.86,"endTime":1690.35,"body":"you learned they called it"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1690.35,"endTime":1693.77,"body":"classical French cooking, like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1690.35,"endTime":1693.77,"body":"everything was rooted. It is"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1693.77,"endTime":1700.55,"body":"very. And I am and I am so not"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1693.77,"endTime":1700.55,"body":"interested in that. Like, I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1700.94,"endTime":1704.78,"body":"don't want to cook those. I'm"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1700.94,"endTime":1704.78,"body":"not interested in French food."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1704.78,"endTime":1707.39,"body":"I'm not even really interested"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1704.78,"endTime":1707.39,"body":"in that much of Italian food"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1707.39,"endTime":1710.63,"body":"myself. But it's just"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1707.39,"endTime":1710.63,"body":"interesting the way that the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1710.63,"endTime":1713.51,"body":"whole thing was like positioned."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1710.63,"endTime":1713.51,"body":"Yeah, so what they liked and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1713.51,"endTime":1714.14,"body":"didn't like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1718.31,"endTime":1719.0,"body":"at the same time."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1720.53,"endTime":1725.03,"body":"Again, like we can celebrate all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1720.53,"endTime":1725.03,"body":"those things and still say that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1725.33,"endTime":1728.57,"body":"I love pasta, I definitely have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1725.33,"endTime":1728.57,"body":"days where I'm like, all right,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1728.9,"endTime":1731.57,"body":"like and if someone's like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1728.9,"endTime":1731.57,"body":"well, we don't have pasta, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1731.57,"endTime":1735.26,"body":"we have like ramen, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1731.57,"endTime":1735.26,"body":"like, No, tomato sauce, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1735.26,"endTime":1738.17,"body":"pasta. Like, I'm not saying I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1735.26,"endTime":1738.17,"body":"don't like ramen. I'm not saying"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1738.17,"endTime":1740.6,"body":"I don't like them. I'm not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1738.17,"endTime":1740.6,"body":"saying I'm saying right now, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1740.6,"endTime":1744.23,"body":"didn't want to pass it. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1740.6,"endTime":1744.23,"body":"think there's a way to celebrate"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1744.23,"endTime":1747.56,"body":"all things and also celebrate"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1744.23,"endTime":1747.56,"body":"the opposites as well without"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1747.56,"endTime":1749.63,"body":"holding something up as a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1747.56,"endTime":1749.63,"body":"pinnacle and discrediting"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1749.63,"endTime":1754.16,"body":"everything else. And I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1749.63,"endTime":1754.16,"body":"that we are at a time now where"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1754.28,"endTime":1756.89,"body":"more than ever we need to do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1754.28,"endTime":1756.89,"body":"those things. We need to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1756.89,"endTime":1763.16,"body":"celebrate the the things that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1756.89,"endTime":1763.16,"body":"are not being centered, but also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1763.16,"endTime":1766.64,"body":"acknowledge that the things that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1763.16,"endTime":1766.64,"body":"are being centered have helped"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1766.64,"endTime":1770.6,"body":"pave the way, in a sense, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1766.64,"endTime":1770.6,"body":"also it's kind of tough to like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1770.6,"endTime":1774.26,"body":"let some old traditions die, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1770.6,"endTime":1774.26,"body":"know? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1774.8,"endTime":1777.35,"body":"Yeah, I didn't want to get too"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1774.8,"endTime":1777.35,"body":"deep on your Facebook feed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1777.35,"endTime":1781.16,"body":"there. But one person that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1777.35,"endTime":1781.16,"body":"know was like, I feel like when"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1781.94,"endTime":1786.11,"body":"sometimes that's code for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1781.94,"endTime":1786.11,"body":"anything, not European. I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1786.11,"endTime":1789.5,"body":"like, No, it's not code. That's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1786.11,"endTime":1789.5,"body":"what that means. Every time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1789.5,"endTime":1792.89,"body":"somebody says Yes, yeah. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1789.5,"endTime":1792.89,"body":"like you were saying, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1792.89,"endTime":1798.05,"body":"every everything is ethnic in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1792.89,"endTime":1798.05,"body":"some way. But like, the only"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1798.17,"endTime":1801.47,"body":"person who's gonna say like, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1798.17,"endTime":1801.47,"body":"don't know is like somebody"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1801.47,"endTime":1806.54,"body":"who's has this Eurocentric view"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1801.47,"endTime":1806.54,"body":"of the world that's just like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1807.83,"endTime":1810.98,"body":"this is, this is classic, this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1807.83,"endTime":1810.98,"body":"is what it is,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1811.01,"endTime":1813.59,"body":"or they want ethnic food, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1811.01,"endTime":1813.59,"body":"they don't even know that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1813.59,"endTime":1816.8,"body":"want it, they want influences,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1813.59,"endTime":1816.8,"body":"they want fusion, and they want"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1816.8,"endTime":1820.52,"body":"all of those things like, they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1816.8,"endTime":1820.52,"body":"want the they want the David"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1820.52,"endTime":1824.54,"body":"Chang ethnic experience, right?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1820.52,"endTime":1824.54,"body":"They don't want like your local"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1824.54,"endTime":1827.42,"body":"mom and pop ethnic experience."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1824.54,"endTime":1827.42,"body":"And that's not to knock David"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1827.42,"endTime":1831.05,"body":"Chang but he definitely, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1827.42,"endTime":1831.05,"body":"you know, there was like an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1831.05,"endTime":1834.26,"body":"Asian fusion movement and like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1831.05,"endTime":1834.26,"body":"the 90s. But then he like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1834.26,"endTime":1838.88,"body":"revitalize the infusion of Asian"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1834.26,"endTime":1838.88,"body":"cuisine into American cuisine,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1839.24,"endTime":1841.73,"body":"and made it way more like he's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1839.24,"endTime":1841.73,"body":"the reason we have kimchi"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1841.73,"endTime":1844.28,"body":"ketchup and stuff like that,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1841.73,"endTime":1844.28,"body":"which is fine and great and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1844.28,"endTime":1848.45,"body":"amazing. At the same time, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1844.28,"endTime":1848.45,"body":"also like, you know, if that is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1848.45,"endTime":1855.53,"body":"the only, you know, if you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1848.45,"endTime":1855.53,"body":"only interested in ethnic foods"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1855.59,"endTime":1858.41,"body":"that have a proximity to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1855.59,"endTime":1858.41,"body":"whiteness, or that are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1859.67,"endTime":1860.6,"body":"approved"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1861.68,"endTime":1866.93,"body":"by institutions that are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1861.68,"endTime":1866.93,"body":"inherently white, then that's a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1866.93,"endTime":1871.04,"body":"problem. And it's a problem"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1866.93,"endTime":1871.04,"body":"because it is telling one story."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1871.22,"endTime":1877.34,"body":"And it is also like playing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1871.22,"endTime":1877.34,"body":"like, who's bad and who is good."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1877.37,"endTime":1880.58,"body":"It's like passing judgment on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1877.37,"endTime":1880.58,"body":"certain types of things, based"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1880.58,"endTime":1884.93,"body":"on, you know, really problematic"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1880.58,"endTime":1884.93,"body":"histories oftentimes, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1885.17,"endTime":1888.11,"body":"whether that's like model"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1885.17,"endTime":1888.11,"body":"minority myth, or like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1888.11,"endTime":1892.49,"body":"colonization of lands and people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1888.11,"endTime":1892.49,"body":"like, so it's kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1892.52,"endTime":1895.22,"body":"troublesome. And I think it was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1892.52,"endTime":1895.22,"body":"so funny that the person was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1895.22,"endTime":1898.01,"body":"like, we're used to dining at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1895.22,"endTime":1898.01,"body":"Michelin stars. And it's like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1898.01,"endTime":1899.93,"body":"well, yeah, you're used to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1898.01,"endTime":1899.93,"body":"dining at Michelin stars. But do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1899.93,"endTime":1902.51,"body":"you like to understand the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1899.93,"endTime":1902.51,"body":"process of Michelin stars and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1902.51,"endTime":1905.69,"body":"how that works, and the judging"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1902.51,"endTime":1905.69,"body":"and how that works. And what it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1905.69,"endTime":1909.83,"body":"takes oftentimes, to get those"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1905.69,"endTime":1909.83,"body":"stars, it doesn't cost money to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1909.83,"endTime":1912.62,"body":"get those stars, but it costs"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1909.83,"endTime":1912.62,"body":"money in a sense, and the ways"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1912.62,"endTime":1914.96,"body":"they save, you don't even see,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1912.62,"endTime":1914.96,"body":"as someone going into a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1914.96,"endTime":1917.48,"body":"restaurant space that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1914.96,"endTime":1917.48,"body":"hospitality and an experience"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1917.48,"endTime":1921.8,"body":"that you got, you didn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1917.48,"endTime":1921.8,"body":"understand the amount of money"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1921.8,"endTime":1925.22,"body":"that goes into like someone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1921.8,"endTime":1925.22,"body":"coming in and changing your cost"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1925.22,"endTime":1927.68,"body":"nap. And every time that's you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1925.22,"endTime":1927.68,"body":"got to order fine linens, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1927.68,"endTime":1930.92,"body":"got to pay for the person to get"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1927.68,"endTime":1930.92,"body":"that wash, that having someone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1930.92,"endTime":1933.53,"body":"coming around every five seconds"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1930.92,"endTime":1933.53,"body":"anticipate your every move to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1933.53,"endTime":1936.38,"body":"give you a shawl, if you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1933.53,"endTime":1936.38,"body":"cold. Before even thought about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1936.38,"endTime":1938.51,"body":"it, they saw you stroke your arm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1936.38,"endTime":1938.51,"body":"for one second, and like oh, my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1938.51,"endTime":1940.91,"body":"goodness, this person is cold,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1938.51,"endTime":1940.91,"body":"someone go get that clearing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1940.91,"endTime":1944.6,"body":"your plate, it takes a whole"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1940.91,"endTime":1944.6,"body":"team of people, which is reasons"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1944.6,"endTime":1948.92,"body":"why that we hold in such high"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1944.6,"endTime":1948.92,"body":"regard these like classic French"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1948.92,"endTime":1952.28,"body":"restaurants, because they have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1948.92,"endTime":1952.28,"body":"literally I mean, all of the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1952.28,"endTime":1954.38,"body":"roles that we have in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1952.28,"endTime":1954.38,"body":"traditional kitchens now are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1954.38,"endTime":1957.47,"body":"basically rooted in French"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1954.38,"endTime":1957.47,"body":"tradition. They have this whole"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1957.47,"endTime":1959.99,"body":"army of people, this whole team"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1957.47,"endTime":1959.99,"body":"of people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1960.08,"endTime":1962.99,"body":"who are quite often"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1960.08,"endTime":1962.99,"body":"brown skinned, maybe not even"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1962.99,"endTime":1966.59,"body":"English speaking, people whose"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1962.99,"endTime":1966.59,"body":"that's not their cuisine. So"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1966.59,"endTime":1970.22,"body":"they might be cooking at Liberty"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1966.59,"endTime":1970.22,"body":"den. Right? They're probably"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1970.22,"endTime":1972.5,"body":"from Mexico or somewhere in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":1970.22,"endTime":1972.5,"body":"South America."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1972.53,"endTime":1975.62,"body":"And that's an even and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1972.53,"endTime":1975.62,"body":"now especially in like DC but in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1975.62,"endTime":1978.98,"body":"like places where you know where"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1975.62,"endTime":1978.98,"body":"that isn't the case where there"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1978.98,"endTime":1982.58,"body":"are kitchens that are full of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1978.98,"endTime":1982.58,"body":"young white people,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1982.58,"endTime":1987.38,"body":"specifically, mostly men, young"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1982.58,"endTime":1987.38,"body":"white men, they do, they do have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1987.38,"endTime":1990.71,"body":"to pay them. And that costs a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1987.38,"endTime":1990.71,"body":"lot of money to pay that many"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1990.71,"endTime":1993.32,"body":"people. So oftentimes, what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1990.71,"endTime":1993.32,"body":"you'll find is that you'll have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1993.32,"endTime":1996.47,"body":"some people that most people not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1993.32,"endTime":1996.47,"body":"being paid well, or they will be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1996.47,"endTime":2000.37,"body":"paid well, but they'll be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1996.47,"endTime":2000.37,"body":"working in very like emotionally"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2000.37,"endTime":2005.68,"body":"toxic situations, and mentally"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2000.37,"endTime":2005.68,"body":"toxic situations. So it costs a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2005.68,"endTime":2009.64,"body":"lot of money, whether the guests"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2005.68,"endTime":2009.64,"body":"is experiencing that on their"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2009.64,"endTime":2013.51,"body":"end at like a what $300 dinner,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2009.64,"endTime":2013.51,"body":"like I said, that's like 10"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2013.51,"endTime":2019.12,"body":"courses or something, or on the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2013.51,"endTime":2019.12,"body":"back end with the people who are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2019.12,"endTime":2021.67,"body":"working on someone's going to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2019.12,"endTime":2021.67,"body":"have to pay, you know, most of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2021.67,"endTime":2025.96,"body":"the times it's not the owner. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2021.67,"endTime":2025.96,"body":"you know, it is it's a lot of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2025.96,"endTime":2029.2,"body":"things that come into play. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2025.96,"endTime":2029.2,"body":"oftentimes when it comes to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2029.2,"endTime":2032.29,"body":"Michelin stars, the people that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2029.2,"endTime":2032.29,"body":"have Michelin stars have the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2032.29,"endTime":2036.34,"body":"money to afford the Michelin"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2032.29,"endTime":2036.34,"body":"star, because it is not cheap to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2036.34,"endTime":2041.95,"body":"create a dining experience. That"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2036.34,"endTime":2041.95,"body":"is that anticipates your needs,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2041.95,"endTime":2044.8,"body":"you know, it costs a lot of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2041.95,"endTime":2044.8,"body":"money to anticipate needs. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2044.8,"endTime":2048.22,"body":"it takes a lot of time to find"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2044.8,"endTime":2048.22,"body":"the right front of house staff"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2048.43,"endTime":2052.9,"body":"that is attuned enough to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2048.43,"endTime":2052.9,"body":"anticipate needs. And the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2052.9,"endTime":2056.11,"body":"centers themselves enough to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2052.9,"endTime":2056.11,"body":"kind of truly invest in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2056.11,"endTime":2059.2,"body":"dining experience and forget"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2056.11,"endTime":2059.2,"body":"about what they have going on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2059.2,"endTime":2064.93,"body":"and focus truly on the guests"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2059.2,"endTime":2064.93,"body":"and the dining experience. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2064.93,"endTime":2066.85,"body":"think that was just so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2064.93,"endTime":2066.85,"body":"interesting that he was like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2066.88,"endTime":2070.87,"body":"are they she was like me, they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2066.88,"endTime":2070.87,"body":"were like, you know where you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2070.87,"endTime":2071.47,"body":"sit down at"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2071.469,"endTime":2074.799,"body":"Michelin? I think"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2071.469,"endTime":2074.799,"body":"it's really just what they mean"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2074.799,"endTime":2077.199,"body":"is like their meat and potatoes,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2074.799,"endTime":2077.199,"body":"people and people use that"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2077.199,"endTime":2079.449,"body":"expression all the time. Like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2077.199,"endTime":2079.449,"body":"just classic Steakhouse like I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2079.449,"endTime":2083.169,"body":"want a Caesar salad with like a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2079.449,"endTime":2083.169,"body":"Philemon neon with some beurre"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2083.169,"endTime":2086.199,"body":"blanc or you know, something"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2083.169,"endTime":2086.199,"body":"like that with a loaded mashed"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2086.199,"endTime":2088.599,"body":"potato like that's what a lot of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2086.199,"endTime":2088.599,"body":"people want and one thing and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2088.599,"endTime":2092.409,"body":"that's fine. People go to steak"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2088.599,"endTime":2092.409,"body":"houses all the time. I'm not one"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2092.409,"endTime":2095.469,"body":"of them, but like, you know, the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2092.409,"endTime":2095.469,"body":"people who you can talk about"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2095.469,"endTime":2098.829,"body":"going out on Valentine's Day,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2095.469,"endTime":2098.829,"body":"you know, they're the ones who"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2098.829,"endTime":2102.789,"body":"don't go out at all for the And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2098.829,"endTime":2102.789,"body":"all they want is like, they want"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2102.789,"endTime":2105.099,"body":"the chocolate cake or the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2102.789,"endTime":2105.099,"body":"cheesecake or something like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2105.099,"endTime":2107.709,"body":"that. And she also has kind of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2105.099,"endTime":2107.709,"body":"dog on it as being boring food."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2107.709,"endTime":2110.829,"body":"But there's, you know, it pays"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2107.709,"endTime":2110.829,"body":"the bills, right? Yeah. But"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2110.829,"endTime":2112.749,"body":"yeah, just say you want meat and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2110.829,"endTime":2112.749,"body":"potatoes."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2117.52,"endTime":2120.34,"body":"You know, not throwing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2117.52,"endTime":2120.34,"body":"the baby out with the bathwater."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2120.49,"endTime":2127.69,"body":"There are things that we can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2120.49,"endTime":2127.69,"body":"appreciate. In a flaming yawn or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2127.69,"endTime":2145.18,"body":"whatever, that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2127.69,"endTime":2145.18,"body":"everything has its place, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2145.21,"endTime":2150.7,"body":"examining origins, it still"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2145.21,"endTime":2150.7,"body":"needs to come with us. Right?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2150.79,"endTime":2154.99,"body":"Like, what does it contribute to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2150.79,"endTime":2154.99,"body":"the conversation? That's that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2154.99,"endTime":2157.78,"body":"the only thing I think that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2154.99,"endTime":2157.78,"body":"need to get better with figuring"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2157.78,"endTime":2162.04,"body":"out what, what can say, what can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2157.78,"endTime":2162.04,"body":"go and why are we saying you can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2162.04,"endTime":2166.12,"body":"say no? Is it because it serves"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2162.04,"endTime":2166.12,"body":"us? Or is it holding up this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2166.12,"endTime":2171.85,"body":"weird, like false? narrative"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2166.12,"endTime":2171.85,"body":"about like, what good food is?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2173.23,"endTime":2177.01,"body":"And what good food isn't it? Is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2173.23,"endTime":2177.01,"body":"it rooted in some type of weird"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2177.79,"endTime":2181.78,"body":"supremacy that we need to throw"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2177.79,"endTime":2181.78,"body":"away and dismantle now? So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2182.17,"endTime":2183.01,"body":"sorry, I'm hopping."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2184.659,"endTime":2186.549,"body":"We went, we got you on here,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2184.659,"endTime":2186.549,"body":"because we want to hear what you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2186.549,"endTime":2192.909,"body":"have to say. So it's all good. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2186.549,"endTime":2192.909,"body":"have a I mean, I have a similar"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2192.909,"endTime":2196.389,"body":"thing with my pizza is like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2192.909,"endTime":2196.389,"body":"I've always wanted it to be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2196.389,"endTime":2201.579,"body":"like, I mean, my business in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2196.389,"endTime":2201.579,"body":"general, like, I started with a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2201.579,"endTime":2204.639,"body":"mission, but it's not like a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2201.579,"endTime":2204.639,"body":"mission based business. You know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2204.639,"endTime":2206.859,"body":"what I mean? Yeah, but that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2204.639,"endTime":2206.859,"body":"something that I'm like, still"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2206.859,"endTime":2210.249,"body":"seeking out, like trying to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2206.859,"endTime":2210.249,"body":"figure out where I lie, when it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2210.249,"endTime":2214.059,"body":"comes to, like community and,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2210.249,"endTime":2214.059,"body":"and like what I can do to give"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2214.059,"endTime":2220.239,"body":"back through my business, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2214.059,"endTime":2220.239,"body":"know, but like, starting out, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2220.239,"endTime":2222.129,"body":"don't know, it's kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2220.239,"endTime":2222.129,"body":"difficult to figure that out."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2223.089,"endTime":2225.849,"body":"Maybe it'll just come to me, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2223.089,"endTime":2225.849,"body":"I've been, I've been trying to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2225.849,"endTime":2226.899,"body":"figure it out. