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Embracing the 2% Rule for Transformational Change with Kundan Kumar (EP 127)
Kudan Kumar challenges conventional leadership roles by embracing an "Anti-CEO" approach that prioritizes people over profits, emphasizing a balanced design of life through his Six Pillars framework. The episode discusses the importance of self-awareness, incremental growth through the 2% Rule, and cultivating supportive relationships to encourage personal and professional development.
• Kudan introduces himself and the Anti-CEO philosophy
• Emphasis on the importance of people in business
• Overview of Kudan's journey and experiences
• Detailed discussion of the Six Pillars of Life
• Focus on self-awareness as a foundation for growth
• Importance of the 2% Rule for habit formation
• Kudan highlights muscle memory as a method for building healthy habits
• Encouragement to evaluate social influences
• Practical strategies for individuals to design their own lives
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Welcome to another episode of Playing Injured. We have Kudan Kumar and we'll talk about this, but he is the anti-CEO content consultant and branding expert of Dramatra and he is the host of the Unbinary Life podcast. Kudan, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, Josh, and sorry for all the trouble that you are going through with our names and the new keywords. So yeah, it was really nice of you.
Speaker 1:No, you know. Hey, I got to practice and I need to be challenged. I know I always start the podcast with who you are and how you spend your time today. Um, I want to talk about something real quick. Um, you know, I looked at you on all social media channels and you have anti-ceo. Walk me through the thought process okay.
Speaker 2:So when I got into, when I started my own company, um, you know, I, I am the final decision maker. I run the company, I run the show, but still I'm a very human guy at the core. I really love when humans grow, they succeed. So somehow I felt like CEO is not the tag that I can carry. It's a huge, huge, huge responsibility. And you know there is a certain lens that you look at CEO as and I feel I'm not that competent. You know there is a certain lens that you look at CEOs and I feel I'm not that competent. So I thought of having something where I could be among the people, I could be humble towards my employees and all those things. And nothing was working, Nothing exactly was coming along. So finally I had to tell people that, hey, I'm CEO who doesn't follow the CEO rules, the CEO rulebook of business. So for me, my people are very, very, very important than over money. So you know, that's where the anti-CEO. Everybody loved it and since then I've been sticking to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just being more approachable, yes, more approachable.
Speaker 2:In fact, our policies start with people first and then we look at the money. So comes the second, not the first one. Um, we make sure that all the policies, we all, sit together. So it's more like not following the uh, the business rule book, but trying to create our own.
Speaker 1:So that's why yeah, no, I love that. I just wanted to ask about it and get an idea. Um, it sounds like, you know, because I think a lot of times our ego, um, we want the title right, we want the title, especially in the corporate world.
Speaker 1:Right, the title uh, vp, svp, you know uh, ceo, uh, president of this, and that, like the, the, the titles, um, you know, make us feel, can make us feel good, right, um, temporarily Right, but I love the fact that you have you're anti, that you want to, um, you know, kind of uh have a healthy ego about yourself and realizing like, yeah, I, you know, I am decision maker, I am the person that runs the company, but I'm no different than the rest of the team.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, and I love the word when you say ego, that, yeah, many times we all get hung up with our position. The moment you are out of job, you're not that person, so it's so important to look at us more than the positions that we hold. It's just a temporary thing, that there are certain roles that you need to play and that's all. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it so tell me this obviously I've kind of introduced you your titles and different things like that, but but who is kudan um and how does he spend his time today?
Speaker 2:so usually I I have my own startup, as I've already mentioned, so I spend like three to four hours a day onto my business. I'm trying to create a global business out of it. It's a creative agency. We do a lot of animation, video, creative works for all over the world. But on the other side, the second half of my day goes working with the business consultants, coaching, um, you know, trying to help people, creating, designing their own life, and, uh yeah, and all these knowledges I'm trying to put in a book. So that keeps me quite occupied over the day yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:So you um, it's pretty interesting. You are a creative at heart right, yes. You know you make content, you create, but also, too, you actually help people design and create a life as well. Yes, right, yeah, walk me through that. I know you have the five pillars. I've seen six pillars that you talked about recently on LinkedIn that I saw the five pillars of life. Walk me through that. And what are those pillars that people can start to design? What does that look like?
