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Hosts: Lauren "Ren" Harris & David "daGeneral" Mills

Announcers: Zeb McClusky & Wink Dinkerson

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SPEAKER_06

You know, this is the first show of the eighth season of the Wake Up Call.

SPEAKER_09

It is, and it's a it's a rewind episode.

SPEAKER_06

It is a rewind episode. So what I thought I would do is just go pull back some of those other shows. Some of the first ones that you were on. You're really cute in this one.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah. In a way that is very hard for me to listen to, but I'm glad you think I'm cute.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, it's very sweet.

SPEAKER_09

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06

And a great Rin Rant is on there, which we're going to bring back this year too. Just not every week.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, it was hard for me to keep up with it every week, but sometimes I see a real good movie and I do want to talk about it. But what am I talking about in this one? Was it I don't remember. Okay, you'll have to listen to figure it out.

SPEAKER_06

That's right. But there's also uh Dave Manese in there, which we're gonna bring back too, but not in the right. Very nice.

SPEAKER_09

And it's got uh Ryan Woodard.

SPEAKER_06

Ryan Woodard, who was the one that encouraged me to start doing a podcast. And so he's not the first musical guest that I had on, but he was he's probably one of the first that I had with you. Perhaps I think this was one of the first shows that you were actually with him. Maybe not, but somewhere it was.

SPEAKER_09

He's one of the more notable ones for us simply because, like you said, he encouraged you to start the podcast. Right. And so having him on was kind of like coming full circle in a way.

SPEAKER_06

You know, and he's extremely humble and very extremely talented though. Oh yeah, very, very talented. And um he'll post he'll post music on uh I think it's Instagram or something like that, and I've asked him oh no, I've taken it all down. Because somebody might give him a criticism of some sort, and he doesn't you know he's a perfectionist. He is definitely a perfectionist, and you can tell that in his music. And he's just he's just fun to be around and full of information. So if you kind of listen to this, uh it kind of it kind of gives that and and I think I sent him a text after I re-listened to this uh because he is gonna be our guest sometime this year as well. But um we're gonna get back because he goes more into depth about uh different artists that maybe not be mainstream, which I know it's something that you like as well.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

So uh we're gonna we're we're gonna explore that for the for the for our eighth season together.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, it's so much fun. We've come so far, it's it's only right to look back and see where we started or at.

SPEAKER_06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_09

What are some things we've improved on and what are some things that maybe we should revisit. Revisit. And just to say, not to, you know, blow more smoke up or Ryan's behind, but he uh he's an incredibly nice guy and he does something that I have a hard time doing, but that I respect and admi admire when other people do it. He can make just about anyone feel comfortable around him. And he knows how to encourage them, and he makes just the right type of joke to where you feel like you're included or but you're not being ridiculed. Exactly. So you can hear that in this episode.

SPEAKER_06

Just yeah, and he's just extremely talented as well. So enjoy as we do uh our rewind uh for this January. I'm not sure a couple of shows. We'll go back and see if I can't find some more where you were just a punk kid.

SPEAKER_09

I sure was. My voice I would get really high pitched too. That was always my problem with listening to these old shows, is I'll say something like, Oh my god, and then like, oh, please stop.

SPEAKER_06

Well, we're glad to have George. Yeah. But I call him J O J. We're glad to have George too, and we're we're we're we're gonna miss Zeb. I don't know. After that last show, I don't know.

SPEAKER_09

He kind of wrote me the wrong way, but boy was he good at what he did, and I hope you know he's out and we're wishing the best. We wish him the best with the monks.

SPEAKER_06

All right, here you go. Here's uh Ryan Woodard for gosh, one of I don't know, all right. It's a second or third season. Local musician Ryan Woodard. Enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02

Enjoy a brand new year and a brand new announcer. Me, but I'll get to that later. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud as punch to present to you our go bigger take a hike year. And now Ren and David 2026 edition.

SPEAKER_06

But anyway, this is uh Rin's uh first time, so yes, cool. I figured he'd be easy on you too.

SPEAKER_09

Thank you. I already feel very welcome.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, this is your first time on the show?

SPEAKER_09

Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Well No no as the co-host. She was a guest prior when I was doing a series on uh diminishing local radio stations. He and my other uh engineer, I had both of them on. It's sort of a nice little reunion.

SPEAKER_07

It was! Yeah, pretty cool.

SPEAKER_06

Cool. All right, well, let's say we got Ryan Woodard. Ryan Woodard. You already started? I did, yeah, man. You gotta give me the heads up.

SPEAKER_04

I see how it is.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I should have stopped fiddling on my guitar. No, you were fine.

SPEAKER_06

I love that background noise.

SPEAKER_08

As to the ambiance.

SPEAKER_06

And of course, this is Rince, this is your virgin voyage.

SPEAKER_07

Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Ryan? Is that the right way to put that? Um, and I'm glad to have you as a co-host. I'm glad to have you as my second musical guest. The history uh with the music, your family is enriched. Uh and we want to and I want to talk about that. And I'm not gonna talk about the diapers or any of that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04

I was I was gonna tell you beforehand.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I'm not gonna go into that, but I do remember you as a little bitty and uh uh uh attempting to help load and unload band equipment. Probably more getting in the way, but attempting to help. Yeah, but you were you guys were so cute, it was hard to get mad at you. I can remember Pete uh Amex and I showing you out of the back of the band truck a couple of times. You and I think Tyler. Uh the two that were always in the way. Always in the way. Still are. Yeah. Well, I didn't say that so much. Well, listen, Ryan, um, you've grown up. Sure have. Come a long way? Yeah. Want to talk about your band Landy? I mean, uh, we're gonna do you as an individual, but I'm gonna get your band on too, because we actually have a couple. Yeah. And and we want to, I don't know if you do, but I'd like to give plugs out to both of them, or shouts out to both of them.