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2226.9,"endTime":2229.66,"body":"think you're just constantly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2226.9,"endTime":2229.66,"body":"asking yourself what you need as"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2229.66,"endTime":2233.08,"body":"an individual, and also what you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2229.66,"endTime":2233.08,"body":"because I feel like if you ask"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2233.08,"endTime":2234.88,"body":"yourself what you need as an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2233.08,"endTime":2234.88,"body":"individually, this is what's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2234.88,"endTime":2237.07,"body":"been helpful to me, because I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2234.88,"endTime":2237.07,"body":"still also trying to figure it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2237.07,"endTime":2242.38,"body":"out, especially as someone who"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2237.07,"endTime":2242.38,"body":"is trying to constantly evolve"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2242.38,"endTime":2246.43,"body":"and learn more about myself day"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2242.38,"endTime":2246.43,"body":"to day, I feel like asking what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2246.43,"endTime":2250.63,"body":"you want for yourself as an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2246.43,"endTime":2250.63,"body":"individual separate from pizza,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2250.63,"endTime":2257.41,"body":"llama. You know, like, I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2250.63,"endTime":2257.41,"body":"that it's, it's interesting that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2257.41,"endTime":2261.25,"body":"we, oftentimes as entrepreneurs,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2257.41,"endTime":2261.25,"body":"and business owners, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2261.25,"endTime":2264.97,"body":"creatives, we try to separate"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2261.25,"endTime":2264.97,"body":"those two things like, well,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2264.97,"endTime":2267.76,"body":"this is like my business hat."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2264.97,"endTime":2267.76,"body":"And this is my personal hat. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2267.76,"endTime":2269.98,"body":"it's like the business has a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2267.76,"endTime":2269.98,"body":"thing that keeps you fulfilled"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2269.98,"endTime":2273.46,"body":"as a person. So trying to figure"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2269.98,"endTime":2273.46,"body":"out, like, what are the things I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2273.46,"endTime":2276.1,"body":"want from my community that I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2273.46,"endTime":2276.1,"body":"may not necessarily be seeing?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2276.1,"endTime":2279.46,"body":"Or, you know, what are the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2276.1,"endTime":2279.46,"body":"things that, you know, I feel"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2279.46,"endTime":2281.83,"body":"like I'm missing like, that was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2279.46,"endTime":2281.83,"body":"the whole reason that I kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2281.83,"endTime":2288.4,"body":"created my design studio, in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2281.83,"endTime":2288.4,"body":"absence of our studio, I Oh, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2288.4,"endTime":2292.51,"body":"Oh, design. It was just kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2288.4,"endTime":2292.51,"body":"like, well, I want to create"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2292.51,"endTime":2294.97,"body":"this, I want to have a space"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2292.51,"endTime":2294.97,"body":"where I can have these"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2294.97,"endTime":2299.17,"body":"conversations with other food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2294.97,"endTime":2299.17,"body":"creatives or other creators"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2299.17,"endTime":2301.96,"body":"period, that they don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2299.17,"endTime":2301.96,"body":"necessarily have to be related"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2301.96,"endTime":2306.1,"body":"to food in their day to day"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2301.96,"endTime":2306.1,"body":"activity. Because I know that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2306.1,"endTime":2309.46,"body":"all eat food every day, right?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2306.1,"endTime":2309.46,"body":"So it's like, there's always a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2309.46,"endTime":2312.85,"body":"connection to food. So it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2309.46,"endTime":2312.85,"body":"easier for me to find that link"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2312.85,"endTime":2317.23,"body":"to people. But you know, I want"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2312.85,"endTime":2317.23,"body":"to I want to have deeper"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2317.23,"endTime":2322.78,"body":"conversations around like art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2317.23,"endTime":2322.78,"body":"and music and social justice,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2322.78,"endTime":2326.14,"body":"like, How can I do that? And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2322.78,"endTime":2326.14,"body":"it's like, well, if I create it,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2326.14,"endTime":2328.48,"body":"it's kind of like, if you build"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2326.14,"endTime":2328.48,"body":"it, they will come like Field of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2328.48,"endTime":2332.89,"body":"Dreams. Like if I create this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2328.48,"endTime":2332.89,"body":"space for myself to explore, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2332.89,"endTime":2335.08,"body":"then put out there and hey, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2332.89,"endTime":2335.08,"body":"created this space, like if you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2335.08,"endTime":2338.98,"body":"want to join me and have some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2335.08,"endTime":2338.98,"body":"conversations that are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2338.98,"endTime":2342.58,"body":"traditionally had and, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2338.98,"endTime":2342.58,"body":"hospitality and food and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2342.58,"endTime":2347.53,"body":"beverage, then I'm here and I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2342.58,"endTime":2347.53,"body":"ready to talk about them. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2347.53,"endTime":2350.08,"body":"you know, engaging people in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2347.53,"endTime":2350.08,"body":"programming that I create to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2350.08,"endTime":2353.68,"body":"those are the things that you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2350.08,"endTime":2353.68,"body":"know, are kind of selfish, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2353.68,"endTime":2356.86,"body":"create programs that I would"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2353.68,"endTime":2356.86,"body":"want to see if I were not the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2356.86,"endTime":2359.23,"body":"one creating them. It's like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2356.86,"endTime":2359.23,"body":"what would I want to go to right"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2359.23,"endTime":2362.83,"body":"now if I didn't have this? Like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2359.23,"endTime":2362.83,"body":"I don't want to go to a program"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2362.83,"endTime":2366.97,"body":"about black women food and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2362.83,"endTime":2366.97,"body":"power. So I made one. Yeah, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2366.97,"endTime":2371.35,"body":"just kind of like exploring your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2366.97,"endTime":2371.35,"body":"needs and then kind of going off"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2371.35,"endTime":2374.89,"body":"of that, because I think that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2371.35,"endTime":2374.89,"body":"how I found you. I mean, I knew"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2374.89,"endTime":2377.2,"body":"about you when that one day you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2374.89,"endTime":2377.2,"body":"walked into our house, I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2377.2,"endTime":2382.21,"body":"like, that's pizza llama. That"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2377.2,"endTime":2382.21,"body":"guy so cool. At one point before"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2382.21,"endTime":2385.36,"body":"I like got in that space. I made"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2382.21,"endTime":2385.36,"body":"it my business to see how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2385.36,"endTime":2389.14,"body":"everyone else who didn't have a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2385.36,"endTime":2389.14,"body":"space was building community"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2389.38,"endTime":2393.76,"body":"with food. And I had you know, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2389.38,"endTime":2393.76,"body":"did my food tricycle called pi"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2393.76,"endTime":2398.2,"body":"cycle and I was also selling ice"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2393.76,"endTime":2398.2,"body":"pops off of it. That taught that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2398.2,"endTime":2404.38,"body":"was karma pop, but I yeah, I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2398.2,"endTime":2404.38,"body":"always just like fascinated like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2404.38,"endTime":2408.16,"body":"across the country with how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2404.38,"endTime":2408.16,"body":"other chefs were, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2408.46,"endTime":2411.73,"body":"running their mobile businesses"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2408.46,"endTime":2411.73,"body":"and popping up in places, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2411.73,"endTime":2414.46,"body":"also how they were sustaining"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2411.73,"endTime":2414.46,"body":"community in between those pop"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2414.46,"endTime":2417.85,"body":"ups and like connecting with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2414.46,"endTime":2417.85,"body":"other people that got it."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2417.85,"endTime":2420.94,"body":"Because Yeah, you can have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2417.85,"endTime":2420.94,"body":"friends who are chefs. But it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2420.94,"endTime":2427.21,"body":"a really special difference, to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2420.94,"endTime":2427.21,"body":"have friends who are, who don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2427.21,"endTime":2430.42,"body":"have a restaurant role every"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2427.21,"endTime":2430.42,"body":"day, I think that they can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2430.42,"endTime":2433.87,"body":"understand the challenges that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2430.42,"endTime":2433.87,"body":"you face and the extra level of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2433.87,"endTime":2437.26,"body":"creativity and motivation that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2433.87,"endTime":2437.26,"body":"you have to have to get your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2437.26,"endTime":2441.07,"body":"ideas off of the ground. Which"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2437.26,"endTime":2441.07,"body":"kind of to me is why I'm always"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2441.07,"endTime":2445.12,"body":"like, extra hardcore cheering on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2441.07,"endTime":2445.12,"body":"people who are interested in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2445.12,"endTime":2450.34,"body":"rent space. Because it takes up"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2445.12,"endTime":2450.34,"body":"it takes a lot of like extra"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2450.37,"endTime":2454.24,"body":"work to survive, and even be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2450.37,"endTime":2454.24,"body":"like, seen or heard and taken"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2454.24,"endTime":2459.01,"body":"serious. Definitely. And if you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2454.24,"endTime":2459.01,"body":"have a voice, you know, I'd love"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2459.01,"endTime":2462.46,"body":"to be able to use my platform."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2459.01,"endTime":2462.46,"body":"But we're definitely in a time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2462.46,"endTime":2463.96,"body":"where it's divided. You know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2462.46,"endTime":2463.96,"body":"you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2463.96,"endTime":2466.78,"body":"have a guy like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2463.96,"endTime":2466.78,"body":"chef, Tom Colicchio. He's very"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2466.78,"endTime":2469.39,"body":"political, and he'll post"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2466.78,"endTime":2469.39,"body":"something on Twitter, and then"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2469.39,"endTime":2472.18,"body":"everyone kind of, well, not"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2469.39,"endTime":2472.18,"body":"everyone, but half the country,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2472.18,"endTime":2475.03,"body":"or you go out and say, like,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2472.18,"endTime":2475.03,"body":"stick to cooking chef,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2475.06,"endTime":2475.69,"body":"you know, like that."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2475.96,"endTime":2478.93,"body":"You're only"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2475.96,"endTime":2478.93,"body":"identified by your career or"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2478.93,"endTime":2482.68,"body":"this one thing. And you're not"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2478.93,"endTime":2482.68,"body":"allowed. You know, he's got a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2482.68,"endTime":2486.07,"body":"lot of followers. He's got a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2482.68,"endTime":2486.07,"body":"platform, and he uses it to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2486.07,"endTime":2489.49,"body":"speak about things that he is"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2486.07,"endTime":2489.49,"body":"passionate about. But a lot of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2489.49,"endTime":2492.52,"body":"that pushback will be well,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2489.49,"endTime":2492.52,"body":"you're just a chef, you don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2492.52,"endTime":2496.63,"body":"have the right to talk about"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2492.52,"endTime":2496.63,"body":"that. But why are you an"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2496.63,"endTime":2499.78,"body":"architect have the right to talk"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2496.63,"endTime":2499.78,"body":"about that, or something else? I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2500.05,"endTime":2501.25,"body":"find it bizarre."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2501.55,"endTime":2503.17,"body":"I think of all people,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2501.55,"endTime":2503.17,"body":"I think chefs."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2506.53,"endTime":2511.36,"body":"Because we are so intimately"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2506.53,"endTime":2511.36,"body":"connected to a medium that is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2511.36,"endTime":2516.43,"body":"about life, and keeping people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2511.36,"endTime":2516.43,"body":"alive. And the key part of a key"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2516.43,"endTime":2521.89,"body":"part of being alive is just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2516.43,"endTime":2521.89,"body":"thriving, it's one thing to be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2521.89,"endTime":2524.8,"body":"alive. Like if we were just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2521.89,"endTime":2524.8,"body":"concerned with just being alive,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2524.8,"endTime":2527.53,"body":"then it would just, which we're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2524.8,"endTime":2527.53,"body":"kind of headed towards, it could"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2527.53,"endTime":2529.42,"body":"just be one of those things"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2527.53,"endTime":2529.42,"body":"where it's like, have you guys"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2529.42,"endTime":2532.66,"body":"seen the movie Soylent Green. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2529.42,"endTime":2532.66,"body":"it can just be like a Soylent"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2532.66,"endTime":2536.02,"body":"Green situation where it's like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2532.66,"endTime":2536.02,"body":"you know, it doesn't matter what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2536.02,"endTime":2538.27,"body":"we're eating, we're just eating"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2536.02,"endTime":2538.27,"body":"people."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2541.21,"endTime":2541.96,"body":"People, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2541.96,"endTime":2542.5,"body":"like, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2542.5,"endTime":2546.04,"body":"know, we're just eating and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2542.5,"endTime":2546.04,"body":"we're surviving in that time."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2548.289,"endTime":2551.889,"body":"We should be surviving, we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2548.289,"endTime":2551.889,"body":"should be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2553.659,"endTime":2556.959,"body":"thriving, and that shouldn't be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2553.659,"endTime":2556.959,"body":"a business thriving should not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2556.959,"endTime":2560.109,"body":"be sufficient and be costing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2556.959,"endTime":2560.109,"body":"people money to live life"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2560.109,"endTime":2564.759,"body":"pleasurable Lee, in a way that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2560.109,"endTime":2564.759,"body":"they can find joy, you know, it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2564.759,"endTime":2568.179,"body":"should be accessible to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2564.759,"endTime":2568.179,"body":"everyone. And I think that as"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2568.419,"endTime":2574.419,"body":"chefs, it is our duty in our job"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2568.419,"endTime":2574.419,"body":"to find a way, which is why we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2574.419,"endTime":2577.269,"body":"shouldn't be up any yums or you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2574.419,"endTime":2577.269,"body":"know, shame people for their"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2577.269,"endTime":2581.139,"body":"food choices. Find a way for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2577.269,"endTime":2581.139,"body":"people to find joy in their life"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2581.169,"endTime":2585.429,"body":"in a way that's healthy. A"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2581.169,"endTime":2585.429,"body":"healthy relationship to the joy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2585.429,"endTime":2588.969,"body":"of eating and cooking for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2585.429,"endTime":2588.969,"body":"themselves, for us to cook for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2588.969,"endTime":2589.449,"body":"them."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2591.099,"endTime":2596.109,"body":"So my question is kind of like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2591.099,"endTime":2596.109,"body":"it's just another one of those"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2596.109,"endTime":2601.179,"body":"gray areas where we're in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2596.109,"endTime":2601.179,"body":"place now where in a lot of, in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2601.179,"endTime":2604.719,"body":"a lot of areas, it's like we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2601.179,"endTime":2604.719,"body":"need to be paying, people need"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2604.719,"endTime":2608.469,"body":"to be paying more for food, kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2604.719,"endTime":2608.469,"body":"of, because of the service and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2608.469,"endTime":2612.009,"body":"the whole culture of tipping,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2608.469,"endTime":2612.009,"body":"and just people in the kitchen"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2612.009,"endTime":2615.939,"body":"being paid enough and all of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2612.009,"endTime":2615.939,"body":"that. Food is worth more than we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2615.939,"endTime":2621.909,"body":"kind of like, as a society. Make"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2615.939,"endTime":2621.909,"body":"it? Yeah, but then, at the same"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2621.909,"endTime":2626.109,"body":"time, when you're charging more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2621.909,"endTime":2626.109,"body":"for this food, then it becomes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2626.109,"endTime":2630.639,"body":"less accessible for a lot of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2626.109,"endTime":2630.639,"body":"people. Yeah. So and me making"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2630.639,"endTime":2633.459,"body":"pizza too. Like I put a lot of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2630.639,"endTime":2633.459,"body":"work into my pizza, I use really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2633.459,"endTime":2637.959,"body":"good ingredients. I had recently"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2633.459,"endTime":2637.959,"body":"had a baker like kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2637.959,"endTime":2641.919,"body":"convinced me I never wanted to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2637.959,"endTime":2641.919,"body":"use the word like artisan. Or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2641.919,"endTime":2646.749,"body":"like, I was just kind of averse"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2641.919,"endTime":2646.749,"body":"to it because I make pizza. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2646.749,"endTime":2650.739,"body":"I'm like, regardless if it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2646.749,"endTime":2650.739,"body":"artisan or not like it's pizza,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2650.799,"endTime":2654.669,"body":"and what it is, is like a poor"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2650.799,"endTime":2654.669,"body":"man's food. Yeah, that's where"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2654.669,"endTime":2656.979,"body":"it started. You know what I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2654.669,"endTime":2656.979,"body":"mean? So that's why I was averse"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2656.979,"endTime":2660.249,"body":"to it. But then she kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2656.979,"endTime":2660.249,"body":"pointed out to me, like, all the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2660.249,"endTime":2663.069,"body":"work you put into it, and all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2660.249,"endTime":2663.069,"body":"the love you put into it and the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2663.069,"endTime":2668.379,"body":"crafts that you've honed over"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2663.069,"endTime":2668.379,"body":"the years, like, that's what it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2668.379,"endTime":2670.989,"body":"is, though. Yeah, and you can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2668.379,"endTime":2670.989,"body":"charge whatever you want for it."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2671.289,"endTime":2674.829,"body":"And people will come literally"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2671.289,"endTime":2674.829,"body":"just for that, if you call it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2674.829,"endTime":2677.829,"body":"that word, suddenly kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2674.829,"endTime":2677.829,"body":"accepting it a little more now,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2677.979,"endTime":2681.429,"body":"but I've always struggled with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2677.979,"endTime":2681.429,"body":"that, you know, because I want"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2681.429,"endTime":2684.339,"body":"my pizza to be accessible to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2681.429,"endTime":2684.339,"body":"everybody, but it's just not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2684.339,"endTime":2686.919,"body":"really the case. Like you can't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2684.339,"endTime":2686.919,"body":"always be I feel like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2686.949,"endTime":2690.009,"body":"yeah, I think there's I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2686.949,"endTime":2690.009,"body":"think there's tears to it. The"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2690.009,"endTime":2692.529,"body":"reality is like as an artist,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2690.009,"endTime":2692.529,"body":"you do want to survive off of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2692.529,"endTime":2697.479,"body":"your art but at the same time,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2692.529,"endTime":2697.479,"body":"you want to survive in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2697.479,"endTime":2702.099,"body":"sustainable way. So it's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2697.479,"endTime":2702.099,"body":"only is going to be accessible"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2702.099,"endTime":2705.429,"body":"to everyone. But is that is a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2702.099,"endTime":2705.429,"body":"goal of yours, you know, that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2705.429,"endTime":2709.869,"body":"when you have that that menu"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2705.429,"endTime":2709.869,"body":"that is like, it fluctuates in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2709.869,"endTime":2714.009,"body":"the range of what you have. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2709.869,"endTime":2714.009,"body":"also, kind of keeping in mind,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2714.009,"endTime":2716.229,"body":"like the relationships that you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2714.009,"endTime":2716.229,"body":"have with like farmers, if"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2716.229,"endTime":2719.619,"body":"you're, you know, are thinking"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2716.229,"endTime":2719.619,"body":"about, okay, what are the things"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2719.619,"endTime":2722.289,"body":"that you know, cost me more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2719.619,"endTime":2722.289,"body":"money to source but I can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2722.289,"endTime":2727.959,"body":"actually like, grow myself like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2722.289,"endTime":2727.959,"body":"basil? Like, yeah, I can grow on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2727.959,"endTime":2731.259,"body":"basil like, okay, cool, that'll"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2727.959,"endTime":2731.259,"body":"cut down on some things and you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2731.259,"endTime":2735.549,"body":"know, make this pizza a little"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2731.259,"endTime":2735.549,"body":"bit more affordable to everyone."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2735.549,"endTime":2739.239,"body":"So I don't have to raise my cost"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2735.549,"endTime":2739.239,"body":"cuz I'm outsourcing that. Or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2739.539,"endTime":2742.509,"body":"maybe you can have days that are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2739.539,"endTime":2742.509,"body":"like, Oh, I'm gonna go in this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2742.509,"endTime":2746.199,"body":"area that's kind of underserved"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2742.509,"endTime":2746.199,"body":"and, you know, offer a more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2746.199,"endTime":2749.589,"body":"reasonable price or like pay"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2746.199,"endTime":2749.589,"body":"what you can between these price"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2749.589,"endTime":2754.149,"body":"ranges? I don't know. I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2749.589,"endTime":2754.149,"body":"that. Like you have to think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2754.149,"endTime":2756.909,"body":"about like you said, it wasn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2754.149,"endTime":2756.909,"body":"like you have a mission. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2757.059,"endTime":2759.789,"body":"think about what your mission"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2757.059,"endTime":2759.789,"body":"is. And think about what are the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2759.789,"endTime":2764.559,"body":"things that you really want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2759.789,"endTime":2764.559,"body":"do with your businesses. And if"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2764.979,"endTime":2768.219,"body":"accessible pizza to all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2764.979,"endTime":2768.219,"body":"accessible quality pizza at all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2768.219,"endTime":2773.079,"body":"is one of them, I think you can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2768.219,"endTime":2773.079,"body":"really start to think about ways"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2773.079,"endTime":2777.189,"body":"that you can cut down on costs."