Playing Injured
Playing Injured is the podcast for men who want to grow stronger in every area of life. Every man faces challenges, setbacks, and unseen battles, and how we respond defines the kind of men we become.
Hosted by Josh Dillingham and Mason Eddy, entrepreneurs and former collegiate athletes, Playing Injured ranks in the top 2% of podcasts globally with over 140 episodes.
Every man plays injured spiritually, mentally, emotionally, physically, and financially. Playing Injured is built on these five dimensions, exploring what it means to keep showing up and growing stronger through life’s tough seasons with raw stories, expert guests, and grounded conversations.
Josh and Mason equip men with the mindset, tools, and stories to build resilience, lead with strength, and thrive even when life feels like they’re playing injured.
Playing Injured
Perform Better Without Beating Yourself Up | Glen Lubbert (EP 146)
Want to be a guest on Playing Injured? Send Joshua Dillingham a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/playinginjured
In this episode, we dive into how small wins, clear values, and kinder self-talk build stamina for a lifetime. Today's guest is Glenn Lubert, co-founder and CEO of Stamina Lab, a health tech company helping people create lasting well-being, not through willpower, hacks, or habits, but by building on the inner resources and skills they already have. Instead of fixing what's wrong, Glenn shows us how to find capacity, collect evidence, and build real momentum, seeing life as a practice and not a performance. There's definitely some new concepts that I got out of this conversation with Glenn. And I'll definitely take some of these concepts and implement them in my own life. And I can't wait for you to listen to this show and do the same. So you being a part of this community, would love for you to share this with your inner circle folks who you feel like would benefit from listening to this episode. And for yourself, hit the follow button on any platform that you're listening to this podcast so that you don't miss out on any other shows moving forward. Hope you enjoy the show. We talk about stamina, we talk about energy, and right away, Glenn, I see you got a ton of energy. And so I I really I'm I'm very interested in hearing kind of who you are and how you spend your time today.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Well, thank you for having me, Josh. I'm really excited to be on the show. This is you know, this is something I'm really passionate about to talk about this the work we do at Stamina Lab. And really, you know, what my my journey to uh my my day of you know is is all about you know how to you know look you know how to express the the joy of of being able to have change in your life and and really understand that you already have the capacity in you and you're already on the path to the change you want to have in your life. And I keep I remind myself that every day because we all have highs and lows, and and even if you're an expert in the in it like I am, you know, it's still it's the practice. And I think that's what what we I like to think about in the way I frame it my day is around it's the practice. It's not never perfect, it's just the practice. And some days, you know, we we do better, some days we don't, some days you know, we're we're peaking for our performance, some days you know we're we're trudging through, but it it's the practice of of noticing where we are already on that uh path to change. So my my days, my days are you know, my my days are uh begin my mornings, you know, usually with you know a connection with myself, you know, how I how am I doing physically, how am I doing emotionally, what's my mindset like, you know, where am I at spiritually or with you know with my higher self, and and and then you know, and then start start the day out with some uh stretching exercises, um, or if I have a long run day for training, I'll I'll be out in the morning right away for that. But yeah, then get then getting on on with the day with that mind. It's really about that setting that mindset though for the day, I think, and then keeping reminding yourself about it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, you definitely gotta get up early out there in Austin to get that long run in, right? But you talk about what and I guess we can start here is connecting with yourself and your higher self and spending some time alone. What is that? Is that through meditation? Is that breath work? Is that prayer? What does that look like for you?
SPEAKER_01:For me, yeah, the it's a it's before I get out of bed. It is a moment before I get out of bed. You know, we get with that alarm goes off, and you know, it's like, okay, let's jump up and get out of bed. But I I don't I don't do that. You know, it's it's it's a twofold thing. It satisfies the I'm not ready to get out of bed moment, but it also is really important part of the day is is to to frame that to you know go do a body scan of my body, you know, how am I feeling physically? I'm training for a marathon right now, so my legs are always tired. So, you know, I'm just but just noticing that, just noticing it, you know, saying, okay, my legs are a little tired here, or you know, I'm a little sore over here, and just noticing that that body. And then I ask myself, where am I? Where am I at emotionally? And just checking in, checking in with yourself. It's a it's an opportunity to notice at the very least. At the best, is to recalibrate and say, Oh, I noticed that I'm feeling this way, and what do I want to feel instead? And so it's that gives that opportunity for that. And you know, what's my what's my mindset? I try to re keep my keep, I have a mindset that I try to tell myself every every day. You know, it's that athletic mindset, is that entrepreneurial mindset? You know, what does that uh mean to me? And just to reset that, even it's the same thing I say every day. It's you know, just to say, oh, wait, this is our this is what we're setting ourselves up for for the day. And then, you know, where am I at, you know, with my higher self, you know, and that's that's just you know, really talking to myself about my core values. You know, so sometimes I reach out to my mind's one of my my father passed away, or my grandmother, my grandfather passed away. You know, I like to imagine that they're up there guiding. So that just is just having a conversation with the higher self, who's the best person I want to be. I want to, you know, I I've I always viewed as that someone's uh look looking down on you. So like, okay, I gotta make sure I'm doing my best jobs uh since they're paying attention. Um so that's kind of the or just checking in with myself, like you know, how do I, you know, how do I want to be today? What am I what do I want to what do what values do I want to come show up as with for myself, for my people around me, the people I love, my colleagues. Yeah, so it could be that that spiritual self with with the people in my life, or it could just be, you know, how do I want to show up with the values that are important to me? And I think those the values or or that conversation it is that's the higher self part of it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, 100%. So it sounds like you you prime