When life threw him curveballs, John Harper, CEO of LumaFlex, didn't just dodge; he swung back and sculpted his legacy. Our latest conversation with this former competitive athlete turned CEO is an exhilarating journey through his transition from high-impact sports to the meticulous world of bodybuilding. Despite facing serious injuries and health scares, John's story is one of unwavering determination and the relentless pursuit to remain in the game, redefining competition and rivalry along the way.
We've all encountered our fair share of hurdles, but imagine leveling up by approaching each challenge with a game-like mentality—sounds enticing, doesn't it? That's exactly what we dissect in this episode, where I share my own battle with sobriety and the role of gamification in conquering social pressures and emotional discomfort. Together with John, we reveal how this mindset not only has revamped our personal lives but has also propelled our success in the high-stakes domains of sales and fitness, transforming resistance into a powerful motivator for growth.
Lastly, we bask in the glow of red light therapy, discussing its incredible health benefits that are lighting up the wellness world. John and I delve into how this emerging therapy is not just for easing pain but is poised to become a staple in our daily health routines. With insights into FDA clearances and the blossoming science backing its efficacy, this episode is a beacon of knowledge for anyone looking to enhance their well-being. From boosting mood to rejuvenating skin, tune in to find out how red light therapy might just be the missing ray in your spectrum of health practices.
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When life threw him curveballs, John Harper, CEO of LumaFlex, didn't just dodge; he swung back and sculpted his legacy. Our latest conversation with this former competitive athlete turned CEO is an exhilarating journey through his transition from high-impact sports to the meticulous world of bodybuilding. Despite facing serious injuries and health scares, John's story is one of unwavering determination and the relentless pursuit to remain in the game, redefining competition and rivalry along the way.
We've all encountered our fair share of hurdles, but imagine leveling up by approaching each challenge with a game-like mentality—sounds enticing, doesn't it? That's exactly what we dissect in this episode, where I share my own battle with sobriety and the role of gamification in conquering social pressures and emotional discomfort. Together with John, we reveal how this mindset not only has revamped our personal lives but has also propelled our success in the high-stakes domains of sales and fitness, transforming resistance into a powerful motivator for growth.
Lastly, we bask in the glow of red light therapy, discussing its incredible health benefits that are lighting up the wellness world. John and I delve into how this emerging therapy is not just for easing pain but is poised to become a staple in our daily health routines. With insights into FDA clearances and the blossoming science backing its efficacy, this episode is a beacon of knowledge for anyone looking to enhance their well-being. From boosting mood to rejuvenating skin, tune in to find out how red light therapy might just be the missing ray in your spectrum of health practices.
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Welcome to another episode of Playing Injured. I'm always pumped and so I always say I'm pumped for this episode because I am. But I'm really pumped about this episode. We have the CEO of LumaFlex. We'll hear a little bit more about that. We got a competitive athlete and I wanna get more into that because, athlete, you do a lot and you've done a lot. We got John Harper here, or John Graham Harper whatever you wanna go by, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I really appreciate the opportunity to share. Obviously, it's like I was saying before we started it's tough to get the word out with any and all opportunity to get on a channel. It really helped.
Speaker 1:It's a much bigger help than you can imagine 100%, and I think, on my end too, it's a help to hear your story and add value to the audience, and so I always love hearing hey, who is John and how does he spend his time today?
Speaker 2:Yeah, who is John? That's a tough one. So I did start as a competitive athlete. I started playing rugby. I was a rugga and I blew out both my shoulders and I remember the first time my shoulder popped was on tour with the team. So obviously when you go on tour with your team it's quite an exciting time. You've trained together, you've played your local games. But then when you go on tour you're sort of competing against in a region and you're facing against other teams. So it was an exciting experience. I was really pumped, as you said.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I remember that was probably, I mean, that injury that I had. It should have stopped playing rugby after that. But I healed up after a few months and I went and played again and after it was like one or two games, I popped the other shoulder. So then I just stopped rugby I need to quit that and I went into competitive CrossFit, and CrossFit, as you know, it's an intense sport. Well, if you could call it a sport, it's like getting gym workouts and making it a sport. Right, they gamify it. There's a score, a leader, there's the score that you fight for and if you compete, there's sort of seasons where you sort of go into preparation. But my left knee was really hard hit because you do very high load and high volume. You're sort of really trying to push those limits. It's not about doing, you know, light weight and doing lots of numbers. You're also trying to increase your load and also achieve you know, very high numbers as well and it's all very fast paced, right. It's all because you're trying to beat, you're going for times. But that knee, my left knee, was severely injured for quite some time so it took me out of CrossFit and then I went into amateur boxing and after a few years of amateur boxing I developed a tumor in my head and the doctor said it was because of microtraumas to the face, particularly the nose, that created a tumor. The tumor was about the size of my thumb. It wasn't by nine or anything, but it just had to be removed because it was growing into my brain. So I stopped boxing and from then on I didn't. Really I would advise not to do any impact sports because I guess my body just isn't conditioned for it.