SPEAKER_04

So I play in two separate groups. One of them is Island Style, uh, that's with Darren Kumaya and myself. That's Darren. That's where I know you from. You know, I get that a lot. People, I actually at work we hired this new person, and I was in the middle of training him, and for about two weeks he kept looking at me and he's like, God, you look familiar. I can't place it, I can't place it. And finally, one day I walked in and I had my guitar in my hand, and I said it, you know, in the office to just store it because I had a gig that night and he was like, Oh, you play guitar. And I was like, Yeah, playing a group called Island Style, and all of a sudden he was like, Oh, there it is, right? So um, I get that, I get I get that quite often. But Island Style is it's a duo made up of myself on guitar and a guy named Darren Kumai who sings and plays some uh percussion, and then we do vocal harmonies and stuff. And Darren was born and raised on the north shore of Hawaii, lived there for about 22 years.

SPEAKER_06

He's full blood Samoan.

SPEAKER_04

He's actually full blood Hawaiian. Hawaiian. Yeah. And um, you know, not to get into it, but you know, there's there's a lot of Samoan, a lot of intermixing of the heritages that are going on. There's not a whole lot of like full blood Hawaiian people left, and Darren is one of them. And um super great dude, you know, and um so he him and I have been playing together for about seven years, but our little niche is we take songs you've heard on the radio your whole life and kind of give them an island flavor to them. And um, we've played all around town and been doing that for a while.

SPEAKER_06

You know, um I I love the the the mix that you guys make and the style that you put to it on Island Style. One of my favorite songs, and I and I and I make you guys do it out of design for it. And that's uh all about that bass.

SPEAKER_09

Yes. It's a great remix though.

SPEAKER_06

It sure is. Yeah, you guys do a great job on it. Um, okay, well let's let's um let's come back around because uh family affair band has just recently, I mean, you guys less than a year now, right?

SPEAKER_04

No, we actually uh so we had a practice last night, and real quick, what the Family Affair Band is, is um my dad has always had this dream that he wanted to have a band with all of his kids, because all there's six of us all together, six kids, and then of course our two parents. Um, and um he's always wanted to have a family band with us.

SPEAKER_08

Partridge family scenario.

SPEAKER_04

Kind of a partridge family scenario because we've all gotten into music and we all play different and various instruments. And so two years ago, pretty much to the day that we're recording, uh we started this family band, and we were just gonna play at the County Fair down here. Um, but it's myself playing guitar and singing, my sister Amber playing piano and singing, my little brother Stevie plays bass, my dad's playing drums, my stepmom Joy is uh singing back up and also singing lead on a few a few songs. And the joke I always make is all of us are pretty okay musicians, but none of us are like masters of the trade. So we needed a lead guitar player, so we actually like hired outside of the band for a lead guitar. Outside of the family. And we got outside of the family, sorry, thank you. And um, we got a gentleman named Dave Rust who uh came and started playing lead for us, probably one of the best lead guitar players I've ever met. He's awesome. Incredible. And the funny thing is, I mean, you know, through the two years of us being a family, we've had some drama and some family stuff go on. So we consider him part of the family now because he's definitely sat through some stuff that most bands won't have to put up with. Because not only do you have the politic politics of being in a band, but now you have the politics, the added politics of having family members and you know, 35 years of history and the drama that that comes with and the baggage. So it's been fun.

SPEAKER_06

You know what is impressed me most about Dave is that he is not, although he's a great lead guitar player, but he is not your typical lead guitar player. I can remember sitting in the audience telling you, turn him up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Because most most guitar players they get on stage and their amps are so loud that you're constantly telling them, turn down, turn down, turn down until they can get to a comfortable volume. But Dave, I still we had a gig last Sunday, and I walked up to him and I told him exactly that. I was like, dude, you need to turn up. Like you're playing incredible stuff, but I'm not sure people can hear you.

SPEAKER_06

It's unusual to have a leader.

SPEAKER_04

It's a little bit of a juxtaposition there.

SPEAKER_06

Alright, so we don't really have to ask how you got into music. No. They were born into that. Matter of fact, I'm I I probably was running sound for your mom when she was pregnant with you. Probably. That would be yeah, that would be my guess. Either that or Stevie. I don't I don't remember, but I know her being on stage. We had she had to leave, it was county fair. She had to go because it was time. Somebody was coming into the world, and she didn't want to do it on stage. I remember that to this day. Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

She paid into labor on stage.

SPEAKER_04

Straight up. That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_06

Do you know which child that was by any chance?

SPEAKER_04

Well, based off of when the fair is and the birthdays, I would say that probably was Phoebe. Pretty close to.

SPEAKER_06

That sounds about right. And I think it was just, I wasn't running sound, it was just visiting. Yeah, I was visiting because I was in Texas and cut off. And obviously I had to go see you guys, sure. Well, Breeson. At that time, it was Breeson. Yeah. Your mom was one of the originators of Breeson.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and that she was in that one for 20 some some years. That was her band.

SPEAKER_06

And I was very fortunate for them to ask, but your dad taught me everything I know about sound.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Uh probably one of the best, if not the best, in this side of the Mississippi.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Taught me everything I know about sound too.