your day physically, mentally, spiritually, yeah, emotionally, priming your day. And so you are pretty much you're anchoring yourself for the day. You are more you're taking more of a proactive approach to your day as opposed to a reactive repo repro uh approach, right? You're not just jumping out of bed and whatever comes your way, you try to figure it out. It sounds like you are really priming and anchoring yourself to start the day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it doesn't have to be a long time. I don't sometimes sometimes it's sometimes it's longer because depending on my how my body feels, or I you know that type of thing. Sometimes it's longer. Sometimes I wanna, you know, if you're in an emotional storm of something in your life, or for me, if I'm in an emotional storm of something in my life, then maybe that takes a little bit longer, you know, processing something that's tougher. Or some days, you know, some days I wake up and I gotta be out the door for that long run in like two minutes. Maybe maybe it's cut real short, or or maybe I miss it a day, you know. And that's that's the thing about doing these be doing behaviors that not as habits, but as a direction you want to go, is that you you don't beat yourself up for the missing a day or not doing it the uh at the best possible every time. It's just it's the progression that you're making. And the alignment will, if I miss a day, it's okay. You know, I'll be able to align myself the next day, or I can align myself later in the later in the day as well. So that's I think that's an important part of this of the approach that we talk about at Stamina Lab and we we work with is to as is it's not about perfection, you know, it's continuing that momentum, it's all about momentum.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, uh you talk about body scanning, and I I you know I I haven't done much of that, and I haven't even heard much of that since I was an athlete, right, in college. Before certain games, I would body scan, okay, how do my legs feel today? How does my body feel? And that will kind of help me navigate my approach to the game, okay. I might have to play a little bit differently because my legs aren't there, right? Or, you know, my ankle hurts, or whatever the case may be, right? We do these body scans, and then you talk about practice, right? And I'm thinking about it. I know you were an athlete, right? Division one at uh bowling green, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, bowling green state university, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, those falcons. And you talk about practice, and you know, uh, practice was low low states to some degree, depending on where you were on the team or whatever the case may be, but you got an opportunity to try things, right? Hey, let me try something out, let me do something different, let me try to do things that I wouldn't normally do so that in the game I can have more confidence there. And you talk about how you approach every day as a practice. Yeah, you kind of take the pressure off yourself to some degree, right? And you give yourself the ability to kind of try things to get out of your comfort zone and take the pressure off. Talk about that approaching every day as a practice, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. You know what our what we have to say uh stamina lab is that you are your own lab, you are your own experiment, and you are your own best coach. And I think those three statements sum up that philosophy of practice, you know, just to experiment with things, like you said, it's about building that confidence and building that momentum that keeps you moving forward. That, oh, I do have evidence, I can look for evidence in my life that I do have the capacity to do this, that I do have the resilience to do this, and that when you when you view it as that practice, and the game is the game of life, you know. So we're we're we're performing the game, we're getting ready for the game. And yeah, I think that's really where it comes down to is you know, where you know, where can I experiment for today? What can I what can I try? And there's no failure again. There's just experiment and what can and what can I what did I notice when I did that? What can I learn from that? Yeah, and and those are the that's that that's the practice that I that I put into play.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I love that. I am my own experiment in my own in my own lab, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But it and you also talk about not getting into the habit of fixing yourself either, right? So I guess what is the the the approach to that if you are experimenting with yourself, you're looking to grow yourself, but not getting in the mindset of I ain't I need fixing, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it it's it's noticing. It's all first of all, it's the noticing, and then it's about the question you ask yourself. So when we think that we're trying to fix a problem, we go to a root cause analysis of the problem. And this is really kind of makes a lot of sense. Okay, let's figure out what the problem is, and then if it's and if it's and we can replace that with something else that might be more productive. So, an example I like to say is say, um, let's say we're trying to eat less sugar, we're all trying to eat less sugar. That's uh is ingrained in our closure. So, so you know, in between a session, we had a client come and say, Oh, you know, I had a half a pint of ice cream this week, just complete failure, and they're beating themselves up. That's the first part of doing that when you when you do that, then you do that root cause analysis. You're beating yourself up because you weren't perfect in the way you wanted to do it. Again, it's a practice. So first you're beating yourself up. So that's negative emotions create behaviors. And so if you have a negative emotion, you're not gonna it's putting up a wall for you to create the beh the behavior you want to have or the outcome you want to have. And so the normal approach would be to say, What's the what's the root causality? Why do we do this? Why did you have that half a pint of ice cream? The next time that happens, if we can identify what that trigger is, the next time that happens, let's replace it with something else. All right, seems logical, okay? But that's a whack-a-mole approach because you're like, okay, well, then there's gonna be another stressor, there's gonna be another stressor, and I gotta find a replacement for every one of those stressers, stressors. And then when I ask, why did you do that? Now I gotta go back to the whole reason why I had that half half a pint of ice cream. Now I gotta relive that painful moment that caused me that to do that half a pint of ice cream. And really it doesn't matter because what the question you want to ask yourself, and instead of trying to do that root cause analysis, the question you want to ask yourself is what kept you from eating that full pint of ice cream? What kept you from eating the full pint of ice cream? And that change that's that's a big shift there because now instead of us trying to analyze why you had that, why did you do that bad thing? Why did you do that? And let's figure that