Speaker 2:So I went into bodybuilding. I did compete and I did quite well, but I didn't enjoy it as much as the other sports because there's no rivalry. There's no. You know, rivalry is something I really feed it off. It's like me versus you. We're in the ring, you know we're fighting who's the best. But bodybuilding it's a different sort of format where, you know, you present what you've done, like how you've, you know, done your cutting and your bulking and everything, and you present it to a set of judges and the judges make the decision. You know. So they'll say like your calves are not as good as his calves. You know, and even if you think that your calves are nice, it doesn't matter, you still lose. But I didn't like it was fun, it was a good experience, but I was more into the rivalry part of sports.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, john, you are my type of guy, right, because you're crazy. Right, you've done so many different things, right, but here's what I love about what you've done right, you've done multiple different things and that's why I called you an athlete, because it wasn't just one sport In particular. You did multiple different things and in these stories you talk about the struggles, you talk about the injuries, right, but you still kept going. And I think when Mia and Mason who is my partner on this show and he's my mentor we started this because we wanted folks to understand what is the mindset of an athlete that plays injured, that continues to not give up even though they have.
Speaker 1:You know, like you said, hey, you went through these different injuries and you wanted to keep going. If anything, it kind of inspires you to want to keep doing things. Right, yeah, exactly, and we want to transcend people overcoming this adversity, these struggles, in real life. If you could explain what goes in, what was going through your mind during these moments where you had these injuries and out of every injury, right, it wasn't you saying, oh, I want to stop. No, a doctor, somebody else tells you, hey, you need to stop. Right, yeah, what made you want to keep going. What made you persist through a lot of these challenges and injuries?
Speaker 2:Well, if you really want to go deep with that question, sort of the something I've identified with myself and I think it's true for most athletes that take it to the next level, that really go pro is, yeah, hold on to your seat because this might get rough, let's do it. But it's really like it's a how do I say this? Because I don't want it to sound too negative, I want it to Basically, an athlete that wants to go pro it's not. They don't get validation from outside, they only get validation from themselves.
Speaker 2:And this trait that you have in your head, it is the trait that actually makes pro athletes, that makes people do crazy, crazy things, because validation from out From, say, fans or family, or from teammates or just from the organization or the sport that you're in it would never be enough, because everyone usually does give too much encouragement. So when you have this trait, you're always trying to outwin yourself or take yourself to another level. You're never happy with where you are at and I've sort of realized it, that that's how I was before and I've identified that and it is a good thing as long as you understand and understand that, you're aware of it and you don't let it grow too much because it can be a bit destructive. But usually if somebody wants, like if somebody wants to reach stardom, especially in sport, they need to have. They can't be happy with themselves. Does that make sense? They?
Speaker 1:have to be.
Speaker 2:They have to always be dissatisfied with themselves. They always have to have this thing that they are not enough. And it doesn't matter if somebody tells them you're enough, you're not. They have something where they feel they're not enough and that never goes away. It never, ever goes away because that's what propels, because you know with them, if you want somebody to make change, the only way that they can change is if they themselves want that change. So if you and this is what pro athletes have, like really high-level performing athletes they have this thing where they're never good enough. They're never good enough, they're never good enough and they're in this psychology. It could have come from anything from parents or anything like how they grew up or whatever, however it was, but this sort of trait is something that they that actually, it has to be monitored and you have to keep it in check because you can't go too destructive, but it is the winning trait.
Speaker 2:I see a lot of people talk on social media about what it means to be a pro-hour, you know, a type A, like a high-performance business person or whichever. However, but nobody really talks deeply about this, which I think is a. If you think about it. It is the key thing that drives performance is somebody never being satisfied with themselves. You know, you could have your father, your coach you're doing great, you're doing great, but they're like, no, no, I'm not enough, not enough, it's never enough, I gotta keep going. I gotta keep going, yeah, but yeah, that's kind of how it is.