SPEAKER_06

Well, listen, Ryan, is there is there anything that uh you want to prevent to anybody before we get started? I mean, you uh I just asked you to come do a couple of songs and I am excited about it. I kind of talked to you off mic about since you've taken the lead in the family band, and these are the kind of things that I noticed. It was being a sound man, I don't know if you noticed it as much on stage, but your voice has enriched so much. I mean, I'm just sitting here listening to you warm up.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, you know, it's it's weird. So Darren and I had this band together, and that's I've I've said it a hundred times, but I mean that was seven years ago we started, and when him and I first started, Darren is an incredible singer. That dude has one of the best voices I've ever heard. Bada. Bada. Bobby Streisand, it's Bada. Um but so he he sings lead on 99% of the songs. We sing, and I just kind of sit in the back, I play guitar, and I throw in harmonies. Thank you very much. Um, but like I just throw in my harmonies and do my little thing, but I was never like the lead person. And I would say probably about two years ago, Darren's work moved him down to Arizona. So he lives in Arizona now. Seven and a half seven and a half hour drive for him to get up here, and then another seven and a half back. So our gigs have kind of been limited to when he can and can't make it up here. So, but we kept being asked to play gigs, and there was a couple gigs that we had, and then it was either work or travel, or something came up, and Darren couldn't make it, and so it's just like, well, we have this gig booked, what do you do? I didn't know anyone else I could ask, so I was like, Well, I guess I'll just go to the gig and try to do it on my own. And so it was like trial by fire for the first couple years, and then we started this family band, and I kind of fell into this lead position where I'm kind of thank you very much. Yeah, but I'm singing lead, and through doing that and being you know frontman in like a actual rock band with you know, you your my voice has kind of matured over the past couple years from especially when I started playing solo to you know being in that band. So I appreciate that you even notice that. Oh yeah. Because I don't notice a difference, of course, on stage.

SPEAKER_06

I'm just singing my songs, but you know, I can remember seeing Alec Macombs uh individual. Still, excellent job, but it it's just grown. You just matured. And it you know, you get obviously your vocal code chords change, mature, grow up. I'm an old man now. Yeah, you're gonna be almost, yeah. Almost.

SPEAKER_09

I just love your guitar. I have not been able to stop looking at it. Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_06

Really? No, tell about so this really makes me feel good. Almost brought me to tears before you got here.

SPEAKER_04

Well, so for the for those listeners, it's a Taylor 224 C E K, and the K means it's Koa, so it's all Koa wood. And Koa is a tree that only grows on Hawaii, so it's and it's very dark wood kind of blood red, very cool. Very island style. Very island style. Uh probably actually when all the quarantine and stuff happened, you know, we all got our stimulus checked, and I was like, cool, what can I do with this? And you know, I've been playing the same, I have another Taylor that I've used for the past six or seven years, and I decided, you know, I'm finally gonna invest and buy myself a really nice guitar. And when I left for work this morning, I threw my old tailor in the truck, and I was like, yeah, I'll bring that one because I'm not too worried about you know, if it gets hot in the sun or whatever. And um, then as I was driving over here, I was like, I haven't changed the strings, and you know, if I'm gonna be on the show, I'm gonna it's all the best for you guys. That's what I want. So I I ran home and I traded out a guitar. So thank you for that. You're so welcome. It is a very, very pretty guitar. I mean gorgeous. It's all yeah. What kind of way is that again? Coa. Coa. It's very pretty. Very pretty. It sounds really good too.

SPEAKER_06

Well, we're gonna find it out.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, yeah, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_06

Did you have anything else you'd like to ask him?

SPEAKER_09

No, I I'm mostly just excited to hear the music. Yeah, there's a lot of preamble. Oh, I was gonna say too, if your family band ever starts a reality show, I'll be sure to watch the first episode too.

SPEAKER_06

That would be hilarious. The best episodes are probably gone, though.

SPEAKER_04

Exactly. All the drama that people want out of those shows, that's already kind of passed. Oh well. We're pretty well built into just like a show up, practice, keep our mouth shut, and go do our games.

SPEAKER_06

I'm very fortunate to work with Ryan every day, so I got to hear about the early days and drum. And I know the family, so I can relate quite well. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

So you want me to play a screen? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_06

Just look at this. I'm excited. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Give me a fever like I never ever known. You just a product of a lovely now. I like the groove, you'll walk in your talk, you dress a big beaver from miles around. Pick you up in my car and we'll paint this house. Kiss the baby and tell me twice. You're the one for me the way you make me feel. You really turn me on. You got me off my feet now, baby. My lonely days ago. Hey I like the feeling you're giving me. Told me, baby, and I'm in ecstasy. I've worked from nine to five. Buying age just to keep you on my side. Never felt so in love before. Promise, baby, that you love me forever more. Swear I'm keeping you satisfied. You're the one who hold me the way you make me feel. You really turn me on. You knock me off my feet now, baby. My mommy days are gone. Ain't nobody's business, baby. Ain't nobody's business now. Ain't nobody's business, baby. Mine and mine and mine.

SPEAKER_06

I gotta tell you, I can't believe you can sing like that. I know that was no joke. Last time, you know, I remember the clunky little kid and you're uncoordinated. Oh, thank you. The music is very obviously in your blood. Yeah, yeah. That was that was great. You know, and that's one of the things.

SPEAKER_04

So my mom's, you know, she's a piano teacher. She's been teaching literally my whole life, but I think she just hit 45 years or so that she's been actually just that's her job. She teaches piano. And so from the time I was born, I mean wood or talking about Robin. Local celebrity for sure. Robin Ferry or Robin Woods. Robin Wood Ferry was but uh she uh, you know, from the time we're born and walking around the house, there's always music in our house. It was it was I and like I look at my wife and you know, she'll be driving in the car and she doesn't even have the radio on.

SPEAKER_00

I'm like, oh my gosh, what's wrong with you? You know?

SPEAKER_04

Um because my my upbringing was if my mom wasn't teaching piano, then there was a band downstairs that was practicing, and if not that, then my brothers and I are sitting out on the front stoop just playing guitar. And so it's just it is I I I'm not gonna say it was expected that we all became musicians, but it was kind of like guaranteed and assumed that being around that. And how you how can you not?

SPEAKER_06

Um you didn't start on guitar, did you?

SPEAKER_04

No, actually, the first the first um l instrument I ever learned. I mean, so piano, my mom got us started on piano.

SPEAKER_06

Um notes on the piano is the best way.

