Playing Injured
Playing Injured reminds us that life challenges us all—athletes aren’t the only ones who play hurt. Whether it’s setbacks or unexpected curveballs, our response defines who we are and how we grow. This podcast explores the universal journey of resilience and perseverance, inspiring listeners to face adversity head-on.
Ranked in the top 2.5% of podcasts globally, hosts Josh Dillingham and Mason Eddy—entrepreneurs and former collegiate athletes—deliver over 100 episodes featuring diverse voices. They explore mindsets, uncover strategies, and motivate listeners to thrive and play through anything.
Playing Injured
A Path to Self-Acceptance and Personal Growth with Patrick Sperry (EP 123)
What happens when you trade a promising soccer career for a journey in wellness and creativity? Meet Patrick Sperry, the inspiring founder of Be Flourish, who shares his extraordinary path from Hinsdale, Illinois, to becoming a leading wellness coach, men's work facilitator, and yoga teacher in San Diego. Patrick's story is a testament to the power of following one's true calling, even when it means facing societal and personal challenges. His adventures through China, India, Nepal, and Thailand illuminated the profound concept of flourishing, which he now brings to life through his company, Flourish, orchestrating immersive wellness events that help others achieve this state of being.
In a candid conversation, Patrick opens up about the internal battles he faced while shifting from a high-level soccer player to pursuing his passion for music. The emotional struggle between ego and authenticity, and the societal pressures to conform to a conventional path, are themes many will find relatable. Patrick's journey underscores the importance of living true to one's values, embracing uncertainty, and the courage it takes to make life-changing decisions. This segment offers invaluable insights for anyone standing at a crossroads in life, struggling between societal expectations and personal fulfillment.
Discover how yoga and meditation became transformative tools in Patrick's life, opening his creative channels and leading to the birth of Flourish. Patrick shares how these practices enhanced his music writing and fostered self-acceptance, allowing him to integrate his love for music and travel into wellness retreats and community-building activities. The discussion touches on the principle of Karma Yoga from the Bhagavad Gita, emphasizing the importance of doing the work without attachment to outcomes. As we wrap up, we celebrate the benefits of yoga for physical well-being as we age, leaving you inspired to incorporate these practices into your life. Join us for a heartwarming and enlightening episode with Patrick Sperry.
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Welcome to another episode of Playing Injured. I'm pretty excited for this episode. We have Patrick Sperry, who is the founder of Be Flourish, professional wellness coach, men's work facilitator, yoga teacher. You do a lot of amazing work, so I appreciate you being on the show and taking the time to podcast with us today.
Speaker 2:It's my joy to be here, Josh. Thank you for including me in your world of insight and positivity.
Speaker 1:It's a pleasure. I love it. So I always love starting a show. I like kind of setting the stage of like who is Patrick and how does he spend his time today? What does that look like?
Speaker 2:Josh, I love what Jim Carrey says. He says Jim Carrey's a really interesting character and then he says I'm lucky to have gotten the part. So in some way I feel the same. I've been blessed with a unique journey through life and I feel fortunate to be playing this role of Pat. It certainly keeps me entertained and it's always interesting. Even boredom has become interesting when you look at it from the right perspective.
Speaker 2:Yeah, long story short. I grew up in Hinsdale and I know that you're in Chicago. I'm currently in San Diego. My journey took me to the West Coast, but I got a lot of love for that city and we're actually heading back, me and my partner, catalina de Leon, with my company Flourish, to host our first day of wellness in Chicago September 28th. It's actually going to be in Hinsdale where I had my 13th birthday party, which is pretty funny, wow. And if those walls could talk, I say. And that's exciting. So this kind of return full circle back to serve our community of Chicagoans with wellness. We'll do things like African dance, sound healing, yoga, cacao ceremony, laughter practice, we'll have a storyteller, live music. So we create these kind of immersive days of festival and celebration. And that's where my heart is at these days is building out, creating opportunities for individuals to connect with themselves and, from that place of centeredness, to come out and play, yeah, connect with others in a way which we're seeing deeply into ourselves and hopefully into others.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that and it sounds very much of a healing experience. Um, and then doing it in a community, right? What I want to understand from you is flourish, right. What about that resonates with you? Flourish, the word of it, right? Why did you name your company? That? The tree? What about flourish?