out and let's relive the problem that happened again. Now I say, Well, what kept you from eating that full pint of ice cream? Now, now you're asking yourself about the resources and the capacity that you brought to the table to prevent you from eating that full pint of ice cream. You're like, Well, I didn't eat the full pint of ice cream because you know I'm trying to cut down a sugar. I realized, you know, that I had a half point. I'm like, oh, wait a second, I want to shut this down. And so now I, you know, I say, What else? What else? What else? Now have you you've left off four, five, six things that you did that that you brought to bear in that moment to keep yourself from eating a full pint of ice cream. So now instead of beating yourself up, you come, you look at this thing, like, wait a second, I did something here. I only ate half the pint of ice cream. And now the next time some stressor happens, it doesn't matter what the stressor is. I don't need to replace that one trigger. Now any trigger that comes up, hey, wait a second, I had the resilience, I had the grit, I had the the I put the effort towards only having half a pint of ice cream. And though those things that those values and those resources that you just laid out, those are applicable to everything that's happening in your life. And so that's what we try to we highlight. We ask that question, we highlight those, those, the capacity that says that you're already on the path to eating less sugar because you were able to do that, even though you had the half a pint, you still are on that path. You and that's again that momentum that we're always trying to elicit, the momentum we're always trying to bring up with inside the person. And the person tells you what they are when we ask the question, you have to ask yourself the question. That's if you want to be your own best coach. But you know, when we work with people, that's the questions that we're asking them so that they tell us that what they what the capacity they had. They know they it's their inner resources, and it gives it it makes a much more intrinsic connection to their own capacity inside themselves.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, I I've seen people have guilt and shame and they spiral from it. Yeah. Well, you know what? I'm I'm just not good enough, so forget it. The goal of trying to avoid sugar. I'm just gonna give into it and it is what it is, right? But Glenn, what about if they do eat the full pint of ice cream?
SPEAKER_01:Then what kept you from what kept you from eating for you just keep playing the game. Yeah, what kept you from eating from what kept you from eating another pint of ice cream? Well, I you know, I didn't go into the store and then like that's uh and you can replace uh ice cream with uh wine or beer or whatever or you know, any vice you to another binge watching a TV show or anything that is that is not that you that you that you think is not helping you get to the person you want to be. And and even when you do spiral, I mean sometimes this is hard. This is why sometimes it's good to have a coach or or someone else to call, but when you are spiraling, you know, the the the you looking at and if you have a friend or someone else that you're coaching that is spiraling, you know, uh oh that's that sounds tough. You want to stop you want to get them from you want to have empathy for them, but you want to get you want that sounds tough, you know. How are you managing and coping even in the in that in spite of all that? How are you even managing? Because then that also asks the person to realize how that they do they have the capacity, they are doing something, they are adding bringing resilience to the table, you know, they're bringing grit to the table because they are managing in what some way, even with in spite of the storm that you're in. How are you even getting up in the morning? How are you even talking to me? Because that that that again shifts to just a little bit of momentum, and that's all you need is this shift to a little bit of momentum, and those little small shifts we keep adding on, we keep noticing all the small things that you are doing, and that those little shifts continue to add up, and that's where we keep the uh momentum moving. Yeah, so finding the good, finding the good even in some of the bad of hey, well, even when it's super bad, you're still there's still something that's happening here that's uh that's keeping you keeping you going, and and it's really just noticing, it's constantly noticing those those areas.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. So now I'm thinking about even when we talk about finding the good, a lot of times folks, when they do eat the half pint of ice cream, they have this negative kind of shame cycle or negative self-talk, right? And in the moment, is that pretty much how you get folks to start to have that more positive dialogue within their mind for self-talk, is finding the good and repeating that to themselves. What does that look like?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so it's again, it's one the the first step is just noticing. That when you notice that you're in that uh when you're having that self-talk thought, the note that's already you've already are you know 80% of the way there because you just notice it. Once you notice it, then then you have that space for an opportunity. And you know, uh the question I just asked is you know, what kept you from eating that full point? So that again shifts you to what you did do, what you were able to do, or how would how did you manage or cope in that situation? But there's also we have eight magic words that we like to use that really help with any time you have a fixed mindset, a fixed thing way of thinking, like, oh, I'm not good enough, I'm a failure, I always mess things up. Any of those absolutes, when you say something absolute, is that in order to have just a little bit of shift into the ability to get into a type of thinking that is uh have possibilities basically. That's what we're trying to get into some possibilities, more resourceful, right? Or yeah, refor yeah, or we have some resources, yeah. So we have eight magic words that we we like to say to say they're right now, so far, not yet, and at least so for example, when you say, Oh, I'm not I'm I'm horrible at uh cooking, uh or right now I'm not good at cooking, or at least I'm able to make this uh dish, or at least I'm able to make that, or I haven't figured out how to do that yet. And it just shit open cracks the door open for possibility that allows you your mind to be start to be creative and saying, oh wait a second, the it's the brain is gonna find find a way to solve problems. So if you just all you have to do is sh just crack the door open so there's a possibility that you're that you can solve that problem. And when you just crack that door open, uh it's it's limitless possibilities that could happen.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I uh because I think about you know, when folks are really in a negative state and they try to flip it into positive right off the bat, right? Why why do you feel like that approach doesn't work when they I mean somebody's in a negative space and then they try to flip it into a positive right away?