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2773.079,"endTime":2777.189,"body":"I mean, that's really the main"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2777.399,"endTime":2780.159,"body":"issue, it seems when it comes to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2777.399,"endTime":2780.159,"body":"like making it accessible to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2780.159,"endTime":2782.829,"body":"everyone. What are ways that you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2780.159,"endTime":2782.829,"body":"can cut down on costs and make"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2782.829,"endTime":2787.659,"body":"it easier for you and for your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2782.829,"endTime":2787.659,"body":"consumer, your supporters. But I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2787.659,"endTime":2790.149,"body":"don't know I I struggle with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2787.659,"endTime":2790.149,"body":"that too. And I think that's one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2790.149,"endTime":2794.229,"body":"of the reasons why I started my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2790.149,"endTime":2794.229,"body":"Patreon, because I was like, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2794.229,"endTime":2798.669,"body":"want my programming to continue"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2794.229,"endTime":2798.669,"body":"to be affordable. But I also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2798.669,"endTime":2802.419,"body":"know that the reason it was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2798.669,"endTime":2802.419,"body":"affordable this year is because"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2802.419,"endTime":2806.739,"body":"I had a lot of grants from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2802.419,"endTime":2806.739,"body":"institutions, because I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2806.739,"endTime":2810.729,"body":"doing these conversations and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2806.739,"endTime":2810.729,"body":"these programs at museums. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2810.729,"endTime":2813.819,"body":"was getting funding that helped"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2810.729,"endTime":2813.819,"body":"cover the cost of speakers and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2813.819,"endTime":2816.789,"body":"help, you know, make sure that I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2813.819,"endTime":2816.789,"body":"was getting compensated for the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2816.789,"endTime":2821.439,"body":"time that I was taking out of my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2816.789,"endTime":2821.439,"body":"like, months and year to plan"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2821.439,"endTime":2826.149,"body":"this program. But I also know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2821.439,"endTime":2826.149,"body":"that I want to have like free"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2826.179,"endTime":2828.609,"body":"range over the conversations"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2826.179,"endTime":2828.609,"body":"that I want to have. And I want"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2828.609,"endTime":2831.159,"body":"to have more radical"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2828.609,"endTime":2831.159,"body":"conversations. And a lot of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2831.159,"endTime":2834.309,"body":"these conversations can't be had"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2831.159,"endTime":2834.309,"body":"in the walls of an institution."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2834.639,"endTime":2838.299,"body":"But I also need to be able to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2834.639,"endTime":2838.299,"body":"afford the space that I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2838.299,"endTime":2843.399,"body":"renting. So it's like how do I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2838.299,"endTime":2843.399,"body":"do this. And that's when you can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2843.399,"endTime":2845.379,"body":"kind of have a real moment. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2843.399,"endTime":2845.379,"body":"mean, that's what made me be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2845.379,"endTime":2848.049,"body":"like, Okay, if people believe in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2845.379,"endTime":2848.049,"body":"the work that I'm doing, a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2848.049,"endTime":2852.309,"body":"little bit of money would help."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2848.049,"endTime":2852.309,"body":"So maybe I should ask, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2852.369,"endTime":2854.469,"body":"and that was one of my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2852.369,"endTime":2854.469,"body":"resolutions Anyway, I'm not even"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2854.469,"endTime":2858.159,"body":"a huge resolution person. But it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2854.469,"endTime":2858.159,"body":"was one of my intentions for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2858.159,"endTime":2863.379,"body":"2020 was to not be afraid to ask"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2858.159,"endTime":2863.379,"body":"the community around me when I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2863.379,"endTime":2866.769,"body":"need it for what I needed. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2863.379,"endTime":2866.769,"body":"when I need it was a little bit"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2866.769,"endTime":2874.299,"body":"more sustainable support for a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2866.769,"endTime":2874.299,"body":"little bit more, a little bit"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2874.299,"endTime":2877.539,"body":"more support in the financial"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2874.299,"endTime":2877.539,"body":"department so that it could be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2878.499,"endTime":2880.749,"body":"so that the practice could grow"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2878.499,"endTime":2880.749,"body":"that people could continue to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2880.749,"endTime":2883.869,"body":"come because I didn't want to be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2880.749,"endTime":2883.869,"body":"like, okay, we're gonna have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2883.869,"endTime":2886.659,"body":"this professor come and we're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2883.869,"endTime":2886.659,"body":"gonna have this chef calm, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2886.749,"endTime":2889.719,"body":"it's gonna be a very, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2886.749,"endTime":2889.719,"body":"fancy dinner after the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2889.719,"endTime":2893.679,"body":"conversation. $45 and I know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2889.719,"endTime":2893.679,"body":"last year, the programming was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2893.679,"endTime":2896.139,"body":"free, but like, I gotta pay for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2893.679,"endTime":2896.139,"body":"these people to fly in, and I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2896.139,"endTime":2898.599,"body":"gotta, you know, rent the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2896.139,"endTime":2898.599,"body":"facility, and I gotta buy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2898.599,"endTime":2902.199,"body":"ingredients, and I got to pay my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2898.599,"endTime":2902.199,"body":"chef volunteers, and then it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2902.199,"endTime":2904.899,"body":"turns into a thing. And people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2902.199,"endTime":2904.899,"body":"are, you know, the whole key"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2904.899,"endTime":2906.999,"body":"part of this is building"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2904.899,"endTime":2906.999,"body":"community and making sure that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2906.999,"endTime":2909.609,"body":"people are getting this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2906.999,"endTime":2909.609,"body":"education and information. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2909.609,"endTime":2912.969,"body":"if I'm charging that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2909.609,"endTime":2912.969,"body":"significantly cuts down on that."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2912.999,"endTime":2917.349,"body":"So yeah, the Patreon is a way"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2912.999,"endTime":2917.349,"body":"that it will allow me, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2917.679,"endTime":2922.299,"body":"to continue growing this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2917.679,"endTime":2922.299,"body":"community that I've started, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2922.299,"endTime":2927.069,"body":"also continue to work with using"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2922.299,"endTime":2927.069,"body":"food as a tool for design."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2927.16,"endTime":2928.33,"body":"Well, that's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2927.16,"endTime":2928.33,"body":"awesome. We'll make sure"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2928.75,"endTime":2931.69,"body":"there's, you know, we'll plug"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2928.75,"endTime":2931.69,"body":"that and we'll be links in the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":2931.69,"endTime":2933.88,"body":"show notes to get to there."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2934.09,"endTime":2936.19,"body":"And we're just gonna"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2934.09,"endTime":2936.19,"body":"jump into a new conversation"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2936.19,"endTime":2938.44,"body":"right now. I really wanted to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2936.19,"endTime":2938.44,"body":"talk to Crystal about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2938.71,"endTime":2943.06,"body":"collaboration. I've heard you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2938.71,"endTime":2943.06,"body":"talk before about it. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2943.06,"endTime":2946.63,"body":"mean, it was a while ago, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2943.06,"endTime":2946.63,"body":"think I just, you know, I follow"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2946.63,"endTime":2950.23,"body":"you closely on Instagram. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2946.63,"endTime":2950.23,"body":"like, I just take what I what I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2950.23,"endTime":2954.88,"body":"hear from that. But I know that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2950.23,"endTime":2954.88,"body":"it's like, can be a complicated"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2954.88,"endTime":2959.47,"body":"subject when you're working with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2954.88,"endTime":2959.47,"body":"another individual or a company,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2959.83,"endTime":2962.86,"body":"and then creating a situation"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2959.83,"endTime":2962.86,"body":"where it's like a win win for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2962.86,"endTime":2965.8,"body":"everybody, or like who's in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2962.86,"endTime":2965.8,"body":"control, you know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2966.37,"endTime":2969.73,"body":"So I guess like, personally, how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2966.37,"endTime":2969.73,"body":"do you navigate those types of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2969.73,"endTime":2970.6,"body":"situations?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2971.98,"endTime":2980.08,"body":"Very rarely collaborate,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2971.98,"endTime":2980.08,"body":"collaborate intentionally. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2980.08,"endTime":2981.91,"body":"really try to think about what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2980.08,"endTime":2981.91,"body":"the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2981.91,"endTime":2983.44,"body":"benefit is to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2984.219,"endTime":2990.489,"body":"like me as an individual as the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2984.219,"endTime":2990.489,"body":"artists but also like to, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2990.519,"endTime":2995.769,"body":"my design studio and then also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2990.519,"endTime":2995.769,"body":"thinking about what that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2995.769,"endTime":2999.519,"body":"collaboration could bring into"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2995.769,"endTime":2999.519,"body":"the community. Whether that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2999.519,"endTime":3002.729,"body":"like the end Like the target"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2999.519,"endTime":3002.729,"body":"community that, you know, my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3002.729,"endTime":3006.779,"body":"business and the other business"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3002.729,"endTime":3006.779,"body":"wants to address, and then the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3006.779,"endTime":3010.859,"body":"surrounding communities around"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3006.779,"endTime":3010.859,"body":"that. I think that something"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3010.859,"endTime":3013.979,"body":"that I see often, which makes me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3010.859,"endTime":3013.979,"body":"just kind of want to bomb a bit"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3014.009,"endTime":3017.309,"body":"is like, every five seconds,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3014.009,"endTime":3017.309,"body":"it's a collaboration pop up"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3017.309,"endTime":3021.419,"body":"somewhere. And it's like, this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3017.309,"endTime":3021.419,"body":"takes away like the whole point"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3021.419,"endTime":3024.089,"body":"of why this was cool in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3021.419,"endTime":3024.089,"body":"first place. Like you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3024.089,"endTime":3026.699,"body":"constantly seeing people, the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3024.089,"endTime":3026.699,"body":"thing that I see often in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3026.699,"endTime":3029.519,"body":"Baltimore is a constant"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3026.699,"endTime":3029.519,"body":"recycling of the same"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3029.519,"endTime":3032.459,"body":"collaborations and the same"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3029.519,"endTime":3032.459,"body":"collaborators and partnerships,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3032.849,"endTime":3036.479,"body":"or one that has no real purpose."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3032.849,"endTime":3036.479,"body":"And it's just like, clearly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3036.479,"endTime":3038.909,"body":"these people needed money, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3036.479,"endTime":3038.909,"body":"this was clearly like, thrown"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3038.909,"endTime":3043.289,"body":"together last minute thing. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3038.909,"endTime":3043.289,"body":"how is it that I can find"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3043.289,"endTime":3046.259,"body":"something? You know, we live in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3043.289,"endTime":3046.259,"body":"a time when there's so many pop"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3046.259,"endTime":3047.279,"body":"up concepts"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3047.309,"endTime":3047.849,"body":"and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3048.929,"endTime":3053.579,"body":"local businesses? So it's like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3048.929,"endTime":3053.579,"body":"how can I make my collaboration"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3053.579,"endTime":3059.309,"body":"and my pop up, be substantial,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3053.579,"endTime":3059.309,"body":"and that it is not a waste of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3059.339,"endTime":3062.489,"body":"the consumers time, and it's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3059.339,"endTime":3062.489,"body":"a waste of my time? And it's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3062.489,"endTime":3065.519,"body":"a waste of my money? You know?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3062.489,"endTime":3065.519,"body":"And I think that that's one of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3065.519,"endTime":3069.599,"body":"the reasons why I don't do them"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3065.519,"endTime":3069.599,"body":"often. Because it's like, Okay,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3069.599,"endTime":3071.789,"body":"I have to find the right"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3069.599,"endTime":3071.789,"body":"partner, I have to find someone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3071.789,"endTime":3075.689,"body":"that takes my work seriously"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3071.789,"endTime":3075.689,"body":"takes their work seriously. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3075.689,"endTime":3077.909,"body":"it's willing to put in the equal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3075.689,"endTime":3077.909,"body":"amount of effort to make this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3077.909,"endTime":3082.169,"body":"happen. Someone who respects"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3077.909,"endTime":3082.169,"body":"business practices and wants to,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3082.439,"endTime":3087.359,"body":"you know, if I present them with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3082.439,"endTime":3087.359,"body":"an NDA or a contract, we ask for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3087.359,"endTime":3090.689,"body":"a pop up, they're not looking at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3087.359,"endTime":3090.689,"body":"me, like, what, why are you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3090.689,"endTime":3093.449,"body":"doing this, it's like to let"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3090.689,"endTime":3093.449,"body":"them know that I'm being"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3093.449,"endTime":3097.589,"body":"serious. And I don't, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3093.449,"endTime":3097.589,"body":"I don't want my time wasted. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3097.589,"endTime":3101.939,"body":"I think that contracts are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3097.589,"endTime":3101.939,"body":"important. I think that,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3102.239,"endTime":3107.819,"body":"especially in a collaboration, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3102.239,"endTime":3107.819,"body":"think that, you know, unique and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3107.819,"endTime":3111.959,"body":"original, being you creation is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3107.819,"endTime":3111.959,"body":"important, especially in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3111.959,"endTime":3117.689,"body":"collaboration. And I think that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3111.959,"endTime":3117.689,"body":"two businesses or two"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3117.689,"endTime":3121.859,"body":"individuals coming together to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3117.689,"endTime":3121.859,"body":"value it both is bringing to the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3121.859,"endTime":3124.859,"body":"table is the whole purpose of it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3121.859,"endTime":3124.859,"body":"and showing what can be created"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3124.859,"endTime":3127.859,"body":"when two people who highly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3124.859,"endTime":3127.859,"body":"respect each other, coming"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3127.859,"endTime":3131.039,"body":"together. That's like, kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3127.859,"endTime":3131.039,"body":"the point of collaboration, what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3131.039,"endTime":3134.879,"body":"like amazing things can be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3131.039,"endTime":3134.879,"body":"created. If it's all about like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3135.269,"endTime":3139.619,"body":"a power flex, or like trying to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3135.269,"endTime":3139.619,"body":"get in on somebody else's, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3139.859,"endTime":3146.459,"body":"shine, or maybe even like steal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3139.859,"endTime":3146.459,"body":"someone else's recipes or like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3147.839,"endTime":3152.519,"body":"that, that that doesn't, like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3147.839,"endTime":3152.519,"body":"what's the point? You know? So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3152.519,"endTime":3156.419,"body":"for collaboration, I mean,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3152.519,"endTime":3156.419,"body":"again, I don't, I don't do them"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3156.419,"endTime":3160.559,"body":"often. But when I do I really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3156.419,"endTime":3160.559,"body":"like to sit and think in my mind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3160.559,"endTime":3167.129,"body":"I what I do secretly is I make a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3160.559,"endTime":3167.129,"body":"list of people that I'm like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3167.339,"endTime":3170.309,"body":"oh, wow, like, I love what this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3167.339,"endTime":3170.309,"body":"person does. Like, I love pizza,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3170.309,"endTime":3173.489,"body":"llama, how cool is he? Like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3170.309,"endTime":3173.489,"body":"look what he does? Like, how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3173.489,"endTime":3175.949,"body":"could I work with this person?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3173.489,"endTime":3175.949,"body":"What's a way that this would"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3175.949,"endTime":3181.919,"body":"actually, like be beneficial to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3175.949,"endTime":3181.919,"body":"them, not a waste of time, not a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3181.919,"endTime":3186.359,"body":"waste of my time beneficial to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3181.919,"endTime":3186.359,"body":"me, and like, a way for everyone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3186.359,"endTime":3190.049,"body":"to come across, like walk away"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3186.359,"endTime":3190.049,"body":"from the event and be like, wow,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3190.049,"endTime":3193.619,"body":"like, I gotta get to Frederick"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3190.049,"endTime":3193.619,"body":"and try this pizza or Whoa,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3193.619,"endTime":3196.499,"body":"like, I'm so happy that crystal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3193.619,"endTime":3196.499,"body":"did this, it was really cool to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3196.499,"endTime":3201.269,"body":"like, taste these popsicles"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3196.499,"endTime":3201.269,"body":"inspired by"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3202.53,"endTime":3204.3,"body":"Is it wrong to just"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3202.53,"endTime":3204.3,"body":"want to get together and cook"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3204.3,"endTime":3206.43,"body":"with people who you like and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3204.3,"endTime":3206.43,"body":"have a good time just for the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3206.43,"endTime":3210.09,"body":"sake of a good time. So like,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3206.43,"endTime":3210.09,"body":"but one of the reasons I wanted"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3210.09,"endTime":3211.89,"body":"to start what I do is because I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3210.09,"endTime":3211.89,"body":"work by myself, I have a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3211.89,"endTime":3214.74,"body":"personal chef business, I have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3211.89,"endTime":3214.74,"body":"zero people and like sometimes I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3214.74,"endTime":3217.29,"body":"just miss being around people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3214.74,"endTime":3217.29,"body":"are having that connection, like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3217.29,"endTime":3220.98,"body":"peers, like Andrew and I might"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3217.29,"endTime":3220.98,"body":"get together like we did a pop"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3220.98,"endTime":3224.91,"body":"up dinner one time that like, no"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3220.98,"endTime":3224.91,"body":"portion of the money went to a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3224.91,"endTime":3227.94,"body":"charity, I don't feel like we"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3224.91,"endTime":3227.94,"body":"were moving the needle socially,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3227.94,"endTime":3230.04,"body":"it was just like two people who"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3227.94,"endTime":3230.04,"body":"like each other getting"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3230.04,"endTime":3233.64,"body":"together, cooking. So I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3230.04,"endTime":3233.64,"body":"kind of I get your points. I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3233.64,"endTime":3235.74,"body":"also feel like a lot of these"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3233.64,"endTime":3235.74,"body":"guys just get together because"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3235.74,"endTime":3238.32,"body":"they want to cook with other"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3235.74,"endTime":3238.32,"body":"people they like to see, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3238.32,"endTime":3240.6,"body":"know, one chef leave their"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3238.32,"endTime":3240.6,"body":"restaurant and do a pop up with"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3240.6,"endTime":3243.27,"body":"another probably because they're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3240.6,"endTime":3243.27,"body":"just like, good friends who want"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3243.27,"endTime":3248.31,"body":"to cook together. And also, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3243.27,"endTime":3248.31,"body":"know, sharing followers or fans,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3248.52,"endTime":3250.59,"body":"I think goes both ways. You"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3248.52,"endTime":3250.59,"body":"know, like Andrew and I have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3250.59,"endTime":3253.74,"body":"totally different followers and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3250.59,"endTime":3253.74,"body":"demographics, I think and I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3253.74,"endTime":3256.26,"body":"think it is good for me to get"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3253.74,"endTime":3256.26,"body":"in front of some of his"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3256.26,"endTime":3258.57,"body":"customers and vice versa. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3258.599,"endTime":3261.689,"body":"you know, no, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3258.599,"endTime":3261.689,"body":"knocking. I'm not knocking that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3261.689,"endTime":3266.609,"body":"I'm saying I think that's great."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3261.689,"endTime":3266.609,"body":"But I also am not gonna waste my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3266.609,"endTime":3272.189,"body":"time turning that into an event"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3266.609,"endTime":3272.189,"body":"if it's not done. I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3272.189,"endTime":3275.429,"body":"don't know about anyone else"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3272.189,"endTime":3275.429,"body":"listening but as a small"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3275.429,"endTime":3279.719,"body":"business owner who does not have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3275.429,"endTime":3279.719,"body":"a space, it takes a lot of time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3279.719,"endTime":3283.979,"body":"to do that. I have to rent a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3279.719,"endTime":3283.979,"body":"space to make food I have to go"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3283.979,"endTime":3288.269,"body":"out and buy ingredients that are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3283.979,"endTime":3288.269,"body":"going to cost more if I don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3288.269,"endTime":3292.379,"body":"buy them in bulk and and so then"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3288.269,"endTime":3292.379,"body":"I'm going to go out and do we're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3292.469,"endTime":3295.199,"body":"going to spend more money on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3292.469,"endTime":3295.199,"body":"ingredients, cooking for a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3295.199,"endTime":3299.249,"body":"smaller pop up. It just it's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3295.199,"endTime":3299.249,"body":"cost effective. I think it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3299.249,"endTime":3302.039,"body":"great to let go And I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3299.249,"endTime":3302.039,"body":"that's, that's the business"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3302.039,"endTime":3305.909,"body":"mindset switch over for me it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3302.039,"endTime":3305.909,"body":"like, which oftentimes does not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3305.909,"endTime":3308.759,"body":"happen and pop up businesses and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3305.909,"endTime":3308.759,"body":"concepts. People are like, I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3308.759,"endTime":3311.369,"body":"just doing it because I love to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3308.759,"endTime":3311.369,"body":"do it and, and it's like, Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3311.369,"endTime":3314.789,"body":"but are you losing more money"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3311.369,"endTime":3314.789,"body":"now at this point, there's one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3314.789,"endTime":3317.609,"body":"way to you can collaborate and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3314.789,"endTime":3317.609,"body":"it doesn't have to be a pop up."