SPEAKER_04

Well, it's the best, every every instrument, guitar, bass, I mean, with the exception of like drums and percussion, but every instrument is based around the 88 keys of the piano. And and that's where you're gonna learn theory, that's where you're gonna learn um you know basic just musical principles. And so we all got started there, as is is a good um training. And then probably about the time I was 14, I decided I want to be a bass player because bass players are just rad and they just sit in the back. Yeah, kind of Stevie, and Stevie's the perfect because bass players and drummers like they hate the spotlight being on them, you know, and just let's sit in the back. I'm just gonna sit in the pocket and play what I need to play, and everybody else can do all the flashy stuff, but I'm just gonna sit back here. So I decided I wanted to be a bass player and uh did that for a few years, took lessons, and then kind of just slowly morphed into guitar, learned how to play some drums, you know, picked up other instruments along the way, but then it wasn't until I started playing with Darren seven years ago that like I didn't even own a guitar when him and I first started playing together. Wow, I didn't know. And I Jeff Body, who you had on the show from the Breason episode, right? Um I borrowed his guitar for like six months, and then finally, Darren Darren, and I love Darren, and this is just you know, on top of him being a wonderful musician, we went to a music store one day and he's like, I'm so sick of you borrowing Jeff's guitar. Pick out a guitar, I'm gonna pick it up for you. So he bought me a guitar and I paid it back through gigging and you know, through us getting paid. I paid it back. Like, it's my guitar, don't worry. You can't come read the word again. But like that's just you know, I never wanted to be a guitar player, but just through the course of life it kind of picks up and naturally happens.

SPEAKER_09

Now you're the exact opposite. Now you're the moody bass player in the back, you're the lead singer.

SPEAKER_04

I know, it's it's weird how things change, and um, and thank you for that. And like I haven't even picked up a bass in three years.

SPEAKER_06

Let me let me tell you something that I learned from your dad, okay? When you're running sound. The bass in the drum may be one of the ones that you want to have in the background, and they kind of the people playing them kind of, but if you want people to dance, you pipe them up in the mains. So the basses are higher and the drums rubber, and sure enough, people it's not the lead guitar, it's not harmony, it's that that kick, you feel that in your pant leg, feel it in your heart. I always like to feel that kick drum in my pant leg. Yeah, you know, and then the next thing you look up and people are moving to the dance floor. Oh, yeah. Especially if the band's good. Band's not good, then you might as well forget it. But yeah. And breezing was always, always always.

SPEAKER_04

Well, P. Amex playing bass. I mean, that guy was a powerhouse, you know, RIP.

SPEAKER_06

But the best sense of humor. He was so much fun to be around. Yeah. God bless him. All right, so the family ban is uh getting public gigs coming up that this is probably not gonna actually go live for two or three weeks, Ryan. And I know you guys are getting ready to go kind of on a little hiatus.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, um, so we through the course of our lovely pandemic. Make that we've all experienced. And hopefully we're on the tail end of it now. But um I added it up between Island Style, my solo gigs, and family of Fairband. I had 22 gigs that got canceled over the last probably six or seven months. And um so that's a couple grand. Oh yeah, easy. That's the income going up. That's that's paying for uh my guitar that I you know you know put on a curtain. Exactly. Hopefully, hopefully. Um but uh so lucky the family of Fairband was lucky enough to have there's a restaurant in Aztec that's you know a neighboring town of ours. Uh they Rubios Rubios.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, well I think they're going back to Rubio's because Rubio's actually has gone to font the uh chain.

SPEAKER_04

They went out of bank, they went out of business and claimed bankruptcy, I guess. So, anyways, it's or anyway, it's Rubio's, and um they've had us play there. We went and played a free gig form, kind of like an audition. We're gonna we want to play here, so we're not gonna charge you for this first one. And if you like us, then you can have us come back and then we'll charge you.

SPEAKER_06

That's where I saw you two a few weeks ago.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and uh they after that first gig, they booked us for I think it was like five months straight, and we have a gig, so it's gonna be in the past once this comes out, but um we have gig this Saturday there, and that's the last public gig. We're looking at picking up some Christmas gigs, talking about that, but we'll probably take a little bit of a hiatus, learn a whole different repertoire of music, and um start hitting the back again in the screen.

SPEAKER_06

Well, I know you'll keep me in touch, and we'll and we'll definitely post it on Facebook. And we're getting ready to have a web page, so I'll I'll put them on there. I'll put your stuff on there as well. Cool. Because I'd like to get it out. And I am gonna record coming recording, man. I'm sorry I couldn't make it. Was it last night, night before last night? Last night. Last night, yeah. But I'll be there.

SPEAKER_04

It's fine. If you want to be my friend, you just have to do it.

SPEAKER_09

I'll go. I'm dying just to get out of the house these days.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, she's doing good. Yeah, you're really equivalent. She can do it. Yeah. I gotta help her. You do. Oh my gosh. We're equal to this thing. And what a lovely addition to the show. Thank you. Thank you very much. You should hear her, wait till you hear her thoughts. She's fantastic, man. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_09

I'm trying to let you speak because I know you're the star of this podcast.

SPEAKER_04

It's it's hard to be the host because you want the guest guests to have like ample opportunity to talk about themselves, but you also, you know, I know how I know what it's like. Uh you know, you want to interject all the time and you know, fellow podcaster here. I I totally understand that.

SPEAKER_06

He's good at it too.

SPEAKER_08

I can tell.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

You tell your life story very eloquently.

SPEAKER_04

You give me give me a uh platform and I'll tell you whatever you want.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

All right. Well, I want some more music. I want a couple more songs. Can you do that?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. So, and this is atypical of me. You know, I show up, I have my iPad full of music. I probably have 300 so songs that I could pull out at any time. I know.

SPEAKER_06

The first thing you asked me was what I wanted to hear. What do you want to hear?

SPEAKER_04

So, is there anything you guys want to hear?