Speaker 2:Lovely, ok, so I see somebody has really done his homework, so thank you for that.
Speaker 1:That's what what we do. I didn't do homework that well in school, but yeah, so I do homework for sure yes, yeah, yeah, no, that's pretty nice to know.
Speaker 2:Uh, that, uh, at least you have done some kind of, put an effort to know, and I'm sure your audience would love all the effort that you're putting in your podcast. Now, coming to the pillar, uh, you know, for me, at core, everything is about people. So there are three P's that I usually talk about it's the people, perspective and the possibilities. So, if you are really honest to the people around you and if you're open to the perspectives around things happening, and you know there are a lot of possibilities that open up. So this is my mule mantra, my key element of how I drive life now creating. So the usually idea comes that, hey, everybody tells, hey, this is a good life, this is a bad life, but how should you reach to design a life that you want? Right? That's actually the actionability part and that's where I created six pillars. You're right. In fact it was five. Gradually I evolved into six.
Speaker 2:Is that the first one is your physical well-being, where it's the body. You know, however smart we are, intelligent we are, but the body which is carrying your brain. So that is the first one. Then the next comes is your emotions, which is the mental part. However we talk, that may be the male, female or any nationality. You know, emotions do dominate us. Then comes is the professionalism. So third one is professional, the fourth one is financial, the fifth is your relational, and then is the social. So why I point out all these things is that you know, uh, the six may sound too much to start with, but that's where, when I sit with the founders or when I sit with the business leaders, I ask them just whatever is the first two pillars that you want to work in?
Speaker 2:The problem is that when you don't know about these pillars, some of the pillars remains neglected forever in life. Okay, many a times people think that if they are professionally good, the finances will automatically happen, which might not be the case. No right, uh, yeah and uh. For example, when I quit my job, everybody was surprised and saying hey, kundan, it is so good to see that you got the financial freedom so young. And I said said, how do you know? They said that you must have earned a lot of money. I said no, I just cut my expenses. And so there are so many ways. But we never have been taught in school to think in these terms. And then the other one as in the most neglected and mostly when the technology is going up is the social and relation side. It's getting impacted so much.
Speaker 2:So I was in US for quite a while and I see that loneliness is such a big problem. However, you know fancy places you have, and, of course, the whole ecosystem is designed that you can survive and you can actually do pretty good being alone, but then, end of the day, there is a human need. So that's where when I start working with and this is for all the audience as well you may list down all the six pillars, but you can start with any one or two where you really think you are struggling. Yeah, so, for example, anybody is coming out of the college. I think working on your professional pillar is very important, right, and when I say that you can focus like 60, 70, 80 percent of your energy over there, but at least have those 20 invested in your physical well-being, emotional well-being, relational well-being, and that helps yeah, you know I, um, I really like this because it breaks down things in life.
Speaker 1:Um, yes, to make life simple, right, and you can kind of start to see what's most important and what's kind of the excess that you can kind of trim and keep your life lean and simple. Yes, so you talk about physical, emotional, financial, professional, relational and social. And the first thing that comes to my mind is I'm not sure if you read the book. It's a book Six Pillars of Self-Esteem, and one of the pillars is to live consciously how you help your self-esteem. A lot of people aren't conscious of how to live consciously.
Speaker 1:I feel like these steps help folks break down how they can be more conscious in their day to day. Right, you talk about professional. Yes, growing your professional life could help you financially, but if your spending habits are bad and you're not conscious of your spending, then your financial pillar is not great. And so we have to really break down each pillar to be able to understand, hey, what is it that I want at each pillar and how can I be more conscious of my physical, emotional, professional, financial and different pillars, right? So, yes, you mentioned to start slow. Right, focus on one to two pillars. Let's say, somebody is very new. They haven't even thought of this concept, right? Do they start with the physical Right, or do they start with what they're struggling at most? Or do they start with what they're already excelling at and kind of start there?