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3317.609,"endTime":3320.279,"body":"And it can just be at your home"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3317.609,"endTime":3320.279,"body":"telling what your friends and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3320.279,"endTime":3323.669,"body":"cooking. But when you are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3320.279,"endTime":3323.669,"body":"turning it into like a public"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3323.669,"endTime":3326.999,"body":"thing, and you're making it,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3323.669,"endTime":3326.999,"body":"you're making the decision to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3326.999,"endTime":3332.039,"body":"make it a way to bring in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3326.999,"endTime":3332.039,"body":"business and make money. Like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3332.579,"endTime":3336.209,"body":"it needs to make money and needs"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3332.579,"endTime":3336.209,"body":"to make money like you can't,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3336.209,"endTime":3339.269,"body":"you can't just pop up and like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3336.209,"endTime":3339.269,"body":"have fun with friends and cook,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3339.839,"endTime":3342.419,"body":"and then lose money. Because"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3339.839,"endTime":3342.419,"body":"it's like that doesn't make it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3342.419,"endTime":3346.619,"body":"sustainable. You have to be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3342.419,"endTime":3346.619,"body":"strategic with how you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3346.619,"endTime":3349.649,"body":"collaborate, it just doesn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3346.619,"endTime":3349.649,"body":"make sense to not,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3350.369,"endTime":3352.409,"body":"I don't know, Does"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3350.369,"endTime":3352.409,"body":"any of that go back to kind of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3352.409,"endTime":3356.009,"body":"like a non quantifiable"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3352.409,"endTime":3356.009,"body":"marketing though, because this"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3356.009,"endTime":3359.219,"body":"is almost the counterpoint to I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3356.009,"endTime":3359.219,"body":"think what our last two or three"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3359.219,"endTime":3362.069,"body":"chefs have talked about, which"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3359.219,"endTime":3362.069,"body":"is like, it takes money to make"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3362.069,"endTime":3365.009,"body":"money. And sometimes you got to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3362.069,"endTime":3365.009,"body":"go do an event and do a pop up"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3365.009,"endTime":3367.919,"body":"and give away food, just to get"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3365.009,"endTime":3367.919,"body":"in front of people, like these"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3367.919,"endTime":3370.619,"body":"people maybe have never"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3367.919,"endTime":3370.619,"body":"experienced your food. And you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3370.619,"endTime":3373.019,"body":"know, it's gonna cost you a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3370.619,"endTime":3373.019,"body":"couple 100 bucks on food, but"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3373.019,"endTime":3375.329,"body":"then maybe you're gonna get them"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3373.019,"endTime":3375.329,"body":"as a customer."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3376.44,"endTime":3380.31,"body":"I mean, yes, and no,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3376.44,"endTime":3380.31,"body":"like, you can do that in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3380.31,"endTime":3383.07,"body":"market setting, right? Like you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3380.31,"endTime":3383.07,"body":"can do that at a farmers market,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3383.07,"endTime":3386.13,"body":"you can do that there are ways"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3383.07,"endTime":3386.13,"body":"that have a higher return where"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3386.13,"endTime":3389.37,"body":"you are likely one of his money"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3386.13,"endTime":3389.37,"body":"instead of just doing as a pop"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3389.37,"endTime":3392.58,"body":"up, like a pop up is not a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3389.37,"endTime":3392.58,"body":"guarantee, especially when you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3392.58,"endTime":3393.69,"body":"are the person bringing in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3393.689,"endTime":3394.649,"body":"audience. Like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3394.86,"endTime":3397.47,"body":"if you guys like did a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3394.86,"endTime":3397.47,"body":"collaboration at a brewery or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3397.47,"endTime":3402.21,"body":"something. And you know, the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3397.47,"endTime":3402.21,"body":"brewery has no food there. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3402.24,"endTime":3404.43,"body":"you know, sometimes they have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3402.24,"endTime":3404.43,"body":"people that are hungry, and you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3404.43,"endTime":3408.0,"body":"guys both don't necessarily have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3404.43,"endTime":3408.0,"body":"the strongest following. That's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3408.42,"endTime":3412.32,"body":"a very high likelihood of a loss"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3408.42,"endTime":3412.32,"body":"of money. Yeah, very high. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3412.32,"endTime":3416.46,"body":"to me, it's like, okay, like, if"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3412.32,"endTime":3416.46,"body":"I sign up, though, for a market"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3416.58,"endTime":3419.64,"body":"table, like at a farmers market"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3416.58,"endTime":3419.64,"body":"or something, yeah, you're gonna"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3419.64,"endTime":3422.16,"body":"have bad weeks where you lose"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3419.64,"endTime":3422.16,"body":"money, but the visibility is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3422.16,"endTime":3426.09,"body":"there, you know, the possibility"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3422.16,"endTime":3426.09,"body":"of like, returning customers is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3426.09,"endTime":3429.21,"body":"there. That's what I mean, when"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3426.09,"endTime":3429.21,"body":"I'm talking about collaboration"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3429.21,"endTime":3432.63,"body":"and being strategic, just making"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3429.21,"endTime":3432.63,"body":"sure like, this is actually"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3432.63,"endTime":3436.65,"body":"worth your time and your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3432.63,"endTime":3436.65,"body":"collaborators time. Because at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3436.65,"endTime":3439.62,"body":"the end of the day, like when"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3436.65,"endTime":3439.62,"body":"you do these pop ups and spaces,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3439.83,"endTime":3443.4,"body":"oftentimes, like you won't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3439.83,"endTime":3443.4,"body":"necessarily get like the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3443.4,"endTime":3446.73,"body":"generous brewery that's like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3443.4,"endTime":3446.73,"body":"oh, pop up for free. Oftentimes,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3446.73,"endTime":3449.1,"body":"they'll be like, Oh, you guys"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3446.73,"endTime":3449.1,"body":"want to pop up here, when we get"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3449.1,"endTime":3452.16,"body":"a portion of your sales, or we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3449.1,"endTime":3452.16,"body":"need you to pay this leg vendor"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3452.16,"endTime":3455.58,"body":"fee, knowing that they don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3452.16,"endTime":3455.58,"body":"have the traffic flow, knowing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3455.58,"endTime":3458.25,"body":"that, you know, it's up to you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3455.58,"endTime":3458.25,"body":"guys to promote, if you don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3458.25,"endTime":3460.29,"body":"promote knowing that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3458.25,"endTime":3460.29,"body":"aren't, they have no intention"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3460.29,"endTime":3461.55,"body":"of promoting your pop up."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3461.67,"endTime":3467.07,"body":"So even like contributing to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3461.67,"endTime":3467.07,"body":"Yeah, yeah. And then it's not to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3467.07,"endTime":3469.17,"body":"me, that's not even really,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3467.07,"endTime":3469.17,"body":"that's not a conversation, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3469.17,"endTime":3471.12,"body":"mean, a collaboration, that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3469.17,"endTime":3471.12,"body":"just,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3471.239,"endTime":3473.939,"body":"but that happens so many times,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3471.239,"endTime":3473.939,"body":"and especially when you have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3473.939,"endTime":3476.969,"body":"people that are like, oh, we'd"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3473.939,"endTime":3476.969,"body":"love to partner with you, or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3476.969,"endTime":3479.369,"body":"we'd love to collab with you."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3476.969,"endTime":3479.369,"body":"And it's like, what does that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3479.369,"endTime":3482.429,"body":"what does that mean? What does"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3479.369,"endTime":3482.429,"body":"that look like? Especially in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3482.429,"endTime":3487.529,"body":"the time of food influencers"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3482.429,"endTime":3487.529,"body":"like so, which to me is your Bs,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3487.559,"endTime":3491.279,"body":"I cannot stand the food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3487.559,"endTime":3491.279,"body":"influencer movement, because it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3491.279,"endTime":3494.579,"body":"is oftentimes people who have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3491.279,"endTime":3494.579,"body":"never worked in the industry a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3494.579,"endTime":3500.909,"body":"day in their life and have the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3494.579,"endTime":3500.909,"body":"money to have disposable income"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3500.939,"endTime":3506.699,"body":"to frequent all of these places."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3500.939,"endTime":3506.699,"body":"And really create a narrative of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3506.699,"endTime":3512.459,"body":"like, what food is like in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3506.699,"endTime":3512.459,"body":"city or what a food industry"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3512.459,"endTime":3515.219,"body":"should be. But they get all of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3512.459,"endTime":3515.219,"body":"these, like, really tight"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3515.219,"endTime":3520.169,"body":"relationships with chefs in, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3515.219,"endTime":3520.169,"body":"know, restaurant owners just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3520.169,"endTime":3524.609,"body":"because they are taking photos"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3520.169,"endTime":3524.609,"body":"of food, they have no real"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3524.609,"endTime":3527.519,"body":"understanding of like, the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3524.609,"endTime":3527.519,"body":"sourcing behind the food, they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3527.519,"endTime":3531.749,"body":"have no real understanding of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3527.519,"endTime":3531.749,"body":"the culture. And that's like in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3531.749,"endTime":3535.289,"body":"house culture and also culture"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3531.749,"endTime":3535.289,"body":"of the food beings are. They are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3535.289,"endTime":3539.639,"body":"just there to get free food and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3535.289,"endTime":3539.639,"body":"also have friends, fake friends"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3539.639,"endTime":3542.159,"body":"like internet friends, and I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3539.639,"endTime":3542.159,"body":"saying I just I don't I don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3542.159,"endTime":3543.449,"body":"like it. I think it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3542.159,"endTime":3543.449,"body":"disgusting. A"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3543.449,"endTime":3545.639,"body":"couple weeks ago, I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3543.449,"endTime":3545.639,"body":"was talking online to a bunch of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3545.639,"endTime":3549.419,"body":"people I said, food is a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3545.639,"endTime":3549.419,"body":"commodity. And they make it even"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3549.419,"endTime":3552.599,"body":"more so that like if you look at"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3549.419,"endTime":3552.599,"body":"their Instagram feeds, very"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3552.599,"endTime":3556.289,"body":"rarely are there pictures of the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3552.599,"endTime":3556.289,"body":"chef, the restaurant and the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3556.289,"endTime":3559.439,"body":"other side. It's just the whole"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3556.289,"endTime":3559.439,"body":"feed is like three burgers"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3559.439,"endTime":3562.799,"body":"stacked on top of each other"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3559.439,"endTime":3562.799,"body":"oozing, you know, all this like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3562.859,"endTime":3566.789,"body":"kind of unicorn food, right?"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3562.859,"endTime":3566.789,"body":"It's like this 18 layer rainbow"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3566.789,"endTime":3572.279,"body":"cake that's spewing Skittles."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3566.789,"endTime":3572.279,"body":"But there's very little, quite"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3572.279,"endTime":3575.759,"body":"often no times even tagging the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3572.279,"endTime":3575.759,"body":"chef or you know, they'll"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3575.759,"endTime":3577.769,"body":"probably tag the business or"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3575.759,"endTime":3577.769,"body":"something. And I just see these"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3577.769,"endTime":3581.039,"body":"people these events and they"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3577.769,"endTime":3581.039,"body":"come in, they're not there for"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3581.039,"endTime":3583.559,"body":"the if there's if there's an"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3581.039,"endTime":3583.559,"body":"event I'm speaking I go to a lot"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3583.559,"endTime":3586.259,"body":"of food events where you see"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3583.559,"endTime":3586.259,"body":"these food influencers show up"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3586.259,"endTime":3588.689,"body":"and they could care less about"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3586.259,"endTime":3588.689,"body":"whoever the speaker is, or if"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3588.689,"endTime":3591.149,"body":"there's some kind of men are"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3588.689,"endTime":3591.149,"body":"just there for the food. And the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3591.149,"endTime":3594.419,"body":"photos and the kind of swarm the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3591.149,"endTime":3594.419,"body":"tables, take their photos and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3594.419,"endTime":3597.359,"body":"balance with no mention of the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3594.419,"endTime":3597.359,"body":"chef creating it, maybe the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3597.359,"endTime":3599.879,"body":"restaurant they're from or even"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3597.359,"endTime":3599.879,"body":"what that event was. They just"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3599.879,"endTime":3603.149,"body":"want To go, be first in line and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3599.879,"endTime":3603.149,"body":"get a picture of this lamb"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3603.149,"endTime":3606.779,"body":"lollipop, and then bounce and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3603.149,"endTime":3606.779,"body":"get their free food and they're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3606.779,"endTime":3610.079,"body":"just kind of removing the food"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3606.779,"endTime":3610.079,"body":"from the whole thing that goes"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3610.079,"endTime":3612.689,"body":"into it. And that's what I find"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":3610.079,"endTime":3612.689,"body":"annoying."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3612.809,"endTime":3615.629,"body":"I think the thing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3612.809,"endTime":3615.629,"body":"that's awesome about it. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3615.629,"endTime":3620.819,"body":"mean, I had a former former"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3615.629,"endTime":3620.819,"body":"colleague of mine, who is a food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3620.819,"endTime":3624.809,"body":"influencer. And as a former"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3620.819,"endTime":3624.809,"body":"because I had to have a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3624.809,"endTime":3632.849,"body":"conversation with him about how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3624.809,"endTime":3632.849,"body":"he uses his platform. He posted"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3632.849,"endTime":3636.089,"body":"about I don't know if you guys"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3632.849,"endTime":3636.089,"body":"recall a few, a few levels. Last"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3636.089,"endTime":3639.479,"body":"year, a few months back when"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3636.089,"endTime":3639.479,"body":"there was that raid on the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3639.479,"endTime":3645.119,"body":"chicken factory that were all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3639.479,"endTime":3645.119,"body":"the immigrants were arrested."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3645.479,"endTime":3650.939,"body":"And he posted something about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3645.479,"endTime":3650.939,"body":"like, food media in his story."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3650.939,"endTime":3655.049,"body":"He was like food media should be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3650.939,"endTime":3655.049,"body":"covering this more. You know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3655.049,"endTime":3656.999,"body":"but they don't ever want to talk"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3655.049,"endTime":3656.999,"body":"about that. All they want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3656.999,"endTime":3661.109,"body":"talk about is like their chefs"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3656.999,"endTime":3661.109,"body":"and restaurants. Like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3662.639,"endTime":3665.789,"body":"you are someone who goes to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3662.639,"endTime":3665.789,"body":"restaurants, pulls out your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3665.789,"endTime":3670.109,"body":"like, little flash and takes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3665.789,"endTime":3670.109,"body":"photos of food. So I messaged"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3670.109,"endTime":3673.439,"body":"him, and I was like, You are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3670.109,"endTime":3673.439,"body":"aware that you are a food media."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3673.919,"endTime":3677.879,"body":"And he was like, What? No, I go"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3673.919,"endTime":3677.879,"body":"to restaurants and take photos"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3677.879,"endTime":3680.999,"body":"of food I was like that is food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3677.879,"endTime":3680.999,"body":"media. And I don't think that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3680.999,"endTime":3684.029,"body":"understand the ways that we are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3680.999,"endTime":3684.029,"body":"also complicit. I was like, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3684.029,"endTime":3687.869,"body":"know, you are literally someone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3684.029,"endTime":3687.869,"body":"that controls the narrative"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3687.869,"endTime":3690.059,"body":"locally, and you don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3687.869,"endTime":3690.059,"body":"understand the stories that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3690.059,"endTime":3693.719,"body":"you're telling are not good and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3690.059,"endTime":3693.719,"body":"fair. And they are not the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3693.719,"endTime":3698.489,"body":"reality. And he has had a story"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3693.719,"endTime":3698.489,"body":"not long ago about a couple of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3698.489,"endTime":3701.639,"body":"restaurants that actually didn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3698.489,"endTime":3701.639,"body":"recently. It was a couple of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3701.639,"endTime":3705.749,"body":"weeks before. It was this whole"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3701.639,"endTime":3705.749,"body":"crazy story was a couple of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3705.749,"endTime":3709.469,"body":"weeks before Bon appetit had"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3705.749,"endTime":3709.469,"body":"named a few restaurants here"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3709.469,"endTime":3712.499,"body":"like best new restaurants, one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3709.469,"endTime":3712.499,"body":"of the like finalists for best"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3712.499,"endTime":3716.399,"body":"new restaurants in America. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3712.499,"endTime":3716.399,"body":"he had also been contacted a few"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3716.399,"endTime":3721.499,"body":"weeks before in the summertime"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3716.399,"endTime":3721.499,"body":"by Bon appetit to like, hey,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3721.499,"endTime":3724.709,"body":"like can you come to this event"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3721.499,"endTime":3724.709,"body":"that we're going to do at this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3724.709,"endTime":3728.189,"body":"restaurant in Baltimore. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3724.709,"endTime":3728.189,"body":"think it was for like food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3728.189,"endTime":3731.369,"body":"market like chef Chad Dallas or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3728.189,"endTime":3731.369,"body":"something and he was supposed to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3731.369,"endTime":3735.269,"body":"come and it was like sponsored"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3731.369,"endTime":3735.269,"body":"by tell him look ice cream. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3735.269,"endTime":3738.839,"body":"he was like he was supposed to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3735.269,"endTime":3738.839,"body":"come and like take photos and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3738.839,"endTime":3741.659,"body":"and also like pump it up and get"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3738.839,"endTime":3741.659,"body":"local people in Baltimore to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3741.659,"endTime":3747.299,"body":"like, show up to this Bon"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3741.659,"endTime":3747.299,"body":"appetit sponsored event. And he"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3747.299,"endTime":3749.939,"body":"had shared that with me. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3747.299,"endTime":3749.939,"body":"was like, Oh, are you gonna go"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3749.939,"endTime":3753.149,"body":"and he's like, no, like, maybe I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3749.939,"endTime":3753.149,"body":"shouldn't like, I'm not really a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3753.149,"endTime":3756.449,"body":"fan of like that chef and like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3753.149,"endTime":3756.449,"body":"happy operates his business. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3756.689,"endTime":3760.799,"body":"he had also just opened a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3756.689,"endTime":3760.799,"body":"restaurant that was like, a very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3760.799,"endTime":3766.259,"body":"tacky like, quote, take on Asian"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3760.799,"endTime":3766.259,"body":"cuisine. And it was like a fake"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3766.259,"endTime":3770.399,"body":"bodega in the front with like Wu"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3766.259,"endTime":3770.399,"body":"Tang blastin. And like hip hop"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3770.399,"endTime":3773.429,"body":"posters all over the place."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3770.399,"endTime":3773.429,"body":"Obviously, it didn't last very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3773.429,"endTime":3776.699,"body":"long. I think it was open for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3773.429,"endTime":3776.699,"body":"two months. So he chose not to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3776.699,"endTime":3780.869,"body":"go to this event. This was a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3776.699,"endTime":3780.869,"body":"petite event. But he also then"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3780.869,"endTime":3788.339,"body":"further like, chose to support a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3780.869,"endTime":3788.339,"body":"restaurant group that has very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3788.339,"endTime":3791.579,"body":"problematic hiring practices,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3788.339,"endTime":3791.579,"body":"and that they don't hire any"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3791.579,"endTime":3795.419,"body":"Baltimore natives. And they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3791.579,"endTime":3795.419,"body":"don't hire any real, like any"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3795.419,"endTime":3797.909,"body":"people of color. Really, they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3795.419,"endTime":3797.909,"body":"have maybe one or two out of the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3797.909,"endTime":3802.199,"body":"three establishments that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3797.909,"endTime":3802.199,"body":"have. Maybe four people of color"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3802.199,"endTime":3806.249,"body":"working in front of house, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3802.199,"endTime":3806.249,"body":"none of them are Baltimore"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3806.249,"endTime":3809.369,"body":"natives. And they are occupied"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3806.249,"endTime":3809.369,"body":"for white and poor black"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3809.399,"endTime":3814.229,"body":"neighborhoods. And he was saying"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3809.399,"endTime":3814.229,"body":"how like, he posted something"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3814.229,"endTime":3818.909,"body":"and said, how diverse they were,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3814.229,"endTime":3818.909,"body":"how diverse this restaurant was."