Speaker 2:It sounds a bit negative but I think, yeah, if you look at what an athlete has to go through in order to reach certain points, it's very tough, it's extremely tough. Like boxing is my sport, combat entertainment. I love it, that's my thing. And you see the training that they go through just to be able to achieve a certain status or in a certain organization, and you look at what they're getting paid and you look at what they get back for the amount of injuries that they risk, for the amount of training they have to do just for the actual competition itself, for the fight itself. It's so tough to go through. Well, why do they do it? What? Why would you do that Like? Why wouldn't you do this in another sport? That's safer, you know. But it's something that they need to have to get their validation for themselves. But once they have it, they wanna go, keep going and it is does that make sense?
Speaker 1:No, it does, unless I'm packing, because I think a lot of folks, because I wanna be able to express it. It's like that not good enough feeling. It's what is driving you right and in a way, and something I've struggled with, because, you know, I played college basketball and through my life I had that feeling of like not feeling good enough and what it created was like this rage, this competitive nature, where I just had to get it right. And lately I've heard different great athletes talk about tapping into that rage. Right, you know, whether it's Tom Brady, whether it's Michael Jordan, they look for things that kind of validate it, hey, you're not good enough. Or somebody telling you you're not good enough and now you need to validate it. Not just for others, because everybody thinks you're great already. It's kind of for yourself to say, hey, I need to validate that right. And it's this rage that you can tap into.
Speaker 1:Now, like you said, it can get destructive, especially if it goes to maybe other areas in life right, relationships where you may not feel like you're worthy enough and you might get into different situations that are not good for you. But when it comes to you wanting to kind of tap into that competitive nature, right, that's gonna get you out of bed in the morning, which I think a lot of folks need. It's kind of that. In a way, it is negative, right, but it's something that is going. You know they talk about. Either you are, it's something that you fear that can get you out of bed, or something that you're going for, and I think that that is something that can get folks out of bed and really fight through challenges, right, it's that kind of feeling of I'm trying to prove it to myself that I am worthy, that I am capable of amazing things, right.
Speaker 2:Exactly how you said it. Yeah, you speak in language. Yeah, yeah, you said it exactly right. You do need to keep it in check.
Speaker 2:But if you want to change, if you, as a human being, you want to achieve something, you have to try to create the scenario where that happens, because if it isn't, if you don't have it, you just the incentives won't be there. You may like you know when you do like, say, for example, weight loss, right, like in the fitness world, there's these transformation challenges. You sort of create it where you know maybe there's a buy-in or there's a bet. You know you're trying to like win against your friend and you try to create the scenario where you have that internal motivation. But if you aren't able to sort of cultivate it for yourself long-term, you will go and you'll lose it, right, and that, yeah.
Speaker 2:And where change really happens is when you go to rock bottom. I've had so many people ask me, like you know what should I do? Or you know how should I do this? I'm like, well, you'll figure it out, but you have to hit rock bottom. Once you hit rock bottom, your brain will strategize and you'll figure out the way to do it. If you don't, if you haven't hit rock bottom yet, just wait till you do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, rock bottom. First of all, I said crazy motivated, but it creates the story right and it creates. It creates this callus Hero journey. Yeah, hero journey.
Speaker 2:Everyone wants to be the hero, but they don't know that the journey is what is the hero, that makes the journey is the key part of the hero. Then no one can. You can just wake up and say I want to be a hero. The journey is actually. What is the hero, defines the hero.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I was listening to another interview that you did and you talked about, and I think you said you heard it from a quote from somebody else, but basically you were saying that, hey, we are at our greatest and we are overcoming struggle right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. We overcome struggle, challenges, and that's what you're saying right there. It's like rock bottom is really. You get an opportunity to tap into your greatest self once you hit rock bottom and discover something that you've never discovered in yourself before. Talk about that. I know you challenges right, and kind of accepting that hard things happen in life and we are at our greatest when we're overcoming these challenges.
Speaker 2:That's 100% right. Like, yeah, I like the way you said that, where you, when you hit rock bottom, you need to think that it is an opportunity. Like, wow, now this is the opportunity the universe has given me, this is the opportunity God has given me. This is where I'm going to flip the switch and I'm going to start going up. I remember thinking I can't, like some years back, when I was sort of formulating some kind of a format for this, where I said like level one, like you get challenges every day. Every day you get challenges Part of the human experience.