Speaker 2:I didn't know what flourish really was until I read the book called Flourish. I enrolled into the College of Executive Coaching after four years of travel and I was like this bearded long haired Jesus lookalike who was traveling the world seeking spiritual masters on the path of self-discovery. I lived in central China training Kung Fu on a mountaintop. I was like the Kung Fu Panda just in over my head, but ultimately I learned a lot. I was in India for 18 months, trekking through Nepal, sitting in silence in Thailand with the Buddhist forest monks, and on and on, and I got to the point where I was just saturated with experience and I had been given so much. It was clear that it was time for me to come back and share the best that I could, that which I had been given. And I'd been teaching yoga at that point for over a decade, which I loved. But I wanted another angle, like yoga. And then this coaching mechanism allowed me to work with people in a different level of their life, like that personal accomplishment oriented, like you know, fulfill your potential as a human, and the yogis like fulfill your potential as a soul. So that's a cool, uh way to support an individual. But in that course of studying how to be a great coach, I got the book Flourish by a very famous positive psychologist named Martin Seligman and when I read the book I felt like, well, I am, and humbly say, because it's not always like this, but at times like say, because it's not always like this, but at times I know what it feels like to be flourishing. There's five pillars Positive emotions that you experience more often than less. A sense of engagement, which is like getting lost in what you love. Flow state Relationships that matter. Meaning, which means you're part of something bigger than yourself.
Speaker 2:Being an athlete for an institution means that for me, the University of Michigan was more than Pat Sperry as an individual when I put on that jersey. And we get that through religion. We get that through community, through family. And finally, accomplishment. When you accomplish in life, you feel a sense of fulfillment, and all of that together amounts to human flourishing. I said not only do I know what that feels like, but through all of my learnings, I know how to create a scenario to bring people through an experience that would hopefully amount to the experience of flourishing, and that happens at our event, to the experience of flourishing. And that happens at our event. It's amazing to witness people go through these intensives, these immersions, and come out just fully open, fully available for all that life has to offer and then to step into that. It's a fantastic honor to witness. So I got the download of what it was to flourish and I got lucky and we trademarked that and now we've got our flourish enterprise happening, which is a lot of fun for me and a lot of work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but it's work that is energizing, right. It sounds like you know what folks don't realize. When you do download some information for yourself, it helps you kind of break some barriers and then you give it to others, right, it's a very energizing feeling to give that download to somebody else, and so the work is work for sure, but it's energizing.
Speaker 2:Right, but it's energizing, right. You're doing the same thing, you know. You're creating a container to spread a message of possibility for people who are ready to hear it. This is a place of healing that we essentially realize we're not alone in this journey of life and we all go through similar stuff.
Speaker 1:That's the power of community yeah, yeah, 100%, and I want to hear a little bit more about your journey. But first, you know you talk about flourishing being an inside job. I was, you know. Obviously I do my research inside. It comes from within, right, for somebody who's new to your work, right, they come on and they stumble upon your website or something like that, and they were to ask you what do you mean by that? It's an inside job? How does somebody start? How does somebody understand it?
Speaker 2:It's a great question and what I think I have a talent for is getting people who have a little bit of experience to none we can call them beginners in whatever it is excited about the subject. So they say that yoga is like a 100% practical subject. You can't really talk about yoga and intellectualize what it is. You have to do it and when you do it, you start to understand through experience. So my first ever yoga practice in 2009, my friend brought over a DVD and at that point I was writing music and smoking pot and having all these experiences and doing what I could to connect to this expansive state of being, which felt creative and inspired. And after that first practice, I lied down in this ending pose called shavasana, where you just rest, and I dropped in and I touched something that was familiar, but I had never known how to access it and by doing the postures and doing the breath, it unlocked itself and I was able to experience firsthand what it felt like to come through a yoga practice and I was all in from there.
Speaker 2:So I say like flourish is really cool, because what we do, for example, in Chicago West African dance is that your practice, that practice can lead to great joy, great wisdom. It's a spiritual practice. Good, Then go and keep doing that. Or maybe you love the sound healing or the walking meditation or the yoga or the ecstatic dance and there's so many modalities, we say, there's so many rivers or ways that lead to the ocean of self-realization. It just depends how you're going to get there and, based on what your constitution is what you like, then hopefully you can come to something like Flourish. Try a bunch of different practices out and feel what resonates for you and then keep going with that.