SPEAKER_06

I'm I'm game for anything. I would have everything that you do. So you you know that I'm that I would I would you can't do it without Darren, I realize, but I would be calling about that too. But um, there was uh it was when you were doing um that you started, I don't even remember what it was, but like really you were you were playing with a tuna guitar.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, was it that um Matchbox 20 song, 3 a.m.? That's the one.

SPEAKER_06

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04

It must be lonely.

SPEAKER_06

I love that one. I'm gonna get set up for that. See, I'm gonna be an old part kind of this is why Brand is here. Because I'll go, you know, go, oh yeah, I want to hear uh Johnny be good. But she's gonna bring us into the future with uh Matchbox 20. And of course, uh I love the front man for them too. Um Rob Thomas? Yeah, Rob Thomas. Oh, I absolutely ignore them.

SPEAKER_04

So the beautiful thing and and what I like is especially, you know, when it was just Darren and I, it's just the two of us, and a lot of time what we would do at our gigs is we would kind of what do you guys want to hear? Just throw out an artist, and if we don't know that particular artist, normally we can find an artist that's like fairly similar to that, you know, as far as genres go. And um, but I just love taking songs, and I'm gonna play this one pretty close to you know how it is on the the album. But what I just love doing is taking songs and kind of just breaking it all down down to its bare minimum and just focusing on the music that was written.

SPEAKER_05

She says it's cold outside and hands me a wrinkles. She's always worried about things like that. She says it's all gonna end, might as well be my phone She only sleeps when it's raining and she screams and her voice is straining She says, baby It's 3 a.m. I must be longer She says baby I can't help to be scared of it all sometimes. Pain's gonna wash away what I believe She's got a little bit of something, God is better than nothing In a color portrait she believes she's got it on She swears the moon don't hang quite as high as it used to She only sleeps when it's raining She screams and her voice is straining She says baby It's 3 a.m.

SPEAKER_01

I must be long in She says baby I can't help to be scared of it all sometimes Rain's gonna wash away what I believe She believes that life isn't made up all that she's used to Clock on the wall as a stuck on three for days the happiness on the outside stop raining and outside Stop Raining outside She says baby three AM I must belong in She says baby I can't help to be scared of it all sometime Oh my god Yeah that's great man Bravo Bravo KSJE is proud to be awarded first place Invest Larger Market Social Media Integration by the New Mexico Broadcasters Association. Learn what's happening in your community. Join Scott Mifflin weekday morning today for local stories, local vibes, on air, on demand, or online at KSJE.com. Better yet, watch the visual radio program on Facebook or YouTube. Community supported award-winning KSJE in Farmington, New Mexico.

SPEAKER_04

My voice isn't warmed up. I'm just gonna say that. I just came straight forward.

SPEAKER_06

Listen, I'm telling you, Ryan, we have really, really I wanted uh I'm gonna pull out some of those first recordings because I've got them someplace if you were daring in Ireland style. And I just want you to listen when you're singing by yourself versus what you're doing now.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, I'd be curious to see some of that.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, you're just thank you. It's really, it's really uh well, you're getting there, man.

SPEAKER_04

I was gonna do an abridged Sorry. I was gonna do an abridged version, but you know, music to me is so much more than just a melody written on top of a guitar. I mean, you know, the lyrics some of these artists are are writing are incredible. And uh that verse, that third verse, I was looking at it because I was I was gonna stop after that, but then I was like, She believes that life isn't made up of all that she's used to, and the clock on the wall has been stuck on three for days. She thinks that happiness is a mat that sits on her doorway, but outside it starts raining. Like you could read you could do a doctoral thesis on just that paragraph. You know, so there's anyway.

SPEAKER_06

No, listen. That's not important. Scratch the surface for me and I can go watch a band, and I don't know whether I learned this from your dad or whether it's just intuition, but I can go watch them and tell whether they're really into the music. And when you play, it doesn't matter what where you're at, whether you're by yourself, whether you're with Darren, or whether you're with the band, you're you're into what the artist was trying to say in that song. And typically, 99% of that kind of stuff, the artist that's his heart out there, or her heart out there on that paper.

SPEAKER_04

You know, and that's the thing, like, man, we could seriously have a four-hour-long podcast just talking about this, but um I don't think a lot of people realize that. That the songs you hear on the radio are mostly written by a guy named Max Martin. He's a producer who writes a ton of music for all these artists. But like, go off radio and start really listening to, you know, people like there's a guy named Colin Hay. He used to be the lead singer of Minute Work, and um Minute Work, the band, of course, fell out from underneath them, they took the contract away, but he went and started doing a bunch of solo stuff. He writes some of the most incredible lyrics, but every song you hear from him, you can like feel his heart in every single one of those words and every single one of those pinstrokes. And um how vulnerable of a position a musician has to put themselves into to sing a song to an audience, but or and record it, but also put pen to paper and write down like the innermost thoughts of themselves.

SPEAKER_05

Like, we've all heard the uh I heard there was a secret code that David played and it pleased the Lord, but you don't really care for music, do you?

SPEAKER_04

Right? So that was written by Leonard Cohen, and Leonard Cohen was writing that song. He locked himself in his hotel room and was there for some ridiculous number, like he didn't leave it for like six days, and he wrote every single one of those verses just in that uh kind of loneliness and in that isolation. Um and when Leonard Cohen sings it, you get that emotion from it. But if you've ever seen or heard the Jeff Buckley version of that, where just Jeff Buckley, him and a guitar, um, and hearing Jeff Buckley do that, or hearing Rufus Wayne write, so each artist takes their own kind of like little spin on it, but you can still get that emotion because they're connecting to the um emotion and the lyrics of the song. So I don't know, it's just in their own unique way. In their own unique way, because they're interpreting it a little bit different than Leonard Cohen, who originally wrote it, maybe.