Speaker 2:So level one is when you accept challenges. You're like I'm a human being, nothing's supposed to be easy. If it was easy, obviously you know everyone would do it. If I want to do something, I have to accept that there's going to be highs and there's going to be lows. So the acceptance is like level one. Level two is when you appreciate the challenges. So then you start transferring them into opportunities. So you're like, oh, like, this terrible thing happened. I got injured or something didn't go well with the deal, or I tried to create some value here but it backfired on me. But you appreciate it. You're like, okay, well, now I learned from that and I'm not going to make that mistake again, or I'm going to. Yeah, exactly that. Just learn from it, right.
Speaker 2:But the level, the God mode, the highest level is when you go from accept, appreciate and then you go to look for. You actually look for challenges because you were addicted to the bouncer and that, I think, is like the ultimate God mode, where that's in business, sport and everything is where you really you won't. It's not that you want to fail, but you really want to have a low because in your brain you know that immediately after the low you'll get the high. You're in this mentality, right, Like in the beginning you said that meant that's athlete's mentality is. I think that's God mode and I don't think anyone ever really achieves it. You try to achieve it daily. There are times when you sort of fall back to a comfort zone, but then there's other times when you're like, okay, I got to shake things up a bit, I'm getting too comfortable, and when I'm comfortable, nothing's going to change. So let's go look for a challenge and let's fail, and then, when we fail, bang, we'll go up again, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that and, honestly, I think we avoid doing hard things right. Well, most folks do. Which is why I think people struggle right is because we avoid doing the hard things and the challenges right and, like you said, going out to seek it right and honestly. So this challenge that I've done for myself this year is I haven't had any alcohol this year, right, new Year's Eve was the last time I had alcohol and I haven't had it for this top of this year, right. And what I've realized is that it's hard, right, and not the everyday.
Speaker 1:But what makes it hard is those moments when you're in a social environment and it's that awkward tension that you're feeling. Right. And when I realized, when I started to realize, with my friends and different people, it was like, oh, I need another drink, I need one more drink to kind of make me confident enough to be social, to make me not think, to make me not feel right. And so I think a lot of times we also numb ourselves to get over those challenges or over those emotions, right, and so that's what I've been learning is like kind of feeling these emotions and dealing with them and still doing the hard things, and it's carried over to other areas of life. It's like, hey, I don't feel like waking up early, I don't feel like taking a cold shower, getting in the ice bath, but kind of doing it despite the resistance that I'm feeling. Right, that's right, I guess, even in your background. How have you handled like that resistance, right Of kind of just doing it anyway, regardless of how you feel, you know?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what I did was I tried to gamify it, because then you trick your brain to somehow make it like a conquest. I guess you know, like you're like I do this with sales. Well, at least I used to do this a lot with sales. Like if I was doing sales and you're trying to like there's a way that you like to do it, but then, but what you do is you trick yourself to think like, oh, I'll burn this potential client or I'll burn this potential sales opportunity, I'll burn it. And then it becomes like you're not so invested in it, so you gamify it.
Speaker 2:I think gamification is like such a key thing in how we're built and how in our DNA. Like if it's the drinking thing, like what I did when I was bodybuilding and drinking, I would tell myself like I would observe myself as I was in a social environment without drinking. I would observe myself and I would say, like what is some, what's sort of? How can you gamify this? To like assess this whole process, this whole situation, and sort of see like, oh, what would it be like if John wasn't drinking? What would he do? And then you kind of like have this observation of yourself and you do it and you're like, well, that didn't work, next time I'll try this. And you kind of like, take on this. You know scientist mentality, I guess. I mean this is just that worked for me with the drinking and when I was bodybuilding because obviously you can't be drinking because it's calories, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I remember doing that where I would sort of observe myself, but also I got a lot of validation because I was competing. I was you know what was the in prep, right, I was like competition prep. So people would be like, why aren't you drinking? And I was like, well, I'm in competition prep. And they're like, oh, wow. So I got this. Like you know this status. You know like, oh, that guy is, he's competing. Oh, wow, that guy's a gunslinger, right, and I would kind of like play with it. I would just try to gamify it. Like it's funny how the brain works, right, you have to try to get through the day and you just think of different ways to get you through the hours, and then, if it didn't work, you're like, well, that didn't work, let me try something else the next time right, 100%, and I like how you, I think I like how you put it.
