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So we thank"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3920.61,"endTime":3924.09,"body":"everybody for watching and"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3920.61,"endTime":3924.09,"body":"listening today. And please like"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3924.09,"endTime":3926.91,"body":"follow do all those things and"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3924.09,"endTime":3926.91,"body":"definitely like and follow Jenny"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3926.91,"endTime":3932.25,"body":"abling she her work is truly"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3926.91,"endTime":3932.25,"body":"amazing. Oh my God, in our dogs"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3932.25,"endTime":3936.39,"body":"agree. Yeah. So we thank you and"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3932.25,"endTime":3936.39,"body":"we'll see you next time. I love"},{"speaker":"Don Priess","startTime":3936.39,"endTime":3937.83,"body":"conquers all. 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