SPEAKER_06

You know, back when I was younger, like Wren's age, and listening to the music in your age, um, and listening to the music, I really didn't pay attention to words. I mean, one of my favorite songs was that Don Henley song, Sunset Grill. Yeah. You know. Yeah, it's a great tune, but it's talking about hookers. Yeah. And I never knew that.

SPEAKER_08

I never knew that either. You know, I told today.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. But it but when you stop and start paying attention to what the artist is trying to say, uh, then you really it's it's a whole it's a lot deeper. I mean, I I just I have come to a whole new appreciation for music because of you, because of your family primarily, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And you know, it's one of those things, being being a musician and going and playing live, and whether I'm sitting at a coffee shop with four people in front of me or sitting on stage with 600 people in front of me, you still always have to have that connection with the music. And it doesn't matter if you're singing a song like Wish I Was Still Drinking Whiskey, Wine, and beer, sound of glasses clinking, so sweet to my ear. You know, where you're telling a story or um I'm trying to think of another song, but um, you know, like Jesse is a friend.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, you know he's been a good friend of mine. But ladies' songs change, it ain't hard to find. Jesse's got himself a girl that wanna make her mind.

SPEAKER_04

Right? So you're singing that song, which is like you're um you're telling a story about wanting to still drink. It's a whole different take. I know you didn't recognize it.

SPEAKER_08

I couldn't get it until clutching my heart.

SPEAKER_04

But you know, wish I was still drinking. It's it's telling a song. And Jesse's girl is it's a man who's wanting his friend's girlfriend, and um, so those are gonna have two different emotions. So, and my wife hates it because I constantly walk around with I'm like the most sensitive individual you ever meet because my heart is just constantly on my sleeve. Because whether I'm singing a sad song, I need to put myself in that state of mind. If I'm singing a happy song, I need to put myself in that state of mind. Because if I'm just walking up and singing and just singing whatever song with the same emotion behind it, the the audience isn't gonna feel that connection behind it. Does that make sense? I'm trying to. It does make sense.

SPEAKER_06

And that's what makes you unique and individual, and don't ever change, don't ever let anybody tell you to do any quit go ahead and keep being moody. Please be sensitive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Because what you just did to Jesse's Girl, I don't usually like Jesse's Girl because I think it's kind of a shallow song, but what you just did to it, I felt the emotion right there. That's a sad boy singing about his lost life.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and and because that's what that song is truly about. And um yeah. I was about to go on a whole different tangent. That's right, before I centered myself. That's right. We don't want this to be too long.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, I want another song.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

We gotta at least get one more in. Yeah, we're about out of time, but um removable media windows backup needs scene. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08

Ignore it.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I'm gonna do it all windows. Yeah. So we're gonna, folks, just so you know, I'm getting some kind of message on my screen. And uh I was kind of panicked, but I'm gonna ignore it.

SPEAKER_09

So it just it's doing a backup, and you don't need to.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, good deal. So we're gonna turn attention back to Ryan because Name an artist.

SPEAKER_04

Um So the funny thing, my one of my favorite things about being a live musician is I stand up there and I'll play a song and I'll finish, you know, in chord, and then I'll look out at all the people who are sitting there eating dinner or drinking wine or whatever, all the different various places we play at. And I'll just be like, if you guys want to hear anything, let me know. And I'll point at some like a specific person and say, name an artist. And then all of a sudden, just that look of shock goes over their faces because all of a sudden you forget every artist you've ever heard in your life. Like, uh Did that happen to you just now?

SPEAKER_09

I yeah, my my I always blank and go to the Beatles, which I love, but I know people have probably heard the Beatles. If you want to sing the Beatles, I love the Beatles.

SPEAKER_04

So cool story about this song. Every time my mom comes and sees me, she'll walk up and put a$20 in my tip jar. And I'm like, you're first off, you're my mom. You don't have to tip me any money. But she always requests that I play Blackbird. And um, this was written by Paul McCartney of the Beatles, and when he actually wrote this, um it's about racial injustice. It's not, you know, it's talking about lyrics and talking about how in-depth some of these artists can write this stuff. It has nothing to do with birds. What were we gonna say? The birds I could play this all day.

SPEAKER_09

I was gonna say, please don't stop the English slang term for a girl, a bird.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Black birds singing in the dead of night. Take these broken wings, learn to fly all your life. You are only waiting for this moment to be free Blackbird singing in the dead of night. Take these sunken eyes and learn to see all your life. You're only waiting for this moment to be free. Black bird fly, black bird fly in the light of dark black night Blackbird singing in the dead of night. Take these sunken eyes and learn to see all your life You only waiting for this moment to be free. You were only waiting for this moment to be free. You will only waiting for this moment to be free.

SPEAKER_08

Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_06

Oh that was fantastic.

SPEAKER_08

I was afraid to not say the Beatles because I didn't want to be cliche, but no, we needed that.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, that was great.

SPEAKER_08

That made my week.

SPEAKER_06

Well, listen, I I I really appreciate it, because I know you're on your lunch hour, Ryan. I appreciate you coming down. I appreciate all the information too that you uh you're very knowledgeable when it comes to music, and I and I know that from the mixtape of live. Are they still downloadable? Can they still give you?

SPEAKER_04

No, so we um That's too bad. Yeah, we didn't pay our media hosting site, blah, blah, blah. This little bit um Do you have them recorded someplace?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, they're all sitting on my hard drive. Okay, well, listen, I can put it when I get the website up, maybe we could download a couple of them on there. Golden? I would love to do that.

SPEAKER_04

And you've had uh so the co-host of that show was Grant, and and you had him on your show.

SPEAKER_06

He was on uh actually, he's going to his his podcast breaks this Sunday. Golden. Yeah, he is this. And his is one of the longest ones that I did with uh with churches in COVID. I mean, he was my boss, and obviously, or is my boss, and obviously I was kissing a little rear end. Yeah. No, no, I but he was he's very uh well, you know, he's very articulate, very eloquent, very and uh very knowledgeable, and it was just a joy to sit and talk to him.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Kind of like this has been.