Speaker 1:It's almost when you talk about observe yourself, it's almost like you're taking yourself out of it and you're just going out and kind of experiencing it, observing yourself and gaining more awareness about yourself right Through the yes, through it, right, and so, oh, this didn't work. Collecting data Right, it's getting data right and, I think, a lot of times, right when it comes to doing hard things, I think we really don't observe our thoughts, our emotions, our actions. Right, did we avoid this hard thing? Okay, well, why did we avoid it? Because we were scared, we had some type of fear. Okay, next time, let's do this. Okay, next time we do it. Okay, you did it. Was it that bad? Was it not that bad? Was it worse than what you thought it was gonna be right?
Speaker 1:So you observe it instead of just putting yourself into it, you observe yourself and you gain data, like you said, and then you grow along the way. I love that. I love that. To kind of gamelify it. No, that's perfect. Yeah, john, you talked so all through all these injuries, right? First of all, dislocating both shoulders. It seems like once you dislocate one I've seen that so many times Once you dislocate it one time, it's easier to dislocate it again. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2:Right, so easy to pop it in and again and again and then again you can just right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no matter what. I mean, you could be wrestling with your friends and you've popped it out, so, and then you had severe knee injuries and everything like that, and I think that's when you discover luma flex, right Kind of through these knee pains, that you felt right. How did that happen? How did the luma flex come about?
Speaker 2:So my knee injury was probably the worst injury that I had. That really debilitated me mentally, emotionally, because it just means you can't go into the gym and be the superstar that you think you are and get the validation Because my happy place is the gym, that's where I go to fix my problems. If the world is a mess, I can't figure things out. I go to the gym and I crush it and then I'm like, okay, you're still good. Now you know you take that confidence, that's problem solving and then you bring it back into. You know relationships work, you know business, whatever. So when you're not able to go to your happy place and work out, you're not able to like squat heavy weight, you're like, well, what do I do now? Who am I? Who is John? What's his purpose? That really mentally like crushed me with.
Speaker 2:That was the toughest, the toughest injury and I would be sitting in a position like just on a, on a seat or inside a, you know an uber or on a plane, and I couldn't sit down for extended period of time because my pain, it would the knee would flare up, it would get really painful and I would have to extend my knee, I would have a deep heat cream or like some sort of heat rub oil and I would lubricate the, you know, the knee joint, you know, do some stretching and try to get the pain away. But I had to do this like almost every 15 minutes if I was sitting down. But my wife, who's Chinese, like, like like we were talking about she was she introduced me to To read like therapy, and the device was this lamp. It was like a lamp that you would have by your bed, except like a very tall one, and it was really cumbersome, it was heavy, it was really hard to use, like you'd have to sort of we go it around, because it had a very large weighted base and the bulb of the lamp, the light bulb, it was red but it would get extremely hot because it was this old technology. It was a very Old device used.
Speaker 2:That, I think, was, I don't know, probably for some you know old hospital or something. That's probably where they started using it. But I'm she. She was saying you have to do 20 minutes every night before bed and I thought it was you know some Feng Shui medicine and that you know I had to use to. I just said, okay, I'll do it because you know, to make you happy.
Speaker 2:So I would extend my leg and I would put the, the ball on, you know, right, you know facing the knee, and I would get extremely hot, and I would, you know, put my knee up close to the, to the ball, to get the treatment. And which I thought was the heat. I was like, oh, it's heat. Like Asians are all about heat therapy, right, though, the harder you get it, the more blood circulation, blood is healing, right. But then I'd have to move the knee away from it because it would get too hot. So I'd like play this game every night, but after a week I didn't have that pain sitting down, I could sit in a position with my knee bent and it wouldn't hurt. And After two weeks I stopped using the lamp. We did like gave it to her grandparents. So that kind of got me interested as to what it was. But most importantly was the device, because it was so difficult to use.
Speaker 2:I wanted to create a device that was more suited to me.
Speaker 2:You know, someone who's active, who's in the gym all the time, just moving around along, was something that was a little bit more portable.