Speaker 2:So see the core of. First of all, thank you for talking about the book. I'll try to find some summary and read about it, because I have some dyslexic issues so I don't read much book, but it was great to know that somebody else has also written about it and the title sound fascinating. Just to in one word, if somebody approaches me and asks me when, that hey, kundan, I want to design my life is the first step of consciousness. That, hey, you are now being conscious about your life. So that's my entry point. I just, you know, tap somebody on the way and say that, do you want to about your life? So that's my entry point. I just you know, tap somebody on the way and say that do you want to design your life? No, people are like uh, you know, they have. Everybody has their own priorities. So, unless you have taken a conscious choice that I have to take control of my life I think that is the first point which you said and that was pretty brilliant, so I just wanted to emphasize on that.
Speaker 2:Coming to the point, see, it's why the biggest problem I see in individuals is that suppose today, josh for some reason becomes very famous. Okay, the problem with the surrounding is that they'll just start copying you, irrespectively knowing what kind of childhood childhood josh had, what kind of system uh, josh lives in, what kind of person he is. The problem with everybody is that we all look for a silver bullet that say, hey, you have to walk 10 000 step every day, and everybody starts doing it. You have to wake up at 5 am and everybody starts doing it. Uh, no, these things are good, but you've got to understand your system. Okay, what system you're operating in. And nobody understands you better than yourself. Yeah, if you don't understand yourself, if you don't understand yourself for any reason, uh, trust me, nobody. It's very hard for anybody to help you.
Speaker 1:Okay yes, okay, so real quick, because you make me coming to the yeah okay, go ahead. Yeah, yes, so, um, you said, first being conscious, then to being self-aware. Yes, right, okay, all right. So I just want to make sure no, you see the real part.
Speaker 2:The problem is that I'll be using a lot of keywords. The problem is, in life, everything is connected like a net. You pull one string and the rest. The tension would be on all the strings. I'm just trying to give some order to it is. Coming back to your question that, out of six pillars, if anybody has to start, the first thing is that you have to look at yourself, that what is bothering you the most. If your health is not keeping you well, it doesn't matter how smart you are in your school, you know your that pillars takes the precedence, that you got to focus on your physical well-being first, okay, okay, let's say you are everything. You are physically fit, you are a brilliant student or a brilliant professional, but for some reason you are angry for everything. You are just irritated with everything. You got to start with the emotional pillar. It doesn't matter, because that is what is shadowing you, all the good things that you are doing.
Speaker 1:So this is how, when I sit with somebody, I think it becomes very evident within an hour or two that which pillar to start with. Yeah, yeah, first of all, um, that's great, and because I one thing you mentioned about self-awareness yes, a lot of us are very influenced by everything we see, yeah, and so you mentioned, hey, people are waking up at five. I need to wake up at five, yeah, yeah, people are doing this for their workouts. I need to do this for my workouts. People eat this way. I should eat this way. People are doing this with their money. I should do this with my money, right? Instead of understanding who I am, absolutely. What can people do to really understand who they are, though? Because I feel like it's people out there. They're like man, I don't know how to really understand who I am or become more self-aware. What do you think people can do to start to become more self-aware? What do you think people can do to start to become more more self-aware? Okay?
Speaker 2:so, um, the one line answer is that you got to find some reason to spend time with yourself. Okay, yeah, it's nowadays. If you see, a lot of people are addicted, a lot of addictions are going up, or the loud music or some of the other reason. The moment you leave people 15 minutes to stay in a room without engaging in anything, can you just sit with yourself? It becomes chaotic in the head. Why? Because there's so much of noise going in. It may be about the social reasons, or it may be about your past relationship, or it could be x, it could be job, but it is so much noisy in here that doesn't ever let you sit you with yourself. So the simplest thing is that, if you can find a reason to spend time with yourself, no, I just want to let all the clutter come, but I'll sort it out. Hey, this is my problem. This is how I want to deal with it. This is what happened in my childhood. This is what is happening in my job, but can you make peace with it? That is the prime start of it. Sorry, and exercise wise.