SPEAKER_01:Because you know you're lying to yourself, you know you're lying, you're just you're just saying that because I don't have any evidence to believe it. You're just you're just doing a statement in order to to to flip it. But if I don't believe it, then you don't believe it deep down, then you know you're just lying, lying yourself. You need evidence, you need evidence that that's what builds the confidence, and so you need evidence of it. So what we need to do is to notice, notice when we are when when we were able to do it in the past, uh or when we were able to do it even when the our problem was even a little bit less of a challenge. So yeah, we could I could be in constantly stressed, I'm constantly stressed. And then but say, Well, is there any is there a moment or time when you were even just a little bit less stressed? What did what were you doing and how were you doing it? It's the two pieces. What were you doing and how are you doing it? And that gives you the evidence that that's where you that's where you're able to say, Oh, okay, wait a second, I did do this, and that's that's what's it's much more intrinsic and more powerful because you have that evidence rather than just saying turning a negative into a positive. You know, we we we know that we you're smart enough you're bullshitting yourself. You need the evidence.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, this is my first time ever hearing this. The the not yet, hey, you know, I'm not good at this yet or right now. Uh yeah, because what it does is it's like, hey, I have the potential to grow though.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and you do. We have so much potential inside of ourselves.
SPEAKER_00:You know, just because I'm not good at this certain thing right now doesn't mean a year from now, five years from now, I can't be excellent at it with Rex.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and you don't even necessarily have to be excellent. So let's just say if you want if you're if you're and that's why we say we don't, it's not about strengths, it's about the capacity that we have, that the evidence that we already have, because the strengths got us to wherever we are, and we're whatever stuck point we have, we those strengths work really well to get us to there. What we're what we're looking at is that we could say, okay, I want to eat healthy, and that's you know one of the steps to the the outcome of the person we want to be. Um but I don't have to be a good cook to eat healthy, right? So that even in spite of being uh not a great cook, there I can still make healthy uh food. And so the strength doesn't have to be a great great cook. You can still make healthy food even if you don't have that strength.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, here's what I'm realizing talking to you. You can find strength anywhere. Any low point, you can find some type of strength. Yeah, you can find some type of possibility, strength to to flip, right? To have that behavior change that you talk about. And so many people struggle with uh change in behaviors and you mention how emotions can indicate or or they could pretty much drive behaviors, right?