Speaker 2:I wanted something portable that you would have in your gym bag along with your, you know, your weight belts and your, you know, your wrist wraps and everything. So I, that was sort of the idea, and Thus was born the Lumaflex, which is right now considered the world's number one portable red light therapy panel, and it's designed specifically for, you know, the active audience for pro athletes, to you know You're 18 year old, who wants to make the team, and then, like even up to you know, a 78 year old, you know lady, who wants to still hit golf balls on the range, right. So there's kind of, in short, how it all developed was just looking at my own personal need, my own personal pain store, what you know, this device worked for me. This, this therapy, work for me. But I needed a device more suited to me. And but yeah, in the world there's not many portable devices, if any, and None are really suited for someone who's who's active, who's who's an athlete.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen it right and you know, honestly, it's, it's amazing right Time in 2023. This is just last year. Time magazine voted it, you know, the best invention in 2023 and wellness, right, and what is done is, like you said, the folks who are active, they get a chance to to have some type of healing and recovery, which is it's just needed right for all folks. Right, and I've seen red like therapy right, especially kind of in the skin care industry. Right, anti-aging, Right, a little bit that I know a little bit about red like therapy. But why? Why is red light in there, red light therapy so important for for all folks, right, the 18 year old kid, maybe, the, the woman at 65 that's looking to stay in shape? Why is is is red like therapy so important for everybody?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean anyone and everyone should use red light there be. Think of, think of light, right, like light from the Sun. Right, red if red is from the Sun. So everyone needs clean water every day. Everyone needs healthy food, deep sleep, regular exercise.
Speaker 2:We need these as human beings, and light is that other component that we need on a daily basis. You know the, the top bio hackers and, and you know fitness coaches and optimizers, these big you know, and these scientists, they're also telling us to go outside and get light, to get our sunlight right, because that's that's in our biology we need. We need light in order to be as human beings. We were, we are creatures of light. We were born under the light. Back in cave mandays we would wake up at sunrise and go to sleep at sunset, and sunrise and sunset, that's the optimal time To get ready to red light. It's from the Sun, but later in the day other rays of light which are more more intense, they come, come through.
Speaker 2:But to have a red light therapy in your daily practice, regardless of if you're painful, is something that is, you know, cannot be stressed enough. I mean, that's that is sort of the I believe in the future. Five, five years, you know, from now, everyone will be on red light therapy, everyone will be using it. You know, also, of course, for pain management, for pain relief. But I'm most importantly just to, because you need it every day, just like you need, you know, your water, clean water, your healthy food, regular exercise in your deep sleep.
Speaker 1:It's something that you need every single day, 100%, and obviously I've seen infrared sauna's different things like that, you're right, is growing and it's coming. It's places that are specifically built just for infrared saunas and cold plants.
Speaker 2:Different things like that for recovery.
Speaker 1:It's huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's from so the so where red and infrared light comes from? Obviously the sun. So the light is at the right wavelength to penetrate your skin and activate the mitochondria. We, as humans, were made up of cells. We have billions of cells and inside the cell is our mitochondria mitochondria. Think of it as the engine of the cell. It's the powerhouse of the cell. So the light is giving energy to the engine of the cell. So if you're able to do that, the cell is, it can do its job, it can do what it's supposed to do, and that's when you know, you see.
Speaker 2:So three mechanisms that occur from this is enhanced blood circulation, anti inflammation and increase ATP, increase energy. So this is where you get, you know, like you said, the beauty space with collagen being you naturally produces collagen in your skin. So that's the beauty, the anti-aging space. It grows your hair, helps, you know, people that are going a bit bald. That's, you know, that's the devices that you see where you put on your head and helps grow your hair. It really grows your testosterone. It boosts your body's natural SPF levels as well.
Speaker 2:So, like Moe, if you ever talked to bio hackers, that are all I mean, they've been on red light for for decade, a long time. They never, they never wear sunglasses and they never use sunblock Because the light is something that they, that they appreciate. They know the value of getting your light vitamins on a daily basis. So some block, I mean, if you are exposed to red light Throughout the day, your body will naturally produce, you know, get very It'll, it'll get stronger against those.
Speaker 2:You know the Sun especially for me, you know, coming from Australia, the Sun's extremely strong. You know my parents would always tell me to put on sunblock. You know slips lots lap. It was a slip slot slap was this campaign Australia had where it was trying to increase. You know every awareness of skin cancer but, um, there was never a discussion about red light. No one at no there. You know everyone was just buying some block. But most bio hackers will tell you like it's the the biggest con in the world is, is, is, is sunblock, right? So yeah, obviously, everyone. Do your own research. I don't go out into the Sun and lay there for an hour, you know just. You know exposing yourself to you know, you know those the middle of the day, when it's very, very strong, but definitely getting red light will boost your body's SPF levels, so you know your skin doesn't get damaged.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of us and I and honestly, the light right talk about Sun. It makes you happier, right, releases happy chemicals in your brain. Is the reason why you know me being here in the Midwest Winter months. It's a different city. And then we had summer approaches here in Chicago, right, everybody's smiling, everybody's happy. It's a different city, right, and it's a lot more light, and it definitely has something to do with our emotions and the energy levels, right, and so no, I agree, sun. Sun is key, red light is key and and I've gotten into it recently right, the red light train.