Speaker 1:You got to try. If you don't try, you don't know, yeah, you got to get out of your comfort zone. Huh, we stay safe, and I'm a victim of that as well, of staying safe. Without recording my first podcast, where I felt extremely nervous, I wouldn't have found the that feeling of familiarity like you talked about, right, where time just seems to just evaporate. These are moments where you just can't put it into words what it is that you feel, but it usually happens on the other side of discomfort.
Speaker 2:I'm with you on that one, josh. I think it's a good insight, and along with like getting uncomfortable comes resistance, all of the reasons why you shouldn't try something new. We can make excuses for a long time, and then I think what your show and the insight of this podcast reveals is sometimes we're pushed through, we don't have a choice. Something happens outside of our control where we're forced to deal with that discomfort. There's nowhere to run. It's a new world all of a sudden, on the other side of potentially a traumatic injury or an unexpected moment which forces your growth.
Speaker 2:So for me it's like preventative medicine. If you do therapy and the first therapy session you ever have is when you're in the middle of like a life crisis, then it's just kind of like let's get you out of this. What can we do to help you come down? Compared to if you're in therapy for months and years, maybe you never reach that crisis. So, like you, just work gradually on yourself so that when life gets challenging, you have the support systems, the tools, the practices to help get you through it. We need tools and techniques to work with life, and that's what most of these spiritual practices want to share with us. How do you deal with your anxiety? In yoga you practice forward bends. How do you deal with your depression? You open your chest and backbends. There's different poses that have different stimuli. If you know how to use them and apply them to the moments of your life, then you're kind of like your own metaphysical physician. I love that.
Speaker 1:I love that you have a very calming presence about you, right, and so I can. I can feel that you practice what you preach. But I want to kind of take it back to that 13 year old Patrick at the happy at the birthday party in Hensdale. At the birthday party in Hensdale, what was that Patrick like? And I would love for you to kind of take me to your the journey of how you got to where you are today. Right, you've done a lot of interesting things that a lot of folks, at least that I've come across, haven't done.
Speaker 2:I think the kids call it Riz.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The Rizler, the full Rizler. You got Riz. Huh yeah, I got a lot of Riz. And I remember my third grade teacher saying you know, being charming and cute won't get you through life. I think she was wrong.
Speaker 2:But you know, I did something like different with my life, which was that I always followed kind of like the compass of my heart in these moments of big decision making where and there's no judgment I can see both sides of the coin. A lot of my friends picked up their father's work. They followed their father's footsteps to the T. They had children at the same age that their father had. The same amount of children, lived in the same town and I see those guys and they've got some stability, They've got some really deep roots with family and that's beautiful. But I've always just followed what felt like yes in my soul.
Speaker 2:So you know, I got recruited to Michigan, which is a great academic school, and of course I signed up to be a filmmaker major and I studied movie making because I love to do it. Should I have gone to business school? You know, perhaps that would have been the smart thing to do, but I couldn't do the practical thing. I only could kind of serve my passions and at the tail end of my soccer career I was poised to at least make a good run for being a pro. I had a lot of success and I left that to pursue my dream of being a songwriter in LA.
Speaker 2:I had been writing music since I was a kid and I'd always put that on the back because I had to put soccer first. And I went to LA and left the soccer thing and then music was going in a good direction and I fell in love with yoga and while music kind of held on for a while, I turned my attention because it just felt like, okay, well, now this is so. This ability to reinvent my life and kind of honor, that deeper calling has led me to an unexpected place, right here and now, where I'm this kind of long haired, you know, magician, and it's a. It's an unexpected journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And so going back, so being a soccer player right, and you talked about it earlier it's like having this meaning and especially being a very great soccer player and having the ability to be a professional. What was that feeling like? Of like, okay, this is my meaning, this is kind of my identity, how people view me to just going into music, right, was that a hard transition? Was it easy? What was that transition like? Did people question you? Like, hey, yeah, I'm going to LA to be a musician?
Speaker 1:Like following, because following decisions and not following the crowd, especially the folks in your environment. You can look crazy, you can get made fun of, you can be misunderstood. Making choices for your life that you feel like aligns with the values that you want to live by, aligns with the values that you want to live by, right, uh, and so I'm just thinking like, okay, I am, uh, you know, high-class soccer player. My, my journey is ending, I can go be a professional, which is the dream Probably you grew up. That was the dream versus uh, no, I think I'm going to go in this direction.