SPEAKER_01:They could they could drive behaviors and they can block you from the behavior of the behavior you want to be. If it's a negative emotion, you're not gonna go there. And if if the emotions feel good, you're gonna continue to repeat them. So that's why looking for that evidence helps you build that. It's not it's not fake emotion, it's not like the rah-rah, and that you can do some of that for dopamine, and that's like a little bit of a hack, but to really get the sustainable change, the long-term change, it's beyond habits. It's it's starting with asking the question of what do you want instead of where you're at? Or or defining what would what are your best hopes for today? What are your best hopes for this week? You know, we really that's the question we ask from every at every session with with what are your best hopes for this session, Dave? What what would this session, if we got to the end of the session, what would that, how would we know that it's been useful for you? So now we have the direction that we're gonna go. And so often we don't have that direction. We we say you get we get the cab driver pulls up to the cab, uh the curb, and you get in the cab, and the cab driver says, All right, all right, Josh, uh, where do you want to go? Like, well, I don't want to go over there because I'm bad at cooking, and I don't want to go over there because that person makes me feel bad, and I don't want to go over there because I failed at that, and etc, etc., etc. And the cab driver looks around and is like, all right, Josh, but I need to know where to go. I can't pull away from the curb until you tell me where do you want to go? And so that's the that's the very first step is you know what do I want to where do I want to go? What would be my best hope for this day, my journey, this conversation, and it applies everywhere. They're just having the brain is so smart that when you if you try to say, okay, my goal is this, and you just have a goal, my goal is this, then then it's gonna say, Oh, I can't do it because of time, money, weather, equipment, family, friends, you know, all the things that are gonna are gonna block you. But if I say, Okay, this is what I what I wear where I want to go, and then I ask, I ask, what difference will that make? That's the key. I want this with my goal, but I don't know what difference is it gonna make, and what difference is that going to make? And and basically you're asking the question that's gonna get to that higher self of you that we talked about at the very beginning. It's gonna get to those those values, the key the things that are most important to you. And when you and then you we ask we paint that picture in such vivid detail. What would you notice you'd be doing? What would other people notice you be doing? What would your pet notice you be doing differently? You know, the all these questions to just paint that vivid picture because now the all those things that got into your roadblock way, they don't the our our brain is so creative. When we paint that vivid picture, it doesn't know the difference between the past, present, or the future. So when we paint that vivid picture of that future that we want to have and what everybody would notice, we'd be doing, and and when we have that, the brain says, Okay, we've already been there. I need to figure out how to get there again. So all those roadblocks that we would be putting up, the brain's the brain's like, there's many paths to that same river, and that river is the value, is the person we want to be, and there's many different paths there. So if we walk down a path and there's a big roadblock there, the brain will figure out oh, there's another path I can take to get there. So, for example, if you know my goal is to be a healthy person, then then okay, because it's raining out, it's cold out, or it's too hot out here in Austin. You know, the the the there's many different ways I could do that. Okay, well, what else could I do today? That's why when you think about that from this, is this this is our solution-focused approach, is what we talk about. It's evidence-based, it's got thousands of research studies, hundreds of meta-analysis on it. And and the reason it leads to lasting sustainable change versus just trying to do a rigid habit where you have a trigger and an anchor and and that type of thing, is that because it's so anchored in your values and the and this person that you want to be and how you define it. And when that is so deeply ingrained into you, like I said, there's many paths to the same river. So I I can get up and say, okay, well, what can I do today that makes me healthy? I can't do that one habit that I wanted to do, that one morning routine, strict morning routine. Then I felt like a failure, you know, beating myself up. When I say when I look at it as a practice and that there's many paths to the same river, now at the very least, maybe I just park further away from the grocery store and I walk, you know, I walk a little bit further. But then you start again, it's looking for evidence that I'm still on that path. It's not a I fell off the wagon and I I gotta get I gotta get back on. No, there's still something you did today that's still that if you notice it and you say it to yourself or you write it down even, you know, it's to continue to look for that evidence because that's what leads to sustainable behavior change, because it's the momentum we're constantly noticing. Oh no, wait, I'm still moving in that that direction, even in the smallest way.
SPEAKER_00:Man, you know, uh you hit you touched on it really big, is understanding you know who you want to be and what those values are for you. And I don't know if a lot of folks have sat down and kind of took the the the quiet time to to do that, to really understand what's most important to them and who they actually want to be. And then you can access what you call the higher self, right? You visualize like who you want to be, you can see okay, my higher self in it.
SPEAKER_02:And start to make it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and what difference will it make, right? And usually what it does is it evokes an emotion, yeah, a feeling that we're looking to access, right?