SPEAKER_04

This has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you guys for having me on. Thanks for letting me ramble. I know I can talk.

SPEAKER_06

No, you were perfect. Didn't you think perfect? Oh yeah. I I thought you did great on your first.

SPEAKER_09

Thank you. I just tried to chime in, try to let you guys handle it. You seem to know each other, but no, you did great.

SPEAKER_04

It's hard when there's a history too, because Dave and I are mostly talking and I'll jump in. It's like waiting to jump in on double dutch, like okay now, now, now but no, it was a pleasure for me too to watch you guys talk and gave me a new found love for lyrics and acoustic music. Hopefully, and that's all that's all it is. So I I I struggle a lot still. I mean, to this day, I've done thousands of gigs. I've played for 2,500 people, I've played for a bartender because nobody showed up to the gig. You know, so but I still struggle a lot with self-confidence and issues like that. That's just every human has or all of us struggle with insecurities and our own insecurities. Um, but I was talking to a really good friend of mine and someone who's been a musical mentor of mine the whole time, her name is Virginia Nichols, and um I sent her a text and we were just kind of texting back and forth. And one of the things that she reiterates the the most is if if we come from a place as musicians when we're playing music of passion and we're doing it for the love of music and the love of music we can share with people, then that will convey to the audience. It won't necess like I might hit a wrong note sometimes, I might hit a wrong chord, like who cares? Because if if I'm trying to emotionally connect with someone, that's that's really what it's all about. And it's in it's and it's at the end of the day, did we have fun doing it? And did the audience have fun and and enjoy watching us? That's really all it boils down to. So, you know, take Take that ego out of it, take all that, you know, oh, I'm like the best singer on the planet. Because I know I'm not. You know, I I can be outsung by most people in this town. I can be outplayed by a lot of guitar players here. That's not what it's about. It's about I enjoy doing it. What's here? Yeah. It's it's what's what's in the chest, right? And and if I can share that with other people, that's all that m really matters. Well, you you do. And I'm gonna play you out.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, play me play me out. Well, I want to say this because we're gonna end it after this. I just want you to know I really appreciate this. And you know I love you. I love you too, buddy. I I know, I know. And this this whole thing is giving me goosebumps. So we're gonna have you back. We're gonna do it again later on. We're gonna get the family band on. Uh, I'll have to work at because I'd like for Ren to go too. Yes. So we'll have to figure it on the night she's off when the next time you rehearse. Cool. Uh, and no matter what I got going on, I'll cancel it for that night. Cool. Because that two nights in there. A day of uh warning was not enough. Hey, we're practicing two nights. No, you didn't you gave me the day before. Oh, I did. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, you gave me on Tuesday, and I'm like, uh just keep me in the loop because I want to see this family band. If you're just one member, I need to see the rest.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you should come out to Rubios a Saturday, even though that doesn't matter for the podcast. But just for fun.

SPEAKER_06

Rubios and S. Rubios, Rubios, everybody knows it. It's a landlord. Yeah. Okay, point me out, Ryan. Point me out. Maybe I should ask you. Do you have any other questions you want to ask me? Maybe I should be more of a conscious with my co-host.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, you're great. This is a new experience for both of us. I feel like you guys covered it all. I'm just here for the ride. I'm here for the ride.

SPEAKER_05

Goodbye, Joe. Ming gotta go, me on my own. My Yvonne, the sweetest one, me on my own. Son of a gun, gonna have big fun on the bio. Well, jump a lion, crawfish pie, and a feeling combo. Cause tonight I'm gonna see my shit of me. A pick guitar, feel fruit, jar, and big o Son of a gong gonna have it fun on the bio.

SPEAKER_06

Thanks, Ryan. Thanks, it's one of my favorite songs I've got to do. I know, and you corrected me.

SPEAKER_04

Because I used to say, me gotta go pull the P Rogue down the pit by.

SPEAKER_09

I didn't know if that's what you were doing, but I'm and you corrected me that it's P Rogue's.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah, then P-Row is a is a boat Cajun boat. P-Row. P rogue. Not P-Rogue. No, P-Rogue to P rogue. Got it. Yeah, it's a little flat-bottom Cajun boat, man. Catfishing. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks, Dave. And Ren. Sorry.

SPEAKER_08

Great. I'm I'm having a blast. Thank you guys for being conscious and including me in all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03

I really felt like I I felt like time for film rant with Ren. Hate 'em or love 'em. New or classic, Ren rants on them all. Here's Ren.