Speaker 2:What I do is to all the coaches that I work with. I tell them can you listen to yourself when you speak, so usually people don't listen. They speak very fast or some of the other reasons, so the auditory senses are disconnected from the listening senses and you never know what kind of stupid thing you have said. Sometimes you are arrogant, can you? Can you feel yourself arrogant? Sometimes you are very happy and good going, can you? Can you hear yourself out? I think that is the start of self-awareness and and from there it just builds up trust me.
Speaker 1:Yes, um, I think that's huge, being able to spend time with yourself. And you said don't engage in anything, don't go on your phone, don't watch tv. Yes, just kind of sit in silence. And and I've definitely done that I remember listening to Deepak Chopra, okay, and he mentioned about spending time. Can you spend 30 minutes without engaging in anything, just sitting in silence?
Speaker 1:And here's why I think people struggle with. You said you got to find time to. You have to find a reason to spend time alone is it is tough because of how much is going on in your mind fears, you know past situations, future things happening and it can be tough to quiet that down. But after a long period of time or after doing it consistently, eventually your mind starts to become quiet and you do start to, like you said, hear your own voice, as opposed to hearing a bunch of voices on TV, social media, of how you should live your life and what you value. I think that's very, very huge, absolutely. So talk about this, the 2% rule, walk us through that. What, what is that? How can we make our lives?
Speaker 2:better. Oh, you're awesome. I am so happy that I'm getting to sit with you and talk to you, lovely, lovely josh. So, uh, two percent change is the small change, yeah. So what happens is when I sit with, so there is a complete excel sheet where I design things with my uh, you know, with whoever I sit with, so there is a complete excel sheet where I design things with my, you know, with whoever I sit with, whoever I consult. So on that sheet we design that. How can we just try to progress two percent every month? So let's say, if you can walk only five thousand step, can we increase every week by two percent, which is just the hundred steps, okay, and maybe by the end of the year you are already walking 7,000 steps, okay. And the changes actually start with very small, tiny changes that when you wake up, can you make up your bed, right? Can you make sure that you know you're walking two steps extra? Can you make sure that when you are saving $100, can you save $120? Okay. So these are the tiny, tiny steps changes that we do and I call it a two percent rule of life. That is first one part of it.
Speaker 2:The major part of it is in the relationship. Um, I see a lot of uh relationship where a lot of fight goes on, and I am somebody, I do not fight, I do not indulge in any kind of arguments, and usually what I've seen is in relationships is that, you know, two people in relationships are not as different as claimed to be. Oh my God, you are so different than me, and I call it. Usually that difference is hardly 2%. So let's take that example. Is that Josh is dating somebody? Okay, and pardon me because I'm talking to you as I'm taking your example Right, and you have a girlfriend or a boyfriend, whatever. So in that case, whatever you are in relationship with somebody. Now what happens is, for some reason, you get indulged into a fight. Let's say there is, you are. Okay, let me put some a little bit, let me restart this one. Okay, I'll put it on me. So let's say I am somebody you know I am 70% kind and I have a girlfriend who is 72% kind. Okay, and usually that's how people vary.
Speaker 2:What happens is I see a puppy on the road and I say, oh my god, the puppy is hurt, let me get it treated and live it back. But my girlfriend says no, no, no, how can you do that? Let's take it home because this puppy is hurt. And I say no, my father is little uh allergic to the puppy, so it doesn't make sense and we don't know what kind of puppy it is. And the my girlfriend might fight back and saying how, as in? Uh, you know unkind you are. How much uh that? So usually when people are together, it's hardly two percent people are different. Unless I am kind, I cannot attract a kind, kind, as in, you know very unkind people, exactly, okay. So whenever the group formed it's.