SPEAKER_01:And that's why we're painting that picture. We're trying to get that emotion, we're trying to make it so that way it's so vivid in your mind, you know what it feels like, smells like, tastes like, and what other people would be noticing that would be different. And sometimes these questions are hard. And we when you know you said lots of people never think about that. So when we're in these, when our when we're in a coaching session and we ask that question and someone gets says, you know what, I never thought about that. That's when we know we're making progress. Um, that's when you know you're making progress, was when you when you say, I never, I never thought about that. And that's okay. And and you know, that's something that's something that well, and between now and the next time we meet, you know, notice when things are going just a little bit better for you, or notice when you are moving in your in a way that that seems right for you. And that starts to get those are the bread clums, those are the clues to what those what that would be, what what that difference will make for you, what what your direction is going to be, what your values are. You know some sometimes there's a tendency for value creation. You go down a there's an app, you can do it, you can check off all the values. Of course I want to have all those values, they're all great values, you're right. But you know what that's that's doesn't feel authentic again. It's just like switching a negative to a positive, just picking up 10 values off of a sheet of paper. That's not really what is important to me. And values change over a lifetime. So, you know, you you know, when you're younger, maybe maybe definitely when you're younger, maybe you need you need to make a living. And you know, you that's so money is an important value, but what difference will that money make for you? You know, and that's where you start to get to that higher stuff. Well, what will that money I'll be able to uh be so secure? I'll be able to take care of my family. What difference will that that make? Well, then you know, I you know I'll have a lot of love. You usually get to love and joy and happiness, and the more you the more you have the the difference, keep asking that difference question. You usually get to those pieces, but you know, this is it's it's a journey. It's I like to do annual reviews as end of the year coming up. It's also an it's that's a good time to continue to look at your look at these values and what difference they're gonna make when you do those goals because again, it changes over a lifetime, and you're just you're trying to set the direction of the trying to make decisions easier you're trying to set set the direction of of your life and just have a little bit more just navigating this big cargo ship of a of of your of your life and think oh man i'm gonna move it over this way a little bit i'm gonna move it over this way because it doesn't change on a dime you know you gotta you know slowly move it this way and keep keep noticing that when the when the if we if it was an old ship with a wheel on it you know every time it keeps moving in this way we gotta keep you know let's keep moving it this way let's keep moving it towards the person we want to be yeah you talk about momentum too right so much so yeah and so many times where I've been consistent at something and then maybe I fall off the wagon and then I have this shame this guilt of these certain things and we talk about the emotion of it blocking you or helping you get past something and hearing you talk it so many times so many so many times where I would have been able to keep the momentum going had I just seen that oh yeah I fell off the wagon but here's some good things right and well what yeah what kept you from falling off the wagon even further or or or what am I still doing what am I still doing that's still moving me in the direction of my of the person I want to be that goal that I want to achieve so yeah okay so I'm gonna marathon training so I maybe I didn't go run today but okay well what did I do? I hydrated well you know I I I I I tried to fuel myself well so okay wait okay I'm not I'm not fully off the of the program I'm still doing other things that are still moving me in that direction just noticing those because it keeps that momentum going and it's so much easier to get back on the wagon or get up next day and and do the program.
SPEAKER_00:That's so good. That's so good. And then behavior change right is is you know understanding those values and the difference it will make yeah right with that behavior change to create long lasting success. That's so good to talk to me and and here you you are you know here you are training for a marathon right but also too I think a lot of folks need the sleep in recovery right oh yeah it's so important yeah high performers you know the importance of getting real rest real rest yeah yeah what can we do that yeah you made a really good you got a really good statement there is rest rest and recovery and so when you when you shift the outcome to rest and recovery that takes away any stress you might have from sleep.
SPEAKER_01:So the biggest sleep problem is people wake up in the middle of the night or they have trouble falling asleep at night because of of of all the things that are happening during the day then we start to it reinforces itself you know oh I can't fall asleep I can't fall asleep I need to I need to get I need to get the I need to get to sleep I need my seven eight hours whatever I'm should be doing all the shoulds um those are always the a blocker or the shoulds and or I wake up in the middle of night same thing starts ruminating about oh I gotta get this done and I'm not gonna get my seven eight hours I'm not gonna be able to do my what I need to do tomorrow I'll be tired and when you shift it from rest and recovery there's now there's many paths to that same river and it's not just sleep. So again a traditional approach would say all right if if you can't sleep you want to get out of bed because you don't want to associate not being able to sleep with being in that bed because that's a that's a cognitive association that's going to uh then continue to perpetuate yourself and that is valid and it has tons of cognitive behavior research behind it. At the same time there's another approach that I really like to utilize which is it's just it's acceptance comes from acceptance commitment therapy is to say okay well that's okay I'm it's okay I'm not getting I'm not able to sleep at least again at least one of the magic words at least at least I'm getting rest all right at least I'm getting rest and that's what this is about okay um I I'm still my body's still recovering you know I'm I'm I'm not bringing in a lot more inputs into my brain I'm let's just let's breathe you know let's just stay calm let's calm the nervous system let's what can we do to rest and you start coming up with different you know you can do all this is breathing work breath work you know there's meditation there's just laying there and that's still getting rest and once you say okay once you oftentimes when you say that's okay I'm getting it calms the nervous system down enough to be like oh and then you then you fall fall asleep because you've taken away that anxiousness that's that that angst that goes around with not getting those six or seven hours of sleep or oh you know uh I'm not gonna get the seven hours sleep that that's okay tomorrow I'll be tired and I'll get a good night's sleep. You know you're not gonna yeah you might not perform at 100% but not every day has to be at uh the the perfect 100% I read something where you're like if you're if you're if you're running at 70% and you give 70% that's 100%. So I literally love that one. So yeah so it's it's again it's like being framing it around rest and recovery and what can I do to rest and recover and not get so hung up on that seven eight hours of sleep. Man yeah just a common theme is just not beating yourself up right it's not beating yourself up and just you know so many times you know you can't go to sleep you keep tossing and turning you get more annoyed and you get more agitated