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3818.969,"endTime":3822.149,"body":"And like all these restaurants,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3818.969,"endTime":3822.149,"body":"they have beautiful spaces, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3822.149,"endTime":3825.839,"body":"they're so diverse. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3822.149,"endTime":3825.839,"body":"commented, this is all very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3825.839,"endTime":3828.239,"body":"true. These are so beautiful."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3825.839,"endTime":3828.239,"body":"These spaces are beautiful. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3828.239,"endTime":3832.169,"body":"love the concepts this person"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3828.239,"endTime":3832.169,"body":"creates, however, not diverse."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3832.619,"endTime":3835.589,"body":"That's all I said. And it turned"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3832.619,"endTime":3835.589,"body":"into this huge back and forth"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3835.589,"endTime":3838.859,"body":"about like me being negative and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3835.589,"endTime":3838.859,"body":"me not being supportive of local"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3838.859,"endTime":3842.729,"body":"food business. And I was like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3838.859,"endTime":3842.729,"body":"No, this is me just being honest"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3842.729,"endTime":3845.549,"body":"about what's happening and not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3842.729,"endTime":3845.549,"body":"being in the back pocket of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3845.549,"endTime":3849.299,"body":"somebody that is giving you like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3845.549,"endTime":3849.299,"body":"free Japanese whiskey and wines"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3849.299,"endTime":3852.749,"body":"and like, you know, so to me,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3849.299,"endTime":3852.749,"body":"it's kind of like it but then"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3852.749,"endTime":3855.179,"body":"like a couple weeks later, or a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3852.749,"endTime":3855.179,"body":"couple months later what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3855.179,"endTime":3860.339,"body":"happened. That restaurant group"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3855.179,"endTime":3860.339,"body":"became a finalist of Bon appetit"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3860.339,"endTime":3864.869,"body":"magazines like, you know, best"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3860.339,"endTime":3864.869,"body":"restaurants in the country. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3864.869,"endTime":3867.599,"body":"I know how these things work"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3864.869,"endTime":3867.599,"body":"because I've been contacted a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3867.599,"endTime":3871.679,"body":"number of times by publications"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3867.599,"endTime":3871.679,"body":"like this, they don't come here"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3871.859,"endTime":3875.369,"body":"they come they ask the person"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3871.859,"endTime":3875.369,"body":"that is influencer in the area"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3875.399,"endTime":3878.699,"body":"that has been a nationally"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3875.399,"endTime":3878.699,"body":"recognized influencer, who are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3878.699,"endTime":3882.059,"body":"the people that we should check"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3878.699,"endTime":3882.059,"body":"out in this area. And they will"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3882.059,"endTime":3885.179,"body":"take that suggestion and then"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3882.059,"endTime":3885.179,"body":"they will come down, do some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3885.179,"endTime":3887.669,"body":"research on it come down and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3885.179,"endTime":3887.669,"body":"then have an experience for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3887.669,"endTime":3890.159,"body":"themselves and be like You know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3887.669,"endTime":3890.159,"body":"what, you're right. That's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3890.219,"endTime":3893.879,"body":"destiny restaurant. And that is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3890.219,"endTime":3893.879,"body":"what happened. They came down"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3893.879,"endTime":3896.459,"body":"and they were like, you know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3893.879,"endTime":3896.459,"body":"what destiny restaurant these"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3896.459,"endTime":3899.219,"body":"places best best new coffee"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3896.459,"endTime":3899.219,"body":"shop. Best thing is that and the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3899.219,"endTime":3902.699,"body":"other one No real understanding"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3899.219,"endTime":3902.699,"body":"of like the social political"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3902.699,"endTime":3906.299,"body":"climate of the city, no more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3902.699,"endTime":3906.299,"body":"understanding that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3906.299,"endTime":3910.559,"body":"this, this young hipster concept"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3906.299,"endTime":3910.559,"body":"has opened up in a poor black"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3910.559,"endTime":3914.459,"body":"community and like what they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3910.559,"endTime":3914.459,"body":"like awarding of best new"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3914.459,"endTime":3917.249,"body":"restaurant will now in turn do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3914.459,"endTime":3917.249,"body":"to people who are renting"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3918.359,"endTime":3922.259,"body":"businesses or apartments or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3918.359,"endTime":3922.259,"body":"otherwise. And when I addressed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3922.259,"endTime":3924.629,"body":"to him, like, you know, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3922.259,"endTime":3924.629,"body":"don't understand what you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3924.629,"endTime":3928.379,"body":"doing with your media platform"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3924.629,"endTime":3928.379,"body":"as a food influencer, you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3928.379,"endTime":3931.619,"body":"going around saying, This is the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3928.379,"endTime":3931.619,"body":"verse and this is the best this,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3931.919,"endTime":3934.229,"body":"and you're talking about these"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3931.919,"endTime":3934.229,"body":"like white male chefs and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3934.229,"endTime":3937.409,"body":"certain other, but you don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3934.229,"endTime":3937.409,"body":"understand how you're a tool for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3937.409,"endTime":3941.309,"body":"these young hipster chefs. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3937.409,"endTime":3941.309,"body":"he got very much offended by it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3941.309,"endTime":3943.349,"body":"and was like, you know, you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3941.309,"endTime":3943.349,"body":"just so negative, you want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3943.349,"endTime":3945.659,"body":"point out the negative"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3943.349,"endTime":3945.659,"body":"everything that we're doing, or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3945.659,"endTime":3948.479,"body":"that anybody's doing. I'm trying"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3945.659,"endTime":3948.479,"body":"to bring people together and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3948.479,"endTime":3950.879,"body":"highlight the least problematic"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3948.479,"endTime":3950.879,"body":"people in the food community."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3950.879,"endTime":3951.299,"body":"It's like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3951.419,"endTime":3952.289,"body":"no, you're not,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3952.469,"endTime":3954.989,"body":"you're highlighting the cool hit"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3952.469,"endTime":3954.989,"body":"people in the food community."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3954.989,"endTime":3959.579,"body":"It's like, you can't, it's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3954.989,"endTime":3959.579,"body":"always racial, but it is always"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3959.579,"endTime":3963.959,"body":"like, it looks different every"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3959.579,"endTime":3963.959,"body":"time. And so to me, I think that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3963.959,"endTime":3966.839,"body":"if we understood our power as"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3963.959,"endTime":3966.839,"body":"influencers, whether that was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3966.839,"endTime":3972.479,"body":"chefs, or food bloggers, or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3966.839,"endTime":3972.479,"body":"whatever, all of us play a role"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3972.479,"endTime":3978.329,"body":"in. And the thing that that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3972.479,"endTime":3978.329,"body":"really grinds my gears about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3978.569,"endTime":3982.469,"body":"food influencers is that they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3978.569,"endTime":3982.469,"body":"distorting the narrative of what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3982.499,"endTime":3986.159,"body":"good food is, what real food is,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3982.499,"endTime":3986.159,"body":"what chefs look like, and what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3986.159,"endTime":3989.219,"body":"hard work and diversity and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3986.159,"endTime":3989.219,"body":"inclusion look like, they are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3989.219,"endTime":3991.709,"body":"the ones especially when they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3989.219,"endTime":3991.709,"body":"young, and especially when"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3991.709,"endTime":3995.399,"body":"they're young and of color, they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3991.709,"endTime":3995.399,"body":"are the ones that are saying"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3995.459,"endTime":3998.579,"body":"this is okay, this level of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3995.459,"endTime":3998.579,"body":"inclusion is okay, this level of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3998.579,"endTime":4003.829,"body":"diversity is okay. And you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3998.579,"endTime":4003.829,"body":"they can come in, take a really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4003.829,"endTime":4008.839,"body":"beautiful well lit photo and get"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4003.829,"endTime":4008.839,"body":"like, fire a whole menu and then"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4008.839,"endTime":4012.109,"body":"like they can afford to do all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4008.839,"endTime":4012.109,"body":"those things. And then they can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4012.109,"endTime":4016.759,"body":"leave and just be like, oh,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4012.109,"endTime":4016.759,"body":"where to next? Yeah, and throw"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4016.759,"endTime":4021.049,"body":"the trash or be like where to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4016.759,"endTime":4021.049,"body":"next and not really understand"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4021.469,"endTime":4022.159,"body":"the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4022.25,"endTime":4025.13,"body":"the toxic Nick toxic narrative"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4022.25,"endTime":4025.13,"body":"that they've just contributed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4025.13,"endTime":4029.66,"body":"to, or the story that they've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4025.13,"endTime":4029.66,"body":"created. Now, that is not the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4029.66,"endTime":4033.8,"body":"reality of what this restaurant"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4029.66,"endTime":4033.8,"body":"group, or restaurants actually"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4033.8,"endTime":4037.79,"body":"doing in the community that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4033.8,"endTime":4037.79,"body":"they're in. So I hate"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4038.24,"endTime":4042.65,"body":"influencers. Yeah, I hate them,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4038.24,"endTime":4042.65,"body":"and I think need to be stopped."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4042.65,"endTime":4045.56,"body":"I don't hate them. Let me stop."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4042.65,"endTime":4045.56,"body":"I think they can do some good at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4045.56,"endTime":4048.47,"body":"times. But I do think they need"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4045.56,"endTime":4048.47,"body":"to be more mindful with the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4048.47,"endTime":4050.93,"body":"things that they post and the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4048.47,"endTime":4050.93,"body":"things that they share. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4050.93,"endTime":4054.44,"body":"think they need to understand"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4050.93,"endTime":4054.44,"body":"that they are the new food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4054.44,"endTime":4058.79,"body":"media, they're the reason why a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4054.44,"endTime":4058.79,"body":"number of local newspapers have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4058.79,"endTime":4063.02,"body":"stopped running food sections,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4058.79,"endTime":4063.02,"body":"or have a very short, small"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4063.95,"endTime":4066.74,"body":"critique and review session,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4063.95,"endTime":4066.74,"body":"because no one is reading that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4066.74,"endTime":4069.11,"body":"anymore. Everyone's going"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4066.74,"endTime":4069.11,"body":"digital. And the place that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4069.11,"endTime":4071.75,"body":"go to where they're trying to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4069.11,"endTime":4071.75,"body":"find the best restaurant is a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4071.75,"endTime":4075.32,"body":"place to go when they want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4071.75,"endTime":4075.32,"body":"eat Instagram, or Twitter or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4075.32,"endTime":4077.84,"body":"whatever. They're not going to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4075.32,"endTime":4077.84,"body":"Baltimore Sun"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4078.05,"endTime":4082.52,"body":"eat section. And then that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4078.05,"endTime":4082.52,"body":"person, not specifically but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4082.52,"endTime":4090.38,"body":"like that influencer? By no"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4082.52,"endTime":4090.38,"body":"democracy of the of the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4090.41,"endTime":4093.65,"body":"community or city they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4090.41,"endTime":4093.65,"body":"representing like they get to be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4094.49,"endTime":4095.21,"body":"the gatekeeper."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4095.42,"endTime":4098.51,"body":"Yeah, and what does that also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4095.42,"endTime":4098.51,"body":"say when they are not from that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4098.51,"endTime":4102.53,"body":"city, and they have no real"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4098.51,"endTime":4102.53,"body":"understanding of like, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4102.53,"endTime":4105.23,"body":"that's the person that political"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4102.53,"endTime":4105.23,"body":"theory and gets to pick and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4105.23,"endTime":4110.42,"body":"choose on the success in that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4105.23,"endTime":4110.42,"body":"city as a food business. If they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4110.45,"endTime":4116.75,"body":"if their idea of good food is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4110.45,"endTime":4116.75,"body":"centered in whiteness, or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4116.75,"endTime":4120.17,"body":"proximity to whiteness, or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4116.75,"endTime":4120.17,"body":"European cuisine, or its"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4120.2,"endTime":4124.94,"body":"proximity to European cuisine,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4120.2,"endTime":4124.94,"body":"the metal problem, especially in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4124.94,"endTime":4129.71,"body":"a city that is 65%, black like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4124.94,"endTime":4129.71,"body":"Baltimore is that is so that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4129.71,"endTime":4134.57,"body":"such a problem. Anytime that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4129.71,"endTime":4134.57,"body":"someone who has control over who"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4134.57,"endTime":4138.8,"body":"is successful or who find"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4134.57,"endTime":4138.8,"body":"success in the food scene is one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4138.8,"endTime":4141.41,"body":"that from there and has no real"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4138.8,"endTime":4141.41,"body":"understanding of the issues"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4141.41,"endTime":4145.31,"body":"facing people who are from us"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4141.41,"endTime":4145.31,"body":"from a city like Baltimore, has"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4145.31,"endTime":4150.08,"body":"control that that's a problem to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4145.31,"endTime":4150.08,"body":"me, and I do not, I don't know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4150.08,"endTime":4153.2,"body":"it may come up as like a very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4150.08,"endTime":4153.2,"body":"nativist thing to say, but I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4153.2,"endTime":4157.16,"body":"think that if you're here, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4153.2,"endTime":4157.16,"body":"should have an investment in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4157.16,"endTime":4160.37,"body":"people. And if you don't have an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4157.16,"endTime":4160.37,"body":"investment in the people in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4160.37,"endTime":4165.68,"body":"city that you've relocated to,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4160.37,"endTime":4165.68,"body":"then you don't have the right to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4165.68,"endTime":4167.18,"body":"have a voice to speak for them."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4167.389,"endTime":4169.699,"body":"Well, and that was"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4167.389,"endTime":4169.699,"body":"becoming like corporate and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4169.699,"endTime":4172.909,"body":"unionized because an influencer"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4169.699,"endTime":4172.909,"body":"used to be someone who talked"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4172.909,"endTime":4176.149,"body":"about things they liked. And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4172.909,"endTime":4176.149,"body":"they did it for free. And you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4176.149,"endTime":4179.119,"body":"listened to them because you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4176.149,"endTime":4179.119,"body":"know, I respect Andrew and if"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4179.119,"endTime":4182.569,"body":"Andrews eating at this place,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4179.119,"endTime":4182.569,"body":"but like have you seen zip kick,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4182.809,"endTime":4185.389,"body":"like so I actually have their"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4182.809,"endTime":4185.389,"body":"website up right now because"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4185.389,"endTime":4188.839,"body":"there's so many people if the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4185.389,"endTime":4188.839,"body":"tag is a global marketplace that"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4188.839,"endTime":4191.599,"body":"connects freelancers,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4188.839,"endTime":4191.599,"body":"influencers and consumer brands"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4191.599,"endTime":4196.819,"body":"and are satisfied partners,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4191.599,"endTime":4196.819,"body":"McDonald's, Rubio, but basically"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4196.819,"endTime":4200.089,"body":"what you're seeing is four roses"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4196.819,"endTime":4200.089,"body":"bourbon, so now if you want To"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4200.089,"endTime":4203.599,"body":"be like an influencer in the DC"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4200.089,"endTime":4203.599,"body":"market, you go to zip cake and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4203.599,"endTime":4208.879,"body":"you apply and they connect you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4203.599,"endTime":4208.879,"body":"with a local zip kick affiliate"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4208.879,"endTime":4212.659,"body":"influencer, who is building a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4208.879,"endTime":4212.659,"body":"team. So then you're basically"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4212.659,"endTime":4214.999,"body":"on part of a team. And I know"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4212.659,"endTime":4214.999,"body":"some of these people that have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4214.999,"endTime":4218.119,"body":"some idea of how it works. So"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4214.999,"endTime":4218.119,"body":"now it's not just an individual"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4218.269,"endTime":4221.239,"body":"going out eating places, taking"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4218.269,"endTime":4221.239,"body":"pictures of food and things they"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4221.239,"endTime":4224.509,"body":"like, they're actually getting"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4221.239,"endTime":4224.509,"body":"set up. And you have to go"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4224.509,"endTime":4229.099,"body":"through a gatekeeper of whoever"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4224.509,"endTime":4229.099,"body":"the local zip kick, you know,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4229.099,"endTime":4234.949,"body":"brand affiliate connector. And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4229.099,"endTime":4234.949,"body":"you're basically now just being"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4235.279,"endTime":4239.239,"body":"working working for someone else"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4235.279,"endTime":4239.239,"body":"as a media agency, pretending to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4239.239,"endTime":4243.499,"body":"be true and authentic, when"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4239.239,"endTime":4243.499,"body":"really, they're not. And now"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4243.499,"endTime":4245.839,"body":"you're seeing these people going"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4243.499,"endTime":4245.839,"body":"and posting food, have some"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4245.839,"endTime":4247.969,"body":"local restaurants, and then"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4245.839,"endTime":4247.969,"body":"they'll do a sponsored post by"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4247.969,"endTime":4250.969,"body":"McDonald's. And I've and I've"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4247.969,"endTime":4250.969,"body":"talked to some of these people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4250.969,"endTime":4253.039,"body":"and said to them, like, Don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4250.969,"endTime":4253.039,"body":"you feel that hurts your"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4253.039,"endTime":4256.459,"body":"credibility? And the answer to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4253.039,"endTime":4256.459,"body":"me was, it pays the bills, like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4256.459,"endTime":4260.029,"body":"when McDonald's put out the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4256.459,"endTime":4260.029,"body":"spicy chicken sandwich or"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4260.029,"endTime":4265.429,"body":"whatever, a couple months ago,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4260.029,"endTime":4265.429,"body":"all the DC food bloggers, who"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4265.429,"endTime":4268.159,"body":"are affiliated with zip kick,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4265.429,"endTime":4268.159,"body":"went and did sponsored posts for"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4268.159,"endTime":4271.549,"body":"McDonald's. And it's like, in my"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4268.159,"endTime":4271.549,"body":"mind, like, I would never do"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4271.549,"endTime":4274.969,"body":"that to my brand. But I guess"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4271.549,"endTime":4274.969,"body":"some people don't care and go"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4274.969,"endTime":4277.399,"body":"for the money. I mean, I guess"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4274.969,"endTime":4277.399,"body":"it pays the bills, right?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4279.98,"endTime":4281.78,"body":"I didn't even know that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4279.98,"endTime":4281.78,"body":"was a thing. See, and that's,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4282.11,"endTime":4285.11,"body":"that's what I'm talking about."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4282.11,"endTime":4285.11,"body":"Like the fact that people have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4285.11,"endTime":4288.29,"body":"now is really what we were"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4285.11,"endTime":4288.29,"body":"talking about on the break. You"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4288.29,"endTime":4292.85,"body":"know, that decision of like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4288.29,"endTime":4292.85,"body":"making that choice of like, when"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4292.85,"endTime":4295.37,"body":"I when I decided to do the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4292.85,"endTime":4295.37,"body":"Patreon and why I decided to do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4295.37,"endTime":4299.75,"body":"the Patreon I contacted often to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4295.37,"endTime":4299.75,"body":"do things like that I sent free"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4299.75,"endTime":4304.25,"body":"stuff, I get sent, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4299.75,"endTime":4304.25,"body":"gift cards here, but I have to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4304.25,"endTime":4307.04,"body":"like agree to like, they'll"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4304.25,"endTime":4307.04,"body":"activate the gift card as soon"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4307.04,"endTime":4311.45,"body":"as I agree to like, share a post"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4307.04,"endTime":4311.45,"body":"about where I went and did and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4311.45,"endTime":4315.2,"body":"like that added a hashtag does"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4311.45,"endTime":4315.2,"body":"that I don't do that. Because I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4315.2,"endTime":4320.39,"body":"know the power of my voice. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4315.2,"endTime":4320.39,"body":"I understand like, to them, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4320.39,"endTime":4323.51,"body":"like $50, and they can just send"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4320.39,"endTime":4323.51,"body":"me but to me, I know what my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4323.54,"endTime":4328.88,"body":"voice is saying. And I know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4323.54,"endTime":4328.88,"body":"what, what that can then be a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4328.88,"endTime":4330.17,"body":"catalyst. And I'm"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4330.17,"endTime":4332.06,"body":"going to go on"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4330.17,"endTime":4332.06,"body":"record. I don't personally have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4332.06,"endTime":4334.79,"body":"problems with that. In fact, I'm"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4332.06,"endTime":4334.79,"body":"hoping that some of the chefs in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4334.79,"endTime":4337.73,"body":"our organization can make true"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4334.79,"endTime":4337.73,"body":"partnerships with business"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4337.73,"endTime":4340.85,"body":"brands. I mean, I think would be"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4337.73,"endTime":4340.85,"body":"smart for if Andrews already"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4340.85,"endTime":4346.01,"body":"using this brand tomato. To do"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4340.85,"endTime":4346.01,"body":"that. I mean, I've gotten deals,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4346.01,"endTime":4349.82,"body":"I posted something on Instagram"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4346.01,"endTime":4349.82,"body":"and it had photos of like deli"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4349.88,"endTime":4352.37,"body":"court containers that I used to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4349.88,"endTime":4352.37,"body":"hold stuff in and a company"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4352.37,"endTime":4355.28,"body":"reached out and said like, Hey,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4352.37,"endTime":4355.28,"body":"can we send you a box of court"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4355.28,"endTime":4357.77,"body":"containers and some money to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4355.28,"endTime":4357.77,"body":"your PayPal? Like I was already"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4357.77,"endTime":4361.91,"body":"using them anyway. It's not like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4357.77,"endTime":4361.91,"body":"me taking money from Coca Cola,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4361.91,"endTime":4365.54,"body":"but I don't drink soda. So I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4361.91,"endTime":4365.54,"body":"still think there are ways to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4365.54,"endTime":4369.8,"body":"work with brands that you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4365.54,"endTime":4369.8,"body":"respect and like, and if someone"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4369.8,"endTime":4371.6,"body":"wants to sponsor me, we're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4369.8,"endTime":4371.6,"body":"always talking about we're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4371.6,"endTime":4373.85,"body":"looking for sponsors for the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4371.6,"endTime":4373.85,"body":"show, and if it's the right"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4373.85,"endTime":4377.24,"body":"person, the right brand, so you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4373.85,"endTime":4377.24,"body":"know, I just want to make sure I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4377.24,"endTime":4379.4,"body":"go on record. Now. I don't want"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4377.24,"endTime":4379.4,"body":"people to know I know Chris"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4379.4,"endTime":4384.68,"body":"tacos, deli containers, money,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4379.4,"endTime":4384.68,"body":"and then a sponsored post but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4387.56,"endTime":4391.58,"body":"with partnering,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4387.56,"endTime":4391.58,"body":"collaboration, collaborative"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4391.64,"endTime":4396.23,"body":"mindset is something that is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4391.64,"endTime":4396.23,"body":"beneficial to building your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4396.23,"endTime":4400.1,"body":"brand whether that's like reach"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4396.23,"endTime":4400.1,"body":"wise or financially but I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4400.1,"endTime":4403.73,"body":"you have to think about when"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4400.1,"endTime":4403.73,"body":"your partnership what your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4403.73,"endTime":4407.42,"body":"partnership and what that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4403.73,"endTime":4407.42,"body":"collaboration says about your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4408.02,"endTime":4411.05,"body":"brand I guess if we're gonna say"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4408.02,"endTime":4411.05,"body":"brand is that what that says"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4411.05,"endTime":4414.5,"body":"about your brand? what that says"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4411.05,"endTime":4414.5,"body":"about your mission? what that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4414.5,"endTime":4418.7,"body":"says about that company and why"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4414.5,"endTime":4418.7,"body":"they want to partner with you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4419.78,"endTime":4422.33,"body":"The thing that I see a problem"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4419.78,"endTime":4422.33,"body":"the thing that I think is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4422.33,"endTime":4427.55,"body":"problematic about the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4422.33,"endTime":4427.55,"body":"sponsorship of which I can't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4427.55,"endTime":4430.91,"body":"believe that's a thing like a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4427.55,"endTime":4430.91,"body":"food influencer posting about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4430.91,"endTime":4435.17,"body":"McDonald's is these are the same"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4430.91,"endTime":4435.17,"body":"people that will be like going"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4435.17,"endTime":4439.58,"body":"to a Michelin star restaurant"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4435.17,"endTime":4439.58,"body":"and talking about like they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4439.58,"endTime":4442.34,"body":"treat their or talking about a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4439.58,"endTime":4442.34,"body":"local restaurant group it's all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4442.34,"endTime":4444.98,"body":"about how they treat their"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4442.34,"endTime":4444.98,"body":"employees like crap. What do you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4444.98,"endTime":4449.03,"body":"think they treat their employees"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4444.98,"endTime":4449.03,"body":"like at freakin McDonald's like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4449.03,"endTime":4452.36,"body":"and then you want to talk about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4449.03,"endTime":4452.36,"body":"how like you can go from one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4452.36,"endTime":4455.72,"body":"farm to table restaurant and be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4452.36,"endTime":4455.72,"body":"like posting and talking about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4455.72,"endTime":4457.91,"body":"farm to table restaurant all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4455.72,"endTime":4457.91,"body":"these like very bespoke"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4457.91,"endTime":4461.0,"body":"ingredients that they use and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4457.91,"endTime":4461.0,"body":"then go post about me,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4461.21,"endTime":4463.01,"body":"but I don't know"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4461.21,"endTime":4463.01,"body":"that a lot of them do what i"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4463.01,"endTime":4467.3,"body":"mean i don't see a lot of really"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4463.01,"endTime":4467.3,"body":"good food influencers getting"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4467.3,"endTime":4469.43,"body":"into those places. I see a lot"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4467.3,"endTime":4469.43,"body":"of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4469.58,"endTime":4471.86,"body":"I do and then actually"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4469.58,"endTime":4471.86,"body":"one of my colleagues the one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4471.86,"endTime":4476.48,"body":"that I was talking about was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4471.86,"endTime":4476.48,"body":"contacted by Yeah."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4479.27,"endTime":4481.25,"body":"But do you think"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4479.27,"endTime":4481.25,"body":"they're more the rarity though"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4481.25,"endTime":4483.98,"body":"for the high end because I see a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4481.25,"endTime":4483.98,"body":"lot of like a mom and pop shop"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4483.98,"endTime":4487.52,"body":"opens like a new ramen place or"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4483.98,"endTime":4487.52,"body":"a chicken and waffles. And then"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4487.52,"endTime":4491.33,"body":"they get like a gaggle of food"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4487.52,"endTime":4491.33,"body":"influencers to go in. And it"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4491.33,"endTime":4494.27,"body":"seems to be kind of like they're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4491.33,"endTime":4494.27,"body":"giving away $8 Chicken and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4494.27,"endTime":4497.36,"body":"Waffles but you're not"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4494.27,"endTime":4497.36,"body":"necessarily getting comped a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4497.36,"endTime":4499.67,"body":"$200 Michelin star meal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4499.82,"endTime":4502.34,"body":"plan The thing I don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4499.82,"endTime":4502.34,"body":"think they're getting comped it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4502.37,"endTime":4506.3,"body":"but what it's doing is creating"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4502.37,"endTime":4506.3,"body":"this, like desire, this desire"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4506.3,"endTime":4510.53,"body":"to want to become this desire to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4506.3,"endTime":4510.53,"body":"want to go to this place without"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4510.53,"endTime":4513.83,"body":"really understanding the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4510.53,"endTime":4513.83,"body":"practices of that restaurant,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4513.89,"endTime":4517.43,"body":"right? It's like creating this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4513.89,"endTime":4517.43,"body":"exclusivity and saying like, Oh,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4517.43,"endTime":4520.94,"body":"this is cool. I want to go here,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4517.43,"endTime":4520.94,"body":"like, how do I get there,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4520.94,"endTime":4524.12,"body":"everyone's posting about this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4520.94,"endTime":4524.12,"body":"place now. But the reality is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4524.12,"endTime":4531.02,"body":"like they are, they have very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4524.12,"endTime":4531.02,"body":"bigoted hiring practices. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4531.68,"endTime":4535.01,"body":"they don't treat women well that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4531.68,"endTime":4535.01,"body":"work for their restaurant group"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4535.01,"endTime":4539.45,"body":"like, but you've now created"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4535.01,"endTime":4539.45,"body":"this narrative of like desire"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4539.45,"endTime":4542.93,"body":"and like exclusivity, like you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4539.45,"endTime":4542.93,"body":"can post all these things and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4542.93,"endTime":4545.75,"body":"talk about how great a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4542.93,"endTime":4545.75,"body":"restaurant is. But you have no"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4545.75,"endTime":4548.51,"body":"again, going back to influences,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4545.75,"endTime":4548.51,"body":"not having any real"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4548.51,"endTime":4552.38,"body":"understanding about how the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4548.51,"endTime":4552.38,"body":"industry works. As far as like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4552.41,"endTime":4555.32,"body":"working in front of house or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4552.41,"endTime":4555.32,"body":"working in backup house or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4555.32,"endTime":4557.78,"body":"sourcing of ingredients, none of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4555.32,"endTime":4557.78,"body":"those things, they have no real"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4557.78,"endTime":4562.49,"body":"concept, they just know that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4557.78,"endTime":4562.49,"body":"they can get that exclusivity"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4562.49,"endTime":4566.09,"body":"and that cool factor of posting,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4562.49,"endTime":4566.09,"body":"most of them don't work in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4566.09,"endTime":4568.58,"body":"food or have a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4566.09,"endTime":4568.58,"body":"background and this isn't their"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4568.58,"endTime":4571.1,"body":"job, it's extra money for them"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4568.58,"endTime":4571.1,"body":"now. Yeah. And they weren't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4571.1,"endTime":4574.46,"body":"getting it or whatever. And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4571.1,"endTime":4574.46,"body":"they've never worked a day in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4574.46,"endTime":4576.95,"body":"their life in the food industry"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4574.46,"endTime":4576.95,"body":"and know very little about what"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4576.95,"endTime":4580.4,"body":"goes on behind the scenes, and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4576.95,"endTime":4580.4,"body":"practices of spices. But it goes"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4580.4,"endTime":4582.32,"body":"back to what you're saying about"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4580.4,"endTime":4582.32,"body":"like taking grant money, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4582.32,"endTime":4585.53,"body":"want to have the hard"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4582.32,"endTime":4585.53,"body":"conversations and maybe some"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4585.65,"endTime":4588.56,"body":"radical ideas. But if you're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4585.65,"endTime":4588.56,"body":"taking money from a company,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4588.56,"endTime":4591.74,"body":"they're going to want to limit"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4588.56,"endTime":4591.74,"body":"what you say or what your guests"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4591.74,"endTime":4594.17,"body":"say. And I think if you want to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4591.74,"endTime":4594.17,"body":"have true freedom to do what you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4594.17,"endTime":4597.14,"body":"want and say what you want, then"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4594.17,"endTime":4597.14,"body":"you can't be beholden to anyone"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4597.14,"endTime":4598.55,"body":"who's paying the bill."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4598.58,"endTime":4601.4,"body":"Yeah. unbought and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4598.58,"endTime":4601.4,"body":"unbossed. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4602.33,"endTime":4605.18,"body":"Like, you can't, you just can't,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4602.33,"endTime":4605.18,"body":"there's no way to."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4606.89,"endTime":4609.2,"body":"I don't know, I think there are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4606.89,"endTime":4609.2,"body":"ways to be strategic with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4609.2,"endTime":4615.68,"body":"sponsorship and collaboration"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4609.2,"endTime":4615.68,"body":"that can help further grow a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4615.68,"endTime":4618.68,"body":"movement, but it won't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4615.68,"endTime":4618.68,"body":"necessarily further the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4618.68,"endTime":4621.92,"body":"movement, right? It's always"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4618.68,"endTime":4621.92,"body":"like when people say like, can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4621.92,"endTime":4625.55,"body":"you dismantle a system from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4621.92,"endTime":4625.55,"body":"within? Like, the answer is no,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4625.58,"endTime":4628.82,"body":"like you kind of can't like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4625.58,"endTime":4628.82,"body":"it's, you have to kind of step"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4628.82,"endTime":4633.68,"body":"away from it is always like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4628.82,"endTime":4633.68,"body":"that, that. I mean, I created a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4633.68,"endTime":4637.07,"body":"piece of work around that idea,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4633.68,"endTime":4637.07,"body":"called the table of white"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4637.07,"endTime":4641.84,"body":"supremacy. And it was like a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4637.07,"endTime":4641.84,"body":"feast, a table of food, which"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4641.87,"endTime":4644.36,"body":"each item on the table"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4641.87,"endTime":4644.36,"body":"represented a byproduct of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4644.36,"endTime":4647.9,"body":"supremacy, and how, at the end,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4644.36,"endTime":4647.9,"body":"we all ate from the table,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4647.93,"endTime":4650.78,"body":"because we were all we're all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4647.93,"endTime":4650.78,"body":"complicit regardless of whether"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4650.78,"endTime":4654.29,"body":"or not we want to be or even if"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4650.78,"endTime":4654.29,"body":"we know that we are. And to me,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4654.29,"endTime":4657.38,"body":"I created that out of always"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4654.29,"endTime":4657.38,"body":"hearing like, we need a seat at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4657.38,"endTime":4659.9,"body":"the table, ladies need a seat at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4657.38,"endTime":4659.9,"body":"the table that's like, I don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4659.9,"endTime":4663.77,"body":"want to sit at this table. Like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4659.9,"endTime":4663.77,"body":"that's a very old mindset to me,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4663.77,"endTime":4666.77,"body":"like this table was never"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4663.77,"endTime":4666.77,"body":"created for me to sit at. And if"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4666.77,"endTime":4669.62,"body":"I'm sitting here, there is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4666.77,"endTime":4669.62,"body":"something wrong with that."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4669.74,"endTime":4671.93,"body":"Because I don't want to sit at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4669.74,"endTime":4671.93,"body":"this table. This table doesn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4671.93,"endTime":4674.75,"body":"serve me, it doesn't serve my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4671.93,"endTime":4674.75,"body":"people. It doesn't serve the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4674.75,"endTime":4678.74,"body":"vision that I have for the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4674.75,"endTime":4678.74,"body":"future. So how do I change"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4678.74,"endTime":4682.85,"body":"things at this table? I can't, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4678.74,"endTime":4682.85,"body":"have to walk away and I have to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4682.85,"endTime":4686.24,"body":"build my own table. Like there"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4682.85,"endTime":4686.24,"body":"are things that I can take from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4686.24,"endTime":4690.17,"body":"my experience at the table, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4686.24,"endTime":4690.17,"body":"maybe like, recreate. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4690.17,"endTime":4694.01,"body":"oftentimes, that's not really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4690.17,"endTime":4694.01,"body":"the best option. You just have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4694.01,"endTime":4696.89,"body":"to like, go and create your own"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4694.01,"endTime":4696.89,"body":"path. And I think that's like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4696.89,"endTime":4699.35,"body":"what we just talked about, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4696.89,"endTime":4699.35,"body":"you guys creating a podcast and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4699.65,"endTime":4703.16,"body":"me doing the design thing. It's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4699.65,"endTime":4703.16,"body":"like, it's difficult, yes. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4703.16,"endTime":4706.82,"body":"oftentimes to create the vision"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4703.16,"endTime":4706.82,"body":"for the future that we have for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4707.03,"endTime":4712.46,"body":"our work and for food. And for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4707.03,"endTime":4712.46,"body":"anything, we have to kind of go"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4712.46,"endTime":4716.42,"body":"outside of the box and just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4712.46,"endTime":4716.42,"body":"create something that may not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4716.42,"endTime":4719.99,"body":"necessarily be new, but might be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4716.42,"endTime":4719.99,"body":"new to your respective community"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4719.99,"endTime":4724.4,"body":"or just new to you. We can't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4719.99,"endTime":4724.4,"body":"just kind of keep doing the same"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4724.4,"endTime":4726.29,"body":"thing and expect to get"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4724.4,"endTime":4726.29,"body":"different results."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4726.41,"endTime":4728.78,"body":"Yeah, I mean, one"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4726.41,"endTime":4728.78,"body":"of my things, and Andrew turned"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4728.78,"endTime":4730.97,"body":"it over. And we've talked a lot"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4728.78,"endTime":4730.97,"body":"about like this working for free"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4730.97,"endTime":4733.46,"body":"and getting chefs to work for"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4730.97,"endTime":4733.46,"body":"free. And I'll post things on"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4733.46,"endTime":4735.74,"body":"our Facebook group. And some"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4733.46,"endTime":4735.74,"body":"people basically say like, stay"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4735.74,"endTime":4738.32,"body":"in your lane. Like, if you don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4735.74,"endTime":4738.32,"body":"want to do it, no one's forcing"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4738.32,"endTime":4740.39,"body":"you to do it. But it's like, if"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4738.32,"endTime":4740.39,"body":"no one holds these people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4740.39,"endTime":4743.12,"body":"accountable and pushes back,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4740.39,"endTime":4743.12,"body":"then nothing ever changes. If"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4743.12,"endTime":4745.55,"body":"you year after year, hold the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4743.12,"endTime":4745.55,"body":"same event and get people to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4745.55,"endTime":4748.16,"body":"work for free and nobody ever"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4745.55,"endTime":4748.16,"body":"calls you on it, then they're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4748.16,"endTime":4751.58,"body":"never going to offer to pay you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4748.16,"endTime":4751.58,"body":"money. And this is the first"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4751.58,"endTime":4754.58,"body":"time I'm starting to kind of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4751.58,"endTime":4754.58,"body":"come in an advocacy role and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4754.58,"endTime":4757.85,"body":"pushing back and I wrote some"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4754.58,"endTime":4757.85,"body":"letters this past month to some"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4757.85,"endTime":4760.79,"body":"organization saying you know, I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4757.85,"endTime":4760.79,"body":"got the notices that you're"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4761.03,"endTime":4763.4,"body":"looking for free food from chefs"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4761.03,"endTime":4763.4,"body":"and I want to put it back on"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4763.4,"endTime":4766.64,"body":"you. Why do you think you don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4763.4,"endTime":4766.64,"body":"have to pay them for their their"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4766.64,"endTime":4769.73,"body":"labor and their goods. And I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4766.64,"endTime":4769.73,"body":"feel like that was the spark"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4769.73,"endTime":4772.88,"body":"because then it did trigger"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4769.73,"endTime":4772.88,"body":"other people in my organization"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4772.88,"endTime":4776.66,"body":"to write the same letter to them"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4772.88,"endTime":4776.66,"body":"saying the same thing. And I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4776.66,"endTime":4779.39,"body":"don't know that it's changing"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4776.66,"endTime":4779.39,"body":"anything this year, but nobody"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4779.39,"endTime":4781.7,"body":"want it. Everyone is afraid of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4779.39,"endTime":4781.7,"body":"being blackballed. Nobody wants"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4781.7,"endTime":4784.4,"body":"to be the one to come out and"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4781.7,"endTime":4784.4,"body":"say I won't do it because of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4784.4,"endTime":4787.55,"body":"this. They just say, Sorry, I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4784.4,"endTime":4787.55,"body":"can't but like there's power in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4787.55,"endTime":4790.49,"body":"numbers. And that's what I'm"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4787.55,"endTime":4790.49,"body":"trying to do is like standing up"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4790.49,"endTime":4792.59,"body":"and saying like, no, this isn't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4790.49,"endTime":4792.59,"body":"okay. You have this event every"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4792.59,"endTime":4796.7,"body":"year, and you want people to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4792.59,"endTime":4796.7,"body":"give away food for 800 people"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4796.82,"endTime":4802.1,"body":"for free. No, that's not cool."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4796.82,"endTime":4802.1,"body":"You shouldn't expect that and do"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4802.1,"endTime":4807.11,"body":"and do better. You know, it's a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4802.1,"endTime":4807.11,"body":"for profit agency, it's not a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4807.11,"endTime":4810.8,"body":"charity. It's an event that's"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4807.11,"endTime":4810.8,"body":"making money. So you need to be"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4810.8,"endTime":4814.73,"body":"paying people for this, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4810.8,"endTime":4814.73,"body":"gonna bang that drum. And some"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4814.73,"endTime":4817.16,"body":"people are gonna get on board"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4814.73,"endTime":4817.16,"body":"and some people, they don't want"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4817.16,"endTime":4818.48,"body":"to speak up, but that's okay,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4817.16,"endTime":4818.48,"body":"too."