Speaker 2:usually people are of the similar principle, similar values, correct, but when we break off, we break off because of those 2% of difference that surfaced and suddenly the emotion banged and made it look like, oh my God, I cannot live with you. So these are the two things that I try to club together. Where I talk about 2% of life, where I talk about very small, tiny things, I try to bring peace into the world and I've seen some dramatic changes in people's life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just 2%, just 2%. Trust me, yeah, just take the next step right. Yes, yeah, yes, it's so important and this is something that I've been practicing, I would say, maybe in the last few months, because I felt like trying to make this big difference or this big jump has can feel very overwhelming, as opposed to understanding that I'm on the right path, in the right direction. Yeah, and just focusing on the daily habits yes, small daily habits that really make you successful, right, yeah, the smallest.
Speaker 2:I can give another example also. It's like you know, the, the lottery. Everybody loves to win a lottery, right, we would love if some, suddenly we get a lottery and there is, say, million dollars award money is there, we all would love it. But can you plan a life that I only want to invest, that, unless I win a lottery, I won't move my life ahead. Right, right, but we still go for that two percent of job, that twenty thousand dollar. If I get a two thousand dollar I get, I'll work for that job and I will work my way ahead. Yeah, right, so that's how I say.
Speaker 2:Is that usually, when we plan our things, we usually plan for that lottery finding a girlfriend or a job or a relation, anything. We usually plan for that lottery that maybe I might get lucky. But the moment you stop working for it like finding a job, making sure that you're saving bit by bit, creating a life where the lifestyle you can live it would be very hard because the success rate of a lottery is way less than the rest of the success rate. So I don't know, if you are one in a million, yes, you can try that. If you're not, you're somebody like me. Let's work hard and create something good for the life yeah, and people don't realize so.
Speaker 1:And these small habits, this small two percent over time, it compounds over time. Absolutely, yeah, right, exactly the same. And then, like you said you, you look up a year from now and you've changed the direction of your life, right, yeah, just by doing small progression over time, right.
Speaker 2:I am the biggest testament of it because I lived and I applied this 2% on all the six pillars and it serves me tremendously amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. Talk to me about this, though, because the small 2% and these habits, they can be tough to keep up with, right. I know for me, one thing that I've always it's always been a struggle is the stamina to keep up with these habits, Right. The waking up early yeah, I can do it for two weeks, but that third week it's kind of tough, right. Yeah, a lot of different habits that are really good for us. I know a lot of people can relate to being able to have the ability to do, you know, very healthy things and all these pillars, but over time it can be tough right, and I know for you you talk, you're big into creating systems right, a systematic way of thinking, right.
Speaker 2:Walk me through that.
Speaker 2:Okay, I just wanted life to solve me and I found this is the only way. So, yeah, I actually I belong to a very kind of economically uh how could I say a backward place, when I, when I was born, when I was growing up, and uh, even like in india, a place called biharar, we were economically very weak and I really wanted a life, not only for myself but for everybody around me. So I started observing people very closely, okay, and what I've seen that when people, as a child, you have so many of dreams, but as an adult, you just start giving up on things, thinking that, hey, uh, this is how life is. Uh, I'm trying to be practical. Um, you know, this is not something for me and I, somehow I never gave up on to that.
Speaker 2:I started traveling all across the globe. I spent quite a while in europe. I was in london, I was in us for four years, okay, and and somehow, you know, it was very I was very lucky that people used to invite me to their home for dinner. So I observe people and what I'm talking to you is the learning from all of those, all my travel, all my journey, and connecting those dots, all right. So when you talk about. You know, usually when they talk about most of the people talk about, everything is there in the head. But there is one more important information I'll tell you is that not the whole decision making happens with the head. Do you know that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, there is something called yeah, sorry, there is something called muscle memory. I believe muscle memory is much stronger than your brain. If something gets into your muscle like toothbrush, you know brushing every morning or it could be an addiction, or it could be any damn thing If it gets into your muscles, it happens automatically. What we call is a reflection action that whenever I sneeze, my hand goes up. Nobody has to teach me, nobody has to. Okay, when so I started working on my muscle memory that hey, all right, and suddenly then it and that's automatic button for me. I don't have to force myself or convince myself that I have to do it, but it became me. That's how I am now am I making sense?