right as opposed to just accepting hey well at least I'm getting rest at least I'm getting rest yeah at least I'm getting rest and what can I do to get rest how okay now okay in spite of me not thinking I was falling asleep how am I managing and able to do this what can I do to to get my my rest and recovery all right well I can I'm I'm laying in bed that's that's fantastic you know I'm not bringing any more stimulus into my brain you know just gonna breathe and I want to put my music on that's that's great too as well don't get too also people get so caught up on looking at the screens the research is was that was propagated around the the blue light on the screen there's so little blue light that comes out of our computers and our our phones that it that's not turning on any sensors in your brain it's it's really about what content that you're putting into your if you're so if you like to watch your Netflix show right before you go to bed you know watch it. If you like to enjoy reading something that's funny memes on the on your Instagram that's fine too as well. But if it's if it's agitating you and getting you upset even there's they did research even with college students who play violent video games before bed slept great didn't it didn't have any huge impact on the ability to fall asleep because for them it's just fun. It wasn't it's not like something that it for me it probably get me all anxious on it but for for them it was just something fun that was relaxing for them to decompress for the day. So even though it had the bright screen and the machine gun war it was it was a relaxing activity. So if it's a relaxing activity for you then enjoy it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah yeah and then talk to me about stress right because I do feel like yeah you talk about getting agitated or stress right yeah and I feel like a lot of folks either they have certain habits that get them more agitated or create stress or we talk about kind of all these different things about beating yourself up that can cause some stress as well but you know I've heard that stress lives in the body right and you know we can we can release it right and and how have you found folks managing stress and it is it should it be managed should it be released what what's your approach to to stress yeah so again you're getting into the cab and you say I don't want to be stressed okay great but what do you want to be instead you so describe just name what you want to be you know I want to be focused or I want to be calm or you know it could be different for different people so you have to describe what that instead is where do you want to go and now okay once we know where we want to go now there's different ways to get there.
SPEAKER_01:What can we what can what can I do? What's something I've done in the past that has helped me get to that you know some people may not want to be super calm they want to be you know locked in focused and that they're using that stress as that a way to oh okay then maybe it's maybe it's talking about knowing that stress is also a focusing tool and it's a performance tool and just remind yourself okay this helps me focus this helps me perform or I want to be calm okay and then there's what what have I I can give you prescription to say oh do this breath work do that do that da da but that might not work for you when we when we ask these questions okay what do you want instead what does that look like and then where in the in the past have you done that where that have have you been calm or if that's the destination and people come up with some of the most interesting crazy things that I would never have come up with that it was in their life and that's really what it's important is what do you what is it for you? What does it look like for you? Because when I tell you what to do what to do then you're like oh that was Glenn's idea and it didn't work for me. I don't believe it but when I when I ask you to come up with like two or three things that get you to that state of calm or performance then now you have evidence in the that you've done this in the past and that's where you lean on is the those things and you can experiment with things that other people say to try but you know it's really looking for evidence for where you've already managed got to the place you want to be whether it's you know some people like to be like jacked up and focused on their for the performance you know we know from being athletes you know you want to have a level of stress for a performance yeah uh before a game you want it you you want to feel a little bit of that. That's when you know hey I'm I'm at the top of my game today if I feel too relaxed then I'm a little nervous. Yeah yeah yeah it that's I think having a little bit of uh of stress it'll help you lock in right it'll help you prepare help you focus it's all depending on how you see it right do you see it and it's chronic if it's chronic that's where the the problem comes in because it then leads to inflammation and uh uh change but if it's you you can use it to your advantage it helps you drop lock into flow states you know the same neurochemical uh signature that you would have for getting into a flow state so you want to you you want to use it so what when in the past have I used it in a in a productive way or if that's my if I have a performance goal if my goal is where do I want the cab driver to go to take me to calm well when have I done what have I done in the past that has helped me calm maybe that's maybe I listened to some specific kind of music that I listened to when I was in high school or college that I really you know calms me then that's gonna be specific to just me and so it's asking yourself those those questions and looking for evidence of when you when you have been the destination you want to go. Yeah you earlier you talked about us being a lab or our own experiment talk to us about stamina stamina lab what made you create that the you know the name of it and and stamina I think a lot of folks they can struggle with the stamina to to keep going right yeah because you know things like life can get in the way right life challenges life struggles the ability to stay consistent at the boring things right the things that aren't exciting you know or just hey just just falling off the wagon for whatever reason right when you think about stamina what what comes to mind for you and why stamina lab how did that come together yeah so it's the it's the energy the the resilience that you want to bring to bear and and and it's and it's this we call it we say the stamina of a lifetime because you know we want to have that stamina to be able to have that energy that resilience that grit that the health for in a the an entire lifetime so that way we can do the things we want to do in in our life the stuff that that makes a difference for us and so that's what the stamina is in the lab is you know how we experiment to do that and then we are all individuals in that we're trying to experiment with how we can get stamina for a lifetime and we and we struggle I like I said the falling off the wagon is you you there's you you could have fallen what what kept you from falling