{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":1.32,"body":"Welcome to season two of the"},{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":1.32,"body":"Chefs Without Restaurants"},{"startTime":1.32,"endTime":38.7,"body":"podcast. I'm your host, Chris"},{"startTime":1.32,"endTime":38.7,"body":"Spear. On the show, I have"},{"startTime":38.7,"endTime":41.34,"body":"conversations with culinary"},{"startTime":38.7,"endTime":41.34,"body":"entrepreneurs, and people in the"},{"startTime":41.34,"endTime":44.46,"body":"food and beverage industry who"},{"startTime":41.34,"endTime":44.46,"body":"took a different route. They're"},{"startTime":44.46,"endTime":47.82,"body":"caterers, research chefs,"},{"startTime":44.46,"endTime":47.82,"body":"personal chefs, cookbook"},{"startTime":47.82,"endTime":52.11,"body":"authors, food truckers, farmers,"},{"startTime":47.82,"endTime":52.11,"body":"cottage bakers, and all sorts of"},{"startTime":52.11,"endTime":55.65,"body":"culinary renegades. I, myself,"},{"startTime":52.11,"endTime":55.65,"body":"fall into the personal chef"},{"startTime":55.65,"endTime":58.47,"body":"category, as I started my"},{"startTime":55.65,"endTime":58.47,"body":"personal chef business Perfect"},{"startTime":58.47,"endTime":61.83,"body":"Little Bites 10 years ago. And"},{"startTime":58.47,"endTime":61.83,"body":"while I started working in"},{"startTime":61.83,"endTime":64.47,"body":"kitchens in the early 90s, I've"},{"startTime":61.83,"endTime":64.47,"body":"never worked in a restaurant"},{"startTime":64.5,"endTime":65.91,"body":"unless you count Burger King."},{"startTime":66.89,"endTime":69.38,"body":"I'm really excited to share"},{"startTime":66.89,"endTime":69.38,"body":"Season Two with you. I've taken"},{"startTime":69.38,"endTime":71.96,"body":"the past month off to record a"},{"startTime":69.38,"endTime":71.96,"body":"bunch of new shows and get them"},{"startTime":71.96,"endTime":74.81,"body":"ready for release. 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