Speaker 1:No, you're making total sense. And and here here's a I haven't heard muscle memory since playing basketball Right, and yes, you build skillsets where it becomes muscle memory. Right, where at first it is very tough. You, um, hey, you learn how to dribble, you learn how to shoot. Maybe you have a coach who encourages you to change the way you shoot a basketball Right, yeah, and it's very tough at first, but you have to keep practicing it and the more reps you do, it becomes muscle memory. Where you don't think about how to shoot in a game, it becomes muscle memory. And so you talk about creating habits in your life. You're focused on doing it so that you can create that muscle memory where you don't think about it. Um, yes, and we have a lot of habits like this. Now you, you probably um, unlock your phone and go to your favorite app. Your mind really didn't tell you to do that.
Speaker 2:It's just muscle, yeah yeah, yeah, so true, exactly. So this is what is happening there. A lot of things if you sit. So what I do is, before I go to bed, I sit around 15 minutes with myself. That how my day was. I reflect back yeah and I think this is the greatest tool a human can have is to reflect back. I'll tell you one interesting thing. Do you know what is the major difference between the rest of the species and human? What makes us human?
Speaker 1:uh, I would say choice, the ability.
Speaker 2:I say just two things the power of imagination and the long-term memory. The rest of the humans, the rest of the species they cannot hold the long-term memory. Even a child is very happy because they don't have a long-term memory. They are crying and then they start laughing because they cannot hold the grudges. Our life is pathetic as an adult because we hold long-term memories. The moment you start forgetting things, you are happy. Trust me, the way I use my long-term memory is that I sit in the night, I reflect back my whole day and that gives me a perspective that what did I do with you know? Was it a conscious choice or was it an unconscious choice? So there are many times when I see my screen time going four hours and up and I absolutely had no idea. That just means my muscle is getting trained for something bad, something which I don't want. So what should I do to reverse it?
Speaker 1:so these are the small, small things which I really kind of encourage people and these things do really work yeah, 100%, and and it goes back to living consciously right, yes, absolutely, but I also love the fact that you are being able to put the unconscious in your favor. Yes, right, yeah, and so that is what people should focus on is building muscle memory for things that work in your favor and try to avoid, you know, making unconscious and building muscle memory and things that don't go in your favor and try to avoid, um, you know, making unconscious and building muscle memory and things that don't go in your favor correct.
Speaker 2:So this also comes from. So you know anybody you must have. Everybody knows that 80 of us is getting controlled by unconscious behavior of us. For example, what kind of child you were. You have no control over what kind of childhood conditioning you had. Yeah, but that contributes so much about who you are today. Yeah, 100 okay.
Speaker 2:It is very important to go back there, talk to your child, you know, and say that, hey, it's okay, it's okay what happened, but now I'm grown up I can take care of you and these are the things that you can change.
Speaker 1:Your unconscious behaviors, your muscle memory yeah, very powerful, trust me yeah, and you realize, uh, you know, especially when you journal about your childhood or you start to, like you said, you start to um, reflect on your day and see, wait, why, why did I do that? What did I feel this way? Why do I do things a certain way? And you realize, like it does it, it comes from childhood, maybe it came from your parents and that's how they do things, and so you just do it just because they do it, and you can start to really change the way you do certain things and how you think. Right, to go back to one, why you have certain behaviors and where they come from. Right, and a lot of times it comes from, you know, childhood and that conditioning, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes. So, since I have given so much of time and thinking because I really get excited when I see people doing good in their life, but for, as in, let's say, our audience, this is a very good start point as to just to reflect, spend some time with yourself and then try to take one pillar at a time. I think that's a very good start tool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, one pillar at a time, and but you know how it helps me think about the pillars that you've named? Is that it? It helps organize life right? I think about hey, if you think about your, your year and the goals that you have, you can really take these pillars and break it down to really organize how you want to live your life in each pillar.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, yeah so mostly I've seen some really good books, but they are so much jargon heavy or they are so, uh, you know, technically oriented. I want to make things simpler so that, uh, technically oriented, I want to make things simpler so that, uh, after you know, I can talk to students, I can talk to children, and in my beta reading I have a student she is hardly 12 years old and she was so excited about reading the book that nobody taught me ever. And these things should be taught at the school level and these are not so complex. Once you start telling.