further you know it's always there's always resilience that you're bringing and what we're trying to do in this lab is we're trying to notice when we are doing that and and what we did and how we did it. And it's constantly noticing because we're we're just trying to continue to look for momentum the fact that people are listening to this podcast this is this is this is this is evidence that they are already on the path to change and being the person that they want to be because they're listening to this podcast especially they listen all this way to the this part of the the episode they you know that's a huge evidence that they're on on the path to uh being the person that they they want to be so it's that constantly noticing that where you where you're bringing that resilience that stamp that energy uh the grit to to bear yeah constantly understanding the good the good that you are doing and not focusing on the bad because it's so easy for us to focus on negative it's almost you know I've heard like hey these negative thoughts negative things creep up almost automatically how weeds would grow right totally it was we're evolutionarily designed to look out for the lion to attack us so yes we have a negativity bias it's constantly going to be on doing that and we like to say that the you are the sky you are the the your values the person you are you are the sky and your your emotions your feelings these are the clouds the wind the the weather that's that's coming by sometimes it's clear skies and sometimes you'll you'll feel tired or anxious but that's that's just the weather it's gonna pass at at one point and so it's it's good to ground yourself in the fact you're the sky yeah yeah and and understanding that it's it's not gonna be perfect right yeah it's gonna be different some days and and and you you know you might not be able to control everything definitely because it could be a big storm happening right but but but at the but uh to ground yourself on the values that you are the person that you that you're still trying to be and even in spite of this thunderstorm what's evidence of that sows me that I'm still that sky look you're constantly looking for like just a little opening of where that sky is yeah yeah man this is so good this is so so many new concepts that I'm hearing right and I just want to just share that with you of how uh you know I've read a lot of books done a lot of podcasts listened to a lot of podcasts these are some new concepts that I know will definitely help me out and I know they help a lot of other folks as well of just man having grace with yourself and especially you know you know men uh former athletes a lot of our the the way we were you know loved approved of validated for was through our performance yeah and how good we did and so you automatically look at the negative and you are automatically hard on yourself for certain things and being able to have some of those phrases like hey I'm not good right now or not yet or well at least I did this right these are powerful statements that can keep the momentum going and give you confidence to keep going as opposed to the other direction that that shame cycle and uh I I just want to share how powerful it is you know some of these tools and techniques that you have it's it's really really unique. Thanks I'm glad it resonates and it it resonates with with me you know again as a former division one athlete as well to know that when I bring these types of questions to my bear to myself it really just shifts how you know training is hard when you're when you're you know an athlete is training is hard so and that's what the kind of mindset we're trying to be bring to bear to you know being an entrepreneur or or or you know the work we're work you're trying to do the the person you want to be trying to be that have that practice daily practice is that to sustain that it's you know it's hard to get up and push every day push every day when you're trying to trying to be the best so really looking at those moments are so important for this to be uh not to be a somewhat of enjoyable experience it's not just it's just not the it's just not the the the win you want you want to have the you want the process to be enjoyable too as well. Yeah and and even when you look at yourself as a lab or as an experiment you kind of take a step back from yourself to some degree and and you're able to observe yourself more right yeah that's a great point yeah to to do that because you know that gives you perspective and sometimes like when we ask these questions it's it's hard to get answer these questions to yourself and that's why we sometimes we say you know what what would what would your spouse notice what would your parents notice your loved ones your colleagues when you when you start to change pull the frame out it allows you to be a little more objective objective on uh who you want to be what you want to do or like I said even what your pet would notice about you because again it just changes that lens to pull yourself out pull it out of your own head a little bit right 100% Glenn what where can people find you learn a little bit more about your journey and then tell folks a little bit about you know what you have going on with with Stamina Lab and the work that you do. Yeah sure um you can find me on you know Twitter or uh Instagram at Glenn Lubert and you know or at staminalab.io is where our website is staminalab.io those eight magic words we talked about those you can download a whole PDF about how to utilize those better and sign up for our inside stamina lab newsletter we get pushed publish out every week all these great conversations and questions that you want to ask yourself but just constantly asking yourself these questions and practicing answer asking yourself these questions it's a it's a mindset we had one of our clients say this is like a 180 degree mindset and he he was a very successful entrepreneur and sold his company made a lot of money and but and he's like you know I felt like I've been on defense my whole life and now that I have these questions I now feel like I'm I'm on offense finally and so if you sign up you know sign up for the newsletter you get that we we we have a YouTube page that we we publish out push out videos every uh week or so that again talk about we just take the lens and we put it on different ideas. Uh we have we have a quest every month that you can sign up for like right now we're doing we just finished the self-talk mastery quest we have setting bound user in the holiday quest we're doing annual review you know resilience quests those type of things and so it's just taking the lens of the solution evidence based solution focused approach and put it on different topics so then we can start to ask these questions in different ways and then you start to like oh I started how that mindset shift yeah 100% yeah man playing on offense right yeah man it feels a lot better it feels a lot better but no I make sure I put all that information in the footnotes Glenn you know appreciate that man like I said you you added a ton of value a lot of new concepts so I appreciate you coming on the show.
SPEAKER_00:Oh thanks John for having me yeah 100% 100%