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4818.96,"endTime":4821.54,"body":"I think that's why I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4818.96,"endTime":4821.54,"body":"mean, I always tell my family"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4821.54,"endTime":4826.91,"body":"like, you know, the exposure pay"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4821.54,"endTime":4826.91,"body":"thing just blows my mind. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4826.91,"endTime":4829.82,"body":"it's constantly people are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4826.91,"endTime":4829.82,"body":"saying, Oh, this will be good"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4829.82,"endTime":4832.37,"body":"exposure, like you should do it."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4829.82,"endTime":4832.37,"body":"It'll be good exposure now,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4832.73,"endTime":4835.22,"body":"like, sometimes I do find myself"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4832.73,"endTime":4835.22,"body":"like, Alright, you know what,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4835.22,"endTime":4838.01,"body":"like, this would be good"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4835.22,"endTime":4838.01,"body":"exposure. And actually don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4838.01,"endTime":4841.67,"body":"mind it is kind of a line. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4838.01,"endTime":4841.67,"body":"sure, why not. But oftentimes,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4841.67,"endTime":4844.01,"body":"very rarely does that come"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4841.67,"endTime":4844.01,"body":"across like very rarely do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4844.01,"endTime":4846.86,"body":"opportunities present themselves"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4844.01,"endTime":4846.86,"body":"in that way. And when they do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4846.86,"endTime":4850.58,"body":"present themselves, I really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4846.86,"endTime":4850.58,"body":"have to wait. Because if you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4850.58,"endTime":4853.94,"body":"think about it, like people die"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4850.58,"endTime":4853.94,"body":"in the wilderness from exposure."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4856.07,"endTime":4859.22,"body":"Think about it. It's like people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4856.07,"endTime":4859.22,"body":"died from exposure. And that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4859.22,"endTime":4861.53,"body":"literally what happens to a lot"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4859.22,"endTime":4861.53,"body":"of these small businesses and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4861.53,"endTime":4864.86,"body":"pop up. Like, I remember seeing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4861.53,"endTime":4864.86,"body":"a video the other day online"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4864.86,"endTime":4868.25,"body":"about this woman who had this,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4864.86,"endTime":4868.25,"body":"this golf knockoff, this tennis"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4868.25,"endTime":4872.42,"body":"visor, that she created for,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4868.25,"endTime":4872.42,"body":"like when you're actively like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4872.42,"endTime":4876.23,"body":"paint sports out in the sun, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4872.42,"endTime":4876.23,"body":"it protects your face. One day,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4876.23,"endTime":4880.07,"body":"this woman who was like caught"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4876.23,"endTime":4880.07,"body":"up in a scandal, like celebrity,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4880.1,"endTime":4884.66,"body":"she wore the visor, and her"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4880.1,"endTime":4884.66,"body":"sales went from like, nothing to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4884.66,"endTime":4887.81,"body":"like, insane. Like, they were"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4884.66,"endTime":4887.81,"body":"like, went super through the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4887.81,"endTime":4890.84,"body":"roof, her visor visor went"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4887.81,"endTime":4890.84,"body":"viral, and it almost killed her"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4890.84,"endTime":4893.96,"body":"business. So it's like exposure,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4890.84,"endTime":4893.96,"body":"yes, can be good. But what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4893.96,"endTime":4898.97,"body":"happens is oftentimes, these"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4893.96,"endTime":4898.97,"body":"businesses are exposed, didn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4899.21,"endTime":4902.12,"body":"even have visibility, and they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4899.21,"endTime":4902.12,"body":"are not at a place where they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4902.12,"endTime":4904.88,"body":"can sustainably support"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4902.12,"endTime":4904.88,"body":"themselves at that high level of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4904.88,"endTime":4907.82,"body":"visibility. And the thing that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4904.88,"endTime":4907.82,"body":"was supposed to help them it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4907.82,"endTime":4910.25,"body":"actually now hurt them. And this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4907.82,"endTime":4910.25,"body":"business goes on,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4910.28,"endTime":4911.9,"body":"there was a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4910.28,"endTime":4911.9,"body":"restaurant, I think it was like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4911.9,"endTime":4914.33,"body":"a burger or something I don't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4911.9,"endTime":4914.33,"body":"remember, maybe it was Esquire"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4914.33,"endTime":4916.58,"body":"like it was a small place in the"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4914.33,"endTime":4916.58,"body":"middle of nowhere. And like a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4916.58,"endTime":4919.01,"body":"food writer or something was"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4916.58,"endTime":4919.01,"body":"like driving through town, like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4919.1,"endTime":4923.06,"body":"I had the best burger of my life"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4919.1,"endTime":4923.06,"body":"there. And it just, it went"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4923.06,"endTime":4925.88,"body":"viral, whether it was eater or"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4923.06,"endTime":4925.88,"body":"bone appetit, rabid or"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4925.88,"endTime":4927.65,"body":"something. And I think"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4925.88,"endTime":4927.65,"body":"eventually they went under"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4927.65,"endTime":4929.51,"body":"because then they had lines out"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4927.65,"endTime":4929.51,"body":"the door. You know, it was like"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4929.51,"endTime":4932.81,"body":"a mom and pop shop just doing"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4929.51,"endTime":4932.81,"body":"like regular food. And then now"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4932.81,"endTime":4935.39,"body":"they've got the best burger in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4932.81,"endTime":4935.39,"body":"the country. And there's lines"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4935.39,"endTime":4937.58,"body":"out the door. So then they start"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4935.39,"endTime":4937.58,"body":"running out of food, and then"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4937.58,"endTime":4940.43,"body":"everyone's pissed. And then all"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4937.58,"endTime":4940.43,"body":"the reviews come in and giving"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4940.43,"endTime":4943.19,"body":"them a one star because I drove"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4940.43,"endTime":4943.19,"body":"three hours to come to this"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4943.19,"endTime":4945.5,"body":"place to get the best burger in"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4943.19,"endTime":4945.5,"body":"my life. And you ran out of beef"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4945.5,"endTime":4948.08,"body":"at two in the afternoon, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4945.5,"endTime":4948.08,"body":"should have expected that. But"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4948.08,"endTime":4950.99,"body":"it was the thing they weren't"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4948.08,"endTime":4950.99,"body":"handled for that, like they blew"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4950.99,"endTime":4954.65,"body":"up literally overnight. And I"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4950.99,"endTime":4954.65,"body":"think they might have eventually"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4954.65,"endTime":4957.38,"body":"closed it was a couple years"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4954.65,"endTime":4957.38,"body":"ago. And you just see that"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4957.38,"endTime":4959.51,"body":"thing. Like they just wanted to"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4957.38,"endTime":4959.51,"body":"go out and do good food and have"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4959.51,"endTime":4963.92,"body":"a business that sustenance"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4959.51,"endTime":4963.92,"body":"sustains them and too much of"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4963.92,"endTime":4967.01,"body":"that exposure. And I think it"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4963.92,"endTime":4967.01,"body":"was just like one piece that put"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4967.01,"endTime":4969.92,"body":"them on the map. I mean, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4967.01,"endTime":4969.92,"body":"know, I think as businesses, you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4969.92,"endTime":4971.87,"body":"kind of hope that you're going"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4969.92,"endTime":4971.87,"body":"to get something like that. But"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4971.87,"endTime":4974.69,"body":"you You know, sometimes be"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4971.87,"endTime":4974.69,"body":"careful what you wish for."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":4974.69,"endTime":4975.08,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4975.2,"endTime":4975.98,"body":"And that's what I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4975.2,"endTime":4975.98,"body":"wasn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4979.67,"endTime":4983.9,"body":"prepared. Okay, if you do take"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4979.67,"endTime":4983.9,"body":"the exposure, pay, sponsorship"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4983.9,"endTime":4988.01,"body":"collaboration, whatever"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4983.9,"endTime":4988.01,"body":"partnership, are you prepared"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4988.01,"endTime":4991.7,"body":"for what this could potentially"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4988.01,"endTime":4991.7,"body":"bring? If it is successful in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4991.7,"endTime":4994.67,"body":"that way? And if it is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4991.7,"endTime":4994.67,"body":"successful in that way? Do you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4994.67,"endTime":5002.92,"body":"have the foresight to say, Okay,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":4994.67,"endTime":5002.92,"body":"we have done enough or, okay,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5002.95,"endTime":5007.51,"body":"we're going to sell out right"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5002.95,"endTime":5007.51,"body":"now, even though we have enough,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5007.63,"endTime":5009.67,"body":"we're going to sell it right"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5007.63,"endTime":5009.67,"body":"now. So that we can build up our"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5009.67,"endTime":5013.6,"body":"reserves, our energy, our time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5009.67,"endTime":5013.6,"body":"our ingredients, whatever our"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5013.6,"endTime":5017.71,"body":"resources so that we can further"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5013.6,"endTime":5017.71,"body":"meet this higher demand. Just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5017.71,"endTime":5022.63,"body":"being able to kind of like, take"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5017.71,"endTime":5022.63,"body":"control, again, take control of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5022.63,"endTime":5028.84,"body":"your your business. So that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5022.63,"endTime":5028.84,"body":"you're not being overwhelmed and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5028.84,"endTime":5031.96,"body":"not being pushed to the point of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5028.84,"endTime":5031.96,"body":"exhaustion and depletion."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5033.13,"endTime":5037.39,"body":"Business wise and also like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5033.13,"endTime":5037.39,"body":"emotionally that can be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5037.39,"endTime":5038.26,"body":"overwhelming."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5041.8,"endTime":5047.35,"body":"For sure. This conversation has"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5041.8,"endTime":5047.35,"body":"been amazing, super insightful,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5047.56,"endTime":5051.1,"body":"and very informative and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5047.56,"endTime":5051.1,"body":"interesting. listeners."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5051.88,"endTime":5053.2,"body":"All over the place. Sorry. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5053.2,"endTime":5056.08,"body":"think you have to go now, right?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5053.2,"endTime":5056.08,"body":"Yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5056.08,"endTime":5057.1,"body":"do have to go."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5058.39,"endTime":5061.18,"body":"Sorry to the listeners. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5058.39,"endTime":5061.18,"body":"we're not even gonna"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5061.209,"endTime":5062.259,"body":"we can do that. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5062.95,"endTime":5065.53,"body":"yeah, we'll take that actually."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5062.95,"endTime":5065.53,"body":"All right, we're gonna I'm gonna"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5065.53,"endTime":5067.54,"body":"ask you some questions. Just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5065.53,"endTime":5067.54,"body":"answer them as fast as you can."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5067.54,"endTime":5071.86,"body":"Sure. It won't. It won't take"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5067.54,"endTime":5071.86,"body":"Yeah. So we're jumping right"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5071.86,"endTime":5075.22,"body":"into it. Okay, on the fly."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5071.86,"endTime":5075.22,"body":"What's your favorite tool in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5075.22,"endTime":5075.64,"body":"kitchen?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5076.03,"endTime":5076.75,"body":"Oh, mandolin."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5078.1,"endTime":5085.36,"body":"What is your favorite food to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5078.1,"endTime":5085.36,"body":"eat? Bacon. If you had all the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5085.36,"endTime":5089.08,"body":"monies, what's the first"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5085.36,"endTime":5089.08,"body":"position you would hire for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5089.08,"endTime":5089.47,"body":"yourself?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5092.77,"endTime":5095.98,"body":"An accountant. That's boring in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5092.77,"endTime":5095.98,"body":"that fun. Tell"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5095.98,"endTime":5096.28,"body":"me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5098.38,"endTime":5099.49,"body":"who's your favorite chef?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5100.84,"endTime":5102.1,"body":"My favorite show,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5105.97,"endTime":5108.61,"body":"I would say,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5109.63,"endTime":5113.83,"body":"I've not has I have not had"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5109.63,"endTime":5113.83,"body":"their food. But one of my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5113.83,"endTime":5116.83,"body":"favorite chefs, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5113.83,"endTime":5116.83,"body":"conceptually, as far as what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5116.83,"endTime":5121.45,"body":"they do, is actually a colleague"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5116.83,"endTime":5121.45,"body":"of mine, oh, Marty. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5121.45,"endTime":5123.88,"body":"actually, we've never formally"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5121.45,"endTime":5123.88,"body":"met, I'll be meeting him next"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5123.88,"endTime":5126.79,"body":"month at a dinner that he's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5123.88,"endTime":5126.79,"body":"doing, which will be my first"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5126.94,"endTime":5131.23,"body":"time tasting food. I'm so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5126.94,"endTime":5131.23,"body":"excited that he has a dinner,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5131.92,"endTime":5137.5,"body":"pop up called honeysuckle pop"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5131.92,"endTime":5137.5,"body":"up. And he's done some really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5137.5,"endTime":5142.48,"body":"amazing things in New York and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5137.5,"endTime":5142.48,"body":"Philly, and I will be at a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5142.84,"endTime":5145.72,"body":"hospitality conference, a food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5142.84,"endTime":5145.72,"body":"and beverage hospitality"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5145.72,"endTime":5148.81,"body":"conference called resistance"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5145.72,"endTime":5148.81,"body":"surge is going to be in New"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5148.81,"endTime":5149.53,"body":"Orleans"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5149.56,"endTime":5150.13,"body":"on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5150.94,"endTime":5157.51,"body":"February 2 to the fifth, and I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5150.94,"endTime":5157.51,"body":"will be there. And he's going to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5157.51,"endTime":5160.42,"body":"have the opening dinner on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5157.51,"endTime":5160.42,"body":"opening night and his dinner"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5160.42,"endTime":5165.31,"body":"series is our really serious"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5160.42,"endTime":5165.31,"body":"dinner series are really their"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5165.31,"endTime":5169.09,"body":"theory, excuse me, they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5165.31,"endTime":5169.09,"body":"really interesting and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5169.09,"endTime":5174.79,"body":"innovative. And I love the way"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5169.09,"endTime":5174.79,"body":"that he uses black American food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5174.79,"endTime":5179.35,"body":"culture in history and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5174.79,"endTime":5179.35,"body":"incorporates it in his menu. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5179.35,"endTime":5182.95,"body":"the preparation and the way that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5179.35,"endTime":5182.95,"body":"it's served is very, like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5182.95,"endTime":5188.11,"body":"visually stunning. And he also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5182.95,"endTime":5188.11,"body":"does poetry as well, which"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5188.11,"endTime":5191.35,"body":"speaks to me because I also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5188.11,"endTime":5191.35,"body":"write poetry. And I like to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5191.35,"endTime":5196.36,"body":"incorporate that when I do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5191.35,"endTime":5196.36,"body":"dinners. So yeah, I think I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5196.36,"endTime":5199.12,"body":"think he's really cool. Sorry,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5196.36,"endTime":5199.12,"body":"that was not a quick answer. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5199.87,"endTime":5204.31,"body":"no, it's totally okay. It needed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5199.87,"endTime":5204.31,"body":"the context. All the listeners,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5204.31,"endTime":5204.79,"body":"yeah,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5204.85,"endTime":5207.22,"body":"honeysuckle pop up his"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5204.85,"endTime":5207.22,"body":"Instagram, I believe."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5207.61,"endTime":5209.05,"body":"All right. So art or science?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5209.74,"endTime":5214.39,"body":"Both? can't have one without the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5209.74,"endTime":5214.39,"body":"other. They coexist? And most"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5214.39,"endTime":5215.74,"body":"people don't understand that."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5214.39,"endTime":5215.74,"body":"But they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5215.74,"endTime":5220.33,"body":"do. Definitely, yeah. What's one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5215.74,"endTime":5220.33,"body":"thing you do differently from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5220.33,"endTime":5227.68,"body":"everybody else? Who are related"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5220.33,"endTime":5227.68,"body":"to food? Or not? Um, I am"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5229.75,"endTime":5234.49,"body":"critical of others, but also"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5229.75,"endTime":5234.49,"body":"very critical of myself. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5234.49,"endTime":5238.75,"body":"think that that is not very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5234.49,"endTime":5238.75,"body":"visually aware. And I think I, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5238.75,"endTime":5241.81,"body":"don't think I'd do it better"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5238.75,"endTime":5241.81,"body":"than anyone. I don't think I do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5241.81,"endTime":5245.26,"body":"it better than anyone else. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5241.81,"endTime":5245.26,"body":"I think I don't do it like many"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5245.26,"endTime":5248.56,"body":"other people. I think people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5245.26,"endTime":5248.56,"body":"think I'm very hard on people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5248.56,"endTime":5251.83,"body":"when I'm always talking about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5248.56,"endTime":5251.83,"body":"the things that are happening."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5251.83,"endTime":5254.68,"body":"But I'm even more hard on myself"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5251.83,"endTime":5254.68,"body":"with the decisions that I make"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5254.68,"endTime":5258.64,"body":"as far as like, businesses I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5254.68,"endTime":5258.64,"body":"support or things that I do or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5258.64,"endTime":5264.79,"body":"don't do, or I fall through on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5258.64,"endTime":5264.79,"body":"goals and plans. So I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5264.79,"endTime":5268.51,"body":"critical, like any Virgo would"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5264.79,"endTime":5268.51,"body":"be, but I'm also very critical"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5268.51,"endTime":5269.65,"body":"of myself as well."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5271.69,"endTime":5273.01,"body":"What's your favorite digital"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5271.69,"endTime":5273.01,"body":"tool?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5274.84,"endTime":5277.12,"body":"Like app or something? Or like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5274.84,"endTime":5277.12,"body":"my phone? What"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5277.12,"endTime":5281.05,"body":"do you it could be, it could be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5277.12,"endTime":5281.05,"body":"app, it could be a scale. It"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5281.05,"endTime":5283.96,"body":"could be a thermometer."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5286.39,"endTime":5290.05,"body":"My favorite digital tool would"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5286.39,"endTime":5290.05,"body":"be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5291.16,"endTime":5292.15,"body":"the internet."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5293.32,"endTime":5295.39,"body":"It's highly highly resourceful."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5296.92,"endTime":5300.1,"body":"Can you recommend a book or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5296.92,"endTime":5300.1,"body":"podcast? Ooh, whoo."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5301.99,"endTime":5305.17,"body":"Oh, my goodness, emergent"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5301.99,"endTime":5305.17,"body":"strategy by Adrian Marie Brown."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5305.2,"endTime":5307.48,"body":"It's not a cookbook,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5305.2,"endTime":5307.48,"body":"unfortunately. But she uses a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5307.48,"endTime":5311.8,"body":"lot of beautiful, flowery"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5307.48,"endTime":5311.8,"body":"language, about creating the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5311.8,"endTime":5315.97,"body":"future that we want, which can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5311.8,"endTime":5315.97,"body":"be applied to a culinary career,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5316.0,"endTime":5322.27,"body":"or just social change around you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5316.0,"endTime":5322.27,"body":"in your respective community,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5322.57,"endTime":5331.03,"body":"and a podcast. I really love 99%"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5322.57,"endTime":5331.03,"body":"invisible. It's a design podcast"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5332.11,"endTime":5337.33,"body":"that really talks about things"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5332.11,"endTime":5337.33,"body":"that we come across every day"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5337.36,"endTime":5340.54,"body":"that you wouldn't know the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5337.36,"endTime":5340.54,"body":"backstory of like, they had a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5340.54,"endTime":5345.01,"body":"really interesting one one time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5340.54,"endTime":5345.01,"body":"on curb cut, like the things on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5345.01,"endTime":5348.43,"body":"the corner that we think are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5345.01,"endTime":5348.43,"body":"like the little ridge, that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5348.43,"endTime":5354.04,"body":"things that I always thought"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5348.43,"endTime":5354.04,"body":"were to keep wheelchairs from,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5354.04,"endTime":5357.85,"body":"like, crossing into the street,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5354.04,"endTime":5357.85,"body":"but it was also I thought they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5357.85,"endTime":5362.53,"body":"were for blind people to like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5357.85,"endTime":5362.53,"body":"but it was like a whole story"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5362.53,"endTime":5364.51,"body":"behind it. And that was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5362.53,"endTime":5364.51,"body":"completely wrong. But it's a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5364.51,"endTime":5369.07,"body":"design podcast that talks about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5364.51,"endTime":5369.07,"body":"how we engage pretty much with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5369.07,"endTime":5373.99,"body":"the world and the history and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5369.07,"endTime":5373.99,"body":"story behind those things. That"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5374.2,"endTime":5377.29,"body":"is very literally, no, literally"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5374.2,"endTime":5377.29,"body":"no, not even think that's the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5377.29,"endTime":5378.34,"body":"word. You know."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5379.78,"endTime":5385.72,"body":"Cool. We'll link both of those"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5379.78,"endTime":5385.72,"body":"in the in the show notes. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5385.72,"endTime":5390.34,"body":"want to ask you next What's your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5385.72,"endTime":5390.34,"body":"favorite culinary resources? Um,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5390.37,"endTime":5394.06,"body":"I would say my favorite Tony"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5390.37,"endTime":5394.06,"body":"resources are most of the time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5394.06,"endTime":5401.65,"body":"cookbooks and design books which"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5394.06,"endTime":5401.65,"body":"does it seem to make sense. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5401.65,"endTime":5405.58,"body":"it's very important. I feel in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5401.65,"endTime":5405.58,"body":"like the aesthetic nature of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5405.58,"endTime":5409.54,"body":"creating a dish, especially if"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5405.58,"endTime":5409.54,"body":"you're a very like creative"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5409.54,"endTime":5413.68,"body":"person. And you don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5409.54,"endTime":5413.68,"body":"necessarily create dishes in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5413.68,"endTime":5416.47,"body":"traditional way. And there are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5413.68,"endTime":5416.47,"body":"stories behind them. I like to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5416.47,"endTime":5421.15,"body":"think of myself as a storyteller"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5416.47,"endTime":5421.15,"body":"with food. So things like color"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5421.15,"endTime":5424.15,"body":"theory books, I look at which I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5421.15,"endTime":5424.15,"body":"have a book, a book that I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5424.15,"endTime":5428.35,"body":"highly recommend is the secret"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5424.15,"endTime":5428.35,"body":"lives of color. This woman did a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5428.35,"endTime":5432.64,"body":"research, I guess, pretty much a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5428.35,"endTime":5432.64,"body":"research book on different"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5432.64,"endTime":5435.79,"body":"colors, their names and why"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5432.64,"endTime":5435.79,"body":"they're named that way. And it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5435.79,"endTime":5441.01,"body":"gives a very interesting history"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5435.79,"endTime":5441.01,"body":"through the light charity of the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5441.01,"endTime":5445.63,"body":"rainbow on why different colors"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5441.01,"endTime":5445.63,"body":"like led white and like silver"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5445.63,"endTime":5450.64,"body":"and where silver came from, and,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5445.63,"endTime":5450.64,"body":"you know, like, talking about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5450.64,"endTime":5455.95,"body":"how Greek mythology they would"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5450.64,"endTime":5455.95,"body":"say things like the rock, the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5455.95,"endTime":5459.37,"body":"wine, Red Sea, and this is at a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5455.95,"endTime":5459.37,"body":"time, like when the sea was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5459.37,"endTime":5461.77,"body":"first mentioned, and the color"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5459.37,"endTime":5461.77,"body":"of the sea was first mentioned"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5461.77,"endTime":5466.36,"body":"in literature was mission as the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5461.77,"endTime":5466.36,"body":"wine red sea. And we know that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5466.36,"endTime":5469.18,"body":"the sea is not red. But what was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5466.36,"endTime":5469.18,"body":"wine like back then? So it kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5469.18,"endTime":5473.26,"body":"of explored this whole history"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5469.18,"endTime":5473.26,"body":"of language and color and how we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5473.26,"endTime":5478.09,"body":"see things today and what color"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5473.26,"endTime":5478.09,"body":"means in food and also in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5478.09,"endTime":5481.42,"body":"history and how that is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5478.09,"endTime":5481.42,"body":"important in the stories that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5481.42,"endTime":5485.74,"body":"tell. But yeah, that's that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5481.42,"endTime":5485.74,"body":"why I think design is so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5485.74,"endTime":5488.86,"body":"important when we talk about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5485.74,"endTime":5488.86,"body":"food. And that's why I was like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5488.86,"endTime":5493.12,"body":"I can't choose art or science"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5488.86,"endTime":5493.12,"body":"because we take this as creators"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5493.12,"endTime":5497.2,"body":"in the world and kind of shape"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5493.12,"endTime":5497.2,"body":"the futures that we want. Cool."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5497.59,"endTime":5501.34,"body":"That was not a fly. I'm so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5497.59,"endTime":5501.34,"body":"sorry. I'm like on the fly."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5504.31,"endTime":5508.45,"body":"If it's good, I'm not gonna"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5504.31,"endTime":5508.45,"body":"shoot anybody. So context is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5508.45,"endTime":5511.48,"body":"very important. All right, how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5508.45,"endTime":5511.48,"body":"do you decompress?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5513.1,"endTime":5518.8,"body":"I'm so ashamed. I'm so ashamed."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5513.1,"endTime":5518.8,"body":"You know I've been decompressing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5518.8,"endTime":5523.78,"body":"with lately. Like an old lady"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5518.8,"endTime":5523.78,"body":"ever playing Candy Crush. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5523.78,"endTime":5525.16,"body":"don't know where this came from."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5525.22,"endTime":5528.13,"body":"I recently just to decompress."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5525.22,"endTime":5528.13,"body":"Man,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5528.49,"endTime":5533.02,"body":"I literally my mom plays candy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5528.49,"endTime":5533.02,"body":"crush on her tablet. And I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5533.02,"endTime":5534.76,"body":"like, I was always like, why"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5533.02,"endTime":5534.76,"body":"don't you do that? And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5534.76,"endTime":5537.25,"body":"remember one day just being"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5534.76,"endTime":5537.25,"body":"like, you know what, I'm gonna"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5537.28,"endTime":5540.43,"body":"try it. And I tried it. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5537.28,"endTime":5540.43,"body":"was like, dang, these little"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5540.43,"endTime":5544.45,"body":"vibrations. I need little candy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5540.43,"endTime":5544.45,"body":"blocks. Like, I get it. This is"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5544.45,"endTime":5545.05,"body":"great. Nothing"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5545.05,"endTime":5547.0,"body":"wrong. So I started"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5545.05,"endTime":5547.0,"body":"playing fortnight, which sounds"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5547.0,"endTime":5550.6,"body":"ridiculous. But because like my"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5547.0,"endTime":5550.6,"body":"son was so obsessed, and he had"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5550.6,"endTime":5552.31,"body":"never played he played a"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5550.6,"endTime":5552.31,"body":"friend's house. I'm like, I'm"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5552.31,"endTime":5554.89,"body":"gonna see what this bullshit"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5552.31,"endTime":5554.89,"body":"video game. And then I'm like,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5554.89,"endTime":5557.44,"body":"now you're not playing this. And"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5554.89,"endTime":5557.44,"body":"that's like, I got like, 10"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5557.44,"endTime":5558.04,"body":"minutes. Like, maybe"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5558.04,"endTime":5559.06,"body":"I'll go on Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5559.12,"endTime":5561.1,"body":"and go play this"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5559.12,"endTime":5561.1,"body":"game for a few. So I like I'll"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5561.1,"endTime":5563.02,"body":"be in bed. My wife's like you"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5561.1,"endTime":5563.02,"body":"played for them? Like, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5563.02,"endTime":5566.89,"body":"like I worked like 15 hours,"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5563.02,"endTime":5566.89,"body":"say, I'm just gonna go like, do"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5566.89,"endTime":5569.53,"body":"this game for like 15 minutes."},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5566.89,"endTime":5569.53,"body":"And then like one in the morning"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5569.53,"endTime":5571.09,"body":"like, oh, man, I need to shut"},{"speaker":"Chris Spear","startTime":5569.53,"endTime":5571.09,"body":"this down."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5571.12,"endTime":5574.39,"body":"I think it's one of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5571.12,"endTime":5574.39,"body":"those things where I feel like I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5575.29,"endTime":5580.3,"body":"am constantly reading."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5575.29,"endTime":5580.3,"body":"constantly reading for fun. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5580.3,"endTime":5584.08,"body":"for research. I'm constantly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5580.3,"endTime":5584.08,"body":"engaging in these very political"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5584.08,"endTime":5588.28,"body":"conversations. I'm constantly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5584.08,"endTime":5588.28,"body":"like doing all of these things"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5588.28,"endTime":5593.68,"body":"that are very emotion filled and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5588.28,"endTime":5593.68,"body":"like politically charged, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5593.68,"endTime":5596.8,"body":"constantly having me thinking"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5593.68,"endTime":5596.8,"body":"and reflecting. Sometimes you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5596.8,"endTime":5600.25,"body":"just want to do something that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5596.8,"endTime":5600.25,"body":"sounds and fun colors and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5600.25,"endTime":5602.83,"body":"doesn't mean anything. It"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5600.25,"endTime":5602.83,"body":"doesn't mean anything. And it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5602.83,"endTime":5605.62,"body":"just like everything else. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5602.83,"endTime":5605.62,"body":"feel that my life has so much"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5605.86,"endTime":5609.04,"body":"meaning and intention, sometimes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5605.86,"endTime":5609.04,"body":"I just truly want to unplug and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5609.04,"endTime":5613.15,"body":"do something that's silly and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5609.04,"endTime":5613.15,"body":"something that's silly and that,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5614.05,"endTime":5621.28,"body":"you know, full of like, such"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5614.05,"endTime":5621.28,"body":"intense thought, especially like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5621.28,"endTime":5626.77,"body":"in living in this crazy country"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5621.28,"endTime":5626.77,"body":"that we live in, right. It's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5626.77,"endTime":5631.51,"body":"always something going on, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5626.77,"endTime":5631.51,"body":"know, so we're never away from,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5632.11,"endTime":5635.02,"body":"like the issues of the day. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5632.11,"endTime":5635.02,"body":"think that a little silly video"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5635.02,"endTime":5636.91,"body":"game is fine. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5637.45,"endTime":5641.08,"body":"I love it. I get sucked into my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5637.45,"endTime":5641.08,"body":"silly little games. I play one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5641.08,"endTime":5645.01,"body":"minute games. It's so intense."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5641.08,"endTime":5645.01,"body":"And I'll do it for like an hour."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5645.94,"endTime":5650.71,"body":"Same way fortnight, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5645.94,"endTime":5650.71,"body":"anyway, what's the best meal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5650.71,"endTime":5652.03,"body":"you've ever had?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5653.02,"endTime":5654.76,"body":"Who ever had,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5655.48,"endTime":5656.35,"body":"um,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5659.32,"endTime":5663.4,"body":"I don't know if I've had the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5659.32,"endTime":5663.4,"body":"best meal ever. I've had like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5663.4,"endTime":5665.8,"body":"top like most memorable meals."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5663.4,"endTime":5665.8,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5666.04,"endTime":5669.37,"body":"what's the most memorable meal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5666.04,"endTime":5669.37,"body":"you've ever had? Um, just pick"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5669.94,"endTime":5670.39,"body":"the most."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5672.73,"endTime":5676.84,"body":"The most powerful meal that I've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5672.73,"endTime":5676.84,"body":"ever had was one of the most"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5676.84,"endTime":5682.42,"body":"actually was with at dooky"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5676.84,"endTime":5682.42,"body":"Chase. It was the late chef Leah"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5682.42,"endTime":5686.38,"body":"Chase. And that was last year"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5682.42,"endTime":5686.38,"body":"actually. It was last February"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5686.38,"endTime":5691.63,"body":"at the last at first resistance"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5686.38,"endTime":5691.63,"body":"serve conference. And she was so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5691.63,"endTime":5695.47,"body":"fiery and like full of life. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5691.63,"endTime":5695.47,"body":"a few months later, she passed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5695.47,"endTime":5699.4,"body":"away. But she was hilarious and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5695.47,"endTime":5699.4,"body":"the food was amazing. And she"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5699.4,"endTime":5703.99,"body":"was still cooking in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5699.4,"endTime":5703.99,"body":"wheelchair, just elderly,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5704.14,"endTime":5711.01,"body":"amazing woman. And I don't know"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5704.14,"endTime":5711.01,"body":"it was it was meaningful and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5711.01,"endTime":5714.67,"body":"special to me and memorable."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5711.01,"endTime":5714.67,"body":"Because I knew that I was never"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5714.67,"endTime":5718.45,"body":"going to experience that moment"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5714.67,"endTime":5718.45,"body":"again. And I knew that the food"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5718.45,"endTime":5721.12,"body":"that was being prepared for us"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5718.45,"endTime":5721.12,"body":"was made from the heart. And it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5721.12,"endTime":5723.7,"body":"was her and Carla Hall, they did"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5721.12,"endTime":5723.7,"body":"the dinner together, she was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5723.7,"endTime":5728.59,"body":"also at the conference. And in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5723.7,"endTime":5728.59,"body":"my mind, also, I was like, she's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5728.59,"endTime":5731.41,"body":"in her later years, like, this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5728.59,"endTime":5731.41,"body":"might be my last time they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5731.41,"endTime":5734.23,"body":"experienced this food, and I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5731.41,"endTime":5734.23,"body":"didn't think it was gonna be a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5734.23,"endTime":5738.76,"body":"few months later that she would"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5734.23,"endTime":5738.76,"body":"pass away. So it was so it was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5738.76,"endTime":5744.16,"body":"really special. It was memorable"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5738.76,"endTime":5744.16,"body":"for the emotional reasons, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5744.16,"endTime":5745.03,"body":"also just,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5746.02,"endTime":5748.99,"body":"I don't know, the food was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5746.02,"endTime":5748.99,"body":"comprehend delicious, you know?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5750.22,"endTime":5750.61,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5752.56,"endTime":5756.37,"body":"All right. And the last question"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5752.56,"endTime":5756.37,"body":"that I have, what do you want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5756.37,"endTime":5757.27,"body":"be remembered for?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5762.28,"endTime":5766.69,"body":"I want to be remembered as"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5762.28,"endTime":5766.69,"body":"someone that tried. Someone that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5766.69,"endTime":5773.5,"body":"tried to make a difference. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5766.69,"endTime":5773.5,"body":"in my community, by being honest"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5773.5,"endTime":5776.92,"body":"with myself, and being honest"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5773.5,"endTime":5776.92,"body":"with others, even if it wasn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5776.92,"endTime":5781.06,"body":"something that they wanted to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5776.92,"endTime":5781.06,"body":"hear, I'm really standing by"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5781.06,"endTime":5785.62,"body":"what I believed in and speaking"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5781.06,"endTime":5785.62,"body":"up for others and speaking up."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5786.49,"endTime":5794.56,"body":"When it came to injustice, and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5786.49,"endTime":5794.56,"body":"unfairness and inequity. I want"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5794.56,"endTime":5798.13,"body":"to be remembered as someone not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5794.56,"endTime":5798.13,"body":"that I was a rabble rouser, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5798.13,"endTime":5804.31,"body":"I want to be remembered as"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5798.13,"endTime":5804.31,"body":"someone who could not even shut"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5804.31,"endTime":5807.28,"body":"the table but kicked it take a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5804.31,"endTime":5807.28,"body":"leg off when he was walking away"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5807.28,"endTime":5812.8,"body":"to make their own, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5807.28,"endTime":5812.8,"body":"just, um, you know, I don't, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5812.8,"endTime":5815.65,"body":"think that a lot of people have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5812.8,"endTime":5815.65,"body":"this idea in my mind, or in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5815.65,"endTime":5820.09,"body":"their mind of me, based on how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5815.65,"endTime":5820.09,"body":"they engage with me online. They"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5820.09,"endTime":5823.75,"body":"think that I am, when it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5820.09,"endTime":5823.75,"body":"either good or bad. They think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5823.75,"endTime":5827.23,"body":"that I'm like, revolutionary,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5823.75,"endTime":5827.23,"body":"and I speak out and I say these"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5827.23,"endTime":5830.2,"body":"things, I'm creating all these"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5827.23,"endTime":5830.2,"body":"beautiful dishes. And then you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5830.2,"endTime":5835.69,"body":"have people who are like, a sore"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5830.2,"endTime":5835.69,"body":"loser who didn't succeed in the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5835.69,"endTime":5841.27,"body":"traditional sense, and is not a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5835.69,"endTime":5841.27,"body":"real chef and can't cook. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5841.27,"endTime":5848.02,"body":"think and is an influencer. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5841.27,"endTime":5848.02,"body":"I think that in a weird way, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5848.02,"endTime":5851.05,"body":"could kind of be both of those"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5848.02,"endTime":5851.05,"body":"things. And I'm actually fine"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5851.05,"endTime":5856.06,"body":"with that. But I think I want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5851.05,"endTime":5856.06,"body":"be remembered as someone who"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5856.09,"endTime":5862.51,"body":"genuinely genuinely lived with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5856.09,"endTime":5862.51,"body":"and through food, and didn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5862.51,"endTime":5866.41,"body":"have any apologies about how I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5862.51,"endTime":5866.41,"body":"did that in a public way."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5866.47,"endTime":5870.4,"body":"Because it was my storytelling,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5866.47,"endTime":5870.4,"body":"not anybody else's. So I guess"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5870.4,"endTime":5872.77,"body":"that's how I want to be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5870.4,"endTime":5872.77,"body":"remembered. And that was quick."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5872.77,"endTime":5875.98,"body":"I fail based on the answers that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5872.77,"endTime":5875.98,"body":"I gave that were long"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5875.98,"endTime":5876.82,"body":"dissertation."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5879.43,"endTime":5883.72,"body":"I think I think you'll succeed"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5879.43,"endTime":5883.72,"body":"that you're a real life"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5883.72,"endTime":5885.16,"body":"influencer. Oh,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5885.19,"endTime":5885.88,"body":"thank you."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5885.91,"endTime":5888.91,"body":"Thank you. Appreciate that. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5885.91,"endTime":5888.91,"body":"that's the important thing."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5889.9,"endTime":5893.02,"body":"That's all we got. This"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5889.9,"endTime":5893.02,"body":"conversation has been amazing. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5893.02,"endTime":5897.55,"body":"think it's time now that we let"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5893.02,"endTime":5897.55,"body":"everybody know where they can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5897.55,"endTime":5899.68,"body":"follow you. And about your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5897.55,"endTime":5899.68,"body":"Patreon."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5899.709,"endTime":5904.419,"body":"Oh, yes. Okay, so you can follow"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5899.709,"endTime":5904.419,"body":"me on Instagram and on Facebook,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5904.809,"endTime":5913.359,"body":"at Crystal c Mac, that's kr, why"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5904.809,"endTime":5913.359,"body":"sta l. c as in cat ma ck. And my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5913.359,"endTime":5915.879,"body":"Patreon, which I've just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5913.359,"endTime":5915.879,"body":"launched, if you want to support"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5915.879,"endTime":5919.449,"body":"me monthly support the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5915.879,"endTime":5919.449,"body":"programming that I create around"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5920.589,"endTime":5925.509,"body":"food and social design, and the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5920.589,"endTime":5925.509,"body":"issues that we deal with that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5925.509,"endTime":5929.859,"body":"are connected to those things."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5925.509,"endTime":5929.859,"body":"You can go to patreon that's pa"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5929.859,"endTime":5934.929,"body":"t ar e o n.com, slash crystal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5929.859,"endTime":5934.929,"body":"see Mac, and you'll find ways"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5934.929,"endTime":5937.719,"body":"you can support them. Even if"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5934.929,"endTime":5937.719,"body":"it's just a one time support."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5937.839,"endTime":5940.149,"body":"There's a link there that shows"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5937.839,"endTime":5940.149,"body":"you where to support or if you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5940.149,"endTime":5944.229,"body":"could do a minimum of like $1 a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5940.149,"endTime":5944.229,"body":"month, which is literally like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5944.229,"endTime":5947.919,"body":"way less than like a Netflix"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5944.229,"endTime":5947.919,"body":"subscription, and actually helps"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5947.919,"endTime":5950.559,"body":"to support not only me, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5947.919,"endTime":5950.559,"body":"others in the food community"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5950.559,"endTime":5956.019,"body":"that I work with. That would be"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5950.559,"endTime":5956.019,"body":"amazing. And also my design"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5956.019,"endTime":5958.539,"body":"studio is absent of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5959.62,"endTime":5963.91,"body":"and that's on Instagram as well."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5959.62,"endTime":5963.91,"body":"So make sure you follow all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5963.91,"endTime":5968.05,"body":"those. And we'll link all of it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5963.91,"endTime":5968.05,"body":"in the show notes. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5968.05,"endTime":5970.42,"body":"listening. Thank you, Crystal so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5968.05,"endTime":5970.42,"body":"much for coming out. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5970.42,"endTime":5971.17,"body":"Thanks for hav"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5971.2,"endTime":5978.88,"body":"Yeah, it's been great. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5971.2,"endTime":5978.88,"body":"like and subscribe and please"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5978.88,"endTime":5982.72,"body":"leave us a review on whatever"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5978.88,"endTime":5982.72,"body":"platform you listen on. If you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5982.72,"endTime":5985.75,"body":"have anything to say to us, you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5982.72,"endTime":5985.75,"body":"can email us at Chefs Without"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5985.75,"endTime":5990.19,"body":"restaurants@gmail.com.  Thank yo"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":5985.75,"endTime":5990.19,"body":"for listening."}]}