Speaker 1:If you can teach somebody the whole biology and physics and mathematics, I think these things could be taught yeah, 100, it can be, it can be, and, um, so I I do want to go back to what you said. You said that starting with one pillar, that is, the is that the advice that you would give folks? Start with one pillar, and what pillar? And the pillar that you said that they're struggling with?
Speaker 2:yes, yeah, because, see, I can say anything and you might take me. Say, for example, for some reason you are convinced that, hey, kundan thinks quite a good. What will happen is, blindly, you'll start following me. It won't serve you. Yeah, the problem with and this is the hero message that I want to tell to everybody through your channel is that, please, you got to be your own coach. That is the prime thing. It's okay to hire somebody for just a few months and take advice from somebody, but you got to understand yourself. You got to be your own coach and even if I say something which might sound very fancy, it's not going to work.
Speaker 2:However, you know, universal it is that everybody should wake up early in the morning. Yes, it has been proven that every but the point is, if your biology is not supporting it, you'll be struggling the whole day just to follow. So that is why, understanding and knowing your biology, because, end of the day, when you do something good, you'll feel good and that is much more permanent. Yeah, so much more permanent. Yeah, so you got, yeah, you got to ask yourself that what I'm struggling with. You got to identify. I'm glad I hope nobody struggles so nobody has to follow these things.
Speaker 2:But if you are, if you are and this is something a loop okay, you don't have to struggle as what kundan is struggling. You have to struggle based on your life. Okay, if you think it is a problem for you, it is a problem for you. Nobody else should define that. How come you? This thing is becoming a problem for you? It doesn't matter, they are not living your life, yeah, so, yeah, that's that's my uh. Advice would be that you you cannot have a pill that you just open the bottle, popped it up and just swallow it with the water and things will start working.
Speaker 1:You have to decide which pill I have to start with first yeah, 100, and I, and I love that and and you know you mentioned this because this is powerful yeah, um, a lot of times and in, we want to get validation for how we live our lives, which is why we kind of do what other people do right, opposed to quieting our mind, understanding how we want to live our life, design our own life and not worry about how other people view our life. Right, and I think that's something powerful that you just mentioned. There is, we live our life in a way of wanting validation. Yeah, and it's not a life that's true to us, right right.
Speaker 2:So everything, um, you know social validation is a beautiful thing. So now to the point. I am like everything in life is amazing. You just have to understand whether it is healthy for you or unhealthy for you, okay. So, for example, if you are trying to be in a wrong space let's say you're taking drugs, you are doing some criminal activity getting a social validation is very important, because people will discourage you from doing that, which is a good thing, yeah, okay. But the moment you're trying to do something you want to be entrepreneur, you want to sing a song, you want to do again, the same society will discourage you. At that point it is not good. So the only validation is is it making you a better person? Is the validation? If the social pressure is making you a good person, please do it. If the social validation is not making you a good person, stop taking validations I love what you say.
Speaker 1:You say everything in life is amazing. It's just dependent on is it healthy for you or not. You can use it for you, right? So is it making you better? And is it coming from the right people, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, so gradually if they are helping you, if they are serving you to be a better person, they are the right people yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that, I love that.
Speaker 2:It. People, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. I love, yeah. It's such a simple framework. It is right for the relationship. The person might be your close. It could be your sibling. It could be your parents. If they are not making you a better person, they are not the right people. No, it could be, you know. It could be your girlfriend. It could be your job. If it is not making you a better human being, that is not the right job you're into. Right. If any emotions which you are getting in your head, if that is not making you a better person, that is not the right emotion. You had got, you got. You got to kill it. That's huge.
Speaker 1:That is huge. It could be as simple yeah yeah, it is simple. Um, even when you talk about your own thoughts, right? If it's not help, if it's not serving you, it's not. Yeah, not yours, it's not right absolutely so.