Speaker 2:I feel understood. Josh, just explore the idea. It's healing because again we understand each other and we all go through similar stuff. I'm sure you had a moment of reckoning or catharsis when you kind of hung the boots up for the last time, so to say, and this really important part of your identity and who you were up until that point. But for me it was really always my father's dream and others for me to continue in that direction and it was not logical. Why? How can you even begin to understand that a kid with all of this potential and a future that could be what you had dreamed of for him, how could you give that up? So it was very, it was almost traumatic.
Speaker 2:I remember giving a speech because I was a redshirt freshman. I started my redshirt freshman year, played then sophomore junior, had a bunch of records at Michigan, and then I had a fourth year, my fifth year as a redshirt senior, to come back. And then I had a fourth year, my fifth year as a red shirt senior, to come back, and I left before that fourth year instead of icing all the records and, you know, kind of being this legendary player, because my class we had a recruiting class of 12 guys. They were all leaving. It was a big rebuilding year and I was just ready to follow my dream. And if you listen to Pat Sperry on YouTube and see the music videos and the records I made, you would get it. It's good music, it's hot, it's meaningful, and I knew that I had this gift that had to come out.
Speaker 2:But I couldn't get a word out on that podium when I was announcing to the staff team and my whole Michigan family that I wasn't coming back. I was just and I had to step down. It was like, and my father was crying and he was heartbroken for weeks. He couldn't really, like you know, speak about it. So it was really going against the grain.
Speaker 2:But had I not done that I mean the experiences I've had I don't know what my life would have looked like and you can never know If I could live two parallel lives, I could have said, well, I regret not doing that because I would have been here and now I'm here, but that's not the way that life works. Yeah, glad that I took that leap of faith, even though it brought a lot of uncertainty and it was risky. There's been a pretty amazing reward from that and I did follow what was true for me. I don't feel like I was avoiding, you know, that next level of greatness. I wasn't scared to succeed. I just couldn't deny that inner voice which said, brother, go and make your life a creative endeavor, yeah, disappointing people that you love.
Speaker 2:And not knowing if it was going was gonna pan out like you know letting this thing go in order to try something you know outlandish and I think ultimately people respect the path that I've taken. Those who have watched my life um, I know my father's friends at one point when I was traveling the world with a backpack and a beard, said he's the one that figured this out. It's like man. Some folks would love to have that life and at times I would love to have their life, but for me it's all grist for the mill of awakening and we use our lives to hopefully connect with that deepest sense of who we are.
Speaker 1:Connect with that deepest sense of who we are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know we, before we hit record, we talk about how you do a lot of work with men and the thing, the word that kept I didn't say the word, cause I wanted to wait until we hit record and started to show is ego, right, ego, the and the reason why I'm bringing this up, especially with your story right is like the ego of hey, I am a Division I athlete, I'm at a Big Ten school, I'm at a great one of the top universities in the nation From the outside right.
Speaker 1:A lot of these things can feed my ego and how I'm perceived to others, and I think a lot of men struggle with this. Am I following a path to make others happy to look good, to seem like I'm living an amazing life or a stable life, or am I going to follow myself, my higher calling that might disappoint people in my life, um, or, uh, make me look uh, like I'm taking steps back in their eyes, right, um, I think it's a it's it's a battle that a lot of men face right, and for you to be able to have the strength to to do that at a young age is very commendable.
Speaker 2:Well, I appreciate that reflection, Josh, and you're talking to a guy who had, and still has, a huge ego. I'm not an enlightened soul and at the tail end of my Michigan career I was fist fighting my teammates and, you know, having a terrible time with my coaches because my personality and my ego was so out of control. And I found this way to work with that which for me was yoga and meditation where gradually, as I started to like confront these parts of my personality which were dysfunctional and causing me a lot of trouble internally and in my relationships, to kind of see those and to slowly decompress from that level of intensity which was me trying to be the best. You know, and that metric of perfectionism and being the best is a sure way to burn out and unfulfillment, because it's an impossible thing. You can be great, but also like a man. So what's the responsibility of the king? And in men's work we learn about the Jungian archetypes of the king, the warrior, the magician and the lover, and they can all be expressed in a positive way or a destructive way, and one of the responsibilities of the positive king is to bless others and people come to the king to be seen and he bestows titles or lands or riches or opportunities or whatever onto his people.