SPEAKER_09

Hello everybody. Welcome to the Film Rant with Ren. My little corner of the internet. We're here to talk endlessly about TV and movies, as long as it's under five minutes. Today I'm talking about Borat 2! That's right. I'm talking about the Borat sequel. I wasn't sure if I should do this one, but it's my show. And I can talk about what I want, and for some reason I want to talk about Borat 2's subsequent movie films, so here we go. Let me give you my backstory. When I was 11 years old, um, I waited till Borat was on HBO at 1 a.m. I'm gonna make some of you feel old. I was 11 when Borat came out. Uh I waited until it was on HBO at 1 a.m. and I watched it when everybody else in my house was asleep. And I did not understand what I was seeing, most of it. But I was very pleased with my little rebellious act. We all have a story like that where we uh snock away and watch something we weren't supposed to watch, and we kind of grew up a little bit from it. And for some people it's Friday the 13th. For me, it's Borat. So if you're not familiar with Borat, I mean I'm sure you are just tangentially, it was a big uh cultural phenomenon when the first one came out 14 years ago. What would that be? 2006? Um Sasha Baron Cohen created this very ignorant caricature of uh of a person from a fictitious foreign country. I mean, he says he's from Kazakhstan, but he's from a completely fictional version of Kazakhstan. Uh I hear Kazakhstan is uh very anti-Borat for for what uh the movie's done for its image, so I'm gonna try and be real careful. He's a caricature. He does not represent a country that exists, but he represents ideals that exist in every country. And as gross as Borat can be, um, as insulting as he is, I really believe it's all in the name of satire. I mean, he's so extreme that it's hard not to see the flaws in in his way of life. Uh you know, the first film, he just went across America, and it was almost like an experiment to show that gross underbelly of of uh racism and intolerance and ignorance in America. This second film, this Borat, subsequent movie film, feels more like a journey for Borat himself. There's hope for Borat to grow as a person because there's just a lot has happened in the last 14 years. And let me tell you, everybody's up everybody's butt these days, and everybody knows what's going on. So we don't need Borat to poke holes to let us see into this uh growth side of the world. We know it's there. What we need now is the hope that it can change. And if Borat can change, we can too. I mean, he gets there kinda in the end. He's not perfect, but he um in this second film is sent by the fictitious Kazakhstan government to um give a gift to Mike Pence or or various other political figures to to win favor uh with uh the American government. And you know, it's a road trip film, he's going all over, he's meeting all these different people, he's bearing a weirdo to get their reactions, except this time he's joined by his daughter. Bored has a daughter played by Maria Baklova, who is a 24-year-old woman. I say that because she plays a 15-year-old, but she's 24, and that lady does some crazy things on film. Uh nothing nothing too bad, but you know, she's not afraid to go there. She's dedicated and unafraid of the role, which makes it funnier and makes it more compelling. You know, she's to represent the caricature of a woman who was raised in a completely patriarchal dominated society. So there's a little feminist angle to Borat 2, and it I mean it's there. But if you're upset by heavy-handed commentary, you shouldn't be watching Borat, uh, you're going to be offended watching this, you are going to be grossed out watching this, you're going to cringe away from the screen while you watch Borat 2. And you know what? I think you're gonna have a good time if you're into this stuff. Don't watch it with your grandma, unless your grandma is cool. Just kidding, all grandmas are cool. Um but yeah, Borat 2, it's exactly what you expect it to be. Not as culturally significant and insane as the first Borat, but still very funny, very poignant. And you're gonna see, you're gonna meet some really fun characters in it. You know, Borat's talking to real people. These are real people who live in America. So, I don't know. It's fun. Check it out. This has been Ren. Bye.

SPEAKER_03

Be listening each week for yet another ranting with Ren.

SPEAKER_00

And you, sweetheart, you are just playing mean.

SPEAKER_03

She's relentless. You have questions, what do mermaids wash their fins with? They have answers. Tide may not be the answers you're looking for. That sounds spookers. But hey, it's free.

SPEAKER_06

Hey, uh, you know, Rin, we've we got an email. We got an email. We did. And you know, it's one of those age-old questions as far as I'm concerned. Because I'd like to get in the kitchen and make a big mess.

SPEAKER_09

Mm-hmm. Who doesn't?

SPEAKER_06

I'd like to find the perfect partner that I'll make the mess, they do the cleanup.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, that's true love right there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

That's true love. So far it hadn't worked out pretty well. You gotta help clean up.

SPEAKER_09

You should both get in the kitchen and do you both help cook, you both help clean.

SPEAKER_06

This came from uh Paul. Paul, I don't know. I I'll he wants to know does cooking make him less masculine? I'll let you read the email.

SPEAKER_09

Okay. Because I have an opinion about this.

SPEAKER_06

I know, I heard you.

SPEAKER_09

Last month I agreed to go on a blind date with someone my roommate works with. I thought the date was going pretty well since we did a fair amount of talking about my favorite subject, food. I'm hoping to quit my job and go to culinary school soon. But the more I talked about cooking and baking, the more she seemed to lose interest. She later told my roommate that all the cooking talk was, quote unquote, not very masculine. Seriously, are we still believing these dumb gender stereotypes in 2020? Signed, Paul. Well, Paul, I think it's great that you want to go to culinary school, and I think your blind date is a jerk. Because I think cooking is just a human thing, not a woman thing, you know?

SPEAKER_06

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_09

It it got that um connotation back when cooking the food was part of the homemaker job, right?

SPEAKER_06

The man was supposed to go forage.

SPEAKER_09

Yes.

SPEAKER_06

And the woman was to stay at home and pin house and cook.

SPEAKER_09

Yes, yes. And um, traditionally, both men and women went and got out the food together in different ways. You know, the men got bound together and hunted, and then the women stayed behind and foraged for berries and roots.

SPEAKER_06

Like they cultivated a garden or something of that nature, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

So, like, food is just human. And um, you know, it's back when proper society was invented, and that women are too too uh gentle to go out and do anything, so they have to stay in the home all day, which is an extremely important job. But it started to get that connotation that cooking is something that's of the home, and only women take care of home duties. And if you have to cook for yourself, then it means you should find a wife.

SPEAKER_06

Would you I I have an idea that you'd probably kick Derek to the curb if you remotely try to say, okay, that's a woman's job.

SPEAKER_09

That's a woman's job. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Alright, well, that's exactly how I feel too. And I, you know, I don't I don't know. Do I look any less masculine to you?

SPEAKER_09

No, I think I'm I'm surprised that she's gonna be. I think you're sexy. Hell yeah, that's what I was just about to say. I'm surprised she was turned off by that because cooking is hot.

SPEAKER_06

Turned you on.

SPEAKER_09

It's it's hot.

SPEAKER_06

All right. In multiple ways. That was easy enough. Yeah. Thanks, Red.

SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_02

That's it for another week. This is the voice of George of the Jungle coming to you from the mouth of George of the Jungle, telling you to join us next week for more W UC with the voices of Ren and David coming out of their mouths. All rights reserved. Until next time. Export do each other.

SPEAKER_07

Always when you clean underwear.