Speaker 2:Why I'm simplifying this is because a lot of people get messed up into learning about, you know, 10 types of emotions and the relationships, and no, you, just. You just have to talk to yourself and say is this making me a better person?
Speaker 1:done. Yeah, yeah, and you know it's a lot of times these, these thoughts can be uncomfortable, right. So people that, the people that want to, the people that are the best for you yeah, they can stretch you to where it is. It can be uncomfortable when you go back to the folks that make you comfortable and don't really look to help you and kind of give you feedback that may kind of hurt your feelings in the moment but will help you be better in the long term, right, as opposed to people who are just allowing you to stay comfortable with staying the same right, no, absolutely stunning.
Speaker 2:A very good point you have made, josh, that. Yeah, a simple doesn't mean it is going to be comfortable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and yes, it does help you. Does this help you? Yes, but it can also be hard to hear and uncomfortable, right? Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So this is the way life tests you that. Do you have that stamina to stand tall with that life? Yeah, you know, if everything comes easy to you, how will the life differentiate, whether they should support you or they should not, if you want everything easy. So this is the way life tests you, and it tests you very hard for one, one and a half year. After that, life starts rewarding you, you. So, if you have patience for those time I think because I have done mathematics and 18 months is the time, uh, which I have seen it could be two months here and there. Uh, it could be 16 for some people, it could be 20 for some people, but usually I have seen, after 18 months, if you have really life have tested you, if you really mean what you're trying to say, it starts rewarding you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I love that. So stay with it, even when it gets tough. Just get past that wall and it will become beautiful after that. Yes, yeah, 100%, I love it. Where can people follow you and hear more about your journey? I know you have, um the podcast, your company, um. You have a book that's coming out. I would love for you to kind of share that with the folks, lovely so I'm sorry, earlier I was not at all on social media.
Speaker 2:I very recently joined because, uh, my friends started pushing me that I should talk more, I should put my words out there, um, and that's where I'm on social media. So I'm not big on social media as of now, especially not much on Instagram. But, yes, all over the Google you can find me by the name unbinary life or unbinary kundan, so I'm sure I would request Josh to put my link whenever we are releasing this episode. Yeah, um, and binary is another philosophy that the. I'll work on to that and I'll explain it some other time.
Speaker 2:At the same time, I'm trying to put all my thoughts into my book so that you can get an access, and again, the hero message is about that. You got to be your own. Uh, you know, coach, you got to understand yourself and, trust me, the life opens up beautifully after that, um, you get everything out of life a good relationship, a good family, a good future, a meaningful life. So, yeah, I'm somebody who really enjoy putting people before me, so let's see. So, other than that, yeah, coming back, uh, talking about the book and about, so, by the name of unbinary kundan, you can find me all over the internet.
Speaker 1:It's like u-n-b-i-n-a-r-y k-u-n-d-a-n yeah, okay, yeah, I will make sure I put that in the footnotes. And then again, um, you know, obviously I know you got the youtube channel linkedin. I know we connected on linkedin and then you have some some great content on YouTube.
Speaker 1:So I was able to kind of check out some of your videos and look at your podcast and look at your LinkedIn, and so you have some social media stuff that I was able to take a look at and I know that will help folks out. So, kudan, you had a very unique perspective on a lot of things right, and you made it very simple, so I really appreciate you adding value and I definitely know that this episode will definitely help a lot of folks.
Speaker 2:I'm sure, and for all of you, josh, I absolutely enjoyed this episode. I would like to put my word out there, sorry For all of you, josh, I absolutely enjoyed this episode. I would like to, you know, put my word out there, sorry. So I've been doing a lot of podcasts, but I thoroughly enjoyed this one. It's not only what you asked. You were very good with the questions and your perspectives. They are so clear and I'm really hopeful that we'll get time again, that we'll connect and I would love someday I can invite, get time again, that we'll connect and I would love someday I can invite you so we'll stay connected and the kind of hard work you are putting for your audience. This is amazing, so I'm sure your audience is going to applaud that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I appreciate that. Well, everybody, I hope you enjoyed the show and we'll see you soon.