Speaker 2:And I was a tyrant. You know, that's like the boyhood psychology the high chair tyrant. If you don't feed me exactly when I want to, I'm going to throw the food on the floor and make a big fuss. And I wasn't able to celebrate other men because I had to be better than them. So even if they were better or great, I would have to put them down. So I would feel, you know, validated, and that wasn't fun, it wasn't a good way to go through life.
Speaker 2:So since then, and with like some understanding about these male archetypes, my work is to practice blessing other men, and I think you do that. I mean, you've already done that with me by just recognizing my life and affirming you know some of the decisions that I've made. And we say that if you don't bless other men regularly, then you probably weren't blessed enough as a young man. So that's what's playing out Like. I make that a practice, like when I see a man who's doing something great, especially a younger man, I praise him. Yeah, let him know that I see you and you're doing well and, like you know, keep it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's huge. Actually, it's when you, when you validate other men and you help build up other men, you can't help but feel amazing yourself, as opposed to, like you said before, trying to put down other men and trying to feel like you're the best versus you know helping build folks up. Uh, like you're the best, versus you know helping build folks up. Um, you know, I always tell folks like you know. You go into a room and if you could compliment a few people specifically like men, and you can validate them and make them feel good, you'll settle into that environment a lot faster, Um, and, and you'll feel a lot more confident in that space because you gave it out Right and now you've developed, you know, uh, uh, you know small friendships around along the way, where people won't forget that and they really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Um, you really wonder what my experience at Michigan would have been like had I really embodied like the potential leader that I was because I was a great leader and when I was doing well and lifting others up, which I could, there would be this energy of it's possible but equally so I could cut someone down to the point where they just didn't want to be there anymore. And this whole world of forgiving ourselves and letting go. I don't hold that against myself. I had to go through that phase in order to I mean, that's playing injured my friend. Yeah, that's what I was thinking about before coming to this podcast, because I did get injured pretty seriously in yoga, because I was competing with myself in yoga. Because I was competing with myself and there was a guy who was my age across the room who was also pretty talented, and I was doing, I wanted to be better than him, and this was after years of yoga. So the yoga master which I study under he's no longer in his body, but he said don't compare yourself to others and don't compete with yourself.
Speaker 2:And I didn't really embody that teaching even five years ago when this injury happened. And still, you know, I'm learning how to really be responsible with my life and listen to my body, which at that time was giving me feedback. It said don't go any further, your knees not limber enough to fit into that shape. But I forced it and tore my knee in three places and since then my yoga practice has transformed a lot. Maybe I've taken some steps back in what I'm capable of, but I can tell you for sure my character has been sculpted by that in ways which it it needed. I needed to slow down and deal with this once and for all, this forcing, this pushing, this striving energy, which didn't serve my body at that point and hasn't served my life, as I've been always, you know, pushing for better, more, missing the moment where you can just appreciate what you do have and be content with the many gifts that have already been given. So that's, that's a lot.
Speaker 1:I think I went on like a no, we went through a lot. I hope folks can follow, but it's a lot of amazing stuff in there, and so you followed a music journey, right. And how do you get into yoga, you, you, I I think you kind of mentioned it a little bit Right when you kind of got introduced to yoga by a friend and from there is where you found that energy, that familiar energy, kind of like your purpose per se, right, and you went through all these pivots in life. How did that kind of shape the person you are today? Right, the yoga, the pivots that you made in life. What do you feel like when these downloads that you are feel like you're giving to, um, the folks that you come in contact with now, right, what exactly if you had to? You know, I know that's a loaded question because it could be a lot, but what do you feel like? That is that God's gift to you are your talents.
Speaker 2:Your gift back to God is using them. So for me and it's interesting there was this intersection right in the middle here, where I was in Hollywood writing music, doing that whole dance, and when I came upon yoga, like immediately I started writing the best music of my life. Like my creative channel opened and yoga helps you to access your inner energies and it kind of keeps your mind quiet, so like what wants to come through comes through unimpeded and I was like great Yoga is helping me, you know, in music. So I'll just keep doing yoga. But if you keep practicing something like yoga or meditation, it starts to change your perspective and the way that you see the world. Like that's the evolution. It's not just that you become more flexible in your body but in your mind. You become more flexible in your body but in your mind and the same thing all of a sudden is experienced in a new way.