Speaker 1:I am when I read I am on the red light train, like to talk about with college and I'm trying to grow a beer here. It's, it's, you know, hey, it's coming slowly right. But also, too, when it comes to recovery, sitting in the infrared sauna, it's just a different vibe. I also had, you know, my knee was bothering me at the top of last year. I had some neat issues. Why couldn't quite squat the way I wanted to and really work out the way I wanted to, and so Red light has helped out a ton. So I can speak on my behalf of how amazing it is when it comes to recovery, when it comes to, like you said, blood circulation, energy levels, it's just a different, it's a unique experience that I think everybody should at least Look to understand and look to, at least experience it, you know, because I think it's natural. When one of the main things is that it's natural, that's right. You can't overdose on it.
Speaker 2:I mean anyone, anyone looking for recovery at first thing you should look at is is light therapy? Is getting your bread in infrared light? It's the ultimate recovery. It's the new ice pack. The new ice pack? The limo flex I can sit me, consider it. The new ice pack, right, it's attacking the issue on a cellular level, whatever the injury is, whatever the inflammation is, you know, if you're trying to recover from an injury, you, you know, even if you have like post muscle soreness, delayed onset muscle soreness, you know you and you want to be able to recover quickly to be able to train again. It's, it's a very easy solution that you can't overdose, it's natural, it's non-abasive. I mean I'm.
Speaker 2:I see the traction in the. You know, in the sport world of everybody using it. People are endorsing it, right and left. You know, especially the, the top tier athletes. You know the real pro, pro pros. You know the Tiger Woods, you know the. They are all, are all on it and they've been on it for a long time. But it's nice to see like other people starting to use it now. It's in gyms, it's in wellness centers, seeing clinics, it's. It's great, right, I mean, we're gonna look at it. It's gonna only get more and more famous, yeah 100%.
Speaker 1:Where can folks so where can? First yeah, we're can folks find Luma flex and learn more about real-life therapy from from your perspective? And then where can folks continue to follow your journey? You know, learn more about you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my, my journey, my hero's journey. Yeah, I'm not there. I'm not there, brother, but yeah, hit me up on John Graham fitness on Instagram. I'm active there a lot because I speak to a lot of our athletes and a lot of our influencers. They usually like to use that medium for communication, so I'm very active there.
Speaker 2:And Luma flex comm Luma meaning light, flex Meaning flexible, because the panel that I designed is a silicone panel. So silicone making meaning it's very, very durable. You can clean it, you know it's not gonna break, it can mold to different. You know joints and muscles so you can shape it around your. You know your elbow, your, your knee, your shoulder. And this one, the body pro so fully, fully portable, fully durable, flexible. And this one is, in particular, is waterproof. So I have another device exactly the same. It's just not waterproof, but the, the body pro is, is a fully waterproof. You can submerge it under water. It'll still work. Yeah, luma flex comm all the details are there.
Speaker 2:Reach out to me any and all. I mean I. I answer Loads of questions every day and usually it's about red light therapy and I refer to clinical research. This is an FDA class 2 device, so a lot of people ask me about, like you know what's the science behind red light therapy, for which there are a lot of clinical research done, you know, showing the benefits and sort of endorsing it. Obviously you know getting FDA cleared Is. It is very, very important for all, for not just my product, for all products doing during red light therapy. You need to have that FDA clearance. But yeah, hit me up anytime. I love, I love to chat.
Speaker 1:Well, I love it and, man, I love what you're doing in the space when it comes to. For me, when it comes to alleviating pain right, I think, in all spaces in life, I believe that's that's my purpose in life is to help folks alleviate pain when there's, you know, psychological, emotional, whatever the case may be, and and how to kind of deal with the pain. But for you to be doing this Physically, mentally, emotionally right, like you said, it makes people To be able to introduce something like this. It can alleviate a lot of stress and a lot of pain, right? So I love it, I love what you're doing and I appreciate you, uh, joining us on playing nuncher. Thank you so much, really appreciate it 100%.