Speaker 2:And for me, yoga has allowed me to basically do what I said I couldn't do before. Gradually, not to compare myself to others or to compete against myself. Up against this standard of needing to be the best, I can start to accept who I am, yeah and uh. Let go some of that resistance, because when you're trying to be the best, it's really hard to persevere or to even want to start because it's hard to achieve that outcome. Okay, this is who I am. I honor my gifts. I'm worthy of love and of being seen and sharing and seeing others. So I've created a business where I get to share my gifts.
Speaker 2:We're making feature-length documentary films at Flourish through some of our retreats which have been amazing, and there's my film degree coming into play.
Speaker 2:I write theme songs for all of our events which we sing together as a group across the days on this journey. So music is still a big part of my life, but now it's just not with the intention to be a famous rock star, but just to share my voice and to bring other people into that exalted moment of making music together. And I love traveling. And my business now brings me back to India, but with 22 folks who I can show all of the amazing places that I was able to experience. I can show all of the amazing places that I was able to experience. So it's come kind of like into this complete thing and that's quite fulfilling for me. I'm very happy and again, it's work at times and I'm trying to scale and grow, flourish and reach more people, because I think what we have to offer is a really valuable commodity which is community and self-care, but it's purposeful, so again, it doesn't feel so much like work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100 percent. And what you talked about there is, you know, acceptance, right, acceptance of who you are, of where you are, uh, of who you are of where you are, um, and not looking to have you know that striving energy, like you said, of you know, if I get there, then I'll feel good, if I have this, then I'll feel good. Um, you know, everything you want you already have Right and it's all about, like you said, um, accepting it right and not josh, I want to just plant this one seed.
Speaker 2:There's a perspective from uh, the bhagavad gita, it's the song of god, it's called karma yoga and the main teaching is that do your work like, be in action, show up and surrender your attachment to the outcome. Yeah, control that. So for me that's the big shift, is like doing the thing in order to get you know the accolade, the fame, the success, the girls, the money, and then just doing the thing and letting go because you can't control the outcome, but do it well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and keep doing it, keep showing up, and that just relieves you of the burden of having heavy expectations laid on all of the things that you do in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Detach, detachment, detachment. Baby yeah, it's amazing. Well, patrick, I appreciate you being on the show and I want to thank you again. You show so much grace. Uh, with the technical issues that we had before the show, um and uh, it was just a lot of patience and and one thing I'm learning from you just in our conversation is to slow down to, to appreciate to be present and you know, I appreciate you being on the show and and sharing with us today. Where can folks find you? Where can folks learn more about your journey, your projects, everything that you have going on, yeah, where can folks see more of Patrick?
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks, josh. Well, I hope to see you and I'd love to offer you a free ticket to our Flourish coming up in Chicago and we can follow up with that afterwards and I'm happy to send you an all access pass. But as far as on socials and on the web, we got two avenues. One is peaceloveflourishcom, and that's a place where you can see what Flourish is up to, where we're hosting our future retreats. We have free Zoom calls with community where we can get together, no barrier of entry, just show up and have a nice workshop twice a month. So Flourish is popping off at BeFlourish on Instagram. And then there's the patsperrylovecom. Patsperrylove on Instagram, which is my coaching, men's mentorship and yoga teaching portal. So those two things are pretty much the same but a little bit different. And if you're interested, dm me. I'm happy to have a chat with anybody who's seeking support, whether how to progress in their profession, their relationships within themselves and if you're looking for an adventure, we do that really well. Their relationships within themselves.
Speaker 1:If you're looking for an adventure, we do that really well, 100%. I love it. Well, pat, I'll make sure I put those in the footnotes, all of those links for folks to get easy access to all that stuff. But no, I definitely appreciate you being on the show.
Speaker 2:It's my pleasure and I'm witnessing a great man in front of me, so I celebrate you, josh, keep it up, and I love you. You haven't practiced yoga yet. Don't wait too long.
Speaker 1:I need to. Definitely, it's something that I definitely want to get into, want to practice. Obviously, I've done it, and I've done it for short periods of time, but I know it's something that has served me well, especially as I get a little bit older.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll keep us feeling good in our body as we get to old age.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, I love it.
Speaker 2:Thank you, brother, beautiful to meet you. Thank you.
